Great review thanks. I daily drive a manual 2011 i20 mostly on country roads. 1.4l 70ish kw, bog standard and that little car is a rocket in the context of what it is. Will motor all day at highway speeds+ and never miss a beat. So very impressed with Hyundai engineering. So the i20N looks like an absolute blast with 150kw and all those goodies. Looking forward to the release....
I have a 2018 Hyundai i20 1.25l 84hp, been driving it for 3 yrs across Europe from Spain- to Finland/Sweden, comfy, easy on fuel and most importantly been very reliable and looks nice + got it for little money.
Another fantastic, honest and genuine review JC. I actually laid down a fully refundable deposit on one of these little beauties at my local dealership back in December. I've been waiting for a worthy successor to my lovely, little Clio 182 for a long time now.....Great to see it actually delivers in real life what is promised on paper. Cheers.....Will
This will no doubt have the aftermarket parts makers tooling up with parts to offer the weekend racers. Nice offering given the electric current in the marketplace. ✌
Stellar intro, enjoying your video production. You’re reminding me how fun my old manual Getz used to be (circa 2005); the latest generation i20N being somewhat ‘gruntier.’ Alas, car booster seats in the back and a decade in an automatic i45 sedan (with nothing ever mechanically wrong with it), I’m more likely to choose your current ride... or a Carnival😳.
heel and toe, nice i get it. used to do speedway and some track, all self funded and just for fun. a car u can daily and still have fun, is some people's dream.i do like a daily with a bit of fun when u use the loud pedal.
I30N is my achievable dream car and I planned to get 1-2 year old one last year. We all can imagine how that went. Problem is they made huge changes to new car taxation in this country and prices went bananas. New i30N is almost 50k eu car. Cupra Formatier 70k eu etc. My last hope is i20N now. If my country will even bring these in...
I have jealousy, much, of your chosen job John. Taste testing these juicy little tidbits from on-the-game car companies would only be marvellous I imagine. Great vid, as usual, so thank you muchly. I do miss the dedicated NUT videos though. You're obviously not upsetting people as much as you advance in years :-) (if you hadn't noticed, which I doubt, there's a challenge there for you!)
I was genuinely considering one of the N line cars from Hyundai last year as they are a well built car with an excellent warranty, I ended up going with a GR Yaris but I don't think anyone can go too far wrong with one of these N line cars as long as it's size fits your lifestyle.
Thank you John, we are considering to change our current i20 to N in near future. It was interesting to watch your clip. Great training equipment, wish we could have so much room in Brexitopotamia.best wishes.
Hyundai's answer to the Yaris GR. If they get the 30k price point, they will be onto a winner. Your review John was awesome as usual. Always give me a chuckle. But seriously. The i20 N, looks great. And I think I will be getting in line at the dealer.
@@grantorino9049 I haven’t seen that and would be very surprised. The 200kw/370nm 1.6t 3 cylinder Toyota engine in an AWD chassis weighing about the same at 1280kg delivers a power to weight ratio way better than the i20N.
@@grantdesreaux7798 yeah i know. Another reviewer said that. He wasnt supposed to reveal the time but He said it was faster than the yaris gr and slower than the yaris rally. We will see soon i guess :)
John, great review as expected. I am concerned about the 1.6t GDI engine due to issues reported globally and current experience with the customer service team at Hyundai. This is not my car but a friend’s. Veloster with this platform. Great little car until it began running roughly at startup and blowing black smoke about 3 months before the warranty expires. Once the ECU told the engine it was warm enough to allow in more air the black smoke cleared and it ran fine. Hyundai said there is no issue and to change the grade of fuel to 91RON … anyway after 6 visits culminating in a check engine light that would not go out the dealer finally admitted there is a problem. Replace the ECU they said. Replace the injectors they said. That was over 2 months ago and the car is still at the dealer with Hyundai customer service involved. If this is the same engine platform albeit with a tweaked ECU in the i20n i expect the car will suffer the same sorts of issues as my friends one, and others globally that have culminated in catastrophic engine failure for many. As for Hyundai’s customer service, maybe it is modelled on Holden, Ford, VW and Mercedes. Your opinion on the 1.6tGDI platform would be good to hear. In the meantime, my friend waits for a fixed Veloster or some other form of good result from Hyundai.
I know about the issues with Hyundai GDI engines. This car comes with the new smartstream engine which adds port injection which is what other manufactures added to fix the issues with GDI.
@@beno9679 That makes sense. I wonder what Hyundai will do to rectify the issues with the existing GDI platform. It may be as simple as adding an additional maintenance step in the service regime to use an upper engine cleaner. I await their next steps after a long wait with no result yet.
I enjoy your transparency John, and if you are correct on predicting the RSP, I think it is quite a great contender amongst its competitors! Tnanks for sharing mate...
