The only thing I forgot to mention were that you should probably bring RULES FOR YOUR FACTION! In reality, most people can get by just with battlescribe, but that's not perfect. However, lugging around 4 books is pretty heavy, so... do what you need to do, if you get my drift!
Classic glass: retires grey knights on the eve of them actually being viable in new tournaments, wears a the OP tau shirt as a joke in good fun only to awkwardly stomp a new tau player first game, does well in the tournament while handicapped, loses to the 6’9” man once again dashing the hopes of normal sized people round the world
Bloody good channel mate. Been into 40k lore wise for almost 30yrs but never got into 40k table or even painted a miniature. Been watching your channel and uncle atoms and kill team looks like it could be my jam and going to take the plunge after Xmas. Thank you for the infotainment and the honest commentary. All the best for you and the channel in the new year.
Most important thing to do is place all your previous medals of tourney wins out as objective markers to intimidate your opponent and force them to concede because of your awesomeness and experience level ;) Actually, I generally take a small plastic leaf folder with print outs of all tactics, statistics, weapon rules and anything else I might need. Easier to flip through 6 pages then all those books. In the back of this folder I put tourney pack and Errata's as needed.
Fantastic video, mate! When I started out I found remembering all my tactic cards a bit daunting, especially under the pressure of tournament conditions (in fairness, I started out with GSC who've a ton of tactics, but since the annual came out, there's a lot more tactics all round). I found it useful that Kill Team Manager lets you print off a list of all your available tactics, and then I took coloured pens and colour coded which tactics were relevant to which phase of the game, like blue for movement, red for psyk, green for shooting etc. so that it was easier to see at a glance which tactics were possible at any given time. Subbed to the new channel too!
I probably should have mentioned tactics! tbf I intend to do an entire beginner series on top of individual tactica guides for every faction, so hopefully I'll get them covered there!
I think as learners we would really like to be able to look through the tactics at the start of each phase, but the fear is that we will annoy our opponent, who we think is already doing us a favour by giving us a game in the first place. I was lucky in that I found the London community to be very welcoming, but even so I think it would have been a bit much to ask to stop between each phase to read through all my tactics! Good luck with learning the game, hope you're finding games and enjoying yourself!
@@markmclean9640 I'm in Hertfordshire but work in London. GHD kindly put me on to the LWG whatsapp so hopefully I can join the community in the new year.
Thanks for the vid and game 5 on the day. Looking forward to the next London event. I only have a few opponents / factions at my local club so tournaments are a great chance to play against a wider range of opponents, factions and play styles.
Yes, a good game, thanks! The dice won it for me, if you'd continued rolling like you had with that flamer on turn 1, you'd have wrecked me :O I use tournaments as trial days sometimes as well. New opponents, new factions, so why not see how a new list performs! (although when I last did that, I came last, so...)
I would love to see an interview with some of your local tournament organizers about how they got started doing it. Suggestions on prize support, how do they feel about 3 color minimums, and how to pull in more players / advertise.
An interesting idea! tbh there's only one that is a "proper TO" as I'd term it. They are an employee of the store and they run the tournaments in said store, but I feel they do it more because they need to as part of their job than because they LOVE Kill Team.
@@GlassHalfDead I thought you said somewhere else that all the tournaments in London happen because of 3 people. Surely one of them is in it for the love. I am genuinely interested because we have players in my local area but the store does not do a good job of organizing these things.
@@Escapeexes yes, so to my knowledge there are 3 people around London (presumably there are more, but if so they've done such a poor job of advertising that I haven't heard about them!) That have organised a tournament. Myself (I ran it at my flgs which has now shut down, entirely unrelated I'm sure), a guy called Alec (he goes to the big stores in central London and pushes them to run a tournament or at least host it and he will run it) and Sia (the previously mentioned employee). So yes, there's love for the game, but not really by the hosts, just by the people pushing it. Most other people, although they love to attend the tournaments, wouldn't ever run one and are happy with with regular casual play.
