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Sight Radius - Does a longer barrel mean better hits?
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Today we're going to look at the difference between a Glock 43, Glock 48, Glock 17, and Glock 34 doing the sight displacement drill to see just how much the added sight radius affects the hits on a target at 5 yards and 10 yards.
Very well presented on a subject I was vaguely aware of. Your description of sight radius and the way you demonstrated its effects was terrific. Thank you!
Good stuff...appreciate the methodical approach to your videos...
I like this approach. Please do more of this, in 5 yard increments out to 25 yards. Hopefully we will see more of this type of testing, w/ various firearms & sight combinations.
I filmed this as a stand alone based on a comment coming in my G48 review -
but I could also use for an upcoming G17 vs G34 video. To do this at an
indoor range is prohibitive from the time of reeling in a target and
reeling it out and patching it each time. I may revisit it when I get
off the wait list at the outdoor gun club I'm waiting on - but it would
take an entire range session to film that with 4 guns and I'm primarily a
competitor so giving up a practice session isn't a prospect I'm keen
on. The effect at longer ranges is exaggerated further. I kept it 5 yards and 10 yards because i knew the "3 yards, 3 Rounds, 3 seconds" crowd would just cry that medium to longer pistol ranges don't count.
excellent info well presented.
That’s some great info i was on the fence when I bought my 17 for that reason and the guy I deal with at the gun store actually said the 17 and 34’shoot very similar
they're not wildly different. the 17 is totally serviceable - I think the 34 is a mental edge if anything beyond the extra velocity.
Good info and testing as very interesting as it seems to hold true to a certain extent.....Good stuff....
The differences weren't so severe beyond the 43 - I was surprised how little the difference was.
Interesting topic and info. Never really thought about it. Thanks!👍👍
By the way - your beloved VP9 has nearly the sight radius of a 1911.
TheHumbleMarksman interesting!! I wish it were my only beloved😭😭🤣
Nice Information, I have always preferred a little longer sight radius when I can get it! TFS Carry On
I always said I wouldn't go shorter than 4" if I didn't have to - and now I don't have to!
So well explained.
Thanks man. Thanks for watching!
Nice. I have tried the same with both a 4 inch barrel and 4 1/2 with the same results. At the distances I shoot in IDPA its pretty much a wash.. Glad to see I am not the only person with this level of OCD testing these things.
Every once in a while it's easier to make a video on a common question then just point at it when it comes up again.
Wish i could love this. Also, thanks for putting out a video i can direct people to when they argue about my Rami vs. P01 video and how the longer sight radius is preferred. ;-)
Yeah - I just don’t get the appeal of that gun
@@TheHumbleMarksman Like TFX Pro sights, it's tempting in theory. the more you get into use, the less uesfull it is. it's soon being replaced.
I'm surprised you kept it this long! It's like you're keeping it just so you can warn other people not to buy it! In practice - the G43 and G48 is basically the exact same comparison - about 2 oz and a tenth of an inch for appreciably more capacity and a far easier shooting firearm.
There are advantages to distinguishing between precision and accuracy. Precision is the size of a shot group, independent of how well centered the group is on the intended target. Accuracy is how well a shot group is centered on the intended target, independent of the size of the group. One can exist without the other, and errors in each have different remedies, of course. I acknowledge that some use the word “accuracy” in a general sense of hitting a target or not, but using only one word to describe the quality of shots tends to mask the two distinct types of errors.
good information
Cheers! I hope your haggis is extra delicious today.
I have a question: Irrespective of the sight radius, does barrel length otherwise affect accuracy in terms of accuracy? Does the increased time in a longer barrel with the rifling increase accuracy?
It’s load dependent - depends on powder used. Slow powder needs long barrels - fast powder may be an issue in long barrels
Very Well present
Thanks for watching!