Thanks alot for the review. I'm highly interested in one of these, even if I probably will not go much to track with it (inaccessible where I live). The gap between traction and slipping (in the wet) is that something to be worried about on normal roads (at legal speeds of course)? This will be my first venture into a performance car and it looks absolutely awesome. However it will also be sort of a family car and I will not appreciate super easy unintended oversteer as soon as the road gets wet or a corner is taken slightly too enthusiastically. I doubt that the car really is like that (trying to kill you with oversteer at every corner) but would love to hear your take. Is it OK for a 'beginner hot hatch'? I realise you did not drive production car tires and ESC can be toggled.Thanks again for many great videos.
@@IsaacLoven family car is not totally precise. We also got a skoda kamiq (wife's daily driver). But we both need to be able to drive it according to changing needs during the week. I fully agree if we had one car only i30-size would definitely be needed.
Sounds like a hoot. I'm having more than enough fun in my MY20 Nline, which Hyundai had the foresight to fit Michelin Pilot Sport 4's as standard and have not had a moments hesitation while punting it around My Glorious (SEQ).
Hi John , Will you be doing any kind of review of the GR Yaris any time soon, and also some kind of comparison with the N lines. Thanks again, love you work.Cheers Patrick H
Do the magic modes dial down the suspension for when you need to get stuck on the M5 in your commute ?. I recall the old man's STI, in the end if you still had to drive it to work the other 360 days a year, it was too rough.
Hey at least the boss man got me a lorry with fridge and freezer in it. I can kill myself out of boredom on M5 delivering food to lidl while enjoying an ice-cream.
Not my type of vehicle but in this class I would think that its Ford Fiesta ST, the Toyota Yarris GR and then this Hyundai i20 N. Sadly due to John's incorrect perception of Ford Australia unless he can get his hands on a Fiesta ST his view will continue to be wrong about said Ford vehicles (just relaying public info) which is a shame as his review on the Fiesta St, Focus ST and a ranger Raptor would be awesome (honest no BS approach) to watch.
I was genuinely interested in i20N as a second car until last year. I even wanted to learn manual driving because of this car. However I just couldn't make my final decision with all those news about electric cars and stuff from media. It's a great vehicle but came out way too late. My new second car will probably be an electric vehicle made by Hyundai or Kia.
As I am ignorant to the mechanics of the down-shifting rev matching logic, how does the computer knows you are about to down-rather-than-up shift? Does hitting the brakes give that indication?
It knows because of where you place the gear lever. So you pull it out of gear, say 5th, slide it left through neutral and as you start to pull it into fourth or push it forward into third it blips the throttle by the appropriate amount such that when you release the clutch pedal the engine revs are in synch with road speed and there is no lurch.
@Alfred Wedmore remember we are talking about rev matching, not double de clutching, so the synchros still do their job of spinning up the rotating parts in the box to the correct engagement speed. All the rev matching does is bring the engine rotation up to the correct speed consistent with the lower gear selected and road speed to ensure seamless clutch engagement when the driver lifts his left foot off the pedal. If the driver switches off rev matching and executes proper double declutching (which means the driver then has to combine his own rev matching and deft clutch control), then the synchros don’t have any work to do, because the driver blips the throttle while the clutch is engaged in neutral, which spins the rotational parts up to speed before the synchros have a chance to do so. With rev matching switched back on, the blip occurs when the clutch pedal is pressed down so it has no effect on the what’s happening in the gearbox. I hope all that is clear.
John. Could we extrapolate that 'normalisation' of Hyundai products in order to [eventually] introduce the i10? [I 'get' that's it's a 'city car' but what the hell...... Got to get rid of he Getz before I die.]
I love my i30n but the Pirelli "HN" tyres are rubbish, I could barely complete a single hot lap on them before they overheated and slowly lost performance and I find that even average re003s out perform them. I'd bet that the i20n tyres won't be much better.
That thing you were swinging around at the start looks very much like the special hammer my MOT man reserves for testing Land Rovers! Does Ian know you've got it?
Gotta say kinda love it! Personally I think it'll be a better choice than the GR yaris. I20N being only a fwd should be lighter and it being a I4 is better than a I3 due to the fact you can throw more torque on the rotation assembly when modifying such a car, before having to swap out cast internals for forged rods/piston set. And seriously awd/4wd isn't really needed for a daily driver that'll see a race track seldom in its life time.
He said the production car will have Pirellis. He stated several times that he was driving a pre-production version. Clearly, that car had Goodyears fitted.
@@sophdog1678 I know. But Good Years will have a different riding characteristic versus Pirellis so having Good Years fitted for a test drive might give a impression different from production reality. My remark was more satirical then serious if you could have read between the lines. Difficult since it was just one line ;-)
Hot hatch driven gently but can't see why it wouldn't be as good as a different car by the same manufacturer, just finished watching another review of the i20n overseas and brakes weren't as good as the 30n according to the reviewer. They were also told they couldn't compare the car on track to other makes, l would've thought putting it up against something like the Fiesta ST would show how good it really is. Certainly doesn't have the crackle/pop and snarl of the little Fiesta which is half the fun or the chuckability from what I could see and hear, just not the same big smile on the drivers face or the giggles in the Hyundai.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it is at odds with all the motoring journalists that have driven it regarding drive (and no one in Aust has yet as it is a year away from our shores) .
