Damn what a fantastic conclusion. It's so easy to forget Jojolion came out after a real, major calamity deeply affected Japan and then to tie it all back into the themes of the story and stick to it after an entire decade is such a powerful piece of writing that I'm sad got lost on me, and likely many others due to how far away from it's original context it got. Great video 10/10, I'm gonna go reread Jojolion now.
Toru has been alive for decades, thus memories are so abundant they lose meaning and now are nothing but tools for him to exploit. Josuke has been alive for months, so every little moment is precious. I think the people saying Toru is stuck in the past actually have it opposite.
Yeah it feels hard for someone with seemingly no emotional attachments to be stuck in the past. He always came off as his sole purpose to be working toward his future of superiority to humans.
I think it's just hard for most humans to understand a concept like that because none of us even have the chance to live long enough to have these feelings first hand, but I agree, once you've been alive long enough, memories and people start to mean less and less.
Poor Tom making Jobin bury the Lego replica was just a flex. It has no bearing on his actual stand whatsoever, he just wanted to see if Jobin was fool enough to go along with his request
My personal JoJolion theory is that Cato was meant to be the main antagonist. Since she has a Space themed Stand like Funny Valentine and was introduced in the middle. But Toru invaded the story, like a parasitic species, killed her son, and took the main villain spot for himself. Thats why Cato fighting in the last moment was so perfect for me.
I always considered Toru AND Wonder of U to be the main villains as SEPERATE entities, not just "Toru is the true main villain" or "Wonder of U is the true main villain." I'm glad somebody else finally talks about the characters like that, saying Part 8 only had one main villain always felt weird to me with how seperate and autonomous Toru and Wonder of U are despite being a stand and stand user.
I would even go further and posit that instead of Tooru or Wonder of U, the main antagonist is the force of Calamity itself. The opposing force to the Miracle of Josuke. Tooru is a villain on his own, like Damo or Jobin, but WoU is the vector for Calamity, Tooru is the avatar.
"Ozone Baby's dormant form appears as a near-exact replica of the LEGO Architecture White House 21006 set. However, the 1x1 studs used for the trees are instead replaced by a 1x1 round brick, with a cone piece on top of each 1x1, and the special 1x8 printed tile is instead a normal version of the piece." Araki and his writing process leave me scrathing my head sometimes.
The really ironic thing about what you said about Vince Gilligan being a master of the flashforward, is that he actually takes a very mangaka-esque approach to it in that he and his co-writers dont have the answer to what its foreshadowing to, he only figures it out later on 😂 the teddy bear scene is so specific youd figure he did have at least an idea, but according to him; NOPE. Same with the machine gun in S5, and apparently that in particular he wrote himself into a corner with and regretted doing it, but ended up pulling through.
Glad that you gave proper credit to Jobins entire point in the story. Many people just seem to gloss over the fact that his feud with Norisuke had been foreshadowed in every single flashback since his first one. With Jobin choosing the path of his mother Caato. Even tho Jobin died, Caato was able to forfill his goal of saving Tsurugi with the fruit. It’s ironic that the entire point of this path was to save Tsurugi without sacrifice. But in the end, breaking tradition still resulted with sacrifices, but this time double. Awesome video man! Glad we could get some actual good criticism on the part that isn’t just: “Toru bad cuz introduced to late.”
Not gonna lie, I really was straight up gaslit by Toru when he was Gaslighting Yasuho with the Phone charging speech, which is hilarious to me I love JoJolion so much already, thank you for making me appriciate it even more LOL Also man, I feel kinda dumb in retrospect misubderstanding him so much
The editing is popping off in this one. Having tried my hand at editing myself, I can see how much thought goes into the transition of the images, the thematic moving background, the sound design and so on. Not even to mention the quality of the analysis. This might be your best video
Dolomite's arc is probably going to be one of those fights where it will be massively improved in animation. That arc's pacing was grueling, anime will probably tighten the action scenes more.
As a person who loves to investigate about art movements and their meanings, the fact that it took this video for me to realize the deep connections between Wonder of U, Go Beyond and surrealism ( besides the obvious visual elements of course ) is both a bit embarrassing on my part lol and honestly just fucking awesome because of how great your explanation of the themes was. You made me love a stand that I already loved a whole lot even more now and you did made me consider a LOT of stuff I had not thought about with Toru. Great video man, keep up the awesome work!!
Thank you for finally making a good summary of the meaning behind his "dreams and memories" line; Its so weird how so many people understand the complete opposite of what he means when he's talking down on the heroes' motivations. If you do make these into smaller videos the Dreams and Memories topic should definitely be one of them
22:45 There are 2 things we know about the Locacaca organisation Its 2 wings operated mostly independently with one of its wings connected to Jobin(told to us by Holly) and Toru already knew about the plant appraiser as we have seen from the flashback(which means they didn't need to access Norisuke's phone) In fact, in chapter 60 it is conjectured by Josuke that the rock humans didn't know about the phone, but then they knew eventually and here's how: Once all of the Damokan group members were dealt with, the information about the new locacaca was leaked through Jobin to Dolomité and then to the hospital ward group's Urban Guerilla Urban Guerilla is said to have attacked plant appraiser even before Josuke boarded the bus Now since plant appraiser is the only one besides rock humans themselves that know how to locate the Locacaca branch, and since the hospital ward knows that Josuke knows too much(which is something that Dolomité feared), their main priorities were shown in the chapter: first kill the plant appraiser so that nobody else could locate the new locacaca and then kill Josuke, not just for avenging the Damokan group but probably because he is an active threat to their organisation and knows too much Also, they didn't follow around Josuke at all times, this is made quite clear as a result of the scenario as described above They seemed to either have followed Josuke or Jobin starting from chapter 59 Either way, they'd have ended up in the same position where they'd know about what exactly happened to Damokan group In short, Damo died which was probably the first cause of suspicion for the hospital ward Jobin got the info about Josuke and Norisuke talking with each other through Kaato Jobin then decided to find out what Josuke knew Jobin then leaked the info about the new locacaca's exchange to Dolomité to recruit him and get info from Josuke This was also the arc when it all leaked It is also made clear that Jobin was the first person they seemed to have went for since Poor Tom might have known about Jobin and his connection to smuggling operation, hence I think Tom sent out Guerilla to investigate during the Blue Lagoon arc which then lead to Josuke and Guerilla crossing paths seeking Rai Or perhaps they just followed where Josuke was taking them since he was the one that killed Damokan(though this seems less likely) They tried to eliminate this opposition but failed but Poor Tom was also looking forward to protecting the grafted branch So he contacted Jobin and placed Ozone Baby in the orchard, safeguarding his interest in the new Locacaca Considering this, it's clear that they're not an omniscient group, which is a relief considering just how many problems would have been caused if they were Hell, they barely knew about the shenanigans that the Damokan group got themselves into and it seems to also work the other way as Damaki doesn't seem to have known about their hospital involvement judging by what he said about trying to find out the main culprit and how difficult it proved(which wouldn't have been the case if he had known about Holy) I think the clear disconnect between the 2 halves of JoJoLion makes sense as the 2 groups have been not only shown but outright confirmed to have operated largely independently The Damokan didn't seem to know much about the hospital involvement and the hospital ward didn't seem to know about Damokan group's utter failure to handle the Locacaca leaks Considering just how little the hospital ward considers Damokan group to be, it is no surprise that stuff like this just didn't register on their radar, probably because Damo didn't tell them(I mean, he did mess in a big way, I don't see that going over well with the hospital ward) This is answering the 30:00-33:00 Moreover, this doesn't really need assumptions I only used what was stated outright in the manga to answer these Though we have no clue what information Tomoki actually received from his reconnaissance
I think it’s also telling, the detail that Rock Humans don’t work well together and tend to be antisocial/grow up independently. They already don’t really like each other and probably all act pretty selfishly even between each other. Also to use one assumption that would still avoid omniscience, they could have just had the plant appraiser flagged in a way that whenever someone looked up something about him, they could track the ip and get info from the device, much like what happens when you scan a dollar bill and the fbi calls you to make sure you’re not counterfeiting, or googling bombs and certain political topics.
