When you read the comments everyone doesn't like west coast railway company but even new the new locos fail if they are that rubbish iam sure they wouldn't buy them as for the colour i like it lovely colour keep going west coast railway
Excellent video and as you say, right place, right time! 👏 No pleasing some other people on here, makes you wonder why they want to view it in the first place. 🤷♂ All credit to West Coast whoever owns it, may they continue doing what they're currently doing ... very well. 😊
Class 37's are used for snowploughs in the worst weather conditions as they are reliable and strong locomotives. Many times they have rescued modern trains and saved the day! Many of the Class 37's are over 60 years old. Even modern trains break down, so don't run down the classic diesels. The class 47's are also reliable machines.
Was it just me or did all that video look great great you was there when you was hopefully everything was sorted out with the 47 and the 3 other 37s cheers Paul
Looked like low air pressure. A quick look at the Gauge would reveal that. Then get down and check the brake blocks on the 37’s. can’t have been a problem as the convoy soon made off.
@@iainfI can tell you exactly what the issue was there! Someone didn’t check the parking brakes you can run for miles on old traction without knowing until it catches fire like 47500 of there’s did at ordsall lane! It’s the classic 5 P’s Proper Preparation Prevents Poor Performance! Only the weight of the trailing load made it stop or it could’ve got miles! I know this because I’m a old hand driver myself and still am
that west coast livery is the most boring livery I've ever seen applied to any diesel loco's it's horrible!!! Nice video of these old-school beasts 🤩😍🥰
Yes I think they should paint their locos in classic heritage liveries like GB Railfreight... West Coast Railways is the real life equivalent of the Reverend Awdry's North Western Railway...
If there was only one driver on the leading loco dragging the 3 locos dead behind him , you could excuse dragging brakes on the back locos if he’s not fully released either straight air brake / handbrake by mistake but there was others on the back locos.
These engines are over 50 years old now, the fact they are still working on the mainline daily is testament to the original design and continued maintenance.
Poor driving. It took him much too long to identify dragging brakes there. Clearly there's no good reason that he should have to be applying that much power to get a string of 4 light engines moving. Applying the straight airbrake to the 47 and walking back to do a visual on the 37 brake blocks would have quickly shown which loco the brakes hadn't released on. This is how heritage loco wheelsets are destroyed by shifted tyres or flats.
Mate, honestly shut up. if you was in that situation you'd go through a whole list of possibilities on what could of coursed the problem. At first you'd think is there something wrong with the engine, then you will work through that list, so shut up you don't know what you are talking about. I think West Coast reacted rather swiftly with that problem.
Relying only the straight air brake to hold it's own weight plus that of another 3 loco's while you leave the cab on a mainline....... That's how you turn a timing fine into a collision.
@@AB-eh9uh these locos are so unreliable that the whole fleet with other operators was scrapped long ago and this old fleet demonstrates they was right and should have been cut up a long time ago
@@damiendye6623 Do modern locomotives ever break down? Of course they do. 37's are around 60 years old so they give occasional trouble. They are used to clear blocked lines because they are rugged and reliable and are used for snowploughs. They are used on the rear of steam hauled trains to help with shunting.
When the WCML is closed and traffic diverted on S&C, these are the very locos called upon to drag the trains over the diversion. Guess what? One of those unreliable locos is more than likely to be used to clear the lines at Euston too. No wire, no electric trains, simples!
Most other operators got rid in order to standardise spares by having one fleet of locos made by the same company; their withdrawal wasn’t really to do with reliability or age, though they were factored in (not that either was particularly poor to be fair). Complete brake-lock incidents like this are very rare, even on 50-60 year old locos like those here, and the timing was particularly unfortunate in this instance given it only had 100 yards further to go. Generally these locos are very reliable when well-maintained, which these ones are. Even modern trains can and sometimes do suffer technical issues from frost, snow or ice. These things happen.
Decent rare footage there, a proper brake lock-on! and shows how easily and quickly a potential issue on our railways could / can happen
As they say, you were in the right place at the right time. Plus you got some great audio as 47804 had a good go!!
