If the next game has the Dark Brotherhood in it and it isn't too far in the future, it would be cool to see a grown up Aventus Aretino as a member/recurring character. He could have his reason of being a member as something like "The Dark Brotherhood has served me in a dark time, how would I not serve Sithis back?"
Rylon Harmon that would actually be very neat and, if done properly, wouldn’t come off as too cheesy. Could even be interesting to have a quest line about building the faction in this region... like Aventus was sent by the brotherhood to set up a sanctuary, and you’re one of the earliest recruits... idk, just a thought.
One of my all time most favorite RPG quests was one from the Dark Brotherhood line in Oblivion. It's the one where you are locked in a house with a bunch of targets and can eliminate them however you choose. Sure you can just draw your weapon and go ham, but I find it's really fun to let it play out like a horror mystery.
"Do you get to the clod district very often? Oh. What am I saying. Of course you don't." "Bish. I'm the dragonborn. I know the Jarl personally. And I am thane of this city. And you think I havent been to the cloud district?"
If Babbete is in the next game, that would be pretty cool. Though some time would have to pass for her to want to leave Skyrim. I imagine as the most senior member though, she would easy be appointed speaker after the Night Mother got things running traditionally again. At that point, she'd be moving around Tamriel a lot more.
Brotherhood of old explores what would happen after you kill the emperor and start trying to rebuild the brotherhood and it has you name nazir and Babette as speakers
The Dark Brotherhood always feels like a family in Skyrim. Makes the later massacre all the more tragic. And now my usual question: Build whose backstory and roleplaying focuses around the Legacy of the Dragonborn mod? I think it has the potential to be interesting, since because of how the museum displays work, the character could work with all factions. Maybe someone with no morals, or someone who's just willing to do what it takes to get more artifacts to display in the museum.
I've been thinking the same thing cuz I'm very excited for LoTD V5.0 ... But its hard to figure out an actual persona for that character. Ironically it might just be easiest to not role play at all and just go raw, just like the first times I played Skyrim. Always curious.
If it's for the LotDB museum, an artificer type of character or historian would work. Maybe someone who really loved treasure hunting or researching artifacts and ruins (like Calcemo) before discovering their role as Dragonborn. Such a person would absolutely LOVE Farengar and going spelunking for him. Also gives excuses for things like College of Winterhold (especially at Farengar's behest), an interest in the dragon walls for shouts, frankly most of the quest lines. Wuuthrad from The Companions, discovering DB secrets for "scholarly reasons," Barenziah's crown and Noctural's boon. Any Daedric boon really, ESPECIALLY Herma Mora which could lead into Dragonborn DLC, History of the Dawnguard or Castle Volkihar. Nord and Dragon Cult history, especially Alduin's wall for MQ, etc. Other archetypes that would have an excuse to do absolutely everything would be your common Adventurer (and I mean come on, sometimes you just wanna ADVENTURE) or an investigator or detective (paranormal stuff? cool mysteries and histories? helping people? heck yeah) Stats and Skills? Beats me, you could adapt as you go or focus on some key areas with RP reasons for what skills you choose. Combat skills for self defense or to preserve their histories. Magery for higher knowledge and utility. Thief skills because you're a tomb raider. Whatever is suitable for you soon-to-be Dragonborn's legacy.
I seriously want to know more about Nazir. I think he might be a dishonoured or banished A'likr warrior. Maybe being banished for doing things like killing unarmed prisoners,stuff typically seen as dishonourable by Warriors.
I remember when i first joined the brotherhood there was astrid's husband who was like "oh im a werewolf" and by then i didn't even knew that werewolves were in skyrim (I started the game knowing nothing) so i thought it was a joke of him just saying that he was a savage. When I went bad during the destruction of the brotherhood I saw the werewolf and i was like "OH SNAP HE REALLY IS A WEREWOLF"
With Babette being a Breton, about 300 years old, and the general mystery surrounding her, she could very well be a former member of the Glenmoril Wyrd Coven (High Rock bloodline), or even the Cyrodiil Vampyrum Order. Both of them are mysterious, consider each other a threat, possess high intellect (even for vampires), are skilled manipulators, and very good at blending in with society - which fits Babette, who assumes the guise of a normal child to lure her prey. Totally spitballing and we'll never know, but I thought it was worth positing. /shrug
@Sky Dome there's a difference between the glenmoril WYRD coven, and Glenmoril WITCH covens. The CVO probably leaves the Volkihar to their own devices, because they're relatively quiet until DG, and a relatively small clan.
0:54 Is that a joker reference? "Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight? I ask that of all my prey. I just like the sound of it." Joker 1989
@Sky Dome Ah Born2BWild put up a bunch of flags of China. In China anything related to Winnie the Pooh has been banned by the Chinese government. A few years ago someone said that their current president looks exactly like him😂 If you look up President Xi and Winnie the Pooh you'll get plenty of funny memes
Would life pass me a sharp object as well? I could use the lemons to blind him and get an advantage, but I sold everything in my inventory to buy some really awesome armor earlier...
"I've tried everything....Even dug a pit and filled it with clouds. Or was it clowns? Doesn't matter I suppose. It did start to smell after a while. It must have been clowns! Clouds don't smell!" - Sheogorath, Prince of Madness
@@dahken417 just Suplex him to death. XD if you've never gotten kills unarmed it is Totally worth it to see your DB breaking fool's necks using the ground.
