[GL][T-167] Locomotives of Today's Class 1s: Norfolk Southern's Complete Roster up to PSR 2020
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- CORRECTIONS: At roughly the 23:30 mark I said that the 80MACs are to rebuilt into SD70ACU.. I meant to say SD80ACUs.. Duh!!
At the 25:53 mark I said 8167, meant to say 8467.. What can I say, it was late, UGH!!
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CORRECTIONS: At roughly the 23:30 mark I said that the 80MACs are to rebuilt into SD70ACU.. I meant to say SD80ACUs.. Duh!!
At the 25:53 mark I said 8167, meant to say 8467.. What can I say, it was late, UGH!!
I was in Altoona the other day and NS stripped the traction motors from the older dash 9 getting ready to be converted to AC44C6Ms. They were 9090 and 9097.
Interesting.
Very detailed video. I was most surprised how many SD40-2's are still on the roster, but at the same time, not surprised. Engineers love that locomotive model.
Indeed.. I'm pretty sure that the SD40-2 is most popular locomotive ever built.. I think it's the greatest of all time.
@@Trains21 agreed!
@@realcanadianrailfan110 Because great minds think alike!
NS needs to get the remaining leftover tunnel motors from the salvage yards that UP put out of their misery, they'll look pretty good in thoroughbred colours and I'm sure ns would like em. l missed seening the SP/SSW/DRGW sd40t-2s/sd45t-2s in Arkansas.
Branded McGowan I think they would Norfolk Southern money making renewed and have more locomotive but they can keep air coming out bottom or sides called
@@anthonyventi362 what?
There are also 2 GP38 High Hoods that run locally in the Northumberland yard on the sunbury line, they usually run out to the town of Kreamer for covered hoppers.
Thanks, I didn't know that!
I only know because on my way to my grandmothers burial in lewistown we took pa rt. 35 to 522 35 goes through kreamer, where a dead end spur sits a grain silo, and a gp-38 high hood sat waiting for finishing up, later on our way home, we saw the same HH with some other mixed freight, small load, on the Sunbury line in Sunbury, heading back to the norry yard, woth a gp38 HH in lead, AND, a gp38 in tow!! Both were online, and in use, it was very coool
Id like to think my grandma who had a lot of history with the PRR, with her family, was watching and hoping wed see
On Nov. 9th, I saw THE VIRGINIAN heritage unit as part of a 3 engine train heading north out of Scranton at 11: 45 a.m. I'm watching to see if it comes back.
Yep, I missed that one (at least the engines).. Caught the tail end just as I got there.
Update on the NS F units: NS 270 & NS 275 have been purchased by Reading and Northern.
Aberdeen, Carolina, And Western bought the other 2.
@@importednascar Okay thank you. I recently heard about that from an article on trains magazine's website.
Elkhart yard in Indiana has an RCO high hood sd40-2 in hump service as of fall 2019.
Thanks Intern.. Much appreciated for that info.. That just may be on my bucket list of places for 2020.
They’ve also had a few HH 38-2’s in the shop there.
•Well I certainly didn’t know NS has SD75s
•I have seen the trio of 6-axel Gensets all together, they were near the VMT in Roanoke last December
•I saw NS 97 back in October while visiting Debutts Yard, didn’t know it was a 1 of 2!
•A handful of SD70s and M-2s are in storage at Debutts with a mix of dash-8s and SD40-2s as well (4 storage lines total)
And a Question: what is a Tier-4 Credit unit?
Also an update on NRTX 381: (Surfliner F40PH) It has very recently been withdrawn from service, replaced by NRTX 122 and is currently stored at the RJC Lebanon shops. I and a few others speculate it is either:
1. In storage due to lack of Music City Star lettering
Or
2. Is being prepared to be shipped off to be refurbished and repainted
(I certainly hope it’s the former not the latter though that would be trying to prevent the inevitable)
John Stephenson huh.. that certainly sounds.. confusing but I get the basic idea
26:50 AC44C6CF the CF stands for "Complete Failure" lol
That's so accurately funny!
The ex HELM leasers (SD40-2) are more than likely ex UP or BNSF in heritage. Around 2010 or so BNSF purged a crapton on SD40-2's from their roster, and I think UP also did around the same time.
Thanks for that info, Richard.
Apparently, my information i’ve collected on the SD80MACs have turned out to be sold to Canadian Pacific.
Some of them were, the rest went back to EMD I think.
