For me Manannan might be a pre-Celtic divinity who gained popularity among the ancient Celtic tribes. Many modern pagans believe the Celtic was once a more united people in a remote past. Like the ancient Brigid, Manannan was and still is a popular god with high importance for modern pagans.
This was a well researched and informative video. How can we get more information/is there a current course or a way to discuss this further? Thank you!
Thanks Kelly, you can sign up for a free video course on the Celtic Source Facebook page: facebook.com/celticsource/ When you sign up you'll also be on the mailing list so I can let you know when the next season of online courses will run. Unfortunately I've just finished a season and won't run the next until early 2021.
The next introductory course for first time students starts at the end of June and covers the Four Branches of the Mabinogi. It's called the magic of Meaning and you can find out more here: gwilmor.com/the-magic-of-meaning-course-2020/
Your comment here is the only result that comes up when I search that name. So, please, share your source as to where you found that name, Manavionagnos?
@@thegreenmage6956 I noticed our friend has not yet responded so will offer this. I recently read a book called "In Search Of The Irish Dreamtime", mainly regarding alignments with archeological evidence for Iron Age material culture in Ireland and reference to same in The Mythological Cycle and The Ulster Cycle. I won't delve into it here save to say the author took a speculative look at the tales from the imagined viewpoint of a druid of the Iron Age, a near equivalent figure from the early medieval period, and a bard or monk of the high middle ages. He briefly reconstructed certain words, names, and phrases from these three eras, and was clear that over the course of them the Irish language evolved very quickly--- as English has over the last 1500 years. His reconstructions of Iron Age Irish resembled the form and tone of the early name our friend presented here for Manannán. We don't know much, but apparently Iron Age Irish was closer to Gaulish than some among us might have suspected. Doesn't this unknown name mentioned above ring of Gaulish? References to reconstructed Gaulish are few and far between on the internet, and are probably mostly buried in unpublished scholarly works and notes of research scarcely accessible to the general public. That you were unable to find additional reference to this particular word/name is no surprise to me.
thanks for all these videos - i shall watch them all before i very carefully re-read the Mabinogion & associated texts - do you believe there is a case for a relation between Geoffrey of Monmouth's Leir of Britain , Shakespeare's King Lear, and these Manawydan fab Llyr/Mannanan mac Lir?
Hi Hicca, you're welcome. There may well be a connection but it's difficult to say exactly what it is. I personally think Shakespeare did draw on traditional sources (although this is disputed by today) and that his representation may be an approximation of an older story. But it's impossible to prove either way. Geoffrey of Monmouth likewise provides us a similarly tantalising version of older lore. Beyond the name, there are some basic similarities in all of these sources, but we do have to squint a bit to see them.
@@CelticSource yes its frustrating to see Geoffrey still anachronistically and groundlessly derided as a 'Welsh liar and fabricator' while Shakespeare is lauded as the 'English National poet' yet both skillful interpreters of the same ancient oral tradition a few centuries apart - we no longer have GoM's 'ancient British sources' that were no doubt deliberately destroyed in the culture wars which preceeded the fabrication of the modern political state
...just to be clear..the person of bran..existed in a much earlier age than..the coming of The Christ...his life was WRITTEN about in the 7-8 C...thanks for posting
Problem is all the "pseudo-history" myths were only written down after Ireland was Christianized, and they were heavily edited. The story my grandfather used to tell about the time it snowed so much he had to carry the horse and his siblings to school up hill both ways, doesn't make him or the school not real, it reminds me he rode a horse to school, the exaggeration doesn't make him semi-divine, it just leaves leaves more of an impression. To a culture that believes you only truely die when you are forgotten. You tell stories. It is noted by St. Paul that the Celts were oddly not pagon but something else, and their hospitality and eagerness for stories were matched by none. Like Cú Chulainn and Niall Noígíallach, Manannán was likely at one point, much further back since he was already a legend by the time of Cú Chulainn, a real king of the Isle of Man. The tribe of Danu are claimed to have crossed from the Isle of Man after they followed the wisdom of a salmon up the Danube. Like the myth says the Neolithic farmers were already on Ireland, allegedly we offered to split it 50/50 then after some negotiation agreed on 75/25. We then later negotiated with sea people we named "The Greedy" for the magical knowledge of growing grain, cause hunting and gathering is sometimes hard. On the mainland at some point Celts agree not to use Germans as sacrifices, then some Gaelic fishers spot an island north of Spain.
@@rothbardfreedom I love that band. Been listening for years. The reason I searched is because my wife plays a game and she can summon Manannan. She asked me how do i say this guys name? To my surprise it was Manannan. I told her im not sure, but its a bad ass song. She looked at me funny. Absu talks alot about this stuff. So for educational reasons i wanted to know more.
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Super cool!
Great info! It was tough finding anything about this when I searched. Thanks for making this, please certainly do more videos!
hi Ninqi, you're welcome. Glad it was of some use to you.
For me Manannan might be a pre-Celtic divinity who gained popularity among the ancient Celtic tribes. Many modern pagans believe the Celtic was once a more united people in a remote past. Like the ancient Brigid, Manannan was and still is a popular god with high importance for modern pagans.
Thank you
You're welcome
So helpful to me. Thanks for this great intro to Manannan.
you're welcome
As an Irishman, I found this very interesting, your pronunciation was a joy too..
Well done
thanks!
