The Original Plans for the Snyderverse
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2024
- Taking a look at what Zack Snyder's Justice League sequels and Snyderverse would have been like had it not been canceled.
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0:00 Intro
0:21 Darkseid
1:13 Justice League Part 2
3:35 Green Lantern
4:36 Justice League Part 3
6:28 Love Triangle
7:23 Original Snyderverse Plans
7:49 Cyborg
8:18 Flashpoint
9:35 What Went Wrong?
10:57 Henry Cavill
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The true villain of the DCEU was always Warner Brothers
I'm not sure I would agree with you. The end goal might sound great but you have to be able to build up to it. The missteps before JL are the issue to me. Retconning man of steel into the synderverse was probably not a great idea and was a mediocre film. BvS was also mediocre as well. He needed is Iron Man and did not have one. As per the video, they had already lost faith in him. Hopefully Gunn has the ability that synder lacked.
I agree, the true villains were brothers. If they didn't rush into JL so they can compete with Marvel and took their time in building a universe it could've worked.
@@talariswatts-el9196 , should have made a Superman sequel and Ben Affleck's Batman. And the Wonder Woman movie before they all united in Justice League.
The true VILLAIN of JUSTICE LEAGUE is one DIRECTOR who forcefully add his vision on already established characters
@@matthewgaudet4064 ZACK SNYDER show that JUSTICE LEAGUE is nothing without SUPERMAN. There are total depend on SUPERMAN. and SUPERMAN is also villain of JUSTICE LEAGUE who want to kill CYBORG and FLASH without any reason
DC already had a shared universe before the MCU. It’s called the DCAU, and it’s perfect
Marvel had an animated universe running at the same time
On God
For children yeah
marvel also did it before the DCAU with the spiderman 1994 universe but yes
have you even seen it@@RetroBacon1
Reverse Flash pulling the strings of everything just to torment Barry would've been the most in-character thing any of these people did
Agreed
Something I’m sad we never got to see was Flashpoint Batman portrayed by Jeffery Dean Morgan, alongside Lauren Cohan’s Joker. They were brilliantly cast as Bruce’s parents in BvS, perfectly setting them up for these characters
When I saw him in BvS (knowing the rumors about a Flashpoint movie) I was really excited to see what Snyder would do with him. I feel like Flashpoint is the kind of movie he should direct.
@@kingofhearts3185 as much I think that the actors are unfortunately probably past the point of wanting to do it, I’d adore it for Snyder to make Flashpoint
I get WHY they got Keaton, and I can't be mad at it, but JDM just FEELS like a more believable older Batman, and I would have LOVED to have seen that too!
@@carlosrvra I get the feeling Morgan would not play Batman for just anybody, and it would need to be something completely different. He must have been interested in Snyder’s vision and the story of Flashpoint Batman
Yeah flashpoint is sumn Snyder should direct and have someone write tho
I completely disagree with Snyder's vision on these superheroes, but i also think what WB did to him is horrible and he doesn't deserve the mistreatment when so much was out of his control
It sure sounds like WB told him "you're THE guy!" And then realized "oh. We don't like this guy or any of his ideas. He's NOT The Guy".
He stole a hard drive and sicked his mouthbreather fans on reporters with death threats. He got what was coming.
@@GreenPeelEL34 Yeah he didn't do any of that. Cry about it though
@@GreenPeelEL34what absolute bollocks.
A simple “I hate Zack Snyder and disagree with his ideas.” Would’ve sufficed. Otherwise you suck as bad as his fanboys.
Yet another proof of how out of touch the WB executives are. The MCU didn't succeed because of the stupid jokes but thanks to years of " world building " and character development but what else could we expect from the people who gave us Batman & Robin?
A couple kids parrot their mothers on a daytime talk show and WB shits their pants
Character development is when the main character funds for drone warfare programs on 3 seperate occasions, all Leading to disastrous results... such great writing
But they *NEEDED* the World Building since Not Everyone Knows the Marvel Characters as Well as They Know The DC Characters
@@MOCguy1you can apply the same argument to DC as well. Yes, people know of batman and superman but the other characters need proper introductions as well. If DC thought the same as you it was arrogance on their part.
I mean did you even listen to that garbage justice league pitch Snyder had for an orginal trilogy or whatever the love triangle between Lois lane batman and superman sounds like garbage batman dying sounds awful the illegitimate bat son just being taken to the batcave by superman and Lois 20 years later also sounds terrible. Wb executives made the right call shooting that down.
I think Znyder + a good writer would have been a great combo for the justice league trilogy
It wasn't going to work out either way, since WB wanted young audience to see their favorite heroes on the big screen
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@@chimpo961 I mean, they wanted to cut more comic-book characters for HUMOR.
We not gonna forget about Superman being itchy and the concept of Brunch? XD
Yh just no weird love triangle shit
Speaking of Justice League, I really wish the 2011 Will Beall script Ben Affleck was offered to direct was online. The script’s story is online, but not the actual script. It sounds really good and would make a good What Could Have Been video
Link?
If you look at sources like The Wrap, you can read the premise. Just type ‘Will Beall Justice League script’ in Google
You mean the Arkham movie? Omg that movie sounded incredible
That’s sounds interesting
that and George Millers JL mortal. WB had so many chances to do a dc cinematic universe over the years and they just kept screwing them up.
Im not a "Snyder fan" and i was a fan of the MCU prior to endgame but i definitely enjoyed The Justice League Snydercut.
