Well, Panasonic doesn't have an answer to the a7s3 or FX3 yet aye. No 4K 120fps and no 4K 60fps without crop. AF not reliable so far. Terrible rolling shutter. We can trash Sony as we want but people have waited 5 years for Panasonic to ditch their bad DFD autofocus. Don't get me wrong I own a gh5 and I love the menu system, ergonomic, video assist etc. There's no perfect camera brand around 😢
@@laurenthenry I’m a Sony A7SIII shooter, I don’t own a Panasonic yet , but I can see they are listening more than other companies. These are cinema features are and have been available by on Panasonic, I wish Sony had . Lumix S5ii Key Features - Shutter Angle - User LUTs - Anamorphic Desqueeze - 17:9 - Open-Gate - 6K, 5.7K - Waveforms - Vectorscopes - 2 Zebras Simultaneous - Audio Menu - True 24 fps - More HFR/VFR options I shoot primarily anamorphic so cropping 17% of my image sucks. And it would be great to have open gate for my customers that want 9x16 . Rolling shutter is overblown. I had the a7iii and own the a7siii , it was never a distraction . I give you the 4k 60fps crop though. I Don’t care for 120fps
This is why I subscribed to your channel. You give us the facts over the hype. As an owner of the FX30, I wish we could use true 24fps in all aspect ratios/resolutions as well. Hopefully in the next firmware update. Many thanks.
Thank you so much for this kind comment, happy that my honesty and refusing to ride hypes is being rewarded and appreciated by respected members like yourself. Thanks again for your support
Digging through the firmware 3.0 update, I was pleasantly surprised that, while they didn't add shutter angle, they did add 1/24, 1/48, and 1/96 shutter speeds in 23.98 fps, so at the VERY LEAST we now finally have true 90, 180, and 270 degree equivalent shutter speed now. Seems like a compromise for now until they figure their stuff out (I can't imagine that codebase is anything but a spaghetti code horror mess)
Stop for a moment and appreciate the HUGE amount of animations present in this video, we take it for granted by now, but it takes a really long time to make them. Bravo for this, and also for all the useful information well explained ;)
Thank yo so much for appreciating the effort that goes into this :) I always thought it's better to visualize the content than just see a talking head. Really happy that makes a difference. Thanks again for watching
Supposedly open gate and shutter angle are coming in future updates. I hope it's true. Some other RUclipsrs said they talked with Sony reps. Supposedly it's on the way. Hopefully they fix the dci as well. Good video!
That’d be great if they bring those ones. And yeah, was very surprised of the amount of people that thought the DCI 4K was offering wider field of view. But there’s no fix to DCI4K from what they have now, that’s how it works, it crops top and bottom and increases the horizontal resolution.
Love this channel … it’s always packed with honest feedback & intel. Thanks so much for bringing all this to our attention. ThankGod someone goes to the trouble to give FACTS & not sell fiction.
The anamorphic thing is really not required. The camera can’t do open gate so anamorphic is just ridiculous on this camera anyway. Makes no sense to use anamorphic on a cam that doesn’t do open gate.
I almost pulled the trigger on FX3, thank you for saving me from the hype. So many unique insights one does not get anywhere else, love you videos, bravo!
it's still the best all around small size video focused camera in the market, I guess that's why sony can do such things without worry about their reputation, because to be honest, it's already good enough. If you do not need auto focus and super performance in the dark environment, then panasinoc is the best option. Otherwise, there it nothing can get even closer to fx3 in its price, size and performance, not even arri or red since they dont aiming at this market group anyways.
Sony is fully aware of all that nonsense and will always cripple their cameras in one or the other way. If they didn't they wouldn't be able to sell newer models which will have new features to make us upgrade (we all suffer from GAS) but also frustrate as as feature A, B or C is missing although it could be fixed with an easy firmware update. Everything has method. Believing anything else is naive.
@@POVwithRC That's what I said. Apart from that most people should care less about specs and just use whatever they feel most comfortable with. Skills always beat specs.
I wish everyone tests those updates before posting review videos just like you did. I wasn’t aware of many things you mentioned here. thank you for your thorough review.
I think Sonys really need false color option. You could have it on external monitors, but if you are running lightweight with just factory LCD, its really bad to nail exposure.
Also worth mentioning is that in the 3.0 update, you cannot record DCI 4K 48fps in S&Q mode (to be played back at true 24fps) with V90 SD cards. V90 is apparently not fast enough, despite the fact you can record H264-I 4k 60fps without a problem. Really irritating.
Honestly, I don't know many folks active in the feature film production scene that use the term 'cinema camera'. Its really just become marketing bloat for campaigns and youtube now. Cameras are generally identified by their function rather than where the work is supposed to be distributed- either crewed, solo op, pov, crash etc. The reality is that many folk have been steered to think that buying certain cameras mean they are suddenly making 'films', but few have ever done the work needed to create one for theatrical release. Theres a lot of arbitration of significance that just ends up being a distraction from the real craft.
Well explained Sherif.Thank for this another valuable video. Sony cameras are good based on different situations but the point is why they include basic cinema features afterwards. Why didn't basic features available from day one of camera purchase. If it's a cinema camera Sony must understand that it should behave like cinema cameras from day one to give value of purchase. If they took another few months or a year to include shutter angle or other cinema features and another company releases a new cinema body till that time .Then Sony will be releasing another body and will be in competition mode but will not include another firmware. Chances are less as seen with A7SIII totally ignored. From long I'm waiting for a detailed video from you Sir for Panasonic S5MII and now they have a new S5MIIx model available.If possible please make a video for S5MIIx model if it's available with you.Thank you in advance.
I missed your content! Always precise and straight to the point. As a former gh5 and s1h user who switched to the fx3 and a7siii. I wish Sony had all the great functionality as Panasonic. If I wasn’t so invested into Sony now I’d prob make the switch back lol. Keep up the great work!
