Not for nothing, but this has been going on for a decade or more. People use to ask me to check those silver sticker #s quite a bit back in 2012 and on. Then when I open the box, they would always get a big hit or case hit. That seemed so unfair to me. So at that point I stopped showing sticker #s and made it where people had to roll the dice or pick a number. Also in other products the code # inside the box would tell if you got the case hit. The 8 string # would change for the case hit, but that was in the inside the wrapped box. But once I figured out people could find sequences, I refused to show those sliver sticker #s and made people pick a #. For many years, I would write in sharpie # 1 to 12 on the boxes once the case was opened. Then they had to pick #s or roll the dice. I did this so the people that were following the case, would know I wasn't switching out boxes, etc. I use to draw faces on the Flawless boxes, so people would know that was the leftover box. I would do anything to show that I wasn't switching any boxes out of a case. But I wouldn't show the identifying silver sticker #s to identify them.
Chris you are one of the pioneers in the industry , one of the main reasons I collect cards is from watching your videos when I was a little kid 😅, never knew that’s why you drew the faces lol but that makes sense now 😂
By keeping the sequence secret, you allow the nefarious people to capitalize on that. They could buy cases and resell the ones that wont have the card. If you properly educate the masses on what to look for when buying boxes, you can better prevent people from getting screwed over
Yeah its bullshit. You know this mfer is using the information for himself to get some kabooms. It's pure naivete to think otherwise. By keeping it secret he is just as shady as these guys abusing it.
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How can you ever trust a Panini product again. Until they give the collecting community the persons or persons involved and prosecute them for fraud ing collectors of millions of dollars, I ask all collectors to boycott all their products.
I was one of the 1st members of LMS Breaks. We speak sporadically being that we are on opposite ends of the country. I broke with him because of his integrity. Phenomenal. I'm also so very proud and happy for Kev. & Gio. ...and I can continually be happy that everyone that buys from him will get an equal chance at a monster.
They all are in it together! I have stopped buying boxes and even packs a while ago I will go buy what I want and that's it. These card companies are so dishonest it makes me sick. This stuff has been going on for years! Keep up the good work in exposing these guys. Love the channel!
well i dont think the card maker cares since it the only company allowed to print nba cards, since for some reason thats ok under law that only one company gets the rights to do that, more then one company should be making sports cards but now it looks like one is buying up everything, do you think fanatics will do any better
@@redred222 -We collectors need to make Panini responsible for allowing their product to be coded for hits. Why waste money if you know the company is tacitly engaging in unethical practices or one of its employees is loading boxes to codes?
I love Crown Royale and I love collecting the Silhouettes with the Prime patches in the background. I only buy into breaks if I can pick my team and there was one WhatNot breaker that ran PYT’s. For a good while when the product was new, he would run four breaks a night with each break having 1/4 of a fresh case. I watched these breaks off and on for a few weeks. Anyway, all 10/10 cases that I saw him break the Kaboom would always be found in the final 1/4 of the case. This would drive up the demand for each subsequent break and allow the breaker to get more money for each spot since it was always “Kaboom is live”. Up until the final 1/4 case, which would then be the “Guaranteed Kaboom” break and prices would go way up. I always knew it was fishy, but I figured that the Kaboom box was always in the same position within the case (like 3rd from the bottom on the right for example). Well now I guess that it was even easier than that and for sure these breakers knew the con.
This goes back to when I started. 1989 Upper Deck. Upper left, three packs down… Griffey Jr Rookie. I bought every one in the state. Ha ha and I was just a kid.
Same with the 92-93 Beam Teams. A dealer could open a box pull out the two bean teams and then sit back and smile while the sheep bought up all the duds in search of that $200 Shaq.
It makes sense that a company creates a pattern to allow insiders a way to track or game the system? If someone can figure out the pattern, an insider would know thus and could share that information for a price.
@@kevinhayes7967 I agree it is something that needs to be changed, but I could see why a company would set it up that way. Obviously it is easy to find the hits and that info can and will get out. Makes unopened product worth incrementally less.
I wouldn’t attribute malice where stupidity can be applied. Lazy practice created the pattern, not an evil genius. If they do the same process for all products , one can imagine this pattern would identifiable from a single big hit. You wouldn’t need to buy the info (though you could)
Saw a dude do this today on whatnot, makes me wonder how many breakers and card shop owners know this too and knowingly hold the kaboom for their last break of the night selling the dream in all their early breaks of “kaboom is active” knowing they are holding the kaboom for the last break of night and off loading their shit boxes first pumping the bids on early breaks selling the dream of hitting the kaboom, and even one step further once the breaker finds the code out they just keep the kaboom for themselves and NEVER EVEN PUT IT INTO A BREAK and continue to sell the dream
If breakers do that then they will lose customers and never build a good reputation. Not worth the short term gain but they still do it. Stick to trustworthy breakers
Sports cards are just a scam, why spend the money in hopes of hitting the auto u want when u can buy an autographed helmet from that player from fanatics for a couple 100 bucks
In football, Absolute blasters and hangers weigh more if they contain a Kaboom. Foil vs. paper. I met a kid at Target a few years ago. I was trying to figure out restocks so I could actually open something. He was a reseller and scammer. He would buy everything, take it home and weigh the boxes, then return 99% of it. The friendship didn’t last.
This is not the first time the hologram has been a give-away to the contents. Going old school on you here, but Upper Deck put out a box set in 1991 or 1992 that had a gold version randomly inserted in the cases. Only problem was, you guessed it, the hologram was the give away to the gold version! Now I feel old for remembering this!
The resale values of these boxes are going to PLUMMET, and people who bought these before now have to worry if someone they bought them from knew abut this, and just didn't say anything. I would say this will by far not be the typical case, but you never know with stuff like this.
I don't think it's going to plummet. There'll be always people out there hoping to get a hit. People love to gamble and take risks. It's human nature. Having watched this video, I'm more skeptical to buy anything else besides a case. However, there'll always be a part within me that love that risk taking, even though we know chances are slim. I'm sure there's many people out there that are more extreme than I am and won't even think twice despite these videos.