@@GlassHalfDead Alec sounds like the chap we need to have a chap with! It's for sure the people that have love for the game that make it grow. The hosts will only be as interested if that will pull in more $$. That talk would definitely be for an even smaller demographic of your viewers but maybe someone would be inspired to host some tournaments! (like myself). Could also put a little spotlight on these people and give the viewers a peek at what goes on behind the scenes a bit.
@@GlassHalfDead look forward to the beginner guides, as I have just now got into KT...was always a 40k lore guy (books, etc) but have never played a single tabletop game. Well one afternoon after a RUclips rabbit hole, decided to play GK as beginner (seeing I've never painted either). So bought the strike team +old purifier set, along with the original KT starter set (for the terrain and book). Should have researched more as I am now realizing I am a year + behind with the release of elites, commanders, and the annual...so an "updated beginners guide" would be awesome....in the mean time, gotta cut some sprues, build, magnetize, and paint....
Taking Grey Knights for non-competetive reasons, happy to win two games and sit in the bottom half... I respect the shit outta that. I had already figured that if I ever check out a tourney, I'd have a very similar approach. I'd take my DW just because I think their gear is awesome and I like the way they play. Regardless, I'm fairly confident you would stomp me on the tabletop.
"Dress for the venue." Show boobs, got it. "Shoot the tips of weapons... rules as written." I'm not sure about that? Obscured says to count only the body of the model, not the weapons and banners.
12:03 there is an argument going on the admech section of your discord where I'm telling people the 5pt enhanced data tether is worth it because of the free nerve test re-rolls and the 2cp +2 to hits tactics, and they're all disagreeing with me. This guy losing the game on bad nerve test rolls pretty much says I'm right. Admech are Ld6, medium-horde shooty team - you're going to need nerve test buffs!
V-Neck does look better than expected :-) Also if you are being genuinely strict on RAW AtSKNF doesn't actually allow you to re-roll the nerve test... :-p
Honestly, everyone was talking as if a regular v-neck plunged down to your balls. wtf v-necks are you guys wearing :P We all know to ignore terrible GW written rules, luckily ;)
@@GlassHalfDead That's a high v-neck design. In the US the only v-neck T-shirts you'll normally see in stores are undershirts and women's T-shirts. It's tough to use that high a cut of v-neck for a man's formal undershirt - but it looks good as a designer T-shirt. Typically v-neck undershirts in the US run nearly as low as a men's tank-top. I do actually remember a time in the 1990s that high v-neck cut was popular on printed T-shirts, but they've been out of fashion and absent from store shelves for the better part of two decades now. I think they are due. :)
How do you feel in a competitive environment about WYSIWYG and calling people out for not representing models correctly, I'm mainly referring to the Eldar player in the video playing with a Bright Lance and calling it a Stat Cannon. I can see in causal play no issue with this but is misleading in a pressure situation if your not familiar with your opponent and can lead to mistakes.
So, when it comes to proxies, all I want is for the different models to be CLEARLY DIFFERENT. The HWP there, didn't matter. Now if he had 2 HWP's on the board that were identical but said one was X and one was Y, then I'd probably take a bit of an issue (in a tournament setting). I'm generally pretty lax on proxies though. Let's say you have a group of wyches and one has a shardnet and impaler, and all the wyches are the regular wych model but then the special weapon is a succubus or archon or guardsmen, then it's so obviously different to the others that I wouldn't mind. I remember playing against Harlies and having to ask which model had which weapons before I did ANYTHING even though they were all wysiwyg, the differences from 3ft away were hardly noticeable. And, frankly, if someone wants to make a wych squad be all guardmen but then gives them the correct wych weapons, then that's just fine by me!
Your opponent should have data cards for all their models. If in doubt ask to see the card. Frankly, WYSISYG is a cancer that needs excising from the game. It adds nothing but the ability for bad actors to bully new players who haven't memorised the look of every single weapon in the 40K universe.
