Viewer Comments & Questions: 29 April 2019 - That Pedal Show
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1) DO NOT get rid of the dB meter!!! It absolutely helps me understand what you're experiencing when you're listening when you guys might be more impacted than me with a tone and I see that you just heard it at 110 dB.
2) Callahan saddles vid is not just a top TPS vid, it's a top RUclips vid. It's an example of the good that can come out of this social media platform, and the way to do it correctly.
3) If this is dad rock band material, please don't stop.
I appreciate the SPL meter for sure.
i know I am kinda randomly asking but does anybody know a good place to stream new movies online ?
@Austin Brantley I dunno try flixportal. Just google after it:D -zechariah
@Zechariah Felipe Thanks, signed up and it seems like a nice service =) I appreciate it!!
@Austin Brantley happy to help :)
Speaking of merch plugs ... here is an unsolicited testimonial
I used to suffer greatly due to my shabbily made, domestic coasters. I was the laughing stock of all our friends, and my dog refused to sit by me when I was using them. Today, things are completely different after purchasing my extremely well made (imported from ENGLAND!) THAT PEDAL SHOW coasters. My friends enjoy setting things on them -- they often come over just to set things on them -- and my dog simply won't leave me alone. THANKS, Dan & Mick!!
Alrighty Scot, you win, but not only are my TPS shirts the most comfortable ones I own (need more) but my Uncle Paul Wooton, who's played some professional guitar, admired the design.
@@hoboroadie Actually, I think you've won in the category "Wearables" while my first place showing is in the "Things for Setting Things Upon" category. :)
I can see why the flashing dB meter might be annoying people, but please don' get rid of it. I think it's invaluable.
Yes, keep the dB meter.
Mick, I very much appreciate you leaving the chat about mental health in. It's validating and relieving to hear it from you
I didn’t make a comment on the strat video, but know that there are a lot more of us out here who that video helped a lot. I listened on the drive home after getting turned down for a promotion at work that I was sure I was going to get, and was feeling pretty bad about myself. I felt like your comment “to anyone who is feeling down, I get it”, really spoke to me and lifted my spirits. So thank you.
I like the dB meter! Not sure why but if you find it distracting then don't look at it.
Zach Gilbert - that’s the thing about distractions. They’re hard to avoid, if they’ve got your number. I’m on your side re: the love of the meter. I wouldn’t be opposed to a bit of dimming it out if the guys don’t mind the extra work. Perhaps those crying the loudest should use their thumb to cover it up. Or maybe we could hold a vote and we can collectively tell those people where to put their thumbs.
I love the dB meter! The best use is to show my wife that you two talking is 60db! See! I play less than double louder! (Shhhhhh!!)
Scott_T - brilliant 🧠💥
Mick - paused this and went and watched the saddle vid when you started talking about it. Really positive message, and as a fellow sufferer really appreciated.
We need a tee shirt that says “just playin’ with me knobs”
The delay on the 'Whey' was a stroke of genius :)
Yeah baby. This is living!
Pro tip for hearing yourself on stage. I started putting my cab (victory 2x12) horizontally on a keyboard stand to get it up to roughly chest level. NIGHT AND DAY difference in being able to hear it myself without blowing everyone's ears off.
I've done that and also put it on top of a wide road case turned sideways (so it's tall). Mostly, I just put my amps on tilt stands.
An idea for the show. Someone who is not famous, not gigging for a lot of money but is still just a great player and trying to make a living from their craft. Would love to see some up and coming fantastic players. I would loooove to be on this show some day chatting to you guys about gear and amps and guitar in general. It's become one of my dreams.
A show about effects pedals that makes a Star Trek grammar joke? I am in the right place.
Thank you. At least there's one of you out there. The universe is okay.
Amen.
My gosh are people that bothered by the decibel meter? I really appreciate it. Keep it up guys!
17:19 that was post-production trippy. Awesome!
They've been watching Andertons videos.
That Tuesday vlog was about the first episode I've skipped since I've been watching, because I didn't really fancy watching Mick make fiddly little changes to his Strat and then compare the before and after sounds (he will probably detect a difference, I probably won't). I'm going to go back and watch now.
