WHAT T5 Trans is STRONGER!? 2.3 vs. 5.0 Differences. Lets take a look inside! Fox Body Mustang
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THis video is a video I have been wanting to do for a long time. THis video is basically an intro and lesson on the differences between a 2.3 and a 5.0 trans. I have seen people use 2.3 T5's in mustangs for years putting them behind a 5.0 or whatever engine. V8. I attempt to show you the differences between them internally. We all know one is stronger than the other but can you make a stronger one? Yes.
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I turned down negotiating on a T5 I found at a swap meet this weekend because it did not pass the 17mm input shaft test. The poor old sap trying to sell it to me for $400 bucks started to get upset when I told him it was a 4 cylinder T5 and not a v8 world class T5 like he was leading me to believe. Thanks for making this informative video Dan, you should have way more subscribers to your channel. I will always remember this part of your video while looking for t5's 10:36 WHOOP...WHOOP!!!
You are welcome. Thanks again for the kind words, im sure that guy isn't happy with that lol
Good video man I am learning thanks for posting!
Great video bro!!! Knowledge is money and power. !!!👍🏽
Another great video Dan!
Killer info and exactly what I was curious about. Thanks big time 🤙
You are welcome!
Great vid thanks for posting!
Thank you
30ish years ago I built a 302 with 289 heads and headers and used a turbo coupe T-5 and I was told to use the pilot bearing for an '8w Ford Courier pickup. It worked well considering T-5's weren't something you could find everyday but the rear 2.73 gear required shifting early due to the turbo coupe having higher a gear ratio. For a mild V8, it'll work in a pinch until you can get it upgraded or replaced.
Right. i think i mentioned something like an 84 ranger diesel input bearing woudl work. Or alternator bearing.
That's awesome information, now i can understand why i never could find a the right gears for a 89 mustang lx because i realized it had a 4 cyl t5 when i changed the u joints, because the u joints i bought were bigger so i went back to the autoparts to exchange them for the 4 cyl and those u joints fit well, so since i bought my mustang it was running 3.27's and later on i replaced the gears for 3.08's but the first and second gears still too short so when i used to shift into 3rd my stang won't still running strong, and now i can understand why that was happening great info man appreciate it. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Your Welcome! The first gear on world class t5 is 3.35. The first gear on 2.3 is 3.97 ratio so ya it would play havoc on gear choices if unknown.
On my way home with a t5 right now, might have to stop at Walmart to get a 17mm to see what trans I got haha very good info in this video!
Ye
The pilot bearing part number for a 4 cylinder t5 to v8 is 6202
Thank you for the info. Hopefully others see it.
Good tip!
Your full of good real knowledge 👍
Ty
Great info here on the ol T5! Just curious if you happen to have a link to a list of part numbers for these gears. Some day, I plan to go through my old t5 stash of parts and do some inventory lol!
I'm glad that there isn't a pop quiz after this video! Great wealth of knowledge!
Richard Price hahahahah
Thanx for the info and in depth.
I bought a steel/ aluminum bearing retainer for a V8 T-5 and it fit perfectly on my I4 T-5 out of a 85 SVO Mustang. As far as I know, the 85 T-5 out of an SVO mustang is the only exception.
SVO , 4cyl and V8 retainers are not the same.
@@Neomustangs I don't usually reference forums, but a few people on Turboford said the 85 SVO T-5 is the only four cylinder T-5 that the V8 T-5 bearing retainer can be used on. I bought the FMS-M-7050-A. I measured up and down that retainer with calipers and compared it to the old retainer, and all the measurements where exactly the same. I do know the difference between the I4 and V8 retainers is primarily the depth of the retainer where the bearing race resides. The retainer fit on perfectly. Maybe there is something I am missing.
Correction: I got the info from www.svoca.com. one of the members referenced Hanlon Motorsports as the primary source of the Info of the bearing retainer fitting. Apparently, they only fit because it is a World Class with a different first gear than all the other four cylinder T-5s. One member even mentions he bought four cylinder T-5 that had the steel retainer already on it that the previous owner had used.
Hey Dan
There was a 91 t5 4 4cyl car yesterday n I completely dismissed the car it being a 4cyl car....Dan I'm kicking myself right now for not pulling it....all I took from the car was the cowl cover petal assembly ...car is a hatch has blu interior..door panels gone. Lx seats with. Brocken driver seat rail but rails are identical both pass n driver side so I took seats out of. A 94 sn95 with sport black n grey electric driver seat n put on the fox pass manual rails on the driver side only as I could not move the rails forward to access the rear 15mm nuts holding it down..the front bolts line up perfect rears bolt holes position are about 1 in longer from the fox original bolt holes on the rails so all it needs is drilling 2 holes out to match holes on the bottom seat assembly...
I'm going back to get the cross member n drive line n clutch cable at least. . damn.
Thx Dan.
I'm watching this video again n again for me to remember next time I see a 5spd manual 4 cyl fox.
That 91 4 cyl mustang with blue interior was at picknpull in moss landin California 40 mns from Santa Cruz .ca.
