If Irminsul is a system that recorded the original worlds humans to create them again, it would explain how it can change everyones memories who are from Teyvat, but not outsiders.
It fits pretty well doesn't it, Teyvat being described as a microcosm of the outside universe kinda fits with the Imaginary Tree stuff from HI3 too if Irminsul is like a replica of it.
@@TheLaughingManLore The abyssal flowers that duplicate other entities, could be the progenitors of whopper flowers or could also be copying them. The abyss sort of has few original thoughts and can only destroy and copy other things. I'm sure thats what happened to gold's hounds. The sinners probably changed a few things when they came into their power.
Mihoyo only "confirmed" there were no relations so they could get their game better deals. They couldn't release another game with the same funding because app developers wanted them to have more than one main IP. Genshins cbt even had honkai enemies in it lmao. In order to be widely published and not just published on their usual scale, they had to change the name. And they chose Genshin Impact. They stated there are no correlations, why? Would you? They pulled a fast one so they could release the content they wanted. They are continuing their story from another perspective. We are experiencing the world becoming too developed and our mission is to stop the smite.
@@ねこ男の子but there is a huge difference between abyss and honkai. Abyss Don't care about "advance civilization". Abyss always been existed and always been attacking. Many civilization even " advanced" to fight abyss.
I like your theory but time for my wacky tangental theory: The inteyvat flowers stop growing when outside of their normal place, much like the abyss invaders in sumeru are sealed.(and only freed by kharvena light). If you believe that "teyvat" is a program then it's just code thats no longer executing in that zone (which also explains what forbidden knowledge is - code in a different language- so cant be comprehended by teyvat natives). The cataclysm curse would then be code that stops the normal data transfer upon death of entites. (the erosion code (entropy) still runs though breaking everything slowly down into energy)
I really like that theory and it fits with all the data glitches we get when people/things are related to Forbidden Knowledge as well as Nahida using computer-type attacks and Irminsul being like a data hub.
Chasca was glitching when her sis died, too... and she has abyssal corruption. And Citlali's fortune telling sounded very machine-like. Plus, the new pixel - designs in Natlan... ... I wonder if Arlecchino is a malware 😂 She glitches, she drains other's power, cannot be healed... her blood can rewrite other's memories and fate (she basically reprogrammed the children who were let go)... Kinich and hsi stupid sidekick got reseted so much, they're fragmanted or something...
To further support the primordial one being an AI, it's described as having "its functions ruined." I always thought that "functions" was a strange word choice, 'cause it makes it sound like it's a machine. But if it's an AI, then that word choice would make sense.
I wonder if the Shades would Answer to the MC and treat them as if They were the Heavenly Principles themselves? Assuming the Successor Hypothesis is Correct…
Same here, I lean more towards the Traveler having to complete some sort of task to be recognised which might explain the Sustainer fighting/capturing them or it could be information PO keeps to itself for whatever reason. I'd love it if Ronova recognised the Traveler though as that conversation would have some amazing lore drops.
the more I think about who the primordial one is and what lies beyond the false sky I always think back to the quantum computer on Mars in Honkai and one of the preventions against the Honkai, the capsule that contained the DNA of everything on earth that lost contact and disappeared into space
100% the Project Ark stuff has always stuck with me ever since someone pointed it out to me a while back, seems it isn't the exact same one from HI3 but since they use a lot of similar ideas it would make a lot of sense that Genshin has it's own version.
@@TheLaughingManLore it really is huh •Pierro playing against an AI •Neuvillette saying that "the functions of the havenly principles were damaged" •Irminsul literally being a super computer with a hive mind •the fake sky looking like a hologram Meanwhile in Honkai we have the quantum computer and project ark and in Star rail we have the simulated universe and Penacony Mihoyo is known for always approaching the same topic in different ways so this is super suspicious
@@Keiki-kun Oh you reminded me too, the Abyss portal thing in the sky looks just like the Sea of Quanta with all the cubes and stuff doesn't it, very sus.
@@TheLaughingManLore I mean there's no reason I've seen that it couldn't be the same project ARK. We really don't have enough details for there to be any contradictions at this point imo. Honestly it seems like there are more similarities than differences. I'd be interested to hear why you say they can't be the same though cause I could have missed something.
@@purepotassium I'm not up to date with HI3 lore but I think we discovered that Griseo went with it and returned to Mars during the current era so that's the only reason I think they're probably not the same Ark, there could be a million reasons I don't know about that could explain it though.
I have had the idea that the Primordial One was the AI of the ship called the Primordials One (meaning their could be a fleet of Primordial Two, Three.. ect). And the 4 shades were the original crew. The egg shell is the ship's body repurpassed around Teyvat.
What if Phanes finally wakes up after the traveler dies. That would be sick and the world started shaking all over Teyvat just like when Jesus died and the world was shaking and people realized something is wrong that would be so cool.