I appreciate it that at a couple of different points you encourage people to go back and watch some old videos. As a long-time viewer--and as you're gaining more and more new viewers--the never-ending questions of "When are you going to do a video about blah-blah-blah?" get annoying when those of us who've been with you a long time know full well you've already done a video (or two!) about blah-blah-blah! You've even done a video about yada-yada-yada! Yes, fellow lovely TPS viewers, these gents have been at it a while now, and there's quite a library of old episodes. Go down that TPS rabbit hole! You'll love it! You'll learn a lot! You'll laugh! You'll cry! You'll hurl! (well, some of you might) CA....po!!!!
I've been a volunteer sound engineer at my church for the last 10 years. We had a little blues jr on stage and could never get it quiet enough. Now we have the amps miked up in a back room and the band is on IEMs. Yay!
Only thing I need to worry about now is when one of our guitar players dials up a super ice picky tone and the other dials up a wall of mud. Unfortunately, this is basically every week. :/
Old engineer trick: give even more of whatever frequency the player is producing too much of in the monitors so they back it off. Can work even better with IEMs.
Hey guys. I’m an audio engineer and I’ve personally loved getting to see the different guitar rigs we mic up and playing with EQs to suite that venue and band style. thank you for all the wisdom, tips and tricks you bring to us about guitar.
Mick you are to be commended for your honesty. Really appreciated it.
Thanks. I almost didn’t watch that episode. While I have a strat I wasn’t thinking much about that saddles so I skipped it. I watched it now. And thanks. But not for the saddles.
Mick; "hitting the drums like your suppose to". Absolutely !
What you said about guitar players setting up their amps so that the sound basically hits your lower legs is spot on. I'm in a two-guitar band and the other fellar, who I love and I love his playing, is always ridiculously loud because "he can't hear himself" because he doesn't set up with any space between him and his cab.
Ex-professional sound guy here - try pointing your speaker(s) at your ears, or put your ears in your ankles - whichever is easier. Then put your ears next to the microphone and adjust accordingly. Regarding monitors at gigs (I play guitar / sing in various ensembles) - I bring my own digital mixing board and in ear monitors, and give the sound guy an ipad to use. Costs $$ but worth it.
Haha!!! It's a fair point!
There's nothing wrong with the dB meter. I'm checking it all the time - find it very useful. It's never distracted me.
On the volume pot bit... Maybe a question to try and answer in that future episode: what OD pedals are the most "bang for your buck," i.e. largest variety of different tones using the same pedal settings and changing only volume (and tone pot)? You've featured the Analogman Sun Faces (among other fuzzes) and showed how they clean up nice, but fuzz brings a whole lot of other challenges (impedance, etc.). What are the "super dynamic" drive and distortion pedals with similar powers?
"WAY Way way way..."
Gold.
The classic version of that chart is the "Carnegie Hall Chart" or Musical Pitch Relation Chart from 1941. A poster of it is included with Bob Katz book - Mastering Audio. Very technical but very awesome book.
7:35: www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=57818
AWESOME BOOK ALERT! i got a book a few weeks ago that is AWESOME it is called 365 GUITARS AMPS AND EFFECTS YOU MUST PLAY it has 320 pages of AWESOME gear [ and KILLER pics of everything ] and is a great size for reading there is all the cool gear you could ever want plus stuff you may not have heard of before.
Are you familiar with the 70's band, "Big Star", They are such a great band. The writer and guitarist was Alex Chilton.
The greatest band that never made it.
I never travel far without a little Big Star ;)
Hi guys. Bit of a long comment. I have been the main guitar player for my church's band for the last five or six years. We usually have two or three big events every year, one of which we play a bunch of blues songs, and until earlier this year, I avoided guitar solos like the plague. Solos feel like trying to bring attention to oneself, which is not the objective in worship music. Anyway, I took Mick's advice to heart about removing the middle man in your playing and, for the very first time, I enjoyed the sound of me playing a solo. Thank you for putting out inspirational and practical knowledge/ideas on top of the immense amount of pure pedal information week to week. Cheers
a solo is part of any music and wrong to leave them out even if its simple its part of song structure
@@joshfowler8360 I understand your point, but I disagree.