@@majortom7186 see from a competitive stand point I'm the opposite WYSIWYG is essential as best as possible and those who dont follow it are almost cheating by deliberately misleading their opponents. My opinion is more formed from full 40k where there is a lot to keep track of and it should be common practice to look at a marine with a heavy bolter and assume it's a heavy bolter and not be forced to memorise its infact a lascannon. Now in KT its much easier to remember what a small number of models have but at worst your deliberately slowing the game down to double check what everything counts as rather than a visual inspection. Should we therefore not aim to avoid slowing the game down avoid potential confusion and model things correctly and if not why both putting weapons on at all. Again for friendly games and what not then proxy with coke cans for all I care but when I dont know you in a timed competitive environment to not be, as best as reasonably possible, be misled or slowed down.
@@boomstick40k , I play games competitively. I'm also relatively new to modern 40K games, and couldn't tell you the difference between the weapons of most factions, especially those like Necrons and Chaos that I don't play. Luckily for me and others like me there are data cards that tell me at a glance what my opponent is using, and asking to see the card takes no time at all. Nobody is misleading anyone, what the mini is carrying is on the card. Huge competitive games like X-Wing (1,000 players at this year's World Championships according to the BBC) work fine with cards, as do Kill Team and Warcry. All WYSIWYG does is let people bully other players into a particular hobby standard, and that's one of the many elements that makes the 40K community legendarily toxic.
Helpful video. We run tournaments at our FLGS, but they're really casual/beerhammer so basically everything is exactly the same as casual games but with pairings. Speaking of tournaments: a couple of us are considering attending your killteam tournament at the LGT this year. I couldn't find any info on it though. When will we be able to get tickets for that?
Lindeman? Are you from ye olde Sverige? Yes, there is NO info about it up anywhere yet, but don't worry I'll be making a big show and dance about it as soon as tickets are live! LGT is waiting for me to put together the first draft of my tournament pack. Expect them to be up mid January :)
@@GlassHalfDead not until you just mentioned it. I was planning to make the LGT the first tournament outside my flgs, but 22nd of february seems like a nice bit of time to prepare as well. I'll discuss it in our playgroup
Dear glass half dead, I've been wanting to get into tournament kill team. But i live right down in Cornwall UK, are you aware of any events within reasonable traveling distance in 2020? Your feedback would be very much appreciated.
Unfortunately, I'm not. My Discord only really seems to get notification of tournaments in London, USA, and Spain. Honestly, it comes down to needing a local champion (which inevitably has to be you). Around London, there's only 1-2 people that actually push for tournaments and are willing to run them (that I hear about). The community itself only really pulled together in the last 6 months. My first year of KT I was mainly playing against the same 4 people every week :(
Thanks very much for the feedback, maybe once I'm a lot more experienced. I can help promote something local i honestly wouldn't know where to start though 😆
Thanks for your video! I just started collecting for kill team and I have want a death guard (I own the dark imperium part and some single plague marines) and a adeptus mechanicus team (i just ordered a skitarii and a rust stalker box). Would it be possible to tell which units your opponnents, who play DG and ad mech, had? I just cant seem to understand what they say, maybe because my mother tongue isnt english. Thanks anyway for taking me (and probobly a lot of other people) the anxiety to participate in tournaments :) keep up the good work!
again no reason to buy that book. as you can see another tournament gives you missions to play. regardless if they are in the book or not. you don't actually need that book. just the original book.
The only thing I forgot to mention were that you should probably bring RULES FOR YOUR FACTION! In reality, most people can get by just with battlescribe, but that's not perfect. However, lugging around 4 books is pretty heavy, so... do what you need to do, if you get my drift!
Classic glass: retires grey knights on the eve of them actually being viable in new tournaments, wears a the OP tau shirt as a joke in good fun only to awkwardly stomp a new tau player first game, does well in the tournament while handicapped, loses to the 6’9” man once again dashing the hopes of normal sized people round the world
I lost the battle, but stay strong my short kings!
Bloody good channel mate. Been into 40k lore wise for almost 30yrs but never got into 40k table or even painted a miniature. Been watching your channel and uncle atoms and kill team looks like it could be my jam and going to take the plunge after Xmas. Thank you for the infotainment and the honest commentary. All the best for you and the channel in the new year.