Other than panini, can anyone think of another company that doesn't answer their phones or respond to emails? They just put out a ton of overprinted junk, with terrible quality control issues. Panini hates us all.
Of course, Panini will quickly switch up the codes and put boxes out that have that code but do NOT contain Kabooms. Easiest way for them to debunk the "theory". They knew this day would come and you can bet they're prepared
Being able to figure out what products have inside by serial #s has been around for many years. People have been buying cases for a long time just to figure out the pattern and reselling the boxes to companies like blowout and Dave&Adams. My LCS has been putting price stickers over the serial #s just for this very reason.
I'd say there is a very high chance this stuff has gone on for years and only a very select group of people were onto it. The people that could figure it out the easiest are of course those massive breakers that do many cases of each product. Would be pretty easy to just take note of what came from what box and compare those stickers to find similar patterns after 4 or 5 cases.
i like how you just blame the breakers like there the ones printing the cards, you know maybe blame the company for putting those stickers like that on the boxs
This is why we break by the case so it's legit. ORIGINS football just released and the booklets can be weighed. Geoff just made a video and got a booklet opening one box.. Everyone has known about scaling cards forever this is nothing new. Panini won't change.. Just stick to trustworthy sellers
The problem with this logic is don’t you think panini also knows which cases are hot. Read pack odds on the Tens of thousands of cases printed yet alll the top cards go to backyard and blez hmmmmmmmm must be a statistical anomaly every single product release….
@@tayjm3375 We just pulled Scottie Logoman so product hits do get spread around. Obviously they have the Boca Raton connection so their boys get the biggest hits. If you want to buy with Scamyard breaks go right ahead. SCR just promotes them everyday
This has probably been a thing for a decade plus. Some inside knowledge among dealers. I have card shops I can’t even buy boxes from because they all feel searched. Every time I hit nothing.
I had a card shop for 20 years. This kind of stuff has been going on for years.. I remember in the early 90s like 92 leaf the hit was always on top left corner. There was codes on Upper Deck back in the day that you could find stuff too. The year they started putting inserts in people were weighing them too. I had a friend that bought a ton of cases and he could find good stuff from the numbers and codes. When I had my shop I had a rule that I never opened my own wax. Also I would open the box and mix the packs before putting them out..
That’s what my local card shop did back in the 90s. He would open the box, mix the packs, and put them back in. Bottom line, if you like ripping you need to find someone you trust to purchase from and stick with them.
@@jeremyharris5176 Yep. I alway made it a rule not to open my own wax. You want people to get good hits and they will come back. I do have to admit I dealt with a few middle men and I never got good boxes from them. Now I see why.
@@carlopulido8949 yea it seemed like I never got anything good when I ordered from Southern hobby back in the day. He even kin of joke he knew where the good stuff was. This was in the 90s
Good on these guys from LMS for helping bring this to light. Sadly I feel these guys are more in the minority than the majority of "breakers" in the hobby. I'm so glad I have no interest in ever buying boxes of modern cards, it just gets more and more shady.
Been breaking with these guys since they started and Kevin with LMS has always been 100 percent. Great pricing and great morals which important . Most breakers are all about the money
Next time i get a case hit , auto ,ect im going to start tracking the holo # im going to start with optic hangers and move on to prizm blaster boxes i have a feeling there are codes across all products
Nothing new....how do you think backyard breaks was hitting all the big cards? Im 100% sure these dealers actually contact big breakers with a big rep or who have allocation and sell the big hit cases for more money than regular boxes.
Don't blame consumers for wanting to get the best cards they can get with their hard earned money....blame panini for either being really careless or being really shady
this has been going on at other companies and since the early 1990s i think its a practice that card manufactures use and people have figured it out guess the card companies dont really care there getting paid anyhow
I’ve noticed this with Topps products as well. I’ve been looking at the sticker code, comparing it with the other boxes around it, and choosing the one that doesn’t seem to fit. Did it with 2021 chrome update, pulled an auto. Did it with 2022 chrome mega, pulled a purple O’Neil Cruz.
@@AP-qn4ex I just compared the boxes codes. You will see them grouped together, I’ve even seen them in numerical order. So if I see the codes all starting with 123xxxxxxxx, I find the box that isn’t
@@PadreGordini so i’m looking at topps chrome products on ebay and i see them starting with scg, sch, and scf. should i be looking for a different sequence other than the scg, sch, and scf or am i looking for a different number sequence which is after the first 3 letters
I remember seeing a video from the Atlantic City national and a guys booth was loaded with at least 100 kabooms and I was like holy crap but now it all makes sense
I remember there was the same sort of thing with the Panini Donruss Soccer RTQ Hobby boxes too. The boxes had a series of numbers printed on the inside flap which would, eventually, indicate a case hit Kaboom or not
In the 80s and 90s I took every good hit out of every store in the city. Rack packs had packing orders so you just needed to know what the back cards were or use your nail to seperate them. Cello packs you can just smear the plastic tight and look through the yellow or white and pull any case or box hit. I went to Target ,walmart,grocery,stores anywhere that had cards and bought all the hits. This is just crazy though.
Similar thing happened last year with 2021 Certified Football but not necessarily with numbers on the front. I noticed after pulling a Fields and Lance RPA out of separate boxes and cases that both contained the “Case Hit” insert card. I thought it may have been a coincidence, so I decided to do some research. I watched tens of case breaks, and sure enough in every case the box that contained the “Case Hit” Insert card had one of the top 5 QB(T Law, Fields, Mac, Lance, and Wilson) RPA in it. Which comes to the concern of mine. The “Case Hit” insert card was thicker stock card than standard base(80pt vs 20pt) which of course weighs more. If breakers figured this out and weighed the boxes they knew which one would contain the QB RPA in it
@@joshvonpohle9624 you’re right I also noticed a similar occurrence with 2021 Absolute and the Kabooms. In the box that contained a Kaboom there was always a top 5 QB RJA along with the Kaboom
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Do not enter any breaks unless the case is opened on camera. I watched breaks on RUclips and kept a spreadsheet for 6 months. It runs across all products. Look at what eBay sellers sell sealed boxes with no reserve constantly and you can tell who is cherry picking.