I noticed you had a lot of t5 parts . What usually breaks and why ? I recently had my t5 cryo treated , installed counter shaft plate and shimmed the input shaft along with counter shaft for no end play . Looking to make 400 to the wheels . Do you think it will hold up ? What’s your thought on aftermarket gear assembly ? I have an opportunity to get a proshifted used assembly to install for 500
Really it’s about the clutch set up and how your shift
So which after market cluster do you use from Hanlon? The 068r or the 052r?
I rebuilt my v8 T5. Only problem is won’t go into fifth gear unless the rpms are low. Any suggestions on what the problem is? Thanks Great mustang content. Keep it up. Thank you
Thanks for the comment it’s probably one of your forks for the slider reverse or the fifth may be broken
I used a timkin ss202 which i actually had because it also fits a ratchet top 4spd harley support. Strange i know
I have a 2.3 T5 (WC I believe) that I'm planning on putting behind a stock 302 in my F100. Do you think it will hold up OK?
I don't plan on putting my foot through the floor or anything, just for cruising
I’ve been running one on my drift car for the last 3 years without a problem and I’m clutch kicking and putting my foot through the floor 😂
I have a new edge with a world class but I was the guy...I bought a T5 but according to you it's a 4 banger T5. Can I swap out the input shafts so I won't need to change out that bearing???
The 4cyl transmissions are completely different gear sets inside. They are smaller and weaker. Theres no getting around it. About the only thing same with V8 and 4cyl trans is the outer cases, top plate and main shaft (outside of hard parts like shift forks and stuff)
I had a bushing cut to fit the crank and 4 cylinder bearing.
I luv ur channel Sir, Im glad i found you. I have a stock 4cyl 5speed and on the process of doin a v8 351 swap when my $$ is right lol. But for now i want to collect parts that i will need in the future. I want to keep my 4cyl t5 cuz im not goin to drag or dump clutch & budget reason😁. So in order to make my t5 work on a 351 swap i will need to have the ranger 2.3 diesel pilot bearing, flywheel/clutchkit and v8 bell housing? Pls. lmk if im missing something else. Thank you in advance.
Your welcome. Sounds like you got what you need
@@Neomustangs awesome!!
Cool GL with swap !
Dude!
Great T-5 video!!
I don't know how you remember all that info/numbers.
I have a WC T-5 from my '85 Mustang 5.0. Can I put that behind my '84 Mustang GT 2.3L Turbo?
(Not an SVO....OEM motor was non intercooled @ 145 HP)
The '84 came with a T-5 but I don't think it will hold up behind the new 425 HP
2.5L Turbo motor that I'm building.
Rebuild enough transmissions and it just becomes part of your knowledge
I have another stupid question. Is the clutch fork the same between the 2.3 and 5.0 transmissions? thank you again for your time and have a verry good New Year.
No it is not.
@@Neomustangs Thank you
Dan I just recently purchased a 4cyl T5 (unknowingly). I have the 5,0 bell housing. can I change the input shaft and bearing retainer to the 5.0 T5. Not wanting to create crazy power into a 1965 coupe. Or should I just look for the 2.3 bell housing?
No the 4cyl input and retainer is different than a v8 can’t simply just swap them.
Can I use a V8 T5 rear housing on a 2.3l T5? I have an early 74 Mustang II and I need to move the shifter back about 2in in order to use it. The only adaptor I can find that will relocate the shifter back 2in is for the V8 model. Thank you for your help.
Don’t think so
Anyone know where i can get info 05-09 mustang 4.0 t5?? Specifically putting a sbf or ls engine in a 05 mustang using the V6 transmission? Thanks
Question for you my friend.
88 tbird turbo coupe world class t5, I’m going to be using this in my 93 4 cyl foxbody swap with a 302. What will I have to change? Just the input shaft?
Thanks! Looking forward to your response.
No just use a different pilot bearing.
When I used a turbo coupe trans T5 in my 5.0 stang , I used an early brass bushing that fit in the back of the crank , but machined the inside of that bushing to accept the roller bearing for a turbo coupe, whis is smaller than a 5.0 , I drag raced it many times , ran slicks & came off the line @ 3k & road raced it , & it held up fine .
Ah yes
Hi I want to do aT-5 swap into a1954ford behind a Y lock is a camaro v-8 T5 as stronger as the v-8 mustangs? I need the swifter forward like a s10 to look correct. So I don't have to get 2
trans. Just to change the tail hous -infant want to use stock clutch setup I will have to modify the bell housing to bolt up the T-5
Intriguing. T5 from camaro is non world class. SO no.
Can you tell the difference from a V4 T-5 and V8 T-5 just by driving the car and shifting?
Not really no
Is a t45 trans any better and are they able to be swapped to the 5.0 bell housing and also what about the tr3650
No T45's are not stronger. Bout the same.
can you put a 10.5'' clutch on a earlier 28oz flywheel meant for 10'' clutch?