"In truth, I'm no more a little girl than you are." Man, I hope the child actress (well, she was 10 at the time) that voiced that line got paid handsomely, for that line alone is absolutely priceless. It gets me every time.
@@cartoonhistory353 I think is really neat TES has been able to keep fans invested enough to still be watching lore videos in the good year of 2019. Bethesda did GREAT with this series.
callum torrance said it before I could, would do anything to go back to 2011 when Skyrim came out and I had no prior elder scroll knowledge, that experience was so awsome and interesting as Skyrim is truly a one of a kind game.
@ Travis absolutely, brother. The Oblivion Cheydinhal family will always be a cut above the Skyrim DB sanctuary. It has such a dark, mysterious, and magickal feel to it. What’s more it actually feels like a cult with a proper hierarchy and purpose; they all abide by the tenets whereas Astrid and her mall ninjas just seem like a bunch of edgy cut throats who want to rebel for the sake of it.
One image that I have of Babette in my head is based on that fact that she is a Breton and a vampire. She says that she's hip on alchemy, but she must also be a badass spellcaster as well. I wonder if she hid that light under a bushel to keep out of conflict with a certain old man's amazing ego.
It's a shame you can't just ASK at the College of Winterhold about Festus or drop by Kodiac's room (well, prior to certain events) and mention Arnbjorn. Maybe you'd be scolded, or asked how you know them, or met with distaste, but it'd be a lot of fun.
@@princessbinas Yeah, but it'd still be nice to even just get a "we don't talk about that asshole, he's a stain on our existence." Just so it felt like these things were actually connected, and it wasn't just some throw-away line.
I’d love to see player perception rewarded in TES 6, for example when dead drops were switched in 4 there was noticeable changes in the handwriting/paper and it would have been cool if you could ask about this changing the course of events
Fun fact: you can actually find Babette in every single elder scrolls game, although she is only able to engage in dialogue in Morrowind, Oblivion & Skyrim
Other guild endings: 1-3 people die and it's usually their leader Dark brotherhood questline: almost everybody dies and you are left to rebuild again with the last remaining 2-3 members
I remember searching for Vizzara's body in multiple playthroughs, unconvinced he had been killed in the attack on the sanctuary. I still haven't found his remains, though I've heard others say they have. I always wanted him to have returned to Black Marsh and began a chapter of shadowscales there, hoping he'd return.
I believe he lies dead and stripped of his armor next to the desk astrid always leans on, being the first to fight and die against the invading oculatus forces. Don´t know how he looses his armor though.
While the Companions are my favorite faction, and the Dawnguard has the best rewards, the Dark Brotherhood is my favorite questline. I know some people think the guild questlines in Skyrim are more watered down than those of the other games (and they're not necessarily wrong), but as far as Skyrim itself is concerned the quests for the Dark Brotherhood are by far the best written and paced.
Hey! Man, I wish you would do more Oblivion content, it's an untapped game. However, I've seen the stuff you've done for Oblivion and it's really good. But I would like to see character builds and stuff like that. Thanks!
I personally think that the night mother being mephala is bs. It has never been explicitly stated or even hinted. Plus it pains me that the assassin guild that I've come to love and respect is just bunch of idiots following a lie.
@@32gigs96 but that doesn't prove anything imo. It is not even hinted at. I mean for every theory there is some solid evidence right. For example "dovahkiin maybe shor" because you can sit on his throne, the ghost sees you as talos and you can leave the hall of valor with 3 other heroes when shor himself had forbidden it. But this theory has no evidence. I think this has more to do with nostalgia in the community for the morag tong which I totally get.
The wrath of Sithis is in oblivion as well. I think the night mother being mephala is perfect. It makes sense with their connection to the morag tong, who worship her. I don’t think they’re idiots following a lie, they’re the only ones she’s probably honest with. For all we know, she truly incarnated physically in a woman to birth her own order. Why couldn’t p she possess, or influence, someone?
I know it wouldn't go well, but Astrid has gotten me since the very first time I played Skyrim. Even though she's married to Arnbjorn, she always sounds like she's flirting when you talk to her...which is probably by design to make you more compliant, but still.
Yeah no I totally get it. I call her Astrid the Betrayer and berate her a lot for what she did to the Family (I'm a *huge* Dark Brotherhood fan) but she does have a very sharp and macabre seduction about her. As far as that goes it's just a shame she turned out that way.
One thing I want from the Dark Brotherhood of TES 6 -- a rise in influence and numbers instead of a fall. Perhaps the transition from a skeletal Night Mother in Oblivion to a mummified corpse in Skyrim means she is returning for some prophecy. To renew her vows with Sithis, kill 5 more children.
Also, if the Last Dragonborn is a werewolf when they join the Dark Brotherhood, they have a unique lines of dialogue with Arnbjorn, remarking that you are "moonborn, you are wolf." and hopes you have better luck with them than he did.
"I once took a seaside stroll, on a moonlit night, and discovered a unicorn (should be "an". Phonetic writing doesn't include subtitles)... which I proceeded to stab in the throat with a crochet needle". So it wasn't Voldemort drinking the Unicorn's blood. It was Gabriella.
For some reason RUclips has been unsubbing me from people i watch all the time. Happened just a few minutes ago with y'all at FudgeMuppet. Made sure to resub though~
I enjoy the dark brotherhood, it's one of the best stories in elder scrolls, I can't wait for tes6 to see yet another amazing chapter in the story of sithis.