cool analysis of tooru... ur indignation at people taking what he says at face value reminds me of how i feel about people legitimately saying that "kira had a point" when the ACTUAL point was that as part 4 progressed, we slowly saw how his "quiet life" philosophy was just an elaborate lie he came up with to justify/rationalize away his genuine sadism and desire to cause others pain actions speak louder than words, and i feel like in general araki enjoys having his villains show their "true colors" right before they die... looking past the surface level and understanding how characters like kira, valentine or tooru actually think beyond what they say out loud is super interesting
Despite my problems with Jojolion that final page with Yasuho looking back at the remaining family as she leaves still brings tears to my eyes. It may not have been the strongest plotwise or have been the best monthly read but the themes of family and going beyond calamity are done so beautifully that I wouldn't trade it for anything. Great video, my appreciation for the part has definitely grown after watching this retrospective.
2:33:08 This meme summarizes JoJolion so damn well it made the entire series worth making just so it can be inserted into the end Bravo 10/10 video
So I finally was able to watch through both Part 1 & now 2 of this series and I've got to say bro, this was fantastic. A wonderful review and retrospective of a part I spent over 5 years reading monthly. You reviews of each chapter were always a highlight and helped me appreciate this series more. Keep up the amazing bro as always!!!!1
the amount of work put into this video is nothing short of amazing. good fucking job man. this is a perfect send off for the weirdest and most fun part of jojo.
Despite the flaws of Part 8, I really loved reading this part. I had only heard hearsay about it for the last few years but finally binge-read it over like 3 days for Part 9's release. And when those powerful moments hit, they really hit. And Toru and WoU, who I had almost no knowledge on prior, surprisingly became a fast highlight of the part for me. WoU's stand design is by far one of my favorites and the moment Toru started singing and dancing to his own theme music while everyone is crying or screaming or dying at the Household instantly sold me on him. Excellent video and well worth the wait
Bravo man, incredible retrospective series. The surrealism interpretation of the wonder of you is so fascinating, and your interpretation of the message of the part nearly brought a tear to my eye. Thank you for making this.
I've been awaiting for the second part to this video for a while and it was all worth the wait. I think that what I can appreciate the most, is that through this analysis nothing seems to invalidate anyone's opinions and feelings on aspects of part 8, even when all is contextualized. As an example, while this video certainly is helping me understand the beauty behind the themes behind Tooru and Wonder of U, I don't think I'll ever be able to shake the distaste I have for them. The analysis is likely spot on, and I find a lot of what has been attempted and conceptualized truly commendable. But I found their execution so catastrophic that I grew resentement towards everything they represented. I don't think I'd ever wished so much that I could rewrite parts of a piece of fiction just to set things right. It truly felt like Wonder of U was rewriting its own rules as Josuke progressively found ways to circumvent them, which I interpreted as a form of power up that the stand never earned, since neither the stand or Tooru were evolving in any significant way shape or form. It simply felt like the stand was cheating, in a way. As for Go Beyond, I really could have gotten behind the idea of "To defeat something that cheats reality, you have to go beyond reality" since I find that when Araki is going profoundly abstract, his ideas are often very stimulating. But here it felt like nothing was any different from usual as far as josuke was concerned. There was neither an attempt at explaining the unexplainable, nor was there an attempt at showing what can't be shown. It simply happened, as it could have had at any other point. Even if the power behind Tusk Act 4 in itself makes very little sense, it at least does a great job at showing and explaining how the idea germinated inside the mind of the author. Go Beyond in comparison, makes little to no attempt to show how any of it is different from a regular stand attack. It's as if the author had suddenly decided "the hero will now be able to shoot the villain" and thus spoke Araki.
Go Beyond is a miracle, that's the point of it, one that is supposed to oppose Tooru's cold and materialistic logic, it has to be abstract and without a "logical" explanation. It's like complaining that in the Bible you can't wrap your head around how a guy could turn water into wine, the hole point is that you can't wrap your head around it, it wouldn't be a miracle otherwise.
@@doublel1503 it is a miracle in the same sense that Josuke's fusion is a miracle. But in the case of the fusion, you have clear visual indications of said miracle, an actor for said miracle (the ground they were buried under.) as well as a rough idea of what the process may have looked like. You could somewhat see the miracle of their fusion like grafting a branch. But Go Beyond has none of that. It lacks in style, effect, and execution. Some could say it's all balls but no cock.
@@SinderSoyl But, the miracle that gave birth to Josuke is the same one that gave birth to Go Beyond, Go Beyond has been there since the beginning as we can see in the first chapter, Josuke just wasn't aware of it's existence. They are both part of the cure that was brought into the world by fate to stop calamity. They are not to separate events, they are parts of the same process, that's why we get a flashback of Josefumi and Kira about to fuse during the reveal of Go Beyond.
