Is Prince of Thorns by Mark Lawrence a Little TOO Grimdark? Quite Possibly.

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  • Опубликовано: 25 окт 2024

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  • @RealBigDLil
    @RealBigDLil 4 года назад +10

    Yeah I wanted The Nuban to stay through the ending of book three as well, his name explains his entire character.

  • @spaceydragonmanga686
    @spaceydragonmanga686 5 лет назад +9

    I absolutely loved the first book, now I just have to read the second book and appreciate it's brilliance!

    • @TheAqeumini
      @TheAqeumini 2 года назад +2

      Well, what did you think?

  • @someoneunknown3391
    @someoneunknown3391 5 лет назад +9

    Mark Lawrence is very active on his facebook page and on the fantasy subreddit. He runs the Self Published Fantasy Blog off as well.

    • @mikesbookreviews
      @mikesbookreviews  5 лет назад +4

      Yeah, he replied to my tweets and Facebook post about this review. Such a down to earth dude. Whole reason I've bought 4 full series from him (Broken Empire, Red Queens War, Book of the Ancestor, and Impossible Times) without even ever reading anything of his. Authors that are cool with their fans and not snarky to them are like my weakness.

  • @StevenBeverage
    @StevenBeverage 3 года назад +16

    I'm surprised more people haven't read this trilogy. It's the filthiest, darkest of grimdark..possibly my favorite series of books of all time.

    • @currangill430
      @currangill430 2 года назад +1

      I couldn't roll with Jorg. I hated him.

    • @GreatOldOne9866
      @GreatOldOne9866 Год назад +2

      @@currangill430 you’re not supposed to like him.

    • @currangill430
      @currangill430 Год назад +3

      @@GreatOldOne9866 I know. I still didn't like following him though

    • @GreatOldOne9866
      @GreatOldOne9866 Год назад +2

      @@currangill430 I do, but that’s just difference of opinion. Like Mike says, you not liking something doesn’t take away someone’s enthusiasm for it.

    • @currangill430
      @currangill430 Год назад +1

      @@GreatOldOne9866 I didn't take away anything. Bro what are you saying? Lol. All I said is that I didn't like following Jorg 🤦‍♂️

  • @taylorclark2100
    @taylorclark2100 3 года назад +4

    The part where jorgs men release the poison into the castle and have the castle explode caught me off guard .

  • @SpydurPoet
    @SpydurPoet 3 года назад +2

    Just sitting here working from home and watching your videos.

  • @tonyyy2812
    @tonyyy2812 Год назад +1

    About to read king of thorns and watching this to recap the first book. Great content, Mike!

    • @tonyyy2812
      @tonyyy2812 Год назад +1

      Also wild that you only had under 300 subs at this point… congrats on the success! Well deserved

    • @turtleanton6539
      @turtleanton6539 7 месяцев назад

      Indeed😊

  • @AGreenG
    @AGreenG 2 года назад +3

    How weird! I'm using this book as a palette cleanser between WOT too. I finished book 6 and was like 'let's read something that's faster paced for a bit'.

  • @kad9964
    @kad9964 3 года назад +2

    Book 2 review plz! Don't know why I love this series so much😅

  • @kevins4254
    @kevins4254 5 лет назад +5

    Great review, Mike. I totally agree with your impressions of this book. If you like grimdark, I recommend The Black Company series by Glenn Cook. Good stuff.

    • @mikesbookreviews
      @mikesbookreviews  5 лет назад

      Thank you! Man, I have had The Black Company (10 books) on my iPad for awhile. I will certainly get to them eventually.

  • @spaceydragonmanga686
    @spaceydragonmanga686 5 лет назад +2

    Thanks for the upload btw, I love seeing peoples opinions on this book!

    • @mikesbookreviews
      @mikesbookreviews  5 лет назад

      Thanks for watching. I love hearing the mixed opinions on this one. Folks are too sensitive, IMO. I respect Lawrence for sticking to his guns in a time where everyone is apologizing for everything/anything.

  • @mrsduncanthetall
    @mrsduncanthetall 3 года назад +1

    Mike im struggling on this one , im glad you brought up the first person point i feel the same way

    • @mikesbookreviews
      @mikesbookreviews  3 года назад +1

      Wow, you're going way back. I don't even recall what I said at this point. But yeah, first person POV through a whole book is tough for me.

