Great video. At least Elizabeth did not have the couple beheaded for not heeding her wishes and eventually allowed them back into the court. I have read before of Elizabeth having a temper like Henry. Well put together talk. I enjoy your daily chats and hope more people will subscribe to your channel.
Hi Claire....am not surprised Elisabeth had a hot temper being the child of Henry V111 & Anne Boleyn.. .quite a potent mixture of personalities...🙄....The Scudamores were brave people to disobey their Queen...her temper does sound foul...when you're in love though..I suppose you're capable of pretty much anything...I'm glad they were forgiven in the end 😀....Thank you for another pretty tasty Tudor tid bit....can't wait for the next portion 😊
Elizabeth I appears to have inherited her father’s formidable temper!! I wonder her reasoning behind her refusal to let Mary and John get married. After all it seemed they were well matched in social ranking. Whilst I do not agree with Elizabeth’s behaviour towards Mary, I do understand that she needed her courtiers to be obedient to her; and in getting married behind Elizabeth’s back, Mary and John showing disrespect to the Queen and saying that she couldn’t control her own court and therefore implying she was a ‘weak’ monarch. I’m glad she didn’t take their heads (like her father probably would have) and they eventually got accepted back into court. Thanks again for another awesome video! Can’t wait to hear tomorrow’s On This Day In Tudor History!
Well, Elizabeth famously chose not to marry in spite of pressre from her Advisors., and she could not marry Robert Dudley because of the scandal when his wife died . In the movie “Anonymous”, she did have secret lovers and even a child, . She concelaed her pregnanacy by leaving the Court ,on Progress around her realm and the child was born in secret, And there is the enigmatic “ pregnancy” portrait. of the Qeeen in a loose gown,along with an allegory in the background . Did she or didn’t she have a secret love life? i think it would have been very hard for her to trust anyone with such a dangerous secret, and she was nobody’s fool.
Not for Scudamore personally, I am sure, but for the marriage issue. Elizabeth could have married but chose not to as she didn't want to be ruled by any man. If there was any man in particular she was jealous for, it would have been Robery Dudley. And in fact, another cousin/lady in waiting names Lettice Knollys married him and she never forgave either of them, though Dudley's last letter before his death was found among Elizabeth's personal belongings after her death.
Elizabeth must've been awful with her temper! She broke her cousin's finger?!? Hitting someone at table with a knife on their hand? What great manners Elizabeth had when she was thwarted. Sounds like her father, somehow. Thank you for offering this account today;j I always enjoy.
Perhaps Elizabeth didn't care to see Mary married to a Catholic who already had 5 children. The temper broke loose when Mary defied the queen - that was a big no-no as Elizabeth had a mother's responsibility towards young ladies in waiting and they, as members of the court, owed the queen obedience and loyalty. That was part of the deal when you were accepted into the queen's service. However, as Elizabeth's temper was short lived, they soon made up again. A chandelier fell on her😁
Bingo, Marion Arnott! We have trouble wrapping our heads around the fact that Renaissance nobles did Not normally marry for love -- their parents/guardians arranged marriages for them. When ladies-in-waiting married without the consent of parents/guardians/the Queen, they left the Queen open to the accusation of running a morally lax Court. Elizabeth had every right to be angry at her relative's lese-majeste. One can only hope that Mary's finger was Not broken by the Queen! A falling chandelier indeed!
@@cathryncampbell8555 You're absolutely right. Elizabeth's Court could not be allowed to become a place with a bad reputation which would reflect on the Queen. But in the end her ladies could marry but had to respect the conventions of the day. No one was allowed to marry wherever they liked. In fact the idea of a love match was frowned upon as being an unreliable basis for marriage. May glittering chandeliers fall upon the heads of disobedient girls!
@@marionarnott750 Marion Arnott, have you perchance read Antonia Fraser's "The Weaker Vessel"? Or Lawrence Stone's "The Family, Sex and Marriage in England: 1500 to 1800"? I obtained a lot of material on English mores and attitudes toward marriage from these two sources. And, of course, ditto re: glittering chandeliers!
@@cathryncampbell8555 I've read The Weaker Vessel but not the other book - is it any good? I ask because I am currently reading interviews with Soviet women soldiers during the last war. In spite of their supposed equality, attitudes to women were not much different from the west. Fascinating! I hear they threw a mean chandelier too!