Insanely good video! I was waiting for ages after the last part and the wait was worth it, thanks a lot for recontextualising and expanding on one of my fav parts
I will pay you outside of donating you do this fir part 7. Thank you for putting so much effort into these. Whoever did the opening animation is incredible too
I have yet to watch this, but I am so so glad the wait is finally over. I loved the first part and with every video xForts has dropped I’ve had to refrain from asking about the second part of this retrospective… I can’t wait for this, and thanks xForts for coming in clutch during this tough holiday time ❤
Yasuho is one of my favorite characters in the entire series, I really related a lot to her the deeper I got into the part as I followed the releases and her personal journey of self-actualization and rising out of the miseries of her past was very gratifying. Paisley Park was very much a reflection of her growth throughout and was one of my favorite powers to think about from the part.
amazing video man. the ending of this, overcoming calamity even in our own lives, really touched me. i hope we can all continue to persevere and grasp onto the hope that is there in the wake of calamity. i thought the second half of jojolion was kind of bad but after watching this, the contrast between the nihilistic reality versus surrealism and surrealist hope which are the intrinsic qualities of tooru/wonder of u and josuke himself, alongside soft and wet go beyond, were really interesting to see. it’s added a lot more meaning to jojolion that i would’ve never been able to see so thanks for making this amazing video :). can’t wait to see where the jojolands goes and i hope to see your amazing videos on it too :)
Loved this I have a lot of issues with JoJolion but I still thoroughly enjoyed it and this video was a wonderful watch. I particularly enjoyed your discussion about WOU's ties to surrealist art
Thank you for all of your hard work in putting together this awesome retrospective! Like a lot of western JoJo fans, JoJolion was my first time reading a part as it was ongoing. I actually caught up right around the start of Urban Guerilla, aka when a lot of the big criticisms started popping up within the community. I think the resulting discourse we saw in the part's final years is just an inherent aspect of any fandom's relationship with a work that's incomplete; you aren't sure where things are going, you make theories and have hopes and ideas, and it can be hard to avoid unfairly putting those expectations on the work/the author. My point being, I think a lot of us got swept up in the negatives and the inconsistencies, the could-have-beens, that the overall thematic beauty of the part got a little lost in it all. My opinion on Wonder of U as an arc has become more positive over time and with new rereads, but initially the ending of that fight left me unsatisfied. And a lot of those criticisms I still stand by, but when I read that final chapter it hit me like a ton of bricks and I bawled my eyes out. All of the gripes left my mind in the face of such a great thematic conclusion. And this retrospective series really helped me, as I hope it does for others, remember JoJolion for all of its positives, because they greatly outway the negatives imo
I realize that not all the parts are as long or substantive as part 8, but I'd love for you to give your in-depth thoughts, feelings, and interpretations of the other parts as well. JoJolion is definitely much more divisive and ofc newer than all of the other parts, so there's less of a common consensus as to what value it brings to the table, thus feeling more fitting for this sort of thing, but you always pose such nuanced and insightful takes regarding this series and I'd love to hear your more or less comprehensive thoughts on everything at some point or another. Even if we never get that though, this retrospective has been a treat and has even opened my eyes to certain aspects of the part which i hadn't previously considered. Wonderful work !
The connection to Wonder of U and surrealism is my favourite analysis of this stand that I've seen so far! I think it really show's Araki's progression and experimentation as an author/artist (and auteur overall!) He's always trying something new and you gotta respect that from someone who's been working on Jojo since the 80s 👏👏
11:26- Sure Norisuke would condemn her for doing it and ask for forgiveness for the bully's actions even he doesn't deserve it, but at the same time, Kaato would die and Jobin would likely still be a victim of the bully's antics until it got worse and Norisuke just accepted it as fate. It's definitely something that builds up to their karma of unscrupulous actions that leads to their deaths as they continue to justify it even it leads to more devastating issues on the family, but the initial reasoning and intended future definitely not as bad as typical Jojo baddies doing it for the evulz- making more murky as it did lead to Jobin having a son that ultimately did play a big role in defeating the major cause of their family's misfortune as did Kaato's actions so it balances out even if it's not the typical Jojo miraculous solutions of justice that solved it.
I’m surprised during the Go Beyond section, you didn’t mention that it wasn’t just go beyond, but Yasuho using Paisley Park to guide GB to Toru that ended up mortally wounding him. I feel like that fits perfectly of love going against Toru’s ideology, and it being the thing that defeats him in the end. (Also just a sweet way to tie up Josuke and Yasuho’s romance). Great video regardless!
Absolute masterpiece of a retrospective so I'm leaving more comments as I watch 🤣 I love how you pointed out the parallel between SBR's fatherhood themes and motherhood in jojolion!!! I've always found the themes of family and lineage to be such a unique aspect of jjba and I'm excited to see how jojolands expands on this with the siblings dynamic 🥰
Hey man, good job and thank you for making this video, like many I was very disapponted with how Araki ended Jojolion, you video helped me view the manga from another prespective, the thematics, some hidden references, the motivations of Tooru and much more... personally for me Part 8 will still remain one of the weakest Part in all Jojo, with the untapped potential of many of his wonderful characters, but overall it was a fun and interesting manga to read, thanks again for helping with the summerization and the highlighting of moments that if was not for you video I would have forget them.
Amazing videos, perfectly encapsulates my feelings on this wonderful part my favorite part, I'm a sucker for JOJOLION and it's themes and Josuke himself. Being a part of the community during the ending of Jojolion was insane.
10 months later, I have to thank you for your analysis of Jojolion. Your part 1 almost a year ago made me reconsider trying it again after placing it firmly in the middle of my rankings. It now ranks as my favorite after finishing my 3rd read through as of watching this 2nd part of your retrospective. Very fitting that both happened the same day, thank you and I hope to see more from you 🙏🏻 ❤
Hell yeah part 2 is finally here. I’ve rewatched part 1 a few times wondering if this would ever happen this is gonna be a great night. Jojolion is my favorite part I’ll always take more videos about it especially long ones. Yasuho is also one of my favorite characters in all of jojo we needed more of her relationship with gappy
i love your way of presenting panels with a background that fits the theme of Jojolion, i extremely love Jojo as a whole but my god part 8 as so many issues lol and even part 7 has its fairshare of issues too. also the OzonBaby stand that comes out the whitehouse is just an illusion, the lego whitehouse is the actual stand tho i do got questions about that too lol.
I think it was in an author note or maybe an interview, but I once read that Araki wanted to create a part where there would not be a major villain. If I recall correctly, he wanted to do that for the "first" Morioh in DIU, but Kira still took the role of main antagonist. I think with Jojolion, he finally achieved that goal of not really having a main villain, but more like a group of villains that succeed each other. I am not saying it was executed perfectly and that the story is coherent everywhere, I just think it's nice to see Araki managed to realize that idea. I like it, it's a nice change from the other parts That aside, thank you for all your work on this 2 parts retrospective ! I love how you included context for the writing and theme of Jojolion (after a decade, it can be easy for us foreigners to forget where it all comes from) as well as analysis on surrealism and what tie the characters together. 10/10, and shoutout to the people who also did many fanwork like OST, openings, theories... What a great community
Incredible video, I've come to love jojos more and more through these magnificently edited and produced videos of yours and this one is no exception ❤️
this is your best video yet king, I didn't enjoy jojolion as much as I thought I would. However I liked the themes and vibes of it. Gappy was someone without memories trying to figure out why he exists and find his place in the world. Bro ended up with family despite calamity and all the obstacles he had to face, which reminds me of the core theme of jojo, humanity can shine on and defeat evil.
finally part 2! i love your analysis of the wonder of you arc - i remember when jobin died people were in absolute denial for months but tbh, i always thought it not only gave jobin an alright ending (considering tje other option would probably have been josuke killing him in front of the family) but also definitively setting wou's power up as absolutely insane
I’ve always loved JoJo as an art piece. I really like the line you made about how it’s a story that demands interaction from the audience. In my eyes, any good art piece requires interpretation and isn’t 100% discrete in its meaning, and to me, all of JoJo’s is like that. That’s why to me, JoJo’s goes beyond from just being one of the best mangas/anime, but one of the best art pieces of all time (even if most of it doesn’t make sense)
PEAK analysis. gave me a completely new perspective on jojolion's second half and managed to make me love it for what it tried to do, even if it did it in a really, REALLY messy way.