I think our death will be a Sacrifice to carru Mauvika at the very least and likely Capitano as well into the Sacred Flame such that they can die and be reborn (specifically i believe this rebirth through the sacred flame is what grants us pyro and that the shade of time might intervene)
Wow, I have never read the description of the KFC glider until now! Now that it mentions of a snake licking its lips, I wonder if it adds merit to the whole Nibelung-Descender theory, more so the Second Descender, as it was mentioned that Dain held a ring once, I wonder if it was the Ring of Nibelung, a reference to Ring des Nibelungen, and iirc Dain's constellation is an Ouroboros, since it seems to line up, I don't think Nibelung would be the Third, since the Gnosis aren't related to the Authorities but rather, the Authorities are correlated to an Archon's seat. The most interesting theory to back this up is the Remus-Scylla parallels, if you have read about it, basically Remus is an outsider and Scylla was the Dragon King/ruler of vishaps, they fought for thirty days and nights, until they both were exhausted, Remus told Scylla of his visit and Scylla agreed to take him to Egeria. This could imply the PO and Nibelung fought, but made a truce, this lines also lines up well with the usurper(PO) and the one who came after(SWC) making the Gnosis together out of the body of the the Third Descender. There's also the Four Harmosts, so there's the Four Shades parallel. Now I'm inclined to believe this theory xD. I wonder who Boethius and Cassiodor are supposed to represent/parallel. And nice catch about Capitano! This could support the Anfortas theory, as Anfortas means "without strength", "not strong", or "the one who suffers", in the Arthurian legend, Anfortas was cursed with a wound that never fully heals, and only the Holy Grail could heal it. And there has been speculations that Anfortas derives from the Old French word "enfertez" meaning "infirmity" or physical or mental weakness, or an illness. Additionally there were depictions of Anfortas being crucified like Jesus, so there's that 👀
I've always been a bit 50/50 on him being the Second Descender as I think he got his powers/corruption from them but it does fit yeah, his ties to Khaenri'ah seem to get stronger every patch too and actually I think it was you who pointed out Capitano has the dragon scale pattern on him wasn't it? Really stuck out to me that those patterns were basically shoved in our faces in those dragon ruins where we find Cap/Ororon. I don't remember reading that bout Rene but I think I was more focused on his stuff on Descenders/Khaenri'ah at the time so must've forgotten about that, very interesting! I'm 50/50 on the SWC and the PO teaming up too though haha, I just wonder why they would when the armies of the SWC seem to have brought Forbidden Knowledge with them and the Seelie were cursed for interacting with them/it. I don't discount it but that does stick out to me. Ooh that does fit really well doesn't it? Him being the sort of leader/liberator in a way of Khaenri'ah after Irmin was indisposed fits pretty well too. The only thing I wonder about that is how he turned up to Natlan with his troops as afaik they all died in Sumeru. Though tbf he could've found other survivors and just teamed up with them as he does seem to be the strongest candidate for Capitano's identity atm.
@@TheLaughingManLore Oh sorry I meant Remus not Rene, haha keep confusing the two. Regarding why Anfortas could be in Natlan is probably because, in my theory, Khaenri'ah is right under Sumeru, so they would naturally be in Sumeru when they fled, after all that fiasco and altercations with Hadura, I suspect he might flee to Natlan, as he did mention that he fled with the "remainder" of his platoon, and the situation was unsalvagable, with the gates of Khaenri'ah right underneath Sumeru, he would want to get away from it as far as possible, I assume. Another theory I got is that his "platoon" are souls accompanying him, and the way he talked about the Shade of Death, seems like he personally knew her, so I won't be surprised if these souls of his troops manifested via the power of Death, possibly given to him, or you could be right and he found other Khaenri'ahn survivors.
i love your theories so much laughing man! i love to brainrot about genshin lores and your theories just put new perspectives and gets me thinking again and im also a believer that traveler is the one whos gonna die in the next aq. i dont see many ppl take this possibility so its nice to see
I somehow completely forgot that Celstia is based on Deep Blue on the chess board in Lazzo trailer when reading the KFC wings lore. I do wonder, though, how would AI have created shades of itself, especially if those shades have emotions. I guess one possibility, if it saved the data about the original world, that it recreated 4 important people from that world. Speaking of, i really like the idea about PO and Travelers originally coming from the same destroyed world, as i never really bought the idea of Travleers being from Teyvat itself. Now, if current Teyvat is modeled after their destroyed planet, i find it more plausible. It's still a question, though, on how they're so adaptable to Teyvat elements and stuff, as those seem to have been made from stuff that originated from Teyvat (Phlogiston/Primal fire, Primordial Sea etc.)
I'd guess the AI/PO is so advanced that it has emotions kinda like Ai from HI3 and the Shades are like sub-divisions of it that deal with specific tasks but it recreating important people from the previous world is a really interesting idea that could explain why they don't fully conform with the PO's rules. Could make for some really good stories too with them being like a copy of a previous person and their struggle coming to terms with what they are now. Same here, would be very interesting to see the Travelers interacting with the PO if they're from the same planet and not agreeing on things, especially if PO is supposed to give control to them. I wonder if at this point it'd overrule them or if it's so weak that it's just thankful it has someone that can take it's place, even if they disagree with it's actions. I'd say the Travelers having control over the elements might mean that Teyvat's energy like phlogiston is just another form of what can be found throughout the universe and if they were the rulers/special beings from their planet, they probably had control over something similar. Kinda like phlogiston is Teyvat's form of light energy and in other places it has a slightly different composition or even just a different name but is essentially the same thing. Hard to say at this point though so that's just what makes sense to me atm
@@TheLaughingManLore Yeah, that non-conformation is the reason i'm not sure they came from POAI itself, unless they all got really self aware from looking after humanity for so much (though, with how really human Ronova sounded, i'm not sure) I think PO might judge that Travelers are not ready to take over the reigns, which would be the main conflict and the resolution by traveler either besting them or sacrificing themselves (depending on how story plays out) The reason i mention adaptability is cuz i wonder if Travelers are also artificial beings or not. We technically, as far as i know, never heard about their childhood or the like, which does struck me as odd as it's almost as if they were always the same age as they are now. Not specifically that they are AI but maybe similar to Albedo (which, now that i think about, Albedo even pointed out). So, "that person" mentioned in the wing of descension might be just their creator similar to Gold
@@spieds9994 Exactly yeah, it makes sense that they'd rebel if they weren't originally part of PO but I can see them being influenced by humanity to become more human as the PO seems very hands-off (maybe avoiding the same sadness it had after leaving the original world if it was the AI?). I was shocked at how human Ronova sounded though yeah, self-pity and not caring about something as important as people knowing her name almost sounds like a kid sulking for getting in trouble with their parents haha 100% that makes sense to me and actually now that you mention it, maybe Dain has a part to play with him asking us to defeat him to prove we're worthier than him to save (I'm assuming) our twin. I wonder if he discovered something or was visited by something like a Shade and has allied with them in some way, even if it's a begrudging alliance just to ensure the Travelers are safe as both seem to want that. Hmm yeah that definitely does fit with them living for what, 10k years I think? Not the regular life-expectancy for us regular humans is it hahaha That's such a good point as iirc Albedo noticed that he's similar to the Traveler in some way back during the first Dragonspine patch didn't he? Ooh maybe if a person did create them and they're the K.K (Kevin/Kiana Kaslana variant maybe?) they're also the philosopher talking about the universe dying and stuff. Got my mind racing now!