When I first played Skyrim I hated cisero cause I found him creepy and weird. But then I learnt more about him and now he's one of my favourite characters cause his story is so tragic
God i can never stop binging y'all's videos. Another great upload. The Dark Brotherhood and the Thieves Guild have always been my jam, stealth, wealth, murder, getting back at asshats by taking their shit.
I love the darkbrother hood. but part of me would kind of like a less cultish assassin organization for the next game. it'd be cool to be able to be an assassin that isn't in an organization that has such religious ties to sithis or mephala in the case of the morag tong.
In that case, maybe an Asssassin organization from Daggerfall in High Rock. I can't think of one of the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure there must be one there. Plus, isn't the next Elder Scroll game taking place there? I think I heard about that somewhere.
sancturillore dude thatd be awesome. maybe we could get a whole dlc involving orsinium possibly with the choice to finally help them gain independence and be their own province.
@@dorianrobinette9712 Agreed. If it takes place in High Rock, adding a Orsinium DLC would make sense and be welcomed by a lot of people (I´d guess). Oh, and the Orcs have always been independent in their own, little province. Someone just constantly destroyed it.
Anyone think about the fact that the LDB is very new to Skyrim, and finds aventus through bar rumours yet the DB and astrid hadn’t heard of it? I wonder how seriously astrid took her job
With Mephala being so tied in with the Morag Tong and the Morag Tong's hatred of the Dark Brotherhood, I don't think Gabrielle has any connections to Mephala
Fudgeuppet! I’ve heard rumor that Rorikstead is secretly a town full of Daedric worshippers. Any comment or evidence of such. Also I’d love a lore series on the history of various towns and holds of Skyrim
Me: Hey, Goofball! Cicero: YES, LISTENER! Me: Marry me... Cicero: Oooh Listener! Can't you see that's impossible??? Me: ...so you wish to invoke the wrath of Sithis, do you...
Important to note you go on in the beginning about Mephala but Mephala isnt the Night Mother. The lore across the games is meant to be various unreliable points of views of the authors you cant believe but in Oblivion you definitively see and learn the Night Mother's origin and you learn where she was buried and even talk with her spirit. The true origin of the Night Mother is the story of the Dunmer woman of Bravil who begot Sithis 5 children and delivered them to the void. You learn she is buried under the Lucky Old Lady statue in Bravil and even see the bones. The Dark Brotherhood never worshipped Mephala only Sithis and the Night Mother, you are confusing Morag Tong lore with Dark Brotherhood lore. In summary Mephala doesnt predate Sithis and Sithis chose the Dunmer woman of Bravil long after Deadra came into being negating any contradicting lore
I never really join the Dark Brotherhood in any of my playthrough so it's nice to be able to see some insight with a video like this Then again for the most of my playthroughs i play a morally good Dragonborn
i have a cool idea if you want somebody taken out you xan use the quill to write the thing and who you want taken out and as soon as you are done a random dark brotherhood member ahows up not a main character and completes the job or fails the job and you can do this as many times you want and random dark brotherhood members show up that are not main characters
That would make Cicero over 200 years old; unless he's a *very* well hidden vampire, he's maybe 24 at most lol He does reference the adoring fan though 😄
As I start my new playthrough and join the DBH..., then start to think if my build is fun, you come out with this. Fine, fine. I will stay with my build.
The problem with the adoring fan being Cicero is how unlikely anyone would advance through half of the Dark Brotherhood before finishing the Arena. Me and everyone I know finishes the Arena early on for the gold for a house. There the difficulty, the Arena is incredibly easy requiring nearly nothing and assassinations requires good skills and enchanted equipment to pull off favorably. I also cannot see the Listener bored enough to combat in something like the Arenas but I can most definitely see an up-incomer pushing through the Arena as a way to start becoming something.
6:57 Festus isn't really psychotic. Psychosis is marked by a delusional state, something Festus does not seem to have: he is aware of his behavior, he just doesn't care. He's irritable, unstable, and lacks any empathy. This makes him more akin to a poor-tempered sociopath with no regard for societal rules. He _might_ be schizophrenic, but I don't find that likely, since again, he seems perfectly in touch with reality.
It would have been kinda cool for the Dragonborn to bring together the dark brotherhood and the morag tong since both groups are barely holding themselves together. It could have been a really cool quest for the expansions to have us join both groups back together or eradicate them since they are trying to kill you. Idk I think it would be cool or something like this
Not all Argonians born under the Shadow were given to the Shadowscales. Only hardcore tribes like the Kota-Vimleel send all their Shadow Hatchlings. Most would only send a few of their best.
I have a fun little theory in regards to that story Babette is telling when you first enter the Sanctuary. The man she describes was actually Uncle Sweet Share from the Morrowind Blood Moon expansion. I mean the dude was a creepy fucker, who like to deliver "candy" to children. With that I'm inclined to believe she spent 100 years living in Solstiem before or after she joined the Dark Brotherhood.
Hey guys, what's up with your legacy builds play list? Why those other builds in there, and please make more of those builds, I would love a legacy Vampire build.