Most important thing to do is place all your previous medals of tourney wins out as objective markers to intimidate your opponent and force them to concede because of your awesomeness and experience level ;)
Actually, I generally take a small plastic leaf folder with print outs of all tactics, statistics, weapon rules and anything else I might need. Easier to flip through 6 pages then all those books. In the back of this folder I put tourney pack and Errata's as needed.
I see you've got your competitive technique down! I like to take a look at their roster, laugh, and ask if they'd like to just concede already!
@@GlassHalfDead * Laugh and ask if there's another page.
Thank you so much for this! Keep making the content, you're doing a stellar job.
Love yr tournament vids, interviews and factions breackdowns. Best of luck in KT and in channel development!
Loving the videos!
Cheers!
Fantastic video, mate!
When I started out I found remembering all my tactic cards a bit daunting, especially under the pressure of tournament conditions (in fairness, I started out with GSC who've a ton of tactics, but since the annual came out, there's a lot more tactics all round).
I found it useful that Kill Team Manager lets you print off a list of all your available tactics, and then I took coloured pens and colour coded which tactics were relevant to which phase of the game, like blue for movement, red for psyk, green for shooting etc. so that it was easier to see at a glance which tactics were possible at any given time.
Subbed to the new channel too!
I probably should have mentioned tactics! tbf I intend to do an entire beginner series on top of individual tactica guides for every faction, so hopefully I'll get them covered there!
As a total noob that is where I struggle too. Had thought to have them listed out by phase, good to know you found it worked, I will give it a go too.
I think as learners we would really like to be able to look through the tactics at the start of each phase, but the fear is that we will annoy our opponent, who we think is already doing us a favour by giving us a game in the first place. I was lucky in that I found the London community to be very welcoming, but even so I think it would have been a bit much to ask to stop between each phase to read through all my tactics! Good luck with learning the game, hope you're finding games and enjoying yourself!
@@markmclean9640 I'm in Hertfordshire but work in London. GHD kindly put me on to the LWG whatsapp so hopefully I can join the community in the new year.
Fantastic! Welcome, and look forward to meeting you irl
Thanks for the vid and game 5 on the day. Looking forward to the next London event. I only have a few opponents / factions at my local club so tournaments are a great chance to play against a wider range of opponents, factions and play styles.
Yes, a good game, thanks! The dice won it for me, if you'd continued rolling like you had with that flamer on turn 1, you'd have wrecked me :O
I use tournaments as trial days sometimes as well. New opponents, new factions, so why not see how a new list performs! (although when I last did that, I came last, so...)
I would love to see an interview with some of your local tournament organizers about how they got started doing it. Suggestions on prize support, how do they feel about 3 color minimums, and how to pull in more players / advertise.
An interesting idea! tbh there's only one that is a "proper TO" as I'd term it. They are an employee of the store and they run the tournaments in said store, but I feel they do it more because they need to as part of their job than because they LOVE Kill Team.
@@GlassHalfDead I thought you said somewhere else that all the tournaments in London happen because of 3 people. Surely one of them is in it for the love. I am genuinely interested because we have players in my local area but the store does not do a good job of organizing these things.
@@Escapeexes yes, so to my knowledge there are 3 people around London (presumably there are more, but if so they've done such a poor job of advertising that I haven't heard about them!) That have organised a tournament. Myself (I ran it at my flgs which has now shut down, entirely unrelated I'm sure), a guy called Alec (he goes to the big stores in central London and pushes them to run a tournament or at least host it and he will run it) and Sia (the previously mentioned employee). So yes, there's love for the game, but not really by the hosts, just by the people pushing it.
Most other people, although they love to attend the tournaments, wouldn't ever run one and are happy with with regular casual play.
@@GlassHalfDead Alec sounds like the chap we need to have a chap with! It's for sure the people that have love for the game that make it grow. The hosts will only be as interested if that will pull in more $$.
That talk would definitely be for an even smaller demographic of your viewers but maybe someone would be inspired to host some tournaments! (like myself). Could also put a little spotlight on these people and give the viewers a peek at what goes on behind the scenes a bit.
You should also do a Beginner's Guide to Organising Your First Kill Team Tournament.
