Skyrim vs Oblivion - The Thieves Guild - Which is BETTER?
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
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In our latest Elder Scrolls video we compare the thieves guild of Skyrim & Oblivion.
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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series, following The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and was released worldwide for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on November 11, 2011.
The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim. Over the course of the game, the player completes quests and develops the character by improving skills. The game continues the open world tradition of its predecessors by allowing the player to travel anywhere in the game world at any time, and to ignore or postpone the main storyline indefinitely.
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I'm not knocking the Thieves Guild quest line of Skyrim but...
The whole series to get Thief artifacts, using them to pull off the Ultimate Heist to steal one of the series' namesakes, and finally using it to sort of break a curse on a Daedric artifact to restore the identity of the Gray Fox to his true self a count, also reuniting him with his poor seeming widow of a wife in the process...
EPIC. It is made of pure EPIC.
Epic? I think you mean...
CAPITAL!
The only problem with the Thieves Guild quest is that you can do the whole thing without getting caught and it still plays hell with the rest of the game. Stealing the Arrow of Extrication pisses off the Mages Guild unless you get lucky, and becoming the Guild Leader gives you a bad reputation and makes it so you can't use the DLC equipment unless you re-do the quest. It doesn't make it any less of a good questline, but it does suck for that.
@@gakk8658 what? I don't remember having those problems.
@@gakk8658 I mean, why bother with the Crusaders Gear after quest is over? It's too easy to lose, in my opinion.
I end up using Glass gear stacked with resist magic sigil stones anyway.
In Oblivion you're a thief. In Skyrim you're a mafia thug, who sometimes steals..
Holy fuck yeah... thanks for ruining it for me bro. Now im gonna be thinking about it the whole car ride home.
In Oblivion you're a vigilante. In Skyrim you become a real crime boss.
@@Aewon84 more like Mavens lap dog.
makes sense because nord are generally more violent
@@SPSguy836 And yet most of their members aren't Nords.
Walks into town...
" wanna join the super secret theives guild?"
Well I mean it’s not so secret I mean it’s in the same realm of hey let’s do tryouts with the thieves guild and say it to multiple people at the same time ....oblivion while well in Skyrim you get told after the first job....so idk
Lmao nothing's as good as the morrowind thieves guild introduction
@@rokkfel4999 Still better than Skyrim imo. The Waterfront district is controlled by the Thieves Guild, because the poor congregate there. They have no reason to rat out the thieves guild.
@@rokkfel4999 Keep in mind, you hear about the thief trial in Oblivion through rumors and asking around... When you show up the Doyen is completely surprised to see you 'Who are you? Well, damnit, fine, you can tryout too.'...
randomizer1666 yeah I get that it just...I mean cmon couldn’t we go to a secluded space ...I mean gaurds still patrol normally in the waterfront where the trial starts ...like that’s my biggest gripe
My favorite revelation was always that the Grey Fox respected Lex so much that he sent him to Anvil to protect his wife.
It certainly seemed that way, especially since he was a big hotshot Captain in the Imperial City. Certainly he got sent there because Gray Fox liked him.
Kalgert I thought that as well and since well the man seems near infallible in his duty and ardent about doing them the Fox was like ....yes this man will surely be the one that would protect my wife to his last breath
I never thought about that, I love that
Does he ever react to the count of anvils identity after the quest line
Becomes Guild Master:
"So, you're Brynjolf's new protoje eh? Don't look like much to me."
This has always bugged me, it's like you can be the Dragonborn, defeater of Harkon, Mirrak and Alduin. For some guard to be like "what's wrong someone stole your sweet role".
I think of the Dragonborn as a Demi god, there should be progression reflected in the game that feels somewhat authentic.
Its the only thing I dislike about skyrim. They were lazy about that detail.
lol same thing with oblivions mages guild.
becomes archmage:
"ah you must be the arcane university's newest addition, this humble battlemage bids you welcome"
@@fundorgon That's why I have to use mods like Skyrim Reputation, Guard Dialogue Overhaul, and Relationship Dialogue Overhaul those three mods alone fix all that.
@@babylonisfallen4411 I mean you are still the newest addition. I don't remember any mages joining after your character.
Oblivion because you actually felt like you climbed the ranks to earn the title "Guild Master".
If only it was 1000 to start first quest all the way up to 10k. To finish i would have though oblivion was extremely good but instead one stop at red diamond jewelers and i had 1k
Meh, honestly it really doesn’t.
I mean, it’s definitely better than Skyrim in that sense, the latter doesn’t really show much of a progression in the guild, but in my first Oblivion playthrough I joined the guild, robbed a couple houses here and there, and I just had enough goods stolen to advance through most of the ranks
@@Mastattak i just rob a store i never shop at. For that quest.
@Speedy Gonzalez Yea, I usually save the main quest as the last to complete. I can't remember at what point I was then, but defeinetely during the early stages.
I played Skyrim only and don’t know anything about Morrowind, but hands down. Morrowind Thief’s guild main quest is better. For being an actual thief story. (Skyrim is Thugs guild, that’s why I also love it haha)
How to make the Skyrim “Thieves Guild” “better”:
-Add Ranks & Structure
-Rename it Thugs Guild
I really like the range of exploitative activities you get to do as the thieves guild and, tbh I'm a bit disappointed there aren't even more of them - smuggling/protection racketeering for instance.
Eric D. We thugs mang
Dracovox Because in Oblivion you are actually Thieves while in Skyrim you do various Crimes. It’s more like a group of Thugs then a group of Thieves.
@@DeadlycheesePeople
You have fellow guild members attacking people in the streets and murdering people for coin. If you are part of guild they recognize you and leave you alone.
Dracovox Not really. One focuses on Purely Thieving, while the other does about 50% Thieving & most of the Thieving is the radiant quests.
In the Main Quest in Skyrim out of the 12 Main Quest line missions, maybe 3 are Thief Related while the rest are dungeon crawlers, tailing people, rigging a Businessman to fail, Joining a Cult, Returning a Stolen Object & then a Leader Party.
Now I love the Thieves Guild Quest line but when you think about it, you don’t do that much Thieving in the Main Story. You do it more so in the Radiant/Misc Quest line. The intro & The Golden Estate are (I think) the only real Thief related Main Quests. There’s also the Dwemer Museum that started as a Thief Focused but that gets turned into a Paper Rubbing.
Level 1 Thief
Level 100 Guild Master
“That’s how mafia works.”
Joker pfp
@@Garangus Congratulations, you can see!