@@TheLaughingManLore For K.K., it's the stuff from the time of the closed beta, so not sure how reliable it is (Basically less reliable than even potential Asmodeus name for Susty IMO), but at the time, there was a character named Kate Kaslana, who apparently was never playable even in the beta and got replaced by travelers and was an assistant to jean, so i wonder, since Traveler Name Cards got released quite a bit before the game came out iirc, if that character got scrapped fully and replaced by Traveler or got rewritten and reused for something else
This is exactly a chess piece, like similar in Kingdom Hearts, 7 lights (like archons), and 13 vessel abyss sinners of darkness (20, with chess pieces).
This could just be me thinking to hard but this whole story is a puzzle sometime there is a lot of twists and turns maybe even dead ends. The Harbingers have 6 out of the 7 gnosis I don’t know if we are suppose to collect them or they are just it’s just common occurrence on there travels at first I thought they were going to find there sibling but turn there sibling is working for the abyss and now they are traveling all of Tevyat trying to save world mission. I’m surprise the traveler is not having a mental breakdown during these adventures but then again 500 years old so I guest he’s grown accustomed to it. Everything that’s happened it was all about Khanri’ah that all this is about.
Another theory similar to yours about the oearl of genesis, is that it might be a Honkai Gem that serves as an anchor of Teyvat to the Sea of Quanta, preventing the world from dissapearing, that is already shown on Honkai years ago with Bianka's Dea Anchora, and Seele's Herrscher of Rebirth last year on Part 1.5
I would love to play as an evil flaming knight sounds sick. Like the dark knight trope in medieval or Baldurs gate basically. No honor just raw power and strength.
I think surtalogi uses pyro like arlecchino and also uses the power of the abyss. People have theorized that surtalogi is from the crimson moon dynasty from perinheri. Arlecchino is from the crimson moon dynasty and she also uses pyro. Crimson moon people have innate pyro abilities(not everyone I'm guessing but a selected few). So I'm guessing he uses pyro, and by dain's statements the 5 sinners went after the power of the abyss. So I'm guessing that bro uses both of them
I’ve always had the theory that lumine and aether and the primordial one were from the same planet, and HE was THEIR FATHER lol 💀💀 I have my proof (ofc i forgot it)
We might also die because our sibling is recorded by Irminsul (so they likely died, too). And they said we have to walk their path in order to understand why they sided with the Abyss... We could die while fighting on Mauvika's side... And I think, Capitano might becomes the next Pyro Archon... then he could die eventually, plus his dead comrades can enter the night kingdom. And he would get the gnosis. But... he is cryo. I don't know if he could be the archon of pyro like that... About Jesus, we could be likened to him, as in Gnosticism, one interpretation is,, that Jesus was a human who reached enlightment through gnosis. Kinda what we do... On the other hand our Demon name is likely Lucifer, the Morningstar (as Phosphorus) and our sibling is the Eveningstar (- Hesperus, who brings liberation through death). Btw, in revelation of John Jesus calls himself the bright morning star... How we would get the pyro abilities like that I do not know... but... if we become the pyro archon, how will Capitano get the gnosis? Also, Capitano doesn't tell his actual name, either. Not just the Ancient name is a secret. We, however, told our name to Paimon... maybe that doesn't count...
In neuvillettes lore we find that the "second who came" damaged the primordial one's "functions" so it could no longer have control over the world which then led to the gnosis system(poor third descender). Functions is something you describe as a program or construct having not a normal living entity.
I've got a lot of notes on him but I feel like we're going to get a lot more info when we find out more about Ajaw so I've been waiting for that to make a video on him, hopefully we get more soon.
I think the lamp was from an event in Fontaine a while back but you can get the aquarium from Sumeru's fishing association, just before you enter Port Ormos from the North, there should be an NPC called Loumelat, you can buy it from her for catching a few fish.
hope this ai thing is fake i dont want primordial one to turn out to be some ai i want primordial one as an actual god like being mihoyo better not do same thing that they did in honkai impact
Dont let modern trends fool you, this trope is alot older than you'd think. An old story which would fit the AI inspiration would be "The Last Question" by Isaac Asimov, a story from 1956 depicts an Artificial Intelligence created by humanity to help them. It tried solving their big problem, reversing entropy. It tried until after all of humanity and the universe died had died out, til it figured out the way to reverse entropy and created the universe again, acting as a sort of creation myth.