2:19:46 Holy herself has mentioned that even Tamai Damo's group had no idea what purpose they've been actually serving for. She said they were meere dealers who get money and test the fruits on some randoms
What's interesting to note is that Holy has been under effect of her disease for close to a decade to some extent So that should've been enough to figure a few things out Though we never actually saw it
It's very ambitious even though there are several points that aren't truly followed up or explored completely, it was still fascinating. Hopefully Part 9 will manage to improve on Part 8's example.
Fantastic video, despite all the valid criticisms for some reason i find myself appreciating jojolion even more. Especially when you explore surrealism
I hope that in the far future, when this is adapted to anime, a lot of changes are made for the better. I know, for the most part, David production has been pretty faithful, but a mix of small and some more substantial changes with new foresight could do WONDERS.
What's interesting is that since Steel Ball Run, Arabic had incorporated scientific theorems into the Main jojo's abilities. with Johnny it is the Golden Ratio with the infinite spin whereas for Josuke it is the Theory of Relativity, specifically the idea that the closer an object approaches the speed of light the thinner it will become gradually approaching zero (ie, something that no longer exists in a scientific sense)
finished the video and have to say well done. Jojolion is my favorite part despite the terrible story beats/logic/retcons etc.. because it still has imo the best art, stands, themes, character arcs, and perhaps most importantly, the risks it takes. For me it feels like its the culmination of everything Jojo has worked towards thematically and is so powerfully portrayed through Josuke's arc. There's so much more to talk about that spans longer than a youtube comment should be, which is also why I like it so much, even if those things are detrimental to the part. So, here's to more Jojolion haunting us for better or worse in the future, as we must bear this curse.
I mean, important thing to note is that parts of JJBA are not written in vacuum and they all somehow connect to each other and Tsurugi is in Jojolion rather young person with a lot of future. I'm curious if all that crazy stuff happening to him will be explained in Jojolands or hell, even in theoretical part X or some side stories.
The section playing the instrumental version of “Signs of Love” from Persona 4 was so distracting because I kept playing the lyrics in my head but that’s probably just me, amazing video!!
The reason I watch this channel is because you point out the less obvious plots of Jojo. I am simple minded so even tho I agree with your criticism completely I really like the power he exhibited, he was fighting a family of Stand Users all at once and up until Go Beyond, Toruu had the upper hand. He was calm through out 90% of the fight in a way a lot of villains in Jojo haven’t been. It felt like instead of having overconfidence he had faith in calamity. Which makes him stand out to me. Every other villain knew to be aware or careful with other Jojos , Kira hiding from Josuke after his first encounter, Dio fearing Jonathan and Jotaro using techniques that counter them, Pucci being the most cautious antagonist in my opinion, and President Valentine still being careful with how he uses his stand because even tho he is hard to kill it is not impossible and he strategizes. Toruu felt like an impossible obstacle that would require a miracle and unluckily for Toruu that’s exactly was Josuke is
Couldn't agree more. People regularly are looking at specific boxes that need to be checked in order to enjoy something instead of viewing the art on its own merits. Not to say that they shouldn't criticize but they should atleast acknowledge where the artist is coming from and not immediately reject everything about it.
Just to make sure I understand you. Are you saying that Toru & wonder of u aren't 'true' to the core of surrealism and act more as attempts to be surreal. If so I was considering the same thing, it's strange how WoU has connections to surrealism which is described as overcoming logic despite its general ability is to utilize logic; this could add to the relationship between Josuke and WoU as WoU, despite appearing to surreal i.e. overcoming logic still has its ability be based in logic (manipulating the flow of calamity) while josuke has completely overcome logic with his go beyond
I fell asleep watching jojos content, and I woke up to roughly the end of this. I don't even know what else I was watching because I definitely went through some other videos before I woke up at 3am ish.
Genuinely I feel like, when the stand like energy is shown is the panels when Josuke is staring downward at the head doctor in the stairwell that thats Wonder of U’s ability activating to directly mark Josuke in the flow of calamity at that moment
Damn what a fantastic conclusion. It's so easy to forget Jojolion came out after a real, major calamity deeply affected Japan and then to tie it all back into the themes of the story and stick to it after an entire decade is such a powerful piece of writing that I'm sad got lost on me, and likely many others due to how far away from it's original context it got. Great video 10/10, I'm gonna go reread Jojolion now.
Toru has been alive for decades, thus memories are so abundant they lose meaning and now are nothing but tools for him to exploit. Josuke has been alive for months, so every little moment is precious. I think the people saying Toru is stuck in the past actually have it opposite.
Yeah it feels hard for someone with seemingly no emotional attachments to be stuck in the past. He always came off as his sole purpose to be working toward his future of superiority to humans.
I think it's just hard for most humans to understand a concept like that because none of us even have the chance to live long enough to have these feelings first hand, but I agree, once you've been alive long enough, memories and people start to mean less and less.
Poor Tom making Jobin bury the Lego replica was just a flex. It has no bearing on his actual stand whatsoever, he just wanted to see if Jobin was fool enough to go along with his request
It was a flex on Araki's part. He just wanted to demonstrate that he could illustrate a Lego set in all its minute detail.
@@nick-playercharacter8583 the art still holds up. Araki remains undefeated in a competition no one was even aware of.
Wait holy shit tom jobin
@@user-kg2lp8jz2rlowkey wish there was an ‘m’ in place of the ‘n’ in Jobin lmao
My personal JoJolion theory is that Cato was meant to be the main antagonist. Since she has a Space themed Stand like Funny Valentine and was introduced in the middle.
But Toru invaded the story, like a parasitic species, killed her son, and took the main villain spot for himself. Thats why Cato fighting in the last moment was so perfect for me.
Imagine Cato having Wonder of U instead
Oh man. I just realize we never had female as main antagonist. I wish Araki would do this in part 9. Part 9 rumored to be the last JoJo part 😟
@@storagecrafter5701it is the last JoJo part. Araki is in his 60’s and made it official jojolands is the conclusion to the AU
@@tiptaphooves that’d be cool. But I love Space Trucking way more. Also, I find it adorable that Cato and her son both have Deep Purple Stands.