@@Garangus moon man, even worse
I've got a pure thief character on one of my Skyrim saves and it seems like most of the thieving comes after the questline. Trying to restore the guild and fill the trophy shelf is pretty fun, even though the last few trophies take far too many radiant quests.
But I think it's kind of poetic. When you join, Mercer has almost destroyed the guild. Thus forcing you to start from a weird place. But then you get back in Nocturnal's favor! You behave more like the thieves guild should, and you can see the fruits of your labor.
This is the first time I rebuilt the guild before I even met Karliah or was betrayed by Mercer.
The great irony in Skyrim's thieve's guild is being able to complete the entire main and side quest line and the only crime you MUST commit is 1 act of trespassing.
@@heirofaniu wdym? You commit several acts of vandalism and even attempted murder at one point.
@@braidenr4 You can skip all of that.
I’m in favor of the Oblivion Thieves questline. I mean, the “secret passageways in castles being used a bit much” is understandable, but... which castle DOESNT have secret passageways, c’mon! If your castle doesn’t have a secret passageway, is it really a castle? 😏
The better question would be, "If it doesn't have machicolations, is it really a castle?" But the best question would be, "what about DRAGONS?!"
SkyStorm Plays a man of culture I see
I just nearly had a heart attack over feeling like I had a psychic connection with you n that moment
@@skystorm569 SHADIVERSITY XD
You do know that the narrator has an obvious Bias for skyrim lol. Nitpicking is the term. We all know oblivion reused level design assets, thats fine. To use that as a jab is pretty skewed when skyrim reuses a lot of assets as well in MANY areas.
I always liked the hot statue of Nocturnal in the thieves guild. Definitely my favourite part
Vincent Moral
She sure grows mine.
@@RUclipscanfuckagoat oh
Dibella statue also look nice. Although not that big, but at least you can put it in your house.
@@l0remipsum991 that's a bonus
AC L hey fun fact about them and the small ones you can get they um seem to have nipples......I found this out when I got one of them with the white instead of pure gold and was checking on it
You know you've stayed up too late when the Aussies start posting
Aussie Aussie Aussie oi oi oi
AHAHAHAH nice one
Oh not you too man Australia is a fictional place. It is not real
Strike The Valstrax i would play that for sure
It’s 3am and I’m watching this. Also an Aussie o/
Not to mention, in any faction questline, it's common to stop a quest and do other stuff for other guilds or just for yourself. Sometimes for long periods. You could always check your rank progress in your inventory, and each rank had unique artwork. It was really satisfying that each rank felt kinda special.
I remember I was never made an honorary blade brother in the Blades on my first playthrough because I attacked the emperor, Baurus, and Glenroy too much. Jauffre is supposed to offer you the privilege after delivering Martin to the temple. They hated me so much, that all the blades grimmaced after speaking with me. I did the whole main questline without ever being a Blade. It was actually really cool, looking back.
wait what? you can't join the blades
@@basyarajo9970 yes you can
jauffre offers to make you a knight brother/sister after you take martin to cloud ruler temple in the main quest
you get a free akaviri katana and you can nick all the stuff in the temple and strip it bare
@@basyarajo9970 He couldn't because of his actions. Most people don't go around in the tutorial attacking the Emperor, LOL.
...When you enter the comment section, already AWARE that people will say Oblivion.
lol
It's commonly accepted that Oblivion is better so people generally just parrot the opinions of others.
@@jarofpickles4057 no it's not lol but when it comes to guilds (aside from fighter's guild) and quests oblivion is Just better
@@jarofpickles4057 It's also common to excuse an unpopular subjective opinion by claiming the popular opinion is just people parroting. But then again, it's also common for people to refuse to enter debate because they understand that their view is purely subjective and they aren't aware enough to be able to make a strong argument of their own. That's why when debating or disagreeing with somebody, I post a long argument exploring why I think I'm right and why they are wrong. That way, we avoid the more childish form of argument for something a tad more intellectual...
I've played hundreds of hours of both games and while Skyrim does levelling and perks better (though strays too far from traditional fantasy RPG levelling that I am a fan of) its quests are dogshit. And the thing with levelling and gameplay is that it can be easily adjusted with mods, but with story, quests and characters, modders rarely have the budget or skills to do a proper job.
@@pagatryx5451 I tried to reply to your first paragraph a few times but I keep accidently backspacing and it just keeps getting deleted for some reason so I'm not going to bother anymore.
I've played both Oblivion and Skyrim for hundreds of hours each, thousands in the case of the latter. I got into the series through Oblivion well over ten years ago, played it quite a bit on the 360 and had a ton of fun. The game's atmosphere hooked me immediately, and is mostly responsible for me buying it again on PC so I could go back to experience it again. That said, after many hours of base Skyrim and well over a thousand with dozens to hundreds of mods, I have to say I prefer Skyrim.
Oblivion by default has a better atmosphere and better Guild questlines for the most part, the Fighters Guild is pretty ass. I like the main story for both but I definitely prefer Skyrim's DLC. My main problem with Oblivion that, funnily enough, also extends to base Skyrim is that the worlds themselves just feel so lifeless and hollow, and just about every game system in both feels the same. The only difference is that Skyrim is entirely responsible for making the modding scene what it is, and as such the quality and quantity of the mods available on Skyrim puts Oblivion to shame. That, combined with how much newer and more polished Skyrim Special Edition is, just makes it a better game in my eyes.
Sorry lad/lass. I’ve got important things to do. We’ll speak another time.
Jay K. Lmao 😂
I honestly can no longer play Skyrim unless I have one of the mods on that fixes that because it pisses me off so badly
Can it wait for a bit? I’m in the middle of some calibrations
Makes me cry every time
All eyes are on you lad/lass. Don't disappoint us
I dread walking into riften because I know I was going to get the thieves guild quest even if I have 0 items stolen in my character stats. That's not how I should feel to any kind of quest.
It pisses me off, cause if you go late gate with a couple thousand gold, brynyolff says "haven't worked an honest day in your life have you?" Like mfker I earned this shit.
Without having seen the video:
I think nothing can top to *steal an Elder Scroll from the White-Gold Tower !*
There's assassinating the emperor.
@@themilkman7520 Not really. That was probably one of the not so many good quests in Skyrim, and even that wasn't nearly as good as most of the other Oblivion quests
@@markokrstic8795 That's pretty subjective. I had a much better time assassinating the emperor than "most other Oblivion quests".