I saw a SD70M-2 not that long ago I think there is like 3 still in service nice video
Cool..
Update on the C40-8W's... The majority of them are now retired and are destined for Scrap....
Ugh!!!!
Sad, I know.
@@Trains21 True.
Nooooooo!!!!!!!!
Great footage! Thumbs up and lots of greetings from Finland,
Juha
Thanks Man.. Greetings from America.
Badass my friend good job that's cool that you scored a locomotive roster very interesting video graciously appreciate it I have a great day AC
Thanks Austin.
12:21 - from my knowledge, the SD70M-2s have not been stored permanently. They’re still marked as active because if needed, NS can pull them back out temporarily for whatever reason given, like a power shortage or increase in traffic. The same can be said for the C40-8Ws and Phase 1 and 2 SD70Ms
Never said the M-2s were stored permanently, said they were in storage.. Which they are.. Dash 8s are being sold off to my knowledge and the 70s are steady-as-she-goes.. As I said at the beginning, all information came from a "summary" which was compiled by the Altoona Works and the top NS related diesel roster website.
I think rebuilds may be in the cards for those SD70s in the future. NS has adopted the strategy of taking reliable DC power and converting it to AC instead of wasting both money and locomotives.
@@blackbirdgaming8147 That was my impression too!
Another good one A.C. I'll be in your neck of the woods for the next two weeks visiting my sister in Columbus ,Ohio. Hope I getaway from the family to do a little rail fanning, lol.
Cool John, sorry I'm replying so late but I've been getting my butt kicked with work.. Guessing you'll be gone by the time you read this so I hope that you stayed warm while in Ohio.. Let me know how your stay went.
Thank you for this update video! It will be very helpful if I can ever get a weekend to head back to Westfield and see some action on the former Nickle Plate.
Thanks.. That would be nice!
Nice job AC, that was a mouth full! Joeoz3751
Thanks Joe.. Yeah it was!
im ok with the sd80macs being rebuilt ONLY IF they keep the teardrop windshield but they CAN replace the headlights to the standard triangle of headlights.
if they do rebuild i AM excited to see these buffed to 5,500 horsepower
AC you are my favorite railroad commentator... you have sold me on NS, I live in Ogden, Utah, UP heartland.
Thanks Calvin.. I've been out there but didn't have a chance to shoot any trains.. Hopefully I can change that in the future.
Have gp38-2 here in Cortland it's numbered 5095 and seems to do most of the switching for NYS&W here including going over to Suit-Kote Terminal
Cool!
Nice video! Funny that my former work building can be seen at 9:42, in the Harrisburg skyline above the Enola Yard. I can see the bridge at 27:51 from my current workplace. And I really like the Dash 9s. I have scores of videos of them.
Thanks James.
There are at least 4 slugs in NS Conway Yard, they appear to be paired with Geeps for yard work
That's typically what they're used for.
Thanks, a very informative conversation of what is still there and the upgrades. Now we're up to date and can always go to this or look it up.
Thanks Steve.
Another top video there AC, I hope to make it over by the end of next year to go around PA to try and catch what I can,
Thank you for watching Jamie.. And best of luck making it this way.. I hope you catch something worthwhile.
Awesome video can you do a video on the history of the Vine Street branch
Will do.
You scared me when you said that the SD80MAC's were going to become SD70ACu's. I love the 80MAC's. Nothing sounds like them at full throttle. I'm assuming they are keeping their prime mover. Excellent video AC. I await your next video.
I've heard a few rumblings; some confirmed, some not. According to the rumblings:
1. They WILL be keeping their prime mover. [this one is more fact than rumor]
2. Rumored to be upgraded to 5500hp.
3. They will be getting the SD70ACu cab. [again, a possible rumor]
Silver Turtle Doubt there will be much in the way of real upgrades to achieve 5500 hp. EMD and Conrail worked closely to develop the model, and both knew the 20-710G3 was capable of more than just 5000 hp. 5000 hp was a conservative number. The 20-710G3 is probably capable of closer to 5700 with minimal modifications.
Blackbird -- You'll get no argument from me on that. When EMD came out with their ill-fated H-block, they rated it at 6000hp; it was closer to 6500hp.
Nice Video, very informative! I believe that 33/3400 series batch of 40-2s after the ex-Southern are the ex-CRs. I'm not sure about all of them but when I've shot an engine in that series of units and looked up the heritage for a video they usually show ex-CR.
