Meant to have it out earlier, but I had to re-render unfortunately. I really hope that you guys enjoy! I'm closing in on 100,000 subscribers and I cannot thank you guys enough for the massive opportunity. I will have more stuff out this month. All of the evidence will be in the description below! To debunk some idiotic "counterarguments", I'll lay them out here. 1. "genki does not work the same as ki/genki is not the same as ki" Okay? We never once stated or implied that they are the same thing. The spirit bomb is derived from life energy which has proven to be exponentially powerful and regardless of the source, it's still an energy-based attack that has destructive power. It's stated by King Kai that if it's misused, the spirit bomb can destroy a planet, and we know that it has the capability to kill even those who are pure of heart. Gohan & the other Z-fighters giving their genki would provide higher results than a standalone energy attack. Even after giving their genki, Goku stated that it wouldn't be enough to kill Buu. Energy from Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and trillions+ humanoids across the Afterlife, Namek, & Earth would in fact yield higher levels of power than even Gohan's standard ki alone, and nothing contradicts that. The Daizenshuu LITERALLY says that it has immeasurable power, proving it's superior to Super Buu & Gohan, and it can even be argued that it means it'd be above Vegito & Buuhan as well. If genki wasn't exponential or more effective than "normal" ki in some situations, then why was Zamasu cut by a genki-based sword despite receiving energy from characters who are far weaker than SSJB Goku? Why was Goku's Universe 7 spirit bomb far superior in RAW POWER to his own SSJB Kaioken x20 Kamehameha? Exactly. 2. "but Goku or Ultimate Gohan could have killed Kid Buu." pm1.narvii.com/6582/8dc87b9a8e09a29b6758a2e0916a873449e79233_hq.jpg vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f6/Ebe0c681127bb62-a-nw-p.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/400?cb=20181231082722 vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/c/c7/3902aab5fa313b6-a-nw-p.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/400?cb=20181231082822 Uhh, no. Goku & Vegeta DID theorize that a full-power Kamehameha could have vaporized Buu, but as the fight is dragging on, Goku says that Kid Buu is toying with him and even says that they should have fused. The guides do say that Goku & Kid Buu were fighting blow for blow and were on equal footing initially, keyword, initially, because Buu was holding back during that fight. The Daizenshuu says that even a full-power SSJ3 Goku could not beat him. Additionally, it's confirmed in a V-Jump guide that SSJ3 Goku is least equal to Ultimate Gohan, meaning that Gohan would also not be able to defeat him. Which, given the plausible zenkais Goku got in the manga, it makes sense. 3. "Gohan was stated to be the strongest non-fused fighter." When? I dug through several interviews and guides and that has never, EVER, been stated. It's just a fan rumor, which although does have credibility within the context of the series, Goku has several sources & statements to imply that he is at least relative, if not stronger than Gohan, even within the manga. It doesn't really matter for ranking Buu anyways. 4. "Spirit Bomb is inconsistent and that was just for plot" Okay? It's not my job to excuse why something works or doesn't work within the series, I'm not the writer. I'm merely trying to make sense of the plot and try to explain things that I can infer from what's stated in the series. Whether it's plot or not, what happened, happened, and there's no changing that. 5. "Kid Buu was simply more dangerous, not stronger" Although this is the case within the manga, the anime literally states over 5 times that he is the most powerful and strongest Buu, which is confirmed by a guide too. Despite the contradictions, that's what was stated. There's no contesting it.
Also you can’t play around with kid buu and he will destroy anything in seconds unlike the other Buu’s who decided to take their time before destroying the Earth
Exactly, that's what i've always said. Buuhan is definitively the strongest form of Buu and Kid Buu is the most dangerous like you said. Buuhan is intelligent and can at least be reasoned with, you can't reason with Kid Buu whatsoever, that dude is pure insane with no rationality.
It was obvious that buuhan was the strongest form in terms of absolute power. Kid Buu is simply the most sadistic and dangerous, that's why the supreme kai had an unbridled fear of kid buu. He was pure concentrated destruction
Yaseen H Than why vegeta said why is he increasing instead on decreasing from super buu. Once kid buu showed up the supreme kai believed they had no chance.
@@jordanmince7613when the creator said Buhan was stronger yall buhan fans ran with it but when he corrected himself and said Kid Buu was stronger now he is inconsistent and doesn’t marker
Yeah in 3 chapters Goku goes from we stand no chance against base form Super Base without fusing to being confident he can take Kid Buu without fusing in the Manga at least there is no question that Super Buu was stronger
Come on ppl in that same anime Goku was scared to fight super buu he nearly try to avoid it and try to get gohn fight him when he felt confident against kid buu like come on
Ace Prime, it was stated in the anime by goku, old kai, and kabito kai that kid buu was twice as strong as super buu. Kid buu is probably the 3rd strongest buu then buutenks is in 2nd then buuhan is in the lead.
@@DR3S1NGH When they say he's the purest they mean down to his core, he is pure evil. You could say he's the most dangerous Buu because he destroys stuff on a whim without a second thought but there is no way in hell Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu with Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo and Gotenks absorbed.
When it comes to super buu vs kid buu, I compare how well ssj3 Goku does against them. On one hand, against super buu Goku thinks he (even with vegeta) has no chance. Whereas against kid buu, he was at least somewhat confident to beat him.
Im seriously baffled why there is even a debate about this. Its just common sense lmao. Ssj3 goku was on par with kid buu, while goku just kept running away from super buu
Gokul was weakened when pushing the spirit bomb, this is emphasized when goku gets his power restored then SUDDENLY he shoves the bomb because the gen kai needed force behind it which goku lacked till his power restoration. Using the spirit bomb to infer kid buu is more powerful is literal subhuman reasoning and then using super which has ROSHI shoving base majin buu people around is ridiculous
Goku has never thrown a spirit bomb while not being weakened incredibly. Its his last resort type of attack. When he fights vegeta he's on his last leg, when he uses it against frieza its the same thing, same when he uses it against buu and more recently he was very weakened when he used it against jiren as well. Don't think he's very used a spirit bomb at full strength or stamina.
@@deadline6149he was not in better shape bro used kioken x20 and got a worser ass beaten by frieza then by kid buu and with kid buu he wasnt fighting the entire time
When Old Kai gave his life to Goku to bring him back from the dead, did that give him a Zenkai? I mean in the ANIME, Vegeta said after he was revived on Namek; “Since I’ve been brought back from death, my power has been increased dramatically!” Would a godly being giving his life to Goku give him sort of insane boost???
I'll debunk this myself. Vegeta's near death experience before his death on namek was after getting pummeled by frieza and shot in the chest and still surviving. Gokus death was instantaneous due to exploding, so no boost wold have been acquired there.
@7:36 *TO BE FAIR:* Kid Buu wasn't resisting the Spirit Bomb itself, he was resisting Goku's Ki PUSHING the Spirit Bomb - since he was exhausted. After the wish was made, and Goku got his Ki back, the amount of Genki in the Spirit Bomb was still the same. And it pulverized Kid Buu. In the end it wasn't the Genkidama's energy that changed, it was Goku's.
PlayStation gamer broly is damn near the same way and he’s still the strongest infused saiyan. Only reason why goku isn’t is because he can’t always use ultra instinct
Super really fucked z up. In super fat buu all of sudden has always had the kis ki in him since separation. Which should make him the strongest buu when he was whole. Arguable buuhan or buutanks could be stronger but they havw hyped up south ki so hard its hard to think that they were stronger.
7:53 Gohan, yes is clearly stronger than kid buu and super buu so his energy alone may have been enough, BUT Goku also didnt have the power to “unleash” the spirit bomb, which is why he was gettin pushed back and dende had to wish for gokus power to be restored
9:50 The Manga clearly said the ONLY reason Kid Boo paused the spirit Bomb was because goku didn’t have enough power left to unleash the attack properly. The bomb power itself was not the factor, it was the force goku put behind the throw of the attack. And once goku was able to put enough pushing force behind it, the attack succeeded
Really doesn't matter. Considering it's by far the most powerful sprit bomb created up until that point and that alone speaks volumes about kid buus power. Not to mention Goku was in extremely drained states the times he used it against freiza and Vegeta as well. So Goku actually used a 50x his base power behind the most powerful spirit bomb.
@@4getmenot182 yes, it does matter. As I said in the original comment, that’s literally what the manga said. The power of the bomb was not a factor as to why boo was able to staff it. It was strictly gokus drained power state.
@@4getmenot182 yea. It was, read it again. They never added more power to the bomb in the manga. It was gokus strength that was replenished to push the push again with more force.
I'm fine with a kid buu vs super buu debate, as long as we know buuhan and buutenks are stronger however one can say kid buu was able to push back the spirit bomb because goku was fatigued notice how once he got his energy back he easily won
thats literly the whole point he literly said once goku went super saiyan he creamed it but still vegeta was stronger than krillin and gohan and couldent push it away goku would of done it but he couldent even stand and he took the energy head on for a while before he died from it too
Okay but one question though SSJ Gotenks was supposed to be around SSJ3 Goku’s level. Then Gotenks went Super Saiyan 3 and still had a tough time against Super Buu. If Goku SSJ3 < Gotenks SSJ3 Gotenks SSJ3 ~ Super Buu Kid Buu ~ SSJ3 Goku Then shouldn’t Super Buu > Kid Buu?