@@ShaggyDabbyDank And that's just anecdotal. While you might have had fun doing that incredibly simple quest that i really don't see how anyone can 'have fun doing' many others wouldn't even want to compare Skyrim's quests to Oblivion's because Oblivion's quests are unquestionably better.
@@themilkman7520 not to mention assassinating the emperor has nothing to do with the theives guild therefore the comparison is redundant. If this was talking overall quests..... Oh no wait oblivion would still win.
Grey Fox sitting in somebody house planning the Great Heist to steal an Elder Scroll. I pick up a carrot off the table, “you dirty little fetcher, how dare you steal from me!” Now I have a bounty because The Grey Fox reported me, Capital! 😂
What a fucking hypocrite! 😂
Yeah I love that.
Skyrim’s thieves guild definitely had a more mafia vibe.
Corrupt guards, poor citizens, and overall shitty town.
I can kind of appreciate that but it shouldn’t be called a thieves guild if hardly any of it really involves thieving, or if the thieving isn’t necessary.
You should do the Dark brotherhood next.
Well I have a lil theory that may be true.....their is no real thrives guild I mean the one we see in oblivion don’t really follow nocturnal as much since well the gray fox is in a way a enemy of hers and is cursed but they still pay respect with “shadows hide you”but in Skyrim it’s like we may not worship her completely but well she’s Lady Luck gives some reverence...and the different styles of theiving in oblivion I got this more light fantasy vibe with it as it was more vigilantism while Skyrim is well more of a mob style with racketeering and bribes and all that....
is kind of like the brotherhood of steel they are bad but in the capital wasteland they were good.
I wish they made an actual mafia guild
Heck yeah and the 3rd or 4th Mission wasn't about stealing but doing extortion to the merchants and Maven being involved with them seems like One of those Classic politician working with the mafia.
@@rokkfel4999 The Gray Fox finds the way to remove the curse of Nocturnal which is the whole point in a way. That and him being able to return to his wife. And hey at the end Nocturnal really blesses Oblivion's Thieves Guild as you get a beautiful and awesome three story Thieves Guild HQ that sure beats the stupid dump in Skyrim. I park the Adoring Fan on the first floor and he chats up all the local thieves that come in to visit every night.
I even put the big easel painting I get as a reward from the sweet art thief in Chorrol Castle there too since I feel she deserves and honorary membership for rewarding me with that when I didn't at her out to the Countess. And why would I ever rat her out anyway. I'm a thief too.
I loved how in Oblivion there was that loading screen "Some officials insist the thieves guild doesn't even exist" like I really really wanted to find out
In Skyrim they are aware of the Theives Guild but mock them by calling them just a bunch of thugs basically
I genuinely used to think there wasnt one myself considering how hard it was to find them for me
Oblivion by FAR. The questline is a million times better and forces you to actually ACT like a thief, whereas in Skyrim you just do basically dungeon crawls and a mafia shakedown.
"The guild frowns on killing?" Sure, Brynjolf, maybe in the side missions. However, you can go full-on Conan and hack s**t up with a great sword in the main questline with no problems. In fact, the game basically takes you down that road.
Also, while the Nightingales have an interesting lore, I do overall prefer the Gray Fox.
Those are my thoughts, at least.
'In fact, the game basically takes you down that road.'
Only if that is your choice. A good thief can sneak past anything. You can't really blame the game for your own inaptitude at stealth, especially when stealth is so overpowered in Skyrim. I've multiple times gone through entire dungeons without killing anyone.
@@Aewon84
Great. Now fight mercer again.
@@6236003
Not in my experience. Because the Thieves guild is all the way in Riften it's one of the last questlines I'm introduced to. Typically this is the order the game naturally brings you to the questlines.
Introduced to the main quest at Helgen
Introduced to the civil war at Helgen
Introduced to College of Winterhold at Riverwood at the earliest
Introduced to Dark Brotherhood at Riverwood at the earliest
Introduced to the Companions at Whiterun
It's not until you *go* to Riften that you get introduced to the Thieves guild. Because I kinda hate Riften I'm usually at like level 20 before I ever go there in the first place or I go there to kill Grelod the Kind in which case I'll be more focused on progressing the DB than the Thieves guild. On that note, once you have the DB armor, you become much better at sneak because those boots completely nullify your sound. You only need two perks in sneak plus DB boots to be pretty much set for sneak for the early game.
In skyrim, there's almost no difference between the dark brotherhood and the thieves. In Oblivion you would be kicked out of the thieves guild if you did anything remotely brotherhood like
@@ewwpoorpeople5684 Actually. You can kill people, as long as it isnt on the job. I was able to do that in Oblivion and stay neutrally in both the TG and DB. It is fun
Oblivion had the best quests and you actually earned your way into the guild .
Whereas in Skyrim they let you in even if you fail the first quest
Morrowind was the best one. You were just nobody who was treated like a eyesore.
@@Tespri Yeah, they did. What about the Morag Tong? You had to find the hideout,then, if you were skilled enough, pick a level 100 lock to get in!
@@stanleywilliams1605 I found it by accident and that was one out of many things which made morrowind awesome. It actually rewarded exploration. Like finding underwater dwemmer city just by accident.
@@Tespri Exactly!!
An Oblivion Thieves guild video? CAPITAL!
I'm the 22nd person to get this joke
LigoniVI Shadow Hide You.
The peasants and beggars are under the personal protection of the Gray Fox, particularly here on the Waterfront.
LigoniVI Thank you, kind sir
Blessin‘s of Mystara upon ye.
In Skyrim you barely have to sneak at all. You can be a heavy armoured, shout-spamming, warrior and still do all the quests.
And it doesn't matter if you fail and bumble your way through them, the game won't let you fail.
Handholding. That sums up my main problem with Skyrim quite well. I still enjoy the game well enough, but the handholding is very problematic for me
I forget how amazing the thieves guild actually was in oblivion. It’s pretty shabby in Skyrim and more of a chore to do in replays.
Hey Boone how u doing, u meet anyone recently
lorcan rice not much man just patrolling the Mojave wishing for a nuclear winter.
Craig Boone My boy how are you kill any Deathclaws or Legion Abominations recently
Dark Brotherhood fucking sucked in Skyrim as well, yet in Oblivion it was amazing! Tbh the quest lines in Oblivion overall were much better than Skyrim. I love both games though and played the shit out of them both.
@@DeepSooth Mods really helped save Skyrim. It felt so lazy compared to Oblivion.
Removing the ranking system in much of Skyrim's Guilds did remove that sense of progression and accomplishment you got from the Oblivion one.