I tried to find out if this car was allowed to be driven by P1 & P2 licensed drivers but the details are not yet available on the rms website After watching this video I'd say it's not available to those classes of drivers? John, I believe you said in another video that self driving cars would never be a reality but in this one you acknowledge the computer can do a better job I made the point that cars in the future will work together with other vehicles and infrastructure Self driving cars will come and they will ellipse most humans but like all technology, it will take time
You're right. It's not all that quick. It's slower than my 2005 Ibiza 1.9TDi with a little remap. I bet my car spanks the i20 on mpg too 😁 I do have to live with a dumb diff though...
Oh i get the desire to drive fast, drive hard, and drive long, but not fast and hard on public streets. They're not called public racetracks for a reason, although many 'Murican drivers are completely unaware of that basic fact.
Great review John. Personally I’m looking into the new i30, but found out this week after talking to Hyundai that there will be no fastback in the auto/dct (if it ever arrives). I think the hatch will be too small (in the boot) for me as I need to carry a wheel chair in there permanently, leaves little room for anything else!
No fastback facelift but the i30 sedan N will arrive later in the year... that is the reason why no fastback facelift is coming our way. The i30N facelift should be arrive on our shores on July 31st
@@AutoExpertJC a great shame. It’s a great looking car. The new i30 N line sedan just doesn’t do it for me on the looks front. Keep up the great content John. I’ll be in touch when we are ready to buy.
I own a ST and bought the i20N after a test drive. Accelerating whise both are pretty the same. I20N is a bit faster 0-100. 100-200 feel like the same time needed (both about 20s). Sound is MUCH better in the Hyundai. Chassis is better and hell it has Rev Match. Overall its a more complete car. Though ST3 seats are more comfy than the i20N seats for me. But thats the only point i would give to the ST.
Hyundai i20 N ! Well well that's interesting. Didn't know it was on the cards. Will this compete in sales with the Yaris GR and Fiesta ST...and beat them !
@@AutoExpertJC I miss my 1990 Civic SI. Like wearing a car with a cape and flying around the curves. No electronic aids. Not even power steering. But super lite. Perfect shifter with stock Bridgestone RE 88 summer tires. This looks great.
@@AutoExpertJC it was a factory version of a hot tuner Civic without the styling excesses or destroying the suspension. And it was affordable. Commute on weekdays, race on the weekend. Michelin had a special racing series for this in North America. We put on their tires and raced in matched cars no mods except five point harness. Budget racing at the limit in a solid little rocket. So much better than the SCCA British junk I learned to race in. If it hadn't been stolen I might still have it. Hyundai should sponsor a racing series for its N cars.
Nice video. Nice car. I'm hoping they do an ioniq n. Just for those of us that want to convince the wifey this is economical car... Honest. And I really don't want some Tesla death trap.
Heel-and-toe and rev matching is magical, when you get it right. I was driving my brother's Austin Healey Sprite, no synchro on first gear. Coming up to a roundabout, I down-changed to first and it just popped in, like silk, I didn't even think about it (if I had, I wouldn't have changed down until we were at a standstill), I just changed to first and then realised I got it in without it grinding. Amazing, when you get it right. My brother nearly freaked out! Another time, I had a Mini Metro as a rental, there wasn't enough foot room for me to use the clutch (long legs, big feet). I drove it over 600KM over back roads and only used the clutch on pulling away twice. Up change is a doddle, but down changes are always challenging. I probably got it silky-right about 40% and in-without-crunch about 90%. And that is the difference, with the Hyundai electronics, as you say, it gets it silky-right, what, somewhere between 99% and 100% of the time?
John The Stig :) Great club workout too... BMW influence drifts back... 1970's Datsuns? Yair, Used to be into racing gear changes... Did paddle shift DCT's, initially encounter F1 objections? Re: Unfair advantage, over driver skill? You didn't say if the i20N computer prevents over revved down shifts? Mech synchro block @ redline? Seen the 3 pedals & stick. Talking Sanskrit - Isn't the vanilla i20 made in India? E-Diff? Invokes The Gunfight at OK Corral? How reliable would that be? Long Term? ESC should also work for a living, assisting mech LSD, when needed? Who cares? Born to Be Wild?
@10:23 You cant drive over ANYTHING in a Land Cruiser John. If the 1VD engine hasn't gone Charlie Sheen and sucked up a big heap of dust, then the lack of a rear LSD will ensure movement over nothing for that big $150K kick in the wedding vegetables!
@@ManishSharma-ku7ij He is actually the laughing Buddha (Budai) and hails from China so probably spoke Chinese... and has been incorporated into Japanese Buddhism, Taoism. Shintoism and of course as Phat Phuc, which is the Vietnamese word for the Happy Buddha. 🙏😁😋
@@AutoExpertJC www.hyundai.at/media/36451/hyundai-i20n-preisblatt-221_web.pdf clearly says E-LSD in europe 🤗 2nd Page mid right. Maybe the use a mechanical in australia and NZ, but I doubt
@@grantorino9049 I'm going off Hyundai's official press release on the car, plus verbal confirmation from the local PR boss. Both very clear about it being a mechanical LSD. (Not saying you are wrong, just letting you know the source for my info.)