Brilliant video
thank you, I should make another
This was a well researched and informative video. How can we get more information/is there a current course or a way to discuss this further? Thank you!
Thanks Kelly, you can sign up for a free video course on the Celtic Source Facebook page: facebook.com/celticsource/
When you sign up you'll also be on the mailing list so I can let you know when the next season of online courses will run. Unfortunately I've just finished a season and won't run the next until early 2021.
It’s so interesting to hear how you pronounce manannan here on the Isle of Man we pronounce it man-anne-inn
Thanks, Lana. Not being a native speaker I wasn't sure where to put the accent.
Here in Ireland we pronounce his name Man - ann - aun Mack Lir
Please tell me how i can sign up for online course or zoom call, or send a link. Big Thanks
The next introductory course for first time students starts at the end of June and covers the Four Branches of the Mabinogi. It's called the magic of Meaning and you can find out more here: gwilmor.com/the-magic-of-meaning-course-2020/
my last name is Lira
Apparently his name in common celtic was: Manavionagnos. And he perhaps, was the god of the underworld, oceans and the death.
Your comment here is the only result that comes up when I search that name.
So, please, share your source as to where you found that name, Manavionagnos?
@@thegreenmage6956 I noticed our friend has not yet responded so will offer this. I recently read a book called "In Search Of The Irish Dreamtime", mainly regarding alignments with archeological evidence for Iron Age material culture in Ireland and reference to same in The Mythological Cycle and The Ulster Cycle. I won't delve into it here save to say the author took a speculative look at the tales from the imagined viewpoint of a druid of the Iron Age, a near equivalent figure from the early medieval period, and a bard or monk of the high middle ages. He briefly reconstructed certain words, names, and phrases from these three eras, and was clear that over the course of them the Irish language evolved very quickly--- as English has over the last 1500 years. His reconstructions of Iron Age Irish resembled the form and tone of the early name our friend presented here for Manannán. We don't know much, but apparently Iron Age Irish was closer to Gaulish than some among us might have suspected. Doesn't this unknown name mentioned above ring of Gaulish? References to reconstructed Gaulish are few and far between on the internet, and are probably mostly buried in unpublished scholarly works and notes of research scarcely accessible to the general public. That you were unable to find additional reference to this particular word/name is no surprise to me.
thanks for all these videos - i shall watch them all before i very carefully re-read the Mabinogion & associated texts - do you believe there is a case for a relation between Geoffrey of Monmouth's Leir of Britain , Shakespeare's King Lear, and these Manawydan fab Llyr/Mannanan mac Lir?
Hi Hicca, you're welcome. There may well be a connection but it's difficult to say exactly what it is. I personally think Shakespeare did draw on traditional sources (although this is disputed by today) and that his representation may be an approximation of an older story. But it's impossible to prove either way. Geoffrey of Monmouth likewise provides us a similarly tantalising version of older lore. Beyond the name, there are some basic similarities in all of these sources, but we do have to squint a bit to see them.
@@CelticSource yes its frustrating to see Geoffrey still anachronistically and groundlessly derided as a 'Welsh liar and fabricator' while Shakespeare is lauded as the 'English National poet' yet both skillful interpreters of the same ancient oral tradition a few centuries apart - we no longer have GoM's 'ancient British sources' that were no doubt deliberately destroyed in the culture wars which preceeded the fabrication of the modern political state
Welsh triads Mana wudan at 7 minutes how do you spell that and do you have anything related to that I'm doing some really deep research
Manawydan
...just to be clear..the person of bran..existed in a much earlier age than..the coming of The Christ...his life was WRITTEN about in the 7-8 C...thanks for posting
If we could prove that beyond reasonable doubt then these things would be much easier, yes.
Problem is all the "pseudo-history" myths were only written down after Ireland was Christianized, and they were heavily edited.
The story my grandfather used to tell about the time it snowed so much he had to carry the horse and his siblings to school up hill both ways, doesn't make him or the school not real, it reminds me he rode a horse to school, the exaggeration doesn't make him semi-divine, it just leaves leaves more of an impression.
To a culture that believes you only truely die when you are forgotten. You tell stories.
It is noted by St. Paul that the Celts were oddly not pagon but something else, and their hospitality and eagerness for stories were matched by none.
Like Cú Chulainn and Niall Noígíallach, Manannán was likely at one point, much further back since he was already a legend by the time of Cú Chulainn, a real king of the Isle of Man.
The tribe of Danu are claimed to have crossed from the Isle of Man after they followed the wisdom of a salmon up the Danube.
Like the myth says the Neolithic farmers were already on Ireland, allegedly we offered to split it 50/50 then after some negotiation agreed on 75/25.
We then later negotiated with sea people we named "The Greedy" for the magical knowledge of growing grain, cause hunting and gathering is sometimes hard.
On the mainland at some point Celts agree not to use Germans as sacrifices, then some Gaelic fishers spot an island north of Spain.
Absu brought me here.
I assume you mean the ancient sea or the metal band . . . ?
@@CelticSource Both, why not? :)
@@rothbardfreedom I love that band. Been listening for years. The reason I searched is because my wife plays a game and she can summon Manannan. She asked me how do i say this guys name? To my surprise it was Manannan. I told her im not sure, but its a bad ass song. She looked at me funny.
Absu talks alot about this stuff. So for educational reasons i wanted to know more.