The Flash (2023) - MOVIE REACTION!!
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Eric, Calvin and Aaron react to and discuss The Flash (2023) - #TheFlash #Batman #Supergirl
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00:00 - Intro
02:59 - Reaction
48:07 - They're All Bruce Wayne
48:58 - Well, That Was The Flash
50:15 - Unearned Fan Service
53:23 - The Plot
56:08 - Unfortunate Marketing
56:47 - The Physics
1:00:29 - Phasing
1:01:36 - Michael Keaton
1:03:09 - The Score
1:04:21 - Costume Design
1:06:02 - The Lasso of Truth
1:06:26 - Ezra Miller
1:07:24 - Supergirl
1:09:49 - The Murder of Nora Allen
1:11:02 - Dark Flash
1:11:52 - Sound Design Choices
1:16:19 - Bringing Back Batman
1:17:03 - I Hope James Gunn Succeeds
1:18:25 - The Emotional Beats
1:19:47 - Exonerating Henry Allen
1:20:52 - Time Travel
1:22:07 - Michael Keaton's Suits
1:23:08 - The Batmobile
1:25:53 - General Zod
1:25:09 - Differences in Batman Media
1:30:57 - Final Thoughts
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Man i thought you were doing Flash Gordon.... Fark guys, i guess its the audience these days, but arent you personally sick of teenage marvel shite?
For lovely starters… I need a The Woman King (On Netflix) & Fast X (On Peacock) reactions from you gents..
And Is this a reupload or am I having some weird deja vu moment or etc and just imagined I watched this video already lmao
They almost did a flashpoint paradox live action...instead they gave us this shit.
HISHE Flash grabbin bunch of Xrytonite as weapon is more logic
Crono bowl thing looks like the movie polar express.
One of the more frustrating things abt this movie is that Nic Cage came out and said he filmed stuff on set and this wasn’t it.
I think it's time to demand the release of the Cage cut.
Jeeze what an insult to Nicholas Cage, if I were him I'd be fucking pissed. Especially because had Nicholas Cage been in it I would have gone despite my dislike for Ezra Miller.
WB handling of DC live action so horribly bad. Even when they have a good product, they just deliberately find ways to f*ck it up. They've changed so many things in this movie. a couple who are my good friends saw the first early screening for this movie in early 2022 and they loved it and when the final movie came out and they saw it, they hated it because some very key elements in this movie was changed which basically changes the whole narrative and ending of the movie. WB executives for whatever reason just loves to make creative changes in their DC movies when it's been repeatedly resulted into absolute disasters. Started with Batman V Superman, then infamous Whedon JL, and they still haven't learned. All Batman cameos from the upcoming Aquaman 2 movie has been removed confirmed by the director of the movie himself and they had literally 2 batman cameos in the movie . Batlfeck and Keaton. I thought James Gunn might act differently but dude seems to be acting the same way like his predecessors. I just hope he can keep things steady in the new universe they're making
When WW enters. Also cringy. The music and the dialogue. Woof.
It was great to see Cage as Superman after all this time tho!
The things that work in this movie, really work for me. But the things that don’t, really don’t. The 2 big highlights for me are Keaton and Sasha Calle’s Supergirl.
Sasha def needs to come back.
@@billbill6094 Seconded
agreed. the good things in this movie are good. but the bad things are really bad. this movie completely lost my interest with the whole falling baby scene at the beginning..
YEAH SASHA AS SUPERGIRL WAS THE BEST PART!
I really hope they keep sasha as supergirl
If Batman is the best part of your Flash movie, there's a problem.
Also, the animators have come out and said that they were pressured for time and that's why the cgi is a little off. They did their job, it was the executives and studios that wanted this movie out as soon as possible. Which made the animators rush out an unpolished project.
You can’t really say the studio were “rushing it out” - the film was in production for about 5 years!
even though the director said it was supposed to look bad on purpose lol, they're just trying to make excuses
And your director, their boss say it was artistic making their work awful on purpose. In which they make it seem they were hired cause the director is the only one who likes it or has sympathy if his lie is about artistic style not time
That's all they ever use as an excuse lmao. The cgi in DC films or shows has NEVER been even close to great.
@@TheZackkary1 and? 2 years were wasted trying to find the right person to write the script and the director, after multiple rejections. 1 year to film in the middle of a pandemic. Post-Production that was hell, scandals with the main actor. Post-production was put on hold after yet another studio merge. And multiple months for a decision to cancel the movie altogether. Yes, I believe they were rushed by the investors to put the movie out once and for all for profit. Because, that’s the only thing they care about.