Longtime busters know this! Why would manufacturers have serial numbers in the first place if it wasn’t to track stuff?! That’s why you had to send the box top with serial numbers I believe when you made a claim that you didn’t get what was promised in a box.
Im tellin ya. This is exactly what dave and adams knows and does. I bought about a grands worth of 2017 Panini Chronicles blasters they had on clearance at their brick and mortar store (like 75ish boxes) and didnt hit one auto and the only guaranteed gold #'d card parallels. D&a had to weight them or know the anomally in serial numbers that have hits and then pulled those boxes outta case and sell off the rest. Shady practice, ive literally spent a ton of money at their store on various sealed products and have never hit anything of real value.
Yep. Been this way for a while. I remember opening cases of UD NFL stuff way back in the day and there would be a couple boxes in each case that would have serial numbers out of sequence on the NFL holograms. Some products is definitely meant something, others not so much.
So, someone can open a case and take out specific nba stickers that held the kaboom card and replace it with another same year and product box... even if the case was opened live the boxes are always off camera and someone can be searching and swapping. I would not break with anyone or even buy boxes from anywhere.
The popular method in other products is to look on the inside of the flap of a box. I remember Revolution and Prizm ( i think) basketball products inside flap boxes could tell what type of autograph subject you would get.
Im sure it is part of the Quality Control / sequencing to make sure they are put in there, and they think no one would catch on. Look at the Hockey series 2 this year with security tags, young guns in every pack and bowman baseball with the security tag....
LOL, just went back and saw Packman's video of a FOTL Crown Royal box he opened for his channel and not only did he hit a Kaboom he also hit a 1/1 card in the same box.
@@badkarma1289 FWIW, I like Packman’s videos. But he’s admitted to being allowed to open boxes early by Panini and more often than not gets stacked FOTL boxes.
I have been saying this since the 2013-2014 year..... I used to break all the time and certain guys would ask me to snap a screenshot of the silver serial number on the box I knew that something was up with that. Been saying that for years now.
As much as I understand him not wanting people to know the code.. he knows and so do others so it's the only way forward. Breakers can quite easily only pick none kaboom boxes
Wow!! As a new guy to the hobby I always kinda figured if there was a way to know this kinda info and there is. Wonder how many ppl got ripped off from this.
My guess is there are combos on all Panini boxes where the numbers correspond to what is in the box. I would say that codes exist for Select, NT, Crown, Prizim. Wonder if there is a code for downtowns on One and One basketball??
i saw the break where the guy pulled a cade 1 of 1 auto when the guy opened the case the guy picked the only box that was turned the wrong way it was weird just recxently on whatnot
A few years ago I was in a group break and someone was asking to see the serial number of the boxes and he mentioned in the chat exactly what's being mentioned in this video, I honestly thought he was either nuts or trolling but now that I see this WOW!
I’ve been saying this for 2 years. I stopped joining mixers immediately. Game over for all the scam group breakers who keep the good boxes for themselves. You can find galactics, mosaic genesis, and prizm blacks for sure with these. I pulled 2 Luka Doncic Genesis from hangers and the code was identical.
not as cool, but I remember the topps walmart factory set with the full parallel sets were easy to spot (full parallel vs base sets) based on the serial number in the MLB logo. I think I went like 12 for 12 guessing them. Unfortunately they don't really carry a huge premium on them unlike finding a kaboom
I said months ago this is fact. I bought a box from fresh case. I didn't receive my Autograph. Contacted them I had to send off box and receipt. Then I got message saying Yeah mess up. I called guy said they know what box every case hit is in and what card it is player and variations. That's how they knew what card to give me. Why everybox has serial numbers.
Going back to the early 2000s, Upper Deck sets used to have an auto jersey as a case hit. There were 12 boxes in the case, 11 of the boxes serial numbers would be in sequential order and one of the boxes would be something different - that box had the case hit jersey auto. So for example the box numbers would be something like 456232501 to 456232511 and then there would be something like 102354743.
back in 2015-16 Prizm basketball we all knew based on the numbers on the inside of the Box ... whether it had the autos, gold, mojos .... so its been going on for a good while
Japanese sumo wrestling cards also have a consistent pattern where the pack with the autograph is in a specific place in the box. Here's a video talking about it where the speakers pull two of them from loose packs. ruclips.net/video/ADIZOerzv58/видео.html
In 2022 they can come up with a procedure to load the packs, and then cases automatically without human intervention? You would think this could be automated in the packing process regardless of a box serial numbers etc.. -- Anyway, great stuff as usual. Hopefully this finally opens some eyes, and gets a response from Panini.
LOL, this is how the breakers and big youtubers seem to get the best cards. Panini shares the code with them so they can pull out the loaded boxes and open it on youtube or whatever to promote the product more. There was a sale of FOTL Crown Royale back in September that had the Kaboom code (which is not very hard to figure out), sold for $1200, all of the ones listed on Ebay now do not have the code. I always suspected the buying orphan boxes on Ebay was a losing endeavor. I've gotten the best cards only when I buy a case of something, not individual boxes that have already been orphaned from a case somewhere. I bet alot of people are going through other sets, boxes, years now trying to crack the case hit code, lol...
I remember in 92, you could get a pack, bottom right in the upper deck box, and it always had a mail in card to get the Shaq rookie. I actually still have both cards. But I don't remember how I found that out 😆
I discovered this long time ago back in 2007 but thought it was best not to tell anyone because everybody would be doing the same thing. Potentially ruining a card shop or card dealer. It's been happening for a while not only with Panini, but with Topps, Pokemon, and Yugioh as well.
@Ekim Lemus It's called a case sequence. The big card will come out of the same box and the same pack from a case. From what I've seen, yugioh has 1 case sequence, which makes it one of the easiest to figure out. Pokemon, on the other hand, has 6 case sequences. You find the right case, you will find the big card.
