August 14 - Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2019
- On this day in Tudor history, 14th August 1473, Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury, was born.
Margaret Pole is an interesting lady - the niece of Edward IV, Countess of Salisbury in her own right, governess to Mary I... and she came to a rather awful and sticky end.
Let Claire Ridgway, founder of the Tudor Society, tell you a bit more about this fascinating Tudor lady and what happened to her.
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Margaret Pole's story is just so horrifically tragic. I really hope she's extremely happy in the afterlife ( if there is one).
Margaret is the one figure in Tudor history that literally was super innocent. I love her and feel deep empathy.
and don't forget poor Maggie's brother, also an innocent.
Her son was guilty of his mothers death just by saying & having it in print about the great devorse, he knew Henry wouldn't let him get away with this completely, "I'l make him weep tears of blood", & one after the other all those left in England were executed, doupt anyone could be so bad as to take 11 strikes of the axe, me thinks she hated Henry 8th & knew she'd not go to the slaughter like a lamb, they didn't even build a gallows for her, just placed the block on the ground. She wouldn't let Henry 8th kill her quick & move on hence she dodged the axeman & runing from him made it a bloody afair, this so Henry would be told she died not as a lamb but as the mother of the true heir of the thrown Henry sat on. R.I.P ⚘
She had an extremely sad life after Henry the 7th became king and I think some 10 years afterwards her innocent brother was executed when he didn't even have the mentality of no more than about a twelve-year-old by the time he was 18. That was so sad because that poor young man didn't even know what the scaffold was when he was going up.
Henry the 8th wanted their family executed because of some said Traders letters the family received from Margaret son Reginald Pole. Reggie with a cardinal in Italy and I think Henry was just angry that he could not ever catch Reggie himself or have his Hitman do it for him.
Margaret was always the sweetest person and was even the governess to Henry Tudor's oldest daughter Mary.
Earl of Warwick was innocent he was executed for no reason except he escaped the tower the poor guy was was treated badly by henry 7
@@chadmonk163 the Earl of Warwick or Richard Neville died fighting Edward the Fourth
11 strikes is just horrid. Especially, for a little old lady.. So Sad.
LN He was threatened by her possibly legitimate claim to his thrown. Killing her officially shut down the Wars of the Roses for good. Henry VIII was an insecure tyrant
I didn't realize that she went through a brutal killing like that!!! So 💔
I love that her parents were some the most important people during the wars of the roses a daughter of Warwick and York. She was a part of such a long span and so much tragedy she faced. She's truly one of the most intriguing unnoticed persons from her time period.
Thankyou Claire for another great rendition of this poor old Countess...The cruelty that Henry was capable of...never ceases to amaze me....what a horrible thought to have been put through a n execution of 15 strokes of the axe running round or on her knees....I remember Years ago when a Yeoman of the Guard gave a talk on this when we were taken by the school to the tower of London...he was nearly in tears...I will never forget it...the story had that much effect on him...very sad....Rest in peace Margaret Pole...
Rest in Peace Blessed Margaret Pole.
There is a schematized depiction of her execution in the church of the Venerable English College in Rome. God bless you Margaret Pole a true Lady!!!
It gets more and more difficult to maintain any admiration for Henry VIII despite some of the good things he did accomplish. Even looking at events like this through Medieval eyes and standards of the time, it's hard to imagine the cruelty and barbaric behavior of this man, although we certainly still have plenty of the same in our times. Nothing new under the sun. Rest in peace, Margaret. Thank you, Claire, for giving us lots to think about.
Staying alive was hard for so many reasons then.
Margaret sounds like an interesting woman who met an absolutely horrid end. I too, do not understand how Henry could be so cruel to an old woman.
But he probably would have seen her only by her bloodline and the fact that he couldn’t get to her son and so he took it out on her. What a sad end.
Thank you for bringing us all aspects of Tudor history and not shying away from the gritty stuff.
Can’t wait to see what tomorrow will bring! And as always, I love your top!
Hanging out with Henry gives new meaning to "one day you're in the next day you're out". Tudor history is fascinating. I greed and lust for power made it sure that Henry would always have people around him, most of which assumed "it wouldn't happen to them". Interesting how often those assumptions were wrong and then along with the true plotters there were so many innocents that went to the block.
