Concerning Rizza Islam's Speech on The Fallen State ● Najeeb al-Anjelesi

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    Link to video where Imam WD Muhammad leaves Farrakhan defenseless concerning his mother's words about Fard Muhammad:
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Комментарии • 144

  • @brolickscholar3083
    @brolickscholar3083 День назад +6

    I saw that interview with Brother Minister Farrakhan and Imam Warrith Deen Muhammad. Farrakhan was humble all the way through the interview.

  • @DecaturRedd
    @DecaturRedd 2 дня назад +6

    I agree with you brother and glad to have came across this... We need more of these profound teachings as of the difference between the two without fear of discrediting or devaluing NOI. To correct some wrongs of the past as well as today. True Islam in America is very young and more so for black muslims. However, the pride to be a black American , fearless and learned muslim of AL Islam is birthing. You represent that and again thanks

    • @jamesbayor4961
      @jamesbayor4961 58 минут назад +1

      يهديكم الله ويصلح بالكم، may Allah reward you for making things clear

  • @jalalstephens7457
    @jalalstephens7457 День назад +3

    My parents who came to Islam from Noi but Noi ended when WD Muhammad took over and we joined Orthodox Muslims..

  • @YungFetii901
    @YungFetii901 2 дня назад +6

    ASA Brother….As a revert I don’t know much. Very much still seeking and searching. But it doesn’t appear that you are proving disbelief. It simply appears that you are proving perspectives, and Interpretations. And who knows the Perspectives of Allah (Swt) but Allah himself? If NOI are striving, and doing a work that Traditional Muslims historically have not…or simply ARE NOT willing to do…Then there is no place for Judgement from other Men who fall short themselves. Give/Return the greetings and Allah knows best.

    • @MrMuta31
      @MrMuta31 День назад +2

      I suggest you understand what makes you a disbeliever because that it exactly what the brother is saying. If you know the beliefs of NOI then this is a solid proof against what they believe. Think about Christianity. Is not Islam a proof against them associating partners with Allah?

  • @shawncooper2913
    @shawncooper2913 19 часов назад +1

    What doesn't make sense is this thing where people keep saying that a messenger has to be a prophet. That can't be true. As much as you know about Islam with my limited knowledge, I know for a fact that Allah is ever sending messengers according to the Quran.

  • @charlesmaddox8551
    @charlesmaddox8551 2 дня назад +3

    As salaamu alaikum, I believe there is a 3 option that br. Rizza and other brothers from the NOI espouse, separate from simply not knowing or being deceptive. That 3rd option is that they truly believe in what they are saying and know what mainstream Islam says about a certain topic, but they rationalize their perspective a certain way. You can say it's a form of ignorance, or not knowing, but I would distinguish that type of ignorance from not knowing. That could fall more into a category of what some might call misguided. And Allah knows best.

  • @qayyaksmith3652
    @qayyaksmith3652 2 дня назад +4

    Shukran for sharing this brother. There are a lot of ignorant people in the comment section but the differences between the NOI and REAL orthodox Islam is very clear. The job is only to convey the message to the people and hopefully they will go and further educate themselves on the matter.

    • @markmuhammad1650
      @markmuhammad1650 День назад

      @@qayyaksmith3652 You have your damn nerve. The ignorance is orthodoxy Hislam, the Holy Prophet himself said IN THREE GENERATIONS they would have Islam turned upside down. And this brother shows his ignorance.

  • @shawncooper2913
    @shawncooper2913 19 часов назад

    Your Hadith says that a messenger will be raised up every 100 years. Quran 44:5 says we are ever sending messengers. A messenger does not have to be a Prophet because his only job is to deliver a message, but a prophet is a messenger because a prophecy is automatically a message to the people. But a message from God does not have be prophecy, but it is still a divine message if it comes from God.

  • @Cedric-me6ng
    @Cedric-me6ng 2 дня назад +3

    Peace
    This brother needs to reach out to Bro Dr Wesley Muhammad and Rizza Islam for dialog.
    The reason you didn't understand Dr Umar is why you can't understand Bro Rizza.

    • @aakhtab8403
      @aakhtab8403 2 дня назад

      Could you articulate that reason?Or are you stating your feelings?

    • @sylvestermuhammad1964
      @sylvestermuhammad1964 День назад

      He doesn't want to reach out to anyone, because he just needs to hear himself talk.