Damn, I’m with you too. The Primordial One better not be some Ai, other than them sort of being somewhat similar to an Ai since they are represented by the artifact logos/reason, or knowledge & Ai’s have a lot of knowledge.
@@NutellaOnBageli know right! 👍 and yeah Ai have alot of knowledge and stuff but even something divine can be represented with logos/reason lets hope it is the latter
I think it's more like from our human perspective, life is order and the disorder from things decaying/dying around the universe would be viewed as chaos to us.
The idea that the Abyss is somehow the entire universe or something seems unlikely. For one thing it would make it harder to explain Nibelung's rash action of bringing the Abyss to Teyvat. While it seems pretty bone headed to bring back one demon, of limited scale and scope and power, the idea that you'd bring in an unbeatable cosmic force of destruction to serve up a personal grudge knowing it would utterly destroy all you had ever loved or known.... that seems more dumb on Nibleung's part than I'm prepared to credit. The Khaenri'ahn note left in Sumeru says "the gods are untrustworthy and the demons ineffable". So it seems that in Khaenri'ah over 500 years ago they knew of not just one demon, the Abyss that is, but several. As I said below, the All Devouring Narwhal sounds a lot like the way the Abyss is described as a world eating demon in the new KFC wings. And the entity below the Chasm Nail also shares many criteria with the Abyss and yet we know it is not the Abyss since 500 years ago it happily ate many Abyssal monsters and accidentally saved Liyue. Since there appear to be several demons and the Abyss is one of them, I don't think the abyss can be some sort of cosmic invariable law. It's just a dude buying some chicken wings. Just as the Primordial One is not some cosmic god of either, but just an artificial god created by humans before their civilization fell.
Minus the HI3 stuff which won't be true because Genshin isn't related to HI, this theory was first formulated a little less than 3 years ago back in version 2.4 when Enkanomiya came out. The stuff in Before Sun and Moon, plus the PS5 items plus the reference to the destruction of humans in "A Drunkard's Tale" suggested the story. The implications of the Cosmic Colonel Saunders changes little about it but there's some issues: (1) from the Cosmic KFC the implication is that there's only one Ark ship and it's unintentionally an Ark ship. In reality there must have been many intentional Ark ships based on the report the Twins have of travelling from world to world visiting human colony planets and the Gnostic Chorus' statement that sending out the heirs (PO=first heir, Twins=2nd) by the ruler of the primordial human home world (before it was destroyed) was an intentional order and therefore the PO and Twins have a mission of sorts and aren't just wandering around aimlessly as the formatted-for-Klee version of the story has it. For that matter I doubt there's really a Cosmic Colonel with his trusty shotgun, but as a story to explain things to a young Klee? In the same manner as the 1st KFC wings? Sure. (2) the question about whether the Abyss / 2nd Descender is known to humanity before it shows up at Teyvat. The KFC wings suggest it's a random "demon" that eats worlds, with no prior links to the humans. Other sources weakly suggest that the Twins have dealt with this or similar demons before. For example the Sibling becomes Khaenri'ah's expert on the Abyss so quickly. For example the Traveler appears to fear the Abyss and know about what it looks like while never having been to the Abyss while journeying in Teyvat. For example we may have more than one demon in Teyvat. The world devouring narwhal and the entity under the Chasm Nail sound a lot like the Abyss when seen as cosmic demons. But I think these are minor contradictions. I don't think the Genesis Pearl is some huge bubble around the planetary system. We know little about the Gensis Pearl but what we do know is someone's looking for it. Well it's hard to lose an object that's of the order of an astronomical unit in size.
its 100% connected and that has been confirmed by the devs themselves. We just don't know how or why yet. Articles from Teyvat and from HI3 are also found on Hertas ship in HSR. They are all part of the same storyline.
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If Irminsul is a system that recorded the original worlds humans to create them again, it would explain how it can change everyones memories who are from Teyvat, but not outsiders.
It fits pretty well doesn't it, Teyvat being described as a microcosm of the outside universe kinda fits with the Imaginary Tree stuff from HI3 too if Irminsul is like a replica of it.
@@TheLaughingManLore The abyssal flowers that duplicate other entities, could be the progenitors of whopper flowers or could also be copying them. The abyss sort of has few original thoughts and can only destroy and copy other things. I'm sure thats what happened to gold's hounds. The sinners probably changed a few things when they came into their power.
I don't think even the devs are cooking as hard as you
He is running a 5 star restaurant at this point.
Every Honkai gamer could tell you Teyvat was project ark 3 years ago. Genshin was even supposed to be named Honkai. Fun fact. Lmao
Mihoyo only "confirmed" there were no relations so they could get their game better deals. They couldn't release another game with the same funding because app developers wanted them to have more than one main IP.
Genshins cbt even had honkai enemies in it lmao.
In order to be widely published and not just published on their usual scale, they had to change the name. And they chose Genshin Impact.
They stated there are no correlations, why? Would you? They pulled a fast one so they could release the content they wanted.
They are continuing their story from another perspective. We are experiencing the world becoming too developed and our mission is to stop the smite.
@@ねこ男の子but there is a huge difference between abyss and honkai. Abyss Don't care about "advance civilization". Abyss always been existed and always been attacking. Many civilization even " advanced" to fight abyss.