@3:07 I'm bummed about the lack of shutter angle. We can not quickly switch to S&Q mode via a Custom Button. If in 24p w/ 1/48 shutter, shutter speed will automatically set to 1/125 in 120fps S&Q. When switching back to 24p, the shutter speed remains at 1/125. Pretty silly oversight. While I appreciate the Sony updates, it really seems like they're not putting it in the hands of actual users before release.
the only real issue I have with the fx3, is that the noise reduction can't be turned off, id love to record internally, but it looks worse than the fx6 with the same sensor due to this noise reduction. therefore every time I use this camera I use proresraw
I was absolutely bummed out when I saw this 4kDCI 24P came to my fx30…to switch on RAW and my ninja just show a grey screen. It’s really looking like Sony doesn’t listen to their customers and i see this as the fall of Sony.
Perhaps it's Sony's version of a cripple hammer and want you to buy the FX6 or the FX9, but considering Panasonic is giving us these features without even being a cinema camera and at half the price. It makes sense to get the Panasonic, I really love my FX3, I really think that the rolling shutter is key in my work. Hence, I have to stick with Sony, if not, I would gladly get the Panasonic instead. Though I must say, I'm excited at what Sony will give us on the FX3 Mark II, hope they will come out with it soon. Sucks to know that my friend's ZV-E1 backup casual shooting camera has more features than my FX3. Just my 2 cents.
Yeah but the fx6 and fx9 have hardware making it worth to buy outside of shooting modes. The larger bodies for rigging and the internal NDs being a huge one.
Have you seen those other movies shot with iPhones by the way? Also those others shot with a handy cam? They didn’t call themselves “cinema” cameras if you noticed
I can't focus on anything you're saying because I'm blown away by these graphics! Only other video editors will appreciate the amount of effort it takes to create a dynamic video like this. If you have any tutorials on how you edit your videos please let me know!!
Thank you so much for your compliments. Really happy you appreciated the effort put into it. Even though those graphics were meant as visual aid, not a distraction Here what posted about them anyway, hope it helps ruclips.net/video/tJ-CBFPapTU/видео.html
I love that you include Panasonic in comparisons. I have been adding more e mount lenses rather than ef, but I really like Panasonic's attitude and customer service to video features. I had the GH5 and they had shutter angle when that camera was out, so I'm sure they COULD add it.
Is the resolution of the 4K DCI mode actually 4,096 x 2,160 or it just upscaling the UHD resolution into a bigger container? I thought the sensor was only 3,840 by 2,160.
So I have All Sony/Zuess lens all full frame, should I just get the FX30 and use the crop on the FX30 sensor?? I want to get into making music videos, but I need a camera thats excellent for indoor iso ranges. or should I buy the a7s111
Very informative video, thanks for the effort! I use the timecode adapter and have only noticed big differences so far when the timecode generator is no longer connected and the internal clock continues to run - but I will keep an eye on this. You talked about a video that is exactly about the timecode running apart... can you link it to me? And one thing I would like to briefly note: in RAW the imagearea is not larger. It only looks like it if you have the distortion compensation active, because then it is slightly cropped on the internal recording to compensate for the distortion, which logically does not happen in the RAW feed. If the function is deactivated, then the image section is identical. The internal UHD recording is always downsampled down from the 4.2K.
@@davidcmpeterson Indeed, it is the best option to keep the timecode generator consistently connected. However, in certain circumstances, it may not necessarily be required. I have recently conducted an extensive comparative test with various devices. The findings were filled with numerous intriguing and unexpected results, accompanied by the reassuring realization that the adapter functions flawlessly. Even during a continuous recording exceeding 8 hours with the adapter, all Sony cameras performed impeccably, remaining OnPoint. However, caution must be exercised when the timecode generator is not connected, as well as in certain recording modes such as the slow and quick mode. ruclips.net/video/Cn2XG8fxhcU/видео.html
@@deadendboredom you never want to discover a scenario (due to weather, or battery changes, or setting changes, or whatever) that means timecode isn't in sync and all it would have taken to simply avoid this major problem if you'd just done the normal thing of keeping a timecode box on it!
@@davidcmpeterson You're absolutely right, one wouldn't want such a scenario to occur. However, it's good to know how a device behaves in an exceptional situation. Perhaps the port for the TC is occupied by another device or a vertical video needs to be recorded where the port side is at the bottom and thus concealed. Just like a pilot who wouldn't want to encounter a scenario where an engine fails... But the more they know about the aircraft and exceptional situations, the better they can handle it.
Very useful to be aware of the limitations. Still, no way I'd pick a Panasonic camera again. The missing or limited features of this camera are far outweighed by the fantastic functionality the camera has.
So you want the whole world in a relatively cheap camera. Well forget the FX three and go buy the Panasonic S52X… Most likely Will turn out to be a much better camera.
Thanks so much for your simple to understand explanations and I think it’s so already invested people don’t stray too far, as for me a Sony fan and somewhat Panasonic because BM is just too massive bulky and impractical to use who has never had a full frame, I can sit on the fence and wait until Sony implements it’s new T sensor into it’s newer models and see what it looks like and then decide between the 2 It all comes down to personal preferences in the end and trying to invent something new as in your own look ( lut ) for me and there’s more than one way to achieve that 😊❤
Awesome video and very good points. Can’t believe the 180 degree shutter is not included in 3.0! By the way I love your animations! Do you use a specific software for these ? 😊
Jippi, a new DPJ video! 1st off, adding shutter angle are more complex than you think, as I have been told , -Its “baked” into driving of the firmware where have the ability to adjust/force hardware to right mode. If you can’t get the hardware to sync with one fps mode, as 23,98 its never going work It cant’t be easy added afterwards as I understand it.