Ditto. Not a Snyder fan at all, and I have problems with most of his movies. But the Snyder cut was the only movie I felt that touched what DC could be….until it keeps going with the future vision and the Martian Manhunter bit. If it stopped before it became so masturbatory, I might’ve loved it even.
That could never have been a theatrical film though..... There is no room in a cinema for a 4 hour movie
I went in with low expectations and liked it very much, what he got down was the scale of the invasion and the League's might. Top DCEU. Next to
Shazam, MoS, WW, Aquaman and The Suicide Squad.
I'm not a Snyder fan either... but I didn't like the Snyder cut, I just want a story about an actually good Batman and Superman where they don't just instantly screw the other one's wife or turn evil, or have Batman kill causing a whole crowd of people who think Batman uses guns and kills people
Yea u said it perfectly
ZS is an amazing visual film maker. He knows the best art director, costume design, and set design. He knows how to get the best shots, make these heroes look good… but the guy can’t write a solid story or character development to save his life.
I honestly believe these movies would’ve done a lot better if they just tried to set themselves apart from MCU. Instead of showing superhero’s in our modern day. The JL would’ve fit a lot better in the 40’s/50’s, or 70’s. Make their costumes look like Alex Ross’s artwork, classic. Set the universe in the silver age of comics.
Iwl they would be a laughing stock if they do that
yeah no they wouldn't @@JohnJo-qn7wq
I mean, Snyder said he doesn't like Superman... I don't know why they let him write Superman that's just a set up for failure
@@loselot6044Exactly. Why do Snyder fans ignore this detail about Zack Snyder. His Henry Cavill Superman didn't connect with general audiences and he wanted to CUCKHOLD Superman
@@suezcontours6653because just like Snyder, they aren't actual comic fans. And if they claim they are, youbknow they only have a small collection of Elseworld stories.
The biggest injustice done to the fan's is we never got Affleck solo Batman. Dealing with his rogues Deathstroke and Joker would've been pretty good if done correct. Under Affleck's directing it would've been awesome.
“Injustice” lol
Love triangle between Bruce, Clark, and Lois sounds absolutely horrible. The thing about the DCEU is yeah WB did no favors in helping it succeed but honestly Zack's ideas were also just awful.
Very awful. I like the Superman and Batman connection in the animated movie for example where some of the heroes are working for Lex, but Superman and Batman won't cause they know Lex hasn't changed. Two scenes for instance stand out with their friendship. The one where Superman has a Kryptonite bullet in him and having to deal with Metallo. Batman tries to get it out , Superman makes a joke. Batman says do me a favor lose the humor, Superman replies do me a favor and buy one. Through out the movie they have each other's backs. Also scene where Superman grabs Lex telling him he basically just set Batman to his death blasting the rocket ship he is in and says that was my best friend. Moments like that and through the Justice League animated series, there is a mutual respect between them. To do a movie where Clark is gone, Bruce gives in to feelings for her and hooks up with her is horrible. Bruce has had plenty of love interests he could have pursued, plus in the comics he is a good looking wealthy man. He could get a woman easily. He don't need to get freaky with his best friends woman.
You sound like you enjoy the Batman Batgirl affair in DCAU.
@@handphone77 Why would I enjoy that if I wouldn’t enjoy this love triangle huh?
@@Kevo6492the Bruce & Lois thing was never gonna happen it was a scrapped idea
Lois is literally pregnant with Clark’s child in ZSJL
@@kentrelltv9449 I didn’t say it happened though? I’m criticizing the idea?
Fun Fact: Charlie Hunnam, Dylan Minnette And Aaron Taylor-Johnson Were All Considered For The Role Of The Flash Before Ezra Miller Was Cast
Aaron Taylor Johnson Is Already The Flash
All of these would have been better
Aaron Taylor Johnson would have been hilarious, but in all seriousness Charlie Hunnam seems like a good pick.
Charlie Hunnam seems like Green Arrow to me.
Aaron Taylor Johnson could’ve been amazing. But WB went with Ezra. What a waste.
Not always a fan of Snyder, but I like some of these ideas and I do feel like, as usual, a version of these films that was more in line with Snyders vision, with more minimal notes outside, would have been better than what we got. Giving him full control would have been flawed for sure, but the studio did not make the right moves, by any means.
The biggest what if in cinematic history
I truly believe that if WB adapted a live action DCAU, it would have been a success. They should have hired Bruce Timm.
fuck no. keep his batman/batgirl ideas shit away from dc
Paul Dini should certainly be in the mix.
And Paul Dini. And keep Bruce Timm away from Batgirl
The same guy who shipped Batman and Batgirl? Hell no.
Actually James Gunn has stated multiple times that DCAU is the blueprint for the DCU
With the way Snyder films are still talked about and debated (no matter which side you’re on) so many years after release, can you imagine the kind of impact the JL trilogy would’ve had? Batman sacrificing himself for the League, Superman uniting the armies of Earth? It would’ve been a sight to behold
Nah lmao BvS was ass and Justice League was bad as well. It had zero chance of making it that far. Snyder just isn't a good storyteller.
@@StylishGazno it did cus the bvs Ue and ZSJL were actually good movies. James Gunns dcu ain’t to go far after Superman legacy flops.
@@StylishGaz thanks for proving my point man, great teamwork
@@StylishGaz🤡
@@filmgoblin5016 You will eat your words come July, 2025 when David Corenswet drops a masterclass performance & the movie hit, you Snyder cultist.