While many of Henry VIII's actions that seem cruel to us were motivated by political necessity. the execution of this poor woman is inexcusable. She was no threat to anyone, and did not receive even the pretense of a trial. May she rest in peace.
I love how every time you speak the bells seem to come on at the right time. Margaret Pole is one figure who I have the most sympathy for. She paid the price for her son speaking out. I wish Reginald thought of his mother before publishing his views.
What better way to end my day than with another account of Tudor history from the Queen 👸 of Tudor History herself Claire Ridgeway. If you have yet to buy her books, don’t walk but run. I promise you they are all amazing! Love you Claire and thank you for your dedication to this channel.I look forward to it each and every day. My dream is to visit Hever Castle on your trip in May. It will be a dream come true 💝 Thank you.
Another enlightening & informed video, Claire: many thanks! The first two Tudor monarchs treated Margaret shamefully. Henry VII forced Margaret to marry a non-royal relative of his mother's, a marriage which degraded Margaret, a Princess of the House of York. Henry VIII repaid Margaret's decades of loyal service by executing her -- strictly in order to punish her son, Reginald Pole. I choose to remember Margaret as a Christian martyr, as she earned that title through a lifetime of self-sacrifice.
Henry has many low moments during his reign, but this is one of the lowest...did it make you feel better Henry taking your anger & paranoia out on an old woman!!!! Thank you for sharing Claire!!! Oh & yes I’m a bit of a Tudor nut!!!
She was part of the cull of the last of the Plantagenets. She was no threat to Henry - but Reginald,her son, evaded him so he took revenge on Pole's mother. And to think Henry claimed to love the idea of chivalry!
Marion Arnott only when it suited his purpose..,
@@theresecatalano4017 You're right - everything centred on Henry's will and purpose. But what purpose did Margaret Pole's execution serve except spite? Tyrant is the word for him.
@@marionarnott750 Yes he was indeed a tyrant....anything to preserve the Tudor Dynasty which died out anyway!
I just know this is going to be a big plot line eventually on the tv show “the Spanish queen” and I’m dreading it. If I had a drop of Plantagenet blood during the Tudor reign I would’ve moved to mainland Europe and never come back.
They covered it on The Tudors, but I'm not looking forward to them covering it on the Spanish Princess. Maggie is my favorite ☹️
Chalchiuhtlicue She’s so sweet on the show 😭
They follow her in the White Princess also.
Jillian Aprati She’s one of the few characters still alive who were on The White Queen, The White Princess, and now The Spanish Princess so I feel very attached :(
What’s interesting is that none of this would have happened if Henry IV had not usurped the throne from Richard II which kicked off the series of events leading to Margaret’s execution.
Thank you! As I say frequently, I LOVE your daily videos. X
And we think we have it bad. It just depends upon what time you were born in, I guess. Godmother and governess to Henry's first child. A kind and gentle woman. Amazingly, a "private" execution of such brutality that no public would have be able to stomach. Thank you for your upload.
Your videos add to my life in immeasurable ways, Claire. Thank you.
'The Spanish Princess' employed dramatic license however, it did acquaint the public with Margaret Pole. It portrays her very sympathetically which she deserves. If a person was ever star-crossed, it was her. Of course Henry imprisoned and killed her because of his rage at Reginald Pole and I'm sure he would have enjoyed doing his worst to Reginald himself. This poor woman. Rest in peace. As for me, I'm proud to be a Tudor nut!!!
Tudor nut? You bet! Thanks for your videos! I look forward to them everyday.
Poor Margaret for whom the bells tolled came to horrid end. Henry did not have mercy for male or female alike. Loyalty to Henry was not a saving grace for poor Margaret. Sad end.
I’m sure I’ve been following you for ? 13 plus years. You have encouraged my Tudor obsession. Fantastic books & enjoy your Anne Boleyn web page. Margaret Poles story has always been painful.Kind regards from Australia💕
This story always upsets me, that poor woman. I always think how upset Catherine Of Aragon would have been knowing her friend was treated this way. Also poor Katherine Howard felt sorry for her as she sent her some warm clothes, while she was in the tower I believe.