@@wonderofu230 When did he say Part 9 is the conclusion? In May 2022 he explicitly said "I would like to keep writing JoJo forever"
I always considered Toru AND Wonder of U to be the main villains as SEPERATE entities, not just "Toru is the true main villain" or "Wonder of U is the true main villain." I'm glad somebody else finally talks about the characters like that, saying Part 8 only had one main villain always felt weird to me with how seperate and autonomous Toru and Wonder of U are despite being a stand and stand user.
I would even go further and posit that instead of Tooru or Wonder of U, the main antagonist is the force of Calamity itself. The opposing force to the Miracle of Josuke. Tooru is a villain on his own, like Damo or Jobin, but WoU is the vector for Calamity, Tooru is the avatar.
"Ozone Baby's dormant form appears as a near-exact replica of the LEGO Architecture White House 21006 set. However, the 1x1 studs used for the trees are instead replaced by a 1x1 round brick, with a cone piece on top of each 1x1, and the special 1x8 printed tile is instead a normal version of the piece."
Araki and his writing process leave me scrathing my head sometimes.
I always like referring to Mamezuku’s ability as peeling because of the connection to fruit
The really ironic thing about what you said about Vince Gilligan being a master of the flashforward, is that he actually takes a very mangaka-esque approach to it in that he and his co-writers dont have the answer to what its foreshadowing to, he only figures it out later on 😂 the teddy bear scene is so specific youd figure he did have at least an idea, but according to him; NOPE. Same with the machine gun in S5, and apparently that in particular he wrote himself into a corner with and regretted doing it, but ended up pulling through.
Glad that you gave proper credit to Jobins entire point in the story. Many people just seem to gloss over the fact that his feud with Norisuke had been foreshadowed in every single flashback since his first one. With Jobin choosing the path of his mother Caato. Even tho Jobin died, Caato was able to forfill his goal of saving Tsurugi with the fruit.
It’s ironic that the entire point of this path was to save Tsurugi without sacrifice. But in the end, breaking tradition still resulted with sacrifices, but this time double.
Awesome video man! Glad we could get some actual good criticism on the part that isn’t just: “Toru bad cuz introduced to late.”
Not gonna lie, I really was straight up gaslit by Toru when he was Gaslighting Yasuho with the Phone charging speech, which is hilarious to me
I love JoJolion so much already, thank you for making me appriciate it even more LOL
Also man, I feel kinda dumb in retrospect misubderstanding him so much
Jojolion is my favorite part.
The amount of hype at the ending is crazy.
The editing is popping off in this one. Having tried my hand at editing myself, I can see how much thought goes into the transition of the images, the thematic moving background, the sound design and so on. Not even to mention the quality of the analysis. This might be your best video
Thank you so much 😊
Will probably take me a few days to watch all this but I already know this will be incredible ❤️
Dolomite's arc is probably going to be one of those fights where it will be massively improved in animation. That arc's pacing was grueling, anime will probably tighten the action scenes more.
As a person who loves to investigate about art movements and their meanings, the fact that it took this video for me to realize the deep connections between Wonder of U, Go Beyond and surrealism ( besides the obvious visual elements of course ) is both a bit embarrassing on my part lol and honestly just fucking awesome because of how great your explanation of the themes was. You made me love a stand that I already loved a whole lot even more now and you did made me consider a LOT of stuff I had not thought about with Toru.
Great video man, keep up the awesome work!!
Thank you for finally making a good summary of the meaning behind his "dreams and memories" line; Its so weird how so many people understand the complete opposite of what he means when he's talking down on the heroes' motivations. If you do make these into smaller videos the Dreams and Memories topic should definitely be one of them
I am always down for late-game Jobin analysis. Such a peak character.
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There are 2 things we know about the Locacaca organisation
Its 2 wings operated mostly independently with one of its wings connected to Jobin(told to us by Holly)
and
Toru already knew about the plant appraiser as we have seen from the flashback(which means they didn't need to access Norisuke's phone)
In fact, in chapter 60 it is conjectured by Josuke that the rock humans didn't know about the phone, but then they knew eventually and here's how:
Once all of the Damokan group members were dealt with, the information about the new locacaca was leaked through Jobin to Dolomité and then to the hospital ward group's Urban Guerilla
Urban Guerilla is said to have attacked plant appraiser even before Josuke boarded the bus
Now since plant appraiser is the only one besides rock humans themselves that know how to locate the Locacaca branch, and since the hospital ward knows that Josuke knows too much(which is something that Dolomité feared), their main priorities were shown in the chapter: first kill the plant appraiser so that nobody else could locate the new locacaca and then kill Josuke, not just for avenging the Damokan group but probably because he is an active threat to their organisation and knows too much
Also, they didn't follow around Josuke at all times, this is made quite clear as a result of the scenario as described above
They seemed to either have followed Josuke or Jobin starting from chapter 59
Either way, they'd have ended up in the same position where they'd know about what exactly happened to Damokan group
In short, Damo died which was probably the first cause of suspicion for the hospital ward
Jobin got the info about Josuke and Norisuke talking with each other through Kaato
Jobin then decided to find out what Josuke knew
Jobin then leaked the info about the new locacaca's exchange to Dolomité to recruit him and get info from Josuke
This was also the arc when it all leaked
It is also made clear that Jobin was the first person they seemed to have went for since Poor Tom might have known about Jobin and his connection to smuggling operation, hence I think Tom sent out Guerilla to investigate during the Blue Lagoon arc which then lead to Josuke and Guerilla crossing paths seeking Rai
Or perhaps they just followed where Josuke was taking them since he was the one that killed Damokan(though this seems less likely)
They tried to eliminate this opposition but failed but Poor Tom was also looking forward to protecting the grafted branch
So he contacted Jobin and placed Ozone Baby in the orchard, safeguarding his interest in the new Locacaca
Considering this, it's clear that they're not an omniscient group, which is a relief considering just how many problems would have been caused if they were
Hell, they barely knew about the shenanigans that the Damokan group got themselves into and it seems to also work the other way as Damaki doesn't seem to have known about their hospital involvement judging by what he said about trying to find out the main culprit and how difficult it proved(which wouldn't have been the case if he had known about Holy)
I think the clear disconnect between the 2 halves of JoJoLion makes sense as the 2 groups have been not only shown but outright confirmed to have operated largely independently
The Damokan didn't seem to know much about the hospital involvement and the hospital ward didn't seem to know about Damokan group's utter failure to handle the Locacaca leaks
Considering just how little the hospital ward considers Damokan group to be, it is no surprise that stuff like this just didn't register on their radar, probably because Damo didn't tell them(I mean, he did mess in a big way, I don't see that going over well with the hospital ward)
This is answering the 30:00-33:00
Moreover, this doesn't really need assumptions
I only used what was stated outright in the manga to answer these
Though we have no clue what information Tomoki actually received from his reconnaissance
I think it’s also telling, the detail that Rock Humans don’t work well together and tend to be antisocial/grow up independently. They already don’t really like each other and probably all act pretty selfishly even between each other. Also to use one assumption that would still avoid omniscience, they could have just had the plant appraiser flagged in a way that whenever someone looked up something about him, they could track the ip and get info from the device, much like what happens when you scan a dollar bill and the fbi calls you to make sure you’re not counterfeiting, or googling bombs and certain political topics.