@@ねこ男の子but wasnt project ark actually on phosphorous, meaning that teyvat cannot be project ark
I like your theory but time for my wacky tangental theory: The inteyvat flowers stop growing when outside of their normal place, much like the abyss invaders in sumeru are sealed.(and only freed by kharvena light). If you believe that "teyvat" is a program then it's just code thats no longer executing in that zone (which also explains what forbidden knowledge is - code in a different language- so cant be comprehended by teyvat natives). The cataclysm curse would then be code that stops the normal data transfer upon death of entites. (the erosion code (entropy) still runs though breaking everything slowly down into energy)
I really like that theory and it fits with all the data glitches we get when people/things are related to Forbidden Knowledge as well as Nahida using computer-type attacks and Irminsul being like a data hub.
Chasca was glitching when her sis died, too... and she has abyssal corruption.
And Citlali's fortune telling sounded very machine-like.
Plus, the new pixel - designs in Natlan...
... I wonder if Arlecchino is a malware 😂
She glitches, she drains other's power, cannot be healed... her blood can rewrite other's memories and fate (she basically reprogrammed the children who were let go)...
Kinich and hsi stupid sidekick got reseted so much, they're fragmanted or something...
@@TheLaughingManLore And arlechinno glitching more than others and having crimson moon dynasty powers, phlogiston blood
To further support the primordial one being an AI, it's described as having "its functions ruined." I always thought that "functions" was a strange word choice, 'cause it makes it sound like it's a machine. But if it's an AI, then that word choice would make sense.
This might also explain why Heavenly Principles need a "sustainer". And not a cook or a champion.
I wonder if the Shades would Answer to the MC and treat them as if They were the Heavenly Principles themselves? Assuming the Successor Hypothesis is Correct…
Same here, I lean more towards the Traveler having to complete some sort of task to be recognised which might explain the Sustainer fighting/capturing them or it could be information PO keeps to itself for whatever reason. I'd love it if Ronova recognised the Traveler though as that conversation would have some amazing lore drops.
@@TheLaughingManLore Maybe we can ask them for help for when it comes time for MC to confront their Sibling?
the more I think about who the primordial one is and what lies beyond the false sky
I always think back to the quantum computer on Mars in Honkai
and one of the preventions against the Honkai, the capsule that contained the DNA of everything on earth that lost contact and disappeared into space
100% the Project Ark stuff has always stuck with me ever since someone pointed it out to me a while back, seems it isn't the exact same one from HI3 but since they use a lot of similar ideas it would make a lot of sense that Genshin has it's own version.
@@TheLaughingManLore it really is huh
•Pierro playing against an AI
•Neuvillette saying that "the functions of the havenly principles were damaged"
•Irminsul literally being a super computer with a hive mind
•the fake sky looking like a hologram
Meanwhile in Honkai we have the quantum computer and project ark
and in Star rail we have the simulated universe and Penacony
Mihoyo is known for always approaching the same topic in different ways so this is super suspicious
@@Keiki-kun Oh you reminded me too, the Abyss portal thing in the sky looks just like the Sea of Quanta with all the cubes and stuff doesn't it, very sus.
@@TheLaughingManLore I mean there's no reason I've seen that it couldn't be the same project ARK. We really don't have enough details for there to be any contradictions at this point imo. Honestly it seems like there are more similarities than differences. I'd be interested to hear why you say they can't be the same though cause I could have missed something.
@@purepotassium I'm not up to date with HI3 lore but I think we discovered that Griseo went with it and returned to Mars during the current era so that's the only reason I think they're probably not the same Ark, there could be a million reasons I don't know about that could explain it though.
I have had the idea that the Primordial One was the AI of the ship called the Primordials One (meaning their could be a fleet of Primordial Two, Three.. ect).
And the 4 shades were the original crew. The egg shell is the ship's body repurpassed around Teyvat.
Good theory video. If the traveler gonna die paimon gonna cry and most of all she gonna show her true form.
What if Phanes finally wakes up after the traveler dies. That would be sick and the world started shaking all over Teyvat just like when Jesus died and the world was shaking and people realized something is wrong that would be so cool.
I think our death will be a Sacrifice to carru Mauvika at the very least and likely Capitano as well into the Sacred Flame such that they can die and be reborn (specifically i believe this rebirth through the sacred flame is what grants us pyro and that the shade of time might intervene)
Wow, I have never read the description of the KFC glider until now! Now that it mentions of a snake licking its lips, I wonder if it adds merit to the whole Nibelung-Descender theory, more so the Second Descender, as it was mentioned that Dain held a ring once, I wonder if it was the Ring of Nibelung, a reference to Ring des Nibelungen, and iirc Dain's constellation is an Ouroboros, since it seems to line up, I don't think Nibelung would be the Third, since the Gnosis aren't related to the Authorities but rather, the Authorities are correlated to an Archon's seat.
The most interesting theory to back this up is the Remus-Scylla parallels, if you have read about it, basically Remus is an outsider and Scylla was the Dragon King/ruler of vishaps, they fought for thirty days and nights, until they both were exhausted, Remus told Scylla of his visit and Scylla agreed to take him to Egeria. This could imply the PO and Nibelung fought, but made a truce, this lines also lines up well with the usurper(PO) and the one who came after(SWC) making the Gnosis together out of the body of the the Third Descender.
There's also the Four Harmosts, so there's the Four Shades parallel. Now I'm inclined to believe this theory xD. I wonder who Boethius and Cassiodor are supposed to represent/parallel.