Because age means nothing to the Dark Brotherhood. Heck, it's possible for Gabriella to have been older. She's a dark elf after all. However, like I said, age doesn't matter. What matters is dedication and most importantly acknowledgement from the Night Mother and Sithis. Heck, even Cicero wasn't made into a Listener even though they Night Mother knew how loyal he was and how her and Sithis were grateful of his dedicated service. And technically speaking, without Cicero, the Night Mother's corpse(the only direct mean of communication between Sithis and the Dark Brotherhood) would've been destroyed. Cicero is single-handedly responsible for having saved the order. My hypothesis when it comes to making someone a Listener is that not everyone can become one. Maybe there's something required out of the person for that person to even be capable of becoming the Listener. Maybe it's not just the Night Mother suddenly talking to your mind, as in maybe you need to be capable of hearing her in the first place. Or it might just be a set of prerequisites such as loyalty, dedication, having good enough leadership, etc.
@@calluum_ That's the thing though. The only reason Astrid managed to rise to leadership is because of the absence of Listeners and Speakers, as well as that of the Night Mother's corpse.
If you become a werewolf before you join the Dark Brotherhood, he actually comments on it. Saying "you are moon blood" and how you must've gotten your gift from The Companions.
(This was a modded playthrough) if you have a Marry Anybody mod, and you marry Veezara, two strange things will happen. Firstly, Gabrielle actually attends your wedding, in full Brotherhood robes, and congratulate you on your marriage. Where that one is weird is I'm on PS4, no external assets allowed. Secondly, if you adopt children while married to Veezara, the npc children will continue to mention things about "how daddy took them fishing today" and all those other voicelines from a normal unmodded playthrough AFTER THE sanctuary is destoryed. Anyone else find the Gabrielle bit confusing? I've never heard her mention that voiceline in vanilla, but my console doesn't allow new textures, scripts or voices, so... yeah
If the next game has the Dark Brotherhood in it and it isn't too far in the future, it would be cool to see a grown up Aventus Aretino as a member/recurring character. He could have his reason of being a member as something like "The Dark Brotherhood has served me in a dark time, how would I not serve Sithis back?"
Rylon Harmon that would actually be very neat and, if done properly, wouldn’t come off as too cheesy.
Could even be interesting to have a quest line about building the faction in this region... like Aventus was sent by the brotherhood to set up a sanctuary, and you’re one of the earliest recruits... idk, just a thought.
That would be so epic
This guy said epic. Cancel everything
That sounds dope
He'd be the new cicero
Would kill to see this about volkihar members as well. Heck, to sound greedy.. I'd like to see all factions get the same dive
I think he's already made a dedicated video on the Companions, so that's two off the factions list.
I'd personally like to hear the backstory of the thieves guild members.
One of my all time most favorite RPG quests was one from the Dark Brotherhood line in Oblivion. It's the one where you are locked in a house with a bunch of targets and can eliminate them however you choose. Sure you can just draw your weapon and go ham, but I find it's really fun to let it play out like a horror mystery.
Fun fact: Nazeem used to be a dark brotherhood member, but the sanctuary wasn’t as nice as the cloud district so he quit
u mean the *CLOUT* district?
Oh
You'll be spending your days in the cloud district in the skies real soon
Nazeem and Nazir, sitting in a tree. S-N-I-P-I-N-G.
"Do you get to the clod district very often? Oh. What am I saying. Of course you don't."
"Bish. I'm the dragonborn. I know the Jarl personally. And I am thane of this city. And you think I havent been to the cloud district?"
If Babbete is in the next game, that would be pretty cool. Though some time would have to pass for her to want to leave Skyrim. I imagine as the most senior member though, she would easy be appointed speaker after the Night Mother got things running traditionally again. At that point, she'd be moving around Tamriel a lot more.
I see Nazeer more as speaker material, but Babbete eventually becoming the founding member of a new Black Hand, perhaps in High Rock.
Brotherhood of old explores what would happen after you kill the emperor and start trying to rebuild the brotherhood and it has you name nazir and Babette as speakers
The Dark Brotherhood always feels like a family in Skyrim. Makes the later massacre all the more tragic.
And now my usual question: Build whose backstory and roleplaying focuses around the Legacy of the Dragonborn mod? I think it has the potential to be interesting, since because of how the museum displays work, the character could work with all factions. Maybe someone with no morals, or someone who's just willing to do what it takes to get more artifacts to display in the museum.
I've been thinking the same thing cuz I'm very excited for LoTD V5.0 ... But its hard to figure out an actual persona for that character.
Ironically it might just be easiest to not role play at all and just go raw, just like the first times I played Skyrim. Always curious.
If it's for the LotDB museum, an artificer type of character or historian would work. Maybe someone who really loved treasure hunting or researching artifacts and ruins (like Calcemo) before discovering their role as Dragonborn. Such a person would absolutely LOVE Farengar and going spelunking for him. Also gives excuses for things like College of Winterhold (especially at Farengar's behest), an interest in the dragon walls for shouts, frankly most of the quest lines. Wuuthrad from The Companions, discovering DB secrets for "scholarly reasons," Barenziah's crown and Noctural's boon. Any Daedric boon really, ESPECIALLY Herma Mora which could lead into Dragonborn DLC, History of the Dawnguard or Castle Volkihar. Nord and Dragon Cult history, especially Alduin's wall for MQ, etc.