For the amp too loud problem - face your amp to a wall or even a window. The sound bounces off it, diffuses and spreads out. Works better with an open back combo obviously. Seen some top blues players use this in smaller venues to great effect. 🧐
I used to put my MkIII Boogie under the stage in some venues! Mick here. Damn think was just as loud out the back as it was the front. Happy days. :0)
Haven't had the chance to watch the video from Friday yet. When I saw the title, I thought of the Foo Fighters - who have the 3. They're a very good modern example of three players working together, with Pat being the link between the bass/rhythm section and the guitars.
I think the reason that live sounds are different comes down to sound pressure levels (SPL).
I spent some time at a Built to Spill room setup/soundcheck with the band and crew when they played at the Buckhead Theater (Atlanta) and was amazed with the audio/spacial analyzing gear, not to mention how perfect the audio was during the show. The tools available are simply incredible.
in some way that will not be free.....great idea guys look forward to supporting TPS in a new way
My lead players favorite saying, "If I can hear you, I can't hear me!"
As recently stated by Bruce Foreman (guitar w*** podcast) regarding the fundamentals of guitar performance.... ‘get a sound, feel the beat, make something happen’
Ill bet john Mayer knows who you are. He watches andertons so.....I'm sure he knows you guys
D Dub This show is far more my taste when compared to Andertons. Similar premise I suppose, but for whatever reason I am a regular TPS viewer, and find Andertons a bit like Chinese water torture.
@@DavidDantePhoenix likewise. I started off with Anderton's but it is too blatantly marketing for me now
Great show boys. Joey Landreth's sound tec, "Shawn McClain" he is fantastic.
Yep. Unbelievable.
We lay our amps on their side pointing up into the room. 14' x 20' or so.
Oh, come on Dan... Not sure if I'm the only one, but I'm under the impression, that your presentation skills have greatly improved over the last year. You sometimes take the lead and provide the information in a structured manner at a good pace, while in earlier shows, it appeared that Mick sometimes had to be the driving force. Or am I completely wrong?
On the topic of antagonized personal relationships, and how they affect what a band does in band mode, I actually experienced the opposite of that, where by the relationship is over challenged in a band setting but when the instruments are put down its all honest and good. In my experience I quit that band. I felt very at odds with the drummer when we played. I never felt like I was connecting with him, and I began to feel very limited playing with that band and it eventually stigmatized how I felt about my playing. It served as a load of contrast for me to find myself on the instrument, and therefore; I do feel better for having my experience in that band. Live, learn, rock!
Two guitars playing the same thing at the same time = Wishbone Ash!!!
BOO-geee!
A comment to the audio engineer talk at 34:00 is this. Since I’ve done it for 40 years, I have to say that anytime the sound from the stage bleeds out in the FOH mix, the ability to make good mix is made pretty much impossible. Stage monitor mix must stay on stage for the most part. Otherwise you can ruin your own gig.
Hard to argue with that. But I often see a guitar artist whose solo sound will poke over the PA in smaller venues. All good, works well! But if it's over the vocals and sounds out of whack, clearly that's crazy!
That Pedal Show I feel that major factor is the size of venue/PA, if the house guy knows his PA is crap, sometime they want the guitar and bass amps cranked to take the load off the PA, but if the PA is big enough the sound guy wants all the control
22:19 the whole reason why I own or have owned so many amps,speakers, cabinets, guitars, pedals,rack units, pickups and pickup sets that have been put in, pulled out, put back in again....wait a year...out again. 40 odd years am I am STILL doing it. Keeps one entertained I guess.
Haven't watched Mick's Strat Saddle episode yet but I'll definitely make sure of it now.
OK. Dan meeting Tuvok is actually AMAZING hahah
HEY GUYS! i remember a game show were if you won you would get like 1 or 2 minutes in like a store to get as much as you could in your cart i would love to have even 1 minute in that room to do the same!
I was going to comment, but then I realized that I'd be commenting on your comments about our previous comments, and where would it end? Thanks for your comments (about our comments).