@@marionarnott750 Marion Arnott -- yes, Stone's book is very good. He uses statistics in many dizzying ways, which was a novel approach in the 1970's. But his revelations re: English customs are fascinating. One recent book which I love is "Young & Damned & Fair" by Gareth Russell. Published in 2017, it examines the life of Catherine Howard, and it is packed with all manner of delightful *details.* (Such as how the British pronounce "Pontefract" in 2019 -- which I didn't know -- vs. how to pronounce it in the 1500's -- which I did, quixotically, know....)
I am not an historian, just interested in the Tudors. I mostly have understanding of figures like Henry VIII and Elizabeth I though historical novels and some incidental reading of history, and I have to admit that Elizabeth had acquired an almost saintly stature in my mind. Your rendering of the relationship she had with Mary Scudamore does make her seem more human to me.
I tried uploading Mary’s picture from Home Lacy. It didn’t work. Thanks for teaching me a little more about my heritage. Was this story cited in your book?
I never thought of Elizabeth being so cruel. Why should she be telling her servants who to love and if she felt betrayed, just fire her. This Tudor world never ceases to amaze. Does it shock you? Thanks, Claire!
It's possible that being fired would have been the greater punishment from Mary Scudamore's POV. Being a lady of the privy chamber carried a lot of status. Remember in the TV show 'Merlin' how King Uther rewarded Merlin for saving Arthur's life by making him Arthur's servant? From a 21st Century, that seems ridiculously ungrateful. But back in... er, whenever the show is set, going from peasant to personal servant of the crown prince was a huge leap in social status. Just sayin'.
@@astrinymris9953 But to be beaten for social status. No thank you. IMO I would rather be a peasant. I know that's today's culture talking but broken fingers for the chance to be with someone in the bathroom? Have a great day Astrin. You always make me think! :)
🇭🇲🦘 Interesting hearing about these two women. Second cousins (so family) but one the Queen. Mary Scudamore deserved some happiness in her life .... so (although a dangerous move) I'm pleased she married. Yes, the marriage was without permission, and gained the wrath of Queen Elizabeth, but eventually forgiven she and her husband continued to serve the crown. Mary serving Elizabeth until their final years, dying the same year as her cousin, the Queen. cont... Apart from this one indiscretion, Mary and Elizabeth had a lot in common, and I'm sure that Mary made for a 'trusted confidant' and 'close companion' for Elizabeth. A companion Elizabeth didn't want to lose. So I believe that Elizabeth forgave Mary's actions because she needed Mary just as much as Mary needed the Queen. There wouldn't have been many who Elizabeth trusted so! Lovely talk. "Thank you" Claire 💓👑👍
I actually love hearing that she had a temper because it makes her human, that's a big problem at least with me when it comes to historical figures they lived and died before us, I know they were real people obviously but at the same time I never saw them/met them don't know anyone who has etc so it almost makes them an enigma because you lose that connection with time but hearing about their faults really gives them their humanity back... Great vid as always Claire! ❤️
I think deep down Elizabeth would have loved to marry and have a normal life, but it just was not possible for many reasons, so she was jealous of those who married, especially those whose marriages were based on affection. It was something they had that she could never have. Perhaps those who were closest to her had some understanding of that and it helped them put up with her tantrums. At least she didn't kill off all her old supporters the way her father did!
Isn't attributing jealousy as Elizabeth's motive a bit reductive of her? I doubt she would be jealous of a chit with an attachment but she might well have a care for her relative's welfare. Catholics were increasingly regarded as an enemy because of conspiracies - could that be Elizabeth's motive? Had the couple been furtive. and gone behind Elizabeth's back? Scudamore, a father of five, would have known that behaviour was just not on - Elizabeth certainly knew that. Had Mary's parents been thinking of a suitable marriage for her? Would Elizabeth have relished the prospect of facing Mary's parents with the news that Mary had made her own arrangements - that was the sort of thing that would have alarmed parents of every girl at court. Secret, unapproved marriages were dangerous - fortune hunters sought secrecy to deceive silly young girls into handing over their cash; sometimes men staged a wedding with fake priests and witnesses to get their wicked way. Elizabeth was quite right to establish strict rules of conduct to protect her maids of honour. And like teenagers from the dawn of time they whined that she was just jealous of them.