The 1992-93 Beam Teams were like this. 99% of the time they were always located in the same position in the box. The card show dealers would open the box and pull both beam teams out and then let the sheep buy up the crap in hopes of pulling that Shaq beamer.
you could also push down on the side of the pack and see a dark line if there was a beam team.. I basically paid my way through college back then searching packs for sequences and such.. pulled 120 David Robinson rookies in one night sold them for $800 the next morning.. used to follow the delivery trucks late at night and pay off the Mini Mart workers to let me search entire cases...
That’s awesome. I remember if you put some pressure on the top of the 93-94 upper decks and the top half of the cards shifted slightly it meant an insert was in the middle. Unfortunately they weren’t worth a lot at the time but my friends and I could pull every chase card out of a dealers box in a few seconds. Word quickly got out and the dealers in my area didn’t let anyone fondle the packs.
I think this will work itself out. Its not completely different from back in the day when people knew where cards were by the sequence (a la Jordan Fleer RC etc) or pack/box location in the case. Another similar more recent example is pack fondling/molesting by those creepy 40 year old dudes that you'd see at Target with the scale their mom uses to weigh their meals weighing all the packs. Or they damage all the cards trying to get a peek at the card #s through the translucent wrapper. Bottom line - Breakers who have transparency and continue to pull case hits for their customers will be fine. Shady breakers who never pull anything or only seem to pull stuff in "personals" for a select few "customers" won't.
@@badkarma1289 no one's getting fleeced lol. The price of the box is the price of the box. most of these breakers are the ones doing the fleecing anyway. Nice for the shoe to be on the other foot for a change 🤣. ALSO it may not be a kaboom. It could also be a rookie silhouette with the code.
I’ve tried testing this theory out before (it’s made it’s rounds) with Topps product. I tried with Mega boxes because I didn’t want to spend thousands on cases. It was interesting but nothing I could say for sure without a bigger sample size. Topps Chrome Update was the product. Regardless, this really sucks but not unexpected to finally be confirmed on the big stage.
Not for nothing, but this has been going on for a decade or more. People use to ask me to check those silver sticker #s quite a bit back in 2012 and on. Then when I open the box, they would always get a big hit or case hit. That seemed so unfair to me. So at that point I stopped showing sticker #s and made it where people had to roll the dice or pick a number. Also in other products the code # inside the box would tell if you got the case hit. The 8 string # would change for the case hit, but that was in the inside the wrapped box.
But once I figured out people could find sequences, I refused to show those sliver sticker #s and made people pick a #. For many years, I would write in sharpie # 1 to 12 on the boxes once the case was opened. Then they had to pick #s or roll the dice. I did this so the people that were following the case, would know I wasn't switching out boxes, etc. I use to draw faces on the Flawless boxes, so people would know that was the leftover box. I would do anything to show that I wasn't switching any boxes out of a case. But I wouldn't show the identifying silver sticker #s to identify them.
Chris you are one of the pioneers in the industry , one of the main reasons I collect cards is from watching your videos when I was a little kid 😅, never knew that’s why you drew the faces lol but that makes sense now 😂
Those Flawless drawings were Michelangelo-esque
Best in the biz
Truly is only of you in the world Chris. Best stream to leave on during the day while I work
Chris is the first person I bought from on camera yes I remember when guys use to ask about looking at the sticker
By keeping the sequence secret, you allow the nefarious people to capitalize on that. They could buy cases and resell the ones that wont have the card. If you properly educate the masses on what to look for when buying boxes, you can better prevent people from getting screwed over
Of, just don’t purchase a product that so easily can be abused. Same thing happened in Pokémon and they had to create a new system.
Yeah its bullshit. You know this mfer is using the information for himself to get some kabooms. It's pure naivete to think otherwise.
By keeping it secret he is just as shady as these guys abusing it.
Hats off to LMS for doing the right thing and bringing this to light.
Get SCR to DM you the sequence first!
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Lots of breakers and LCS are not happy about this being exposed
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How can you ever trust a Panini product again. Until they give the collecting community the persons or persons involved and prosecute them for fraud ing collectors of millions of dollars, I ask all collectors to boycott all their products.
Being severely green to collecting, videos like this scare the shit out of me but I’m so grateful there’s good guys like this in the hobby
I was one of the 1st members of LMS Breaks. We speak sporadically being that we are on opposite ends of the country. I broke with him because of his integrity. Phenomenal. I'm also so very proud and happy for Kev. & Gio. ...and I can continually be happy that everyone that buys from him will get an equal chance at a monster.
They all are in it together! I have stopped buying boxes and even packs a while ago I will go buy what I want and that's it. These card companies are so dishonest it makes me sick. This stuff has been going on for years! Keep up the good work in exposing these guys. Love the channel!
You guys continue to be the most important channel in the hobby, always holding people accountable it’s needed now more than ever!
I’m in Vegas acting like a degen rn 😂
@@2byfycards378 here degen. Nco 596 is the coding. Theirs mine for the day. Lol
well i dont think the card maker cares since it the only company allowed to print nba cards, since for some reason thats ok under law that only one company gets the rights to do that, more then one company should be making sports cards but now it looks like one is buying up everything, do you think fanatics will do any better
My man degen rips
@@redred222 -We collectors need to make Panini responsible for allowing their product to be coded for hits. Why waste money if you know the company is tacitly engaging in unethical practices or one of its employees is loading boxes to codes?
I love Crown Royale and I love collecting the Silhouettes with the Prime patches in the background. I only buy into breaks if I can pick my team and there was one WhatNot breaker that ran PYT’s. For a good while when the product was new, he would run four breaks a night with each break having 1/4 of a fresh case. I watched these breaks off and on for a few weeks. Anyway, all 10/10 cases that I saw him break the Kaboom would always be found in the final 1/4 of the case. This would drive up the demand for each subsequent break and allow the breaker to get more money for each spot since it was always “Kaboom is live”. Up until the final 1/4 case, which would then be the “Guaranteed Kaboom” break and prices would go way up. I always knew it was fishy, but I figured that the Kaboom box was always in the same position within the case (like 3rd from the bottom on the right for example). Well now I guess that it was even easier than that and for sure these breakers knew the con.