What always bugged me about Skyrim was how each faction fails to acknowledge your status as both the Dragonborn and potential head of other guilds. Vilkas talking about you like a nobody after you went to Sovengarde to beat the shit out of the world eater; the literal first-born of THE Divine in Chief, what the hell?
The only time you see a relation between two guilds is between the dark brotherhood and the thieves guild when you bring the amulet to delvin etc.
I love the Dremora part. The Mage's Guild went quite far out of their way to show their displeasure.
Lol is this even in question?
Oblivion final quest: go steal an elder scroll in the imperial palace
Skyrim final quest: go kill that guy in a random cave
isn't the final quest in skyrim relinquishing the skeleton key?
The final quest in skyrim has SUCH a cool explanation for why the Thieves guild was doing poorly that no part of oblivion has ever. The fact that Nocturne provided them with "luck" and mercer frey broke that contract makes returning the skeleton key (the actual final quest) surpass oblivion imo. The oblivion final quest is cool but considering that, aside from pickpocketing, every "thief" quest is super boring, makes me not give a shit about "thive points" wich makes skyrim better
@@pedrovilar6123 NO
@@pedrovilar6123 Can you explain what bores you about the Thieves' Guild quests in Oblivion? I found a majority of them to be exhilarating, the fear of being caught and always felt epic when I pulled them off.
@@pedrovilar6123 😅🤣🤣🤣🙈
Edit: So thieves in Skyrim depend on _luck,_ but thieves in Oblivion have actual skills? 🤔
I forgot how charming of a character Amusei was. We can talk about gameplay but really I think it was the personalities of NPCs that made me love Oblivion. Id put Springheel Jack or Lucien LaChance against any character from Skyrim.
Amusei was one of my favorites. I loved rescuing that inept thief. I agree totally. Tons of unique NPC's in Oblivion each with distinct personalities. Glathir, Dar-Ma, Mi-raaj-Dar, even innkeepers and merchants. The Dark Elf merchant that asks you about the fine for necrophilia and the other one that runs a Dark Elf bar where spitting and cursing are allowed. And half the male Wood Elves are more than a little off. So is Big Head for that matter. LOL.
"These fences are people who buy stolen goods from you" I'm so glad Fudgemuppet never fail to enlighten us. I thought they were structures enclosing areas.
I was surprised English has special term for that. In my language they are called "buyers of stolen things".
I loved the Skyrim thieves guild quest line, but Oblivion has a better "thieves" guild. What Skyrim needed was an awesome heist at the end. After you become guild master, after you restore the guild to power. One massive heist that would shake the empire to it's core. It just felt empty after you restore the guild. It would be like the Dark Brotherhood ending after you find the Dawnguard sanctuary. Killing the Emperor makes that quest line amazing. You steal a fricken Elder Scroll in Oblivion. We needed something like that in Skyrim.
Would it make sense when most factions barely have resources, are on the brink of collapse and need to start recovery in Skyrim? The whole theme seems to be that the country is in poor condition due to conflict and poor management after the death of Tryogg.
Oblivion's >>> Skyrim's
It's no brainer. No forced dialogue with Brynjolf. No Karliah and her stupid plot arrow. No Mercer the complete clown. No Maven the local crime boss.
I hate forced questlines in skyrim in general. Even dawnguard n dragonborn. Yeah i get the vampire/cultist attacks are more realistic but doesnt that contradict the whole nothing happens till YOU stroll in. For the next game I hope they just have it be like talking to an inkeep or a passing npc will comment on a guild to initiate seeking out that questline
@@CanadianBlaze137 Yeah that level requirement in Dawnguard is pretty stupid. Level 10 is way too low especially when you're up against powerful vampires. Pray to Talos that there are no vampires attacks in the cities at night.
Cultists are pussies. If you can kill the frost troll in High Hrothgar, then they're piece of cake.
@@l0remipsum991
Here's what grinds my gear: Hey , we are vampires that'll get more blood by keeping the prey alive.... Nah , let's just kill them.
@@shadowstrider5033 "Maybe the clans have it right. Hunting is so chancy. Why not keep a few thralls. Blood whenever we need it."
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Skyrim had a better first half for me. Rather than feeling like some Robin Hood knock-off, I was a cold-blooded and greedy thug whose only concern was the weight of his coin purse. But then it devolved into dungeon delving that was exactly like every other quest in the game, it had some bullshit religious element that was very jarring considering the first half of the quest, and also making me sell my soul to a Daedric Prince to defeat Mercer? Bitch, I kill dragons for fun, I don't need no Nocturnal to give me her blessing. Which she didn't even do, the Nightingale powers don't kick in until you're returned the Skeleton Key, so what was the fucking point in it?
Meanwhile in Oblivion, the questline became incredible once I started working with the Gray Fox directly. I was actually pulling off heists and clever frame jobs, feeling like a criminal mastermind rather than a fanatic. In conclussion, get the tone of the first half of Skyrim where I play as a thug rather than a goody two-shoes, but give me the Oblivion heists.
Thank you, I think the same!
@@CharlesCowart-x2w your a thief not a fucking thug.
The whole point was stealing and you didnt even do that
This is good-
But imagine an Elder Scrolls game where you can travel across Tamriel like in Outer Worlds (I.E. you get multiple Guilds) and thus see how each version of each main Guild operates in that game.
Super Sonic Duo that would be fun so each areas guild would play different depending on how your or your character if your role playing g would like simple go to Skyrim want a big job high risk high reward go to Cyridil
It's hard to pick because both have their strengths and weaknesses. Overall, though, I'd choose Oblivion just because it _felt_ more like a group for thieves.
"Argonian torture chamber, which is really cool" -Michael
So Skyrims Guild is in some way a representation of the biggest part of the game: Interesting Characters, intriguing lore, but at best mediocre quests.
Yep but hey we had a man who voiced every other guard and people in oblivion do the guy for the thieves guild.....gods that grates on me sometimes
@@rokkfel4999 Love that part in Oblivion. It was meme worthy. Skyrim does the SAME thing, except not as funny/fun :/
Yeah, that's true. However, it makes it seem like Oblivion didn't have great lore or characters (looks at Sean Bean as Martin Septim and DB/TG/Main Quest lore)
I like how Karliah forces you to become nightingale and serve your afterlife to a daedric god of thieves just to kill Mercer Frey
The thieves guild quests in Skyrim felt like more of a chore than an actual questline imo
Yeah any time I do them, it's like I have to power through them and get them over with. The only interesting ones I'd say are right at the end when you're establishing fences in the cities, otherwise I'm just getting them out the way so I have the gear and don't have to interact with those characters anymore. Oblivion's guilds and their quests were far more interesting and fun.