Hi guys, I can say this for me when it comes to not hearing myself. I have been on the side of "I can't hear myself" as well as "I'm really loud, how come you can't hear me?" Here's something people don't take into consideration - where people are standing. Ok, so you talked about yourself and kicking the amp back, etc, but here's what can also happen. I was rehearsing and my sound would go in and out. I thought something was wrong with my cable, with my pedals, with my guitar. We rehearsed the way we would play live, so my amp was behind me as was the bass player. Well, the bassist was a pretty tall and meaty guy, so when he would walk or stand in front of my amp, I couldn't hear it and neither could anyone else up front, but he could hear it fine. I sounds funny to look back, but it was like, "Don't you hear that? My amp keep changing volume" Bassist's reply, "Nope, sounds fine back here." The same kind of thing can happen with you. If have your amp up on a stand pointed at your mass, people on the other side of it might not be able to hear it, because you are blocking the sound.
I concur. In fact, I sometimes do this on purpose when I have a vocalist complaining about my volume. I place myself directly in the path between my amp and the vocalist. (I also try to move my amp pointing slightly away from said singer). Anyway, excellent tip!
From 1hr to 40 minutes awesomeness thanks 👍
Great vid I remember seeing the strypes in a small venue and they we're louder than iron Maiden
Multiple guitars playing the same part -- if done right live, has some amazing chorusing. q.v. the band Kvelertak.
I'm with you, Mick. I can't play with a treble bleed. I had one installed years ago, thinking that this is naturally something that would sound better, but I was IMMEDIATELY put off by it! I tried to adapt, and give it a chance, but found it to be horrible sounding!I Clipped the connection straight away!
No! I like the DB meter
On hearing yourself,,,a sonic diffuser over the speaker
Regards the concept of improvisation. John Scofield once said that improvisation isn't about making something new, but assembling things you already know.
Hopefully in a new way. They used to call that postmodernism. Because nothing was new so it had to be rehashed in a new way. Hmmm
Yes of course in a new way. I think what Scofield was getting at is the fact that you always come from preexisting knowledge and skill which is then applied in a flow of creativity. Think of it like Legos or language. Sometimes you string together a series of kliché but at the best of times you construct sentences that are fundamentally beautiful and true.
On a side note, in a sonic youth documentary I watched recently Thurston Moore said that he had no interest in 'jamming' but prefers to think of his practice as 'spontaneous composition'.
Dan's comment at 35:00 about the kick drum are so true! Every rock gig I've been to, the kick drum is waaay to loud
I would love to hear your thoughts on blending a guitar rig with maybe a frfr to play backing tracks through. Loud enough to gig, easy to set up, and with good sound quality that is inspiring! Sounds like a full episode guys!
Excited for the volume pot settings and gain stage episode! Especially if it includes some old school fuzz circuits. Also...Tom Misch? Please?
0:54 that is some nice merchandise the shirt is cool too.
I love my TPS mug! I use it proudly and also to evoke the "what the hell is that!?" comments
Ace episode as always.
I'd like to just check whether or not I'm mental, as I change my amp settings from day to day. Not to chase a specific tone but just to what sounds good to me on that day, the room is the same as is the amp and guitar, the only variable are my ears and what they've been subjected to that day. I will say I'm only an intermediate hobbyist but play every day and I'm never happy with the tone that I was perfectly happy with yesterday.
You. Are. As. Normal. As. The. Rest. Of. Us. Bwahahahahahaha
Oh my!
guys, i agree with the talk regarding modern kick-drums around 35:00 in clubs/festivals, i think they mix the kick super heavy because that's the modern scape of a kick when you factor in how all program kicks in (contemporary) pop/dance music is huge and heavy. i think sound people mix real drums that way bc the casual listener's ear is now tuned to that sound. like most other instruments
That episode or something like it should be required viewing for anyone in a band. People get in each other’s way, run over vocalists, play too similar things, over play, all the time. Whether church band, garage/basement jam, bar/pub. It just ruins the musicality of it when each player competes for the audio attention. Simple is usually better. If you don’t have something that fits well, not playing is best. Great concepts.
I'm an uncommon guitar player: yesterday, the other guitarist in a band told me to crank my amp up 'cause, in the middle of the Hotel California dual solo, he didn't hear me! I've react like "Hey, what is your need to hear me? If you know the song, you don't need to hear me, if you trust me you'll know that I'll do the right part!"...and he looked me with a very strange face, probably he didn't expect that reaction...but he went over me and crank it up by itself! And we're laughed our ass off...😊
I told Dan to turn up at the last gig. His reaction was similar. Ha!