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The "N" stands for Noice!
Only in 'Straya...
It's Noice, It's Different, It's Unusual ...😆
Hyundai and Kia are building some realy nice cars these days, look out Thai built Japanese (and euro) cars, I think they have passed yous
We can’t even get a car with a manual let alone an Accent hot hatch, lucky bastards. John has a great gig, track driving new cars, great review.
Great review thanks. I daily drive a manual 2011 i20 mostly on country roads. 1.4l 70ish kw, bog standard and that little car is a rocket in the context of what it is. Will motor all day at highway speeds+ and never miss a beat. So very impressed with Hyundai engineering. So the i20N looks like an absolute blast with 150kw and all those goodies. Looking forward to the release....
I have a 2018 Hyundai i20 1.25l 84hp, been driving it for 3 yrs across Europe from Spain- to Finland/Sweden, comfy, easy on fuel and most importantly been very reliable and looks nice + got it for little money.
Another fantastic, honest and genuine review JC. I actually laid down a fully refundable deposit on one of these little beauties at my local dealership back in December. I've been waiting for a worthy successor to my lovely, little Clio 182 for a long time now.....Great to see it actually delivers in real life what is promised on paper. Cheers.....Will
Brocky was a master at talking to live TV and driving flat out around Bathurst. An amazing feat if you think about it.
I can picture him now. Flat out down Conrod, hands on the bottom of the steering wheel, chatting casually into the camera...
Dick Johnson was good at as well.
Moffat was at least as good as Brocky at doing that - no slight to Brocky - both were beyond words masterful!
Great honest review on a superb car
Thanks very much.
This will no doubt have the aftermarket parts makers tooling up with parts to offer the weekend racers. Nice offering given the electric current in the marketplace. ✌
Stellar intro, enjoying your video production. You’re reminding me how fun my old manual Getz used to be (circa 2005); the latest generation i20N being somewhat ‘gruntier.’ Alas, car booster seats in the back and a decade in an automatic i45 sedan (with nothing ever mechanically wrong with it), I’m more likely to choose your current ride... or a Carnival😳.
Thanks very much - the intros like that are a lot of work when you're a one-man crew, and the actor for most of it.
@@AutoExpertJC Absolutely understand, and aware of the planning, filming and the editing... Respect.
Thank you John… very enjoyable review of a product that I would love to own as I’m an N-line i30 owner.
I'm in the UK had the fiesta ST for 2 years, looking for a change .. can't wait to see the N .. got high hopes.
I guess it's kinda randomly asking but do anyone know of a good website to watch newly released tv shows online?
@Santana Kameron Try flixzone. You can find it by googling :)
@Caiden Gatlin yea, have been using FlixZone for since march myself :D
@Caiden Gatlin Thank you, I went there and it seems to work :D Appreciate it!!
@Santana Kameron no problem xD
heel and toe, nice i get it. used to do speedway and some track, all self funded and just for fun. a car u can daily and still have fun, is some people's dream.i do like a daily with a bit of fun when u use the loud pedal.
Yes, one lovely car! Thanks for sharing John.
Absolutely.
Great review, John.
Thank you for all the effort you put into your videos to educate us.
This thing looks amazing...
Should do more of these J.C, GR Yaris rallye would be nice, as would that M3 you had - on track.
I30N is my achievable dream car and I planned to get 1-2 year old one last year. We all can imagine how that went. Problem is they made huge changes to new car taxation in this country and prices went bananas. New i30N is almost 50k eu car. Cupra Formatier 70k eu etc. My last hope is i20N now. If my country will even bring these in...
Lovely car... have to wait for 5month now after i ordered.... cant wait to put stage 1 on it :D
i reckon these things are going to be great for aftermarket tuning
I have jealousy, much, of your chosen job John. Taste testing these juicy little tidbits from on-the-game car companies would only be marvellous I imagine. Great vid, as usual, so thank you muchly. I do miss the dedicated NUT videos though. You're obviously not upsetting people as much as you advance in years :-) (if you hadn't noticed, which I doubt, there's a challenge there for you!)
I was genuinely considering one of the N line cars from Hyundai last year as they are a well built car with an excellent warranty, I ended up going with a GR Yaris but I don't think anyone can go too far wrong with one of these N line cars as long as it's size fits your lifestyle.
I think both are pretty credible accessible performance cars (Hyundai N and Toyota GR).
Great choice. Toyota is even bringing GR Corolla next year.
@@liberty0758 Stealing Subaru's spotlight...
@@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars well, it's good to have a choice if you're a hothatch enthusiast. I know Subaru don't make one anymore, but still...
Thank you John, we are considering to change our current i20 to N in near future. It was interesting to watch your clip. Great training equipment, wish we could have so much room in Brexitopotamia.best wishes.
Hyundai's answer to the Yaris GR. If they get the 30k price point, they will be onto a winner. Your review John was awesome as usual. Always give me a chuckle. But seriously. The i20 N, looks great. And I think I will be getting in line at the dealer.