The part that REALLY gets me is when barrys Mom takes off his glasses. Look at the moms face. She doesn't know why and especially how, but she immediately recognizes her child and decides to hide it. This movie may have a shit load of problems, but that scene was done masterfully and saved the movie for. It wasn't any big moment or fan service, But just a simple scene between a son and a mother.
Loved that scene. It still didn't save the movie tho
Maribel Verdu was great as Barry's mother.
I liked the emotional scenes they did those very well & honestly it took me till this movie to realize how similar Flash & Batman are all their conversation scenes even Batfleck made me want to see more of em together like they both are detectives and lost their parents in the same day . The mom stuff got me , the cgi was the weakest part but I liked the movie
For every good emotional scene they added 10 scenes with shitty jokes, that's what ruined it for me more than CGI
I agree, although the CGI was wonky and some weird parts with younger Barry. Some of the older Barry scenes I really liked and made me really emotional.
@@MrDarkSidius to be honest that feels like 90% of superhero movies these days, they all seem to ruin actual emotion with crap jokes a 10 year old wouldnt find funny
The relationship between Batman and flash has always been one of my favorite things about the Animated shows. You can tell Batman respects the flash even more than Superman and sees more of himself in him more than anyone else on the team
@@MrDarkSidius I didn't really feel that in this movie, I thought all the emotional scenes were well done. What you describe is how I felt about some MCU movies, especially Thor Ragnarok. Thor lost so much in that movie, his Dad, his home, his eye, yet that movie felt like there was no emotional weight & he hardly showed any emotion or grievance towards that. Compared to like No Way Home, you can feel the emotional weight & the pain Peter went through, losing Aunt May & having his friends forget who he is.
'This means nothing to this movie, but it looks cool' Perfect summary of this movie.
Half of it doesn’t even look cool either
If the cameos had actually _looked_ cool I might have been more forgiving of them being empty fanservice. As it was, they couldn't even clear that low bar.
I love the goodbye between Barry and Nora, the music and acting is beatiful, kinda sad the rest of the 3rd act is so Bad
It’s kinda wild that Blue Beetle, a film with maybe half the budget, manages to look better than this
It was said that the weird looking cg was intentional. Not sure that justifies it though.
Well and people act like there's just a hub of animators everyone goes to to hire and the more money, the better animation. They can simply have had worse animators.
I like it, it sets the whole tone of this thing being a cartoon in live action, the shit in one piece looks exactly the same and no one complains about that….
the expectations and cost for a movie production are MUCH higher than a tv/streaming show production. @@cl4-tpgaming
@@cl4-tpgaming nahh... it's just bad looking CGI and there's much better attempts at doing what you're describing.
BTW, "One Piece" is miles better in production values like lighting and directing compared to "The Flash" and people don't complain about the random wonky CGI they use sparingly because "One Piece" is a good series with engaging characters. Oh.... and it's a TV show....
I loved Keaton Batman more in The Flash than I did in his original movies. And it was not because he actually moved like Batman in this, but because he acted so much like Bruce Wayne in this. Smart, methodical but someone who would rather sacrifice himself than let a friend get hurt. Also, Ezra acted the hell out of every scene with Barry and Barry. This is exactly how someone of his intellect and in his position in JLA would interact with his younger self.
So this is something that every VFX artist and director has to deal with: what is accurate, vs what looks good. The friction-less running is physically accurate, but doesn't look good. Most realistic things do not look good. There isn't no friction, but he is just going too fast for the friction to affect him. That's why the water still moves around.
Is it physically accurate? We have no real-life examples of people running at light speed.
@@aydinbiber7616 So CorridorDigital broke it down pretty well. But as for physics goes, the slower something slides against a surface, there is more resistance so the faster it goes, the less resistance there is. But the effects of them sliding together (heating up, scratching or damaging it) still apply. Idk if I am explaining it correctly, I cannot words well lol
no, this is not accurate. to accurately show him not experiencing friction, all you need to do is not have him slow down. that's not the issue. the issue is that while he may not be experiencing the effects of friction, the rest of the world is. there should be massive trails left on the ground with every footstep. gouges, scorch marks, not to mention the virtual crater he would create every time he comes to a stop. instead they only show water moving away from him, which should honestly be more like vapor. not even close to what i would call accurate.