Other archetypes that would have an excuse to do absolutely everything would be your common Adventurer (and I mean come on, sometimes you just wanna ADVENTURE) or an investigator or detective (paranormal stuff? cool mysteries and histories? helping people? heck yeah)
Stats and Skills? Beats me, you could adapt as you go or focus on some key areas with RP reasons for what skills you choose. Combat skills for self defense or to preserve their histories. Magery for higher knowledge and utility. Thief skills because you're a tomb raider. Whatever is suitable for you soon-to-be Dragonborn's legacy.
The real mystery is how on earth they are considered assassins when all they do is sit in the sanctuary and make me do all the dirty work for them.
I seriously want to know more about Nazir. I think he might be a dishonoured or banished A'likr warrior. Maybe being banished for doing things like killing unarmed prisoners,stuff typically seen as dishonourable by Warriors.
I remember when i first joined the brotherhood there was astrid's husband who was like "oh im a werewolf" and by then i didn't even knew that werewolves were in skyrim (I started the game knowing nothing) so i thought it was a joke of him just saying that he was a savage. When I went bad during the destruction of the brotherhood I saw the werewolf and i was like "OH SNAP HE REALLY IS A WEREWOLF"
With Babette being a Breton, about 300 years old, and the general mystery surrounding her, she could very well be a former member of the Glenmoril Wyrd Coven (High Rock bloodline), or even the Cyrodiil Vampyrum Order. Both of them are mysterious, consider each other a threat, possess high intellect (even for vampires), are skilled manipulators, and very good at blending in with society - which fits Babette, who assumes the guise of a normal child to lure her prey. Totally spitballing and we'll never know, but I thought it was worth positing. /shrug
@Sky Dome there's a difference between the glenmoril WYRD coven, and Glenmoril WITCH covens. The CVO probably leaves the Volkihar to their own devices, because they're relatively quiet until DG, and a relatively small clan.
@Sky Dome I was mistaken, I apologize 😅
She could also be a former member of house ravenwatch. They were made up of vampires of both men and mer races, and also were relatively noble.
0:54 Is that a joker reference?
"Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight? I ask that of all my prey. I just like the sound of it." Joker 1989
Yeah, I dug around and it does originate from the 89 Batman movie
@@MAJ0ROCEL0T I ment to say reference not quote lol Ima fix that little mistake
5:55 Just so everyone knows Festus Krex has the same voice actor as Winnie the Pooh. . .
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@@MrGuyJacks Not that Winnie the Pooh 😂
@Sky Dome Ah Born2BWild put up a bunch of flags of China. In China anything related to Winnie the Pooh has been banned by the Chinese government. A few years ago someone said that their current president looks exactly like him😂 If you look up President Xi and Winnie the Pooh you'll get plenty of funny memes
Sky Dome well China is a communist police state so yea not exactly anything we can understand since we don’t live in hell
Sky Dome orange man bad
"When life gives you lemons, ... go murder a clown."
Would life pass me a sharp object as well? I could use the lemons to blind him and get an advantage, but I sold everything in my inventory to buy some really awesome armor earlier...
"burn your house down!"
"I've tried everything....Even dug a pit and filled it with clouds. Or was it clowns? Doesn't matter I suppose. It did start to smell after a while. It must have been clowns! Clouds don't smell!"
- Sheogorath, Prince of Madness
@@dahken417 just Suplex him to death. XD if you've never gotten kills unarmed it is Totally worth it to see your DB breaking fool's necks using the ground.
@@tonyanthony5105 Didn't consider that, but it would be awesome.
Gabriella is definitely not insane. She was just being sarcastic and making a joke. I actually believe she’s very intelligent and collected.
"In truth, I'm no more a little girl than you are."
Man, I hope the child actress (well, she was 10 at the time) that voiced that line got paid handsomely, for that line alone is absolutely priceless. It gets me every time.
I just got into The Elder Scrolls and i would have been so lost without this channel! Thanks for all the content
I envy you. I would do ANYTHING to have my memory of Skyrim wiped, so I could learn about it once more.
Same it's been a good 11yr since I jumped in to the universe of nirn
@@cartoonhistory353 I think is really neat TES has been able to keep fans invested enough to still be watching lore videos in the good year of 2019.
Bethesda did GREAT with this series.
callum torrance said it before I could, would do anything to go back to 2011 when Skyrim came out and I had no prior elder scroll knowledge, that experience was so awsome and interesting as Skyrim is truly a one of a kind game.
Well then welcome to the TES community.
Last time i was this early Astrid was still alive
Last time I was this late the Dragonborn had already killed my contract in an orphanage
Gordy Luft nice one
it would be nice to see an oblivion version of this video, going in depth about the history of the Cyrodilic chapter of the dark brotherhood
steffan the real family
@ Travis absolutely, brother. The Oblivion Cheydinhal family will always be a cut above the Skyrim DB sanctuary. It has such a dark, mysterious, and magickal feel to it. What’s more it actually feels like a cult with a proper hierarchy and purpose; they all abide by the tenets whereas Astrid and her mall ninjas just seem like a bunch of edgy cut throats who want to rebel for the sake of it.
One image that I have of Babette in my head is based on that fact that she is a Breton and a vampire. She says that she's hip on alchemy, but she must also be a badass spellcaster as well. I wonder if she hid that light under a bushel to keep out of conflict with a certain old man's amazing ego.
Out of everyone in the dark brotherhood, Veezara has to be my favorite. I wish he didn't die..