Let’s be real though, sneaking through the blackbriar manner was fun as fuck if you can do it completely stealth
Sneaking around without being detected is where it’s at for stealth play
installing the thieves guild requirements mod has made me appreciate the feeling of Riften much more. You hear a lot about the goings on of the guild and how people are both terrorized, but also how low the guild has actually fallen, being more like thugs than thieves. But only after you have done some thieving (and presumably look shifty enough), a member will actually approach you. in the Guild you then have to actually do radiant jobs to progress. Its a really small and subtle mod, but it really shows the lost opportunities of the Skyrim base game.
In Oblivion you feel like a thief, but in Skyrim the guild feels like an actual organisation, so with the mod im actually more leaning towards Skyrim.
it’s not nostalgia. I never played oblivion until about a year ago, and I’ve had way more fun in that game than YEARS of Skyrim. Even though the game is technically less advanced, the world just feels more real to me somehow.
Right? If Oblivion had mods on the same level as Skyrim I probably wouldn't play Skyrim that much.
Sucks that Morrowind and Skyrim are where most modders are (and, hopefully, Daggerfall will gain some)
The difference comes from the design of the 2 games, Skyrim was designed intentionally to be a streamlined experience so they could sell more to the general populace which hinders some of its qualities its predecessors offered. Less focus was given to the guilds and your progression in them, quests were numerous but only a handful had an interesting story attached to them while others existed to just give you something to do.
@@8BitPinkiePie you're right but i dont think it being streamlined to appeal to more people is why it lacks so much interesting content. I think its because Bethesda just tried to throw so much shit into the game so that way they could say "hey look at this game we made with a huge world and tons of stuff to do" knowing very well that even though it contains more things to do than in oblivion it lacks the creativity that was used in oblivion and they just went for quantity over quality of the quest. I do like that skyrim has a lot of stuff to do but if you look at quality of the quest i think oblivion is just better in almost every way. Such a masterpiece of a game. I want a remake of it so bad 😭😭😭😭
@@bgrimm3484 Yeah I agree. With Skyrim, I love the game DESPITE the questlines, like the faction questlines only take away from the experience of the game.
There are several interesting huge mods in development btw. There's Skyblivion (Oblivion in the Skyrim engine), Skywind (Morrowind in the Skyrim engine) and Beyond Skyrim (exploring other regions of Tamriel at the time of Skyrim, playing as your Skyrim character - complete with full quests and voice acting). I'd recommend you check them out, I don't know when they'll be released but they look amazing, like professional games in their own right.
@@antiochus87 oh yeah! I have actually been paying close attention to all of those mods and have played beyond skyrim bruma, the beyond skyrim teams have also said they are moving along quicker than expected which is awesome and i absolutely cant wait for skyblivion and skywind because i actually never played morrowind
Oblivion: Hear about the Thieves Guild from the locals, find their meeting place, and actually prove your skill as a thief in order to join.
Skyrim: Hey you, complete and utter stranger, wanna join the Thieves Guild? I mean, you _just_ failed the little test I for some reason gave to you, but hey, you'll make an excellent thief!
Oblivion's is better in every single way. You actually have to be sneaky and you know, a thief. The quests and the heists are so much more memorable, including stealing an Elder Scroll! And when you finally become the new Gray Fox, it feels like you earned that position after countless hours of hard, memorable work. And people actually respect you.
Skyrim's ''Thieves'' Guild is absolutely pathetic. You could complete the whole quest line by running around and beating people up with a two handed battleaxe. There's no accomplishment, no memorable quests or heists. Hell, there aren't even any heists anymore, it's just the same repetitive ''Go here and click on this book, or steal this urn'', over and over and over again. And once you actually reach the rank of Guild Master, it honestly feels like you didn't deserve it, and people still treat you like you just stepped into the Guild for the first time.
I wish we had the ability to keep the Skeleton Key in Skyrim like in almost every other ES chapter.
U can though
I mean, you can
Honestly, the lockpicking system is SO EASY in Skyrim, that it's really not necessary. Skyrim is already too easy as it is. In Oblivion, you NEEDED that item.
@@ryguy1483 weird, it's vice versa for me cause in Oblivion there's a legit trick to picking any lock flawlessly regardless of skill.
@@garuelx8627 Seriously? I might have never picked up on it. I think Skyrim is only difficult on master locks, personally. I kinda miss having Fallout and Elder Scrolls lockpick mechanic being different. I found lockpicks much easier in Skyrim, personally.
Cyrodiil Thieves Guild: "♪We're men, MANLY Men, Men in tights, TIGHT tights, we're going around protecting the peoples rights!♪"
Skyrim Thieves Guild: "Where's my money? You gonna give me my money?! WHERE'S MY MONEY!"
I know which one I prefer, also no-way anyone in Cyrodiil's thieves guild would have been dumb enough to put all their money in a vault for 50 years and NOT CHECK, or sell their souls to Nocturnal ninja pajamas, just saying.
.....but one was dumb enough to steal the cowl....just saying ...stupid move
@@rokkfel4999 Badass imo because he succeeded. Unlike Mannimarco 😂
Ryan Seneczko still doesn’t make it not stupid
@@rokkfel4999 True, but he succeeded. I wouldn't do it, personally.
Morrowind thieves guild: Go knock off this pawn shop.
I always thought the Skyrim quests were more "nightblade" than thief. Now, I suck at stealth, and I breezed through the Skyrim quest on one of my days off. I started the thieve's guild guest line in Oblivion, but I didn't have the chops to pull it off and got kicked out.
Bethesda has always had this issue in their games where you don't feel special or you actually accomplished anything.
That doesn't stop them from _insisting_ you did something
But in Oblivion you felt special because you were the hero of Kvatch AND they build a statue of you in Bruma . If that doesn’t make you feel special I don’t know what will .
Paddy the Daddy
*He insists*
Sounds like heresy to me. Wait here for a moment, will you? I know an Inquisitor AND a Commissar. They both have bolt pistols that would like to have a "frank discussion" with your head.
Well at least in Solstheim (Skyrim), the Dunmer are stroking your ego after you reopened the ebony mine. Free house complete with amenities. Thousands of septims as reward. Having sujamma session with Councilor Morvayn.
I love how you can see the thieves guild influence and relations through all of Skyrim. For example the shadowmarks, various character interactions(like the one with maven on the thalmor party) and the surprising relations, like the one with Gloven Mallory and his backstory.