WE SEATED, for the best 2 part Jojolion retrospective Video of all time 🫡🫡
cool analysis of tooru... ur indignation at people taking what he says at face value reminds me of how i feel about people legitimately saying that "kira had a point" when the ACTUAL point was that as part 4 progressed, we slowly saw how his "quiet life" philosophy was just an elaborate lie he came up with to justify/rationalize away his genuine sadism and desire to cause others pain
actions speak louder than words, and i feel like in general araki enjoys having his villains show their "true colors" right before they die... looking past the surface level and understanding how characters like kira, valentine or tooru actually think beyond what they say out loud is super interesting
Despite my problems with Jojolion that final page with Yasuho looking back at the remaining family as she leaves still brings tears to my eyes. It may not have been the strongest plotwise or have been the best monthly read but the themes of family and going beyond calamity are done so beautifully that I wouldn't trade it for anything. Great video, my appreciation for the part has definitely grown after watching this retrospective.
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This meme summarizes JoJolion so damn well it made the entire series worth making just so it can be inserted into the end
Bravo 10/10 video
So I finally was able to watch through both Part 1 & now 2 of this series and I've got to say bro, this was fantastic. A wonderful review and retrospective of a part I spent over 5 years reading monthly. You reviews of each chapter were always a highlight and helped me appreciate this series more. Keep up the amazing bro as always!!!!1
the amount of work put into this video is nothing short of amazing. good fucking job man. this is a perfect send off for the weirdest and most fun part of jojo.
This video explains exactly what’s beautiful about Jojolion.
Despite the flaws of Part 8, I really loved reading this part. I had only heard hearsay about it for the last few years but finally binge-read it over like 3 days for Part 9's release. And when those powerful moments hit, they really hit. And Toru and WoU, who I had almost no knowledge on prior, surprisingly became a fast highlight of the part for me. WoU's stand design is by far one of my favorites and the moment Toru started singing and dancing to his own theme music while everyone is crying or screaming or dying at the Household instantly sold me on him.
Excellent video and well worth the wait
Bravo man, incredible retrospective series. The surrealism interpretation of the wonder of you is so fascinating, and your interpretation of the message of the part nearly brought a tear to my eye. Thank you for making this.
I've been awaiting for the second part to this video for a while and it was all worth the wait. I think that what I can appreciate the most, is that through this analysis nothing seems to invalidate anyone's opinions and feelings on aspects of part 8, even when all is contextualized. As an example, while this video certainly is helping me understand the beauty behind the themes behind Tooru and Wonder of U, I don't think I'll ever be able to shake the distaste I have for them.
The analysis is likely spot on, and I find a lot of what has been attempted and conceptualized truly commendable. But I found their execution so catastrophic that I grew resentement towards everything they represented. I don't think I'd ever wished so much that I could rewrite parts of a piece of fiction just to set things right. It truly felt like Wonder of U was rewriting its own rules as Josuke progressively found ways to circumvent them, which I interpreted as a form of power up that the stand never earned, since neither the stand or Tooru were evolving in any significant way shape or form. It simply felt like the stand was cheating, in a way. As for Go Beyond, I really could have gotten behind the idea of "To defeat something that cheats reality, you have to go beyond reality" since I find that when Araki is going profoundly abstract, his ideas are often very stimulating. But here it felt like nothing was any different from usual as far as josuke was concerned.
There was neither an attempt at explaining the unexplainable, nor was there an attempt at showing what can't be shown. It simply happened, as it could have had at any other point. Even if the power behind Tusk Act 4 in itself makes very little sense, it at least does a great job at showing and explaining how the idea germinated inside the mind of the author. Go Beyond in comparison, makes little to no attempt to show how any of it is different from a regular stand attack. It's as if the author had suddenly decided "the hero will now be able to shoot the villain" and thus spoke Araki.
Go Beyond is a miracle, that's the point of it, one that is supposed to oppose Tooru's cold and materialistic logic, it has to be abstract and without a "logical" explanation.
It's like complaining that in the Bible you can't wrap your head around how a guy could turn water into wine, the hole point is that you can't wrap your head around it, it wouldn't be a miracle otherwise.
@@doublel1503 it is a miracle in the same sense that Josuke's fusion is a miracle. But in the case of the fusion, you have clear visual indications of said miracle, an actor for said miracle (the ground they were buried under.) as well as a rough idea of what the process may have looked like. You could somewhat see the miracle of their fusion like grafting a branch. But Go Beyond has none of that. It lacks in style, effect, and execution. Some could say it's all balls but no cock.
@@SinderSoyl But, the miracle that gave birth to Josuke is the same one that gave birth to Go Beyond, Go Beyond has been there since the beginning as we can see in the first chapter, Josuke just wasn't aware of it's existence. They are both part of the cure that was brought into the world by fate to stop calamity. They are not to separate events, they are parts of the same process, that's why we get a flashback of Josefumi and Kira about to fuse during the reveal of Go Beyond.
Man, what a video. This is the gold standard for Jojo video essays at this point going forward. Xforts really went beyond on this one ❤
Insanely good video! I was waiting for ages after the last part and the wait was worth it, thanks a lot for recontextualising and expanding on one of my fav parts
I will pay you outside of donating you do this fir part 7. Thank you for putting so much effort into these.
Whoever did the opening animation is incredible too
I have yet to watch this, but I am so so glad the wait is finally over. I loved the first part and with every video xForts has dropped I’ve had to refrain from asking about the second part of this retrospective… I can’t wait for this, and thanks xForts for coming in clutch during this tough holiday time ❤
Bro more than 2h rétrospective on jojolion ? You made my day man. Works gonna be easy today ! Thanks fot the hard work you put in these video !
Yasuho is one of my favorite characters in the entire series, I really related a lot to her the deeper I got into the part as I followed the releases and her personal journey of self-actualization and rising out of the miseries of her past was very gratifying. Paisley Park was very much a reflection of her growth throughout and was one of my favorite powers to think about from the part.
your research and contributions is crazy. i love this video. its clear with this editing you took your time. this is cool. good vid
This was a great video! Really enhanced my appreciation for this part. Well made
amazing video man. the ending of this, overcoming calamity even in our own lives, really touched me. i hope we can all continue to persevere and grasp onto the hope that is there in the wake of calamity. i thought the second half of jojolion was kind of bad but after watching this, the contrast between the nihilistic reality versus surrealism and surrealist hope which are the intrinsic qualities of tooru/wonder of u and josuke himself, alongside soft and wet go beyond, were really interesting to see. it’s added a lot more meaning to jojolion that i would’ve never been able to see so thanks for making this amazing video :). can’t wait to see where the jojolands goes and i hope to see your amazing videos on it too :)
Loved this
I have a lot of issues with JoJolion but I still thoroughly enjoyed it and this video was a wonderful watch. I particularly enjoyed your discussion about WOU's ties to surrealist art
Thank you for all of your hard work in putting together this awesome retrospective!