"We'll be there no matter what" - Pep Guardiola.
I don't think this will ever happen, but I would love to read this story as oversized hardcover OGNs with page layouts by Snyder, dialogue script by Chris Terrio, and painted artwork by Lee Bermejo.
Lee....there's someone online i think his name is Dustin Massey, he does Lee-like work and he's big into makin DCEU art and he's constantly pushing out stuff on Batfleck, SuperCavill and even Adam. Look him up.
Imo what they should do is just make the rest of the Snyderverse animated tbh
I was never a fan of Jared Leto's joker but that one scene at the end of ZSJL totally redeemed him in my eyes it's just a shame we're never gonna get another sequel
It's a fever dream at this point
Even after following all the twists and turns in the development of the Snyderverse, finally hearing how all the plot threads would've connected in Justice League 2 and 3 has scratched a 10-year itch for me. That would've been awesome.
The ending of Zach Snyder's cut in the future made me so excited even though I knew we'd never see it in this timeline
The thing nobody ever mentions about BvS is that one of the things that definitely killed the movie in its egg is when they revealed Doomsday in the trailer. Definitely could have been a great twist to discover while watching the movie. No, show everything all the time is the marketing motto of the last 10 years.
Yeah those trailers spoiled everything
never understood why studios want so much 'comedy' that is legitimately one of the main things that killed comic book movies.
Blame Whedon, Gunn, and Taika
Comedy can be balanced. We didn't immediately go from something like Winter Soldier to Love and Thunder. I don't like too much comedy either but ZS wanted the DCEU to be soulless like Watchmen. All grey and dark for no reason
This tells you everything that’s wrong with Hollywood today. Studio executives who think they know what we want say “avengers have a few jokes, that must be why everyone liked it…give the barking seals comedy!”
They destroy a good directors creative vision for some mainstream bullshit they think we want. We lost out huge not seeing the 3 part snyderverse justice league. The story is so riveting I would love to see it.
Given how bad every Snyder film was in the DCEU and since the DCEU, I think WB were incredibly smart not to let him keep going. Almost every movie lost the studio money. Could you imagine losing hundreds of millions and then saying "well wait till I've finished my artistic vision because people will love it".
The blame goes to both Snyder and WB. BVS could've been good if WB understood what fans wanted. Someone at WB should've told Snyder that Superman needs to smile, gives us a better Lex Luthor, scrap Doomsday, no forced JL set up and a better script. Buy that's problem WB executives didn't know anything about comics they just know the avengers made a billion dollars. Because no comic book fan would've allowed BVS to hit theaters without first making those changes.
@@dragonrings14Shit take is shit. 🤷 Army of Dead was VERY well received, and we haven't really even seen his new SciFi movie yet, but just some mangled studio mandated PG-13 husk of ass that Snyder obviously only shat out because he was contractually obligated to. Also, you're fucking drunk and/or lying out your f*cking ASS about the movies all losing money!!! Batman V. Superman was HUGE at the box office with nearly a trillion in gross revenue (≈$900 million on a ≈$200-$300 million budget). And Man of Steel wasn't a massive success, but it definitely didn't lose money. 🤷
@@talariswatts-el9196Batman V. Superman was actually generally shockingly well received by the pop culture & comic nerds. It was mostly everyone else that didn't like it. And while not great or anything, the VASTLY IMPROVED Director's Cut is a totally solid movie though. 🤷 Also, Jesse Eisenberg was a GREAT Lex Luther. He's one of the better parts about those interesting but very flawed films.
@@Cooe. but everyone else is what really matters. I'm a comic book fan too but you have to make a movie like this mainstream. A random dream sequence with Batman fighting Parademons and Superman being under the control of Darkside is completely lost to the mainstream audience. I think that's part of the problem.
😂😂😂 The love triangle from pearl harbor!
Bruce Kent 🤣
I really wish we could have gotten this version of the DCEU. I appreciate that Snyder was able to make something so different from the MCU, and that storyline and vision really needed to be finished.
This story is so stupid and all over the place and has no comic book inspiration at all
@@MrJJDIZZLE23 And the MCU does ? 😂😂
@EmperorGuyver yes it went on for 10 years and endgame its ending made over a billion dollars and I hate marvel, the DCU with gunn already seems it'd better then whatever this is
@@MrJJDIZZLE23 You mfs act like they were flawless in those 10 years. Ppl seem to forget they had trash in every phase...
And also that wasnt my point, my point is that the MCU has no comic inspiration.. it was never accurate and made dumb decisions. For someone who hates Marvel you sure tried to shield them pretty hard
And Gunn has made the same thing for 10 years, since GOTG everything was just like it.. his DCU will be trash
@EmperorGuyver Looking at your channel and videos and weird comments you definitely give serial killer, sex offender type vibes so maybe you should work on getting help on your demons 🤷🏽♂️
I'm in the minority of people who enjoyed BvS (for the most part) and Zack Snyder's Justice League. These other films mentioned here, sounded even better to me! I especially liked Ray Fisher's take on Cyborg and was hoping to see him get his own solo movie.
BvS was disappointing but most people really loved Zack Snyder’s Justice League, we should have gotten the sequel.