Who was it on Whatnot?
Yeah you're going to see this all over eBay now. extra jacked up prices for the boxes with Kabooms. Hot boxes LOL
This goes back to when I started. 1989 Upper Deck. Upper left, three packs down… Griffey Jr Rookie. I bought every one in the state. Ha ha and I was just a kid.
really? is that tru?
Then the Larry Johnson a year or two later. You could open one pack n count to find where all 3-4 were in the box
@@Firecracker321g it is.
@@Firecracker321g or it was. That’s why most boxes now will never have more than one. They’ve been picked
Same with the 92-93 Beam Teams. A dealer could open a box pull out the two bean teams and then sit back and smile while the sheep bought up all the duds in search of that $200 Shaq.
It makes sense. If they need one box in each case that has a case hit, they somehow have to know which boxes have the case hit to seed the cases.
No they don’t. Weiss tcg pull rate is 1 ssp per case and there is absolutely no way to find out where it is unless you rip.
It makes sense that a company creates a pattern to allow insiders a way to track or game the system? If someone can figure out the pattern, an insider would know thus and could share that information for a price.
@@kevinhayes7967 exactly like say panini employee selling info to breakers like byb
@@kevinhayes7967 I agree it is something that needs to be changed, but I could see why a company would set it up that way. Obviously it is easy to find the hits and that info can and will get out. Makes unopened product worth incrementally less.
I wouldn’t attribute malice where stupidity can be applied. Lazy practice created the pattern, not an evil genius.
If they do the same process for all products , one can imagine this pattern would identifiable from a single big hit.
You wouldn’t need to buy the info (though you could)
Saw a dude do this today on whatnot, makes me wonder how many breakers and card shop owners know this too and knowingly hold the kaboom for their last break of the night selling the dream in all their early breaks of “kaboom is active” knowing they are holding the kaboom for the last break of night and off loading their shit boxes first pumping the bids on early breaks selling the dream of hitting the kaboom, and even one step further once the breaker finds the code out they just keep the kaboom for themselves and NEVER EVEN PUT IT INTO A BREAK and continue to sell the dream
If breakers do that then they will lose customers and never build a good reputation. Not worth the short term gain but they still do it. Stick to trustworthy breakers
this is why you don't break with breakers you don't know or trust.
Sports cards are just a scam, why spend the money in hopes of hitting the auto u want when u can buy an autographed helmet from that player from fanatics for a couple 100 bucks
In football, Absolute blasters and hangers weigh more if they contain a Kaboom. Foil vs. paper. I met a kid at Target a few years ago. I was trying to figure out restocks so I could actually open something. He was a reseller and scammer. He would buy everything, take it home and weigh the boxes, then return 99% of it. The friendship didn’t last.
Geeze why not weigh at store. Cost of gas is no joke.
You guys were never friends to begin with, all you were to him was a potential sucker, sorry to say.
@@2UGamingProductions most stores caught on to that
@@bobbywest8460 imagine someone using the fruit scales to weigh boxes
You're not allowed to return sports cards, so he was lying
This is not the first time the hologram has been a give-away to the contents. Going old school on you here, but Upper Deck put out a box set in 1991 or 1992 that had a gold version randomly inserted in the cases. Only problem was, you guessed it, the hologram was the give away to the gold version! Now I feel old for remembering this!
The resale values of these boxes are going to PLUMMET, and people who bought these before now have to worry if someone they bought them from knew abut this, and just didn't say anything. I would say this will by far not be the typical case, but you never know with stuff like this.
I don't think it's going to plummet. There'll be always people out there hoping to get a hit. People love to gamble and take risks. It's human nature.
Having watched this video, I'm more skeptical to buy anything else besides a case. However, there'll always be a part within me that love that risk taking, even though we know chances are slim. I'm sure there's many people out there that are more extreme than I am and won't even think twice despite these videos.
@@SingaporeFriedrice you are delusional.
You can literally watch five or six videos and figure out the code. Wow, hell of a revelation.
@@MrWiggleWiggles oh the lids been blown, twitter has been a buzz
So basically don't buy into panini breaks unless it's a sealed case?
I wouldn't buy into any Panini Break.
The best sealed cases aren’t being sent to regular joes trust me
Basically don't buy into breaks unless you're a degen.
No pannini, no way!!!
Other than panini, can anyone think of another company that doesn't answer their phones or respond to emails? They just put out a ton of overprinted junk, with terrible quality control issues. Panini hates us all.
This hobby is compromised boys. ✌️this is all I needed to hear
Of course, Panini will quickly switch up the codes and put boxes out that have that code but do NOT contain Kabooms. Easiest way for them to debunk the "theory". They knew this day would come and you can bet they're prepared
They can’t reship cards they already released, we just need to backtrack these methods thru previous years
Being able to figure out what products have inside by serial #s has been around for many years. People have been buying cases for a long time just to figure out the pattern and reselling the boxes to companies like blowout and Dave&Adams. My LCS has been putting price stickers over the serial #s just for this very reason.
I'd say there is a very high chance this stuff has gone on for years and only a very select group of people were onto it. The people that could figure it out the easiest are of course those massive breakers that do many cases of each product. Would be pretty easy to just take note of what came from what box and compare those stickers to find similar patterns after 4 or 5 cases.
i like how you just blame the breakers like there the ones printing the cards, you know maybe blame the company for putting those stickers like that on the boxs
This is why we break by the case so it's legit. ORIGINS football just released and the booklets can be weighed. Geoff just made a video and got a booklet opening one box.. Everyone has known about scaling cards forever this is nothing new. Panini won't change.. Just stick to trustworthy sellers
Exactly. Everyone has known except for the defenders of the pan. They say it’s impossible to know where the hits are in serial numbered boxes
The problem with this logic is don’t you think panini also knows which cases are hot. Read pack odds on the Tens of thousands of cases printed yet alll the top cards go to backyard and blez hmmmmmmmm must be a statistical anomaly every single product release….
