Wasn't the band's response to Bill Grundy's slimy proposal to Siouxsie "Let's meet afterwards, shall we?" the DECENT thing to say? In hindsight, now we know what things were going on at the Beeb between some presenters and their young female guests? Remember, these band members were DECENT blokes by heart. If you don't see that, you're missing something.
I think that Grundy was half cut and had been making indecent suggestions earlier, so Jones was quite right. Grundy had plenty of practice with the us and the them and the seeming.
1:16 sigh...there she is, what a cutie :) Classic Pistols footage here. The usual scene; Glen is a twat, Steve is hilarious, Rotten is witty and Paul comatose, lol. Brilliant in all of its cartoon imagery. In context back in '76 this would've been priceless television.
Amazing clip, looks like Grundy was part of the BBC ring regarding his comment to Siouxsie - not satisfied by putting his foot in it , he decides to de-decapitate himself by egging on the pervert-pointing backlash. He simply showed that his mind set was much worse than the one that he was trying to uncover. We need Punk now more than ever.
They look so bored lol i like how jones starts dancing at the end... "we fukin spent the money" p.s. The pistols were totally not influenced by metal.. They were more influenced by old school rock n roll, the whole new york 70s cbgbs movement and maybe like a little glam i.e. T rex, bowie..
@hofsteveO , Good point hofsteveO. Before I saw this interview on RUclips, I was under the impression that the Sex Pistols were the ones who initiated the infamous obscenity, but in fact, Bill Grundy egged them on. Even though he lost his job as a result of this interview, it's one of rock n roll's classic moments.
And it further amazes me how many guys like Grundy were ALL OVER TV when I was growing up in this era. On both sides of the pond. And they were all the same--sleazy old berks in plastic wigs and gigantic toothy smiles, trying to get all the money and birds they could manage. And no one saw through them. TV was the best place for them, I reckon.
The opening in this clip was actually from an earlier series of Today (I assume it was used for the more "rock" style theme instead of Windy). Here's a longer clip along with more Bill. Don't know when they switched to "Windy", but seeing other Today show clips the brass version was being used until at least 1973. ruclips.net/video/p02UR4QEWcY/видео.html The only reference I can find of the theme was that it was used as backing tracks for "Cossack Patrol" with credits to Harry/Harald Winkler-Rauter and Henry Beatinger (Formation). It's part of the "Intersound" Music Library. Haven't been able to find the "Today" mix yet, unless they just took the cossack out for the theme and never made it a separate track in the library. Still a neat track though and some parts of it are left clean as it was heard on the show. ruclips.net/video/mj8Qi1NDQuE/видео.html Still looking for clean "Windy" theme. I was hoping Thames would leave it in during their archival clips, but they seem to be cutting most of the music out of them.
Posh kids?? You do realise Johnny Rotten grew up in Finsbury Park in dire poverty, and the rest in similar circumstances, do you not? The only reason Steve Jones had a guitar is that he stole one.
Their most famous interview - and it only happened because Queen had to pull out at the last minute and the producer had to find a last minute replacement....
Thanks. Yeah I messed up, I assumed they'd shown that clip of No Fun because that's how it appears in Sex Pistols Number One, I didn't realise I'd made a mistake until I saw a clip of them watching their appearance back on video and you can see that the Anarchy vid was shown.
Nicely edited! By the way - the original performance shot was "Anarchy" from BBC's "Young Nation" not the London Weekend Show footage you've used. Additionally, the group had a small clip at the beginning of the Today show- but as you say, no one seems to have a copy (I saw it originally in 76 and have still to recover! x
Thanks. Yeah I realised some time after I'd done it that I'd used the wrong song clip. (I realised because there's a video somewhere that shows them rewatching a video of their appearance and you can see the correct video in the clip). I made the mistake because it appears that way in Sex Pistols Number One and the edit between No Fun and the Grundy clip is so good I assumed it was broadcast that way, plus it seemed logical that Grundy might show a clip from the LWT show from a couple of weeks earlier. I could never build up the willpower to re-edit it. (I used virtualdub for the whole thing and it was quite fiddly.)
Absolutely amazing stuff. Grundy comes over like some sort of Victorian schoolmaster, and then his unsolicited and inappropriate proposition , followed by Steve's very appropriate response. And the silly old sot still keeps digging! Actually, they should have invited Grundy up on stage with them as a special guest performer.