    • @simeonhasan3144
      @simeonhasan3144 20 часов назад

      ​@@sylvestermuhammad1964That voice he is using is crazy. Kind of like how some Black People try to sound white when talking to bill collectors or trying to get a job, only he is trying to sound like an Arab who speaks English as a second language. Look at his eyes, the man looks sick and filled with jealousy, envy and hate towards the N.O.I.

  • @hadidweldingfabricationllc
    @hadidweldingfabricationllc День назад

    If prophet Muhammad (May Allah Be Please With him) was the Last Prophet, why don't we read in the Holy Quran of the plaques of his time (approx 1400 years ago) as we read of all the prophets and messagers before him?

  • @Sagaris65
    @Sagaris65 2 дня назад +4

    A few thoughts from listening to this.
    @9:00 You make the argument that Adam was called a prophet in a hadith and Noah was called prophet + messenger in another hadith, therefore all messengers are prophets. This seems like a very weak argument to me, there simply isn’t enough evidence to make such a hard claim. I wouldn’t hang my hat on this type of argument, let alone call someone kuffar based on this argument.
    @16:30 Regarding the resurrection of the dead, you call the NOI “disbelievers” for having a more esoteric understanding of the resurrection. I don’t think that would qualify as disbelief. Disbelief would be flat-out not believing it to be true in any way shape or form. And I did not like that you diminished the condition of Black Americans to simply be an inferiority complex. I think that you adopting that attitude is part of the reason why people like Umar Johnson say that Islam can’t help Black people.
    @29:30 In the video you mentioned Minister Farrakhan being left speechless by Imam WD Muhammad's statement. I did not get that same reading when watching the clip, the Minister did not look speechless or shook to me.

  • @robertlane7387
    @robertlane7387 День назад +4

    On the sit down between WD Muhammad and Farrakhan, Farrakhan said, we know Master Fard Muhammad, a man born February is not the Creator of the heavens and the earth!!!

  • @bro.vaughn4737
    @bro.vaughn4737 День назад

    The Quran came through Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) but was not explained or taught by him. His job wasn’t to teach the message, a messenger to come later had that job.

  • @Abu_Kaelah_007
    @Abu_Kaelah_007 День назад

    Shukran for sharing, I believe our elder = Shaykh Dawud Adib is one of if not THE best candidate on this topic!!

  • @sovereignallah3890
    @sovereignallah3890 7 часов назад

    Greetings, dear brother. I pray that Allah SWT's many Blessings continue to be upon you and your family. May I reach out to you in a direct message?
    As Salaamu Alaikum. 🤲🏿

  • @MrSalaam100
    @MrSalaam100 2 дня назад +6

    WRONG EVEREY PROPHET IS A MESSENGER, AND EVEREY MESSENGER IS NOT A PROPHET.

    • @jamielsaddiq9692
      @jamielsaddiq9692 2 дня назад +2

      You should be quiet and go learn. You're absolutely wrong.

    • @MrSalaam100
      @MrSalaam100 2 дня назад

      You know the sad thing is anyone .can make a video, even when they don't know what they are talking about. Like this

    • @muridikhlas
      @muridikhlas 2 дня назад

      Every Messenger is a Prophet but not every Prophet is a messenger beloved and Allah knows best

    • @MrSalaam100
      @MrSalaam100 2 дня назад +3

      Every Messenger is not a Prophet. But every Prophet is a Messenger.

    • @muridikhlas
      @muridikhlas 2 дня назад

      @@MrSalaam100 every messenger is a Prophet… but not every Prophet is a messenger!!!

  • @CarlStone-q4e
    @CarlStone-q4e День назад

    Big facts alhumdulilah

  • @dbozexpat894
    @dbozexpat894 День назад

    Historically, most of us as black people in a Western society grew up with Christian cultural beliefs and influence. That been said, it doesn't surprise me when black people in mass believe god is man. It's part of the American culture like believing in Santa Claus. However, Christianity was a belief system that was superimposed on us. The challenge is, how do you rationalize people out of something (god being a man) that they were never rationalized into? The solution, in my humble opinion, the human mind has to be willing mature in knowledge, in terms of God (Creator) and self (creation). People have to be willing to separate the two, respectfully.

  • @jacksondarryl34
    @jacksondarryl34 2 дня назад +4

    If Allah is not a Man, then what is He? I'll wait.....