No
Hey man isn’t there a particular year Fly Wheel you need? I’m making a 4cyl T5 work for a 351w I’ve got the bell housing I need already
No need really just a 10.5
All oem 351w are 28oz. A 302 can be 28 or 50oz, depending on the year. I believe 302's after 81 are 50.
Yes
I put a sn95 cobra in my 84 mustang it burnt out in a couple days shaft is stuck now oil smells burnt in the transmission I put the bell housing and clutch fork what do you think happen did I mess up putting that transmission in my car?
The Sn95 has a longer input shaft. You probably jammed it. Did you use the sn95 bell ?
@@Neomustangs yes
Hey thanks for the video maybe you can help I'm looking for the Cosworth T5 main output shaft the end of it where the yoke slip on is 25 spline and Dia of 35 mm can you help thank and merry Christmas thank
I can try
@@Neomustangs hi thank if you're saying it's all the same internal then the only difference is where the yoke slip on right? That Cosworth T5 is what was on the ford sierra Cosworth 2wd or the merkur for you guy in the us
What about the diffrence in the turbo t5 have a chance to pick one up low mileage automat 87 or newer turbo T-bird Coupe now I hear they're a little bit stronger than the regular 4-cylinder 2.3 the factory gear was too short for the added to 3 Turbo so they made the 2-3 turbo t 5 a little stronger due to the turbo so I've been looking for information on the T5 Turbo 4-cylinder trans
ITs about the same really.
Thank you sir, This video was very informative. I have a 92 4 banger with a manual T5 that I’m about to 5.0L 302 V8 swap. So now I understand what to change inside my trans to make it v8 compatible.
Yep Yw ! Thx for subbing
Is there any chance on you making a detailed list video of what you would replace in the 2.3L T5 to make it compatible for the Stock 5.0L engine and Where to purchase those parts?
@@Williecash88 YOu have to replace the whole gear set. 1-4 + countershaft. Everything else is the same.
Sorry sir last question concerning this topic... Can the bearing retainer from the 2.3L T5 be re-used with the 5.0L input shaft?
No
Steel bearing retainers are still available from many sources.
I use steel all the time. Cast iron too
What about using a t5 from a v6 sn95/new edge. I've heard they're stronger? Dont know how much truth there is to that. I know you have to use a sn95 v8 bellhousing
Same strength bro
@@Neomustangs alright well I guess I'll be using a v6 t5 then cuz I cant find a v8 t5 at a reasonable price in the ft wayne area
Well a good well built T5 I do is alll day 1000-1200. I mean I put half that in new rebuild kit. Reinforcment parts and anything that looks worn gear wise
@@Neomustangs that's what I mean though. Most people want 800 bucks for a v8 one that needs rebuilt here, I can go get a v6 one for 100 bucks and rebuild it
I had a new edge t-5 in my 94 gt was in for almost 2 years and then started to grind going into 2nd from time to time
And always remember , a 351( factory) takes a 28 Oz offset ( instead of the 52oz) flywheel, don’t try it ,you won’t like it.(duh huh ,duh huh ALSO, if you need the shifter to be toward the middle of the doghouse an S/10 tail is exact( for some odd reason. But also have to have a longer drive shaft right , iOW, just use a benchseat shifter right ? Right!
Right. Thx for info
What is your min to max rebuild price to re-do a V8 T5?? Thanks!
When I do one its done thorough and reinforced. Depends on what it looks like inside.
@@Neomustangs You don't have like an estimated price of a worse case scenario?? Just curious of price and see if it's gonna be worth it to me by the time I pay shipping both ways plus the price of the fix?? Thanks
@@crazyhorseracing6130 I don’t sorry.
@@Neomustangs Ok thanks!!
the bell sound
Yes
Will a 87-93 foxbody t5 work with a 94-95 bellhousing?
No
If you change the input shaft to a 94-95 one yes
Will a z spec t5 hold up with a 408 stroker
No
Would have to tko 600
What would the issues be if I used a v8 bearing retainer on a 4cyl t5? Its not in the car yet. And if it makes a difference it’s the trans is from an 86 svo
You can’t the bearing and input are different
Neomustangs the V8 one won’t fit in the 4cyl?
Defect In Design no the input on the 4cyl bearing and input retainer is larger.
Neomustangs then help me understand how the one off of my V8 T5 fit on my svo T5. Im not trying to prove you wrong. My only hope is I didn’t muck anything up. I lined them up and nothing looked different.
Good luck at the dyno my friend
Neomustangs and not for nothing, I put the bearing retainer from the four-cylinder T5 onto the V8 t5 and it fit just fine. As a matter of fact the input shaft on the V8 ended up with the same amount of slack that was in the four-cylinder when I got it. The bearing retainer that I’ve had on the V8 isn’t very old. it tightened up the SVO input shaft nicely. Retainer was torqued to 20 foot pounds and transmission spins like butter
You say at the begining that the 302 and 351 are the same... How do you figure? The bellhousing cam and heads are only things that are the same
I was referring the to the bellhousing man. This video isn't about the engine...….