Yeah, they are.. I wasn't looking at the photo when I did the commentary so I didn't notice the Flexicoil trucks which was a Conrail exclusive on NS (I think).
Always very interesting and informative! Thank you!
Thank you for watching Rookie..
I heard all ex big blue MAC'S the 80s and 70s are all being sold off is this true. As they were my favorites and my babies back in the day and still are!!! If its true it so sadness me a a rail fan BIG BLUE 4 ever!!!!
The 80MACs are.. I don't know about the 70MACs, CSX got all of them.
The SD40-2's in the 3300 series 3325 - 3429 are Ex Conrail
OK thanks.
3201-3328 are former Southern units
👍👍Thanks AC for another informative blog. Always enjoy them 👍
Thanks for watching DJ.
Outstanding video AC thanks for the information
No problem, Ed. Thanks for watching.
Yes I did enjoy this, one take away is NS has a LOT of old iron.....gp and sd 40's and similar. WHY did the sd60's go down the road?
Originally, the SD60 series was slated for the SD60E rebuild program, but not too long after 7035 was finished in 2017, NS had a change of heart. They had seen the advantages of AC traction and how much more reliable it is in certain situations than DC traction, so the road basically decided that they no longer needed to rebuild DC traction units into newer DC units since DC is inferior to AC, and soon after the start of the successful SD70 to SD7ACC rebuilds (and precision scheduled railroading), it was basically curtains for the 60 series sadly. So, NS sold off all of their ex-Conrail 60 series power and sadly most were scrapped. The ex-Conrail Dash 8-40CW's are next in line for the same retirement treatment. I hope this helps.
@@hakeemsd70m Thank you! Hope they find good homes..:) Lots of smaller operations sure could use that kind of power.
@@afleetcommand You're welcome, anytime! I hope so too, that somebody swoops up a few, I really do. Those 710 prime movers are supremely reliable and it would be a terrible shame to scrap them all.
So I could save EX Amtrak EMD F40PHR unit 404.
Hi AC. So back on October 7th 2019 I caught a westbound freight in Emmaus that had 2 RP-E4Cs in the consist. I am just unfamiliar with that specific locomotive, so I was curious if knew anything about them. Also I noticed that they weren't listed in this roster. I wasn't sure if that was because they're slugs, or if they had sold them since October. I know you're a busy guy, but if you get a sec I'd love a bit of info on those if you have any. I greatly appreciate all your history/info packed vids! Been binging your channel for the past week haha. keep em coming!
Here's a link to Altoona Works which should help you further: www.altoonaworks.info/rebuilds/ns_rpe4c.html
Great video AC. The Gensets numbers 100 & 101 will be sold off. I really liked this roster summary.
Thanks Man.. Glad you liked.
2 of the SW1001's were in RDG yard for awhile.
Yes! I enjoyed it. What a great list of info! Thanks AC
Thanks Bethany.. I'm glad that you could take something from it.
RIP NS SD70Ms, SD70Is, SD60Ms, SD60Is, SD60 Triclopses, SD70M-2s, and SD80MACs, you had so much life left in you, especially as rebuilds, but NS wouldn't have it. I hate to say it, but NS is becoming another one of those GE-obsessed railroads ...
Excellent video 😉👍
Thanks Walter.
If your wondering why NS is selling the F units, its because one of the high up guys think they are a waste of money. The F units will be missed.
Yes they will be.
NS 101 went to auction
READING AND NORTHERN PASSENGER PURCHASED F7 270 AND 275!!!!
Thanks, just found out.
I also have bad news, a bunch of SD60Is, SD40-2s, and some slugs, have all gone to NS Goodman Yard, due to be put in LTEX, where I believe the SD60Is already have been put in.....
Yeah, I heard about that.
Very informative video, thanks for posting👍🏼
Great video! I’ve seen many of these locomotives in my area.
Thanks Dylan.. Keep on Truckin!'
ironic how i get on this video.. /21/ hours after it’s uploaded! im a little sad all 153 ex-CR C40-8Ws are currently in storage. hopefully a good bunch of em like 8352 are either reactivated or sold off to regionals like PAR
Sadly, they were all sold for scrap.. SCRAP!!
Trains21 well, that’s just life is how i see it. you never know, someone or something might pick a few up from scrap.
You might have mentioned it, but where did you get that pile of info!
This was great!
Thanks!
Thanks Mark.. I found a report/summary online made out by Altoona Works and a few others.