Some interesting ideas, but having Batman and Lois Lane hook up seems a little too far out there. I'm curious to know if Warner wanted a humorous approach from the very beginning. If so, why did they hire Snyder? Humor is definitely not his strong suit. But the biggest lesson here is that panic moves almost never work. Trying to abruptly reverse course with the Justice League film and go with a lighter tone was a disaster.
They actually wanted to stay as far away from a light tone as they could after Superman Returns performed poorly. They wanted Nolan to do with Superman what he did with Batman, but he had no interest and recommended Snyder after loving his Watchmen.
Even then, it was meant to be a one and done with Snyder with maybe being involved in Man of Steel 2, but then Avengers happened, WB wanted that money too, so they enticed him with going all out with full creative control and well it sadly went poorly for everyone.
As someone who became a fan of Snyder in my youth with his Dawn remake, I was really confused he was picked to spearhead DC. I was optimistic, but not surprised with the results. I am happy he's doing his own thing and that DC can get another shot with Gunn.
You know, thinking about it some more your last statement hits like a truck, WB shoots itself on the foot with panic move after panic move and it's been like that since Reeve's Superman, Keaton's Batman, and more with the ONLY exception being Nolan's trilogy.
Joss Whedon said he was burnt out from the Marvel execs telling him Avengers 2 had to be 'funny', set up Ragnarok, Civil War, the infinity war, etc...
If I were WB, I'd have greenlit Joss Whedon to create his own Justice League movie, no strings, no mandates, just tell him to make the Avengers look like a saturday morning cartoon.
Then get Snyder to consult on some action set pieces (the only thing I htink he can do well as shown by the warehouse fight scene).
I'd be up for that in another timeline, Whedon knows his character work, or knew. This sorta killed his career along with allegations.
What's sad is Whedon never wanted to take over for Snyder. He reluctantly accepted because of Snyder's daughter and that DC promised to let him make a Batgirl film. In the end though they didn't let him make Batgirl but made it themselves. A film so bad it is legally not allowed to be released to the public. I hope James Gunn considers giving Whedon a movie in his new universe.
Joss Weadon would've made a great film if he was able to make it from the ground up.
@@dragonrings14 fucking why? he is a piece of shit? he was very clearly self sabotaging to fuck over DC because hes a marvel suckass? You really want him to be employed after every allegation? reconsider your fucking life holy shit
The MCU was built from the foundation to the pent house. The Snyder-verse was built with the pent house first. The foundation and the the rest of the story was left to nothing, with no support for the pent house. Eventually the foundation collapsed in the DCEU. The MCU is repeating its formula and is running into its own problems. We will see what happens next with both the DCU and the MCU.
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I think all could have been averted if WB had just released BvS, closer to what became the Ultimate Edition. The Ultimate Edition is incredible and it could have been enough for the Snyderverse to move forward as planned.
I actually liked the theatrical version better cause to me the ultimate edition even though it’s not bad felt like a video game walkthrough cause it spelled out the plot more for the average audience who couldn’t tell lex was the driving force of the movie’s plot and I didn’t like Jimmy Olsen being a throw away character as a code name for a government agent
@@kevin10001 I honestly expected the real Jimmy Olsen to show up at the end of the movie, just to show that the agent that was killed was just using his identity
Riddler solving the anti life equation and blowing his head off?😂😂
This looks like MelBrooksverse 😂
Also important to mention how the continuity of the universe was also messed up by WB very early on:
-Wonder Woman was supposed to tease the Mother Boxes (now a deleted scene on RUclips)
-BvS was supposed to tease Lex's involvement with Steppenwolf (as seen in the Ultimate cut) which would explain why he knew so much stuff about everything and everyone.
-Suicide Squad was supposed to reveal Joker and Enchantress were working with Steppenwolf to prepare for Darkseid after Superman died
-SS was also supposed to end with Enchantress giving some powers to Joker, which would explain how he survived the apocalyptic future and why he knew vital information such as the location of kryptonite
-Same movie, Harley is said to have been involved in the death of Robin, which is quite impossible as Robin's death was the reason the Joker got sent to Arkham where he met Harley. The director stated this was an error introduced by the editing team
-BvS wasn't supposed to have Doomsday at all
And a fun fact, The Riddler loses his mind after solving the Omega Equation because he believed he had solved the ultimate puzzle and there was nothing else to do with his life after that.
This would've been absolutly wild but I remember at one point during the development of ONE version of the Flash, Will Farrell was rumored to be in consideration for Reverse-Flash
I wanted the Snyderverse to be completed so bad. The plot outline sounds like it would've been the most epic thing ever.
True true
Yeah
In the era of dominant streaming services, I am confident we will eventually see a Zack Snyder Justice League 2 & 3 as a miniseries. Warner Bros. would be leaving incredible piles of cash on the table. The marketing/hype would be incredible.
Warner Bro should let directors for their own version of their own movie
in all fairness, Marvel does the same thing. Directors end up walking away from MCU projects cause they want to something different and darker.
WB should let directors for their own version...
Huh?
Yeah I would’ve a problem with the love triangle thing cause it would be too weird. Batman isn’t in love with Lois, he’s in love with Diana, Selina, Talia, and many others. Otherwise he’s not looking for a relationship
It would have been very weird but I don’t think the issue is Bruce being in love with Lois. This version of Batman would have only had one solo Batman movie and it’s not like Snyder was going for comic accuracy in his films. But the whole Lois being pregnant with Bruce’s baby would have caused an outrage amongst Superman fans for sure.