No one got any Zenkais in this saga or in the cell saga, that's all bullshit. Goku wasn't even near death one time in this saga for it to be possible. If they happened to exist in this saga, the only people who would have them are Gohan and Vegeta, they're the only ones who were beat to near-death, twice.
I don't really remember them saying or implying goku received zenkais that made him stronger when he fought kid buu. That seems like a big assumption and head canon. But I personally always thought base super buu and kid buu were around equal in power, but kid buu is more savage and ruthless and also has better regeneration abilities and can dip into it's well of power better.. I don't really think the spirit bomb is a good thing to base stuff off of though it's pretty unreliable when it comes to scaling. In the tournament of power it prob shouldn't have been as strong as it was from universe 7's fighters excluding vegeta.
James McElroy Yeah same here. Zenkais are plot devices that they brought in "when they needed it". So therefore it was always mentioned at crucial times as to when they happened. If a Saiyan gets their asses kicked and nothing is mentioned then you can safely assume that the bad writing is canon and for that instance, the Saiyan didn't get a zenkai boost.
@@Trollamollex it's not bad writing it's the zenkai boosts not being enough to beat the enemy.vegeta and goku had alot of zenkai boosts but didn't even match up to frezia so what makes you think it's gonna work against foes way stronger than frezia
This shouldn't even be a debate. Its is made very clear. Gohan buu, gotenks buu, super buu/kid buu, evil buu, majin buu(fat) . Strongest to weakest. Shouldn't be any debate. Very clear.
I would put kid buu above super buu rather than equal to him, but otherwise I agree. Also I’d probably put piccolo buu above super buu but below kid buu
@@danielbp2604 I think I made a mistake. Just from goku's quotes I put super buu over kid buu. Goku claimed to be able to kill kid buu alone had he took the fight seriously and also claimed that super buu would kill him and vegeta if they fought him without fusion. Regardless those two forms are the only forms debatable.
@@1994Trill I agree that's the only debatable thing, but I disagree because goku said super buu's ki was rising when he became buff and then didn't mention anything about his ki once he became kid buu. I think goku underestimating kid buu due to his size (goku and vegeta joke about his size and look relieved once buu goes from buff to kid) and the zenkai boosts goku got throughout the arc are good explanations for why he thought he could beat kid buu (which he ended up not being able to do anyways).
@@danielbp2604 When buu reverted into being buff, that was the version of him that was made after he absorbed the strongest kai. Out of all the kais, only one was able to give kid buu problems. After buu absorbed him, he became the buff buu that we saw. So kid buu plus that strong kai makes sense to have been stronger than super buu. But after he got back small I figured he lost that kai's power for whatever reason because kid buu was his original form
I would put buff buu above super buu because i think kid buu with supreme kai absorbed would give more power than grey buu with mr buu absorbed. Idk but two full power characters kid buu+kai would be stronger than 2 halves grey buu+mr buu
Seven V It’s not by any means a masterpiece, but the Saiyan and most of the Freiza saga were somewhat well told. The latter half of Frieza and especially Cell was where things went downhill imo.
@@ningenslayer6306 it is though. Stuff like Vegeta's arc and fight with goku, mr satan and mr buu's friendship, super buu's character and fight with gotenks, goku and vegeta fighting kid buu and showing off their new dynamic as friends and even mr satan helping at the end is all good stuff
alfa01spotivo The issue with the Buu Saga is that these are all individual moments. They might be good, but the overall story is filled with mistakes. I can at least agree these moments make it enjoyable, but I can’t call the whole thing well written.
Buuhan: Goku and Vegeta needed to fuse into Vegito to stand a chance. Kid Buu: Goku with SSJ3 was going one on one and dealing damage. I mean...do you need more proof than that?
Goku got a Zenkai from being revived. This is confirmed by Vegeta being revived on Namek, he talks about being stronger and having got a Zenkai. This is most likely the cause and reasoning behind this
@@Who_Is_Cloud after the namek saga the characters do not have zenkais and goku did not receive any increase in power and was literally afraid to face a super buu base and proposed to vegeta to fusion
@@aizensosuke4518 I dunno what you watched but wasn't anybody scared of base Super Buu. SSJ3 Gotenks was stronger than Buu until Buu absorbed Piccolo. Then Buu absorbed Gotenks. Even then, Gohan was on par with Buutenks. The only reason he could even absorb Gohan was because he let his Guard down. So if y'all think Buuhan is strong than Kid Buu, you might as well say Buutenks is stronger than Buuhan. Vegeta also says he can take on Frieza from the time he dies to the time he gets wished back. No way Vegeta trained in anyway to get a power boost that fast. He was probably still in line to meet Yemma. So your telling me Vegeta dies, gets reborn and forgets how to read power levels? Use logic. I know y'all like to ride Gohan's tip but damn.
@@Who_Is_Cloud no that’s not what happened when Buu absorbs Gotenks and Piccolo he is kicking Gohan’s ass which is why Goku even goes back there to fuse. Then when the fusion runs out in Buu he reverts to a form of Piccolo and Goku is confident he and Gohan can beat Buu now but Buu absorbs Gohan by catching him off guard, then Goku’s like oh shit and goes to try and convince Vegeta. He literally says they have no chance of winning unless they fuse. But then against Kid Buu Goku is confident enough to fight Buu one-one and believes he can beat him. That would imply that Kid Buu and Super Saiyan 3 Goku are at least comparable in power for Goku to think that, but with Buuhan he knows he has no chance and begs Vegeta to fuse with him
But wasn't it implied that Base Goku was 100x stronger than Mystic Gohan? In the official Guide book, it says that Goku and Vegeta fought the Z Fighter clones were the exact same strength as the real thing. It's also states Goku and Vegeta were recovering from using fusion and was only a 1/100 time their strength. If I remember correctly wasn't..... wasn't Goku using SSJ3 against Kid Buu? Oh shit, I think he was.
Thankyouuu my god i've been waiting so long for a big youtuber to come to this conclusion too. This actually made my day haha. I totally agree with the ranking at the end. It's annoying how 95% of the fanbase call kid buu one of the weakest buu's and say that base super buu is stronger when he's not nor did the narrative imply he is :/
I get what your saying but one can make the argument that them saying he is the most dangerous is just plain and simple that he is more dangerous and not the strongest look in the case of android 19 and doctor gero they were very dangerous but not necessarily stronger than vegeta or Goku or piccolo
@@causegamez Yeah and I get what you're saying too. But as I said before, for them to say dangerous it depends on how it's used; moreover, in this case it's talking about strength not just violence or destruction because if that's the case Buuhan would be the most dangerous due to his destruction to the reality and universe he gave when yelling. You can't define dangerous as it's own meaning especially in this case. Mangawise, I'd say Buuhan is the strongest either way due to fears in which kid buu was stated to be the most dangerous non Fused Buu whereas anime Kid/Pure Buu is the strongest period due to writer affiliation and feats.
Simple: Goku > Fat Buu Super Buu > Fat Buu Gohan > Super Buu Gohan > Super Buu + Piccolo + Goten + Trunks (not fused) Buuhan > Goku + Vegeta (not fused) Kid Buu = Goku Now way Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan. And it doesn't matter what anime states: events are much more important than statements.
@@umtrain1730 its everywhere tho that buuhan is stronger. Goku said ssj 3 gotanks was stronger than him and ultimate gohan was stronger than him so I thought buuhan was stronger but I guess I was wrong :(
@@XxFr4gXxK1ng i ve heard once a very unusual claim Buuhan > Kid Boo > Super Buu The argument was basically that Super Boo is still a *nerfed* boo *due to Fat Buu's kindness*
1:59 And I already disagree he isn't the weakest he just played with everyone and was only compared as weaker to Super Buu he is stronger than Evil and Good Buu You also forgot to include Fit Buu , Grand Kai Buu , Buff Buu and Majubb
I always look at this conversation in terms of the definition of power. You can say that Buuhan is stronger, which is what I believe. But, Kid Buu doesn’t restrain himself. So, in combat one can assume Buuhan until he fought and nearly died to Vegito held back his ki. However, Kid Buu was always at full throttle. Like an animal compared to a fighter. Buuhan limited himself to an extent, as it’s shown the personality affects Buu. Kid Buu however just wants to play Murder time.
Anyone else miss the days of Chuck and Seth collabing on every one of each other's vids? They were always great! It's sad they don't seem to talk anymore.
theres no way on King Kai's planet that Kid Buu is the strongest... i mean, Buuhan would have MURDERED Goku or Vegeta... yet they can stand up to Kid Buu and not get totally killed? i will say that Kid Buu, is more DANGEROUS, he dont care about fighting, if he gets bored, fuck it, he'll just go BOOM BOOM.
Stickman Gaming zenkai boost my guy, also you still need power and speed to actually be effective if you’re dangerous. Otherwise goku would’ve did what he did to Frieda to stop him from destroying earth in super
@@rdpreposterous1826 No one said you wouldn't need power and speed to be dangerous, however despite all the power and speed Kid Buu had he still didn't have as much as Buuhan. Also Goku couldn't have done that because Whis wasn't there to give him a heads-up, did you forget Freeza did destroy the planet until their local Deus Ex rewound time for them.