8:57 2000 to 2009 but the order was canceled.
Why Norfolk Southern is retiring SD40-2 locomotives? What is wrong with these locomotives?
SD40-2 3517 is an Ex BN SD40-2 that was sold to HLCX
OK thanks.
This video isn't even 4 months old and how much has changed since then. Sad.
i know, right.
@@Trains21 What's changed?
Just a suggestion you should do a video just like this one only on Every Conrail Locomotive!
That would be a tall order (if you mean early Conrail) as they had over 5,000 locos in the beginning.. The final days, not-so-bad..
Trains21 I ment from Beginning-End so point taken A.C. thanks for replying
@@lnproductions3227 I know what you meant.. But like I said, early Conrail consisted of hundreds of locomotive types.. By the end, not nearly as many.
Great video. Can you do a video like this for the other class 1s??
I'll certainly try, Scott.. Thanks for watching.
9:02 I can't believe NS cancelled it
Believe it.
The 999 has been auctioned
OK Thanks.
Actually the only ex lehigh valley railroad ns has are gp 38 ac units
Ok thanks.
Oh hey, it's you
KCMO has two of those high hoods. Seems like all the odd ball NS power ends up out here.
Cool. Thanks.. That's good to know!
How can I get a real life locomotive???
If you have enough money, you can buy a real locomotive.. You'll need to pay for moving it and have a place to store it.. If you want a specific locomotive from a specific railroad, contact the railroad and ask them.
@@Trains21 The locomotive I want is EX Amtrak EMD F40PHR unit 404.
@@graphtonix6607 Then you need to contact Amtrak and see if they'd be willing to sell it to you.
@@Trains21 But LTEX has it now.
@@graphtonix6607 Then contact LTEX.
Thanks AC!
You're welcome!
13:51 hey trains21 what’s the name of your guide book?
Wow! That's a lot of locos AC! I don't know how you keep all that good information straight. I'm not surprised to hear that all those SD40-2s are still pulling freight. Certainly one of my favorites.
Stop by and check out my newest video if you get a chance. ruclips.net/video/uY9y1XQPw4Y/видео.html I hope to get some more up pretty soon. Thanks! Cheers, Danny
Most def.
I wish i discovered you a loooooong time ago
I wish you had too, we need good viewers like you.. Welcome aboard!
When do rebuild the 80MAC's into 80ACU's they'll definitely Put the ACe cab on their as it's Safer and more crash worthy than the 80MAC's "Whisper Cab"
OK thanks.
24:47 Appalakiana, Ohio
In this video, you forgot to say something that was not stored on the roster, GPTEB!
Equipped with cab and lead consist
GPTEB Numbers: 600, 601
Another Forgotten Locomotive Said:
RP14BD, cabless genset, 4 axles. All stored
Rebuilt from Ex-CRL/PC SW1500s
RP14BD Numbers: 2120, 2121
Other forgotten locomotives you haven't said yet are the RP-M4C, RP-E4C, RP-E4 and RPU6 plus RP-E4D (Georgia Only).
Note: NS SD70ACe 1000 rebuilt in 3/2016 with HTCR_6 trucks from Union Pacific's SD70ACe-T4.
@@tom-and-mom Interesting, I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing.
Is there any other Railroad company that's modifying their engines besides NS? Does NS have the most powerful diesels in the United States right now?
UP, CP, CSX and NS all have rebuilt locomotives.. Technically, UP's DDA40X is the most powerful diesel engine @ 6,600 hp.. However, they have two engines.. The SD80MAC is 5,000 hp and some SD90MACs were 6,000 hp as were some GE AC6000CWs which I believe were de-rated but you'd need to double check that.
Did NS ever have AC-6000s I know csx did for a while
no
Good question. Norfolk Southern never owned any AC60's. CSX and UP were the only USA class 1 railroads to buy those big GE's. All units have been retired on CSX, as you basically mentioned, and UP is currently rebuilding their AC60's into AC4400CW standards, I think. I hope someone with way more knowledge on UP rebuilds can touch up on my comment. I hope this helps.
Where can I get a HI-hood? Is there any at Enola? Oh wow I gotta tell SouthernTierRailFan that u meantioned him, hes a good friend of mine
I heard that the #5004 was working Allentown Yard.
Let's assume that I understood everything you said in regards to NS inventory? What value is that to me? If I want to go look at trains, I'll go look at trains. Please enlighten me. I would make the same comparison to a baseball fan interested his teams roster. I'm real new at this. Be gentle.