Yaris GR and GR Rallye are more pitched at WRX STi and i30N than this little brother. 60k drive away for a GR Rallye…
@@grantdesreaux7798 but the gr yaris was slower than the i20n on queensland raceway 😋 seems to be a beast in corners
@@grantorino9049 I haven’t seen that and would be very surprised. The 200kw/370nm 1.6t 3 cylinder Toyota engine in an AWD chassis weighing about the same at 1280kg delivers a power to weight ratio way better than the i20N.
@@grantdesreaux7798 yeah i know. Another reviewer said that. He wasnt supposed to reveal the time but He said it was faster than the yaris gr and slower than the yaris rally. We will see soon i guess :)
John, great review as expected. I am concerned about the 1.6t GDI engine due to issues reported globally and current experience with the customer service team at Hyundai. This is not my car but a friend’s. Veloster with this platform. Great little car until it began running roughly at startup and blowing black smoke about 3 months before the warranty expires. Once the ECU told the engine it was warm enough to allow in more air the black smoke cleared and it ran fine. Hyundai said there is no issue and to change the grade of fuel to 91RON … anyway after 6 visits culminating in a check engine light that would not go out the dealer finally admitted there is a problem. Replace the ECU they said. Replace the injectors they said. That was over 2 months ago and the car is still at the dealer with Hyundai customer service involved. If this is the same engine platform albeit with a tweaked ECU in the i20n i expect the car will suffer the same sorts of issues as my friends one, and others globally that have culminated in catastrophic engine failure for many. As for Hyundai’s customer service, maybe it is modelled on Holden, Ford, VW and Mercedes. Your opinion on the 1.6tGDI platform would be good to hear. In the meantime, my friend waits for a fixed Veloster or some other form of good result from Hyundai.
I know about the issues with Hyundai GDI engines. This car comes with the new smartstream engine which adds port injection which is what other manufactures added to fix the issues with GDI.
@@beno9679 That makes sense. I wonder what Hyundai will do to rectify the issues with the existing GDI platform. It may be as simple as adding an additional maintenance step in the service regime to use an upper engine cleaner. I await their next steps after a long wait with no result yet.
Great video John, my i20n is coming next month hopefully , here in the UK. Epic surname by the way 😎 👍
Please do your bit for perpetuating our surname, by breeding prolifically. Thanks for the kind words, and enjoy the i20 N (not hard).
I enjoy your transparency John, and if you are correct on predicting the RSP, I think it is quite a great contender amongst its competitors!
Tnanks for sharing mate...
The price will be in that ballpark, I'm tipping...
What color is this? Silver, brass oder white?
Hey John, Is the indicator stalk on the left or right-hand side of the steering wheel?
Entertaining, as usual
Thanks alot for the review. I'm highly interested in one of these, even if I probably will not go much to track with it (inaccessible where I live). The gap between traction and slipping (in the wet) is that something to be worried about on normal roads (at legal speeds of course)? This will be my first venture into a performance car and it looks absolutely awesome. However it will also be sort of a family car and I will not appreciate super easy unintended oversteer as soon as the road gets wet or a corner is taken slightly too enthusiastically. I doubt that the car really is like that (trying to kill you with oversteer at every corner) but would love to hear your take. Is it OK for a 'beginner hot hatch'? I realise you did not drive production car tires and ESC can be toggled.Thanks again for many great videos.
It still has a lot of grip in the wet. It's not the slightest bit dangerous.
@@AutoExpertJC Thank you! :)
Too small as a family car. Need to get an i30 size
@@IsaacLoven family car is not totally precise. We also got a skoda kamiq (wife's daily driver). But we both need to be able to drive it according to changing needs during the week. I fully agree if we had one car only i30-size would definitely be needed.
You'll wanna be more concerned with understeer than oversteer.
Sounds like a hoot. I'm having more than enough fun in my MY20 Nline, which Hyundai had the foresight to fit Michelin Pilot Sport 4's as standard and have not had a moments hesitation while punting it around My Glorious (SEQ).
It is a very fun affordable performance car.
Great drive even though they further reduced the speed limit on many sections from Enoggera to Mount Glorious
@@thekunninglinguist2397. It's only illegal if you get caught, heh, heh.
@@gsd4me00 That is true
I absolutely LOVE that car. Very jealous.
Yes. I'm getting one of these and I'm super excited.
It's awesome on a bang-for-buck basis. So much fun, and accessible.
@@AutoExpertJC This or GR yaris ?
I think GR Yaris is a step up, and AWD - like, mini-WRX. Also this is gunna be substantially cheaper.
I want one ! John why are they being advertised at 36950 when we were told ( on OZ pages )they’ll be 32950 I little more expensive over the Ford ST.
Hi John , Will you be doing any kind of review of the GR Yaris any time soon, and also some kind of comparison with the N lines. Thanks again, love you work.Cheers Patrick H
Would you prefer to have an i20n or i30n if you could only have one?
I30 N
Club swinger.....old school, nice.
Yeah. Because core strength makes to world go around. (For your opponent...)
That new Hyundai is N-credible!
Do the magic modes dial down the suspension for when you need to get stuck on the M5 in your commute ?. I recall the old man's STI, in the end if you still had to drive it to work the other 360 days a year, it was too rough.