MV17 definitely didn’t forget that, but goku doesn’t always need someone to reverse time to stop someone from destroying a planet or worse. Buuhans vice shout was stopped before it got out of hand. Didn’t even need his insta transmission to do it btw
MV17 Goku’s exact words as he watched kid buu charge up a ball of energy was “Vegeta, we can’t stop that” it was too much for them to handle. They literally had to runaway. Edit: in fact it was worse. Kid Buu’s power was so great goku had to be saved because the energy overwhelmed his ability to concentrate on others energy.
Now this is a video i like. This felt like the complete package. Various sources, going beyond just statements and looking at feats. Comparing manga and anime correctly. This is the best video to cover which buu is the strongest. I 100% agree buuhan is the strongest. Also in the anime, where i think the statements moreso reference the base buu's rather than fused. And it also covers why kid buu is the strongest and most dangerous base from. Great job guys.
@@nyesdaddyharder9410 you right it's not a argument cuz it's a fact and I didn't say I was gonna debunk anyting lol I just saying that's superrrrrr hard to believe
Arguably you can say Kid Buu can fight decently against him. Especially since the goku he fought was stronger than the goku in the fusion. Let’s not forget goku was stronger than vegeta so he made up most of the power for the fusion
@@invictus6176 I saw a few of seth and chuck videos talking about how big universe 7 is, I guess it's a lot bigger than I thought if the solar systems are even bigger.
The only way for Kid Buu to be stronger would be for Goku to somehow get exponentially more powerful in a few minutes. Did he get another insane zenkai for some unknown reason like in the Namek Saga? You only get zenkais from coming back from near death, not actually coming back from the dead or mid fight. Goku is never put to near death at all.
I’m not sure about the Spirit Bomb debate because yes it was impressive Kid Buu pushed it back, but Gohan wasn’t putting a ton of his power towards the bomb so it’s Buu holding back a move of partial genki from those who contribute not their FULL power
Interesting because there is no guide anywhere or anything on how powerful energy transfers are. It would be interesting to see how powerful all spirit bombs were (ballpark) and compare them. Not just spirit bombs though, pretty much all energy gifting examples in DB
@@Dr.Zoidberg_2914 yes but with all that energy combined the sheer energy alone would've instantly killed kid buu if he was indeed weaker than regular super buu, even with Goku being exhausted, and I mean regular as in without Gotenks or Gohan absorbed. So the feat still undoubtedly confirms kid buu is stronger than super buu. Buuhan and buutenks are still one and two though
@@kenshin6804 That's very head canon. There is 0 evidence kid buu is stronger than super buu. There is way more for the argument super buu is stronger. Honestly with that spirit bomb argument I'll just make this silly argument Hercule took a punch from kid buu 🤷♂️ super buu > kid buu
@@Dr.Zoidberg_2914 that's not head canon at all, first off, it's been shown EVERY time the spirit bomb is used, that genki is a lot more powerful than the initial ki source, and even if we absolutely ignore this and lowball it into oblivion, this thing still has the energy of Goku and Vegeta, Gohan who was absolutely fucking SHITTING on super buu their entire fight with no effort whatsoever, piccolo, goten and trunks, all of the other Z fighters, the kai's, and billions of life forms across the galaxy. Even if it's just the pure energy, not accounting for the fact that genki is a hell of a lot fucking stronger than the source, that would still make the spirit bomb laughably stronger than super buu. Gohan's ki alone would make it stronger than super buu. Then there's literally everyone else's ki added to the mix. So even if we fucking lowball it into oblivion, it's still easily more powerful than super buu. No contest. So in conclusion, buuhan is the strongest majin, buutenks is the second, kid buu is the third, followed by super buu, then skinny/evil buu, then fat buu. Go cry about it lol
Was lowkey hoping for some coverage on the video game forms that were introduced, even just as a little aside. That's Buu with Babidi absorbed, Buu with Dabura absorbed, Janembu, etc.
Goku told Vegeta that they can not beat Buuhan alone. That’s why Goku insisted on fusing with Vegeta. When the Supreme Kai asked Goku to fuse to fight Kid Buu he just broke the Potara earings because he believed Super Saiyan 3 was enough to beat Kid Buu. Buuhan is stronger
People who think Kid Buu is the strongest must've forget that Goku was willing to fuse with Mr Satan forever just to gain even the smallest bit of power against Buuhan.
Yeah Super buu is definitely stronger then Kid buu. Also makes no sense to say Goku got some Zenkai boosts when nothing was shown of that and it is iffy at best and your using head canon for a very inconsistent spirit bomb attack that selectively effect the enemies it goes after. Gohan at the end of the buu saga was the strongest unfused character.
D'Iamante Robinson Gotenks is still stronger than Goku but SS3 Goku could’ve beat kid buu if he didn’t hold back to give Vegeta a chance. Goku also clearly stated that he and Vegeta were no match for Super Buu but neither were worried about fighting Kid Buu.
I always thought of it as kid Buu not exactly being the strongest, but the most dangerous due to having no restraints, buuhan and buutenks being stronger but not as dangerous due to being able to contemplate actions and think.
Ever remember in a Interview that Ultimate Gohan is the strongest non fused fighter and on another interview that those two ( Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks) are more powerful than SSJ3 Goku
I literally don't understand how for everyone else fusion increases one's abilities but the anime asserts that buu absorbing people makes him weaker. why would he do it then? kid buu being the strongest makes no sense at all. Love the video , Chuck.
The spirit bomb doesn't work that way. It doesn't take your strength per se, rather your life energy. Geekdom made a video about so super buu has to be stronger than kid buu.
The fact that people need to know is that when goku threw the spirit bomb at kid buu Goku was heavily fatigued.Thats the only reason why kid buu was able to push back the spirit bomb.When goku got his energy back he easily destroyed kid buu
I feel that when they are calling Kid Buu the "strongest," it should've been written as the "most dangerous." That one change would've killed the contradiction, as Buuhan is the strongest, but he is still in control of his faculties, while in that form. Meanwhile, Kid Buu, despite being weaker than Buuhan, is more chaotic and dangerous. Kid Buu, unlike the other versions, immediately and outright decides to waste Earth, just 'cause. Honestly, I wouldn't be 100% opposed to arguing that Super Buu is stronger--even just a little--than Kid Buu; however--once again--his chaotic evil behavior makes him the most dangerous. That would also explain why Goku and Vegeta would comment about him like he's nothing, saying that they can take him, only for Kid Buu to suddenly say "know what? Fuck this." And blow up the planet, outright--no warning. Or even having the two be equal in capabilities... Again, their use of Kid Buu being "the strongest" contradicts the HELL out of the scale, but if they would've called him the most dangerous, that would've aligned perfectly. Despite Buuhan's power, he holds back until he becomes grossly enraged by Super Vegito. Kid Buu just doesn't give a shit. Unfortunately, they did refer to Kid Buu as the "strongest," and now there's unfortunately no going back, as far as the anime is concerned... 😑
In the original japanese and english manga, Buuhan is heavily implied to be the strongest Buu whilst Kid Buu is called the most dangerous and reckless. There are multiple occasions where the Anime is inconsistent with and sometimes completely deviates from the original source material
itn's not only that statement that said kid buu is the strongest. They clearly said there were other statements as well. And imo, super buu is equal to fat buu. They're the same being. The only difference is that with super buu the evil side is in charge now. You can't magically get stronger by defusing and fusing again. You're still the same... lol.
Goku being able to use the spirit bomb against kid buu wasn’t really contradicting, he just needed his energy back for him to destroy kid buu, plus saiyans are given a power boost after a big ass fight so🤷🏿♂️
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That is the dumbest thing to conclude. What is the point of having a fusion using Potara earrings that makes the two Saiyans the most powerful being ever known at that time? And we are talking about a Buu who has a Fat Buu, two kid Saiyans, an adult Saiyan more powerful than his father or equal to him and a powerful Super Namekian. And that is far weaker than Kid Buu? I don't care how much talk you say. Goku could do nothing with Gotenks Buu or Mystic Buu at all. Never of them could. And now Im supposed to believe that this runt can destroy Gotenks Buu or Mystic Buu? GOoH man!