    • @dbozexpat894
      @dbozexpat894 2 дня назад

      Allah (the One God) is the Creator of the heavens and earth. Man (and woman) is a creation of the One God. The Holy Qur'an is a book of guidance to the human beings. Do you have to physically see god with your eyes to know that He exist? Logic, reason and observation bares witness. Theologically speaking, god coming in the person of a human being is Christian theology, not Islamic. That's not to take away from the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and his great efforts. The man was speaking to people who had a baby understanding of life and reality.

    • @jacksondarryl34
      @jacksondarryl34 2 дня назад +1

      @@dbozexpat894 your response doesn't answer the question! Does Allah have an essence? What is it? Why does it State in the Quran that Allah made Adam after HIS Likeness?

    • @dbozexpat894
      @dbozexpat894 2 дня назад +1

      ..and you just made that up out of thin air. It obvious you don't believe that the Holy Qur'an is a book of guidance from Allah (the Creator), not likeness to Adam (peace be upon him). Why do you guys says things on YT that you know isn't true?

    • @jacksondarryl34
      @jacksondarryl34 2 дня назад

      @@dbozexpat894 I did? Can you explain what Allah is? The Quran doesn't explicitly say that Allah is a man or that He isn't! Who's making ish up? Do you read the Sunnah?

    • @shadeedqaadir208
      @shadeedqaadir208 2 дня назад +1

      He's the creator of the heaven and earth and everything between the two.

  • @jacksondarryl34
    @jacksondarryl34 2 дня назад +1

    "... Everybody will be raised from the grave..." Waooow! Sounds like Christianity to me! This is textbook religiosity!

    • @YoungMalcolm1987
      @YoungMalcolm1987 День назад

      Saying Allah came in the form of the form of a Pale face man Sounds like Christianity to me, waoow to that

  • @troybowden2011
    @troybowden2011 2 дня назад +1

    I think you should speak to bro Wesley!

  • @markmuhammad1650
    @markmuhammad1650 2 дня назад +1

    Brother, then where is Adam prophecy? There were no people to prophecy to in either Bible nor Holy Quran. Nowhere is the Quran does it say Adam was a prophet.

    • @MrMuta31
      @MrMuta31 День назад

      Surah Al Baqarah Allaah taught him the names of everything. Read the first five pages.

  • @mdrv95
    @mdrv95 16 часов назад

    It’s truly sad how easy it is to misguide people. Few signs of a deceitful person: highly opinionated, harshly argumentative; when he speaks, he lies; speaks with ambiguity and prefers an ambiguous language (like English); he references weak opinions regarding his claims; he rarely sites notable scholars in the field (past/present); never references Q/S; doesn’t speak Arabic; lacks root/foundational knowledge on the topic; etc.

  • @jacksondarryl34
    @jacksondarryl34 2 дня назад +4

    Brother, Dr Wesley Muhammad is an Islamic scholar Par Excellence! I suggest you learn from him!!

    • @aakhtab8403
      @aakhtab8403 2 дня назад

      What makes him a scholar? And how do you know that he shouldn’t be a student? I would guess it’s based on your knowledge. Please don’t put all of us in the boat with you. You follow Wesley

    • @jacksondarryl34
      @jacksondarryl34 2 дня назад

      @@aakhtab8403 are you serious? This is laughable! What makes him a scholar? Hahaha 🤣😂

    • @aakhtab8403
      @aakhtab8403 День назад

      @@jacksondarryl34still no answers

    • @simeonhasan3144
      @simeonhasan3144 20 часов назад

      ​@@aakhtab8403What makes the "scholars" of what you call "true Islam" scholars?

    • @aakhtab8403
      @aakhtab8403 13 часов назад

      @@simeonhasan3144 Please let’s not gaslight. I never used the term “ true Islam “, nor did I make mention of any “scholars”. I’m sure if you reflect you’ll see what I’ve stated is accurate.When you say “ true Islam” what are you talking about?