@@THEDPJOURNEY agree, shutter angle 📐 is a key feature. My guess is that they have a development infrastructure where hardware and firmwares are built in layers over several years. It only takes one part on any of the PCBs to make it an incomplete feature.
I'd also be spewing if I bought the A7siii, no reason it should be gimped by Sony. Panasonic, BMD and Nikon doing well with the features. Canon and Sony peeving off users who can't afford their cinema cameras. Hope BMD can work on autofocus, if they do I'd love to get one as my next camera.
Seriously! This is the best produced and told review I have ever seen on RUclips. Your graphics are awesome and the editing is perfect! And the information is so relevant. Thanks!!
Great video, thanks as always from me. Just a quick question, what are the reasons it's still one of your favourite cameras even with its shortfalls. Would be great to get the real positive stuff. Thanks again for all the great and hard work that goes into your reviews.
Hey Troy, thanks again for watching, it's all the reasons I mentioned in the first episode, mainly the AF that really helps a lot, how small it is, having all those screws that help rig it, 120 Fps is also helpful. but when it comes to cinema features, it's pretty bad, Panasonic is a perfect example of what camera features and customizability should be like.
@@Yupthereitism the bmpcc4k and 6k have a more filmic image than the Sony with better highlight roll off. Softer yes but less digital and nicer skin tones too.
@@Shuttterbugg not a lot. It does 10bit, has native sdi and xlr, has no stabilisation, has dci, open gate and a lot of other nice features. It's an older camera, sure, but holds its own against newer cameras. Especially against this particular one.
lens breathing compensation? Really? The ARRI Alexa, RED, and all cinema cameras up until now haven't had lens breathing compensation. How is that necessary for it to be considered a "cinema camera"? The ARRI Alexa shot 2880 x 1620 only until recently, are all of the films shot with it not cinema because it wasn't DCI 4K? Just say they are features that you would like to have, don't go spouting nonsense about it not being a pretend cinema camera for not having them.
OMG… you got it all wrong Why on earth would ALEXA or RED have breathing compensation?? They’re meant to be used with manual lenses of all brands and kinds And lens breathing compensation is SURELY not a cinema feature, and won’t qualify any camera to be a cinema or not. It’s irrelevant! if you listened to what I said, it’s a CINEMA LENS FEATURE. Not a Camera feature 🙈🤦♂️🤦♀️
The problem I have with a lot of these comments (by people who don't own the camera) is that you still cant forget the is still in many ways way more practical and affordable cinema option for a commercial/ wedding filmmaker like myself and many others who don't need the production controls and layout of other cinema cameras. Lets not ignore that "The Creator" (a full Hollywood production) used FX3 to shoot the entire film, say what you will about the slow rollout cinema of features that Sony is making available with firmware updates, the camera's image is still beautiful and much better than almost all Blackmagic's offerings.
You know what else shot a Hollywood movie? The iPhone 5s. Does this mean it’s as good as FX3? Does it mean the iPhone is a great choice for film production. People keep using this example complete out of context and without understanding the point of what I’m mentioning here. I’ll leave it at that
Most dissapointing was the lack of Open Gate. But thanks for pointing out the 3:2 sensor which is shorter than the 4:3 which I believe is available on the new Panasonic Cams, correct?
I second the GH6 thing. Was destined to be the PERFECT camera until I discovered the same issue in 40% of my footage. Returned it straight away, I think that shipping a camera with flaws like that is less forgiveable than no shutter angle lol
RAW is split into 2: Uncompressed and compressed ProRes RAW, just like RED’s R3D format are compressed Normal ProRes, is just a compressed video format, but a very efficient one in terms of compression, quality and performance. That’s why it’s the preferred to edit and master with.
@@THEDPJOURNEY hey thanks!!! So I guess, there is no point in shooting, ProRess Raw then? better shoot Proress? (I thought ProRess RAW had more info so the better choice...)
Ah! The perfect videographer to ask… I’ll be shooting some theater scenes in NYC and I’m trying to see IF I can get by with a Sony FX3 given that the lighting can be highly controlled… It’s not only is it about the higher rental cost of the the FX6 or Komodo ecosystem… but the size of the files written out demanding (10?) more NAS storage for editing… The deciding factor may just be that the final product is only intended for smart phones or tablet… maybe a laptop? (There’s also some question about shooting under the theaters tungsten lights or (and?) my Aputure LEDS…)
The GH6 for the above reason is a huge let down by Panasonic. They knew they were shipping a faulty product and did it anyway. Cripple hammer all you want, sony, canon, Panasonic, just make sure your camera can film a clear image. Camera production 101
What a great looking video and very informative! Congrats! And for firmware, at least sony do something with FX3 but completely silent for same features for a7SIII, its a very sad, as a7sIII have same hardware and for all was almost total clone of FX3. And regardless price for a7sIII for 4200$ (in my country) and total video oriented camera it such a bad way to handle this camera.
Sony keeps playing games with its software or lack there off.There probably have an FX 4 ready to go with all the features for a higher price.That would be my guess.They are notorious for that.I have been holding off buying the FX 3 until we get the cinema features it should have.Don’t get me wrong it’s a fantastic camera,Sony is just being an ass with there software updates.Look at the A7s-3 (s4 Corning soon?)
I accidentally clicked my shutter wheel the other day while filming a doc and noticed 1/48 is now in the camera. I was shooting 1/50 like I always have because I thought that’s all that was available. So I think that’s new and they didn’t announce it, or it was there all along and I just never knew. 🤷♂️
I'm pretty glad I've left Sony now. They're notorious for giving seemingly random cameras in their lineup preferential treatment while leaving others in the dust. The Sony A7RIV got a grand total of 2 firmware updates that did nearly nothing while the A7III for instance, got many including introducing new at the time features like eye AF. It seems like everything Sony makes is either a success or a proprietary flop, but not in between.