@@chriswright8114 This is something that has been ignored in the comics forever, the flash would damage everything around him. I am more speficially talking about the way he himself moves relative to the surface he is running on. With that speed, one step would have a lot of force and just push him much farther. The way he moves through the air across the ground IS correct but only theoreitcally because we haven't seen anything besides light move that fast. The affects of him running like that are not correct. But I think the comics used "the speed force" as a way to explain stuff like that at some point idk
@@chriswright8114well I heard the explanation for him not damaging everything around him is the speed force.
1:31:25 I personally disagree with this take on the movie and and just tv and cinema in general. Why can’t people just watch something to enjoy it rather than feeling like there forcing themselves to watch it for a thing that’s coming in the future. E.g. the Marvel TV shows before Disney. Those shows (Daredevil, Agents of shield, Punisher etc…) are all regarded as better than the Disney stuff and are barely connected to a huge climax of the marvel stuff (agents of shield kinda the exception but still, that show got ignored and is still getting ignored to this day even tho people still say it is a great show). So why can’t things just be watched to be enjoyed these days?
I quite like Supergirl hope that actress sticks around. I feel like Kara is usually plucky and had an adventurous spirit.
But she WAS a kryptonian, she’s a refugee from a planet destroyed by a authoritarian cue. I like that she is more serious with a chip on her shoulder
Also, a Supergirl who FAILS to do her singular job and protect Kal-El? That's interesting.
Like, yeah, technically she fails in most iterations because she arrives like 20-30 years after, but Kal-El is fine. But this shows Kal-El dying while in transit, and I want to see the fallout on Supergirl's psyche and morality when she is, for all intents and purposes, the LAST Kryptonian and the LAST of the House of El.
I'd also like seeing them explore her being an actual Kryptonian, raised in the culture, as opposed to a lot of her iterations where she's just Superman's "little" cousin who largely acts normal to human standards. Weirdly enough, the CW show is probably one of the Supergirl iterations that kind of delves into that- but not terribly deeply.
@@swampfireian41yeah it’s cool how solem she is accepting a lot of failure. They don’t do the typical “ fish out of water” trope with her eating icecream and being like, “wow this is the best thing I’ve ever had this planet is amazing!”
Other than the straight-bad CG, I really enjoyed like 75% of The Flash. It's the 25% remaining where it really falls apart - most of which is the ending. It was re-edited and re-written SO many times. Supergirl, Wonder Woman, and Superman were all supposed to appear at the court scene, for example. Consequently, Supergirl has no ending. The biggest irritation for me is... all The Flash really did for me is prove that Ben Affleck is the best Batman, in the movie that writes him out. Great. Oh, and Nicholas Cage DID film for this movie... and they cut him out and did it all in bad CG. Madness.
Personally, my fav part of this whole movie was Supergirl, her pure rage during the fight scenes were so satisfying to watch, and the actor who played her did a great job, IMO... Also Batman beating shit up was fun to watch. Got to admit, I never cared for screaming teenage Barry the whole movie... It wasn't a great movie, but was, alright.
Apparently Nic Cage WAS on set and in front of the camera. However, he claims what was in the movie was not what he filmed
I love seeing Jeremy Irons anywhere though, especially as Alfred!
I honestly really like the movie. It has a lot of issues for sure, but I was entertained quite a bit. I've seen it a few times now, and I enjoy it each time. Just a fun movie in my opinion.
The movie was garbage. Pure insult to the comics + CW's early Flash.
@@gamerdude4465woke
@@gamerdude4465 Let's be real. Early CW Flash was also trash. Only good thing about the show was Wells and the two dads, but Flash himself was trash.
@@gamerdude4465idiot number one
@@Thehardtruth69idiot number two 😂😂😂😂😂😂
34:43 Justice League Barry set up Noob Barry to fail. He knew Noob Barry had to regulate energy to not overheat/overcharge and still let him use the overheating suit. If they switched it would be more efficient in term of in-universe logic. The more experienced Barry is the one juggling regulating energy and Noob Barry has the "safer" suit. AND it would make sense in the climax how Noob Barry kept rewinding and replaying events. Noob Barry can keep going over and over and JL Barry can't.
But yeah in terms of logistics of the movie, they probably did it to make the improvised suit the one that gets corrupted and mangled.