Grundy’s thinking was that he’d show them up, he never really worked again in tv and this helped kick start the pistols, backfired on poor old Bill, I think Grundy was asked to introduce a tenth anniversary of punk event in Manchester in 1986, invited by Tony Wilson.
The creator of this video probably found every copy of this very famous interview imaginable, and then mixed it all together in an arty (some might call it farty :-) way, to really underline the importance of the event. (and btw, that live music footage suggests that Bill Grundy and his team probably knew exactly what they were doing, at all the time :-)
Yeah I cut it together to reconstruct the full version as at the time there was no full version available oonline. I made a mistake using the live clip - in the movie "Sex Pistols Number Two" the Grundy clip is preceded by that live video and it's a good clean edit and I assumed it'd been broadcast that way, but I've since seen a clip of the Pistols re-watching a video of their appearance and the promo video of Anarchy was played. You can actually hear the start of Anarchy in this clip but I'd wrongly assumed that one of the repeat airings had added that themselves.
I remember hearing the word Punk being used at the time ' but wasn 't very up on its meaning ' being only 9 years old ' I came to understand ' learn more about it over the next few years I think.
Good job but it's still incomplete, it doesn't include the "words actually fail me about our next guests" or "chains around the neck" dialogue from Grundy
Yeah you hear the beginning of Anarchy because that had been added when they repeated it (I think that bit was from TV Hell in about 1994). I've got a really poor quality version of the interview and they play No Fun before it.
What amazes me is the glaringly obvious sleaziness and sexism of Bill Grundy. That didn't bother the mums watching at 3 o'clock at all, but Steve Jones saying 'dirty fucking wanker' is cause for a riot. Amazing.
I very much doubt that the 1st December 1976 edition of About Anglia, Northern Life, ATV Today, Calendar, Granada Reports, Westward Diary, Day By Day etc, had as many complaints as Thames TV's regional news programme on that date...
Here's a question for anyone who knows - did Bill Grundy ever comment on this incident afterwards? I understand it pretty much ended his career (and rightfully so).
i heard that johnny rotten was walkin down the street and a person came up to him and said "im jewish and do you know how offensive that is?" johnny then hugged the guy and said "i love you"
2016 ... Just now I saw. I heard about it on the 2nd Dec 1976 at school. I can't understand the word that shipwreck Bundy is asking John Lydon to repeat. I know he claims the word was "shit" but I can't make out what he says.
@yianni1071 Pretty sure he's being ironic with that comment. As if to say, "and you thought the Stones were degenerates. Wait until you see this bunch!"
Malcolm McClaren was apparently worried in advance of this interview.....because to quote the producer...."Grundy seemed more of a Punk Rocker than his band were"....the guy flushed his job and career straight down the toilet with this behaviour.....despite the best efforts of Glen Matlock et al to explain why he acted this way....it's still quite inexplicable.....
"Sid`s idea of fun was taking drugs with Nancy. My idea of fun was taking drugs with anyone but her. Sid`s drugs were the hard-core stuff. I was just speeding." So i guess he did do some drugs...
Your video may include the following copyrighted content: "Sex pistols interview - Today Show - Thames television", visual content administered by: Fremantle International Yeah thanks for that youtube. Fremantle is an Australian company and their Grundy is Reg Grundy. Not the same guy. RUclips asses.
🤣🤣🤣 I never get bored of seeing that. The very best interview of a band EVER in the history of music.
That was the first time I've seen the complete interview - I love the dancing at the end. Great job on the restoration!
Bill Grundy's 'Oh Shit' at the end of that says it all really.
I was 7 when this was broadcast....still cracks me up even now, and I'm 38!
Nice Work, well put together, This interview still puts a smile on my face even today, some 30years later.
Steve is so sassy in this interview, I love it. And the end when he gets up and dances haha
Orson T M Thank you for this clip. it's more historic than some may realize!
Love how they dance to the theme music
at the end. You can't get much more punk than that.
That music is actually an instrumental version of Windy by an American group called The Association.
Their bass player was Glenn Matlock at that time, Sid hadn't joined the band yet.
Not the nice clean rolling stones? What clean rolling stones
He's being sarcastic.