Lets be real, Oblivion had better quests than Skyrim in general for the most part.
Thieve's Guild, Dark Brotherhood, and especially the Mage's Guild were far, superior in Oblivion.
True but you could also look at it like this. The last three centuries in the Elder Scrolls have been bad for everybody. In the wake of a near apocalyptic event the continent and all its factions were left reeling. The damage done to the Dark Brotherhood during the events of Oblivion set in motion the slow decline of the guild until Astrid and her Sanctuary we're the only ones left.... And even they were a shell of their former glory. By cutting ties with the main brotherhood's beliefs they had managed to Stave off their Destruction for a little while but made themselves relatively useless in the process.
On a similar note the Thieves Guild that we see in Skyrim is definitely not the same Branch as in cyrodiil. I personally like the crime syndicate field of the Skyrim Guild. Yes the Oblivion version was more thiefy the Skyrim version actually felt like functioning gang with its hands and many pockets doing many different types of crime to stay afloat and not just theft.
And I believe lore wise the reason the college of Winterhold sucks as bad as it does is because magic was largely to blame for the events of the Oblivion crisis. In the wake of the crisis magic became more....taboo I guess would be the right word in many provinces. Especially in Skyrim where the Nords didn't really respect magic to begin with.
I'm not saying it's right that all these gilts are kind of suckish, I'm just saying that from a in Universe lore perspective I can kind of see why they are the way they are
Brian Durio the guilds don’t have to be big and powerful to feel or be something with a sense of progression. Things like dialog still treating you as a random peasant despite being the head of the organization is but one example of how they fell down. As to the OblivIon crisis setting things up for the TG to be lame, I seem to recall it has been a century or so. That is plenty of time for a return to a widespread organization with a semblance of a proper thieves guild.
Same with mages college.
This man speaks the big true true. Oblivion > Skyrim
@jurshy the quests are like 90% of both games lol. Skyrim is only better in regards to graphics, perks and all the hearthfire stuff
@@kaitosevski3881 i disagree on the perks... the vast majority of perks you can get serve nothing to actually improve your character aside from the smithing, weapon and armor perks... you can literally not put any points in any other perk and still effectively do the things that they make "easier".
Oblivion's was more interesting
I'm 14 and I started playing Skyrim about 2 years ago and I thought it was awesome but I just started playing Oblivion a couple months ago and I thought It was much better than Skyrim.
Anime Master
That’s because it is. A person of taste I see.
try morrowind next. Best story in tes games(haven't played daggerfall, so idk about that one)
Oblivion had shit combat and mostly shitty quest for the main story. Skyrim have Oblivion beat by a mile when it comes to main story quest and combat. Where Oblivion beat skyrim by 10 miles when it comes to guild quests and side quests. Skyrim was pure shit when it comes to most side quests. We also had spellcrafting in oblivion, BRING THAT BACK FFS ( I'm a bit mad about that xD ) So all in all, Skyrim was fun but Oblivion is awesome. They should remake Oblivion and make better combat.
Dude I'm 14 and have been playing skyrim for almost 6 years and oblivion for like 5 years and it's super difficult to choose between the two. Mercer was my favorite though, I can only stand listening to the word "capital" so many times
@@kj12351 combat in oblivion isn't bad, it's just outdated for today's standards, and you get used to it after a while, it's not that bad
but i agree with you, the main quest in oblivion isn't that good, especially because of the allys for bruma quest, but honestly, skyrim is even worse in that aspect, like, who even do the skyrim's main quest after the first playthrough?
I think if they were to combine the best aspects of each game's quests, you'd have the perfect blend.
Oblivion Thieves Guild? Capital
Edit:
Oblivion's Main questline is better, had better progression and better something that I can't remember because this part of the comment was written after I came back to writing it, whereas Skyrim had more content in general and had more icing but the cake itself was flat and kinda meh
Oblivion was the overall best game.
Except for the fighters guild, every guild questline went beyond the call of duty
We just gonna ignore the Arena then? I mean, I like the Arena, but I wouldn't say that it went "Beyond the Call of Duty"
@@theentirecircuss1617does the arena even count as a guild?
@@trekthehappyturtle454 Kind of since it had a ranking structure you could see. Otherwise it was not much of a guild but the weekly grandmaster fights were fun.
@@theentirecircuss1617 Well Skyrim had no arena, but had the civil war questline, I'd rank the arena over the far more ambitious but far more disappointing civil war. Far more memorable and fun, and that's not even including the Adoring Fan!
@ratio w which version?
One dislike? Must be Mercer Fray.
It’s Hieronimous Lex or whatever his name is
Mercer Fray? More like, Mercer Gay!
@@nachoxaverage honestly this is my kind of humor and I'm pretty sure I said this at least 100 times during my time doing the skyrim thieves guild questline
Glad to see some love for Oblivion.
Hey fudgeMuppet you always make great videos keep up the great work
I was 10 when I first played skyrim and 12 when I really started to get into the elder scrolls and tried oblivion, and I gotta say oblivion was far superior I’m my opinion, it gave more of a fantasy kinda of vibe alongside this yearning for adventure and exploration of the region
Oblivion. Skyrim's Thieves Guild is horrible. I would never pledge myself to nocturnal for a little 'luck'. If I could destroy them I would do.
4:05 - Doesn't that tie into the story though? Wasn't there something near the end with Nocturnal where it's talked about how she subtly influenced thievery, "the turn of a lock tumbler, a creak in a step, the deftness of a pickpocket" or something to that effect?
Yes, luck flows from Nocturnal's realm while the portal is open.
I kind of like the feeling of being a mafia boss rather than just a thief.
Oblivion really gave you the feeling of being a Robin Hood type character, where Skyrim made you feel like you just joined the mob.
I really hope in Elder Scrolls 6 they maybe expand on both of these. Maybe have multiple factions within the Thieves Guild, one focuses purely on selfish gain and power, and the other more rebellious and more about caring for the poor.
i think it’s kind of irrelevant to bring up “shoving thieving down your throat” it’s the thieves guild 😂, if you don’t wanna steal stuff and get rich then what’s the point of joining
Exactly. It's like complaining that assassination is shoved down your throat in the Dark Brotherhood or Morag Tong.
I know this was released 9 months ago but please consider making this a series of Oblivion vs Skyrim factions. Dark Brotherhood comparison would be great next!
Oblivion's thief line is much more "thief-like," but I do like Skyrim's questline. Although being able to steal an Elder Scroll is hard to beat.