@@tayjm3375 We just pulled Scottie Logoman so product hits do get spread around. Obviously they have the Boca Raton connection so their boys get the biggest hits. If you want to buy with Scamyard breaks go right ahead. SCR just promotes them everyday
Boxes have code too not just the cases ..you can find the code
This has probably been a thing for a decade plus. Some inside knowledge among dealers. I have card shops I can’t even buy boxes from because they all feel searched. Every time I hit nothing.
I had a card shop for 20 years. This kind of stuff has been going on for years.. I remember in the early 90s like 92 leaf the hit was always on top left corner. There was codes on Upper Deck back in the day that you could find stuff too. The year they started putting inserts in people were weighing them too. I had a friend that bought a ton of cases and he could find good stuff from the numbers and codes. When I had my shop I had a rule that I never opened my own wax. Also I would open the box and mix the packs before putting them out..
That’s what my local card shop did back in the 90s. He would open the box, mix the packs, and put them back in. Bottom line, if you like ripping you need to find someone you trust to purchase from and stick with them.
@@jeremyharris5176 Yep. I alway made it a rule not to open my own wax. You want people to get good hits and they will come back. I do have to admit I dealt with a few middle men and I never got good boxes from them. Now I see why.
@@themediamarauder1582 The middle man gave bad boxes or cases?
@@carlopulido8949 yea it seemed like I never got anything good when I ordered from Southern hobby back in the day. He even kin of joke he knew where the good stuff was. This was in the 90s
Good on these guys from LMS for helping bring this to light. Sadly I feel these guys are more in the minority than the majority of "breakers" in the hobby. I'm so glad I have no interest in ever buying boxes of modern cards, it just gets more and more shady.
Been breaking with these guys since they started and Kevin with LMS has always been 100 percent. Great pricing and great morals which important . Most breakers are all about the money
Next time i get a case hit , auto ,ect im going to start tracking the holo # im going to start with optic hangers and move on to prizm blaster boxes i have a feeling there are codes across all products
There is
Nothing new....how do you think backyard breaks was hitting all the big cards? Im 100% sure these dealers actually contact big breakers with a big rep or who have allocation and sell the big hit cases for more money than regular boxes.
Caruso: Well Frank, it looks like Panini just hit a Kaboom of their own
*"Won't Get Fooled Again" blares in background*
Don't blame consumers for wanting to get the best cards they can get with their hard earned money....blame panini for either being really careless or being really shady
this has been going on at other companies and since the early 1990s i think its a practice that card manufactures use and people have figured it out guess the card companies dont really care there getting paid anyhow
I don't think they are being shady I think that's how they can guarantee a case hit when packing boxes
I’ve noticed this with Topps products as well. I’ve been looking at the sticker code, comparing it with the other boxes around it, and choosing the one that doesn’t seem to fit. Did it with 2021 chrome update, pulled an auto. Did it with 2022 chrome mega, pulled a purple O’Neil Cruz.
what did you look for?
@@AP-qn4ex I just compared the boxes codes. You will see them grouped together, I’ve even seen them in numerical order. So if I see the codes all starting with 123xxxxxxxx, I find the box that isn’t
@@AP-qn4ex The outlier. I've now looked at 4 color blast pulls through Obsidian openings on YT and they all had an outlier code.
@@PadreGordini so i’m looking at topps chrome products on ebay and i see them starting with scg, sch, and scf. should i be looking for a different sequence other than the scg, sch, and scf or am i looking for a different number sequence which is after the first 3 letters
@@Optable are the outliers after the first 3 letters or am i looking for different 3 letters
I remember seeing a video from the Atlantic City national and a guys booth was loaded with at least 100 kabooms and I was like holy crap but now it all makes sense
I've seen these type of guys also and also wondered. Now we know how they've been doing it.
More shadiness in the hobby… I’m beyond shocked! Especially, when the industry has honest people like Ken Goldin to learn from 😂
that is the funniest thing I have read this year, good job! Goldin is a crook.
Backyard breaks probably gamed this explains a lot now
I remember there was the same sort of thing with the Panini Donruss Soccer RTQ Hobby boxes too. The boxes had a series of numbers printed on the inside flap which would, eventually, indicate a case hit Kaboom or not
The inside flap is one thing, but the outside part where people can see the sticker is another.
In the 80s and 90s I took every good hit out of every store in the city. Rack packs had packing orders so you just needed to know what the back cards were or use your nail to seperate them. Cello packs you can just smear the plastic tight and look through the yellow or white and pull any case or box hit.
I went to Target ,walmart,grocery,stores anywhere that had cards and bought all the hits. This is just crazy though.
My wife told me I was crazy for keeping all of the boxes I opened and cataloging what I got from the box.
My wife...thought that as well...until she saw my 🤯...she now likes the hobby as well.
With Kabooms in the new Chronicles Draft Picks have these guys tested the sequence on those?
Similar thing happened last year with 2021 Certified Football but not necessarily with numbers on the front. I noticed after pulling a Fields and Lance RPA out of separate boxes and cases that both contained the “Case Hit” insert card. I thought it may have been a coincidence, so I decided to do some research. I watched tens of case breaks, and sure enough in every case the box that contained the “Case Hit” Insert card had one of the top 5 QB(T Law, Fields, Mac, Lance, and Wilson) RPA in it. Which comes to the concern of mine. The “Case Hit” insert card was thicker stock card than standard base(80pt vs 20pt) which of course weighs more. If breakers figured this out and weighed the boxes they knew which one would contain the QB RPA in it
I’ve seen that happen in a few products over the past 2 years
@@joshvonpohle9624 you’re right I also noticed a similar occurrence with 2021 Absolute and the Kabooms. In the box that contained a Kaboom there was always a top 5 QB RJA along with the Kaboom
Like with the fire emoji hit in optic football. You pull that card then you know a downtown is coming. I finally hit it and both were t-law.
KABOOOMMMMMM !!!! I KNEW SPORTS CARD RADIO WAS ONTO SOMETHING AND HERE WE GO LADIES and gents !! TIME TO ROLL BACK THE CAMERA ON THE CODES TO SOME OF THE OTHER PRODUCTS CASE HITS !!!!