Panasonic's S5IIX is more a cinema camera than the FX3, and they always keep adding things in the firmware. It's ridiculous that Sony cripples their camera like that
Thanks for your real point of view without on any topics !!!!! Sony doesn’t want to make there camera better so you buy the flagship 😢not fare and respectfull for the customers…….why did you switch from lumix to Sony ?
Thanks for the comment, I was never a Lumix or a SONY guy to switch from one ot the other. not a good practice for anyone. I use all cameras available for what they offer. SONY has great AF, Lumix has great cinema and customization features. Depends on what the shoot I'm on needs more. I also shoot with RED, BMPCC, ARRI. So yeah, was never, and will never, be hooked to one brand :)
Nothing is gonna stop anyone from using this camera anywhere they want in all cases. iPhones were used to make Hollywood films. But that doesn’t make them cinema cameras. My point is, in case you missed it: don’t call it a cinema camera when it’s missing basic cinema features. It makes it look obvious you’re simply doing a marketing stunt since “cinema camera” sells
These cameras are used exclusively to shoot video, including by those moaning about it "not having cinema features". Last time I checked video is not shown in cinemas.
Great video. Answer : Panasonic
Sony A7SIII owner
Well, Panasonic doesn't have an answer to the a7s3 or FX3 yet aye. No 4K 120fps and no 4K 60fps without crop. AF not reliable so far. Terrible rolling shutter.
We can trash Sony as we want but people have waited 5 years for Panasonic to ditch their bad DFD autofocus. Don't get me wrong I own a gh5 and I love the menu system, ergonomic, video assist etc.
There's no perfect camera brand around 😢
@@laurenthenryyeah true, just typical pany fan bois
@@MrVh78 I own the Sony a7siii, boi
@@laurenthenry I’m a Sony A7SIII shooter, I don’t own a Panasonic yet , but I can see they are listening more than other companies. These are cinema features are and have been available by on Panasonic, I wish Sony had .
Lumix S5ii Key Features
- Shutter Angle
- User LUTs
- Anamorphic Desqueeze
- 17:9
- Open-Gate
- 6K, 5.7K
- Waveforms
- Vectorscopes
- 2 Zebras Simultaneous
- Audio Menu
- True 24 fps
- More HFR/VFR options
I shoot primarily anamorphic so cropping 17% of my image sucks. And it would be great to have open gate for my customers that want 9x16 . Rolling shutter is overblown. I had the a7iii and own the a7siii , it was never a distraction . I give you the 4k 60fps crop though. I Don’t care for 120fps
I own an FX3. And I am looking at the S5IIx for so many reasons.
This is why I subscribed to your channel. You give us the facts over the hype. As an owner of the FX30, I wish we could use true 24fps in all aspect ratios/resolutions as well. Hopefully in the next firmware update. Many thanks.
Thank you so much for this kind comment, happy that my honesty and refusing to ride hypes is being rewarded and appreciated by respected members like yourself. Thanks again for your support
Digging through the firmware 3.0 update, I was pleasantly surprised that, while they didn't add shutter angle, they did add 1/24, 1/48, and 1/96 shutter speeds in 23.98 fps, so at the VERY LEAST we now finally have true 90, 180, and 270 degree equivalent shutter speed now. Seems like a compromise for now until they figure their stuff out (I can't imagine that codebase is anything but a spaghetti code horror mess)
Stop for a moment and appreciate the HUGE amount of animations present in this video, we take it for granted by now, but it takes a really long time to make them. Bravo for this, and also for all the useful information well explained ;)
Thank yo so much for appreciating the effort that goes into this :)
I always thought it's better to visualize the content than just see a talking head. Really happy that makes a difference. Thanks again for watching
Supposedly open gate and shutter angle are coming in future updates. I hope it's true. Some other RUclipsrs said they talked with Sony reps. Supposedly it's on the way. Hopefully they fix the dci as well. Good video!
That’d be great if they bring those ones. And yeah, was very surprised of the amount of people that thought the DCI 4K was offering wider field of view. But there’s no fix to DCI4K from what they have now, that’s how it works, it crops top and bottom and increases the horizontal resolution.
@@THEDPJOURNEY great video and Raw “work around” this “DCI option” addition
Love this channel … it’s always packed with honest feedback & intel. Thanks so much for bringing all this to our attention. ThankGod someone goes to the trouble to give FACTS & not sell fiction.
Thank you so much for your kind comment!
It’s what makes me want to do more of these
Still happy with my Blackmagic and Lumix cameras. Great video.
They’re both great cameras
This guy is the absolute best when it comes to technical breakdowns, both him and Gerald!
DP is my favourite
The anamorphic thing is really not required. The camera can’t do open gate so anamorphic is just ridiculous on this camera anyway. Makes no sense to use anamorphic on a cam that doesn’t do open gate.
Totally agree.
I almost pulled the trigger on FX3, thank you for saving me from the hype.
So many unique insights one does not get anywhere else, love you videos, bravo!
It’s a good camera. It just can’t do open gate. Anamorphic on this level is a fad anyway. Super over rated.
Would you guys recommend the FX3 or the A7SIII?
@@juju8470 A7S3 if you don't want any firmware updates.
it's still the best all around small size video focused camera in the market, I guess that's why sony can do such things without worry about their reputation, because to be honest, it's already good enough. If you do not need auto focus and super performance in the dark environment, then panasinoc is the best option. Otherwise, there it nothing can get even closer to fx3 in its price, size and performance, not even arri or red since they dont aiming at this market group anyways.
Greg Fraser just shot the creator with it entirely and seems to love it. crazy how its always those who do the best work who don't need much huh
Sony is fully aware of all that nonsense and will always cripple their cameras in one or the other way. If they didn't they wouldn't be able to sell newer models which will have new features to make us upgrade (we all suffer from GAS) but also frustrate as as feature A, B or C is missing although it could be fixed with an easy firmware update. Everything has method. Believing anything else is naive.