Gareth Russell points out that the sending of clothes wasn't actually down to Catherine herself, they were just made by the queen's tailor and an order was put i at the same time with the king's tailor for an identical delivery for Lord Lisle. The order for both came from the Privy Council. So it was actually nothing to do with Catherine.
@@anneboleynfiles Thanks for that Claire, it just shows that fact & fiction can get so mixed up.
@@anneboleynfiles hers was such a tragic story that I will always remember her as being steadfast and loyal to her end.
Just a quick note to say “Thank you” for taking your time to do these videos. Granted some I enjoy more than others, but they are a welcome break in the day from all the real turmoil.. I enjoy Tudor history and hope that you will continue on and on...........I always enjoy learning more about this particular person after seeing her portrayed in different tv series- very interesting person...thanks again
Another low in the reign of Henry VIII. It’s a long shot, but if only Margaret’s maternal grandfather had accepted and supported Elizabeth Woodville, all of this Tudor misery may have been avoided.
True, The Earl.of Warwick could've made things easier for posterity
I just love your videos. I have read and watched lots on the Tudors. You make everything so clear
Really like the lighting and setting of this video! Contrasts with the gloomy but interesting subject!
It is really touching that the portrait of Margaret shows her wearing a bracelet with a miniature wooden wine cask on it. It must have been her way of remembering her father and reminding others of him. I didn't know charm bracelets went this far back - could this have been the first one ?
I absolutely adore your work, thank you!
Excellent video as always!
I know many people have already said this but how Henry viii could justify killing Lady Pole is beyond me. I understand her son had Plantaganet blood but still his father ruled and he afterwards without being overthrown by the Poles, so why now that she was an elderly lady would he kill her!? Makes absolutely no sense to me, especially after she showed her loyalty to the King thru service to him and his daughter Mary. He had to have known what he was doing, and then to not even give her a decent executioner!! He could have had mercy on her an at least got a French swordsman like he did for Anne Boleyn so that she could have been dispatched quickly and with as little pain as possible!! I don't think we shall ever be able to truly wrap our minds around Henry's thinking, because as much as he did love the idea of chivalry, this was the least chivalric he could possibly be to kill a poor old lady who wasn't even a tiny threat to him. Son or not she probably just wanted to finish out her years and serve God and die happy at home in her bed with whatever family she may have had left around her! So sad she didn't get that! Also I loved hearing her graffiti poem! So beautiful and expressed her feelings 100%. May you rest in heaven Lady Margaret Pole!!
I'm so glad I subscribed, love history and your voice is very calming. Thank you.
I love Tudor history and I love your talks, I look forward to them every day.
Margaret is an ancestor of mine as I've recently learned and I thank you for this bit of information about her!
I doubt that a 67 yr old woman who was hacked, initially, missing her neck on the 1st blow, striking her shoulder, was able to get up and run about...receiving 10 more blows. Amazing! I have no love for King Henry...Poor woman! Where was Margaret buried? What became of her other children? Thank you.
They told this sad tale at the Tower of London and said that Margaret was the oldest person ever beheaded...don't know whether that is true but it brought home the awfulness of this crime. The guide also said that Margaret's son was sent word in Rome that his mother would be freed if he would return and sacrifice himself, but that he refused. In 'The Spanish Princess' (I know, not exactly wholly accurate!) Margaret is even less of a threat because she is no longer close to her son. Widowed and impoverished after Catherine's household was dissolved, Margaret in this iteration had to leave Reginald with the Church. He was bitterly resentful as a child for this perceived abandonment, joined the church, and was not close to his mother.
Brutal and for someone older and innocent, Henry should have been ashamed, but when ones ego is on control, one isn’t thinking of the bigger picture. Thanks again lady claire🇬🇧🥰🇬🇧🥰
Margaret and I have the same birthday! She served in Catherine of Aragon's household and Catherine is my absolute favorite Tudor queen. What an awesome coincidence!
Happy birthday!
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Margaret Pole is one of my favorite historical figures. Such an interesting story.