And nice catch about Capitano! This could support the Anfortas theory, as Anfortas means "without strength", "not strong", or "the one who suffers", in the Arthurian legend, Anfortas was cursed with a wound that never fully heals, and only the Holy Grail could heal it. And there has been speculations that Anfortas derives from the Old French word "enfertez" meaning "infirmity" or physical or mental weakness, or an illness. Additionally there were depictions of Anfortas being crucified like Jesus, so there's that 👀
I've always been a bit 50/50 on him being the Second Descender as I think he got his powers/corruption from them but it does fit yeah, his ties to Khaenri'ah seem to get stronger every patch too and actually I think it was you who pointed out Capitano has the dragon scale pattern on him wasn't it? Really stuck out to me that those patterns were basically shoved in our faces in those dragon ruins where we find Cap/Ororon.
I don't remember reading that bout Rene but I think I was more focused on his stuff on Descenders/Khaenri'ah at the time so must've forgotten about that, very interesting! I'm 50/50 on the SWC and the PO teaming up too though haha, I just wonder why they would when the armies of the SWC seem to have brought Forbidden Knowledge with them and the Seelie were cursed for interacting with them/it. I don't discount it but that does stick out to me.
Ooh that does fit really well doesn't it? Him being the sort of leader/liberator in a way of Khaenri'ah after Irmin was indisposed fits pretty well too. The only thing I wonder about that is how he turned up to Natlan with his troops as afaik they all died in Sumeru. Though tbf he could've found other survivors and just teamed up with them as he does seem to be the strongest candidate for Capitano's identity atm.
@@TheLaughingManLore Oh sorry I meant Remus not Rene, haha keep confusing the two.
Regarding why Anfortas could be in Natlan is probably because, in my theory, Khaenri'ah is right under Sumeru, so they would naturally be in Sumeru when they fled, after all that fiasco and altercations with Hadura, I suspect he might flee to Natlan, as he did mention that he fled with the "remainder" of his platoon, and the situation was unsalvagable, with the gates of Khaenri'ah right underneath Sumeru, he would want to get away from it as far as possible, I assume.
Another theory I got is that his "platoon" are souls accompanying him, and the way he talked about the Shade of Death, seems like he personally knew her, so I won't be surprised if these souls of his troops manifested via the power of Death, possibly given to him, or you could be right and he found other Khaenri'ahn survivors.
Wait, you must mean Old French for "enfertez", right ? Because I'm french and I've never heard this word 😭
@@kiyomi_kamimoto yes! Old French, forgot to specify it 😆
1st time watching your video damn the theories are top tier I want many people to know your videos
i love your theories so much laughing man! i love to brainrot about genshin lores and your theories just put new perspectives and gets me thinking again
and im also a believer that traveler is the one whos gonna die in the next aq. i dont see many ppl take this possibility so its nice to see
I would love for the next chapter after teyvat to be focused on the traveler's home planet!
I somehow completely forgot that Celstia is based on Deep Blue on the chess board in Lazzo trailer when reading the KFC wings lore. I do wonder, though, how would AI have created shades of itself, especially if those shades have emotions. I guess one possibility, if it saved the data about the original world, that it recreated 4 important people from that world.
Speaking of, i really like the idea about PO and Travelers originally coming from the same destroyed world, as i never really bought the idea of Travleers being from Teyvat itself. Now, if current Teyvat is modeled after their destroyed planet, i find it more plausible. It's still a question, though, on how they're so adaptable to Teyvat elements and stuff, as those seem to have been made from stuff that originated from Teyvat (Phlogiston/Primal fire, Primordial Sea etc.)
I'd guess the AI/PO is so advanced that it has emotions kinda like Ai from HI3 and the Shades are like sub-divisions of it that deal with specific tasks but it recreating important people from the previous world is a really interesting idea that could explain why they don't fully conform with the PO's rules. Could make for some really good stories too with them being like a copy of a previous person and their struggle coming to terms with what they are now.
Same here, would be very interesting to see the Travelers interacting with the PO if they're from the same planet and not agreeing on things, especially if PO is supposed to give control to them. I wonder if at this point it'd overrule them or if it's so weak that it's just thankful it has someone that can take it's place, even if they disagree with it's actions.
I'd say the Travelers having control over the elements might mean that Teyvat's energy like phlogiston is just another form of what can be found throughout the universe and if they were the rulers/special beings from their planet, they probably had control over something similar. Kinda like phlogiston is Teyvat's form of light energy and in other places it has a slightly different composition or even just a different name but is essentially the same thing. Hard to say at this point though so that's just what makes sense to me atm
@@TheLaughingManLore Yeah, that non-conformation is the reason i'm not sure they came from POAI itself, unless they all got really self aware from looking after humanity for so much (though, with how really human Ronova sounded, i'm not sure)
I think PO might judge that Travelers are not ready to take over the reigns, which would be the main conflict and the resolution by traveler either besting them or sacrificing themselves (depending on how story plays out)
The reason i mention adaptability is cuz i wonder if Travelers are also artificial beings or not. We technically, as far as i know, never heard about their childhood or the like, which does struck me as odd as it's almost as if they were always the same age as they are now. Not specifically that they are AI but maybe similar to Albedo (which, now that i think about, Albedo even pointed out). So, "that person" mentioned in the wing of descension might be just their creator similar to Gold
@@spieds9994 Exactly yeah, it makes sense that they'd rebel if they weren't originally part of PO but I can see them being influenced by humanity to become more human as the PO seems very hands-off (maybe avoiding the same sadness it had after leaving the original world if it was the AI?). I was shocked at how human Ronova sounded though yeah, self-pity and not caring about something as important as people knowing her name almost sounds like a kid sulking for getting in trouble with their parents haha
100% that makes sense to me and actually now that you mention it, maybe Dain has a part to play with him asking us to defeat him to prove we're worthier than him to save (I'm assuming) our twin. I wonder if he discovered something or was visited by something like a Shade and has allied with them in some way, even if it's a begrudging alliance just to ensure the Travelers are safe as both seem to want that.