@@nikunjdixit3225it’s not like Bruce and Lois haven’t dated n the past cause in the Batman Superman adventures on kids wb that served as the final seasons of both Batman the animated series and Superman the animated series Lois dated Bruce Wayne abut broke up with him after finding out he was Batman during there altercation with the joker’s robot cause she couldn’t handle him being Batman at the end of the plot
@@kevin10001 Yeah, but they dated for like two or three episodes. And it was fairly clear that it wasn’t going anywhere. Having Lois be pregnant with Bruce’s child is a different level which would have caused outrage among Superman fans.
@@nikunjdixit3225 not me and I’m a Superman fan for years
A.... a nuke kills Darkseid
Remember when "Superman Kills" used to be a mere SNL punchline? I miss that.
I hope James Gunn helps DC to take over this decade
Because I'm sick of the MCU
But I also hope that he takes it seriously too, because I'll be damned if it has the same comedic tone of the MCU
James Gunn is going to fail hard and the DCU will be DOA. Not all of that will be Gunn's fault because WB execs are the absolute the worst in the business, but Gunn just doesn't have the chops to helm an entire Universe.
That original plan seems a lot more like the interconnected DC animated films; maybe someday after they've got a "yay" or "nah" on the success of the Gunnverse, they'll take Snyder's original idea and make a three part animated film. I could see them trying to milk the fandom of the Snyderverse one more time, and maybe directing an animated project could be up Snyder's alley. Get the original cast to do VA and I think Waner Bros would see enough dollar signs to green light it.
Reverse Flash being the final boss would have been great.
If Snyder was given the reigns on an Injustice Series, I think we'd see his movies a lot more positively.
I liked some of what he was trying, but he was the wrong person to lead a mainline DC Cinematic Universe
WB executives are the biggest villains in the story of the DCEU.
They're the ones who hired the writer and director of The Dark Knight Trilogy (to write and exec. produce MoS), and wanted it to have a similar tone - thus why it's dark and gloomy.
They're the ones who, despite MoS being a success, panicked because it didn't make Avengers levels of money, and rushed to introduce Batman instead of giving us the planned MoS2.
The WB execs were the ones who cut 30 mins of the runtime of BvS so they could screen more showings in an attempt to get more money, but ultimately ruined the movie instead, meaning less people wanted to watch it. Thus why the directors cut is heralded as being far far better.
They're the ones who screwed over David Ayer and butchered his movie, turning it into a glorified music video.
They screwed over Zack Synder every step of the way. And no where is it more obvious than the cringingly gross Josstice Leauge and the infinitely better Snyder Cut.
I'm not going to pretend Snyder's takes on these characters are perfect. Just want to point out he does get way too much hate and blame for what happened. When most of the time he was following orders from WB execs. And movies like MoS and BvS he didn't even write. People always seem to forget the guy who wrote Nolan's Batman movies is the guy who wrote MoS and co-wrote BvS. Snyder's writing credits are on the first WW movie and his own Justice League film. And credit where credit is due, that movie did a great job with Cyborg and Flash in particular.
Now we have the sequel to the DCEU.... James Gunn's DCU.... where he is the villain.
The worst part of the SnyderVerse is definitely hiring Jose Whedon to do reshoots for Justice League and the Ezra Miller Allegations. With James Gunn’s upcoming DCU, I’m looking forward to seeing Superman: Legacy and I know it would fix the mistakes Man of Steel and I really didn’t like how the SnyderVerse portrayed Superman even if Henry Cavill was a great casting choice for the character. For Batman, I’m really satisfied with Robert Pattinson portraying the character and I’m looking forward to seeing the future of Battinson and I personally want him to be a part of the new DCU even if it’s in the DC Elseworlds Slate. Plus, I don’t mind another actor playing DCU Batman, but I still prefer Battinson as my Main Modern Movie Batman.
The Gunnverse will flop!
just like the SNYDERVERSE 🤣
Bring on the reboot
Happy to see the end of the snyder stuff
For better or worse, sounds like this is what happens when you get the dude that directed Watchmen to do a Justice league franchise
How is this Zack Snyder's fault exactly? He was hired to do a job, he did it, but Warner Brother's obsession with Marvel led to the catastrophic failure.
@aaroneclipse514 This. They told Zack "Hey make a cinematic universe" just to panic and go "WAIT NO NOT LIKE THAT" after a movie and a half.
@@aaroneclipse514 Didn't say it was his fault. He did it in his style, and Watchmen was a good example of that style. WB seemed like they didn't know what page they were on till way late
@@justinhall754 Ah, well okay that makes sense.
I loved "Watchmen"!
I think what they did to him was abhorrent when instead of stopping to change direction and admit they made a mistake they tried to do an end run around the creative process and made things so much worse. Having said that you will never convince me that Snyder was the right choice for this series. His 'Watchmen' was great but that should have been all the evidence you need that Snyder should never have tried to make a traditional superhero movie. It's not where his interest lies.
The problem with Snyderverse was not the story but the writing.