Hey at least the boss man got me a lorry with fridge and freezer in it. I can kill myself out of boredom on M5 delivering food to lidl while enjoying an ice-cream.
I dont understand why you say a e-lsd is better than a mechanical-lsd, can you explain a bit more?
Not my type of vehicle but in this class I would think that its Ford Fiesta ST, the Toyota Yarris GR and then this Hyundai i20 N. Sadly due to John's incorrect perception of Ford Australia unless he can get his hands on a Fiesta ST his view will continue to be wrong about said Ford vehicles (just relaying public info) which is a shame as his review on the Fiesta St, Focus ST and a ranger Raptor would be awesome (honest no BS approach) to watch.
Good stuff again John.
Have you happened to have driven a new fiesta st to compare to this car John? Thanks
I was genuinely interested in i20N as a second car until last year. I even wanted to learn manual driving because of this car. However I just couldn't make my final decision with all those news about electric cars and stuff from media. It's a great vehicle but came out way too late. My new second car will probably be an electric vehicle made by Hyundai or Kia.
Just remember, electric cars explode into flames on impact
Electric 🤣 once u drove it u know everything. No more entertaining. Have fun!
Any idea for the fuel consumption in the city and highway ??
Good job, dude Iiiiiiiiiiii think you'd agree.
Thanks very much. MALS.
As I am ignorant to the mechanics of the down-shifting rev matching logic, how does the computer knows you are about to down-rather-than-up shift? Does hitting the brakes give that indication?
It knows because of where you place the gear lever. So you pull it out of gear, say 5th, slide it left through neutral and as you start to pull it into fourth or push it forward into third it blips the throttle by the appropriate amount such that when you release the clutch pedal the engine revs are in synch with road speed and there is no lurch.
@Alfred Wedmore remember we are talking about rev matching, not double de clutching, so the synchros still do their job of spinning up the rotating parts in the box to the correct engagement speed. All the rev matching does is bring the engine rotation up to the correct speed consistent with the lower gear selected and road speed to ensure seamless clutch engagement when the driver lifts his left foot off the pedal. If the driver switches off rev matching and executes proper double declutching (which means the driver then has to combine his own rev matching and deft clutch control), then the synchros don’t have any work to do, because the driver blips the throttle while the clutch is engaged in neutral, which spins the rotational parts up to speed before the synchros have a chance to do so. With rev matching switched back on, the blip occurs when the clutch pedal is pressed down so it has no effect on the what’s happening in the gearbox. I hope all that is clear.
I20N or Cerato GT? Same engine and same power
Got a kia cerato gt. Great car n great turbo 1.6 engine. Seriously looking at the Hyundai i20n. Love the styling of it n Love the rear wing
@@shaneveldhuis1618 I have a CGT as well, I want a i30 Fastback N. Only 500 for Aus
cant compare the two i20n is a proper hot hatch. its a classic
Where is it made?
The latest results in the Tcr series at eastern creek speak for themselves.
I'm not a motorsport nut - so I'd defer to you on that one...
What does the N stand for?
The review was great, but can we talk about the sick editing in the first 2 minutes?
Sick in a bad or good way?
Production quality, top notch!
Thanks, Karthik.
John. Could we extrapolate that 'normalisation' of Hyundai products in order to [eventually] introduce the i10? [I 'get' that's it's a 'city car' but what the hell...... Got to get rid of he Getz before I die.]
Fiesta st competes directly with this. I prefer the st, but to each his own. It's certainly competent.
I love my i30n but the Pirelli "HN" tyres are rubbish, I could barely complete a single hot lap on them before they overheated and slowly lost performance and I find that even average re003s out perform them. I'd bet that the i20n tyres won't be much better.
That thing you were swinging around at the start looks very much like the special hammer my MOT man reserves for testing Land Rovers!
Does Ian know you've got it?
I never learnt how to heel toe but I do rev match every down shift as a compromise.
Apparently the BRZ is not easiest car to learn how to heel toe.
You are a HOOT 🦉. love it.
Gotta say kinda love it! Personally I think it'll be a better choice than the GR yaris. I20N being only a fwd should be lighter and it being a I4 is better than a I3 due to the fact you can throw more torque on the rotation assembly when modifying such a car, before having to swap out cast internals for forged rods/piston set. And seriously awd/4wd isn't really needed for a daily driver that'll see a race track seldom in its life time.
19:30 Pirelli P Zero tires from Good Year I see?
He said the production car will have Pirellis. He stated several times that he was driving a pre-production version. Clearly, that car had Goodyears fitted.
@@sophdog1678 I know. But Good Years will have a different riding characteristic versus Pirellis so having Good Years fitted for a test drive might give a impression different from production reality. My remark was more satirical then serious if you could have read between the lines. Difficult since it was just one line ;-)
@@haerleduyn Master of understatement - "difficult" and then 4 sentences to explain your non existent satire - fail.
The sun is out. Now you have a reason to wear a cap.