So who is the D-bag breaker that conned their way into a Kaboom? Would be nice for us that might want to do future breaks to know who to avoid.....
Do not enter any breaks unless the case is opened on camera. I watched breaks on RUclips and kept a spreadsheet for 6 months. It runs across all products. Look at what eBay sellers sell sealed boxes with no reserve constantly and you can tell who is cherry picking.
Better off spendin money on ebay cherry picking or buying fotl since theyre all hitting floor on panini
Panini just ruined breaking. No breaker is going to put a loaded box into circulation. They will absolutely keep it for themselves.
Longtime busters know this! Why would manufacturers have serial numbers in the first place if it wasn’t to track stuff?! That’s why you had to send the box top with serial numbers I believe when you made a claim that you didn’t get what was promised in a box.
Im tellin ya. This is exactly what dave and adams knows and does. I bought about a grands worth of 2017 Panini Chronicles blasters they had on clearance at their brick and mortar store (like 75ish boxes) and didnt hit one auto and the only guaranteed gold #'d card parallels. D&a had to weight them or know the anomally in serial numbers that have hits and then pulled those boxes outta case and sell off the rest. Shady practice, ive literally spent a ton of money at their store on various sealed products and have never hit anything of real value.
I’m not surprised one bit. Thank you for that bit of information. Sorry for company taking advantage of you.
I’d love to see someone look into backyard breaks hits and see how many of their hits have the code sequence in them
Yep. Been this way for a while. I remember opening cases of UD NFL stuff way back in the day and there would be a couple boxes in each case that would have serial numbers out of sequence on the NFL holograms. Some products is definitely meant something, others not so much.
Thank you guys ALL INVOLVED! I knew it! I said the serial numbers all through live stream about backdoor breaks
🤦
So, someone can open a case and take out specific nba stickers that held the kaboom card and replace it with another same year and product box... even if the case was opened live the boxes are always off camera and someone can be searching and swapping. I would not break with anyone or even buy boxes from anywhere.
Do packs/boxes even say "cards/inserts are randomly inserted" anymore?
The popular method in other products is to look on the inside of the flap of a box. I remember Revolution and Prizm ( i think) basketball products inside flap boxes could tell what type of autograph subject you would get.
Im sure it is part of the Quality Control / sequencing to make sure they are put in there, and they think no one would catch on. Look at the Hockey series 2 this year with security tags, young guns in every pack and bowman baseball with the security tag....
I'm noticing not long ago breakers were opening the boxes off camera and just putting the packs on the table, how long have they known about this??
so what about sealed cases ??
I quit buying new products, I only buy vintage/fav players now.
LOL, just went back and saw Packman's video of a FOTL Crown Royal box he opened for his channel and not only did he hit a Kaboom he also hit a 1/1 card in the same box.
Hmmm, you don't say . . . His simps will be along soon to white knight for him.
@@badkarma1289 FWIW, I like Packman’s videos. But he’s admitted to being allowed to open boxes early by Panini and more often than not gets stacked FOTL boxes.
I have been saying this since the 2013-2014 year..... I used to break all the time and certain guys would ask me to snap a screenshot of the silver serial number on the box
I knew that something was up with that. Been saying that for years now.
It's about time you two Dudes showed up to the scene.
As much as I understand him not wanting people to know the code.. he knows and so do others so it's the only way forward. Breakers can quite easily only pick none kaboom boxes
This blows my mind. Great video & information guys!
Wow!! As a new guy to the hobby I always kinda figured if there was a way to know this kinda info and there is. Wonder how many ppl got ripped off from this.
My guess is there are combos on all Panini boxes where the numbers correspond to what is in the box. I would say that codes exist for Select, NT, Crown, Prizim. Wonder if there is a code for downtowns on One and One basketball??
i saw the break where the guy pulled a cade 1 of 1 auto when the guy opened the case the guy picked the only box that was turned the wrong way it was weird just recxently on whatnot
A few years ago I was in a group break and someone was asking to see the serial number of the boxes and he mentioned in the chat exactly what's being mentioned in this video, I honestly thought he was either nuts or trolling but now that I see this WOW!
Probably a buyer for Backdoor Bros.
I’ve been saying this for 2 years. I stopped joining mixers immediately. Game over for all the scam group breakers who keep the good boxes for themselves. You can find galactics, mosaic genesis, and prizm blacks for sure with these. I pulled 2 Luka Doncic Genesis from hangers and the code was identical.
What’s the code?
Exactly give the code 🤣🤣 what year too
I think they should open up the boxes,take the packs out, shuffle them around so no one can cheat on a break
This is also similar to Downtown, I saw some can spot it per case.
Yep, confirming this when a breaker knew which boxes to get with high rate of accuracy.
not as cool, but I remember the topps walmart factory set with the full parallel sets were easy to spot (full parallel vs base sets) based on the serial number in the MLB logo. I think I went like 12 for 12 guessing them. Unfortunately they don't really carry a huge premium on them unlike finding a kaboom
"the whole 'havent pulled a kaboom yet" takes on a whole new meaning.....
Does this lower the value of Kaboom cards?
Think in 2009-10 basketball timeless treasure the bottom boxes of the case had the big hits
I said months ago this is fact. I bought a box from fresh case. I didn't receive my Autograph. Contacted them I had to send off box and receipt. Then I got message saying Yeah mess up. I called guy said they know what box every case hit is in and what card it is player and variations. That's how they knew what card to give me. Why everybox has serial numbers.
Also need to make everyplace weight the same
Going back to the early 2000s, Upper Deck sets used to have an auto jersey as a case hit. There were 12 boxes in the case, 11 of the boxes serial numbers would be in sequential order and one of the boxes would be something different - that box had the case hit jersey auto. So for example the box numbers would be something like 456232501 to 456232511 and then there would be something like 102354743.