Nice idea! I'll slot it into my ideas list of beginner guides to KT I hope to do next year :)
@@GlassHalfDead look forward to the beginner guides, as I have just now got into KT...was always a 40k lore guy (books, etc) but have never played a single tabletop game. Well one afternoon after a RUclips rabbit hole, decided to play GK as beginner (seeing I've never painted either). So bought the strike team +old purifier set, along with the original KT starter set (for the terrain and book). Should have researched more as I am now realizing I am a year + behind with the release of elites, commanders, and the annual...so an "updated beginners guide" would be awesome....in the mean time, gotta cut some sprues, build, magnetize, and paint....
Taking Grey Knights for non-competetive reasons, happy to win two games and sit in the bottom half... I respect the shit outta that. I had already figured that if I ever check out a tourney, I'd have a very similar approach. I'd take my DW just because I think their gear is awesome and I like the way they play. Regardless, I'm fairly confident you would stomp me on the tabletop.
"Dress for the venue."
Show boobs, got it.
"Shoot the tips of weapons... rules as written."
I'm not sure about that? Obscured says to count only the body of the model, not the weapons and banners.
12:03 there is an argument going on the admech section of your discord where I'm telling people the 5pt enhanced data tether is worth it because of the free nerve test re-rolls and the 2cp +2 to hits tactics, and they're all disagreeing with me. This guy losing the game on bad nerve test rolls pretty much says I'm right. Admech are Ld6, medium-horde shooty team - you're going to need nerve test buffs!
The guy who played elder was actually using a pulse laser as a starcannon. Should have picked him up on that.
Why? If it was played accurate to the roster/card/whatever, why would it matter what's on the model?
@@stormisuedonym4599 I made this comment ten months ago. Why don't you tell me?
V-Neck does look better than expected :-)
Also if you are being genuinely strict on RAW AtSKNF doesn't actually allow you to re-roll the nerve test... :-p
Honestly, everyone was talking as if a regular v-neck plunged down to your balls. wtf v-necks are you guys wearing :P
We all know to ignore terrible GW written rules, luckily ;)
@@GlassHalfDead That's a high v-neck design. In the US the only v-neck T-shirts you'll normally see in stores are undershirts and women's T-shirts. It's tough to use that high a cut of v-neck for a man's formal undershirt - but it looks good as a designer T-shirt. Typically v-neck undershirts in the US run nearly as low as a men's tank-top.
I do actually remember a time in the 1990s that high v-neck cut was popular on printed T-shirts, but they've been out of fashion and absent from store shelves for the better part of two decades now. I think they are due. :)
Well geez, I wouldn't wear a v-neck that challenged a woman's plunge dress. I feel this is very sensible!
How do you feel in a competitive environment about WYSIWYG and calling people out for not representing models correctly, I'm mainly referring to the Eldar player in the video playing with a Bright Lance and calling it a Stat Cannon. I can see in causal play no issue with this but is misleading in a pressure situation if your not familiar with your opponent and can lead to mistakes.
So, when it comes to proxies, all I want is for the different models to be CLEARLY DIFFERENT. The HWP there, didn't matter. Now if he had 2 HWP's on the board that were identical but said one was X and one was Y, then I'd probably take a bit of an issue (in a tournament setting). I'm generally pretty lax on proxies though. Let's say you have a group of wyches and one has a shardnet and impaler, and all the wyches are the regular wych model but then the special weapon is a succubus or archon or guardsmen, then it's so obviously different to the others that I wouldn't mind.
I remember playing against Harlies and having to ask which model had which weapons before I did ANYTHING even though they were all wysiwyg, the differences from 3ft away were hardly noticeable. And, frankly, if someone wants to make a wych squad be all guardmen but then gives them the correct wych weapons, then that's just fine by me!
Your opponent should have data cards for all their models. If in doubt ask to see the card. Frankly, WYSISYG is a cancer that needs excising from the game. It adds nothing but the ability for bad actors to bully new players who haven't memorised the look of every single weapon in the 40K universe.