Hmm yeah that definitely does fit with them living for what, 10k years I think? Not the regular life-expectancy for us regular humans is it hahaha
That's such a good point as iirc Albedo noticed that he's similar to the Traveler in some way back during the first Dragonspine patch didn't he? Ooh maybe if a person did create them and they're the K.K (Kevin/Kiana Kaslana variant maybe?) they're also the philosopher talking about the universe dying and stuff. Got my mind racing now!
@@TheLaughingManLore For K.K., it's the stuff from the time of the closed beta, so not sure how reliable it is (Basically less reliable than even potential Asmodeus name for Susty IMO), but at the time, there was a character named Kate Kaslana, who apparently was never playable even in the beta and got replaced by travelers and was an assistant to jean, so i wonder, since Traveler Name Cards got released quite a bit before the game came out iirc, if that character got scrapped fully and replaced by Traveler or got rewritten and reused for something else
The Shades could be sentient AI based around different subprograms and subroutines that are too complex for a single AI to manage at the same time.
Man did not just hit me with a cutscene of the "Traveler" from Destiny in a Genshin video
their names give it away too. Aether=Plasma Lumine=Light
This is exactly a chess piece, like similar in Kingdom Hearts, 7 lights (like archons), and 13 vessel abyss sinners of darkness (20, with chess pieces).
This could just be me thinking to hard but this whole story is a puzzle sometime there is a lot of twists and turns maybe even dead ends. The Harbingers have 6 out of the 7 gnosis I don’t know if we are suppose to collect them or they are just it’s just common occurrence on there travels at first I thought they were going to find there sibling but turn there sibling is working for the abyss and now they are traveling all of Tevyat trying to save world mission. I’m surprise the traveler is not having a mental breakdown during these adventures but then again 500 years old so I guest he’s grown accustomed to it. Everything that’s happened it was all about Khanri’ah that all this is about.
Another theory similar to yours about the oearl of genesis, is that it might be a Honkai Gem that serves as an anchor of Teyvat to the Sea of Quanta, preventing the world from dissapearing, that is already shown on Honkai years ago with Bianka's Dea Anchora, and Seele's Herrscher of Rebirth last year on Part 1.5
I would love to play as an evil flaming knight sounds sick. Like the dark knight trope in medieval or Baldurs gate basically. No honor just raw power and strength.
I think surtalogi uses pyro like arlecchino and also uses the power of the abyss. People have theorized that surtalogi is from the crimson moon dynasty from perinheri. Arlecchino is from the crimson moon dynasty and she also uses pyro. Crimson moon people have innate pyro abilities(not everyone I'm guessing but a selected few). So I'm guessing he uses pyro, and by dain's statements the 5 sinners went after the power of the abyss. So I'm guessing that bro uses both of them
I’ve always had the theory that lumine and aether and the primordial one were from the same planet, and HE was THEIR FATHER lol 💀💀 I have my proof (ofc i forgot it)
They all have the same eye color. Gnostic Chorus is about Asmoday. First twin failed. We have to save her and our blood line from honkai.
I remember 3 years ago I said teyvat is project ark, got roasted lol. Now here yall are.
The moon's origin and finality.
We might also die because our sibling is recorded by Irminsul (so they likely died, too). And they said we have to walk their path in order to understand why they sided with the Abyss...
We could die while fighting on Mauvika's side...
And I think, Capitano might becomes the next Pyro Archon... then he could die eventually, plus his dead comrades can enter the night kingdom. And he would get the gnosis.
But... he is cryo. I don't know if he could be the archon of pyro like that...
About Jesus, we could be likened to him, as in Gnosticism, one interpretation is,, that Jesus was a human who reached enlightment through gnosis. Kinda what we do...
On the other hand our Demon name is likely Lucifer, the Morningstar (as Phosphorus) and our sibling is the Eveningstar (- Hesperus, who brings liberation through death).
Btw, in revelation of John Jesus calls himself the bright morning star...
How we would get the pyro abilities like that I do not know... but... if we become the pyro archon, how will Capitano get the gnosis?
Also, Capitano doesn't tell his actual name, either. Not just the Ancient name is a secret. We, however, told our name to Paimon... maybe that doesn't count...
Thiz reminds me of vera melancholy, weird
I haven't looked at that in a while but from what I remember you're right, time to take another look into it!
Everytime we wish we add abysmal corruption to Teyvat
you are amazingly close with P.O as AI theory because paimoon also AI or module derived part of P.O. my english pls dont mind~
In neuvillettes lore we find that the "second who came" damaged the primordial one's "functions" so it could no longer have control over the world which then led to the gnosis system(poor third descender). Functions is something you describe as a program or construct having not a normal living entity.
Bro. HOW DEEP WENT TOU ?
So now achievements are lore bombs too. Yikes
hi sorry for being off topic here but i was hoping for you to make a kinich lore analysis?
I've got a lot of notes on him but I feel like we're going to get a lot more info when we find out more about Ajaw so I've been waiting for that to make a video on him, hopefully we get more soon.