@@marionarnott750 I don't understand your use of the word "reductive," but I gather that you approve of her behavior in this case and other similar cases.
@@dorothywillis1 Reductive - cutting her down to size as in: she's only a woman prone to infantile passions such as jealousy and this makes her prone to act in all sorts of nasty ways. Approve of her? It's not for a woman in the 21st century to approve or disapprove the conventions of 16th century women. Let's say I think I understand what might have driven her. How much of Katherine Howard's fate was caused by neglectful supervision, by lack of careful instruction in how she should conduct herself. The girl was left vulnerable to predators in a dormitory where the men came and went as they pleased. She should have had a guardian looking out for her - like Elizabeth who was herself subjected to sleazy behaviour by Seymour and ended up being interrogated . She knew the dangers of slack keeping of the young. The injury caused Mary Scudamore was not intended otherwise Elizabeth would not have blamed the chandelier. I think she felt guilty.
@@marionarnott750 Oooh... Marion Arnott, your excellent point re: fortune hunters & fake marraiges is discussed in Lawrence Stone's magnum opus! And marriage to a Roman Catholic by someone who was distantly related to Elizabeth -- oh, my golly, what a Scandal that must have been! Again, you've explained the context of Renaissance marriages so well!
I wonder why Elizabeth withheld her consent in the first place, since both seem to have been of equal status and equal position? Elizabeth certainly could wield both emotional and physical abuse. And then Elizabeth forgave Mary but did Mary ever truly forgive Elizabeth, or did Mary simply make the best of the situation?
Given the fact that Elizabeth had both of her Grey cousins imprisoned for years in the Tower of London for marrying without her permission, I think Mary Scudamore may have felt she got off lightly. Also, I don't think people in 16th Century England felt they had a right to hold a grudge for violence by a social superior. Now, if someone they saw as a peer or near-equal struck them, they'd have been outraged, but more because of the perceived social demotion than the blow itself. "How dare he strike me! He's a mere baronet's son, does he think himself so far above me that he may cuff me with impunity?"
Yes, all three Grey sisters suffered tragic fates! And yet, with examples all around them, all of these ladies of the court defied power for love! There's Lettice Knollys, as well...I don't know about the grudge part! I agree that social mores kept people in their places in more ways than one, but personal grudges can still fester...@@astrinymris9953
@@astrinymris9953 mary grey was just house arrested including in 1 person's house when he was nearly blind. both he and his wife deeply resented her. (this occurred after katherine grey died.) technically, she removed herself from the succession by marrying someone of noble gentry, but it wasn't legal. she could still inherit. katherine grey married a powerful earl.
I watch your videos with my Ancestry app open & notebook and pen in hand. Geoffrey Boleyn is my 16th Great Grandfather, so I was trying to see how she fit in. I had to draw it. Henry was having an affair with Mary Shelton, his wife’s cousin? Did I get that right?
I think that was Madge Shelton, but who knows. Henry was having an affair with just about everyone, after all (of course I'm being sardonic, his ladies are fairly well documented)
Anne Boleyn's cousin, Madge, did catch the king's eye at one point. It is not known whether there were two Shelton sisters, Madge and Mary, or whether they were one and the same. This Mary was the niece of Madge.
I had always heard Elizabeth had broken a finger of one of her lady's, but never knew the real story until now. I just assumed that she had a temper and someone wanted to make her look more hot tempered than she was, but obviously she was pretty hot tempered, either her or the chandelier!! Lol! 😜
Was Elisabeth I prone to not wanting her ladies to marry because she had chosen the single state? That is suggested in fictional accounts , but I don't know if there is any truth to it.
Is it me or was Elizabeth 1 just insecure. Elizabeth should have made friends with her cousins. Beware a Tudor/Boleyn with a bad temper! This couple sound very much in love. It was good that Mary was able to serve Elizabeth.
Elizabeth found love, but for various reasons chose not to ultimately act on it. I think she did to some extent resent those young women in her circle who did, especially if they hid it from her and/or fell in love with the wrong men, according to Elizabeth.