Like a lot of western JoJo fans, JoJolion was my first time reading a part as it was ongoing. I actually caught up right around the start of Urban Guerilla, aka when a lot of the big criticisms started popping up within the community. I think the resulting discourse we saw in the part's final years is just an inherent aspect of any fandom's relationship with a work that's incomplete; you aren't sure where things are going, you make theories and have hopes and ideas, and it can be hard to avoid unfairly putting those expectations on the work/the author. My point being, I think a lot of us got swept up in the negatives and the inconsistencies, the could-have-beens, that the overall thematic beauty of the part got a little lost in it all.
My opinion on Wonder of U as an arc has become more positive over time and with new rereads, but initially the ending of that fight left me unsatisfied. And a lot of those criticisms I still stand by, but when I read that final chapter it hit me like a ton of bricks and I bawled my eyes out. All of the gripes left my mind in the face of such a great thematic conclusion. And this retrospective series really helped me, as I hope it does for others, remember JoJolion for all of its positives, because they greatly outway the negatives imo
I realize that not all the parts are as long or substantive as part 8, but I'd love for you to give your in-depth thoughts, feelings, and interpretations of the other parts as well. JoJolion is definitely much more divisive and ofc newer than all of the other parts, so there's less of a common consensus as to what value it brings to the table, thus feeling more fitting for this sort of thing, but you always pose such nuanced and insightful takes regarding this series and I'd love to hear your more or less comprehensive thoughts on everything at some point or another. Even if we never get that though, this retrospective has been a treat and has even opened my eyes to certain aspects of the part which i hadn't previously considered. Wonderful work !
This deserves so many more views, this series is amazing
The connection to Wonder of U and surrealism is my favourite analysis of this stand that I've seen so far! I think it really show's Araki's progression and experimentation as an author/artist (and auteur overall!) He's always trying something new and you gotta respect that from someone who's been working on Jojo since the 80s 👏👏
11:26- Sure Norisuke would condemn her for doing it and ask for forgiveness for the bully's actions even he doesn't deserve it, but at the same time, Kaato would die and Jobin would likely still be a victim of the bully's antics until it got worse and Norisuke just accepted it as fate. It's definitely something that builds up to their karma of unscrupulous actions that leads to their deaths as they continue to justify it even it leads to more devastating issues on the family, but the initial reasoning and intended future definitely not as bad as typical Jojo baddies doing it for the evulz- making more murky as it did lead to Jobin having a son that ultimately did play a big role in defeating the major cause of their family's misfortune as did Kaato's actions so it balances out even if it's not the typical Jojo miraculous solutions of justice that solved it.
You did an excellent job with these 2 videos. I enjoyed so much your retrospective of one of my favorite Parts.
This video and the one preceding it were incredibly well made and well said. Thank you so very much.
persona music makes my heart warm, great videos as always! I genuinely think this and part one are some of the best manga videos on the platform.
This was absolutely fantastic. Thanks for this 😭 Jojolion is my favorite part even with how chaotic it is and this just adds to why.
FINALLY! Been looking forward to this one for a while. Late Part 8 was such a love hate relationship for me, can’t wait to see what you think of it
I’m surprised during the Go Beyond section, you didn’t mention that it wasn’t just go beyond, but Yasuho using Paisley Park to guide GB to Toru that ended up mortally wounding him.
I feel like that fits perfectly of love going against Toru’s ideology, and it being the thing that defeats him in the end. (Also just a sweet way to tie up Josuke and Yasuho’s romance).
Great video regardless!
Absolute masterpiece of a retrospective so I'm leaving more comments as I watch 🤣 I love how you pointed out the parallel between SBR's fatherhood themes and motherhood in jojolion!!! I've always found the themes of family and lineage to be such a unique aspect of jjba and I'm excited to see how jojolands expands on this with the siblings dynamic 🥰
I literally just rewatched the first part for like the fifth time and was like "damn i can't WAIT for pt2" thank youuu for reading my mind
Thanks, Xforts. This was awesome stuff
Her closing the elevator on that old lady is one of the funniest panels in all of jojos for me
I have been waiting for this for so long. So hyped to watch
Hey man, good job and thank you for making this video, like many I was very disapponted with how Araki ended Jojolion, you video helped me view the manga from another prespective, the thematics, some hidden references, the motivations of Tooru and much more... personally for me Part 8 will still remain one of the weakest Part in all Jojo, with the untapped potential of many of his wonderful characters, but overall it was a fun and interesting manga to read, thanks again for helping with the summerization and the highlighting of moments that if was not for you video I would have forget them.
Dude, thank you so much. I’ve been waiting.
Amazing videos, perfectly encapsulates my feelings on this wonderful part my favorite part, I'm a sucker for JOJOLION and it's themes and Josuke himself.
Being a part of the community during the ending of Jojolion was insane.
I love jojolion so much, even though it may not have been written perfectly it still is able to get its message across is a beutiful way
10 months later, I have to thank you for your analysis of Jojolion. Your part 1 almost a year ago made me reconsider trying it again after placing it firmly in the middle of my rankings. It now ranks as my favorite after finishing my 3rd read through as of watching this 2nd part of your retrospective. Very fitting that both happened the same day, thank you and I hope to see more from you 🙏🏻 ❤
I really enjoyed this series! It has both validated my own complex feelings about the part, while also helping me appreciate the themes in a new way!
Hell yeah part 2 is finally here. I’ve rewatched part 1 a few times wondering if this would ever happen this is gonna be a great night. Jojolion is my favorite part I’ll always take more videos about it especially long ones. Yasuho is also one of my favorite characters in all of jojo we needed more of her relationship with gappy
i love your way of presenting panels with a background that fits the theme of Jojolion, i extremely love Jojo as a whole but my god part 8 as so many issues lol and even part 7 has its fairshare of issues too. also the OzonBaby stand that comes out the whitehouse is just an illusion, the lego whitehouse is the actual stand tho i do got questions about that too lol.
This is cinema! Appreciate all you do
Just want to say, you are an absolute legend for using the TWEWY Neo OST. That game's soundtrack slaps.