Does using a red dot negate sight radius and/or barrel length on a sub 4” carry pistol?
yup
Good info! I have a G5 19 MOS for carry w/ RMR, a G4 17 MOS w/ Venom for home & back up, & just got the G5 34 MOS FS w/Venom for competition... And I just ordered the Glockstore Steel Guide rod for the 34 with the 15lb spring. All with Talon grit wraps & TruGlo Tritium Pro suppressor sights.
sounds like you'll be set. I actually got a 34 g5 MOS with the front serrations yesterday as well. My current 34g5 will be relegated to back up duty and testing :P
How do your results compare to the trigonometry?
I leave that analysis to more competent minds than mine. Precisely skewing your sights is a difficult thing to do - executing a good trigger press with bad sights makes every corner of your being scream.
48 for the win!
it did pretty well - surprisingly well.
You always have the content of shit I think about that no one puts up👍🏻 thank you
Thanks man - that's the goal of the channel.
I believe other factors are likely as or more important than the sight radius. Certainly grip strength, grip fit, gun weight & balance, caliber, sight design, hand jitter, eyesight, trainer sessions, & practice will combine to make much more difference overall than an inch or two of sight radius.
Graham Baates can shoot a one inch group at 10 yards with an LCP2. Most of the rest of us are lucky to get an 6" group at 5 yards with that pistol. So I think sight radius is a factor, but not a huge one. It can help, but Jerry Michelik isn't going to start having night sweats if any of us increases our sight radius by 2 inches. :)
Don’t disagree with any of that- but discipline of pulling a trigger on a bad sight picture is a real thing - and this is speaking to what that can net. I think a 4.5” gun is “enough” a 5.3” gun is probably overkill
@@TheHumbleMarksman - Yes, I didn't think of that. Trigger discipline is not my friend. lol! I'll keep trying.
Humble, what's a good set of precision sights for Glock?
Dawson precision
Ditched the 43 after failing to hit a rat at 7 yards. I'm a shitty shooter but the narrow sight radius didnt help. That's why I chose the 48 over 43x. Maybe when I get better I'll go smaller but this just goes to show you imagine how ineffective a defense shooting g would be with you average joe carrying the 365.
Now it's all about how sexy your gun looks and people dont think about the drawbacks of such small guns.
you have to compare the same sights, otherwise it doesnt make sense.
It still makes sense - 3 out of 4 of the pistols were wearing Dawson’s. The 48 did not have Dawson’s but I split the fatter OEM front sight down the middle trying to get the same movement - by virtue of the slide lengths being different even the same make of sights will have variance on rear notch opening
@@TheHumbleMarksman Hmm, your right. Sight radius even change the proportions.
Time saver: CONCLUSION 4" BARRELS ARE THE BEST via random testing.
Eh - depends what you're doing. With a dot they're all nearly equal.
@@TheHumbleMarksman if you have 2 barrels one twice as long as the other and you put the front sight just out of the rear notch then one of those barrels will be pointing farther off the target. BUT if you scale the rear sight to have the same point of impact by using a different width of front sight or rear notch the problem is removed. Either way the sights aren't what help you be more accurate anyway because if you're on target you're on target.
Sight radius is a bogus term.
campsite a conceptually You are correct. However, nobody is making sites like that. They are all basically the same proportion with differing front or rear sight Heights. So sight radius is an issue to contend with when you are shooting irons.
@@TheHumbleMarksman So what's better then thicker or thinner sights? Either you know where your shot is going or you don't.
Feel free to list the "regulations" and their sources for this "scientific" lol study that supposedly justifies your viewpoint. Because right now.... it doesn't exist.
When you stop debating the actual topic and change the subject.... you've already lost because you didn't know and now you're about to find out it's got very little to do with "sight radius". At best it might be considered a layman's workaround but still totally unsophisticated and unscientific. Well, except for perhaps the trial and error part of categorization but even then it doesn't specify THE WHY.
Your initial argument is you can equalize the sights via proportionality to mitigate the affects of sight radius - and you can to a degree if you want to pony up for custom sights. If you are buying off the shelf sights it’s going to still be an issue. And you are conflating issues of sight picture and sight alignment - in a practical context like USPSA I can tell you practically speaking it is self evident that it is easier to hit with longer guns than short ones. Knowing you are going to hit is shot calling and sight radius doesn’t affect that much of you understand how the gun prints