I wonder if Elizabeth's fury whenever one of her female cousins married was driven by envy? She seems to have been heterosexual and deeply wished that she could have married, but she recognized that doing so would have been political suicide. If she had ever had any doubt, Mary Stuart's fate proved her judgement correct.
elizabeth , was given to violence . it's a known fact , that , she was quick to box a persons ears.........good thing she was queen , else she could have been given her brown/ black teeth...
Speaking of brown/black teeth, Elizabeth apparently had very rotten teeth from all the sugar she consumed. Just one aching tooth can put you in a foul mood--think of having a mouthful of rotten teeth! Henry and his children all had various ailments that must have contributed to their nasty tempers! And of course each of them did not take kindly to not getting their way!
@@6falconsue............true , elizabeth was addicted to sugar , in a big way . she took advantage of her station , as no one else , could get away with being a louse , just because they were in a foul mood . as far as the tudors getting their own way , their family shield said it all " dieu et mon droit ".... god AND MY RIGHT.................
Well Elizabeth came by her temper honestly...considering who were her parents! Interesting story...thank you for sharing Claire!
Can you imagine how you would feel if your in love and the Queen denies your marriage. All decisions rest with the Queen!
Just like Katherine and Mary Grey.
Great video. At least Elizabeth did not have the couple beheaded for not heeding her wishes and eventually allowed them back into the court. I have read before of Elizabeth having a temper like Henry. Well put together talk. I enjoy your daily chats and hope more people will subscribe to your channel.
Hi Claire....am not surprised Elisabeth had a hot temper being the child of Henry V111 & Anne Boleyn..
.quite a potent mixture of personalities...🙄....The Scudamores were brave people to disobey their Queen...her temper does sound foul...when you're in love though..I suppose you're capable of pretty much anything...I'm glad they were forgiven in the end 😀....Thank you for another pretty tasty Tudor tid bit....can't wait for the next portion 😊
Um yes a “bit” of a temper! Great video Claire
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Elizabeth I appears to have inherited her father’s formidable temper!! I wonder her reasoning behind her refusal to let Mary and John get married. After all it seemed they were well matched in social ranking.
Whilst I do not agree with Elizabeth’s behaviour towards Mary, I do understand that she needed her courtiers to be obedient to her; and in getting married behind Elizabeth’s back, Mary and John showing disrespect to the Queen and saying that she couldn’t control her own court and therefore implying she was a ‘weak’ monarch.
I’m glad she didn’t take their heads (like her father probably would have) and they eventually got accepted back into court.
Thanks again for another awesome video! Can’t wait to hear tomorrow’s On This Day In Tudor History!
Do NOT make Queen Elizabeth mad.
The whole family is crazy! Thank you!
I have heard several times that since Elizabeth couldn't marry her love she didn't permit her ladies to marry either.
I was thinking the same thing, when Elizabeth keeps denying her ladies to get married, I figured it was since she was not married.
Well, Elizabeth famously chose not to marry in spite of pressre from her Advisors., and she could not marry Robert Dudley because of the scandal when his wife died . In the movie “Anonymous”, she did have secret lovers and even a child, . She concelaed her pregnanacy by leaving the Court ,on Progress around her realm and the child was born in secret, And there is the enigmatic “ pregnancy” portrait. of the Qeeen in a loose gown,along with an allegory in the background . Did she or didn’t she have a secret love life? i think it would have been very hard for her to trust anyone with such a dangerous secret, and she was nobody’s fool.
Well, as she often said, Elizabeth was her father's daughter!
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Thanks Claire. Some jealousy there methinks?
Not for Scudamore personally, I am sure, but for the marriage issue. Elizabeth could have married but chose not to as she didn't want to be ruled by any man. If there was any man in particular she was jealous for, it would have been Robery Dudley. And in fact, another cousin/lady in waiting names Lettice Knollys married him and she never forgave either of them, though Dudley's last letter before his death was found among Elizabeth's personal belongings after her death.
It's gotta be that Tudor red hair ...
Like father like daughter.
No paternity test needed there! lol
Anne Boleyn was pretty quick tempered, too.
Elizabeth must've been awful with her temper! She broke her cousin's finger?!? Hitting someone at table with a knife on their hand? What great manners Elizabeth had when she was thwarted. Sounds like her father, somehow. Thank you for offering this account today;j I always enjoy.