🤣🤣🤣@@ThatPedalShow
I am really good at ‘exploring sounds’. 😉
Cowboy chords don't rock? Ha! Go ask Angus Young what he thinks about "cowboy" chords. Ha! Hollow bodies ain't hardcore? Ha! Go ask Malcom. Nuff said.
Great stuff as always fellas. Love the VCQ's.
Nugent's Byrdlands ...
If two guitarists play the exact same riff but don't get it perfectly on time, the wave forms will add up in some places on some frequencies (selectively) and cancel in other places, but on average the volume will be "doubled" (twice the output power, a lot less in perceived volume). The upshot is in some places some frequencies may it a bit boosted or dropped but on average the volume energy is doubled. The same effect type of effects will happen if they play simultaneously, but if they play simultaneously, the effect will be more drastic. If they put out identical sine waves they would cancel in some places completely and in some places have out double the volume (energy). In reality as they don't put out sine waves, the effect will still be a little smeared over space and frequencies, just a little less so.
At least my understanding from the conservation of energy and a little knowledge of wave mechanics.. In case it interested you. Love the show. Please get mick strings back in stock and take my money.
Drummer turned guitar enthusiast here, and yeah, we hate it when all we can hear in a live mix is the bloody kick drum too. There’s a lot of thought and effort that goes into making sure that the mix between kick snare and hihat is naturally balanced when we’re playing, and having such an over-emphasis on 1/3rd of that can be incredibly jarring when you’re trying to hold down a groove and make things sound good.
I learn something every time you guys put out a video. Thank you 😊
I had to replay the bit at 17:21 a couple of times. Gave me a chuckle
I love that Brits call it "GA-rridge Band" and U.S.-ers say "Gah-RAWJ Band"
i did bring up the band thing... glad to see you guys are on board...seriously its a great idea...maybe not for everyday but say once a month all star pedal show..i will buy the first keg
Hi guys - I'm regular viewer and a sound engineer! But more importantly I actually teach sound engineering and have written the A-level study guide on how to capture and mix guitars. If you need a FOH engineers perspective on what I do with electric guitar - reach out. Very happy to talk you about what I do an what I teach. You're right... no two engineers are the same - but happy to share insights if helpful!
Keep it up!
Haven’t you guys covered the various stages of gain in your Guitarist magazine videos? That also related the different types to their compatibility to the main amp and guitar types. I often go back to that one.
Coming from a drummer: You absolutely need to mic the kick drum if your venue seats more than 15 people, or if you're playing rock & roll at even a semi-moderate stage volume.
1: The drummer needs it for monitoring, because it's basically impossible to hear it behind the kit on a normal stage
2: Unless you're on a massive drum riser, the acoustic sound of the kick will hit the front row of people and disappears completely
Count me as someone who doesn't care one whit about the DB meter. It took me about half an episode and now I almost never notice it. When I do it just makes me go "Oh, that was particularly loud/quiet" and then back to the show. I don't understand the consternation.
When I was a young man, would have died before acknowledging this, but yeah, - Taylor Swift has her moments, and okay, Ariana Grande has some rare gifts.Of course, back then, being a dyed in the wool , Pistols/Clash/ Stooges Garage lover, would have denied many on the basis of their social impact,- including many of the "Classic" rock genre.Never played covers, and I've grown to understand,- a good song is a good song,- simple , more complex, whatever.An old friend thought I was screwing with his head because I had Madonna on in the background,- Ray of Light,? - yeah, - what of it, MFer? It's all good, brother,- all...good...
You 2 blokes are bloody hilarious! Cheers!
Bogan has taken over nationwide now Dan. Haven't heard bevan for years 😂
I can confirm and second this, its been a good long while since ive heard of a Bevan. I come from good Bogan stock in S.E. QLD :) where Bevans originated...but ive been in cockroach country/mexico (NSW) for 20 years. Like to point out im a respectable Bogan, havent worn a black t and flannelette shirt and uggs in about 20 years.....
For everyone else playing along: www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bevan
@@adrianmiller1971 hahaha yep, Bevan cracked me up. I think it was just a QLD thing right?
Correct, only ever heard it in the greatest state in the land....
Forget about the megastars, why don't you call in RUclips megastars like Samurai Guitarist, Paul Davids, Steve Steine or R. J. Ranquilio (I am sure I've misspelled his name) and Pete Thorn.