@@majortom7186 TECHNICALLY the rules never actually tell us what any of the models look like, so... as long as they look different, they are correct!
@@majortom7186 see from a competitive stand point I'm the opposite WYSIWYG is essential as best as possible and those who dont follow it are almost cheating by deliberately misleading their opponents.
My opinion is more formed from full 40k where there is a lot to keep track of and it should be common practice to look at a marine with a heavy bolter and assume it's a heavy bolter and not be forced to memorise its infact a lascannon.
Now in KT its much easier to remember what a small number of models have but at worst your deliberately slowing the game down to double check what everything counts as rather than a visual inspection.
Should we therefore not aim to avoid slowing the game down avoid potential confusion and model things correctly and if not why both putting weapons on at all.
Again for friendly games and what not then proxy with coke cans for all I care but when I dont know you in a timed competitive environment to not be, as best as reasonably possible, be misled or slowed down.
@@boomstick40k , I play games competitively. I'm also relatively new to modern 40K games, and couldn't tell you the difference between the weapons of most factions, especially those like Necrons and Chaos that I don't play. Luckily for me and others like me there are data cards that tell me at a glance what my opponent is using, and asking to see the card takes no time at all. Nobody is misleading anyone, what the mini is carrying is on the card. Huge competitive games like X-Wing (1,000 players at this year's World Championships according to the BBC) work fine with cards, as do Kill Team and Warcry. All WYSIWYG does is let people bully other players into a particular hobby standard, and that's one of the many elements that makes the 40K community legendarily toxic.
Helpful video. We run tournaments at our FLGS, but they're really casual/beerhammer so basically everything is exactly the same as casual games but with pairings.
Speaking of tournaments: a couple of us are considering attending your killteam tournament at the LGT this year. I couldn't find any info on it though. When will we be able to get tickets for that?
Lindeman? Are you from ye olde Sverige?
Yes, there is NO info about it up anywhere yet, but don't worry I'll be making a big show and dance about it as soon as tickets are live! LGT is waiting for me to put together the first draft of my tournament pack. Expect them to be up mid January :)
@@GlassHalfDead nope, I'm from the Netherlands actually. So it's quite a short flight.
Ok, cool. I'll look at it mid january. Thanks for your reply
@@lennartlindeman2465 like the krokets, can't get them here 😭
Hope you guys can make it!
Are you looking at going to the Prague tournament as well?
@@GlassHalfDead not until you just mentioned it. I was planning to make the LGT the first tournament outside my flgs, but 22nd of february seems like a nice bit of time to prepare as well.
I'll discuss it in our playgroup
9:40 should definitely have represented your DG opponent by interviewing a bottle labelled "salty tears"
"How uncouth! What am I? A Tory?!"
This earnt a thumbs up and a subscribe, sir!
Dear glass half dead, I've been wanting to get into tournament kill team. But i live right down in Cornwall UK, are you aware of any events within reasonable traveling distance in 2020? Your feedback would be very much appreciated.
Unfortunately, I'm not. My Discord only really seems to get notification of tournaments in London, USA, and Spain. Honestly, it comes down to needing a local champion (which inevitably has to be you). Around London, there's only 1-2 people that actually push for tournaments and are willing to run them (that I hear about). The community itself only really pulled together in the last 6 months. My first year of KT I was mainly playing against the same 4 people every week :(
Thanks very much for the feedback, maybe once I'm a lot more experienced. I can help promote something local i honestly wouldn't know where to start though 😆
Thanks for your video! I just started collecting for kill team and I have want a death guard (I own the dark imperium part and some single plague marines) and a adeptus mechanicus team (i just ordered a skitarii and a rust stalker box). Would it be possible to tell which units your opponnents, who play DG and ad mech, had? I just cant seem to understand what they say, maybe because my mother tongue isnt english. Thanks anyway for taking me (and probobly a lot of other people) the anxiety to participate in tournaments :) keep up the good work!
again no reason to buy that book. as you can see another tournament gives you missions to play. regardless if they are in the book or not. you don't actually need that book. just the original book.
Do you mean the Annual? It was a good purchase for me, glad I got it :)