I think she got her temper from both of her parents!
@@l.plantagenet Anne was said to be careful with her actions though
Perhaps Elizabeth didn't care to see Mary married to a Catholic who already had 5 children. The temper broke loose when Mary defied the queen - that was a big no-no as Elizabeth had a mother's responsibility towards young ladies in waiting and they, as members of the court, owed the queen obedience and loyalty. That was part of the deal when you were accepted into the queen's service. However, as Elizabeth's temper was short lived, they soon made up again.
A chandelier fell on her😁
Bingo, Marion Arnott! We have trouble wrapping our heads around the fact that Renaissance nobles did Not normally marry for love -- their parents/guardians arranged marriages for them. When ladies-in-waiting married without the consent of parents/guardians/the Queen, they left the Queen open to the accusation of running a morally lax Court. Elizabeth had every right to be angry at her relative's lese-majeste. One can only hope that Mary's finger was Not broken by the Queen! A falling chandelier indeed!
@@cathryncampbell8555 You're absolutely right. Elizabeth's Court could not be allowed to become a place with a bad reputation which would reflect on the Queen.
But in the end her ladies could marry but had to respect the conventions of the day. No one was allowed to marry wherever they liked. In fact the idea of a love match was frowned upon as being an unreliable basis for marriage.
May glittering chandeliers fall upon the heads of disobedient girls!
@@marionarnott750 Marion Arnott, have you perchance read Antonia Fraser's "The Weaker Vessel"? Or Lawrence Stone's "The Family, Sex and Marriage in England: 1500 to 1800"? I obtained a lot of material on English mores and attitudes toward marriage from these two sources. And, of course, ditto re: glittering chandeliers!
@@cathryncampbell8555 I've read The Weaker Vessel but not the other book - is it any good? I ask because I am currently reading interviews with Soviet women soldiers during the last war. In spite of their supposed equality, attitudes to women were not much different from the west. Fascinating! I hear they threw a mean chandelier too!
@@marionarnott750 Marion Arnott -- yes, Stone's book is very good. He uses statistics in many dizzying ways, which was a novel approach in the 1970's. But his revelations re: English customs are fascinating. One recent book which I love is "Young & Damned & Fair" by Gareth Russell. Published in 2017, it examines the life of Catherine Howard, and it is packed with all manner of delightful *details.* (Such as how the British pronounce "Pontefract" in 2019 -- which I didn't know -- vs. how to pronounce it in the 1500's -- which I did, quixotically, know....)
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Defy not your monarch, lest her wrath you do endure!
Thank you for sharing this. This is so interesting with the family links within the Tudors
I am not an historian, just interested in the Tudors. I mostly have understanding of figures like Henry VIII and Elizabeth I though historical novels and some incidental reading of history, and I have to admit that Elizabeth had acquired an almost saintly stature in my mind. Your rendering of the relationship she had with Mary Scudamore does make her seem more human to me.
Love your videos! Thank you so much for making these, really appreciate it!
I tried uploading Mary’s picture from Home Lacy. It didn’t work.
Thanks for teaching me a little more about my heritage. Was this story cited in your book?
Ha ha. Sounds hot tempered like her parents. Bless her.
I never thought of Elizabeth being so cruel. Why should she be telling her servants who to love and if she felt betrayed, just fire her. This Tudor world never ceases to amaze. Does it shock you? Thanks, Claire!
It's possible that being fired would have been the greater punishment from Mary Scudamore's POV. Being a lady of the privy chamber carried a lot of status. Remember in the TV show 'Merlin' how King Uther rewarded Merlin for saving Arthur's life by making him Arthur's servant? From a 21st Century, that seems ridiculously ungrateful. But back in... er, whenever the show is set, going from peasant to personal servant of the crown prince was a huge leap in social status. Just sayin'.
@@astrinymris9953 But to be beaten for social status. No thank you. IMO I would rather be a peasant. I know that's today's culture talking but broken fingers for the chance to be with someone in the bathroom? Have a great day Astrin. You always make me think! :)
🇭🇲🦘 Interesting hearing about these two women. Second cousins (so family) but one the Queen. Mary Scudamore deserved some happiness in her life
.... so (although a dangerous move) I'm pleased she married. Yes, the marriage was without permission, and gained the wrath of Queen Elizabeth, but eventually forgiven she and her husband continued to serve the crown. Mary serving Elizabeth until their final years, dying the same year as her cousin, the Queen. cont...