In my opinion it goes Buuhan Buu(gotenks absorbed) Kid buu Super buu Evil buu Majin buu (fat buu) But for some of u who might not realize it kid buu can also absorb people just like super buu how u think he became super buu he absorbed one of the supreme kais
The issue with the super buu and kid buu strength comparison is the extreme fighting knowledge super buu had from absorbing piccolo, gohan and gotenks. Piccolo especially being he was one with kami here
Yall gotta remember goku was extremely fatigued by the time he gathered and threw the spirit bomb which played a very big part in kid buu stopping the spirit bomb before they wished goku back to full energy. You can argue that goku's zenkai after being wished to full energy helped but keep in mind goku was on par with kid buu the whole fight and if memory serves me right he stated he could've beaten kid buu but he wanted to give vegeta a shot (smh). I could be wrong considering it's been a while but I am quite sure if goku used a spirit bomb as early as possible during the kid buu fight that kid buu wouldn't have been able to stop it
Ok but wasnt he fatiqued anytime he used the spirit bomb? Why we just ignoring this feat when goku has never used this power when he wasnt tired. Also u realize how powerful that spirit bomb was? And goku had to turn super saiyan just to push it to kid buu so that means the power of the spirit bomb + super saiyan a 50x multiplier
The thing about Fat Buu is that he has two forms: Evil Fat Buu and Good Fat Buu, the latter which is the weakest. Fat Buu got weaker when he turned good, which was shown and stated. Evil Fat Buu >= SSJ3 Goku SSJ3 Goku >= Kid Buu Thus, it stands to reason that Evil Fat Buu > Kid Buu > Good Fat Buu. It also makes sense that Evil Fat Buu is > Kid Buu, due to Good Fat Buu being able to hold his own and spar with Kid Buu for a prolonged period of time. Granted, it was shown that he was clearly weaker, but not so much weaker that it was considered a stomp.
That thing about Toriyama making the smaller characters stronger to go against expectations actually makes so much sense when you think about the Angels and how Grand Priest is apparently untouchable to Whis, who states he can't lay a finger on him.
This "the strongest forms are the smallest" is such bullshit, the strongest forms can be bigger or smaller. Vegeta's strongest form in Saiyan Saga is Oozaru, Cell stays roughly the same size, Buu's strongest form is the biggest, while most of Super's characters stay the same size. Damn, even the strongest SSJ form in Z had the biggest hair. Freeza was literally the only villain that had the most power in his smallest form.
@@hubson1443 Bro thats the point of me even saying it. In general that’s how it’s viewed, in real life it’s common for people to think the bigger person is stronger. It’s applied throughout DB that a lot of stronger powerups increase size. You can’t even call that bullshit, that is literally the original author’s idea to “get the viewer’s off guard” when a small character does something, like in the Saiyan saga you see Raditz manhandling Goku and Piccolo, then you see a tiny infant busting out of a space pod in a fit nearly killing same manhandler. Kid Buu gets underestimated by Goku and Vegeta at first, then immediately blows up the planet and steals Instant Transmission to continue. It doesn’t matter which is the strongest (Buuhan), which one chose to go on a killing spree beyond the population of Earth?
Anyone with half a brain can figure out that Buuhan >>> Buutenks >> Piccolo Buu > Super Buu >= Fat Buu > Evil Buu > Kid Buu > Good Buu/Mr Buu. I'm not even gonna address "Buff Buu" since it's not really a form. Yes, Fat Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. The power Fat Buu showed against Majin Vegeta when he got pissed off is miles above anything Kid Buu could throw at them.
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To debunk some idiotic "counterarguments", I'll lay them out here.
1. "genki does not work the same as ki/genki is not the same as ki"
Okay? We never once stated or implied that they are the same thing. The spirit bomb is derived from life energy which has proven to be exponentially powerful and regardless of the source, it's still an energy-based attack that has destructive power. It's stated by King Kai that if it's misused, the spirit bomb can destroy a planet, and we know that it has the capability to kill even those who are pure of heart. Gohan & the other Z-fighters giving their genki would provide higher results than a standalone energy attack. Even after giving their genki, Goku stated that it wouldn't be enough to kill Buu. Energy from Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and trillions+ humanoids across the Afterlife, Namek, & Earth would in fact yield higher levels of power than even Gohan's standard ki alone, and nothing contradicts that. The Daizenshuu LITERALLY says that it has immeasurable power, proving it's superior to Super Buu & Gohan, and it can even be argued that it means it'd be above Vegito & Buuhan as well. If genki wasn't exponential or more effective than "normal" ki in some situations, then why was Zamasu cut by a genki-based sword despite receiving energy from characters who are far weaker than SSJB Goku? Why was Goku's Universe 7 spirit bomb far superior in RAW POWER to his own SSJB Kaioken x20 Kamehameha? Exactly.
2. "but Goku or Ultimate Gohan could have killed Kid Buu."
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Uhh, no. Goku & Vegeta DID theorize that a full-power Kamehameha could have vaporized Buu, but as the fight is dragging on, Goku says that Kid Buu is toying with him and even says that they should have fused. The guides do say that Goku & Kid Buu were fighting blow for blow and were on equal footing initially, keyword, initially, because Buu was holding back during that fight. The Daizenshuu says that even a full-power SSJ3 Goku could not beat him. Additionally, it's confirmed in a V-Jump guide that SSJ3 Goku is least equal to Ultimate Gohan, meaning that Gohan would also not be able to defeat him. Which, given the plausible zenkais Goku got in the manga, it makes sense.
3. "Gohan was stated to be the strongest non-fused fighter."
When? I dug through several interviews and guides and that has never, EVER, been stated. It's just a fan rumor, which although does have credibility within the context of the series, Goku has several sources & statements to imply that he is at least relative, if not stronger than Gohan, even within the manga. It doesn't really matter for ranking Buu anyways.
4. "Spirit Bomb is inconsistent and that was just for plot"
Okay? It's not my job to excuse why something works or doesn't work within the series, I'm not the writer. I'm merely trying to make sense of the plot and try to explain things that I can infer from what's stated in the series. Whether it's plot or not, what happened, happened, and there's no changing that.
5. "Kid Buu was simply more dangerous, not stronger"
Although this is the case within the manga, the anime literally states over 5 times that he is the most powerful and strongest Buu, which is confirmed by a guide too. Despite the contradictions, that's what was stated. There's no contesting it.
Keep up the good work chuck the cyber chuck
I see video
*ITS* *FIVE* *MINUTES* *OLD*
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Wasn't ya gonna make a goji vid?
Cant believe your great channel is just about to reach 100k I've been watching since 40k and keep up the great work
You got to have Ryu on the channel more. He's insightful AF to be honest.
Obviously the strongest Buu is the pink one. End of discussion.
Nah its the blue one 👌🏻
Cries in Evil Buu
Nah, it's obvouisly the one with the word "Buu" in it's name.
@FaZeKakashi Not a version of buu, that's a version of a 1-up for GT.
Never thought of it that way damn
I love how some political videos will make several claims then give no sources while these guys provide a damn library of sources
alexander the greatest I’m glad him and Seth were my introduction to the power scaling community, I can’t stand some of these other guys 😂
Honey Badger Amen.
@Martin Ramirez Why
@Martin Ramirez Why are Seth and Chuck not good?
@Martin Ramirez ?????
Y'all not putting respect on buuiccolo's name
He would be the strongest Buu.
Chuck they didn’t make buuicollo fight because he would go MUI on them
There was also buuyamchatien 😂😂 but that was in budakai 2 on the PS2 . when super buu absorbs the 2 of them , he goes "noooo" lol
@@717jeezy my favorite Budokai alternate form is Cell after he absorbed Krillin lol
Z AoT I prefer the cell/freeza absorption that'd be op asf
"Kid Buu is the strongest"
"Hell no! Buuhan is the strongest"
Me, an itellectual: "Ahem, Farmbuu with shotgun is the strongest"
LMFAO still a good joke
Yambuucha
ZombieWolf naw
@@tastedivinefury2198 i just like it cause it really triggers some dbz fans that think it's serious lol
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i think buuhan is the strongest but kid buu is the most dangerous. he is completely feral
Quint 256 that is correct
@@007ejgaming hell yeah kid buu brain was dumb but reckless. Buuhan was op until vegito
Also you can’t play around with kid buu and he will destroy anything in seconds unlike the other Buu’s who decided to take their time before destroying the Earth
Exactly, that's what i've always said. Buuhan is definitively the strongest form of Buu and Kid Buu is the most dangerous like you said. Buuhan is intelligent and can at least be reasoned with, you can't reason with Kid Buu whatsoever, that dude is pure insane with no rationality.
@@fredbrooks7529 kid buu like a loose cannon, while buuhan like to test his opponent power first thanks to piccolo intelligence
It was obvious that buuhan was the strongest form in terms of absolute power. Kid Buu is simply the most sadistic and dangerous, that's why the supreme kai had an unbridled fear of kid buu. He was pure concentrated destruction
Dum LIT No shxt
Dum LIT Kid buu is stronger
@@elijahtrent21 Bruh Buuhan slaps Kid Buu
@@elijahtrent21 like they said in the manga kid buu is the 3rd strongest but the animators are just doing shit. Manga>anime
Yaseen H Than why vegeta said why is he increasing instead on decreasing from super buu. Once kid buu showed up the supreme kai believed they had no chance.
The community needed this video.
nelson morris why you have to be mad
Nelson Morris 😘
@@timchong520 not mad just sick of fucking dumb fucks like you and this guy
@@H-nan604 wow you are only triggered cause he was right lmao
Nelson Morris Why are you soo upset 😂😂your probably among the dick heads that believe that Kid Buu is the Strongest Buu I bet.
Buuhan might have had more power, but Kid Buu's lack of sanity and self preservation made him far more dangerous.