If u know how to follow numeric patterns it would be pretty easy for somebody with a decent level of intelligence to figure it out
LMS YOU JUST EARNED ALL MY BUSINESS. THANK YOU!
back in 2015-16 Prizm basketball we all knew based on the numbers on the inside of the Box ... whether it had the autos, gold, mojos .... so its been going on for a good while
On the lid ?
So u had to open anyways that'd no good
@@lukaspuente5765 yea...
Japanese sumo wrestling cards also have a consistent pattern where the pack with the autograph is in a specific place in the box. Here's a video talking about it where the speakers pull two of them from loose packs.
ruclips.net/video/ADIZOerzv58/видео.html
I was today years old when I found out there are people who collect modern sumo cards and have channels about it. Good stuff!
In 2022 they can come up with a procedure to load the packs, and then cases automatically without human intervention? You would think this could be automated in the packing process regardless of a box serial numbers etc.. -- Anyway, great stuff as usual. Hopefully this finally opens some eyes, and gets a response from Panini.
LOL, this is how the breakers and big youtubers seem to get the best cards. Panini shares the code with them so they can pull out the loaded boxes and open it on youtube or whatever to promote the product more. There was a sale of FOTL Crown Royale back in September that had the Kaboom code (which is not very hard to figure out), sold for $1200, all of the ones listed on Ebay now do not have the code. I always suspected the buying orphan boxes on Ebay was a losing endeavor. I've gotten the best cards only when I buy a case of something, not individual boxes that have already been orphaned from a case somewhere. I bet alot of people are going through other sets, boxes, years now trying to crack the case hit code, lol...
They over saturated kabooms. They’re on downtown level now.
They're both hyper modern trash.
Wait so was it the numbers themselves or where the numbers are located ?
I remember in 92, you could get a pack, bottom right in the upper deck box, and it always had a mail in card to get the Shaq rookie. I actually still have both cards. But I don't remember how I found that out 😆
I discovered this long time ago back in 2007 but thought it was best not to tell anyone because everybody would be doing the same thing. Potentially ruining a card shop or card dealer. It's been happening for a while not only with Panini, but with Topps, Pokemon, and Yugioh as well.
Absolutely no way to tell with pokemon or yughioh
@@410TheFlipper Yes there is. Do you remember when Sun and Moon Pokemon boxes were mapped? It still is in a way. Works with Yugioh too.
@Ekim Lemus It's called a case sequence. The big card will come out of the same box and the same pack from a case. From what I've seen, yugioh has 1 case sequence, which makes it one of the easiest to figure out. Pokemon, on the other hand, has 6 case sequences. You find the right case, you will find the big card.
I appreciate you guys for this. I have heard the same is true with One and One boxes.
What breaker was that at the beginning?
Could this be considered insider trading if they know? Wire fraud ? Gotta be something there as it’s know longer a game of chance.
I remember back in 2019-20 seeing a forum post about being able to spot big hits from Prizm basketball
The 1992-93 Beam Teams were like this. 99% of the time they were always located in the same position in the box. The card show dealers would open the box and pull both beam teams out and then let the sheep buy up the crap in hopes of pulling that Shaq beamer.
you could also push down on the side of the pack and see a dark line if there was a beam team.. I basically paid my way through college back then searching packs for sequences and such.. pulled 120 David Robinson rookies in one night sold them for $800 the next morning.. used to follow the delivery trucks late at night and pay off the Mini Mart workers to let me search entire cases...
That’s awesome. I remember if you put some pressure on the top of the 93-94 upper decks and the top half of the cards shifted slightly it meant an insert was in the middle. Unfortunately they weren’t worth a lot at the time but my friends and I could pull every chase card out of a dealers box in a few seconds. Word quickly got out and the dealers in my area didn’t let anyone fondle the packs.
I think this will work itself out. Its not completely different from back in the day when people knew where cards were by the sequence (a la Jordan Fleer RC etc) or pack/box location in the case. Another similar more recent example is pack fondling/molesting by those creepy 40 year old dudes that you'd see at Target with the scale their mom uses to weigh their meals weighing all the packs. Or they damage all the cards trying to get a peek at the card #s through the translucent wrapper. Bottom line - Breakers who have transparency and continue to pull case hits for their customers will be fine. Shady breakers who never pull anything or only seem to pull stuff in "personals" for a select few "customers" won't.
Broke back Brad and Canal Street Ken are the best names in the game
So what's the code sequence? Did I miss it? I want to go to my lcs and test this
Nco596
Sounds like someone who works at panini is getting paid by breakers. Probably friends.
you know what you're doing, keep up the good work
So who was the breaker that bought the kaboom box.
If the code is NC05960, there's a kaboom. If it's a different number at that point in the sequence. No dice.
Not exactly true. And keep it to yourself
@@Nogame7_Cards keeping it to myself isn't gonna do any good. This video has already ruined any secrecy there was.
@@e-man7143 no doubt. And I was just joking. Flood gates are already open..
@@e-man7143 Yeah, keep it to yourself, so countless innocent people can continue to get fleeced.
@@badkarma1289 no one's getting fleeced lol. The price of the box is the price of the box. most of these breakers are the ones doing the fleecing anyway. Nice for the shoe to be on the other foot for a change 🤣. ALSO it may not be a kaboom. It could also be a rookie silhouette with the code.
I found this issue with NBA mosiac chronicles and mosiac mega/blaster boxes of road to world cup.
I believe all products do this so they can guarantee a case hit
I’ve tried testing this theory out before (it’s made it’s rounds) with Topps product. I tried with Mega boxes because I didn’t want to spend thousands on cases. It was interesting but nothing I could say for sure without a bigger sample size. Topps Chrome Update was the product. Regardless, this really sucks but not unexpected to finally be confirmed on the big stage.
Kevin and Geo are unicorns in the breakers world. Honest…..
So I guess it's no longer a Tesla
I can't believe nobody has thought of this until now. Its probally like that with any big hits. Aka Logo man. BYB
Hey at least they rip it for someone else 😂☠️
Wow....! This why I followed you. Thanks for this brother! Keep feeding us GEMS 💥💥💥💯💯💯🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