This two-parter is such a mixed bag of amazing moments and highly questionable ones, but it's way too significant in the show's history to ignore. I'll go ahead and say I like it.
if nightmare in silver had been a two-parter and hadn't had those annoying kids, it would have been one of the best and most sinister episodes of doctor who to date, and certainly the best cyberman episode
the scenes with the doctor and his evil half were I think some of the best scenes in Doctor who. I love whenever the doctor has to face off against his darker self. The Valeyard, the Dream Lord, his own daemons before the day of the doctor and the doctor/cyber controller.
Part one should have replaced Journey to the centre of the TARDIS and have been called Saviour of the Cybermen, and then have part two be called Nightmare in Silver :)
Best cyberman episodes since 2005 1. Age of steel (part 1 & 2) 2. The Doctor falls (part 1 & 2) 3. Doomsday (part 1 & 2) I no doomsday is shared with daleks but the cybermen need more horror style like age of steel and doctor falls it suits them its the only way to make them terrifying where as the daleks suit war style
The Cybermen frequently update their look and always have done. No biggie. Also, Moffat wanted to bring back the original Cybermen from Mondas, so giving them a new look would help distinguish them from the Cybus Cybermen. Also (again) the new Cybermen are made out of more flexible, lighter materials that weren't available to the costume department in 2006.
TheValeyard92 That's all well and good, buuuut why were the Cybermen encountered in A Good Man Goes to War and Closing Time still presented in the Cybus design, except had the blank chestplate instead of the C logo? Continuity implying they're the Mondas variant. Why not just redesign them for that? Also the new Cybermen are too invincible and with the only surefire to get rid of them is planetary detonation, so how are we puny humans supposed to stand any chance if these new Cybermen appear in modern-day Earth?
NeoDragonCount It's traditional to update the look, and the costumes of the new Cybermen are lighter, more flexible and generally more practical. However, RE: "Why were they Cybus Cybermen in AGMGTW and Closing TIme?"... Dunno. Budget wouldn't stretch to new suits I suppose. As for their powers, that really isn't anything to do with the design/look of them. If they hadn't had the new suits ready in time for Nightmare in Silver, the script would have stayed the same and they'd still be being portrayed as that powerful. Also, it's all fiction, so how powerful they are completely depends on the writing of any given episode.
TheValeyard92 Well that AND their powers seemed a little inconsistent. In one scene a Cyber Unit ran like the Flash, yet they only do it once to abduct one of those super annoying kids (another thing that ruined Nightmare in Silver). So why weren't they all super-speeding and snapping the soldiers' necks in the process of being literally untouchable? Wouldn't it make more sense to just end the threat there instead of marching slowly towards the castle? In fact, if they could run so fast, they could've just ran over the moat, over the walls and past the defenses and taken everyone out. Plot convenience. Another thing; why did the partially upgrade Hedgewick display emotion, and why was the Cyber Planner so eccentric? It's been established from Day 1 that the Cybermen are what eventually became of the humans of Mondas due to extensively replacing their body parts with mechanical substitutes to the point that there was nothing human left in them, the only reminder of their origin being in their shape and few remaining organic parts. They're supposed to be devoid of emotion and rely solely on logic and variables.
NeoDragonCount Hey... I'm not here to stick up for Nightmare in Silver. It's godawful, and everything you said about it is absolutely correct. I'm just here to explain the reasoning behind the new design.
Martin Studios The Doctor Falls technically answered that. The Doctor says that Cybermen are inevitable and will be created anywhere providing there is technology. The Moffat Cybermen just originated on a different world with different technology than the Cybus ones.
“SKIN OF METAL, AND A BODY THAT WILL NEVER AGE OR DIE” favorite line ever
That parallel universe two-parter is my favorite Cybermen story.
This two-parter is such a mixed bag of amazing moments and highly questionable ones, but it's way too significant in the show's history to ignore. I'll go ahead and say I like it.
if nightmare in silver had been a two-parter and hadn't had those annoying kids, it would have been one of the best and most sinister episodes of doctor who to date, and certainly the best cyberman episode
the scenes with the doctor and his evil half were I think some of the best scenes in Doctor who. I love whenever the doctor has to face off against his darker self. The Valeyard, the Dream Lord, his own daemons before the day of the doctor and the doctor/cyber controller.
johnkerry7 But he wasn't facing his evil self, it was just a Cyber-Planner taking him over. There was nothing in that that was the Doctor.
Part one should have replaced Journey to the centre of the TARDIS and have been called Saviour of the Cybermen, and then have part two be called Nightmare in Silver :)
TheWhoCollector Precisely.
+Water Ninja Productions I think you're a bit crazy
Fricking chills at 0:13 man, best cybermen ever
There's something quite sinister about the sound of brass mixing with the sound of marching steel...
Perhaps because it makes you think of a propaganda film made by an oppressive government?
"Why am I cold?...."
Where's Gareth?, It's unlucky for him to see me the night before.
I'm cold. I'm so cold.
Three fantastic compositions, that you've blended together beautifully. Bravo
Thanks very much! :)
The time is nigh the steel age a the evolution of humanity upgraded into from cyberspace must begin
This is just awesomeness
Ahhh this brings back memories, back when Doctor who was a great show😢
BlUeSpIdeRmAn00 doctor who has definitely gone down hill but the most recent series of Doctor who was pretty good imo
@@arcticlegend9170 oh yeaaaa.