While I don’t like every idea Snyder had, I do think Zack Snyder’s Justice League trilogy would of been interesting, I think it would of worked better as a “elseworlds” side trilogy instead of like the main, DC universe storyline but still cool to see none the less
I actually liked Snyder’s idea of showing Superman’s progression into the the hero we know him to be cause that’s something never really showed in live action or in animated form like in Superman the movie he is taken on a years long journey with the spirit of his biological father and when he returns to reality he automatically has the suit and his morals for example but if u pay attention to man of steel it’s not designed to be a full cinematic universe starter it actually meant to be a start of a new series of Superman movies and that’s the first problem cause when u make the decision to pivot to a full cinematic universe when your first movie doesn’t set that up that’s where in inconsistencies start to begin
Whatever happens. They should restore and complete the snyderverse first. Before doing anything else with DC cinematic. Ngl 90% of cbm fans are snyderfans but the studio is trying so hard to make it otherwise by manipulating the narrative in the media. It's proven by just looking at how DC cinematic performed with or without Snyder.
BvS didn’t work because of this rush to get all the characters out there. Time should’ve been give to allow characters to develop and interact with each other
Also it didn’t work because it was boring and stupid.
I think the reason dceu was ruin because wb and other company want to copy the mcu
Actually it wasn't rushed the audience were too dumb at the time.
Yet Gunn is literally doing the SAME thing in his first film for the franchise and all the shills are sucking him off for it
THIS!! Exactly this... The snyderverse was flawed from the beggining, we should have had a at least 4 solo movies before BVS, the way it presents all the characters through camera videos was very... anticlimatic. I'm not saying Snyder is bad, however this universe needed more work from the beggining, if things were done right, we would be watching JL2, WW3, BATMAN 2, MAN OF STEEL 3, GREEN LANTERN, THE FLASH 2. however everything went down the drain because of how uncommited they were to the whole universe and the incredible (yet not perfect) Snyder vision.
Zack Snyder's darker, more intricate take on the DC Extended Universe sparked a debate about how much freedom a director should have versus studio needs. His unique style, though it had its fans, clashed with Warner Bros.' desire for a lighter, more commercially appealing direction, reminiscent of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. This tug-of-war between artistic vision and mass appeal suggests that maybe Snyder's DCEU could have thrived as an 'Elseworlds' series, allowing him to explore his ideas freely without the pressure of fitting into a larger universe.
It's important for studios to know when to step in and when to let directors be. Warner Bros. intervening in "Wonder Woman 1984" or changing Snyder's controversial Batman-Lane plotline was probably for the best. But too much interference, as seen in "Justice League" post-Snyder, can strip a film of its creative essence. The DCEU's mixed bag of successes and missteps shows that while studios should aim for hits, they also need to respect a director's creative vision. The sweet spot is in balancing unique directorial voices with the broader cinematic universe's goals, ensuring both artistic depth and audience appeal.
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Man, this would've been so cool. It breaks my heart that WB ruined everything and tanked this franchise. It could've been something really special.
I Always love hearing about this original plan for JL wish we got to see it ,maybe one day 😅 lol who knows hahaha this one YT channel did a mini movie using Ai art to make part 2&3 and they were really good if u search for it you can find it! I highly recommend it! also have you done a video on Chris Farley version on Cable Guy? or that cursed script that Farley was supposed to do but died being the 3rd actor attached that died tragicly? I know John Candy was one and think Bulushi was the other was curious if you done one on any of that 😊 congrats on another awesome video!
I know people hate Snyder but I really wanted to see the snyderverse from beginning to end….cuz all this sounds awesome
And it's fair
It just sounded excellent can't believe they didn't make this the money this vision would have made
WB deserves a lot of flack for the way the DCEU turned out, but this video also confirms to me that Snyder is just a bad fan fiction writer, and I don't particularly mind that we never saw his full vision come to fruition.
Even though I like the Snyder cut, I get why the studio would be like "We need to cut this down so much", but I do not get why Joss Whedon would even accept the job of reshooting like 85% of the film. What would he have gotten out of that?
Whedon talked about how making Age of Ultron wore him down, how did re-filming another director's Justice League film sound any better?
Bc he wanted to make a Batgirl film and JL was a "chance" to get WB approval
This is my favorite video you've done. Great summary and analysis of Snyder's plans -- I had never heard them presented so sequentially and coherently. I would have enjoyed seeing these movies as you described them, especially Superman's arc.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it
@@BulletsandblockbustersI love Snyder visuals but he is not good storyteller. He should've been like an adviser and oversee the consistency like Kevin Feige
man i really hope we sometime get to see either a full on snyderverse, an actual good connected DC universe and a good marvel universe on the big screens
I have such mixed feelings about “what could have been” as far as the Snyderverse goes. I thought Man of Steel was maybe one of the most boring movies I’ve ever watched, I thought BvS was unbelievably stupid (but still oddly entertaining thanks entirely to Affleck) and I thought the theatrical cut of Justice League was perhaps one of the worst things I’d ever watched. Yet, after viewing the Snyder cut, it admittedly left me wanting more because it was actually so much better than I could have ever expected. That’s not even the “low expectations” talking! It was genuinely a well crafted experience that left me engaged for the entirety of its massive runtime. It’s hard to say “the studio should have just trusted Snyder’s judgment” without knowing how much they influenced production of MoS and BvS (since those movies were not good) but I think the whole situation is an epic disappointment for all involved parties.
You need to watch the Snyder cut\version of all three movies aa one big long 10 hour movie. Possibly in black & white as well, haha!
This is hands down one of the best channels on RUclips for my money. Love your work and hope to see the videos continue coming for a long time.
Thank you!!!!
Man of Steel is in the top five CBM's of all time easily.