Who doesn’t love a good trier.. That duff sounded good! 👍
Yep what were the chances of that! 👍😎
804 sounds bl00dy awesome
Was always a bit of unit that one
Nice video. There is a nice run in the snow from Matlock,which would make a good Christmas video!
Proper Sulzer thrash though! My neighbours liked it too (through the wall on full volume) 🤣
Nice catch.
Nice tractor and duff convoy bet there was some serious wheel slip on the duff trying to pull a stubborn 😣 tractor lol 😆
When you read the comments everyone doesn't like west coast railway company but even new the new locos fail if they are that rubbish iam sure they wouldn't buy them as for the colour i like it lovely colour keep going west coast railway
Pesky Tractors haha. Great noise from the brush 4. Always my favourite loco to drive to this day.
Excellent video and as you say, right place, right time! 👏
No pleasing some other people on here, makes you wonder why they want to view it in the first place. 🤷♂
All credit to West Coast whoever owns it, may they continue doing what they're currently doing ... very well. 😊
Class 37's are used for snowploughs in the worst weather conditions as they are reliable and strong locomotives.
Many times they have rescued modern trains and saved the day!
Many of the Class 37's are over 60 years old. Even modern trains break down, so don't run down the classic diesels. The class 47's are also reliable machines.
Bearing in mind that I’ve spent time on these locos - this very video is showing a Class 37 breakdown…
This is why west coast railway have them 37s all the way
@@brentleajunction They’re a pain to work on though lol
@@bfapple am sure they are but they sound excellent when working though cheers Paul
Indeed it was just a few days ago that 37401 rescued a failed class 66 with an intermodal at Nuneaton
Great and clear video and no music I have subbed too thankyou for sharing with us.😃
Thanks Angela… 😃
Was it just me or did all that video look great great you was there when you was hopefully everything was sorted out with the 47 and the 3 other 37s cheers Paul
It's perhaps fortunate that this happened at Carnforth near to where the locos are based, and not in the middle of nowhere over Shap
Very true, and that would have caused a few red faces! 😄☺️
Looked like low air pressure. A quick look at the Gauge would reveal that. Then get down and check the brake blocks on the 37’s. can’t have been a problem as the convoy soon made off.
It shouldn’t take power if there’s low air pressure.
Probably not releasing fully.
Doesn’t take much pressure for them to stick on surprisingly.
@@iainfI can tell you exactly what the issue was there! Someone didn’t check the parking brakes you can run for miles on old traction without knowing until it catches fire like 47500 of there’s did at ordsall lane! It’s the classic 5 P’s
Proper Preparation Prevents Poor Performance! Only the weight of the trailing load made it stop or it could’ve got miles! I know this because I’m a old hand driver myself and still am
well done Paul
MEINE LORDZ 🔥
What a great place to fail right outside the depot lol great vid
Cheers Kev.. Good choice of location for them if it was going to happen 👍
Great catch! You certainly got more than you bargained for today. 👍👍
Thanks Phil - One of those lucky right place, right time moments you get every once in a while.. 🙏👌
@@trainsplanes Yes! I've had a few, completely unplanned... the best.
This is the dictionary definition of "So near, yet so far", bet they had to pay a hefty delay fine to Network Rail for this. 😳
Agreed - They’ll probably be seeing a bill for this unfortunately.
Pete Waterman is out to ruin rail as much as he ruined the music industry.... 🤣
The current fine if my memory serves me right is £250 a minute
Amazing ❤🚂❤
that west coast livery is the most boring livery I've ever seen applied to any diesel loco's it's horrible!!! Nice video of these old-school beasts 🤩😍🥰
Tell that to david smith
Yes I think they should paint their locos in classic heritage liveries like GB Railfreight...
West Coast Railways is the real life equivalent of the Reverend Awdry's North Western Railway...
Run back and pull the release lever, free end of engine on locked up loco. looks like that was done.
Bet someone in the other Loco leant on the straight air brake by accident.
My lords
Why they didn’t fire up the 37 ‘s to get air pressure to release the brakes???
Why would they need to?
@@davidbarrett1006 because they could supply extra pressure to help release the brakes, Unless they do it or did it in a different way.
A nice little fine coming WC's way then. How long did they block the line?