@@lucariogamer3786 That's comment was wrote before *it* happened
season 12 is a lot better then matt smith tbh
You mean a few weeks ago?
A wonderful composition
Amazing piece :) Love it
Best cyberman episodes since 2005
1. Age of steel (part 1 & 2)
2. The Doctor falls (part 1 & 2)
3. Doomsday (part 1 & 2)
I no doomsday is shared with daleks but the cybermen need more horror style like age of steel and doctor falls it suits them its the only way to make them terrifying where as the daleks suit war style
Djayscratcher i would put Doomsday at the top but apart from that I 100% agree
One of the most horrifying and instantly recognisable Cyberman quotes to me is "I did my duty for queen and country." Doomsday was horrifying.
I wonder if the Cybermen will make an appearance in Series 10. The Daleks obviously will. But Cybermen? Not sure. Same with the Weeping Angels.
In the end, the opposite happened. No Dalek episode, but a Cyberman two part finale
@@alexanderi.3550 and in my opinion a damn good one
And it not only included the Mondas Cybermen, but the Cybus ones too.
Xander Iwicki I think you should probably read the date it was posted...
I wish they'd finally give us an episode that would justify why the Moffat era got rid of these Cybermen.
The Cybermen frequently update their look and always have done. No biggie.
Also, Moffat wanted to bring back the original Cybermen from Mondas, so giving them a new look would help distinguish them from the Cybus Cybermen.
Also (again) the new Cybermen are made out of more flexible, lighter materials that weren't available to the costume department in 2006.
TheValeyard92 That's all well and good, buuuut why were the Cybermen encountered in A Good Man Goes to War and Closing Time still presented in the Cybus design, except had the blank chestplate instead of the C logo? Continuity implying they're the Mondas variant. Why not just redesign them for that? Also the new Cybermen are too invincible and with the only surefire to get rid of them is planetary detonation, so how are we puny humans supposed to stand any chance if these new Cybermen appear in modern-day Earth?
NeoDragonCount It's traditional to update the look, and the costumes of the new Cybermen are lighter, more flexible and generally more practical.
However, RE: "Why were they Cybus Cybermen in AGMGTW and Closing TIme?"... Dunno. Budget wouldn't stretch to new suits I suppose.
As for their powers, that really isn't anything to do with the design/look of them. If they hadn't had the new suits ready in time for Nightmare in Silver, the script would have stayed the same and they'd still be being portrayed as that powerful.
Also, it's all fiction, so how powerful they are completely depends on the writing of any given episode.
TheValeyard92 Well that AND their powers seemed a little inconsistent. In one scene a Cyber Unit ran like the Flash, yet they only do it once to abduct one of those super annoying kids (another thing that ruined Nightmare in Silver). So why weren't they all super-speeding and snapping the soldiers' necks in the process of being literally untouchable? Wouldn't it make more sense to just end the threat there instead of marching slowly towards the castle? In fact, if they could run so fast, they could've just ran over the moat, over the walls and past the defenses and taken everyone out.
Plot convenience.
Another thing; why did the partially upgrade Hedgewick display emotion, and why was the Cyber Planner so eccentric? It's been established from Day 1 that the Cybermen are what eventually became of the humans of Mondas due to extensively replacing their body parts with mechanical substitutes to the point that there was nothing human left in them, the only reminder of their origin being in their shape and few remaining organic parts. They're supposed to be devoid of emotion and rely solely on logic and variables.
NeoDragonCount Hey... I'm not here to stick up for Nightmare in Silver. It's godawful, and everything you said about it is absolutely correct.
I'm just here to explain the reasoning behind the new design.
7:30 gives me chills every time
**reads the description** impossible! EXTERMINATE
This should be on RUclips music
"Chamber 6 now ooen for Human Upgrading"
No "chamber 6 now open for cyber bullying"
Chamber 7 now open for Human Upgrading
THE LAST HUMANS MUST BE HERE SOMEWERE WE MUST UPGRADE THEM!
I remember hearing this music for the first time and i thought how deadly it made the then new cybermen sound
Upgrading is compulsory.
And if I refuse?
cybermen can't appear in next seasons due to the last window update
The daleks are supreme at every thing Even themes
***** This is obvious.
+ThatStrangeSuit we can easily exterminate the cyber men they are weak we are supreme
You two may argue about who has the better theme, but the Master has by far the best theme of any villain in Doctor Who.
All hail the Cybermen!
4:27 my personal favorite
YOU MUST BE UPGRADED UPGRADING IS COMPULSORY
Do you still have the Children in Need Concert recording?
awsome
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A great theme but Space Adventure by Martin Slavin is still a better theme for the Cybermen
NOWAY
@@jolandachandler6664 ruclips.net/video/Yic5OoNv8o4/видео.html (Cue Cyberman breaking through tombs)
1.5 speed ftw
I'm *deleting* that dislike button.
Oh hell no u didn't just say that the cybermen beat the daleks at music we beat them at everything
NEGATIVE. DALEKS HAVE NO CONCEPT OF MUSIC.
Cyberman voice: But consider our music tastes are compatible. Cybermen plus Daleks, together we could upgrade all types of music in the universe.
+Arrow TT33 And that was how dubstep was created.
+DanFilmsLtd. Agreed
Martin Studios The Doctor Falls technically answered that. The Doctor says that Cybermen are inevitable and will be created anywhere providing there is technology. The Moffat Cybermen just originated on a different world with different technology than the Cybus ones.