That's their business strategy. Don't like it, don't give them money.
@@POVwithRC That's what I said. Apart from that most people should care less about specs and just use whatever they feel most comfortable with. Skills always beat specs.
@@perloid Skill doesn't always beat specs. Try to set a record on the ring in a Fiat Panda. Lmk how it goes 😉
@@POVwithRC 🙄
I wish everyone tests those updates before posting review videos just like you did. I wasn’t aware of many things you mentioned here. thank you for your thorough review.
This Video showed up on my page, immediately subscribed. Getting my fx3 tomorrow :)
Thanks for the sub, it is a great camera
Where is the noise reduction setting?
This is the elephant in the room they simply won’t address.
I think Sonys really need false color option. You could have it on external monitors, but if you are running lightweight with just factory LCD, its really bad to nail exposure.
This is as important as the other factors for cine use. Panasonic also lacks this on the Lumix S line.
Also worth mentioning is that in the 3.0 update, you cannot record DCI 4K 48fps in S&Q mode (to be played back at true 24fps) with V90 SD cards. V90 is apparently not fast enough, despite the fact you can record H264-I 4k 60fps without a problem. Really irritating.
Yup! That as well. I mean this episode would’ve doubled if I actually included all the useless limitations they have. Again, C for execution
this so lit! let's go buddy! thanks for always making me smile :)
Thanks Craig, glad you liked it
I have an A7siii as main cam and Fx30 as B cam.... I really wish the A7siii would get these updates lol...
That's one of my doubts with Sony these days. They give the Fx camera's plenty of updates but the A7S3 just gets left out for no reason.
My man... I need you to review that Small Rig 450B
Honestly, I don't know many folks active in the feature film production scene that use the term 'cinema camera'. Its really just become marketing bloat for campaigns and youtube now. Cameras are generally identified by their function rather than where the work is supposed to be distributed- either crewed, solo op, pov, crash etc.
The reality is that many folk have been steered to think that buying certain cameras mean they are suddenly making 'films', but few have ever done the work needed to create one for theatrical release. Theres a lot of arbitration of significance that just ends up being a distraction from the real craft.
couldn’t agree more
At least you get updates, i have the A7S3, completely forgotten now 😂
Was actually thinking about that as I was working on this episode
It's a total slap in the face for A7Siii buyers!
@@JamesClark1991 7SIII isn't a 'cinema' camera, why should it get 'cinema' upgrades like anamorphic?
@@JackFN_VR64 Neither is the Fx3 of Fx30, stop telling yourself that
@@Aviciiz They are according to Sony.
Great Video! Sony just sucks in Community Support.
If you where my teacher from day 1. I would have been in hollywood by now. Well explained
You wish 😅
The Prores Raw issue is to do with Atomos not Sony, as soon as Atomos sends a firmware update it should be fine
Let’s hope
I feel like Sony has great intentions but just bumbles their way through everything
VERY good explanations!
Well explained Sherif.Thank for this another valuable video. Sony cameras are good based on different situations but the point is why they include basic cinema features afterwards. Why didn't basic features available from day one of camera purchase. If it's a cinema camera Sony must understand that it should behave like cinema cameras from day one to give value of purchase. If they took another few months or a year to include shutter angle or other cinema features and another company releases a new cinema body till that time .Then Sony will be releasing another body and will be in competition mode but will not include another firmware. Chances are less as seen with A7SIII totally ignored.
From long I'm waiting for a detailed video from you Sir for Panasonic S5MII and now they have a new S5MIIx model available.If possible please make a video for S5MIIx model if it's available with you.Thank you in advance.
Your videos are so damn good. I don’t even own a FX3 and watched this whole video 😂
That’s the BEST compliment EVER!
We’ll I’m glad that’s the case, this way you can watch more than everyone else 👍😀
Sherif, thank you for excellent video. Maybe in the years ahead, I will be able to understand more of it. Thanks though, good sir.
Thank you so much for watching, I’m sure slowly but surely things will start making more sense and you’ll enjoy those videos more.
I missed your content! Always precise and straight to the point. As a former gh5 and s1h user who switched to the fx3 and a7siii. I wish Sony had all the great functionality as Panasonic. If I wasn’t so invested into Sony now I’d prob make the switch back lol. Keep up the great work!
Yeah! I wish also, but Panasonic seems to be coming back, now it has what seems to be a reliable AF
@3:07 I'm bummed about the lack of shutter angle. We can not quickly switch to S&Q mode via a Custom Button. If in 24p w/ 1/48 shutter, shutter speed will automatically set to 1/125 in 120fps S&Q. When switching back to 24p, the shutter speed remains at 1/125. Pretty silly oversight. While I appreciate the Sony updates, it really seems like they're not putting it in the hands of actual users before release.
the only real issue I have with the fx3, is that the noise reduction can't be turned off, id love to record internally, but it looks worse than the fx6 with the same sensor due to this noise reduction. therefore every time I use this camera I use proresraw
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I was absolutely bummed out when I saw this 4kDCI 24P came to my fx30…to switch on RAW and my ninja just show a grey screen. It’s really looking like Sony doesn’t listen to their customers and i see this as the fall of Sony.
Panasonic is waking up finally as well. Let’s see
@@THEDPJOURNEY I think Panasonic is gonna be the new "Sony". So many of my friends already have sold their Sony cameras for Panasonic
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so really know way to record true 24p prores on the fx3? any workarounds? maybe in post?