Kid Just didn’t have the intelligence he was just as strong as Buuhan…
@@Azariah-Israel smooth brain lol
@@Azariah-Israel obviously wasn't
@@Azariah-Israelno
@@jordanmince7613when the creator said Buhan was stronger yall buhan fans ran with it but when he corrected himself and said Kid Buu was stronger now he is inconsistent and doesn’t marker
Goku poops himself when he has to fight super buu and wants to fuse with Gohan. Goku crushes potara earrings when going up against kid buu
Yeah in 3 chapters Goku goes from we stand no chance against base form Super Base without fusing to being confident he can take Kid Buu without fusing in the Manga at least there is no question that Super Buu was stronger
Good facts!!!
Bro
Come on ppl in that same anime Goku was scared to fight super buu he nearly try to avoid it and try to get gohn fight him when he felt confident against kid buu like come on
They're idiots. I just reread the entire manga of DBZ and it's evident that Super Buu > Kid Buu
@@Rude_Boi I thought that was common knowledge
Ace Prime, it was stated in the anime by goku, old kai, and kabito kai that kid buu was twice as strong as super buu. Kid buu is probably the 3rd strongest buu then buutenks is in 2nd then buuhan is in the lead.
@@richieroeder25 🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤦🏽♂️
@@morningstar5535 ???????!!!!!
The genki examples are pretty cool
I still wanna read El Manga Legendario but its sauce is hard to find
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@@Chuck Thank you very much!
@@Chuck also in the manga they took as much energy as possible from their bodyes.
You said the sauce haha
@@Chuck is there a manga legendario but in english ?
Can't believe there are people who still believe Kid Buu is stronger than Gohan Absorbed Super Buu.
You'd think it would be obvious Buuhan is strongest
I’m mean if your constantly getting quotes from the characters saying he’s stronger you tend to understand why they do
chefinabottle 15 I believe that because it was stated in the show that Kid Buu is the purest form. Why wouldnt I go with that?
@@DR3S1NGH When they say he's the purest they mean down to his core, he is pure evil. You could say he's the most dangerous Buu because he destroys stuff on a whim without a second thought but there is no way in hell Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu with Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo and Gotenks absorbed.
@ You'd really think so but it seems like that isn't the case
When it comes to super buu vs kid buu, I compare how well ssj3 Goku does against them. On one hand, against super buu Goku thinks he (even with vegeta) has no chance. Whereas against kid buu, he was at least somewhat confident to beat him.
And then regreted his choice and says that they should fuse
Im seriously baffled why there is even a debate about this. Its just common sense lmao. Ssj3 goku was on par with kid buu, while goku just kept running away from super buu
Exactly, this video is ran by morons
@@markss367 cause SS3 has way to much of a power drain now that he wasn't dead
Oh you mean when they were still shrunken and weaker with no clue on whether or not they'd regain their strength such a great and genuine argument
Gokul was weakened when pushing the spirit bomb, this is emphasized when goku gets his power restored then SUDDENLY he shoves the bomb because the gen kai needed force behind it which goku lacked till his power restoration. Using the spirit bomb to infer kid buu is more powerful is literal subhuman reasoning and then using super which has ROSHI shoving base majin buu people around is ridiculous
Goku has never thrown a spirit bomb while not being weakened incredibly. Its his last resort type of attack.
When he fights vegeta he's on his last leg, when he uses it against frieza its the same thing, same when he uses it against buu and more recently he was very weakened when he used it against jiren as well. Don't think he's very used a spirit bomb at full strength or stamina.
goku has never used spirit bomb vs vegeta, it was krilling and gohan. Vs frieza he was still in better shape than against buu
@@deadline6149he was not in better shape bro used kioken x20 and got a worser ass beaten by frieza then by kid buu and with kid buu he wasnt fighting the entire time
When you say that "Cell was in the multi solar system range" that would mean that Teen Gohan was a little above him for blasting back his Kamehameha.
Leeshawn The Warrior Gohan isn’t either, solar systems are insanely huge and vary by an astronomical degree.
@@marctm7614 I'm going off what was stated.
Leeshawn The Warrior I’m aware, it’s wrong.
@@marctm7614 how is it wrong exactly?
Leeshawn The Warrior and that was a weakened gohan by atleast 50% full power teen gohan would cuck the solar system kame
When Old Kai gave his life to Goku to bring him back from the dead, did that give him a Zenkai? I mean in the ANIME, Vegeta said after he was revived on Namek; “Since I’ve been brought back from death, my power has been increased dramatically!” Would a godly being giving his life to Goku give him sort of insane boost???
I thought Zenkai's only happen from near death experiences
@@webbiefade14 yeah that's how they happen, dying and coming back doesn't give the boost
@@webbiefade14 dude lite re ally just gave you a statement and you didnt debunk his comment
I'll debunk this myself. Vegeta's near death experience before his death on namek was after getting pummeled by frieza and shot in the chest and still surviving. Gokus death was instantaneous due to exploding, so no boost wold have been acquired there.
Where did he say such thing?
Expectation: Buu's forms ranking
Reality: Phd in DBZ Buu Saga
@7:36
*TO BE FAIR:* Kid Buu wasn't resisting the Spirit Bomb itself, he was resisting Goku's Ki PUSHING the Spirit Bomb - since he was exhausted.
After the wish was made, and Goku got his Ki back, the amount of Genki in the Spirit Bomb was still the same. And it pulverized Kid Buu.
In the end it wasn't the Genkidama's energy that changed, it was Goku's.
Thank you
Regardless who the strongest is, kid buu is my favorite buu.
Him and Majin Buu, Buu and hercule are adorbs
PlayStation gamer broly is damn near the same way and he’s still the strongest infused saiyan. Only reason why goku isn’t is because he can’t always use ultra instinct
@@mrsplashman8308 Broly isn't brain dead. He's simpathetic, and would be more comparable to Majin Buu than Kid Buu who can't even speak.
Toon nah broly is dumber than majin buu. He can barely speak and just screeches most of the time
Are you people comparing DBS Broly with Buu?
Strongest being his current self in the manga
Super really fucked z up. In super fat buu all of sudden has always had the kis ki in him since separation. Which should make him the strongest buu when he was whole. Arguable buuhan or buutanks could be stronger but they havw hyped up south ki so hard its hard to think that they were stronger.
God Of Savages ahhh ok. I understand that. 👍🏽
@@salvsays they said the majority of Kai power was In kid Buu
NO F@CK SUPERS BULLSHIT Power LELEL SUPER BUU STOMPS SORRY SHIT WRITINGS DONT CHANCE THE FACT THEY SAY FAT BUU IS STRONGER LMFAO
@@salvsays here's why super buu is strongest 1.the spirit bomb
The waits over boys. Been so hyped for this.
7:53 Gohan, yes is clearly stronger than kid buu and super buu so his energy alone may have been enough, BUT Goku also didnt have the power to “unleash” the spirit bomb, which is why he was gettin pushed back and dende had to wish for gokus power to be restored
9:50
The Manga clearly said the ONLY reason Kid Boo paused the spirit Bomb was because goku didn’t have enough power left to unleash the attack properly.
The bomb power itself was not the factor, it was the force goku put behind the throw of the attack.
And once goku was able to put enough pushing force behind it, the attack succeeded
Really doesn't matter. Considering it's by far the most powerful sprit bomb created up until that point and that alone speaks volumes about kid buus power. Not to mention Goku was in extremely drained states the times he used it against freiza and Vegeta as well. So Goku actually used a 50x his base power behind the most powerful spirit bomb.
He was in far worse condition against frieza whats ur point?
@@4getmenot182 yes, it does matter. As I said in the original comment, that’s literally what the manga said.
The power of the bomb was not a factor as to why boo was able to staff it. It was strictly gokus drained power state.
@@Slamscape no it wasnt read it again.
@@4getmenot182 yea. It was, read it again.
They never added more power to the bomb in the manga. It was gokus strength that was replenished to push the push again with more force.
I'm fine with a kid buu vs super buu debate, as long as we know buuhan and buutenks are stronger however one can say kid buu was able to push back the spirit bomb because goku was fatigued notice how once he got his energy back he easily won
thats literly the whole point he literly said once goku went super saiyan he creamed it but still vegeta was stronger than krillin and gohan and couldent push it away goku would of done it but he couldent even stand and he took the energy head on for a while before he died from it too
@@Kashimo492 vegeta stronger then gohan?
Debate? Kid buu cock slaps buuhan
@@Carter-cw2yo obviously
@@Carter-cw2yo nope sorry
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Okay but one question though
SSJ Gotenks was supposed to be around SSJ3 Goku’s level. Then Gotenks went Super Saiyan 3 and still had a tough time against Super Buu.
If Goku SSJ3 < Gotenks SSJ3
Gotenks SSJ3 ~ Super Buu
Kid Buu ~ SSJ3 Goku
Then shouldn’t Super Buu > Kid Buu?
Zenkais that’s all I gotta say
Apparently goku had some zenkais
ssj gotenks isn't as strong as ssj3 goku though.
could he have gotten that zenkai from given new life by the old kai hes for sure stronger then he was when he fought fat buu earlier on.
No one got any Zenkais in this saga or in the cell saga, that's all bullshit. Goku wasn't even near death one time in this saga for it to be possible. If they happened to exist in this saga, the only people who would have them are Gohan and Vegeta, they're the only ones who were beat to near-death, twice.