Apart from this one indiscretion, Mary and Elizabeth had a lot in common, and I'm sure that Mary made for a 'trusted confidant' and 'close companion' for Elizabeth. A companion Elizabeth didn't want to lose. So I believe that Elizabeth forgave Mary's actions because she needed Mary just as much as Mary needed the Queen. There wouldn't have been many who Elizabeth trusted so!
Lovely talk. "Thank you" Claire 💓👑👍
I actually love hearing that she had a temper because it makes her human, that's a big problem at least with me when it comes to historical figures they lived and died before us, I know they were real people obviously but at the same time I never saw them/met them don't know anyone who has etc so it almost makes them an enigma because you lose that connection with time but hearing about their faults really gives them their humanity back... Great vid as always Claire! ❤️
Yikes! Elizabeth did have a temper. She had a lot of faults but she was an amazing woman none the less.
Being kin to Elizabeth I wasn't easy. Cousins on the Boylen side served her. And on Henry VIII side they were imprisoned and/or beheaded.
I think deep down Elizabeth would have loved to marry and have a normal life, but it just was not possible for many reasons, so she was jealous of those who married, especially those whose marriages were based on affection. It was something they had that she could never have. Perhaps those who were closest to her had some understanding of that and it helped them put up with her tantrums. At least she didn't kill off all her old supporters the way her father did!
Isn't attributing jealousy as Elizabeth's motive a bit reductive of her? I doubt she would be jealous of a chit with an attachment but she might well have a care for her relative's welfare. Catholics were increasingly regarded as an enemy because of conspiracies - could that be Elizabeth's motive?
Had the couple been furtive. and gone behind Elizabeth's back? Scudamore, a father of five, would have known that behaviour was just not on - Elizabeth certainly knew that.
Had Mary's parents been thinking of a suitable marriage for her? Would Elizabeth have relished the prospect of facing Mary's parents with the news that Mary had made her own arrangements - that was the sort of thing that would have alarmed parents of every girl at court.
Secret, unapproved marriages were dangerous - fortune hunters sought secrecy to deceive silly young girls into handing over their cash; sometimes men staged a wedding with fake priests and witnesses to get their wicked way.
Elizabeth was quite right to establish strict rules of conduct to protect her maids of honour. And like teenagers from the dawn of time they whined that she was just jealous of them.
@@marionarnott750 I don't understand your use of the word "reductive," but I gather that you approve of her behavior in this case and other similar cases.
@@dorothywillis1 Reductive - cutting her down to size as in: she's only a woman prone to infantile passions such as jealousy and this makes her prone to act in all sorts of nasty ways.
Approve of her? It's not for a woman in the 21st century to approve or disapprove the conventions of 16th century women. Let's say I think I understand what might have driven her.
How much of Katherine Howard's fate was caused by neglectful supervision, by lack of careful instruction in how she should conduct herself. The girl was left vulnerable to predators in a dormitory where the men came and went as they pleased. She should have had a guardian looking out for her - like Elizabeth who was herself subjected to sleazy behaviour by Seymour and ended up being interrogated .
She knew the dangers of slack keeping of the young.
The injury caused Mary Scudamore was not intended otherwise Elizabeth would not have blamed the chandelier. I think she felt guilty.
She lost
@@marionarnott750 Oooh... Marion Arnott, your excellent point re: fortune hunters & fake marraiges is discussed in Lawrence Stone's magnum opus! And marriage to a Roman Catholic by someone who was distantly related to Elizabeth -- oh, my golly, what a Scandal that must have been! Again, you've explained the context of Renaissance marriages so well!
I wonder why Elizabeth withheld her consent in the first place, since both seem to have been of equal status and equal position? Elizabeth certainly could wield both emotional and physical abuse. And then Elizabeth forgave Mary but did Mary ever truly forgive Elizabeth, or did Mary simply make the best of the situation?
Patricia Pickett I’d imagine it had more to do with Mary’s future husband being Catholic than with status.