  • @Jabari1937
    @Jabari1937 2 дня назад

    And wouldn’t every prophet be a messenger? Is the prophecy not a message from Allah? It’s the nature of the message and what it refers to (past, current, future events) that makes the messenger a prophet or not? How can you bring a prophecy and not a message simultaneously…

    • @shadeedqaadir208
      @shadeedqaadir208 2 дня назад

      A prophet does just that prophesie a messenger goes and convey Allahs words i.e legislation by command

  • @MILITANTMONEY
    @MILITANTMONEY День назад

    knowledge brings enlightenment. Im at the point where I believe the Nation is a form of Islam. There was a party of Jinns that accepted Islam and were given knowledge from Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH ) that the rest of the Muslim world wasn't given. Now MASTER, and the word MASTER is very significant when used. Ancient alchemical teachers were called MASTERS. I believe personally that these beings taught the NATION their version of ISLAM which varies from the traditional orthodox version of ISLAM. There were many mentions of JINNS bringing knowledge and insight to men being that these beings were around and lived and met the messengers and were given their own guidance by the Prophets. The NATIONS ISLAM is an what I consider JINN ISLAM. Which is ISLAM, but with knowledge that was given to the JINNS. Cuz u have to ask how Master Farrad new that we were from a tribe called SHABAZZ. Which was an insight that was lost to the world also other insights that only a person who was there or had knowledge of being there personally could be deducted. The Quran gives us incites. READ.

  • @rali4778
    @rali4778 2 дня назад +2

    As salaam alaikum they use a Ahmadiyya Qur'an translated by Mulana Muhammad Ali not Yusuf Ali.

    • @hassansulaiman4389
      @hassansulaiman4389 2 дня назад

      And yusuf Ali was shia. So both are astray.

    • @JUSLOFI
      @JUSLOFI День назад

      @@hassansulaiman4389 Yusuf Ali is a Sunni translation.

    • @hassansulaiman4389
      @hassansulaiman4389 День назад

      @@JUSLOFI the translation maybe sunni but the translator was a shiah. Abdullah Yusuf Ali was born in Surat, India, in 1878 to a merchant family of Dawoodi Bohra Shia Muslims. According to his own words, he was taught Arabic from early childhood, and by age five he had finished reading the Quran.18-Jun-2021

    • @MrMuta31
      @MrMuta31 День назад

      @@hassansulaiman4389Learn Arabic then you won’t need his translation.

    • @hassansulaiman4389
      @hassansulaiman4389 День назад

      @@MrMuta31 I have learnt it, I'm just informing others who don't know about yusuf ali

  • @pashanoble9359
    @pashanoble9359 12 часов назад

    Ahhhh. Let's discredit a Brother who has accepted his own, and use a man dressed as a 7th century Arab to do it. Yeah. You have no credibility. Peace.

  • @jayp3687
    @jayp3687 2 дня назад +1

    All this info is outdated, the worship of the moon deity Allah is over!

    • @YoungMalcolm1987
      @YoungMalcolm1987 День назад

      Nothings out dated Allah doesn't change he is who he is, you are making false allegatuons no one worship a moon dieta, worshipping a pale face man whom you believe Is Allah is outdated. pAGAN

  • @mudhuthanudimmudkahagadulh4657
    @mudhuthanudimmudkahagadulh4657 2 дня назад

    السلام عليك اخي. Love the khutbah about NOI and MSTA, the brothers mean well but are misguided. The NOI take their teachings from the MSTA and Elijah Muhammad was part of noble drew Ali temple. Now I do not have the opinion that either organization are Muslims. And they definitely do not follow Al nabiyy nor the Quraan nor his Sunnah. They praise noble drew Ali and Elijah Muhammad, I mean I have love for both of those brothers on a nationality level but on a religious level not so much. They used Islam as a liberation movement but they skipped a couple grades when studying Islam. مسلاتك

  • @markmuhammad1650
    @markmuhammad1650 2 дня назад

    If the Holy Quran is the authority, not Hadith, then show us/me where it commands we wear beards. It doesn’t.

    • @ahadin88
      @ahadin88 2 дня назад

      Show us in the Quran where it says shave your face!

    • @cssbureauofamerica3242
      @cssbureauofamerica3242 2 дня назад

      The Haddith actually dose, where is haddith from?

    • @JihadBey
      @JihadBey 2 дня назад

      Universal Law is the Authority. The Quan is psychological textbook for muslims.

    • @aakhtab8403
      @aakhtab8403 2 дня назад

      With respect you’re expressing your ignorance

    • @JihadBey
      @JihadBey 2 дня назад

      @@aakhtab8403 Progress consist of learning to apply laws and truths that have always existed. Now the question is, What are those laws and truths? The Quran is a psychological textbook

  • @sylvestermuhammad1964
    @sylvestermuhammad1964 День назад

    What the hell is he talking about 😅

  • @UrDreamNet
    @UrDreamNet 2 дня назад +2

    He’s clearly lying to the community. NOI theology comes from the Ahmadiyya Theology. If the roots are flawed so is the tree.