1:08 what furniture item is that blue lamp? It’s so pretty??! And how do I get the aquarium omg…
I think the lamp was from an event in Fontaine a while back but you can get the aquarium from Sumeru's fishing association, just before you enter Port Ormos from the North, there should be an NPC called Loumelat, you can buy it from her for catching a few fish.
hope this ai thing is fake
i dont want primordial one to turn out to be some ai
i want primordial one as an actual god like being
mihoyo better not do same thing that they did in honkai impact
Dont let modern trends fool you, this trope is alot older than you'd think.
An old story which would fit the AI inspiration would be "The Last Question" by Isaac Asimov, a story from 1956 depicts an Artificial Intelligence created by humanity to help them. It tried solving their big problem, reversing entropy. It tried until after all of humanity and the universe died had died out, til it figured out the way to reverse entropy and created the universe again, acting as a sort of creation myth.
Damn, I’m with you too.
The Primordial One better not be some Ai, other than them sort of being somewhat similar to an Ai since they are represented by the artifact logos/reason, or knowledge & Ai’s have a lot of knowledge.
@@edenrav cool but still hope primordial one is a god
not some ai or some scifi stuff
@@NutellaOnBageli know right! 👍
and yeah Ai have alot of knowledge and stuff but even something divine can be represented with logos/reason
lets hope it is the latter
but isn't it more logical for death to be order and life to be chaos?
even if life is not chaos i just don't see death as chaos
I think it's more like from our human perspective, life is order and the disorder from things decaying/dying around the universe would be viewed as chaos to us.
The little destiny 2 clip gave me war flashbacks. So glad i’m out of that community 🙂↕️
Can anyone tell me name of the song in this timestamp 6:11
It's from the cutscene with the Lord of the Night in 5.1, took me a minute to find it again haha
You Guy's Wanna Know My Theory
Genshin is just ark survival evolved 😂
Can you improve the voice in your video? No offense, but it makes me feel really sleepy.
The idea that the Abyss is somehow the entire universe or something seems unlikely. For one thing it would make it harder to explain Nibelung's rash action of bringing the Abyss to Teyvat. While it seems pretty bone headed to bring back one demon, of limited scale and scope and power, the idea that you'd bring in an unbeatable cosmic force of destruction to serve up a personal grudge knowing it would utterly destroy all you had ever loved or known.... that seems more dumb on Nibleung's part than I'm prepared to credit.
The Khaenri'ahn note left in Sumeru says "the gods are untrustworthy and the demons ineffable". So it seems that in Khaenri'ah over 500 years ago they knew of not just one demon, the Abyss that is, but several. As I said below, the All Devouring Narwhal sounds a lot like the way the Abyss is described as a world eating demon in the new KFC wings. And the entity below the Chasm Nail also shares many criteria with the Abyss and yet we know it is not the Abyss since 500 years ago it happily ate many Abyssal monsters and accidentally saved Liyue. Since there appear to be several demons and the Abyss is one of them, I don't think the abyss can be some sort of cosmic invariable law. It's just a dude buying some chicken wings. Just as the Primordial One is not some cosmic god of either, but just an artificial god created by humans before their civilization fell.
Minus the HI3 stuff which won't be true because Genshin isn't related to HI, this theory was first formulated a little less than 3 years ago back in version 2.4 when Enkanomiya came out. The stuff in Before Sun and Moon, plus the PS5 items plus the reference to the destruction of humans in "A Drunkard's Tale" suggested the story. The implications of the Cosmic Colonel Saunders changes little about it but there's some issues:
(1) from the Cosmic KFC the implication is that there's only one Ark ship and it's unintentionally an Ark ship. In reality there must have been many intentional Ark ships based on the report the Twins have of travelling from world to world visiting human colony planets and the Gnostic Chorus' statement that sending out the heirs (PO=first heir, Twins=2nd) by the ruler of the primordial human home world (before it was destroyed) was an intentional order and therefore the PO and Twins have a mission of sorts and aren't just wandering around aimlessly as the formatted-for-Klee version of the story has it. For that matter I doubt there's really a Cosmic Colonel with his trusty shotgun, but as a story to explain things to a young Klee? In the same manner as the 1st KFC wings? Sure.
(2) the question about whether the Abyss / 2nd Descender is known to humanity before it shows up at Teyvat. The KFC wings suggest it's a random "demon" that eats worlds, with no prior links to the humans. Other sources weakly suggest that the Twins have dealt with this or similar demons before. For example the Sibling becomes Khaenri'ah's expert on the Abyss so quickly. For example the Traveler appears to fear the Abyss and know about what it looks like while never having been to the Abyss while journeying in Teyvat. For example we may have more than one demon in Teyvat. The world devouring narwhal and the entity under the Chasm Nail sound a lot like the Abyss when seen as cosmic demons.
But I think these are minor contradictions.
I don't think the Genesis Pearl is some huge bubble around the planetary system. We know little about the Gensis Pearl but what we do know is someone's looking for it. Well it's hard to lose an object that's of the order of an astronomical unit in size.
genshin is 100% related to hi3rd
its 100% connected and that has been confirmed by the devs themselves. We just don't know how or why yet. Articles from Teyvat and from HI3 are also found on Hertas ship in HSR. They are all part of the same storyline.
Did you not know the original name of the game was honkai impact 4th? Or that the original protagonist called K.K. also known as Kate Kaslana
This is copium. There's nothing in common between the games at all and every theory based on assuming otherwise flounders.
@@davidjohnson8273 MIHOYO themselves has already confirmed they are connected... you are clearly not up to date.