The "oh god!" from Aaron when Batfleck crawled on the hood of the car was hilarious 😂
Btw the Lawyer defending Barry's dad is from Doctor who. He plays Donna Nobles Husband, Shaun Temple Noble played by Karl Collins.
IMO Michael Keaton's Batman and Supergirl were the best parts of the movie.
There wasn't nearly enough of Kara!
i thought so to, it left a bad taste in my mouth that they were abandoned to a doomed reality
This movie didn't even bother to explain who killed Nora Allen. They just blamed Henry Allen. Barry wasn't even curious what happened.
That was Barry's next move to find out.
We would've seen Reverse Flash in the sequel.
"How did Blue Beetle do?"
Lmao, once you find out hahahahahaha
Honestly I can’t enjoy like 99% of this, but the mom’s performance in the hug scene near the end actually got me a little misty eyed. Good on her.
Yeah, that actress did a really good job with the screen time she was given.
Supergirl was my favorite part of the movie. I hope they use her in future projects.
Mine too, her costume design was like a combination of CW arrowverse and the Man of Steel, it's like DC rolled it, patted it, and put in the oven and it came out perfectly.
I like how she throws herself when she’s about to fly at Zod. Looks really cool 😎
I think a lot of factors had to go into play for The Flash to flop as badly as it did. First we have the Ezra Miller of it all but then there was the overuse of poor CGI (along with the reports of just how abused VFX workers are helps that make sense), the creepy use of AI to bring dead actors back and to replace living actors, an overall fatigue with lackluster superhero films (personally don't think people are tired of superheroes YET, but if these mid films keep going then that might change), the unearned fan-service that feels condescending, plus the standards for DC films are sooooooooo low the interest is just as low, AND that low interest isn't helped by the knowledge the DC movies coming out right now don't have a baring on the future of the DC cinematic universe so there is no urgency to see them. There are most likely other issues I'm not remembering but these feel like the big ones in my opinion. It was a perfect storm that just made this an inevitable failure. Hopefully James Gunn can fix this otherwise my vote will be for DC to focus on their animated shows. Harley Quinn and My Adventures with Superman are legitimately the best things to come out of DC in years and they deserve the praise for reminding people why these characters are actually great.
Not only does it suffer from this incarnation of the DCEU now being a dead-end, the film _itself_ made that choice several times. Introduce a new live action Supergirl (one of the characters with the most future potential for me) ? Then kill her. Re-introduce a "new" live-action Batman ? Then kill him. Then at the end, double down with a Clooney stunt cameo that basically suggests either the entire film will be taken back _even in its own universe_ (i.e. Barry will have to fix his "fix") OR it's not only a meta dead-end, it's an in-universe dead-end too (because this isn't even the - now defunct - _current_ DCEU anymore).
The film has "You _really_ shouldn't care about this" in its fundamental DNA. And I didn't so, y'know, I guess mission accomplished.
Also Superman and Lois.
"Harley Quinn" I don;t know how to react to this, for first 1 and half season the show is pure class then the rest of it is utter grabage. Putting it in same sentence with "My adventures with superman" (which is by far the best superhero thing to come out recently including live action shows and movies) makes your opinion absolutely irrelevant.
I feel the same way as you guys, I liked some things and disliked others. I totally agree with Eric about the sound effect for the World Engine. I was waiting for it and was left disappointed. It's like if The Mandalorian hadn't used the sound effect for the Seismic Charge when Boba Fett used it in Season 2. I also enjoyed Supergirl and hope they keep that actress for the new DCEU.
Great reaction Wave Crew! 🤘🤘🤘
The post credit was pretty much just making an in universe explanation for the actor changes coming, Jason still being Aquaman in all of them, etc. But Batman being different.
I have been waiting for this reaction for SOOOOO LOOONG
Yall missed the cameo by Nikolaj Coster-Waldau guy 2nd Barry stole pizza from and the Director the guy first Barry stole a hotdog from.
Their reaction when the giant spider popped up was perfect. This was a shit movie but these guys are the perfect ones to react to it
Honestly only things I liked about this were Sasha Calle as Supergirl, a lot of Michael Keaton’s performance (even if I think the retired/jaded hero mentor trope is really played out at this point), and as much as I don’t like that montage of worlds colliding I did like finally seeing Nic Cage Superman fighting a giant spider. Other than that the film’s a mess that I equate to ripping off the band aid to make way for Gunn’s DC films which hopefully (?) have less drama and inconsistencies in terms of quality
That was a fantastic impression of the World Engine 😂
The ending scene apparently changed like 3 or 4 times because WB kept changing direction. Originally it would have been Affleck, but he wanted out after the Justice League debacle. They filmed a version with Keaton and Calle, then another with Cavill. Then the reboot was announced and they brought in Clooney because the ending didn't matter anymore.