Not that I’m aware of no
Always the truth, always the facts
Doing my best to keep it that way. Thanks for your support
Perhaps it's Sony's version of a cripple hammer and want you to buy the FX6 or the FX9, but considering Panasonic is giving us these features without even being a cinema camera and at half the price. It makes sense to get the Panasonic, I really love my FX3, I really think that the rolling shutter is key in my work. Hence, I have to stick with Sony, if not, I would gladly get the Panasonic instead. Though I must say, I'm excited at what Sony will give us on the FX3 Mark II, hope they will come out with it soon. Sucks to know that my friend's ZV-E1 backup casual shooting camera has more features than my FX3. Just my 2 cents.
Yeah but the fx6 and fx9 have hardware making it worth to buy outside of shooting modes. The larger bodies for rigging and the internal NDs being a huge one.
Cameras are electronics and age like cellphones and laptops. ZV-E1 is a newer camera with next gen hardware like dedicated autofocus cpu.
I'm still on original firmware, nothing is compelling enough for me to upgrade.
yeah I have a couple of friends that did the same thing.
such detailed ???? flabbergasting video.. New sub here..
Thanks for the sub! Glad to have you, Welcome aboard!
Its the creators fault. I'm talking about the movie.
Have you seen those other movies shot with iPhones by the way? Also those others shot with a handy cam? They didn’t call themselves “cinema” cameras if you noticed
The first & best honest and yet in depth FW 3.0 explanation video I have ever seen. Well done
Thanks, really appreciate your comment. I Always try to be honest and unbiased.
You are father of Gerald undone and other paid youtube promoters
Hahaha, thanks Ashfaque for your kind comment
Still no true 30, 60 and 120 FPS either
Nothing is true in the camera
Honest review ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Much appreciated
I can't focus on anything you're saying because I'm blown away by these graphics! Only other video editors will appreciate the amount of effort it takes to create a dynamic video like this. If you have any tutorials on how you edit your videos please let me know!!
Thank you so much for your compliments. Really happy you appreciated the effort put into it.
Even though those graphics were meant as visual aid, not a distraction
Here what posted about them anyway, hope it helps
ruclips.net/video/tJ-CBFPapTU/видео.html
I love that you include Panasonic in comparisons. I have been adding more e mount lenses rather than ef, but I really like Panasonic's attitude and customer service to video features.
I had the GH5 and they had shutter angle when that camera was out, so I'm sure they COULD add it.
Totally agree
Is the resolution of the 4K DCI mode actually 4,096 x 2,160 or it just upscaling the UHD resolution into a bigger container? I thought the sensor was only 3,840 by 2,160.
So I have All Sony/Zuess lens all full frame, should I just get the FX30 and use the crop on the FX30 sensor?? I want to get into making music videos, but I need a camera thats excellent for indoor iso ranges. or should I buy the a7s111
Having just upgraded from a GH4 to an FX3, the lack of shutter angle is the most frustrating thing so far!
I know how that feels
Same here 😢 i am already messing up Shuutttter speed during shoots because I never used that for the past 3 years 😅
Very informative video, thanks for the effort!
I use the timecode adapter and have only noticed big differences so far when the timecode generator is no longer connected and the internal clock continues to run - but I will keep an eye on this. You talked about a video that is exactly about the timecode running apart... can you link it to me?
And one thing I would like to briefly note: in RAW the imagearea is not larger. It only looks like it if you have the distortion compensation active, because then it is slightly cropped on the internal recording to compensate for the distortion, which logically does not happen in the RAW feed. If the function is deactivated, then the image section is identical. The internal UHD recording is always downsampled down from the 4.2K.
You must always keep the timecode generator connected to the camera at all times
@@davidcmpeterson Indeed, it is the best option to keep the timecode generator consistently connected. However, in certain circumstances, it may not necessarily be required. I have recently conducted an extensive comparative test with various devices. The findings were filled with numerous intriguing and unexpected results, accompanied by the reassuring realization that the adapter functions flawlessly. Even during a continuous recording exceeding 8 hours with the adapter, all Sony cameras performed impeccably, remaining OnPoint.
However, caution must be exercised when the timecode generator is not connected, as well as in certain recording modes such as the slow and quick mode.
ruclips.net/video/Cn2XG8fxhcU/видео.html
@@deadendboredom you never want to discover a scenario (due to weather, or battery changes, or setting changes, or whatever) that means timecode isn't in sync and all it would have taken to simply avoid this major problem if you'd just done the normal thing of keeping a timecode box on it!
@@davidcmpeterson You're absolutely right, one wouldn't want such a scenario to occur. However, it's good to know how a device behaves in an exceptional situation. Perhaps the port for the TC is occupied by another device or a vertical video needs to be recorded where the port side is at the bottom and thus concealed. Just like a pilot who wouldn't want to encounter a scenario where an engine fails... But the more they know about the aircraft and exceptional situations, the better they can handle it.
Very useful to be aware of the limitations. Still, no way I'd pick a Panasonic camera again. The missing or limited features of this camera are far outweighed by the fantastic functionality the camera has.
it's great camera, you can't find a camera that fits everyone's needs afterall, there will always be a catch
Thank you for explaining the features so clearly.
You're most welcome, would really appreciate if you can share it please if you found it useful. Much appreciated
So you want the whole world in a relatively cheap camera. Well forget the FX three and go buy the Panasonic S52X… Most likely Will turn out to be a much better camera.
Thanks so much for your simple to understand explanations and I think it’s so already invested people don’t stray too far, as for me a Sony fan and somewhat Panasonic because BM is just too massive bulky and impractical to use who has never had a full frame, I can sit on the fence and wait until Sony implements it’s new T sensor into it’s newer models and see what it looks like and then decide between the 2
It all comes down to personal preferences in the end and trying to invent something new as in your own look ( lut ) for me and there’s more than one way to achieve that 😊❤
Superb review.