You forgot to mention that Babette used to like and knew the Nightmother and her ways, but "these times have changed" and serves Astrid now
It's a shame you can't just ASK at the College of Winterhold about Festus or drop by Kodiac's room (well, prior to certain events) and mention Arnbjorn. Maybe you'd be scolded, or asked how you know them, or met with distaste, but it'd be a lot of fun.
I'd like to see these kinds of connections in elder scrolls 6.
I am bit sad about this too. However, I think Festus and Arnbjorn are people that they want to forget due to how they revealed their true nature.
@@princessbinas Yeah, but it'd still be nice to even just get a "we don't talk about that asshole, he's a stain on our existence." Just so it felt like these things were actually connected, and it wasn't just some throw-away line.
I’d love to see player perception rewarded in TES 6, for example when dead drops were switched in 4 there was noticeable changes in the handwriting/paper and it would have been cool if you could ask about this changing the course of events
I was always amazed Sapphire from the Thieves Guild didn't join the brotherhood, given the little bit of her history that can be pried out of her.
I know this is late, but why? It didn't seem like she particularly enjoyed killing. More so that she wanted to get revenge and her freedom.
@@tiacool7978
Yeah, I'm not sure where my train of thought was three years ago.
Fun fact: you can actually find Babette in every single elder scrolls game, although she is only able to engage in dialogue in Morrowind, Oblivion & Skyrim
Other guild endings: 1-3 people die and it's usually their leader
Dark brotherhood questline: almost everybody dies and you are left to rebuild again with the last remaining 2-3 members
I remember searching for Vizzara's body in multiple playthroughs, unconvinced he had been killed in the attack on the sanctuary. I still haven't found his remains, though I've heard others say they have. I always wanted him to have returned to Black Marsh and began a chapter of shadowscales there, hoping he'd return.
I believe he lies dead and stripped of his armor next to the desk astrid always leans on, being the first to fight and die against the invading oculatus forces.
Don´t know how he looses his armor though.
It would've been interesting if we can bring her to the vohikar castle and have her join the clan once you are lord
Was thinking the same
While the Companions are my favorite faction, and the Dawnguard has the best rewards, the Dark Brotherhood is my favorite questline. I know some people think the guild questlines in Skyrim are more watered down than those of the other games (and they're not necessarily wrong), but as far as Skyrim itself is concerned the quests for the Dark Brotherhood are by far the best written and paced.
But you missed one member though that being Shadowmere.
Hey you!
*Hail Sithis*
Hail Sithis!
Im flexin' like sithis.
Walk with the shadows.... Wait...
@@isiraratnayake9491 I get it. lol
That guard says that months after I completed the Brotherhood lol
8:49 and this is THREE DOG! OOWWOO and you’re listening to Galaxy News Radio. We’re radio-free wasteland and we’re here, for you.
As expected of FudgeMuppet, 10 likes with only 2 views
Hey! Man, I wish you would do more Oblivion content, it's an untapped game.
However, I've seen the stuff you've done for Oblivion and it's really good. But I would like to see character builds and stuff like that.
Thanks!
I love the videos, they’re so interesting to just sit and watch and learn more about the game
I'm back and ready to eat murderer neck veins. Praise be the Nine.
Nine? Last time you were around there were only eight divines.
I thought it was Pelinal? Lol
Krex likes to waltz right up to his target, introduce himself and melt their face off with a sick guitar solo.
I personally think that the night mother being mephala is bs. It has never been explicitly stated or even hinted. Plus it pains me that the assassin guild that I've come to love and respect is just bunch of idiots following a lie.
Isira Ratnayake Mephala is the daedra of deception and murder. Also Sithis is just a force.
@@32gigs96 but that doesn't prove anything imo. It is not even hinted at. I mean for every theory there is some solid evidence right. For example "dovahkiin maybe shor" because you can sit on his throne, the ghost sees you as talos and you can leave the hall of valor with 3 other heroes when shor himself had forbidden it. But this theory has no evidence. I think this has more to do with nostalgia in the community for the morag tong which I totally get.
In elder Scrolls online you actually see the wrath of Sithis,soooooo yea
The wrath of Sithis is in oblivion as well.
I think the night mother being mephala is perfect. It makes sense with their connection to the morag tong, who worship her. I don’t think they’re idiots following a lie, they’re the only ones she’s probably honest with. For all we know, she truly incarnated physically in a woman to birth her own order. Why couldn’t p she possess, or influence, someone?
Aye congrats on almost 1 million, been a subscriber since 2014 🙏🏼💯
I swear if I could save Gabriella or better yet marry her she would be the perfect bride.
I know it wouldn't go well, but Astrid has gotten me since the very first time I played Skyrim. Even though she's married to Arnbjorn, she always sounds like she's flirting when you talk to her...which is probably by design to make you more compliant, but still.
Yeah no I totally get it. I call her Astrid the Betrayer and berate her a lot for what she did to the Family (I'm a *huge* Dark Brotherhood fan) but she does have a very sharp and macabre seduction about her. As far as that goes it's just a shame she turned out that way.
One thing I want from the Dark Brotherhood of TES 6 -- a rise in influence and numbers instead of a fall.
Perhaps the transition from a skeletal Night Mother in Oblivion to a mummified corpse in Skyrim means she is returning for some prophecy. To renew her vows with Sithis, kill 5 more children.
Well, there is an orphanage in Riften that now is full of children who praise the Dark Brotherhood. They could be future members. Who knows?