It's interesting though that this basically canonized the Burton films and Schumacher films are different universes.
Has this channel stopped watching most major films in theaters now? I'm not referring to this film in particular, but all blockbusters films that have come out in the year.
How many of them do they actually have reviews for opening weekend or within the first week of release?
Loved seeing your reactions to the Nicholas Cage sequence! i adore it; very well-directed
Not even an acknowledgment of the interaction between Grant and Ezra's interaction in crisis or even Grant in general is a crime
*George Clooney Walks up*
Ezra Miller; Who is this?
Grant Gustin; *Runs in* Hey, let me buy you a cup of coffee
I've been waiting for this reaction for a very long time !!!!
This movie warmed my heart with Micheal Keaton, and then hurt my soul with everything else
I think the flash 'skating' is basically showing him in slow motion, because if you think about it it'll be weird if hes moving his arms and legs like a million times a second but would be looking around at regular speed.
I agree! I think maybe if they did a trick where it's implied his arms and legs ARE moving that fast, but just like in life when things move in repeated motions at incredible speed it can kind of blur into a slow-motion effect?
Like when a helicopter's blades start up and eventually your brain perceives them start spinning backward because of how fast they move.
Again though, if's and's and but's that could've and should've and would've, y'know?
It doesnt look believable that's the problem stuff like Smallville or the flash TV show looks more believable and stuff like Dash in incredibles or Quicksilver in the X-Men movies looks infinitely better
@Blind Wave, I'm surprised you didn't comment or react in your wrap up to the colours used in the Batfleck suit. It was the blue-ish grey which is a nod back to older batman costumes. The Supoerpowers Justice League figures that I still own some of them used Batman i a grey and blue suit.
i didn't think the effects in the chrono bowl were bad, i know they said it was because they were crunched on time, but it having different effects made it stand out, it was a visual representation of specific point in time, almost like a GIF, i didn't feel that it needed to be picture perfect in order to feel right
To be honest, the cg should have been used most at the end to bring in Superman/Batman/Flash variants for the battle. They set up the possibility and set up how he could hold his own against either Super with the Kryptonian metal.
I have been waiting for this
seeing christopher reeve's superman was super emotional for me. Thats my superman right there.
I'VE BEEN WAITING SO LONG FOR THIS REACTION!!!
The baby scene reminded me of the opening scene of Naked Gun 33 1/3 with O.J. Simpsons catching babies.
I loved when he said "it's flsshing time" and then flushed all those millions down the toilet
1:04:53. Ben Affleck's "Batman" cowl! Aaron, maybe the movements were too subtle? 🤔 It wasn't until "Double Toasted" or "Reel Rejects"? One of them! They noticed it had emotional reactions, too, during the Golden Lasso scenes! 🤣
So they had a timestamped video showing the dad at the store when the mom was stabbed, wearing the clothes he was arrested in. Plus he had a hat on with a recognizable logo on it. He wouldn't need to look up for there to be SERIOUS reasonable doubt.
1:18:18 Mark! What's the best thing to James Gunn doesn't make it so for others. Aaron, your preferences are different. 😊
1:05:53 Mark! What?! I looked for such moments and I didn't notice! Or were you counting covered, not bare? 🤔 If covered, doesn't that happen anyway, especially during leg sweeping movements? 😮
No way they just skipped the last Batfleck’s scene ever like that. That conversation in the alley is so pure
If they change the ezra to grant dustin flash then this movie will be the superhero movie of the year.
As much as I like the idea of seeing Nic Cage as Superman in a real movie, I was disappointed that they didn't show the Disco Superman suit.
@Blind Wave,the younger version of Barry seem to have George McFly about him in tbe film?.
😭 I remember a short inteview clip with michael shannon and they were like hey were gonna introduce multi-verse. And michaels like man idk wtf that is. And the look on his face envoked both laughter and sorrow for me. So either they didnt properly explain it. Or he was throughly confused by the premise/movie
I have 0 problems with Ezra. In fact, he is my favorite casting of the DCCU. All my issues with the movie are the visual quality of the fx shots. And wtf is "unearned fan service"? It's fan service. It's literally inserting a "sample" of someone else's work for no reason beyond the callback. How would it ever be anything but unearned?