Given the fact that Elizabeth had both of her Grey cousins imprisoned for years in the Tower of London for marrying without her permission, I think Mary Scudamore may have felt she got off lightly.
Also, I don't think people in 16th Century England felt they had a right to hold a grudge for violence by a social superior. Now, if someone they saw as a peer or near-equal struck them, they'd have been outraged, but more because of the perceived social demotion than the blow itself. "How dare he strike me! He's a mere baronet's son, does he think himself so far above me that he may cuff me with impunity?"
@@astrinymris9953 the Grey girls had a claim on the throne and were therefore dangerous like their sister Jane Grey.
Yes, all three Grey sisters suffered tragic fates! And yet, with examples all around them, all of these ladies of the court defied power for love! There's Lettice Knollys, as well...I don't know about the grudge part! I agree that social mores kept people in their places in more ways than one, but personal grudges can still fester...@@astrinymris9953
@@astrinymris9953 mary grey was just house arrested including in 1 person's house when he was nearly blind. both he and his wife deeply resented her. (this occurred after katherine grey died.) technically, she removed herself from the succession by marrying someone of noble gentry, but it wasn't legal. she could still inherit. katherine grey married a powerful earl.
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I watch your videos with my Ancestry app open & notebook and pen in hand. Geoffrey Boleyn is my 16th Great Grandfather, so I was trying to see how she fit in. I had to draw it. Henry was having an affair with Mary Shelton, his wife’s cousin? Did I get that right?
I think that was Madge Shelton, but who knows. Henry was having an affair with just about everyone, after all (of course I'm being sardonic, his ladies are fairly well documented)
Anne Boleyn's cousin, Madge, did catch the king's eye at one point. It is not known whether there were two Shelton sisters, Madge and Mary, or whether they were one and the same. This Mary was the niece of Madge.
Was she buried in St. Cuthbert's Church?
Elizabeth sounds like she has her father's temper!!!
Just curious, but did Elizabeth l ever grant one of her ladies permission to marry?
I had always heard Elizabeth had broken a finger of one of her lady's, but never knew the real story until now. I just assumed that she had a temper and someone wanted to make her look more hot tempered than she was, but obviously she was pretty hot tempered, either her or the chandelier!! Lol! 😜
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It was brave of them to marry without the queen's permission.
I wouldn't like to get on the wrong side of Elizabeth I.
Was Elisabeth I prone to not wanting her ladies to marry because she had chosen the single state? That is suggested in fictional accounts , but I don't know if there is any truth to it.
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E1 sounds like her father at tmes.
Is it me or was Elizabeth 1 just insecure. Elizabeth should have made friends with her cousins. Beware a Tudor/Boleyn with a bad temper! This couple sound very much in love. It was good that Mary was able to serve Elizabeth.
Definitely the lion's club!
Then again she was her father’s daughter
Sound to me that maybe Queen Elizabeth was somewhat jealous of Mary, who found love when Queen Elizabeth never did.
But good video, enjoyable.
Elizabeth found love, but for various reasons chose not to ultimately act on it. I think she did to some extent resent those young women in her circle who did, especially if they hid it from her and/or fell in love with the wrong men, according to Elizabeth.
I wonder if Elizabeth's fury whenever one of her female cousins married was driven by envy? She seems to have been heterosexual and deeply wished that she could have married, but she recognized that doing so would have been political suicide. If she had ever had any doubt, Mary Stuart's fate proved her judgement correct.
Temper Temper lol
elizabeth , was given to violence . it's a known fact , that , she was quick to box a persons ears.........good thing she was queen , else she could have been given her brown/ black teeth...
Speaking of brown/black teeth, Elizabeth apparently had very rotten teeth from all the sugar she consumed. Just one aching tooth can put you in a foul mood--think of having a mouthful of rotten teeth! Henry and his children all had various ailments that must have contributed to their nasty tempers! And of course each of them did not take kindly to not getting their way!
@@6falconsue............true , elizabeth was addicted to sugar , in a big way . she took advantage of her station , as no one else , could get away with being a louse , just because they were in a foul mood . as far as the tudors getting their own way , their family shield said it all " dieu et mon droit ".... god AND MY RIGHT.................
Poor Elisabeth, I'm not surprised she was a hot head.....just look at what happened to her in her life.