Depending on your level of interest, this video may not be of value to you.. That's for you to decide.. However, most of my viewers are seasoned railfans and knowledgeable of locomotive designations and their differences.. That said, they've made it clear that they wan't more videos that focus on locomotives.. Take Steve Murray's comment just above yours.. With all that in perspective, I understand if you're new to all of this but that's not my fault or my problem.. I make railroad related videos and (you) the viewer decides whether or not to watch them.. When you enter an arena and choose a weapon (which you have done) you shouldn't expect gentility.. You Tube is not warm and fuzzy.. The very last video that I made before this one talks heavily about that.. You should watch it if you haven't already.. That being said, I make no qualms about the fact that some of my videos may not be beginner friendly..
@@Trains21 I'm subscribed. I enjoy your vids. From what I gather you shoot alot in n.e. pa. I hope to visit some of those areas to photograph and video train activity in the not too distant future.
@@Trains21 back in September of 2019, I stayed at the Station Inn in Cresson. I had a blast. There were other folks there talking trains. I was waaaay out of my element. That won't stop me tho. I plan on returning in the spring. I'll visit Cresson, Cassandra, Galitzen, Altoona and anything else I can squeeze in.
When I first started videoing trains, someone commented on my video. "Oh 2 dash 9's". I had no clue what that meant. So I started the research. Found the roster on nsdash9 and loved the info. So having this video helps you to understand your locomotives.
Does this roster reflect foreign power that some how winds up running NS trains? I am guessing that most foreign power shown on your NS videos are un-patched units purchased ( not leased from a leasing company) by NS?
It would be interesting to follow one unit ( and the money) as it moves from it's home railroad in to service with another line, until it's returned to it's home railroad. I doubt if that can be done, but it would be a cool video... and a lot of work.
This video deals only with NS locos.. And yes, it would be a lot of work to follow a loco.. For me anyway!
Foreign power is not usually owned by NS, it belongs to another road and NS is borrowing it for the day.
Usually if foreign power is leading then that train is usually heading to that railroad. Or they could be using that power to equal out shared power. However, ns was in the hole to most foreign railroads 6 months ago
You said that the DC Gevos to be repowered to AC, probably the M-2’s will be too right?
Edit: That’s why there in storage
I said that I suspected it.. I don't anything for certain.
#2922 and #2948 are ex-PRR (I checked rrpicturesarchives.net)
OK, thanks for that info.
If anybody is wondering why railroads got rid of or derated their SD45s and SD45-2s, it’s because they produce the same amount of tractive effort as SD40-2s. 4 more cylinders and more fuel consumption for almost zero advantage was a recipe for retirement.
Makes total sense, I've always wondered why some now ex-SD45's on CSXT's roster were redesignated as SD40-2's. I never thought of it that way. I'm just glad more of those big 645-powered diesels are still active in 2019.
to be clear, the T4 credit units are technically delivered as SD70IAC, not ACE, correct?
it says ACE on the side of the the locomotives but on the computer screens it says IAC
Not even halfway through the next year and this needs a huge update...sadly
I know, right.. I thought that very same thing.
1700 is OP.
OK thanks.
Can you do CSX’s Class 1 locomotives next trains21?
I'll certainly give it a try in 2020.. Thanks for the suggestion.
Your welcome 😊
Can video roster on the Union Pacific I love sd70acc and sd70-m-2
I can try in 2020.. But you do realize that UP doesn't roster either of those models
Oh yeah I Forgot all about it
What are these "Coil" locomotives you keep mentioning A.C.?
where did SW1001 2101 go??
Auction
Didn't the N&W at its peak have 7k or 8k locomotives?
I would say no because Conrail upon formation had just 5,000 which constituted the largest fleet at the time.. Granted that was only for a few years but Conrail was much bigger than the SOU ever was.. But I could be wrong.
@@Trains21 I went and added up rosters, and I could only get at most, 2434 max for the N&W, not counting wrecked, retired, sold or transferred units. I was under the impression that they had a lot more. heh. sorry.
Check out Chris Toth's site NSDash9.com. Love those old 1991 GP60's
Thanks Peter.
GP38-3 are 3,000 HP
2000HP
John Harris Why are they 3000 hp? That doesn’t make sense. I think you mean GP40-3.
@@blackbirdgaming8147i meant to put 2,000 not 3,000 did relize what was posted until you replyed
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