Wasn't the band's response to Bill Grundy's slimy proposal to Siouxsie "Let's meet afterwards, shall we?" the DECENT thing to say? In hindsight, now we know what things were going on at the Beeb between some presenters and their young female guests?
Remember, these band members were DECENT blokes by heart. If you don't see that, you're missing something.
It's completely the right reaction to a sleazy drunk man hitting on women half his age on his own TV show
This wasn't filmed at the BBC, it was at Thames Television
do you really think grundy was making a serious play for siouxsie on air?.....the whole thing was sabre rattling ...old vs new generation.
Good kids, dirt poor, having a good time.
I think that Grundy was half cut and had been making indecent suggestions earlier, so Jones was quite right. Grundy had plenty of practice with the us and the them and the seeming.
superb edit! thanks for this
Had to laugh at Grundy's comment 'The clean Rolling Stones' They were more off their heads on drink and drugs at this time than the pistols were!!!
Great outro music. Sounds like a cheesey synthesizer version of Windy by The Association.
Good edit version , thanks! New clip just uploaded to Wonka tv
1:16 sigh...there she is, what a cutie :) Classic Pistols footage here. The usual scene; Glen is a twat, Steve is hilarious, Rotten is witty and Paul comatose, lol. Brilliant in all of its cartoon imagery. In context back in '76 this would've been priceless television.
This was the golden age of TV ' absorbed in Seventies grittiness ' like a few shows at the time ' the Sweeney being one.
Steve's dance at the end! Such a moron, I love him. Haha
reminds of of the Young Ones University Challenge episode
The theme tune to the programme is an instrumental version of 'Windy' by The Association!
...The Association's ' Windy " is the closing theme!
check out Steves SEXY dance at the end........oh,Im dieeeeing hahahaha
Classic! Grundy..what a sleaze! Love Siouxsie Sioux!!
Recall the Banshees ' the group/band she soon went onto have success with.
Amazing clip, looks like Grundy was part of the BBC ring regarding his comment to Siouxsie - not satisfied by putting his foot in it , he decides to de-decapitate himself by egging on the pervert-pointing backlash. He simply showed that his mind set was much worse than the one that he was trying to uncover. We need Punk now more than ever.
Fucking cracking interview, this. Just brilliant.
I love this imterview...great job putting the pieces tohether
john sells butter now on adverts,fuckin anarchy to the end
They look so bored lol i like how jones starts dancing at the end... "we fukin spent the money" p.s. The pistols were totally not influenced by metal.. They were more influenced by old school rock n roll, the whole new york 70s cbgbs movement and maybe like a little glam i.e. T rex, bowie..
Les New York Dolls aussi.
@hofsteveO , Good point hofsteveO. Before I saw this interview on RUclips, I was under the impression that the Sex Pistols were the ones who initiated the infamous obscenity, but in fact, Bill Grundy egged them on. Even though he lost his job as a result of this interview, it's one of rock n roll's classic moments.
Oh my God.. thats siouxie sioux!! this is gem man.. great post!!!
And it further amazes me how many guys like Grundy were ALL OVER TV when I was growing up in this era. On both sides of the pond. And they were all the same--sleazy old berks in plastic wigs and gigantic toothy smiles, trying to get all the money and birds they could manage. And no one saw through them. TV was the best place for them, I reckon.
The sex pistols are legend :)
Has anyone ever found a copy of this version of 'Windy?' I'd love to have a copy.
The opening in this clip was actually from an earlier series of Today (I assume it was used for the more "rock" style theme instead of Windy). Here's a longer clip along with more Bill. Don't know when they switched to "Windy", but seeing other Today show clips the brass version was being used until at least 1973.
ruclips.net/video/p02UR4QEWcY/видео.html
The only reference I can find of the theme was that it was used as backing tracks for "Cossack Patrol" with credits to Harry/Harald Winkler-Rauter and Henry Beatinger (Formation). It's part of the "Intersound" Music Library. Haven't been able to find the "Today" mix yet, unless they just took the cossack out for the theme and never made it a separate track in the library. Still a neat track though and some parts of it are left clean as it was heard on the show.
ruclips.net/video/mj8Qi1NDQuE/видео.html
Still looking for clean "Windy" theme. I was hoping Thames would leave it in during their archival clips, but they seem to be cutting most of the music out of them.