You have 0 problems with Ezra as a person or an actor?
1:26:00 Mark! That Celebrity Paradox trope and the Tommy Westphall Universe phenomenon both apply to this movie. 🤯
I recently viewed "Meg Mage" reacting to what she calls the "MC Universe"! So it was easier for me to notice that on Steve's checklist of things to do was the "Rocky" movies, and wouldn't you know it, actor Sylvester Stallone appears as the boss of "The Ravagers"! So then, who played "Rocky Balboa"? 🤔
In this case, who was in Michael Keaton's movies and series, et al? Ditto for George Clooney! 😮
Was the actress who played the alternate wife of Mister Curry, the same one that played the mother of "Polka-dot Man"? 🤔
Aren't you happy that Arthur Curry was restored? 🤔
Honestly, the very first time I watched this, I'm surprised Supergirl and Batman were killed against Zod, Faora and Nam-Ek. It was more realistic, which I appreciate. I figured them going to all that trouble to rescure Supergirl that she'd be OP and save the day Captain Marvel style. Happy to be wrong about that. -- That being said, I'm surprised the younger Flash was able to kill Faora the way he did with the slash and stab. She's Zod's second in command, no qualms about killing, brutal and effective...younger Flash, he's fast, but otherwise her opposite.-- Also, I liked how they had the Kryptonians battle the U.S. military at Edwards AFB. -- Despite its shortcomings, the movie had a few unexpected highlights. I hadn't seen any of the trailers and wasn't expecting Michael Shannon to reprise his role. Zod being victorious no matter how many times they tried to redo it, is pretty much how it would go. Makes me wonder why Zod didn't stab Kal-El.
Seeing Nick Cage-superman show up for a cameo made me miss Jon Schnepp so much! 🥹😭 I remember watching his documentary about that project back in the day.
I feel like ive watched their reaction to this months ago.....im trippin right?
11:10 Peter's time at Initech finally caught up with him
He ended up in federal-pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
Their reaction to the baby scene was mex exact thoughts 😂
I love you guys’ movie reactions. All of your reactions really. Thank you for living your life the way you do because it’s awesome! I would love to recommend a movie to you.
When you get a minute or a few, please try ATTACK THE BLOCK. It is a horror comedy with an excellent cast. I think you’re gonna really enjoy it if you haven’t seen it already.
The reason he moves his arms like that is to channel the speed force lightning. That's why he keeps 2 fingers up, think of uncle iroh in avatar.
There's a satisfying movie somewhere in here. I've found it a couple times but man this movie needed a solid plan.
Went from being a flash movie, to a universe opening film, to an ensemble film, to a multiverse film, to a movie ending a cinematic universe. I just wanted a flash movie
2:49 I'm laughing, I'm choking. That's the funniest thing I've seen all year
I just noticed that his father is Lewis Nixon from Band of brothers
I love the movie as a flash fan!!
I understand people's issue with the CGI in this movie, but other than that I really enjoyed it and got overall felt happy by the end of the movie. Definitely deserves some criticism, but I feel like a lot of people hate on this movie just to hop on the bandwagon.
100%
🫵👍👍👍👍👍👍
Aside from the CGI microwave baby, I don't think the rest was enough to break my suspension of disbelief overall
I think the approach on the CGI in the running scenes was similar to what was done for the VR world in "Ready Player One"
The CGI characters in the cronoball scenes weren't meant to be real. They were meant to be echoes of the real ones. Like statues at a museum
Maybe it would've looked better if they had been done in monochrome
Like the liquid metal holograms in MAN OF STEEL
it’s funny you guys are critical of things that flopped but if it’s star wars it doesn’t matter you can’t be critical
The Nicolas Cage staring at Ezra Miller zoom out out of context is one of the funniest things i've ever seen
Ezra Miller's last screen appearance in the DCEU.
I saw this in IMAX and i did enjoy myself regardless of all that was stacked against it from criticism to toxic fandom, Box office numbers, etc.
For me, there was an epicness and expectation, especially after Justice League:The Snyder Cut.
Ezra Miller does own it as the lead.
I enjoyed seeing Sasha Calle as Supergirl and having both Affleck & Keaton as Batman.