Mostly because they are rarely if ever in the area... It's a bit of a commute from L.A. or Toronto to England just for the chance to appear on a show for free.
@@MarcCoteMusic I am sure they see eachother at industry shows
I love you guys YOU guys are the BEST and one of the MOST INFORMATIVE on the internet. I was wondering if in the future you can make a video INCORPORATING the Laney IRT-X !!!! for DRY/WET comparisons !!! 2 IRT-X's would even be better !!!! Thank you for what you do !!!!!!!
If you want a special on Sound Engineers and their perspective on mixing a gig, talk to Tom Waterman from UA, and his friend Andrew Bourbon. I had the good fortune to study under them at BCU
FWIW, if those Lollars from Mick's saddle video are Low-wind Imperials that are destined for your PRS S2... do it, they're perfect for that guitar IME & IMHO. Rock on, chaps.
“Choosing an overdrive that works for you” - is that episode not out yet or can’t I just find it?... and on backing tracks - please please bring them to the show and to the store!
Thank you, thank you, thank you for doing That Pedal Show. They are the highlights of my week! You guys are so real and interact with each other so well- Its recommended viewing for all my guitar playing friends. It makes even the shows that I may not be that interested in enjoyable. Keep up the good work. Question- Is there anyway to have Riff City have your merchandise such as t-shirts and mugs available? The shipping cost from UK is prohibitive to buying more. I love your stuff!
I have read recently that bass occupying the lower frequency and kick drum above in the range is “old school”, while the opposite is “current” in production conventions. Hip Hop and dance music was blamed for this. I think the compression squashing and louder wars of the digital era is also partly responsible.
17:21, I don't know why I found that as funny as I did - officially lost my s**t! Haha
YEP
That's Jazz!
Dan - have you checked-out the New Retro-Sonic Flanger? Another updated Mistress. Love to Hear-It vs. the Original, Hartman, E-Lady and Roxanne. Also watch Jimmy Page on Since I've been Loving You from The Song Remains the Same - always changing his Drive Level, by moving the Volume Knob.
When that book does get written... pretty sure I know who should write it. ☝🏻....
Problems with neighbours but makes the bassest thing loudest ... which will travel the furthest and bleed through the walls .... hah!
Exactly what I thought. Madness!
Since we all know for certain that John Mayer watches the Anderton’s channel, (given that interaction he had with Lee and Pete at NAMM) I find it unlikely that he hasn’t seen TPS. I think he’s destined to come on the show someday.
Ha! Let's see. I'd prefer it if he had us on Current Mood.
Start thinking about the song you want to play!
That would be special.
Lust for Life - arguably the most marvellous cowboy chord song!
Thinking about changing saddles; Dan, have you ever tried a Tru-Arc bridge on your Gretsch Anniversary? They are pretty amazing. Even my non guitar-playing wiife was astounded at the acoustic change.
I really do enjoy these! Thank you Gents. PS. Always loved the sound of brushes. Listen to the Ocean Rain record by Echo & The Bunnymen, Pete Defratis used them a lot, hitting the drum... like you're supposed to ;)
Also, the negative comments at the end always make me howl with laughter.
Robert Scoville - A lengend on the front of house.
Tee Idea: All i want for Christmas is a Big Muff
Sorry Mick I said that because of the way you frowned when Dan hit the wrong chord. I do love you both. Aloha. And holly shit it’s strange to hear my name on your show! I had forgotten I commented. Good day gentlemen
Sounds guys are an interesting discussion - even the same sound guy can have a great night or an off night. Sometimes they can't be arsed and turn your fader up then spend the rest of your set on their phone. I play in a death metal band and on small stages (as is the metal scene in Vic Aus) and more often than not cannot hear my guitar, but on the occasion that I can, it's great. Sometimes I find that the sound guys crank you in the foldback and it creates an unbearable feedback loop, so I ask them to turn it down - I'd rather hear myself less than have chirping feedback.
My bass player got a Mesa 400+ to compete with my Mesa M180. About the time we started going deaf we tried swapping sides, standing knee-to-cab in front of each other's amps, not our own. Suddenly, we both started turning down so we could hear something other than ourselves. All would have been good if we'd just tried that sooner...