It was somewhere between 20-30 mins..
@@trainsplanes that'll be a fair few quid then!
shame they don't have the Scottie Dug on Loch Rannoch and Loch Arkaig
Sorry to say but the West Coast Railway livery does not suit these 37’s
Bloody ridiculous trains having to pay to use the tracks!
If there was only one driver on the leading loco dragging the 3 locos dead behind him , you could excuse dragging brakes on the back locos if he’s not fully released either straight air brake / handbrake by mistake but there was others on the back locos.
Wheels would of been a bit flat been dragged from Carlisle !
C the old post pffice now a CAFE or perhaps go 2 the SNUG luvverly
WCR..... purveyors of heritage traction in an incredibly dull livery
NR will cane them!
West Coast,shoddy as usual
These engines are over 50 years old now, the fact they are still working on the mainline daily is testament to the original design and continued maintenance.
Poor driving. It took him much too long to identify dragging brakes there. Clearly there's no good reason that he should have to be applying that much power to get a string of 4 light engines moving. Applying the straight airbrake to the 47 and walking back to do a visual on the 37 brake blocks would have quickly shown which loco the brakes hadn't released on. This is how heritage loco wheelsets are destroyed by shifted tyres or flats.
Got to love a arm chair driver!
Mate, honestly shut up. if you was in that situation you'd go through a whole list of possibilities on what could of coursed the problem. At first you'd think is there something wrong with the engine, then you will work through that list, so shut up you don't know what you are talking about. I think West Coast reacted rather swiftly with that problem.
@@freightspotter3123 well said don't want to be third Sam!.....RUclips it!... will make all none railway staff better armchair critiques
@@grahamallen1970 exactly they think they know best
Relying only the straight air brake to hold it's own weight plus that of another 3 loco's while you leave the cab on a mainline....... That's how you turn a timing fine into a collision.
Soooooo .... are you even gonna tell us WHERE this adventure occurred ?
Yep - It’s in the description.. Looks like you might of missed that. Carnforth is your answer. 👍
Serves them right for having the worst livery in existence today!
Yeah because paint makes this work - dribble more
Doesn't Pete Waterman own this company..?? His trains are nearly as good as his music... 🤣🤣
Nope - David Smith.
@@bfapple - Did Pete previously own it..??
I'm sure I've heard Pete Waterman in connection with West Coast Trains...
I could be wrong though... 🤣
@@BassandoForte No, his business was LNWR (now Arriva TrainCare).
@@BassandoForte no you are wrong
@@darrenwilliams118 - Rare ,but it can happen... 🤣🤣
So steam trains need one of these bags of rubbish on the train yet these bags of rubbish are allowed to block the line. Humm
Why refer to them as bags of rubbish, when steam locomotives can and do suffer plenty of failures too.
@@AB-eh9uh these locos are so unreliable that the whole fleet with other operators was scrapped long ago and this old fleet demonstrates they was right and should have been cut up a long time ago
@@damiendye6623 Do modern locomotives ever break down?
Of course they do. 37's are around 60 years old so they give occasional trouble.
They are used to clear blocked lines because they are rugged and reliable and are used for snowploughs.
They are used on the rear of steam hauled trains to help with shunting.
When the WCML is closed and traffic diverted on S&C, these are the very locos called upon to drag the trains over the diversion. Guess what? One of those unreliable locos is more than likely to be used to clear the lines at Euston too. No wire, no electric trains, simples!
Most other operators got rid in order to standardise spares by having one fleet of locos made by the same company; their withdrawal wasn’t really to do with reliability or age, though they were factored in (not that either was particularly poor to be fair).
Complete brake-lock incidents like this are very rare, even on 50-60 year old locos like those here, and the timing was particularly unfortunate in this instance given it only had 100 yards further to go. Generally these locos are very reliable when well-maintained, which these ones are. Even modern trains can and sometimes do suffer technical issues from frost, snow or ice. These things happen.
Some guys have all the luck. Where had they been picked up from thanks Stephen😮🦺👌⭐️
As it says in the introduction, the convoy had come from Carlisle.
I assume the 37s have been out on patrol duty.