The visual effects did look kinda weird and it was on purpose, like it or not.
Everybody's powers and abilities coming through in major doses.
The character interactions, action sequences and so many easter eggs were good fun.
2 of the final scenes shook things up; one was very epic (speed force realm) and the other was extremely on purpose and maddening (Clooney's "sort of" cameo).
Keaton signed on to do 3 films.
The Flash (2023), the unreleased Batgirl movie and Batman Beyond.
Just to see him back in action was one of the best parts and we'll never see again.
Between Erza Miller's transgressions with the law or being hated on for his portrayal of the character, the displeasure with the DCEU, etc; everybody had a reason for the displeasure of the film.
A script for The Flash sequel by the writers of Aquaman movies had finished a long time ago and would've been pursued if the movie hadn't flopped like it did.
So, for some reason, DESPITE the film having an entire spaghetti analogy to this film's use of time travel and how it affects the world around it, people still don't understand it. So I'm going to try to explain it better.
We have two different conepts in this movie. Universes, and timelines. Unlike the MCU, this film uses those concepts correctly. A universe is a physical space with a whole set of natural laws that dictate what can and can't happen within it. A timeline is a series of events within that universe. So a universe is what, and a timeline is what happens. So to speak.
When Barry saved his mom, he changed the timeline within that universe. Replaced the old one with the new one. And that change reverberated throughout all of time, forward and backward. But it is also soon after this timeline change that we also see the introduction of a time loop. Future Barry 2 pushes Barry 1 into the new timeline, eventually leading to the events that makr him him. But then he accidentally kills himself. This happens because they're outside of time and thus not subject the nature of a causal loop. But when future Barry 2 kills present Barry 2, it effectively erases the events of the rest of the movie that we've seen up until this point, because the grandfather paradox still exists. Or a similar one, anyway. If Barry 2 never became an evil Barry 2, he could never have caused the events that led to his own creation. But don't think about it too hard. Just don't. Because the answer is that Barry 2 either never existed, always existed, or is simultaneously existand AND non-existent. And none of them make sense.
At the end of the movie, Barry 1 changes the timeline again. Barry 2 no longer exists because he never had the opportunity to exist, and the timeline is mostly the same as it was before. But that change he made with the placement of the tomato soup also reverberated throughout time. This new timeline is not the same as the original one, but it, too, has replaced it.
Universes are the giant Speed Force domes we see at the end, all crashing into one another. Each dome essentially peers into moments in time witin those respective universes, and when the domes collided, cracks between time and space emerged, allowing the horribly rendered CG monstrosities to peer into the DCEU Speed Force dome/universe.
Okay. If I explained everything accurately, then our collective understanding is that neither Michael Keaton or George Clooney are playing the SAME versions of Batman as they did in theirbown respective movies. Those films exist in a separate universe, but the events of this film take place entirely within one universe with multiple timelines (or the same timeline, but altered). Michael Keaton veing Batman and being older than Ben Affleck Batman was one of the many changes to the timeline when Barry saved his mom. George Clooney being Batman was one of what we can only assume are equally numerous changes to the timeline when Barry saved his dad from life in prison.
The clips we see of George Reeves and the classic style Jay Garrick (who I don't think ever existed in real life), Christopher Reeves and Helen Slater, Nic Cage Superman, and the 60's Batman series all exist within separate universes. The same universes those characters and stories originally appeared in. But Michael Keaton and George Clooney are not playing their versions of the character, but similar versions within a different universe and setting due to the changes in the timeline made by Barry.
Edit: So basically, the SMALL amount of the multiverse we see in this film still lines up with what we've seen in the Arrowverse, particularly within Crisis on Infinite Earths. And it seems weird to me, that Marvel is the company that, despite their infinitely larger succes, fail to understand the differences between a universe and timeline. While DC, a far less consistent franchise and far more disjointed while also ALL being connected to everything else has consistently understood the concepts they were playing with.
I didn't like the movie, but I thought it was great when the alternate Flash tried all the combinations to open Kara's cell as it foreshadowed his approach to try and win the climatic battle and turn him into Dark Flash.
I actually kinda liked this, because I saw it at home after already hearing all the sruff about it, so I didn't have expectations and just went in ignoring everything and just having fun with it as is. I like more lighthearted and goofy things as opposed to overly serious stuff anyway, so CGI aside, I actually quite liked it, especially all the time travel ajd multiverse stuff! Trippy stuff like that is always cool to me anyway lol.