Also, if the Last Dragonborn is a werewolf when they join the Dark Brotherhood, they have a unique lines of dialogue with Arnbjorn, remarking that you are "moonborn, you are wolf." and hopes you have better luck with them than he did.
I love your videos so much guys... i literally play them on repeat to fall asleep.... am i weird?
At one point you can see Cissero arguing with a town guard. Come back later and the whole town is dead.
Whoah I thought it was just a carivan
I would love to see Babette in future games still alive and well in the dark brotherhood
Arnbjorn, His race! His hair! His beard! His black clothes! His axe! PURE HEAVY METAL!!!!
"I once took a seaside stroll, on a moonlit night, and discovered a unicorn (should be "an". Phonetic writing doesn't include subtitles)... which I proceeded to stab in the throat with a crochet needle". So it wasn't Voldemort drinking the Unicorn's blood. It was Gabriella.
For some reason RUclips has been unsubbing me from people i watch all the time. Happened just a few minutes ago with y'all at FudgeMuppet. Made sure to resub though~
I love your lore vids! When will your next build be coming out?
Anyone else find it epic that Voice Actor has Three Dog from fallout 3?
Erik Dellum's voice is great and i'm glad you let it play out.
I always find myself in my darkest times here thank you 🙏🏿
I enjoy the dark brotherhood, it's one of the best stories in elder scrolls, I can't wait for tes6 to see yet another amazing chapter in the story of sithis.
When I first played Skyrim I hated cisero cause I found him creepy and weird. But then I learnt more about him and now he's one of my favourite characters cause his story is so tragic
It's odd that no one in the circle mentions a Arnbjorn almost as if it is forbidden, and then you take a look at Kodlak and Arnbjorn side by side...
God i can never stop binging y'all's videos. Another great upload. The Dark Brotherhood and the Thieves Guild have always been my jam, stealth, wealth, murder, getting back at asshats by taking their shit.
it's high time we brought the Dark Brotherhood out of the fading shadows and established ourselves once again as the terror that swept all of Tamriel!
Gabriella/mephala connection literally blew my mind
One of the brothers at the three brothers trade goods in the IC market district is named Cicero. Doubt it’s related, but not a very common name.
Cicero was not a member of the Bruma Sanctuary. He was always a member of the Cheydinhal Sanctuary.
I love the darkbrother hood. but part of me would kind of like a less cultish assassin organization for the next game. it'd be cool to be able to be an assassin that isn't in an organization that has such religious ties to sithis or mephala in the case of the morag tong.
In that case, maybe an Asssassin organization from Daggerfall in High Rock. I can't think of one of the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure there must be one there. Plus, isn't the next Elder Scroll game taking place there? I think I heard about that somewhere.
sancturillore it's either in hammerfell high rock or both. we don't know for certain yet.
@@dorianrobinette9712 In that case, I hope we'll also get a bit of Orsinium.
sancturillore dude thatd be awesome. maybe we could get a whole dlc involving orsinium possibly with the choice to finally help them gain independence and be their own province.
@@dorianrobinette9712 Agreed. If it takes place in High Rock, adding a Orsinium DLC would make sense and be welcomed by a lot of people (I´d guess).
Oh, and the Orcs have always been independent in their own, little province. Someone just constantly destroyed it.
Anyone think about the fact that the LDB is very new to Skyrim, and finds aventus through bar rumours yet the DB and astrid hadn’t heard of it? I wonder how seriously astrid took her job
With Mephala being so tied in with the Morag Tong and the Morag Tong's hatred of the Dark Brotherhood, I don't think Gabrielle has any connections to Mephala
Fudgeuppet! I’ve heard rumor that Rorikstead is secretly a town full of Daedric worshippers. Any comment or evidence of such. Also I’d love a lore series on the history of various towns and holds of Skyrim
Cicero protects Mother. ONLY CICERO!
Me: Hey, Goofball!
Cicero: YES, LISTENER!
Me: Marry me...
Cicero: Oooh Listener! Can't you see that's impossible???
Me: ...so you wish to invoke the wrath of Sithis, do you...
Cicero brother is Aerin and their father's General Tullius
"Outright bat-shit"
A new cuss word to use 😂😂😂😂
Important to note you go on in the beginning about Mephala but Mephala isnt the Night Mother. The lore across the games is meant to be various unreliable points of views of the authors you cant believe but in Oblivion you definitively see and learn the Night Mother's origin and you learn where she was buried and even talk with her spirit. The true origin of the Night Mother is the story of the Dunmer woman of Bravil who begot Sithis 5 children and delivered them to the void. You learn she is buried under the Lucky Old Lady statue in Bravil and even see the bones. The Dark Brotherhood never worshipped Mephala only Sithis and the Night Mother, you are confusing Morag Tong lore with Dark Brotherhood lore. In summary Mephala doesnt predate Sithis and Sithis chose the Dunmer woman of Bravil long after Deadra came into being negating any contradicting lore
I never really join the Dark Brotherhood in any of my playthrough so it's nice to be able to see some insight with a video like this
Then again for the most of my playthroughs i play a morally good Dragonborn
i have a cool idea if you want somebody taken out you xan use the quill to write the thing and who you want taken out and as soon as you are done a random dark brotherhood member ahows up not a main character and completes the job or fails the job and you can do this as many times you want and random dark brotherhood members show up that are not main characters
Wasn't Cicero once a merchant in cyrodil during oblivion
That would make Cicero over 200 years old; unless he's a *very* well hidden vampire, he's maybe 24 at most lol
He does reference the adoring fan though 😄
As I start my new playthrough and join the DBH..., then start to think if my build is fun, you come out with this. Fine, fine. I will stay with my build.