When posh kids nervously swearing on TV was enough to inspire a generation.
theyve never been posh
Posh!?! Do you even know who the pistols were?
Posh kids?? You do realise Johnny Rotten grew up in Finsbury Park in dire poverty, and the rest in similar circumstances, do you not? The only reason Steve Jones had a guitar is that he stole one.
Their most famous interview - and it only happened because Queen had to pull out at the last minute and the producer had to find a last minute replacement....
THANK YOU ORSON , YOU MAGNIFICENT !! :)
"The 2 minutes that scared England", "The Filth and the Fury".
Scared? I was 19 and yawned. I'm still here, they're not. Sillly, childish and, to be frank, stupid children. Bless
The pre Thatcher years were the best.
THANK YOU!!!
Thanks. Yeah I messed up, I assumed they'd shown that clip of No Fun because that's how it appears in Sex Pistols Number One, I didn't realise I'd made a mistake until I saw a clip of them watching their appearance back on video and you can see that the Anarchy vid was shown.
Nicely edited! By the way - the original performance shot was "Anarchy" from BBC's "Young Nation" not the London Weekend Show footage you've used. Additionally, the group had a small clip at the beginning of the Today show- but as you say, no one seems to have a copy (I saw it originally in 76 and have still to recover! x
Thanks. Yeah I realised some time after I'd done it that I'd used the wrong song clip. (I realised because there's a video somewhere that shows them rewatching a video of their appearance and you can see the correct video in the clip). I made the mistake because it appears that way in Sex Pistols Number One and the edit between No Fun and the Grundy clip is so good I assumed it was broadcast that way, plus it seemed logical that Grundy might show a clip from the LWT show from a couple of weeks earlier. I could never build up the willpower to re-edit it. (I used virtualdub for the whole thing and it was quite fiddly.)
what happened in the clip?
Absolutely amazing stuff. Grundy comes over like some sort of Victorian schoolmaster, and then his unsolicited and inappropriate proposition , followed by Steve's very appropriate response. And the silly old sot still keeps digging! Actually, they should have invited Grundy up on stage with them as a special guest performer.
Sad, sad, inconsequential litle silly children.
Grundy’s thinking was that he’d show them up, he never really worked again in tv and this helped kick start the pistols, backfired on poor old Bill, I think Grundy was asked to introduce a tenth anniversary of punk event in Manchester in 1986, invited by Tony Wilson.
I giggled at the people pushing each other.
love it!
The creator of this video probably found every copy of this very famous interview imaginable, and then mixed it all together in an arty (some might call it farty :-) way, to really underline the importance of the event.
(and btw, that live music footage suggests that Bill Grundy and his team probably knew exactly what they were doing, at all the time :-)
Yeah I cut it together to reconstruct the full version as at the time there was no full version available oonline. I made a mistake using the live clip - in the movie "Sex Pistols Number Two" the Grundy clip is preceded by that live video and it's a good clean edit and I assumed it'd been broadcast that way, but I've since seen a clip of the Pistols re-watching a video of their appearance and the promo video of Anarchy was played. You can actually hear the start of Anarchy in this clip but I'd wrongly assumed that one of the repeat airings had added that themselves.
love the 'shifting source' footage technique------VERY deliberate, and very 'PUNK'!-------also, the most complete assemblage i have seen of this item.
I remember hearing the word Punk being used at the time ' but wasn 't very up on its meaning ' being only 9 years old ' I came to understand ' learn more about it over the next few years I think.
Good job but it's still incomplete, it doesn't include the "words actually fail me about our next guests" or "chains around the neck" dialogue from Grundy
Yes.
thats true. but they had more of an impact than more bands than just queen.
the dance at the end really just rubs it in
lmaooooooo classic tv (love the way they smoked in the studio,nowadays you cant even smoke OUTSIDE one) lol
Yeah you hear the beginning of Anarchy because that had been added when they repeated it (I think that bit was from TV Hell in about 1994). I've got a really poor quality version of the interview and they play No Fun before it.
What amazes me is the glaringly obvious sleaziness and sexism of Bill Grundy. That didn't bother the mums watching at 3 o'clock at all, but Steve Jones saying 'dirty fucking wanker' is cause for a riot. Amazing.
why is this in like 3 different clips/soundreels?