Thanks for the Tudor tidbit Claire
Great video thanks Claire. I of course knew about Margaret Pole, but I did not know that she and I share a birthday! I'm happy to have the same birthday as such a great lady - it is a disgrace what happened to her! I really think the lowest point of Henry's reign.
You are so correct!
I am a Tudor nut, and a much better informed Tudor nut thanks to you. 10 or 11 blows. Even 1 would be tragic. My heart breaks for this poor woman.
Such a sad story. Her story interests me very much.
Again...I wish I could hit a sad button
As always, full of interesting information
Henry and Margaret's death. That's horrid. I have a hard time not thinking him ill. Don't you, Claire? Thank you!
Poor Margaret she stayed true to the tudor dynasty and this is the thanks she got in return. I don't know how henry v111 think this was acceptable to do this to an elderly lady x
How awful! That poor woman, how she suffered. 😓😢
I decent from Margaret Pole so this is so sad to me. Rest In Peace my beloved 13x great grandmother
Indeed! A fantastic woman that deserved so much better than she got.
My mother is also 13x great granddaughter! 👋
Margaret Pole's story is so sad however many times I hear it I feel my eyes water. How could Henry have let this happen you wonder and I bet he felt no remorse!
Along with umpty million others I'm one of MP's many many descendants. She is not forgotten
I'm so fascinated with the Tudor dynasty. I have entire collection on DVD starting with story line with Elizabeth Woodville. I'm love with history and one my favorites story.
I read somewhere that as per her status Margaret Pole had a private execution where no commoners were allowed so the crowd was limited . Still , there were no less than 300 people present even at this 'private' execution . The people of rank entitled to watch the execution were themselves so many !!
I think it would have been horrible as a noble to be alive during Henry's reign. You would be constantly fretting about losing favor with him, about losing your station or your family or your head. And eleven strokes? Oh, man! I just can't even... *shiver*
Charlie Manson's gang had nothing on HenryVIII !
My favorite Tudor lady......
Her whole life story is just heartbreaking!
I LOVE Marget Pole! I find her so interesting & so tough.
🇺🇸 I’m watching this from Virginia since I’m down here visiting family. As you probably know it’s named in honor of Elizabeth the first the virgin queen. What a sad way to treat people who were so loyal to him.🇬🇧
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I'm still doing daily videos so it's odd that you can only see ones that are from 2019. Today's is ruclips.net/video/lx1mS8Ds4qk/видео.html
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What a lovely surprise getting this reply and knowing your still doing the video's I am delighted to know so plus I did put the bell on for new video's.
Thank you for taking your time to do these video's it's a period I truly idolise, I will look forward to seeing you many more times and learn more about our fascinating past, God bless you Mrs.
Thanks for the link too
What a way for a princess to go, she wasn't much different than the current Queen in my eyes, for the queen only got the title passed to her because of her uncle. Where as you said Mary's uncle was the king at the time of her birth. She could have taken a chance at the thrown, but she didn't and like you said she was queen Mary's nanny, didn't he care he was breaking his child's heart. Oh yea I forget, he really didn't care who he hurt when trying to get what he wanted
Heartbreaking, indeed...
Henry VIII was such a monster, not just for what he did to Anne Boleyn, but for everyone else who died needlessly under his reign.
Once again Claire has given a very unbiased account of an incident in Henry's 'reigh of terror'...what a truly horrid man he was. Margaret Pole posed no threat to Henry....but he had to get back at her son Reginald who went on to became Abp of Canterbury under Queen Mary. It has been said that he was a 'moderate' and did not persucate any protestants in his own Diocese of Canterbury. I have visited his tomb in Canterbury Cathedral.
🇦🇺🦘 Have always thought highly of Margaret Pole. So happy to be hearing of her birth in 1473, but her end was so dreadful for an innocent lady of 67 years.
She had been a trusted member of court and always loyal to the crown. You would have thought that at least her life could have been spared. She was no threat to anyone. Such a horrible death for an elderly lady of noble birth. cont...
"Thank you" Claire 💓👑👍
Poor poor lady may she rest in peace what a tragic end to a innocent life. :(
Henry VIII was wacko.
Never knew that she was born on my birthday & this published on my bday
I think is the most egregious execution of all, only topping George and Anne. Henry Viii became so demented.