WB biggest problem is themselves. They wanted the instant gratification and success of The MCU without putting in any of the work. They had 3 much more bankable characters than Iron Man, Captain America and Thor when starting the DCEU. Those Marvel characters were C to B tier characters but marvel still had faith and gave each one a solo film to build up to an Avengers movie while introducing side characters like BW & Hawkeye.
A solo Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman film followed by Batman Vs. Superman then a Justice League movie was the bare minimum in terms of buildup. But too much meddling and instant gratification wanted by WB destroyed what could’ve been.
Now they’re starting from scratch once again with less goodwill than they had 10 years ago.
Overall the execution from WB and Snyder was the problem.....Snyder puts more emphasis on the visuals of the movie than telling a good story...WB needed a Kevin Feige type producer with a better vision.....Hopefully James Gunn's vision can make for some great DC movies.
Great video man
Its a shame WB killed the snyderverse, ive would liked to see the other two JL movies and at least the Batman solo movie but thanks to your content now i know what could have been 😉
If the Snyder cut came out first and the wheadon cut never happened, then I believe the fans would be just as hyped for darkseid as they were for thanos
I doubt it. The reaction to Batman V Superman was Luke warm at best. And the Snyder cut is just a longer, slightly better version of a bad movie. But it was still a bad movie.
A few things we lost out on when the original DCEU plan changed:
*Rick Famuyiwa was one of several directors who was hired/eventually left The Flash due to creative differences with WB. Famuyiwa's Flash film was described as a mature, yet upbeat story featuring Captain Cold as one of the main villains. Snyder and Famuyiwa developed the idea of Reverse-Flash being the overarching villain of the DCEU.
*Cyborg and Green Lantern Corps never made it far into development before Snyder left.
**GLC constantly changed and went in and out of development as leadership at DC Films changed until it eventually entered development as the streaming series Lanterns after James Gunn was hired to co-head the DCU.
**Ray Fisher expressed a desire for Famuyiwa to direct Cyborg and for the film to feature the Phantom Limbs as the main villains.
*Man of Steel 2 went in and out of development before being canned in favor of James Gunn's "Superman: Legacy". Several ideas for MoS2 included Brainiac being the main villain, Superman struggling with his guilt over killing Zoe, and Zod's army escaping the Phantom Zone and Superman teaming up with them to stop Brainiac.
*Ben Affleck's The Batman would've been the Arkham games mixed with David Fincher's The Game, featuring Deathstroke as the main villain along with the Riddler and possibly the Joker. Alfred Pennyworth would've been killed off, which would've tied in with the plans for JL2&3. Batgirl would've been a major supporting character.
I've watched videos on Snyder's plan many times, it didn't take that many to see that
When you really get into the nuances of this batshit story you see just how detailed & thematically rich Snyder's vision was. And y'all can say whatever "I can do this all day 🛡️" lol His bold yet (Yes)accurate but bold interpretation of these characters was always incredible.
The theme of ZSJL trilogy about how: Our Heroes will go through hell while literal demons to save one persons life.
(Dr. Flashpoints fan made trailer helped me realize that).
The Snyderverse had so much potential to bad it ended how it did.
You should do a video about the development hell with Freddy Vs Jason and the sequel they wanted to make
Freddy Vs Jason was a joke and sucked big time Freddy is no match for Jason and that movie should never have seen the light of day....Freddy is plays mindgames and not the physical type....Jason on the other hand is BRUTE FORCE....& brute force SHOULD(in my eyes & in my opinion) be fought with brute force & there is only one other that is a match for Jason Voorhees...& that is Michael Myers...if people want to see or need a story in a movie....go watch 50 shades or whatever....BUT if u wanna see titans in the ULTIMATE slugfest then it wil be those two LEGENDARY movie maniacs tearing into each other & beating the "$H!T" out of each other...to put it clearly....but New Line Cinema & Dimension both companies DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE FANS they just care about money so that ICONIC HORROR MOVIE MANIACS will probably never share the BIG SCREEN together because of greedy corporate DiICKHEADS....So i guess it wil be "THE MOVIE WE WILL NEVER GET TO SEE.....A REAL REAL DAMN SHAME....
This is incorrect information. This was the initial plans BEFORE Chris Terrio came onboard and the group decided to change direction. The reason Batman v Superman was moved from 2015 to 2016 was because they decided to map out the whole arc differently. This is why Metallo was removed from the original script and why Doomsday was brought in as the physical antagonist.
Justice League was changed as a result and Steppenwolf was introduced as the villain which wasn’t the initial idea that would have led to these two other justice league films.
Justice League Part II would have had the justice league meet with the Green Lantern Corps and New Genesis to attack Darkseid in Apocalypse. The attack would have failed and Part III would have had a final stand on earth.
Batman being the father wasn’t inspired by war films but because of the legends of King Arthur.
Snyder was heavily inspired by the story and the film Excalibur, and influences of it can be seen in BvS. The poster of the film can be seen in the beginning and Superman’s death mirrors King Arthur. Batman being the father was inspired by the relationship of Sir Lancelot and Guinevere.
Flashpoint was meant to happen and was going to show the original timeline as well. That was the first film but the second flash film would have involved the Legion of Doom.
Oh and JL part one was supposed to originally have a fight of Steppenwolf and the original Doomsday.
The reason why the original plans were revealed and not the intended ones is because Zack Snyder hopes to one day direct his vision and wanted to keep the movement alive. This is similar to how he designed the Superman suit in JL to be capable of being digitally altered to Black if he would eventually have the chance.