"From me though, goodnight. Oh shit."
THE GREAT ROCK AND ROLL SWINDLE. Probably the best album there has ever been.
I very much doubt that the 1st December 1976 edition of About Anglia, Northern Life, ATV Today, Calendar, Granada Reports, Westward Diary, Day By Day etc, had as many complaints as Thames TV's regional news programme on that date...
Bill fuckin Grundy is true punk rock
It's from Notre Dame Hall, London, 15th Nov 76 (from "The London Weekend Show" 28th Nov 76)
Here's a question for anyone who knows - did Bill Grundy ever comment on this incident afterwards? I understand it pretty much ended his career (and rightfully so).
Indeed and I think coming on to Siouxsie Sioux in that sleazy way live on telly got the response it deserved, don't you?
The filth and the fury baby!
Ah, the old Beethoven/Mozart/Bach/Brahms card 2:59 leading into this 4:04
Geez, I love them!
At the end i think Grundy is thinking ,Oh Shit!!!!
If you read his lips, that's exactly what he says.
They got on the show primarily because Queen cancelled their interview because Freddie Mercury had dental surgery.
Is that Siouxsie at 1:16?
I've never seen it, not even the Spanish version.
Johnny Rotten sounds like Norman Wisdom. " Mr Grimsdale!!" Ha! Ha!
The dancing at the end is hilarious, I don't know why...
first time seeing this.....THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME....love this shit...love from nyc
Así deben ser las estrellas del buen punk rock
the best part is the song that plays at the end
i heard that johnny rotten was walkin down the street and a person came up to him and said
"im jewish and do you know how offensive that is?"
johnny then hugged the guy and said "i love you"
oh really? source or it didn't happen
2016 ... Just now I saw. I heard about it on the 2nd Dec 1976 at school. I can't understand the word that shipwreck Bundy is asking John Lydon to repeat. I know he claims the word was "shit" but I can't make out what he says.
"That's just their tough shit", I think.
+Sarah Jane Poe Right one!!!
Yeah it was the same clip from LWT show, I compared them.
Why does the sound quality suddenly get awful and loud at 2:39?
To highlight the F-Bombs
@yianni1071 Pretty sure he's being ironic with that comment. As if to say, "and you thought the Stones were degenerates. Wait until you see this bunch!"
OMG look at the cute little young siouxsie!!! XD
@beakon7 Or you have a local library?
oh yes that "nice clean" Keith Richards.
Malcolm McClaren was apparently worried in advance of this interview.....because to quote the producer...."Grundy seemed more of a Punk Rocker than his band were"....the guy flushed his job and career straight down the toilet with this behaviour.....despite the best efforts of Glen Matlock et al to explain why he acted this way....it's still quite inexplicable.....
Holy shit, THAT was Siouxsie Sioux, that is wierd.
Tbh bill Grundy is probably the most punk one there
what by being a sleazy arrogant prick? thats not punk
Bill Grundy never recovered from this, his career was ruined.
i honestly never understood 80s music but this helps..
Whos in the back?
Classic!!!
"Sid`s idea of fun was taking drugs with Nancy. My idea of fun was taking drugs with anyone but her. Sid`s drugs were the hard-core stuff. I was just speeding."
So i guess he did do some drugs...
agree
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Yeah thanks for that youtube. Fremantle is an Australian company and their Grundy is Reg Grundy. Not the same guy. RUclips asses.
"No future no future for you!"
Ahahahaha that's what you get for flirting with Sioux. Love how they all start dancing in the end, though Siouxsie was dancing throughout most of it!
lmao 'they turn us on'
"The clean" stones....lol
Keefs blood samples in the 70's were pure Class A..
She didn't look too upset, somehow - I think she was more pissed off when one of the guys at the front called him a dirty old man - hence the face...
@CerebralCrisis It was Steve Jones
I saw that... I think it is :)
fucking rotter - such a great expression
The Sex pistols 1975-1978 so... you honestly never understood 70s music ;)
The Bromley Contingent
Wha a f*cking rotter.... hahahaha
If you're middle aged and dressed conservatively, you're allowed to be drunk on television.
@ABC1971 , yeah, that's what I read somewhere as well. I bet Bill Grundy regretted that!