Awesome video and very good points. Can’t believe the 180 degree shutter is not included in 3.0! By the way I love your animations! Do you use a specific software for these ? 😊
Thanks for your support, yeah I have an episode about my animations:
ruclips.net/video/tJ-CBFPapTU/видео.html
@@THEDPJOURNEY thank you, I’ve actually found it and watched it :) This mCam plug-in is magic but I need to up my skills in Keynote ❤️
That’ll take a week at most. It’s super easy and intuitive
Why are 120 and 240 frame rates not available in this update and instead we have 100 and 200? Can i comback to 2 v?
Jippi, a new DPJ video!
1st off,
adding shutter angle are more complex than you think, as I have been told ,
-Its “baked” into driving of the firmware where have the ability to adjust/force hardware to right mode.
If you can’t get the hardware to sync with one fps mode, as 23,98 its never going work
It cant’t be easy added afterwards as I understand it.
Not sure how everyone else did it then? I’m sure SONY is aware it’s something people look for
@@THEDPJOURNEY agree, shutter angle 📐 is a key feature.
My guess is that they have a development infrastructure where hardware and firmwares are built in layers over several years.
It only takes one part on any of the PCBs to make it an incomplete feature.
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I'd also be spewing if I bought the A7siii, no reason it should be gimped by Sony. Panasonic, BMD and Nikon doing well with the features. Canon and Sony peeving off users who can't afford their cinema cameras. Hope BMD can work on autofocus, if they do I'd love to get one as my next camera.
According to Sony's thinking the A7siii isn't a 'cinema' camera so why should it get anamorphic and 24p.
Seriously! This is the best produced and told review I have ever seen on RUclips. Your graphics are awesome and the editing is perfect! And the information is so relevant. Thanks!!
Thank you so much for the amazing comment. Really happy you liked it
Hello, is it possible to upgrade fx3 camera from version 4 to 3?
Great video, thanks as always from me. Just a quick question, what are the reasons it's still one of your favourite cameras even with its shortfalls. Would be great to get the real positive stuff. Thanks again for all the great and hard work that goes into your reviews.
Hey Troy, thanks again for watching, it's all the reasons I mentioned in the first episode, mainly the AF that really helps a lot, how small it is, having all those screws that help rig it, 120 Fps is also helpful. but when it comes to cinema features, it's pretty bad, Panasonic is a perfect example of what camera features and customizability should be like.
It's kind of amazing how relevant the gh4 still is. Competing with sony's latest prosumer cameras. Maybe sony'll catch up to the bmpcc4k one day.
Sonys been focused on video quality
@@Yupthereitism the bmpcc4k and 6k have a more filmic image than the Sony with better highlight roll off. Softer yes but less digital and nicer skin tones too.
Gh5 maybe but the gh4 lacks s9 much compared to now
@@Shuttterbugg not a lot. It does 10bit, has native sdi and xlr, has no stabilisation, has dci, open gate and a lot of other nice features. It's an older camera, sure, but holds its own against newer cameras. Especially against this particular one.
This is the lowest IQ comment I’ve seen on this channel.
So great to see you back! Another insightful video with your signature smooth graphics.
Feels good to be back! And thanks for your kind words Oliver
I am blown away by the storytelling of this video. Lots of gem packed in her told in an informative and appealing way. Subbed!
Thank you so much Ryan for this awesome comment. Really happy you liked it and welcome aboard
lens breathing compensation? Really? The ARRI Alexa, RED, and all cinema cameras up until now haven't had lens breathing compensation. How is that necessary for it to be considered a "cinema camera"? The ARRI Alexa shot 2880 x 1620 only until recently, are all of the films shot with it not cinema because it wasn't DCI 4K?
Just say they are features that you would like to have, don't go spouting nonsense about it not being a pretend cinema camera for not having them.
OMG… you got it all wrong
Why on earth would ALEXA or RED have breathing compensation?? They’re meant to be used with manual lenses of all brands and kinds
And lens breathing compensation is SURELY not a cinema feature, and won’t qualify any camera to be a cinema or not. It’s irrelevant!
if you listened to what I said, it’s a CINEMA LENS FEATURE. Not a Camera feature
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The problem I have with a lot of these comments (by people who don't own the camera) is that you still cant forget the is still in many ways way more practical and affordable cinema option for a commercial/ wedding filmmaker like myself and many others who don't need the production controls and layout of other cinema cameras. Lets not ignore that "The Creator" (a full Hollywood production) used FX3 to shoot the entire film, say what you will about the slow rollout cinema of features that Sony is making available with firmware updates, the camera's image is still beautiful and much better than almost all Blackmagic's offerings.
You know what else shot a Hollywood movie? The iPhone 5s. Does this mean it’s as good as FX3? Does it mean the iPhone is a great choice for film production.
People keep using this example complete out of context and without understanding the point of what I’m mentioning here. I’ll leave it at that
Very valuable info! Thx for sharing
Most dissapointing was the lack of Open Gate. But thanks for pointing out the 3:2 sensor which is shorter than the 4:3 which I believe is available on the new Panasonic Cams, correct?
Correct
@@THEDPJOURNEY which other full-frame cameras offer 4:3 open gate? I don't know of any (except for MFT cameras) and 3:2 is the traditional 35mm size
😂😂😂 sony make great hybrids nothing more.
Honestly thus update is kinda ass but i still want it for a7siii. For me fb compensation and anamoprhic desqueeze is most sought after for me
I was tossing up changing to Sony from Panasonic but the GH6 is just so cinematic centric it was a no brainer
But as I got the GH6, I discovered it has a major streaking issue with its sensor that would ruin your shots. I have an episode about it. Check it out
I second the GH6 thing. Was destined to be the PERFECT camera until I discovered the same issue in 40% of my footage. Returned it straight away, I think that shipping a camera with flaws like that is less forgiveable than no shutter angle lol
@@THEDPJOURNEY how abot the s5iix?