Same. I’m so glad I’m able to live making up my own mind and enjoying the fun/goofy side of things rather than let the miserable mindset of other people influence my experiences.
Personally, I thought this movie was too silly, and I am NOT someone who thinks DC/superheroes need to be all grimdark. I like silly superhero movies, they're all we had in the 90s. This one didn't land with me, but it doesn't bother me if other people enjoyed it, that's great.
Im surprised they didnt say anything about henrys actor being the guy who played nixon in band of brothers
nicholas cage filmed scenes for the movie, he said they didn’t even use the reference footage he gave.
@Blind Wave,the guy who got his hot dog swiped by Barry is either the director/writer or the producer had a cameo within the film,if you guys didn't catch that?.
no way you missed the death of batman scene where barry said "we cant bring you back can we?" and he says "you already didm you already did"
legit, major disappointment!
Batman was the best part of this movie. Can’t wait to see what Andy does with Brave and the Bold.
The best parts were the emotional scenes. They were done well
The reason it looks like he is running slow is the same effect as rotorblades from a helicopter changing speed to slowmo for the naked eye once they pass the refresh rates of your eyes.
I too am so sad we’ll likely not be getting any more Ben Affleck Batman 😔 He was great in this movie. My favorite part actually. Even with the small part he had 🥲
Just watched your guys reaction to Black Adam a minute ago... ERIC YOU'RE WEARING THE SAME GREEN SHIRT!!!!
For me i really enjoyed this movie.The emotional beats went hard, I think Ezra did a good job imo. Batman and Supergirl obviously stole the show aswell. As a DC fan this was a fun time. It has its flaws and a lot of them, theres no denying that. I just feel they are overexaggerated and a lot of people just joined the hatewagon. It's kind of the perfect representation of the DCEU for me, flawed but i had a lot of fun with it.
I ENJOYED THE MOVIE! It is a Love Letter to DC Fans!
I think it was a decent movie but for it being a Flash movie you have to understand the CGI that needs to go with it so let the artist take their time for it to be good, it was clear that this movie was fan service for fans and I still enjoyed it my stakes for DC was so low the flash wasnt that bad compared to the other DC movies. Overall couldve been better but when I went and watched it I had a good time. Im hopping James DCU will help make DC actually something with a well strutured storyline that feels enjoyable to watch.
The best description of this movie I can give is that it's a parody of a film DC should have yet did not make.
I was wondering if you guys would be reacting to this movie given the controversy. Now they must react to blue beetle and shazam 2 as well😂.
Barry reunion with his mom emotional scene man 😢
Calvin and the jacket damn. I want one.
I liked The Flash. And moreso all Keaton's scenes.
So here’s my biggest problem with this movie. If traveling back in time caused a “current timeline” Barry, why isn’t there one when he restocks the shelves?
something something speedforce ?
there is you just didn't pay attention to it, I suggest you rewatch those scenes.
I don't care what anybody says. I for one enjoyed it.
13:48 13:52 the new suit was meant to dissipate energy more so it caused less damage to Berry and it was developed by Batman. The comics had a slightly better explanation where it's like depending on what connection you have to the speed force depends on what color of lightning you have and I think they said that orange was the more natural color I mean it's not like I prefer this but I am glad that they did give some explanation as to why in the previous films his lightning was blue and in this one it's sometimes blue and then sometimes orange.
May be late but to those who don’t know the Post credit scene
There may be 2 versions to interpret it.
One-
Basically Barry tries to find the rest of the League to see who is still there.
Wayne isn’t the same.
Superman may still be under some sort of government program which makes it hard to get to him.
WW may have never left the island.
Cyborg may have not been made.
However He does know Arthur must be there. And he is the same person. May not be the same one he originally met. So he tries to see what he can do with someone from the League he fought with to get back to the right time.
Two -
Barry went back in time to the original timeline and he meets with Aquaman. Just bc he saw that Aquaman was the same person or never existed. His “variants” are the same in MCU language.
The post credit scene doesn’t really make sense unless you were in marketing.
Bc Aquaman also had another movie to be released after this movie at the time. So it works for Marketing purposes.
However the post credit scene is pointless to Aquaman 2 bc the producers and cast said that they weren’t connecting this movie to any part of the timeline. It just sort of happens after Aquaman, which was after Justice League but no indication if Black Adam happens at the same time or Shazam 2 takes place before or after.