I don't really remember them saying or implying goku received zenkais that made him stronger when he fought kid buu. That seems like a big assumption and head canon. But I personally always thought base super buu and kid buu were around equal in power, but kid buu is more savage and ruthless and also has better regeneration abilities and can dip into it's well of power better.. I don't really think the spirit bomb is a good thing to base stuff off of though it's pretty unreliable when it comes to scaling. In the tournament of power it prob shouldn't have been as strong as it was from universe 7's fighters excluding vegeta.
James McElroy Yeah same here. Zenkais are plot devices that they brought in "when they needed it". So therefore it was always mentioned at crucial times as to when they happened. If a Saiyan gets their asses kicked and nothing is mentioned then you can safely assume that the bad writing is canon and for that instance, the Saiyan didn't get a zenkai boost.
James McElroy goku I agree that goku did not get zenkai boosts during his fight before kid buu but he did before then.
Saiyans get zenkai boosts in near death experiences but they need to be healed after that.they don't get zenkai boosts by dying
@@Trollamollex it's not bad writing it's the zenkai boosts not being enough to beat the enemy.vegeta and goku had alot of zenkai boosts but didn't even match up to frezia so what makes you think it's gonna work against foes way stronger than frezia
@@Trollamollex they kind of admitted that it was an assumption that they were using just to make the anime make sense
This shouldn't even be a debate. Its is made very clear. Gohan buu, gotenks buu, super buu/kid buu, evil buu, majin buu(fat) . Strongest to weakest. Shouldn't be any debate. Very clear.
Quite clearly stated. I have no idea why are we having this conversation
I would put kid buu above super buu rather than equal to him, but otherwise I agree. Also I’d probably put piccolo buu above super buu but below kid buu
@@danielbp2604 I think I made a mistake. Just from goku's quotes I put super buu over kid buu. Goku claimed to be able to kill kid buu alone had he took the fight seriously and also claimed that super buu would kill him and vegeta if they fought him without fusion. Regardless those two forms are the only forms debatable.
@@1994Trill I agree that's the only debatable thing, but I disagree because goku said super buu's ki was rising when he became buff and then didn't mention anything about his ki once he became kid buu. I think goku underestimating kid buu due to his size (goku and vegeta joke about his size and look relieved once buu goes from buff to kid) and the zenkai boosts goku got throughout the arc are good explanations for why he thought he could beat kid buu (which he ended up not being able to do anyways).
@@danielbp2604 When buu reverted into being buff, that was the version of him that was made after he absorbed the strongest kai. Out of all the kais, only one was able to give kid buu problems. After buu absorbed him, he became the buff buu that we saw. So kid buu plus that strong kai makes sense to have been stronger than super buu. But after he got back small I figured he lost that kai's power for whatever reason because kid buu was his original form
How I see it before the video, weakest to strongest:
Mr. Buu< Grey Buu< Fat Buu< kid buu
Exactly how I see it too my Guy that uses the internet lol
Buff Buu is stronger than Super Buu
I would put buff buu above super buu because i think kid buu with supreme kai absorbed would give more power than grey buu with mr buu absorbed. Idk but two full power characters kid buu+kai would be stronger than 2 halves grey buu+mr buu
@Martin Ramirez lol no
@Martin Ramirez buuhan > buutenks > buccolo > kid buu
Buuhan don’t care he is the strongest
Kid Buu: “Are you now?”
Legion Vision u think kid buu could fight buuhan and win?
Need Stones dokkan Battle Buuhan will have the upper hand intelligently, but Kid Buu will still win.
Legion Vision how, buuhan is stronger than base vegito, goku and vegeta destroyed the potara earrings and said they didn’t need them against kid buu
Need Stones dokkan Battle Buuhan stronger than Vegito? Are you high right now? Vegito would of destroyed Buuhan in seconds under better circumstances.
This video changed my perspective on the Buus’ strengths, but also reaffirmed that the Buu Saga is a narrative disaster lol.
Seven V It’s not by any means a masterpiece, but the Saiyan and most of the Freiza saga were somewhat well told. The latter half of Frieza and especially Cell was where things went downhill imo.
not really. Its followable and pretty entertaining
alfa01spotivo Sure it’s followable and entertaining, but that doesn’t mean it actually makes any sense or is written well.
@@ningenslayer6306 it is though. Stuff like Vegeta's arc and fight with goku, mr satan and mr buu's friendship, super buu's character and fight with gotenks, goku and vegeta fighting kid buu and showing off their new dynamic as friends and even mr satan helping at the end is all good stuff
alfa01spotivo The issue with the Buu Saga is that these are all individual moments. They might be good, but the overall story is filled with mistakes. I can at least agree these moments make it enjoyable, but I can’t call the whole thing well written.
Buuhan: Goku and Vegeta needed to fuse into Vegito to stand a chance.
Kid Buu: Goku with SSJ3 was going one on one and dealing damage.
I mean...do you need more proof than that?
Goku got a Zenkai from being revived. This is confirmed by Vegeta being revived on Namek, he talks about being stronger and having got a Zenkai. This is most likely the cause and reasoning behind this
@@Who_Is_Cloud after the namek saga the characters do not have zenkais and goku did not receive any increase in power and was literally afraid to face a super buu base and proposed to vegeta to fusion
@@aizensosuke4518 I dunno what you watched but wasn't anybody scared of base Super Buu. SSJ3 Gotenks was stronger than Buu until Buu absorbed Piccolo. Then Buu absorbed Gotenks. Even then, Gohan was on par with Buutenks. The only reason he could even absorb Gohan was because he let his Guard down. So if y'all think Buuhan is strong than Kid Buu, you might as well say Buutenks is stronger than Buuhan.
Vegeta also says he can take on Frieza from the time he dies to the time he gets wished back. No way Vegeta trained in anyway to get a power boost that fast. He was probably still in line to meet Yemma. So your telling me Vegeta dies, gets reborn and forgets how to read power levels? Use logic. I know y'all like to ride Gohan's tip but damn.
@@Who_Is_Cloud no that’s not what happened when Buu absorbs Gotenks and Piccolo he is kicking Gohan’s ass which is why Goku even goes back there to fuse. Then when the fusion runs out in Buu he reverts to a form of Piccolo and Goku is confident he and Gohan can beat Buu now but Buu absorbs Gohan by catching him off guard, then Goku’s like oh shit and goes to try and convince Vegeta. He literally says they have no chance of winning unless they fuse. But then against Kid Buu Goku is confident enough to fight Buu one-one and believes he can beat him. That would imply that Kid Buu and Super Saiyan 3 Goku are at least comparable in power for Goku to think that, but with Buuhan he knows he has no chance and begs Vegeta to fuse with him
But wasn't it implied that Base Goku was 100x stronger than Mystic Gohan? In the official Guide book, it says that Goku and Vegeta fought the Z Fighter clones were the exact same strength as the real thing. It's also states Goku and Vegeta were recovering from using fusion and was only a 1/100 time their strength. If I remember correctly wasn't..... wasn't Goku using SSJ3 against Kid Buu? Oh shit, I think he was.
Thankyouuu my god i've been waiting so long for a big youtuber to come to this conclusion too. This actually made my day haha. I totally agree with the ranking at the end. It's annoying how 95% of the fanbase call kid buu one of the weakest buu's and say that base super buu is stronger when he's not nor did the narrative imply he is :/
Kid buu was stated to be the most dangerous not the strongest you can be very dangerous but not very strong
Yes but in Dragon Ball which is strength based The word dangerous clearly mean strongest
I get what your saying but one can make the argument that them saying he is the most dangerous is just plain and simple that he is more dangerous and not the strongest look in the case of android 19 and doctor gero they were very dangerous but not necessarily stronger than vegeta or Goku or piccolo
@@causegamez Yeah and I get what you're saying too. But as I said before, for them to say dangerous it depends on how it's used; moreover, in this case it's talking about strength not just violence or destruction because if that's the case Buuhan would be the most dangerous due to his destruction to the reality and universe he gave when yelling. You can't define dangerous as it's own meaning especially in this case. Mangawise, I'd say Buuhan is the strongest either way due to fears in which kid buu was stated to be the most dangerous non Fused Buu whereas anime Kid/Pure Buu is the strongest period due to writer affiliation and feats.
Clyde Fields toryiama said buuhan is the most powerful 😐
@@RecruitedAndrew Manga states that Kid Buu is the strongest, but that of course is incorrect
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Nah Buutenks had all the drip so he's automatically the strongest.
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This is the normal place I'd expect to see you at, I am just surprised that I've seen you in so many places, so far #337 and this is the #337'th.
majin buu is my favorite villain cause he is just that chaotic an unpredictable you never know what he is gonna do that is really fun seeing
Simple:
Goku > Fat Buu
Super Buu > Fat Buu
Gohan > Super Buu
Gohan > Super Buu + Piccolo + Goten + Trunks (not fused)
Buuhan > Goku + Vegeta (not fused)
Kid Buu = Goku
Now way Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan. And it doesn't matter what anime states: events are much more important than statements.
Also buutenks is stronger than Gohan
How is this even a topic? It’s basically in your face T-T
No, you'd be surprised how many people overestimated Buuhan's strength. (Me, for example lol.)