Fx30 has a time code in solution. Not a timecode out pero in yes
Great information! Also amazing graphic content. Thank you!
Much appreciated, thank you for washing
Buy the FX6 if you want all the Cinema features. This is smart marketing by Sony, they don't want this camera do do too much.
I would call it more of misleading marketing. Not smart when you imply something that it’s not after all
Love it bro💪🏾 Have you played with using tungsten lighting more for black skin? That warmer look usually helps the skin to glow!
Great thanks, Always very informative
Cheers thanks
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Concise review and reasonably unbiased 😉
Excellent explanation! clear and concise!!! Question 🤔 what is the difference between "ProRess- ProRess RAW & regular Raw ? thanks! cheers!
Regular RAW is patented by RED and is not allowed to be internal in any camera besides their own.
RAW is split into 2:
Uncompressed and compressed
ProRes RAW, just like RED’s R3D format are compressed
Normal ProRes, is just a compressed video format, but a very efficient one in terms of compression, quality and performance. That’s why it’s the preferred to edit and master with.
@@THEDPJOURNEY hey thanks!!! So I guess, there is no point in shooting, ProRess Raw then? better shoot Proress? (I thought ProRess RAW had more info so the better choice...)
ProRes raw has many awesome features, I suggest you watch the episodes about raw I pointed out, they’ll answer all your questions
@@THEDPJOURNEY thanks I will!
Ah! The perfect videographer to ask…
I’ll be shooting some theater scenes in NYC and I’m trying to see IF I can get by with a Sony FX3 given that the lighting can be highly controlled…
It’s not only is it about the higher rental cost of the the FX6 or Komodo ecosystem… but the size of the files written out demanding (10?) more NAS storage for editing…
The deciding factor may just be that the final product is only intended for smart phones or tablet… maybe a laptop?
(There’s also some question about shooting under the theaters tungsten lights or (and?) my Aputure LEDS…)
GH6 is laughing hard 😂
But GH6 has a faulty sensor still. I covered that in another episode. Which makes the whole industry laugh at it unfortunately
The GH6 for the above reason is a huge let down by Panasonic. They knew they were shipping a faulty product and did it anyway. Cripple hammer all you want, sony, canon, Panasonic, just make sure your camera can film a clear image. Camera production 101
@@THEDPJOURNEY faulty sensor? No one i know owns it complains. They are all happy.
wish you make a video about panasonic lumix s5 mark 2, thanks a lot
What a great looking video and very informative! Congrats!
And for firmware, at least sony do something with FX3 but completely silent for same features for a7SIII, its a very sad, as a7sIII have same hardware and for all was almost total clone of FX3. And regardless price for a7sIII for 4200$ (in my country) and total video oriented camera it such a bad way to handle this camera.
Sony keeps playing games with its software or lack there off.There probably have an FX 4 ready to go with all the features for a higher price.That would be my guess.They are notorious for that.I have been holding off buying the FX 3 until we get the cinema features it should have.Don’t get me wrong it’s a fantastic camera,Sony is just being an ass with there software updates.Look at the A7s-3 (s4 Corning soon?)
As of today May 15, 2023, The FX9 does NOT have lens breathing compensation. And it is a frustration when comparing to the cheaper fx cameras.
I accidentally clicked my shutter wheel the other day while filming a doc and noticed 1/48 is now in the camera. I was shooting 1/50 like I always have because I thought that’s all that was available. So I think that’s new and they didn’t announce it, or it was there all along and I just never knew. 🤷♂️
I'm pretty glad I've left Sony now. They're notorious for giving seemingly random cameras in their lineup preferential treatment while leaving others in the dust. The Sony A7RIV got a grand total of 2 firmware updates that did nearly nothing while the A7III for instance, got many including introducing new at the time features like eye AF.
It seems like everything Sony makes is either a success or a proprietary flop, but not in between.
Yeah everyone is wondering about what the H happened to the A7S3
@@THEDPJOURNEY yep. The king of RUclips cameras until a firmware update for its similar cousin shortened its lifespan.
We are just invested sirui anamorphic lens. 😩😩😩
I’ll be covering that actually. Stand by
Panasonic's S5IIX is more a cinema camera than the FX3, and they always keep adding things in the firmware. It's ridiculous that Sony cripples their camera like that
Amazing
Thanks 🙏
Thanks for your real point of view without on any topics !!!!! Sony doesn’t want to make there camera better so you buy the flagship 😢not fare and respectfull for the customers…….why did you switch from lumix to Sony ?
Thanks for the comment, I was never a Lumix or a SONY guy to switch from one ot the other. not a good practice for anyone. I use all cameras available for what they offer. SONY has great AF, Lumix has great cinema and customization features. Depends on what the shoot I'm on needs more. I also shoot with RED, BMPCC, ARRI. So yeah, was never, and will never, be hooked to one brand :)
@@THEDPJOURNEY very wise answer !! Thx 🙏
Apparently Greig Fraser shot The Creator with this camera and Atlas Orions
Nothing is gonna stop anyone from using this camera anywhere they want in all cases. iPhones were used to make Hollywood films. But that doesn’t make them cinema cameras.
My point is, in case you missed it: don’t call it a cinema camera when it’s missing basic cinema features. It makes it look obvious you’re simply doing a marketing stunt since “cinema camera” sells
Hello! Can I record sound directly to the built-in microphone FX3 and ECM-B1M hotshoe mic?
These cameras are used exclusively to shoot video, including by those moaning about it "not having cinema features".
Last time I checked video is not shown in cinemas.
Honestly i would buy another sony lens if they add open gate. Shutter angle, open gate are so needed
Excellent video, great editing! Thanks!
Thanks Jeff
11:40. scaling by 0.99 will introduce artifacts. you're better off cropping to get 1:1 pixel mapping.