I think covering lucien would have been fitting.
The problem with the adoring fan being Cicero is how unlikely anyone would advance through half of the Dark Brotherhood before finishing the Arena. Me and everyone I know finishes the Arena early on for the gold for a house. There the difficulty, the Arena is incredibly easy requiring nearly nothing and assassinations requires good skills and enchanted equipment to pull off favorably. I also cannot see the Listener bored enough to combat in something like the Arenas but I can most definitely see an up-incomer pushing through the Arena as a way to start becoming something.
Next video Falmer corrupted religion
Actually got here pretty early for once lmao.
6:57 Festus isn't really psychotic. Psychosis is marked by a delusional state, something Festus does not seem to have: he is aware of his behavior, he just doesn't care.
He's irritable, unstable, and lacks any empathy. This makes him more akin to a poor-tempered sociopath with no regard for societal rules. He _might_ be schizophrenic, but I don't find that likely, since again, he seems perfectly in touch with reality.
It would have been kinda cool for the Dragonborn to bring together the dark brotherhood and the morag tong since both groups are barely holding themselves together. It could have been a really cool quest for the expansions to have us join both groups back together or eradicate them since they are trying to kill you. Idk I think it would be cool or something like this
Not all Argonians born under the Shadow were given to the Shadowscales. Only hardcore tribes like the Kota-Vimleel send all their Shadow Hatchlings. Most would only send a few of their best.
I sometimes get Hammerfell and Hammerfall mixed up. One is a fictional country and the other a kick ass Swedish heavy metal band .
Is Cicero an example of 'mantling', but on a smaller scale? Meaning not mantling a hero or god, but just another mortal.
Bebbet is an anne rice(lestat/interview with a vampire) easter egg.
thx for saving my day
I just need to know, are you saying Nirn out or Nerd our at the end of your videos?
Pretty sure its "Nirn out" but meant to sound like "Nerd out"
I have a fun little theory in regards to that story Babette is telling when you first enter the Sanctuary. The man she describes was actually Uncle Sweet Share from the Morrowind Blood Moon expansion. I mean the dude was a creepy fucker, who like to deliver "candy" to children. With that I'm inclined to believe she spent 100 years living in Solstiem before or after she joined the Dark Brotherhood.
Love these vids 😁😁😁
I knew he sounded familiar!!
My hunch is that come TES VI, Aventus Aretino
will be leading the Dark Brotherhood
Really hoping we run into the Brotherhood in Blades, and get the opportunity to join
Get that sanctuary built!!!!! 👍
Holy shit
Babette has REALLY seen some shit
Hey guys, what's up with your legacy builds play list? Why those other builds in there, and please make more of those builds, I would love a legacy Vampire build.
You guys should do a oblivion vs skyrim dark brotherhood video like you did with the thieves guild.
Hey you guys ever gonna do a morrowind playthrough? Or another oblivion playthrough?
Cicero sounds like Joker
I love your voice and videos 💝
if Babette has been a dark brotherhood member for 200 years how come she isnt the leader i mean surely she should of rose to leadership along time ago
Because age means nothing to the Dark Brotherhood. Heck, it's possible for Gabriella to have been older. She's a dark elf after all. However, like I said, age doesn't matter. What matters is dedication and most importantly acknowledgement from the Night Mother and Sithis.
Heck, even Cicero wasn't made into a Listener even though they Night Mother knew how loyal he was and how her and Sithis were grateful of his dedicated service. And technically speaking, without Cicero, the Night Mother's corpse(the only direct mean of communication between Sithis and the Dark Brotherhood) would've been destroyed. Cicero is single-handedly responsible for having saved the order.
My hypothesis when it comes to making someone a Listener is that not everyone can become one. Maybe there's something required out of the person for that person to even be capable of becoming the Listener. Maybe it's not just the Night Mother suddenly talking to your mind, as in maybe you need to be capable of hearing her in the first place.
Or it might just be a set of prerequisites such as loyalty, dedication, having good enough leadership, etc.
@@sancturillore ye but surely in that time she would of become one of the best assassins and rose to leadership
and when i say leader i mean like how astrid is, not a listener per say but the leader of the sanctuary
@@calluum_ That's the thing though. The only reason Astrid managed to rise to leadership is because of the absence of Listeners and Speakers, as well as that of the Night Mother's corpse.
Veezara best lizard.
Change my mind.
If you become a werewolf before you join the Dark Brotherhood, he actually comments on it. Saying "you are moon blood" and how you must've gotten your gift from The Companions.
(This was a modded playthrough) if you have a Marry Anybody mod, and you marry Veezara, two strange things will happen. Firstly, Gabrielle actually attends your wedding, in full Brotherhood robes, and congratulate you on your marriage. Where that one is weird is I'm on PS4, no external assets allowed. Secondly, if you adopt children while married to Veezara, the npc children will continue to mention things about "how daddy took them fishing today" and all those other voicelines from a normal unmodded playthrough AFTER THE sanctuary is destoryed. Anyone else find the Gabrielle bit confusing? I've never heard her mention that voiceline in vanilla, but my console doesn't allow new textures, scripts or voices, so... yeah