Also, it’s pretty obvious Warner Bros. execs were bought out by Disney. Infinity War and Endgame have way too many similarities to what Snyder was planning and they greatly differ from Infinity Gauntlet storyline. There’s also a couple of inconsistencies with what ended up being Infinity War and Endgame as a result. Geoff Johns is close to Kevin Feige as well. There’s a reason why Warner Bros made a bunch of bad decisions to become bankrupt and tarnish the DC brand.
Honestly I don't see how WarnerBrothers mistreated snyder. In any job place when you get the job you have to do the job right but once you decided on doing your own things like example how snyder said in a interview "in his movie batman can get raped in prison" you as a studio executive would immediately be like hold up bro treat the characters with respect. So it's understandable why WarnerBrothers immediately went to panic mode.
Snyder's vision was ambitious and truly something of his vision. I think the reasons his work never got to be fulling realized was for two reasons: Snyder's work is often not the mainstream appealing work to fulfil the kind of success that lead to the MCU's domination and Warner Brothers' flippant attitude in giving Snyder full control and then immediately yanking on it is a reflection of bad studio management. I can't say that Snyder's complete vision would've been a crowd pleaser or acclaimed, but it would've been HIS vision.
Hopefully DC and wb will at least make this story and animated movie or something. This would of been so good. I wanted to see this SOO BAD Snyder was just ahead of his time. People in the future will all wish what if and probably use so to finish the story. That's a good idea. I hope they do that!
I know Snyder is not Nolan. But I wonder if they ever asked Nolan "Where's the joke's" probably because they realize DC characters like Batman aren't inherently funny like Iron Man. The reason I truly hate Josstice League is when Batman says "Something is definitely bruised/ bleeding"! That is not Batman or Bruce Wayne!
Thanks for the amazing video ❤
Imagine thinking "Oh! Well make Ben do Pearl Harbor again!" was actually a good idea.
I think BvS had a fantastic setup. Putting Bruce in Metropolis as Superman destroys the city fighting Zod was a great way to show the audience the fear Bruce felt.
It’s too bad the script wasn’t stronger after the beginning. Had BvS been good, we likely could have seen much more of Snyder’s vision.
100% agree.
So many missed opportunities. I've been that rare DC lifelong fan and while I liked some Snyder's work. I feel BVS wouldn't had been so poorly received had a different person been cast as Lex. It's such a shame WB rushed everything after years of hardly advertising the characters while Marvel put there characters on everything from 1999- present day. I don't see James Gunn pulling it off. But I'm willing to give him a chance.
While i never loved Snyder's vision, at least it was cohesive and thought out. All the pieces were put in place, and if executed, would have been a good ride. WB meddling and not trusting the guy they picked is what derailed everything.
Yeah can’t say we missed much
Why Zack decided to overcomplicated things instead of keeping it simple I have no idea
The biggest shame of this entire thing is that if Zack had been able to just go ahead as planned and complete the story, the universe would have been rebooted anyway. Anyone who didn’t like his vision would get what they wanted once everything was done, but instead we spend every year since 2017 wheel spinning on films that no one cared about. The Snyderverse would have most likely finished around this year if things were left to finish. Ironic considering that Superman Legacy will release around the same time the idea of a reboot would have happened under Snyder.
A great point well made.
Something to take into account here:
The storyboards were scrapped. A first draft not indicative of the final product.
By the time they actually filmed Justice League, the sequels were already going to be rather different.
1: No Bruce/Lois romance.
2: Less time devoted to the Knightmare.
3: Justice League 3 as a Superman-centric film set mostly (if not entirely, depending on whether Batman's sacrifice took place in JL2) in the "golden timeline".
As somebody who loved the Snyder Cut, I'll always mourn not getting *those* sequels.
Missed opportunity is an understatement, could have been something brilliant, absolute shame, all we can do now is pray that Gunn does this new DCU Justice and makes it special.
As always man a great video
U know whats more fck up? If they just had followed the original plan, the Snyder verse would have already ended and just at the same time to get the reboot. I know there’s flaws with that universe, hell I don’t even fully buy that Superman, but it was interesting and so different compared to marvel, what a shame.
Sounds like a great story. I wish it had gone through.
With as much vitriol and anger amongst comic fans as there already was for Snyder's choices to alter DC Canon, if it turned out that Bruce was the father of Lois' son and she had lied to Clark making him think he was the father that would have turned Snyderverse DC into tacky soap opera.
Personally, I enjoyed Snyder's vision through his cut of Justice League but a soap opera twist like this would have ruined it for me; it would be like if they did a twist in Endgame where Peggy dumped Steve Rodgers for Howard Stark.
Damn the medling studio to hell. Snyder had it right. Remember when comic book stories was considered to be kiddie fare? It wasn't that long ago. We finally moved away from campy 60's Adam West batman to adult Michael Keaton era, and it sounds like studios still want to see it as kid stuff.😮
Man this universe of DC by Snyder is way cooler than the lame version we got
I can’t get down with Lois Lane banging Batman and and Zeus being some type of kryptonian
The potential was so much we could’ve had an amazing dceu #Restorethesnyderverse
The Snyderverse is totally dead
As much as I appreciate Snyder's proposed sequels, they are riddled with inaccuracies like Darkseid being killed by a nuke?....DARKSEID....A superman level threat....being killed by a man-made nuke? WTF