I always thought brynolf expected the plan to fail in the market because the thieves guild had lost the boon of nocturnal he even says that the guild has had a string of bad luck if you get caught by the guards during the quest
I haven't played Oblivion in a long time, but I remember all the Faction Quests being better than the ones in Skyrim. Skyrim Factions all feel incomplete in comparison.
Oblivion of course. In Skyrim your just an errand boy/goon in a wanna be mob. In Oblivion you actually feel like a thief, and pull of some heists, plus you don't have to sell your soul to some prince. Plus you get a sweet reward, and for some time a cool set of boots.
You keep the Boots of Springheel Jak forever. Just have Acrobatics high enough or bring some Acrobatic enchanted rings and NEVER put the Boots on when you jump down. You survive the fall easily.
And also save the Sanguine quest until after this and your Acrobatics are at 100. Wear the Boots while doing the quest and when you get your gear back later you can no longer wear the Boots but they remain in your inventory weighing 0 like a quest item and the 50 points more of Acrobatics is now added to your base 100 so you now have 150 points in that skill plus you can now wear another pair of boots of your choosing. Having your cake and eating it too.
Remember Acrobatics is one of 2 skills that actually do level up past 100 for real effects-wise. It is awesome. You can jump while running and pointing downward and it is like skimming over the roads almost as good as levitation.
This is actually a really good comparison as both have different strengths and weaknesses.
Skyrim = Better hide-out, more personality to guild mates, feeling of progression with new members/merchants joining as you do side work and the main story
Oblivion = Actually being a foot-pad style thief, having titled ranks and an imp-ish sense of fun rather than Skyrim's overly serious murder-mystery-betrayal vibes.
Me: I’m going to stop watching youtube right now
Fudgemuppet: which is better skyrim thieves guild or oblivion thieves guild
Me: I don’t need rest I need answers
I do still remember the day I finished thieves guild questline in Oblivion.. I was skipping school.. I don't remember much about Skyrim thieves guild quest, but it was 'alright'.
There's something I've recently realised about Skyrim's Thieves Guild. I was playing a thief without much health that didn't like to kill, and god was it fun to sneak through the levels with the restrictions of minimal killing and that if I get caught I'll likely die. You can just murder through them haphazardly, sure. But if you sneak through it then it makes the Thieves Guild so much more fun. I will admit though, I like how grandiose the Thieves Guild in Oblivion felt. Sneaking into tombs, finding the guild, stealing an elder scroll itself! So overall, I do prefer Oblivion's Thieves Guild but only for how grandiose it felt. Plus, it's fun to put on the Gray Fox's cowl, have a guard chase you and then take it off before they catch you
Waterfront house was the best house, unknowling to the imperial city holding the master of combat, magic and thieving and they were even a daedric prince
And down the lane is the Thieves Guild HQ you earned too pulling off the greatest heist inhistory.
Regardless of the game, I am Thieves Guild for life! And I would be Nocturnal for life too, if the afterlife was a bit more glorious. But she gets my respect, just not my adoration.
Honestly ESO's Thieves guilds is with mentioning, you do have to level your Thieves guild rank (skill line) with a lot of random jobs and heists (more like Challenge runs), with the Main story being a bit more Investigator Guild then Thieving.
It did have one advantage over the others, it has a interesting cast that actively matters and takes part in the main quest with the side quests actively exploring their character. In the end their guild just had more personality to it then the other two because the characters had agency in it.
The main reason I love the thieves guild quest in Skyrim so much is it his hands down the best guild quest line in the game. You actually feel like you earn the leadership.
Companions is just blah blah blah kill some things okay I guess you're the leader now. Mages college is do a bunch of fetch quests okay I guess you're the archmage now. And the brotherhood quest (while is one of my favorites in the game) is basically just the three remaining members being like "well you're the best person to lead us"
By the time you get leadership of the guild you really feel like you've earned it. Sure you didn't do a lot of thieving in the main quest but you even steal and sneak all the way through the side missions before they eventually give you leadership. Not getting keep the skeleton key is kind of a bummer but by that point in the game I always have more than a hundred lock picks and there's even a perk you could take it just makes it so you only have to carry around one. I also really enjoy the random quests to go around and pick up cool little items, even if you do have to eventually break down and get a guide to finally get the last Red gem
Your comment is a comparison between Thief quest line of Skyrim Vs other Skyrim faction, not a comparison between te same guild in 2 games.
Skyrim in every single quest line made you from zero to hero a lot quicker than previous TES games, and also in Skyrim one can beat a faction quest line without nearly doing nothing or having high skills in whats the guild is about (you can become archimage without casting more than 2 spells and without knowledge on alchemy and incantation, companion harbringer without being strong in melee combat and having armor or weapons skills, master thief without being able to lockpicking or pickpoketing, and wihtout stealing nothing except for 2-3 items that aren't event locked)
For the Skyrim thieves guild: you must try the Brynjolf test, but you enter even failing it, then threaten 3 merchant, something that doesn't requires thief skill. The only "thiefy" thing one could use is a bit of sneaking in some points of the 2 quest realted to Maven's competitor, the East Empire Company, and the one inside the dwemer museum, and still sneaking is recomended only for a small portion of those quests (and not even 100% required, since one can finish them with a bloodbath without great consequences on the rewards). The same applies for the 5 special works in the 5 major holds. In the end there is more dungeon crawling and fighting than stealing (the only things one MUST steal are not even locked, but are always only to take from over a table or shelf or similar...). And if one choose to do only the forging number jobs from the miscellaneous thief quests, one can complete all the questline without a single real theft, pickpocket or lockpicking.
In Oblivion in the thieves quests you must actualy do thief activity, and you can't progress wihtout lockpicking or pickpoketing.
And in Morrowind to grew in rank you must also fullfill some rogue-class skill requirements.
In the end the thief quest lines in previous games where really quest lines that requires being a thief (or some closed class charachter), not a generic adventurer
I'd love to see a similar video comparing Skyrim vs Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood questlines. This was great!
Wait wait wait... You're telling me that I could've saved Brand Shei from going to jail. All these years and I've ruined that poor man's life unnecessarily.
I’ll never forget meeting the gray fox in a dark room nothing tops that in skyrim
The biggest difference between Oblivion's thief's guild and Skyrim's thief's guild is the fact that the one in skyrim is run like a mob organization rather than a secret society. The guards know, the Jarl knows, the businesses and people know, there's just nothing they can do about it because of how much corruption the city faces and the influence the guild has, making it more of a mob organization so it just depends on the vibe you like.