If I can believe Ancestry she happens to be my 16th great grandmother which possibly explains the toughness of the women in my family.
And, I thought I had problems!
Also very interested in Margaret Pole.........AND........just learned that her feast day is my birthday! 🤔
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No, I haven't and I hadn't heard about them. Interesting!
You're in the UK I would think. Check the Royal Mint. For all the ones you've missed, look at Coin Connection online
No, I'm in Spain, but I will have a look at the Royal Mint website. Thank you!
So sorry to learn she met her end in this way. I read about her in Phillippa Gregory's novel "The White Princess". I came away with the impression she was a survivor. It seems Henry VIII's reputation as a sociopath is true.
Poor Margaret- such a sad life & end.
What a horrible way to go. 😞😱💔🌹
One of my favorite people in Tudor history. Does she have a respectful tombstone?
Her story breaks my heart the most 💔 I'm fascinated by Tudor history, but I hate Henry VIII
I first heard about Margaret Pole whilst on a tour of the Tower of London. A woman of conviction and innocent. I don't see how Henry could have punished her. There seemed to be no respect for her from him.
I wonder what her son must have felt, having started all of this in the first place. Him safely away and leaving his poor elderly mother to meet such an end which ever version is true. A fascinating woman at the hands of Tutor men. How thankful I am I was not born in those times.
Does anybody have any book recommendations about Margaret?
Faithful Traitor by Samantha Wilcox
It would be interesting to know the suicide rate among the Tudor executioners, and how much they drank in order to perform their "duty".
Such a sad story.
Yes! Maybe that's why they kept missing.
The act of condemning Margaret Pole to death because her son would not return to be prosecuted, is very typical of a narcissist. If a person says "no" to a narcissist, that is it. It does not matter how loyal that individual has been in the past, how much they have helped the narcissist, etc. All of that is out the window, and holds no importance for the narcissist. Think of Stalin killing his friends, those who helped him obtain power and keep it. The only difference is in the scope of his purges. Members of the Catholic Church opposed Henry, so they either had to conform, or die. His best friend, Thomas Moore, same thing. Wolsey, even Cromwell in the end. No-one was left unscathed by Henry. Imagine the trauma of those who lived through all of this. They may have longed to be allowed to leave court and lead a simple life. Those who found themselves too close to Henry's candlelight, were burned without regard for them, or their families. I understand this very well, intellectually. If I didn't know better, I'd be with the "How could you do that?" team. The one thing Margaret did was not to die in a way that Henry would have preferred. Everyone was horrified, and perhaps it was in revenge for her death, that people made sure that Cromwell's executioner was drunk at the time of his death.
11 blows, Oh dear it's even worse than what I thought. She surely did not deserve such a tragic fate.
The Tudors certainly had a strange albeit bitter and bloody sense of family.
This wasn't just some lady. This was more his aunt than most of his aunts. She was his mothers cousin. He grew up with her.
My mother’s birthday, 8-14.
What happened to her brother Edward?
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i always wondered why Elizabeth of York allowed her cousin Edward to be locked up and eventually executed. I wonder how she felt about this
I understand that margaret pole and her son, montague, were imprisoned and executed in Tower. Question: was Montegue's son also arrested with them? Was he just a child as depicted in The Tudors? What was his fate?
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This made me very 😢 I cannot believe the King did this! Again this shows me how big a monster he was! She by no means deserved to die like that!
Margaret led quite a life. And didn’t go easily.
Always wanted to know if her grandson lived or if he was put to death as well? Poor lady pole
Didn't Margaret have a land dispute with Henry the 8th?
Yes, but that was years earlier.
I reall feel bad for her she was loyal to everyone even after henry7th beheaded her brother i think she was the real heir to the throne anyway henry 8th should have never executed her what a sad life she had i wonder if phillipa gregory has it right and her and katherine of aragon were friends i guess so bc she was in her household thank you for your videos !!! Love this stuff lol
Henry was such a sociopath. What the hell dude?
Wasn't she Henry VIII'S mother Elizabeth's first cousin? He really didn't care about anyone, did he? I mean, the fact that he had no compunction about killing an elderly close relative. He never fails to disappoint.
He was an egotistical monster.