    • @mrsduncanthetall
      @mrsduncanthetall 3 года назад

      @@mikesbookreviews anytime im about to start a book i check your channel's review first 😃

  • @williamramskill5488
    @williamramskill5488 2 года назад +2

    I wanted to love the book but didn't for some reason, I didn't hate it either I just thought it was decent. I also didn't think it was too extreme, Maybe I'm just as broken as Jorge lol.

  • @Lou45833
    @Lou45833 2 года назад +2

    Love this series

  • @janehexum4093
    @janehexum4093 3 года назад +1

    this is the book that got me into reading

  • @davistalhone9482
    @davistalhone9482 5 лет назад +1

    Great review, Mike. I was wondering if you were going to tackle this one. I too was surprised with how uniform the themes were throughout. Expected a bit of redemption by the end. And in followup to when last we talked- The Blade Itself arrived last week, half way through it. It's as fantastic as you promised. In general I am not huge on grimdark but Abercrombie is so wonderful at characterization that violence and gore don't ever feel shoehorned in for shock value. Great recommendation! Will be relishing this series.

    • @mikesbookreviews
      @mikesbookreviews  5 лет назад +2

      I'm glad you're digging First Law. So dang good. I know I've said it before, but I feel like Rothfuss gets the recognition Abercrombie deserves.

    • @davistalhone9482
      @davistalhone9482 5 лет назад

      @@mikesbookreviews I really couldn't agree more! I really am surprised with this one. Usually when it comes to the hype books; particularly the grimdark ones, I'm often left feeling like maybe I just haven't adapted to what fantasy seems to have become. But this was a different story entirely; the POVs are tight, the characters interesting, the humor subtle but effective and the violence and grit just a natural extension of the world they inhabit. Thoroughly enjoying the ride and plan to revisit your reviews of the material after I finish as I expect they will take on more meaning once I've got a handle on what's what. What are you reading now that you finished with Lawrence?

    • @mikesbookreviews
      @mikesbookreviews  5 лет назад +2

      @@davistalhone9482 I'm rotating several series while on sabbatical from Wheel of Time. Started book 1's of The Witcher, The Demon Cycle by Peter Brett, and Red Rising by Pierce Brown. Planning to do book 1 of Lightbringer after that before rotating around to the sequels for Broken Empire as well as these. You sound a lot like I was the first time I read Blade Itself. I was like "how have I not heard of this series?!"

    • @davistalhone9482
      @davistalhone9482 5 лет назад +2

      @@mikesbookreviews I have heard A LOT of good about The Witcher series as well. You'll have to let me know what you think when you finish that one. I often forget that there are dozens of rich fantasy series out there based on video game franchises- The Witcher, Assassin's Creed, Dragon Age, The Elder Scrolls, Baldur's Gate, Guild Wars and even note Drew Wagar dug up the old Commodore 64 RPG Lords of Midnight and made it into a novel last year.

    • @mikesbookreviews
      @mikesbookreviews  5 лет назад +2

      @@davistalhone9482 Lots of friends read the D&D books, but outside of Witcher I never really had any interest until I discovered that the Witcher games were based on the books, not the other way around. I've only finished the first short story collection (The Last Wish) that establishes the lore and what it is a Witcher actually does. It's much more interesting having seen these characters in the game. I liked it quite a bit.

  • @joaoalves9330
    @joaoalves9330 4 года назад +2

    I know that you have a gilion books to read, but try to read King of Thorns (even if it´s in a year or 2), because it´s really worth it. Jorg improves a lot (he´s still a garbage human being, but... ) and I think you might like the rest of the series even more. Also, the world building improves A LOT.

  • @lordinquisitordunn336
    @lordinquisitordunn336 4 года назад +1

    You got every name right buddy!

  • @turtleanton6539
    @turtleanton6539 7 месяцев назад

    Great book.
    Great video😊

  • @ErikaArrowERO
    @ErikaArrowERO 8 месяцев назад

    I just finished this one and I liked it! But did they even explain why the uncle killed his mom and brother?

  • @oberstul1941
    @oberstul1941 3 года назад +2

    Are you going to finish this series anytime soon? Cheers for the reviews!

    • @mikesbookreviews
      @mikesbookreviews  3 года назад +1

      I crapped out on book 3.