What happened to seth and chuck?
MrPomegranX [David] fr though lol
Super Buu is the strongest one true ( not counting Buuhan)
@@umtrain1730 its everywhere tho that buuhan is stronger. Goku said ssj 3 gotanks was stronger than him and ultimate gohan was stronger than him so I thought buuhan was stronger but I guess I was wrong :(
Imagine thinking Kid Boo is the strongest
Yh i can imagine that, why not?
Wrong!
Majuub is the strongest; teehee!
Huh bruh evil buu is the strongest on Juan
Buuhon don't care sure him
SpectterYT bro I literally argued with some person on RUclips who said kid buu was the strongest form
@@XxFr4gXxK1ng i ve heard once a very unusual claim
Buuhan > Kid Boo > Super Buu
The argument was basically that Super Boo is still a *nerfed* boo *due to Fat Buu's kindness*
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BTW. Gonna guess Buuhan is the strongest with Buutenks being right behind him.
Edited. Hmmm
Been waiting for a new video ;3 thanks dad
Bro you did it! Congrats on 100k subscribers!!!
buu's forms ranking ?
28 minutes long ?
Here have my like from the get-go
Kid buu was literally more of a god of destruction than a god of destruction
People arguing that kid buu is stronger than buhan? Internet never ceases to amaze me
I say the same thing about people who think base super buu is stronger then kid buu
Thank you for making this video. It's very entertaining and makes the anime more sense.
1:59
And I already disagree he isn't the weakest he just played with everyone and was only compared as weaker to Super Buu he is stronger than Evil and Good Buu
You also forgot to include Fit Buu , Grand Kai Buu , Buff Buu and Majubb
And piccobuu
Bro you’re so close to 100k❤️
imagine if Buu got a zenkai boost everytime he regenerated
That'd be crazy!!
He'd be broken!
Oh wow. He picked Kid Buu to be more powerful than Super Buu. Pathetic.
I always look at this conversation in terms of the definition of power. You can say that Buuhan is stronger, which is what I believe. But, Kid Buu doesn’t restrain himself. So, in combat one can assume Buuhan until he fought and nearly died to Vegito held back his ki. However, Kid Buu was always at full throttle. Like an animal compared to a fighter. Buuhan limited himself to an extent, as it’s shown the personality affects Buu. Kid Buu however just wants to play Murder time.
1. Buuhan
2. Kid buu
3. Buutenks
4. Superbuu
5. Fat buu
Anyone else miss the days of Chuck and Seth collabing on every one of each other's vids? They were always great! It's sad they don't seem to talk anymore.
early congrats on that 100k man
been a long road
theres no way on King Kai's planet that Kid Buu is the strongest... i mean, Buuhan would have MURDERED Goku or Vegeta... yet they can stand up to Kid Buu and not get totally killed?
i will say that Kid Buu, is more DANGEROUS, he dont care about fighting, if he gets bored, fuck it, he'll just go BOOM BOOM.
Stickman Gaming zenkai boost my guy, also you still need power and speed to actually be effective if you’re dangerous. Otherwise goku would’ve did what he did to Frieda to stop him from destroying earth in super
@@rdpreposterous1826 No one said you wouldn't need power and speed to be dangerous, however despite all the power and speed Kid Buu had he still didn't have as much as Buuhan. Also Goku couldn't have done that because Whis wasn't there to give him a heads-up, did you forget Freeza did destroy the planet until their local Deus Ex rewound time for them.
MV17 definitely didn’t forget that, but goku doesn’t always need someone to reverse time to stop someone from destroying a planet or worse. Buuhans vice shout was stopped before it got out of hand. Didn’t even need his insta transmission to do it btw
MV17 Goku’s exact words as he watched kid buu charge up a ball of energy was “Vegeta, we can’t stop that” it was too much for them to handle. They literally had to runaway.
Edit: in fact it was worse. Kid Buu’s power was so great goku had to be saved because the energy overwhelmed his ability to concentrate on others energy.
Blah blah. Debunk the video. We dont need more opinions
Thanks both of you for this vid.
Now this is a video i like. This felt like the complete package. Various sources, going beyond just statements and looking at feats. Comparing manga and anime correctly. This is the best video to cover which buu is the strongest. I 100% agree buuhan is the strongest. Also in the anime, where i think the statements moreso reference the base buu's rather than fused. And it also covers why kid buu is the strongest and most dangerous base from. Great job guys.
Nope
Buuhan is the strongest stop crying
@@human3213 learn to read
@@human3213 did you even read what he said he said kid Buu is the strongest base buu
Obviously the strongest is Super Buu Gohan absorbed. Kid Buu is just the most dangerous and unpredictable.
That's like saying kid buu can fight vegeto and we seen ssj3 stand up to kid buu sooooo that's hard to believe
Ace Prime you literally didn’t debunk anything there. You not wanting to believe someone/something isn’t an argument
@@nyesdaddyharder9410 you right it's not a argument cuz it's a fact and I didn't say I was gonna debunk anyting lol I just saying that's superrrrrr hard to believe
Argument from incredulity...
Arguably you can say Kid Buu can fight decently against him. Especially since the goku he fought was stronger than the goku in the fusion. Let’s not forget goku was stronger than vegeta so he made up most of the power for the fusion
RdPreposterous Kid Buu would have definitely given Vegito a good fight.
Interesting didn't know the solar systems are a lot bigger than ours.
The Dbz universe is way bigger it's a Macrcoverse made up of basically 3 universes however yeah the solar systems seem wack there lol
@@invictus6176 I saw a few of seth and chuck videos talking about how big universe 7 is, I guess it's a lot bigger than I thought if the solar systems are even bigger.
@@pralayajin-woo2700 oh yeah it's way bigger than our own existing universe pretty surreal
@@invictus6176 yeah it's crazy
The only way for Kid Buu to be stronger would be for Goku to somehow get exponentially more powerful in a few minutes. Did he get another insane zenkai for some unknown reason like in the Namek Saga? You only get zenkais from coming back from near death, not actually coming back from the dead or mid fight. Goku is never put to near death at all.
At 27:06. You forgot about Super Buu (Piccolo, Goten and Trunks absorbed) Where is her?
I’m not sure about the Spirit Bomb debate because yes it was impressive Kid Buu pushed it back, but Gohan wasn’t putting a ton of his power towards the bomb so it’s Buu holding back a move of partial genki from those who contribute not their FULL power
Honestly he just stopped Goku from pushing it because Goku was tired when Goku got his power back and that thing hit kid buu he was DONE 😂
Interesting because there is no guide anywhere or anything on how powerful energy transfers are. It would be interesting to see how powerful all spirit bombs were (ballpark) and compare them. Not just spirit bombs though, pretty much all energy gifting examples in DB
@@Dr.Zoidberg_2914 yes but with all that energy combined the sheer energy alone would've instantly killed kid buu if he was indeed weaker than regular super buu, even with Goku being exhausted, and I mean regular as in without Gotenks or Gohan absorbed. So the feat still undoubtedly confirms kid buu is stronger than super buu.
Buuhan and buutenks are still one and two though
@@kenshin6804 That's very head canon. There is 0 evidence kid buu is stronger than super buu. There is way more for the argument super buu is stronger. Honestly with that spirit bomb argument I'll just make this silly argument Hercule took a punch from kid buu 🤷♂️ super buu > kid buu
@@Dr.Zoidberg_2914 that's not head canon at all, first off, it's been shown EVERY time the spirit bomb is used, that genki is a lot more powerful than the initial ki source, and even if we absolutely ignore this and lowball it into oblivion, this thing still has the energy of Goku and Vegeta, Gohan who was absolutely fucking SHITTING on super buu their entire fight with no effort whatsoever, piccolo, goten and trunks, all of the other Z fighters, the kai's, and billions of life forms across the galaxy. Even if it's just the pure energy, not accounting for the fact that genki is a hell of a lot fucking stronger than the source, that would still make the spirit bomb laughably stronger than super buu. Gohan's ki alone would make it stronger than super buu. Then there's literally everyone else's ki added to the mix. So even if we fucking lowball it into oblivion, it's still easily more powerful than super buu. No contest.
So in conclusion, buuhan is the strongest majin, buutenks is the second, kid buu is the third, followed by super buu, then skinny/evil buu, then fat buu.
Go cry about it lol
Was lowkey hoping for some coverage on the video game forms that were introduced, even just as a little aside. That's Buu with Babidi absorbed, Buu with Dabura absorbed, Janembu, etc.
Goku told Vegeta that they can not beat Buuhan alone. That’s why Goku insisted on fusing with Vegeta. When the Supreme Kai asked Goku to fuse to fight Kid Buu he just broke the Potara earings because he believed Super Saiyan 3 was enough to beat Kid Buu. Buuhan is stronger
Yes just ignore the whole video lmfao
He don't even believe kid buu is stronger than Buuhan
Goku thought he could at full power, but later realises kid Buu was holding back and then wished he did fuse lol
Excellent video thanks chuck. I like how you did the SETH cut takes lol
People who think Kid Buu is the strongest must've forget that Goku was willing to fuse with Mr Satan forever just to gain even the smallest bit of power against Buuhan.