I think it was in an author note or maybe an interview, but I once read that Araki wanted to create a part where there would not be a major villain. If I recall correctly, he wanted to do that for the "first" Morioh in DIU, but Kira still took the role of main antagonist. I think with Jojolion, he finally achieved that goal of not really having a main villain, but more like a group of villains that succeed each other. I am not saying it was executed perfectly and that the story is coherent everywhere, I just think it's nice to see Araki managed to realize that idea. I like it, it's a nice change from the other parts
That aside, thank you for all your work on this 2 parts retrospective ! I love how you included context for the writing and theme of Jojolion (after a decade, it can be easy for us foreigners to forget where it all comes from) as well as analysis on surrealism and what tie the characters together. 10/10, and shoutout to the people who also did many fanwork like OST, openings, theories... What a great community
Incredible video, I've come to love jojos more and more through these magnificently edited and produced videos of yours and this one is no exception ❤️
this is your best video yet king, I didn't enjoy jojolion as much as I thought I would. However I liked the themes and vibes of it. Gappy was someone without memories trying to figure out why he exists and find his place in the world. Bro ended up with family despite calamity and all the obstacles he had to face, which reminds me of the core theme of jojo, humanity can shine on and defeat evil.
This video goes beyond perfection!
Man... I'm sure I'll post more of these, but I gotta say: I love how you tied in the themes surrounding the earthquake at the end. Really well done.
finally part 2!
i love your analysis of the wonder of you arc - i remember when jobin died people were in absolute denial for months but tbh, i always thought it not only gave jobin an alright ending (considering tje other option would probably have been josuke killing him in front of the family) but also definitively setting wou's power up as absolutely insane
I’ve always loved JoJo as an art piece. I really like the line you made about how it’s a story that demands interaction from the audience. In my eyes, any good art piece requires interpretation and isn’t 100% discrete in its meaning, and to me, all of JoJo’s is like that. That’s why to me, JoJo’s goes beyond from just being one of the best mangas/anime, but one of the best art pieces of all time (even if most of it doesn’t make sense)
i finished watching this on 3/11! after recently reading Jojolion and this was a good way to recap what a i just experienced.
Lessgoo I have waited so long for this. Even watched part 1 two times cuz it was so goof
PEAK analysis. gave me a completely new perspective on jojolion's second half and managed to make me love it for what it tried to do, even if it did it in a really, REALLY messy way.
2:19:46 Holy herself has mentioned that even Tamai Damo's group had no idea what purpose they've been actually serving for. She said they were meere dealers who get money and test the fruits on some randoms
ooh should've watched 1 more minute xD
What's interesting to note is that Holy has been under effect of her disease for close to a decade to some extent
So that should've been enough to figure a few things out
Though we never actually saw it
It's very ambitious even though there are several points that aren't truly followed up or explored completely, it was still fascinating. Hopefully Part 9 will manage to improve on Part 8's example.
Fantastic video, despite all the valid criticisms for some reason i find myself appreciating jojolion even more. Especially when you explore surrealism
May I just say, I love how you include P4G music which fits the vibe of jojolion so well
Part 2 was worth the wait such a great video
I hope that in the far future, when this is adapted to anime, a lot of changes are made for the better. I know, for the most part, David production has been pretty faithful, but a mix of small and some more substantial changes with new foresight could do WONDERS.
What's interesting is that since Steel Ball Run, Arabic had incorporated scientific theorems into the Main jojo's abilities. with Johnny it is the Golden Ratio with the infinite spin whereas for Josuke it is the Theory of Relativity, specifically the idea that the closer an object approaches the speed of light the thinner it will become gradually approaching zero (ie, something that no longer exists in a scientific sense)
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finished the video and have to say well done. Jojolion is my favorite part despite the terrible story beats/logic/retcons etc.. because it still has imo the best art, stands, themes, character arcs, and perhaps most importantly, the risks it takes. For me it feels like its the culmination of everything Jojo has worked towards thematically and is so powerfully portrayed through Josuke's arc. There's so much more to talk about that spans longer than a youtube comment should be, which is also why I like it so much, even if those things are detrimental to the part. So, here's to more Jojolion haunting us for better or worse in the future, as we must bear this curse.
I mean, important thing to note is that parts of JJBA are not written in vacuum and they all somehow connect to each other and Tsurugi is in Jojolion rather young person with a lot of future.
I'm curious if all that crazy stuff happening to him will be explained in Jojolands or hell, even in theoretical part X or some side stories.
The section playing the instrumental version of “Signs of Love” from Persona 4 was so distracting because I kept playing the lyrics in my head but that’s probably just me, amazing video!!
Drums, not instrumental my bad
Oh wait the entire video is persona 4 music lmao
I SAW PART 1 YESTERDAY THINKING IT WAS AN OLD VIDEO! IM HAPPY TO BE HERE
The reason I watch this channel is because you point out the less obvious plots of Jojo. I am simple minded so even tho I agree with your criticism completely I really like the power he exhibited, he was fighting a family of Stand Users all at once and up until Go Beyond, Toruu had the upper hand. He was calm through out 90% of the fight in a way a lot of villains in Jojo haven’t been. It felt like instead of having overconfidence he had faith in calamity. Which makes him stand out to me. Every other villain knew to be aware or careful with other Jojos , Kira hiding from Josuke after his first encounter, Dio fearing Jonathan and Jotaro using techniques that counter them, Pucci being the most cautious antagonist in my opinion, and President Valentine still being careful with how he uses his stand because even tho he is hard to kill it is not impossible and he strategizes. Toruu felt like an impossible obstacle that would require a miracle and unluckily for Toruu that’s exactly was Josuke is
You did great and important work, ensuring happy New Year. Thanks.
a truly great video, thank you
i hope this video serves as a baseline for future jojolion discussions
Couldn't agree more. People regularly are looking at specific boxes that need to be checked in order to enjoy something instead of viewing the art on its own merits. Not to say that they shouldn't criticize but they should atleast acknowledge where the artist is coming from and not immediately reject everything about it.
Just to make sure I understand you. Are you saying that Toru & wonder of u aren't 'true' to the core of surrealism and act more as attempts to be surreal.
If so I was considering the same thing, it's strange how WoU has connections to surrealism which is described as overcoming logic despite its general ability is to utilize logic; this could add to the relationship between Josuke and WoU as WoU, despite appearing to surreal i.e. overcoming logic still has its ability be based in logic (manipulating the flow of calamity) while josuke has completely overcome logic with his go beyond
I finally finished Jojolion so I'm so glad I can finally watch your videos on it!!
I fell asleep watching jojos content, and I woke up to roughly the end of this. I don't even know what else I was watching because I definitely went through some other videos before I woke up at 3am ish.
LOVE this! You're amazing man🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤
Thought he forgot. Thanks for the upload time to watch it 3 times in the next month
Absolutely amazing analysis over part 8 I love part 8 and it’s one of my favorites regardless of the flaws
Genuinely I feel like, when the stand like energy is shown is the panels when Josuke is staring downward at the head doctor in the stairwell that thats Wonder of U’s ability activating to directly mark Josuke in the flow of calamity at that moment
1:14:47 why did Araki give Hato so much MOTION in that panel, god damn 😩
Good work on pointing out the thematic contrast of WoU and Josuke being Logic vs Surrealism
Been waiting for this one 🔥🔥
Literally just watched the first part again yesterday! Hell yeah!