  • @nocturnalson1
    @nocturnalson1 11 часов назад

    The proofs against the NOI teaches, are within the teachings themselves with directly goes against the teaching of Islam, wholesale and full-stop. The NOI teaches that there has been a succession of mortal gods, each a black man named Allah, of whom Fard Muhammad is the most recent. It claims that the first Allah created the earliest humans, the Arabic-speaking, dark-skinned Tribe of Shabazz, whose members possessed inner divinity and from whom all people of color are descended. It maintains that a scientist named Yakub then created the white race. We can't get past these points mentioned, without describing is accurately as pure and unadulterated Shirk! Thanks for the video brother!
    Ref: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beliefs_and_theology_of_the_Nation_of_Islam

    • @الأستاذالمجنون-ه6ز
      @الأستاذالمجنون-ه6ز 10 часов назад

      Allah (SWT) is ٱلْبَاطِنُ al Baatin: the inner One, the intimate One. He is closer to us than our jugular vein. Master Fard Muhammad did not create the heavens and the earth. Allah (SWT) appeared in the person of Fard Muhammad. The "Us", the "We" and the "Our" of the Qur'an is Allah in the Black Man. Allah breathed His Spirit into Adam; a Black Man created from Black Mud. Isa/Jesus was given this same Spirit. Isa created the form of a bird out of mud and breathed into it and it became a living bird by Allah's permission. That is Allah in Man and working through Man. No shirk there.

    • @nocturnalson1
      @nocturnalson1 10 часов назад

      @@الأستاذالمجنون-ه6ز there is No statement from the Quran nor the hadeeth, stating that Allah Has Appeared as a man, this is shirk and clearly the teachings of polytheism.

    • @الأستاذالمجنون-ه6ز
      @الأستاذالمجنون-ه6ز 8 часов назад

      ​@@nocturnalson1 There is a hadith that states that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) saw his LORD as a young, beardless Man. No polytheism here.

    • @الأستاذالمجنون-ه6ز
      @الأستاذالمجنون-ه6ز 8 часов назад

      @@nocturnalson1 Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) said "I saw my Lord in the form of a young man, beardless (amrad) with short curly hair (ja’d) and clothed in a red garment." (Narrated by Ahmad b. Hanbal in Tabarani; AUTHENTICATED BY AHMAD B. HANBAL in Creed 3 citing isnad, ‘Abd al-Samad b. Yahya in Tabaqat al-Hanabila, 1:218, al-Marrudhi (d. 888) in Tabaqat, 3:81, Ibn ‘Aqil in Makdisi, Ibn ‘Aqil, 130; Ibn ‘Adi al-Qattan, al-Kamil fi du’afa’ al-rijal, 3:49-50, al-Daraqutni, Kitab al-Ru’ya, 332-333, 356-357; al-Tabarani, al-Mu’jam al-Kabir, 25:143; SAHIH BY ABU L-HASAN B. BASHSHAR in Ibn Abi Ya’la, Tabaqat, 2:59; Abu Ya’la, al-Muta’mad, 85; ACCEPTED BY IBN TAYMIYYA in Bayan Tablis al-Jahmiyya, 7:192-198, 290)

    • @الأستاذالمجنون-ه6ز
      @الأستاذالمجنون-ه6ز 8 часов назад

      @@nocturnalson1 Allah (SWT) says in the Qur'an that He breathed His Spirit into Adam.

  • @MILITANTMONEY
    @MILITANTMONEY День назад

    knowledge brings enlightenment. Im at the point where I believe the Nation is a form of Islam. There was a party of Jinns that accepted Islam and were given knowledge from Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH ) that the rest of the Muslim world wasn't given. Now MASTER, and the word MASTER is very significant when used. Ancient alchemical teachers were called MASTERS. I believe personally that these beings taught the NATION their version of ISLAM which varies from the traditional orthodox version of ISLAM. There were many mentions of JINNS bringing knowledge and insight to men being that these beings were around and lived and met the messengers and were given their own guidance by the Prophets. The NATIONS ISLAM is an what I consider JINN ISLAM. Which is ISLAM, but with knowledge that was given to the JINNS. Cuz u have to ask how Master Farrad new that we were from a tribe called SHABAZZ. Which was an insight that was lost to the world also other insights that only a person who was there or had knowledge of being there personally could be deducted. The Quran gives us incites. READ.