Yeah Super buu is definitely stronger then Kid buu. Also makes no sense to say Goku got some Zenkai boosts when nothing was shown of that and it is iffy at best and your using head canon for a very inconsistent spirit bomb attack that selectively effect the enemies it goes after. Gohan at the end of the buu saga was the strongest unfused character.
rob head cannon by chuck tbh
Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu
D'Iamante Robinson the anime and manga clearly state that Kid Buu is more dangerous, not stronger.
@@brad2881 they make it clear in both he's stronger than Super Buu. SuperBuu didn't surpass him until he absorbed Gotenks.
D'Iamante Robinson Gotenks is still stronger than Goku but SS3 Goku could’ve beat kid buu if he didn’t hold back to give Vegeta a chance. Goku also clearly stated that he and Vegeta were no match for Super Buu but neither were worried about fighting Kid Buu.
I always thought of it as kid Buu not exactly being the strongest, but the most dangerous due to having no restraints, buuhan and buutenks being stronger but not as dangerous due to being able to contemplate actions and think.
I always though Buu looked way more delicious than powerful but that is just me. He probably tastes like bubblegum
what the heck !
I...completely agree.
Most people don't have these views and you guys show it clearly.
Nice👍
appreciate the time you put into this video and made good points!!
So in the manga Buuhan is the strongest because he is a fused character, in the anime Kid Buu is the strongest because of plot. Makes sense.
Buuhan >> Kid Buu
Ever remember in a Interview that Ultimate Gohan is the strongest non fused fighter and on another interview that those two ( Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks) are more powerful than SSJ3 Goku
The Mr.ムアの丂イムイ乇 that was for the manga and actual statements > an interview. Also link this interview
The Mr.ムアの丂イムイ乇 that was for the manga and actual statements > an interview. Also link this interview
Actually, Akira never stated that. I read a few years back. It was just ppl making shit up.
That was nothing but a rumor.
Lol yall know scaling is pointless now. I bet u 1000$ toriyama doesn’t give a fuck. Tbh but it is fun to watch these videos
That's not how the spirit bomb works. It absorbs life energy, not KI
Happy 100K Chuck
I literally don't understand how for everyone else fusion increases one's abilities but the anime asserts that buu absorbing people makes him weaker. why would he do it then? kid buu being the strongest makes no sense at all. Love the video , Chuck.
Exactly
The spirit bomb doesn't work that way. It doesn't take your strength per se, rather your life energy. Geekdom made a video about so super buu has to be stronger than kid buu.
The fact that people need to know is that when goku threw the spirit bomb at kid buu Goku was heavily fatigued.Thats the only reason why kid buu was able to push back the spirit bomb.When goku got his energy back he easily destroyed kid buu
He had to turn super saiyan just to do that
Here b4 people are mad over kid buus placement
Legit extremely good powerscaling that just uses facts
Excellent collab 😎✌️
Maybe the strongest buu was the friends we made along the way
So kid buu
Jk jk
I feel that when they are calling Kid Buu the "strongest," it should've been written as the "most dangerous." That one change would've killed the contradiction, as Buuhan is the strongest, but he is still in control of his faculties, while in that form. Meanwhile, Kid Buu, despite being weaker than Buuhan, is more chaotic and dangerous. Kid Buu, unlike the other versions, immediately and outright decides to waste Earth, just 'cause. Honestly, I wouldn't be 100% opposed to arguing that Super Buu is stronger--even just a little--than Kid Buu; however--once again--his chaotic evil behavior makes him the most dangerous. That would also explain why Goku and Vegeta would comment about him like he's nothing, saying that they can take him, only for Kid Buu to suddenly say "know what? Fuck this." And blow up the planet, outright--no warning. Or even having the two be equal in capabilities...
Again, their use of Kid Buu being "the strongest" contradicts the HELL out of the scale, but if they would've called him the most dangerous, that would've aligned perfectly. Despite Buuhan's power, he holds back until he becomes grossly enraged by Super Vegito. Kid Buu just doesn't give a shit.
Unfortunately, they did refer to Kid Buu as the "strongest," and now there's unfortunately no going back, as far as the anime is concerned... 😑
In the original japanese and english manga, Buuhan is heavily implied to be the strongest Buu whilst Kid Buu is called the most dangerous and reckless. There are multiple occasions where the Anime is inconsistent with and sometimes completely deviates from the original source material
itn's not only that statement that said kid buu is the strongest. They clearly said there were other statements as well. And imo, super buu is equal to fat buu. They're the same being. The only difference is that with super buu the evil side is in charge now. You can't magically get stronger by defusing and fusing again. You're still the same... lol.
Goku being able to use the spirit bomb against kid buu wasn’t really contradicting, he just needed his energy back for him to destroy kid buu, plus saiyans are given a power boost after a big ass fight so🤷🏿♂️
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That is the dumbest thing to conclude. What is the point of having a fusion using Potara earrings that makes the two Saiyans the most powerful being ever known at that time? And we are talking about a Buu who has a Fat Buu, two kid Saiyans, an adult Saiyan more powerful than his father or equal to him and a powerful Super Namekian.
And that is far weaker than Kid Buu? I don't care how much talk you say. Goku could do nothing with Gotenks Buu or Mystic Buu at all. Never of them could. And now Im supposed to believe that this runt can destroy Gotenks Buu or Mystic Buu?
GOoH man!
"If you guys have ever seen DBZ, you are more than likely acquainted with the Buu saga."
Me who saw the Kai dub on Nicktoons as a kid: The what?
Felt that
In my opinion it goes
Buuhan
Buu(gotenks absorbed)
Kid buu
Super buu
Evil buu
Majin buu (fat buu)
But for some of u who might not realize it kid buu can also absorb people just like super buu how u think he became super buu he absorbed one of the supreme kais
The issue with the super buu and kid buu strength comparison is the extreme fighting knowledge super buu had from absorbing piccolo, gohan and gotenks. Piccolo especially being he was one with kami here
Now this puts a smile on my face.
Yall gotta remember goku was extremely fatigued by the time he gathered and threw the spirit bomb which played a very big part in kid buu stopping the spirit bomb before they wished goku back to full energy. You can argue that goku's zenkai after being wished to full energy helped but keep in mind goku was on par with kid buu the whole fight and if memory serves me right he stated he could've beaten kid buu but he wanted to give vegeta a shot (smh). I could be wrong considering it's been a while but I am quite sure if goku used a spirit bomb as early as possible during the kid buu fight that kid buu wouldn't have been able to stop it
Ok but wasnt he fatiqued anytime he used the spirit bomb? Why we just ignoring this feat when goku has never used this power when he wasnt tired. Also u realize how powerful that spirit bomb was? And goku had to turn super saiyan just to push it to kid buu so that means the power of the spirit bomb + super saiyan a 50x multiplier
The thing about Fat Buu is that he has two forms: Evil Fat Buu and Good Fat Buu, the latter which is the weakest. Fat Buu got weaker when he turned good, which was shown and stated.
Evil Fat Buu >= SSJ3 Goku
SSJ3 Goku >= Kid Buu
Thus, it stands to reason that Evil Fat Buu > Kid Buu > Good Fat Buu. It also makes sense that Evil Fat Buu is > Kid Buu, due to Good Fat Buu being able to hold his own and spar with Kid Buu for a prolonged period of time. Granted, it was shown that he was clearly weaker, but not so much weaker that it was considered a stomp.
I agree with this, i think Evil Fat Buu is overlooked most of the time.
That thing about Toriyama making the smaller characters stronger to go against expectations actually makes so much sense when you think about the Angels and how Grand Priest is apparently untouchable to Whis, who states he can't lay a finger on him.
This "the strongest forms are the smallest" is such bullshit, the strongest forms can be bigger or smaller. Vegeta's strongest form in Saiyan Saga is Oozaru, Cell stays roughly the same size, Buu's strongest form is the biggest, while most of Super's characters stay the same size. Damn, even the strongest SSJ form in Z had the biggest hair. Freeza was literally the only villain that had the most power in his smallest form.
@@hubson1443 Bro thats the point of me even saying it. In general that’s how it’s viewed, in real life it’s common for people to think the bigger person is stronger. It’s applied throughout DB that a lot of stronger powerups increase size. You can’t even call that bullshit, that is literally the original author’s idea to “get the viewer’s off guard” when a small character does something, like in the Saiyan saga you see Raditz manhandling Goku and Piccolo, then you see a tiny infant busting out of a space pod in a fit nearly killing same manhandler. Kid Buu gets underestimated by Goku and Vegeta at first, then immediately blows up the planet and steals Instant Transmission to continue. It doesn’t matter which is the strongest (Buuhan), which one chose to go on a killing spree beyond the population of Earth?
Anyone with half a brain can figure out that Buuhan >>> Buutenks >> Piccolo Buu > Super Buu >= Fat Buu > Evil Buu > Kid Buu > Good Buu/Mr Buu. I'm not even gonna address "Buff Buu" since it's not really a form. Yes, Fat Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. The power Fat Buu showed against Majin Vegeta when he got pissed off is miles above anything Kid Buu could throw at them.
nice video! appreciate the bo2 music