    • @oberstul1941
      @oberstul1941 3 года назад +1

      @@mikesbookreviews Nice; I have my personal issues with the series, too; would love to hear your thoughts on book 2, at least :)

  • @BullSession
    @BullSession 5 лет назад +2

    Found this video through /r/fantasy.
    I too just finished reading the Broken Empire Trilogy -- Loved it! I think Prince was my least favourite of the three; King, and Emperor do a lot more to make Jorg feel like a realistic person. Like you, I was pleasantly surprised how responsive Lawrence can be on social media.
    If I could offer some small critique of your video, I think I'd prefer if your points were a little more structured, some light BGM would be nice (check out Kevin MacLeod), and maybe a few visuals sprinkled throughout (stock imagery, old medieval paintings, official art from the book etc.) I'll be checking out your other videos later though -- been looking for a RUclipsr who specializes in Fantasy novels. Keep it up!

    • @mikesbookreviews
      @mikesbookreviews  5 лет назад +2

      Since these just started out as "video diaries" while I was going through Wheel of Time and I'd be able to go back and reference them, I never really planned to make it a normal thing, but I have fun with them so I kept going. If you're looking for the humor, clips, artwork, etc., I'd recommend Daniel Greene's channel. He's the best Fantasy Books channel on RUclips.

    • @BullSession
      @BullSession 5 лет назад

      @@mikesbookreviews awesme, I'll check him out

  • @daft990
    @daft990 2 года назад +1

    Ha! Same for me. When I saw the outraged reviews I sort of understood that this was a book for me.

  • @Vinnie2501
    @Vinnie2501 Год назад

    Did you finish?

  • @kopsikiller
    @kopsikiller 3 года назад +1

    Why did you bail out on this series and Mark Lawrence's books in general?

    • @mikesbookreviews
      @mikesbookreviews  3 года назад +1

      I don’t think I did? I probably won’t read Red Queens War but still planning to read Book of the Ancestor.

    • @kopsikiller
      @kopsikiller 3 года назад

      @@mikesbookreviews was browsing through your reviews (just finished book 2 and wanted to see what you thought) and didn't find any on the rest of the broken empire, so I concluded you gave up on it. Glad to hear you finished the trilogy. Enjoy your vacations!!!

  • @22ronco22
    @22ronco22 2 года назад

    the book is good, but the protagonist is extremely edge.

  • @braveconcepts
    @braveconcepts 4 года назад +3

    SUCKS.
    Imagine adult subjects and grim facts of life but told with the pace and vocabulary of a childrens book. Perhaps that is an achievement?
    Just BORING or leaving the reader indifferent and not attached. The main character might be evil, mean or at least morally ambiguous but that could (should) be a bonus to make an intriguing story.
    Sadly Jorg is... boring. And as for the plot, quest, goal? Also boring, no urgency, no real sense of danger and since Jorg doesn’t appeal in any way... WHO CARES if he gets what he wants??
    The other characters hardly evoke any emotion or curiosity. On paper there is potential but, also on paper, the story and dialogue is flat and without flavor.
    Sorry but all the potent ingredients in this stew have been used so much better by other writers.
    Mentioning The First Law in the same sentence as this sleeping pill is blasphemy and an insult to Mr. Abercrombie.

    • @mikesbookreviews
      @mikesbookreviews  4 года назад

      I liked it more than this, but the more time has gone by the less impressed I am with this series. I DNF book 3 with about 200 pages left.

    • @turtleanton6539
      @turtleanton6539 2 года назад

      Great points all

    • @rapturedmourning
      @rapturedmourning Год назад

      This came across to me as YA trying to be edgelord. So many lapses of logic and prose.

  • @fredrikgranstrom6743
    @fredrikgranstrom6743 4 года назад +1

    SOUNDS AWESOME BUT YOU KINDA SPOILED IT ALL

  • @SonOfSeth
    @SonOfSeth 5 лет назад +1

    I despise this book, everything that was good in The First Law feels amateur and childish in comparison.

    • @mikesbookreviews
      @mikesbookreviews  5 лет назад +2

      I can certainly understand the criticisms of it. And, yes, not much compares to First Law. I think Glen Cook's The Black Company is the one I see most listed as similar to Abercrombie.

    • @SonOfSeth
      @SonOfSeth 5 лет назад +1

      @@mikesbookreviews I should really try The Black Company, hearing about it for a while now.

    • @mikesbookreviews
      @mikesbookreviews  5 лет назад +1

      @@SonOfSeth I've had about 10 books for that series on my iPad for almost a decade now. I'll get to them eventually.

    • @turtleanton6539
      @turtleanton6539 2 года назад +1

      Right

    • @turtleanton6539
      @turtleanton6539 Год назад

      Harsh but fair