Hot hatch driven gently but can't see why it wouldn't be as good as a different car by the same manufacturer, just finished watching another review of the i20n overseas and brakes weren't as good as the 30n according to the reviewer. They were also told they couldn't compare the car on track to other makes, l would've thought putting it up against something like the Fiesta ST would show how good it really is. Certainly doesn't have the crackle/pop and snarl of the little Fiesta which is half the fun or the chuckability from what I could see and hear, just not the same big smile on the drivers face or the giggles in the Hyundai.
Golf R and GTI does a pretty good job of this as well :)
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it is at odds with all the motoring journalists that have driven it regarding drive (and no one in Aust has yet as it is a year away from our shores)
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@@Mac-kd1qu Golf R with some options added lands at about 85k AUD 🤣
Anything on the MQB platform is boring. Lord knows my Octavia vRS is.
Not my experience and I have owned a lot of cars ... but each to their own or we would all be after the same ones.
I'll take mine in black with carbon fibre wrap over the red stripes thanks. cheers John.
John maybe you can put it up against the fiesta st when released ( if ford take your call 🤣 ) would be an interesting match up.
Well done!:)
That is a nice track.
It's an excellent road car track.
Because it’s probably lighter than the i30N it might actually have a bit better track endurance
I tried to find out if this car was allowed to be driven by P1 & P2 licensed drivers but the details are not yet available on the rms website
After watching this video I'd say it's not available to those classes of drivers?
John, I believe you said in another video that self driving cars would never be a reality but in this one you acknowledge the computer can do a better job
I made the point that cars in the future will work together with other vehicles and infrastructure
Self driving cars will come and they will ellipse most humans but like all technology, it will take time
The power to weight ratio is about ~126kw/ tonne. I don't know about other states, but in VIC the cut-off is 130kw/tonne for P platers
Bro is that having iMT?
Dear John,
Why am I Sofa King wee Tawded?
SDUFCW
Can u explain why Hyundai doesn't sell the i30n in America?
veloster
@@Yevvy0000 ugly
It's manual-only (for now) so they probably figured you wouldn't know how to operate it.
The American market is dominated by SUV's/ cross vehicles and "pick ups"
@@larryordine7542 You asked why, and velo is your answer.
What about the N fastback? Do you prefer it to the N hatchback?
There are EV chargers at the big merino?
No - they're up the other end of town.
Very much look foward to your review on the facelifted i30N DCT, AND it's reappearance on your website!
I'm ready when they are - they just keep not delivering it. It's probably a COVID chip-shortage delay.
@@AutoExpertJC tell me about it, i have one on order... the wait is quite literally killing me!
That must be very frustrating...
@@AutoExpertJC yeah, real world problems...
Are us Pommes due to get the baby N. We didn’t get the veloster.
You're right. It's not all that quick. It's slower than my 2005 Ibiza 1.9TDi with a little remap.
I bet my car spanks the i20 on mpg too 😁
I do have to live with a dumb diff though...
Oh i get the desire to drive fast, drive hard, and drive long, but not fast and hard on public streets. They're not called public racetracks for a reason, although many 'Murican drivers are completely unaware of that basic fact.
Great review John. Personally I’m looking into the new i30, but found out this week after talking to Hyundai that there will be no fastback in the auto/dct (if it ever arrives). I think the hatch will be too small (in the boot) for me as I need to carry a wheel chair in there permanently, leaves little room for anything else!
No fastback facelift but the i30 sedan N will arrive later in the year... that is the reason why no fastback facelift is coming our way. The i30N facelift should be arrive on our shores on July 31st
@@afrikengunner thanks for that. Do you know if that will be the same shape as the current N Line sedan?
I would not be surprised if they drop the Fastback, sadly.
@@AutoExpertJC a great shame. It’s a great looking car.
The new i30 N line sedan just doesn’t do it for me on the looks front.
Keep up the great content John. I’ll be in touch when we are ready to buy.
@@Alan_Garkle The Fastback is literally the best looking car Hyundai has ever made. I feel exactly the same way, itching for one with DCT. Ugh.
Driven the Fiesta ST to compare to this?
Id like to know too thanks.
You are speaking about a FORD product… some great cars (in the past) but the customer service is the worst I have experienced. Ever.
I own a ST and bought the i20N after a test drive. Accelerating whise both are pretty the same. I20N is a bit faster 0-100. 100-200 feel like the same time needed (both about 20s). Sound is MUCH better in the Hyundai. Chassis is better and hell it has Rev Match. Overall its a more complete car. Though ST3 seats are more comfy than the i20N seats for me. But thats the only point i would give to the ST.
Love the filter. It's like every Hollywood movie when it's set in Mexico.
I actually copied the LUT from Transformers. Love me some good Bayhem...
Did you say ‘N’ phatic?
Here in North America greatest theft deterrent is a standard...
I don't like suspension that whell should touch the asphalt, they don't have a good excursion and 0-100 is too high
Hyundai i20 N ! Well well that's interesting. Didn't know it was on the cards. Will this compete in sales with the Yaris GR and Fiesta ST...and beat them !
Manual is “more fun”; on top of that generation Y2K and Generation Z with a manual shift“Is a anti-car jacking device” ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Is America getting this I 20 N ?