I loved Skyrim quest chain while I was doing Maven's dirty work. That was really fun. But I hated the whole nightingale thing.
We definitely need BOTH Oblivion's level of writing aesthetic and storyline progression AND Skyrim's better-written characters and sidequests for the Thieves' Guild to be good in TESVI. Great analysis as usual, Fudgemuppet!
umm there aren't very many well written characters in skyrim at all.... most character are forgettable with very little backstory given at all. the thieves guild is one of the FEW groups of people in skyrim who had fully fleshed out backstories and personalities.... mages guild(sorry i mean "colledge /s"), companions, blades, even brotherhood npcs are 100% forgettable
The NPC's in Oblivion are far better written. Amusei alone is better than the whole sorry loser lot of pathetic and complaining scum in Skyrim.
i love how in morrowind despite being the super powerful "Narevarine" you DON"T actually "become" the narevarine until half way through the main quest your just a random prisoner who is given a chance to join the blades. oblivion, your a random prisoner who the emperor decides to give his trust due to his dragonblood dreams, but you arent considered some super special existence by anyone EXCEPT the emperor until the very end. Skyrim, your a prisoner who in literally like the third quest is elevated to essentially a mortal god by the standards of the normal "mortals". like you're literally the super special dragon man immediately upon the start.... you have to do absolutely NOTHING to earn it. MY whole issue with skyrim is i NEVER feel like I've earned anything because almost all of the factions feel super shallow and you can run through their ENTIRE questline in like and hour at most.
editing to add: I honestly feel that ALL of skyrims quests just feel shallow and empty... also i greatly dislike radiant quests, it feels too random to me. and in oblivion i LIKED trying to find the stores that had the most loot in it. it was great popping into a bunch of different stores to see which one i could get the biggest haul out of. i was never able to do something like that in skyrim, honestly most of the stores in skyrim had total crap inside of them to steal. you could go to ANY apothecary in ANY city and they would have the same crap to steal.
edit to edit: also acn anyone answer why stealing the elder scroll in the oblivion theives guild feels one milllion times more satisfying than doing THE EXACT SAME THING in skyrim? like in skyrim it's part of the MAIN quest and it feels incredibly lackluster and WAY to easy to get your hands on.
i prefer skyrim cuz it gives the nightingale experience wish is way cooler than being the grey fox and u also get to see nocturnal the daedric princess of the shadows
By see her you mean talk to a statue lol?
@@zeikers nah she appears to you in the twilight sepulchre
horus 112 just goes to show how bad that questline was, can’t remember any of it and probably played it 50 times
@@zeikers its bad because you can't remember it? Hmm
Nocturnal is a deadric prince . No gender among god
Oblivions by far. The part where you fight Mercer Frey in front of a giant falmer statue and then escaping through a pipe was badass, but that's about it. I loved the progression you needed in Oblivion and it seemed more based on actual theft. Plus the last heist was capital!
I remember the last thiefsguild quest in oblivion being glitched... the guy walking down the stairs with the elder scroll stopped moving and couldnt be talked to to finish the quest. My save states were all inside the quest building so i couldnt get out either xD. Game Over lol
Resurrect and resetAI command
Another great video from the guys at FudgeMuppet! Would you guys ever do a similar video discussing the guilds of Morrowind?
It’s something I’m interested in (not sure about everyone else) and it’s way easier to be lazy and listen to you guys talk instead of actually researching for myself.
How did karliah paralyze me even though I was ethereal? Why didn't she shoot mercer even though I forced mercer to enter the room first? Gah , I hate scripted cut scenes!
Fudge you should do a video like this for every guild quest line in Oblivion and Skyrim
Annoying thing about skyrim is you're also forced to give your immortal soul to nocturnal and guard her crypt for all eternity once you die meaning as a nord you'll never set foot in sovngarde etc
I would guess akatosh has first dibs. Or Herma-Mora? Boethiah?
Skyrim is so sloppily written. I really don't know what happens to the DBs soul after death.
I swear i love how thorough and analytical you guys are in your videos, as well as your mastery of the lore. You guys are awesome, keep it up im here for you! I said oblivion originally but you made a good point about skyrims icing. Bethesda needs to hire you three for development of ES6 for sure lol
Personally I usually side with Oblivion but uh wow this video made me realize how shallow it is compared to Skyrim... nostalgia is a hell of a drug
nah
It isn't shallow at all. It was awesome. Skyrim's was pure crap and extremely shallow.
I remember playing Oblivion when it came out, I was in high school. I played it so much, did basically everything you could do. Thought the graphics were the best thing I had ever seen at that point.
Oblivion, because you actually worked through the *Thieves* guild and didn't become a Bootleg Dark Brotherhood Assassin
The only reason you'd be a bootleg dark brotherhood assassin is because you chose to be. There's only one death required and that's someone who betrayed the guild.
One had a nice realistic thieves guild and stayed like that and the other had you become a mafia thug and ends in you becoming the agent to a Daedric prince bound to protect a shrine and fade into said princes realm upon death
Bethesdas lore is all over the place concerning where the dragonborns soul will go after death.
I'm guessing akatosh has first dibs?
I’m glad ESO give the Thieves guild justices it shows how much they care so far, it’s fun and challenging while Skyrim on the other hand felt too easy.
EsO is also pretty good.
+Unique Stealth missions
+Pickpocketing/Robbery Focused Missions
+Questline involves lots of stealth, disguising and even tomb raiding
+Unique Passive Boni for thieving
+You never actually become master just by doing menial tasks.
-You never actually become Master
-Semi-Repetitive Missions
-Is DLC
Velsa makes up for all its flaws in this one's opinion.
I like that Skyrim's "Thieves" Guild is more of a well-rounded criminal gang, which I liked.
For Elder Scrolls 6 I think they should bring back the skills requirements for ranking up in guilds, which ranks need to make a comeback too btw, which would make radiant quests make SENSE using them to level up your sneak, pickpocket, marksmanship, ect.
You can keep the stand stone effects to make it easier to learn certain types of skills, but don’t link them to the astral signs.
If you ask me, the only thing good that came out of skyrim's thieves guild is the Nightingale armor
My big question is, if Mercer was a Nightingale and he betrayed Nocturnal what happens to his soul when you kill him. Is he punished by Nocturnal and subjected to eternal torment and loneliness as a forsaken Nightingale, or what happens to him? I would love to hear anyone's comments on this and would love to see you make a video about what you think happens to Mercer in death.