Don't know - but you know you need it, right? All of civilisation needs this car.
@@AutoExpertJC I miss my 1990 Civic SI. Like wearing a car with a cape and flying around the curves. No electronic aids. Not even power steering. But super lite. Perfect shifter with stock Bridgestone RE 88 summer tires. This looks great.
Honda did some very cool 'Type R' cars in the 1990s that were not dissimilar, philosophically.
@@AutoExpertJC it was a factory version of a hot tuner Civic without the styling excesses or destroying the suspension.
And it was affordable. Commute on weekdays, race on the weekend.
Michelin had a special racing series for this in North America.
We put on their tires and raced in matched cars no mods except five point harness. Budget racing at the limit in a solid little rocket. So much better than the SCCA British junk I learned to race in.
If it hadn't been stolen I might still have it.
Hyundai should sponsor a racing series for its N cars.
@@larryordine7542 My 1991 Civic 3d 1,6i was also stolen... 😥
It was in great shape at 13 years old.
Where's the i30n?
Is that a mace or a maul?
Technically it's a steel ball on the end of a handle.
Nice video. Nice car.
I'm hoping they do an ioniq n. Just for those of us that want to convince the wifey this is economical car... Honest.
And I really don't want some Tesla death trap.
Heel-and-toe and rev matching is magical, when you get it right. I was driving my brother's Austin Healey Sprite, no synchro on first gear. Coming up to a roundabout, I down-changed to first and it just popped in, like silk, I didn't even think about it (if I had, I wouldn't have changed down until we were at a standstill), I just changed to first and then realised I got it in without it grinding. Amazing, when you get it right. My brother nearly freaked out! Another time, I had a Mini Metro as a rental, there wasn't enough foot room for me to use the clutch (long legs, big feet). I drove it over 600KM over back roads and only used the clutch on pulling away twice. Up change is a doddle, but down changes are always challenging. I probably got it silky-right about 40% and in-without-crunch about 90%.
And that is the difference, with the Hyundai electronics, as you say, it gets it silky-right, what, somewhere between 99% and 100% of the time?
The heel-toe is a right of passage...
John The Stig :) Great club workout too... BMW influence drifts back... 1970's Datsuns?
Yair, Used to be into racing gear changes... Did paddle shift DCT's, initially encounter F1 objections?
Re: Unfair advantage, over driver skill?
You didn't say if the i20N computer prevents over revved down shifts? Mech synchro block @ redline?
Seen the 3 pedals & stick.
Talking Sanskrit - Isn't the vanilla i20 made in India?
E-Diff? Invokes The Gunfight at OK Corral? How reliable would that be? Long Term?
ESC should also work for a living, assisting mech LSD, when needed?
Who cares? Born to Be Wild?
Hey bud, can you do a review on the golf R please
The folks at Volkswagen may have lost his number...
@10:23 You cant drive over ANYTHING in a Land Cruiser John. If the 1VD engine hasn't gone Charlie Sheen and sucked up a big heap of dust, then the lack of a rear LSD will ensure movement over nothing for that big $150K kick in the wedding vegetables!
As Phat Phuc the Happy Buddha used to say in Sanskrit, it's all about balance... abhyasa and vairagya. 😁🤣😋
He spoke Pali, home boy.
@@ManishSharma-ku7ij He is actually the laughing Buddha (Budai) and hails from China so probably spoke Chinese... and has been incorporated into Japanese Buddhism, Taoism. Shintoism and of course as Phat Phuc, which is the Vietnamese word for the Happy Buddha. 🙏😁😋
If Honda made a similar car today, it would be $50k.
Great EV shirt John
Hardly anyone commented on location, sadly. At least you saw right through me...
Sick
Totally.
Fully
Amazing. This reminds me of the 90s 205 GTI.
They fetch big bucks now.
Yeah - it's exactly fun like that. Only 25 years better...
@@AutoExpertJC would you say Hyundai made a fun,basic,small and affordable hot hatch?
Yeah - but it's actually a pretty serious performance car that's also track-ready in the way a lot of hot hatches are not.
@@AutoExpertJC excellent. Thanks for your response. Will have a proper look into. Craving proper little hot hatch. Have a pleasant day fella.
Hey John! Austrian pricelists say its an ESD and no mechanical :)
It's a mechanical LSD according to Hyundai.
@@AutoExpertJC www.hyundai.at/media/36451/hyundai-i20n-preisblatt-221_web.pdf clearly says E-LSD in europe 🤗 2nd Page mid right. Maybe the use a mechanical in australia and NZ, but I doubt
@@grantorino9049 I'm going off Hyundai's official press release on the car, plus verbal confirmation from the local PR boss. Both very clear about it being a mechanical LSD. (Not saying you are wrong, just letting you know the source for my info.)
@@AutoExpertJC u were totally wright mate. Its mechanical. We got our first i20N yesterday and checked it out:) its such a cool car!
Hope they can keep it under 35k.......
Question: How many Fat Caves 1.0 fit into Fat Cave 2.0?
Answer: All of them.
That's true. I ran that experiment.