The funniest part is that neutralizing gas doesnt disable its ability meaning that even if it only had stopped berries from being eaten it would be better then mewtwo because it goes through neutralizing gas😭
@@cameronmyers5716 miraidon is here and with quark speed boost, jugulis is faster than calyrex shadow plus with access to snarl it can lower it's special attack, it also has acess to tailwind and taunaty
rayquaza gets swords dance; dragonite only gets dragon dance. rayquaza actually gets a good flying type move; dragonite gets nothing airlock shuts down the weather in a completely weather-dependent meta, while inner focus on dragonite just blocks intimidate (which clear amulet on rayquaza already does) and also blocks flinch. but do you really need to play dragonite over rayquaza just to block a fake-out? rayquaza is still probably the better pick between the two. checkmate, athiests
But you can have Dragonite, which is intimidate and Fake Out immune ALONG WITH Zacian, Calyrex-Shafow, either of the Dons etc. With Rayquaza, you lose out to ALL of those options. It's opportunity cost. Why have a lump of gold, when you can have a lump of silver ON TOP of a lump of pure unfiltered platinum?
Honestly shadow rider clayrex, ice rider clayrex, urshifu, flutter mane and miraidon needs an omega nerf going into gen 10 We need storm drain for ghost/fairy moves, urshifu shouldn’t hit through protect and A good electric terrain setter that isn’t a legendary
Shadow rider stats should be redistributed in to -10 Sp.Atk and Speed and put the 20 points into Atk, Grim neigh should be rebooted into being like an auto Spite when KO'd (that sounds way more interesting imo), and give Astral Barrage actual downsides, like a -1 Sp. Atk, or recoil, or hell even make it an Outrage clone. Ice rider is a much cooler mechanical design imo (no pun intended) but I'd make Glacial Lance into a Bolt Strike clone and not make it a spread cause that makes no sense, MAYBE redistribute its stats a little less minmax into whatever makes more sense to you. But that's about it. Urshifu, just change unseen fist into doing 25% of the original damage like how Z moves/max moves worked and you're good Flutter Mane, just redistribute the stats into 65/125 and i think that would be enough Miraidon... if they REALLY can't remove hadron engine from the game and stick with with Electric Surge, then maybe give it the Intrepid Sword treatment, best I can think of.
I Think Shadow-Rider Is A Fair Pokémon In Both Stats/Ability , They Literally Balanced It By Making It x4 Weak To Dark AND Ghost .. You Just Gotta Take It Seriously Fight Against It , If You Aren’t Serious They Yea It’ll Sweep You ! 😂
@@Endershock1678Also Think About It , A Normal/Dark-Type OWN Shadow Rider You Just AGAIN “ Gotta Play It Properly “ .. Fight It Enough And You’ll Learn How To Beat It . 👏🏽
I understand Kyogre has some struggles in this format, but C seems super low when it still does super well against non-sun and non-Miraidon teams. I wouldn't have predicted it either but Miraidon isn't getting results right now, maybe that will change as time goes on.
I used a regular kyogre team and out of 10 matches I only won 4. It lost to Zekrom specific teams with gouging, lost to groudon and koraidon, and inevitably the superior calyrex and miraidon.
this was a tornogre team mind you with other really good members like shifu or kingdra and grimmsnarl just to help give ogre some tankiness alongside av
The problem I think is that while I does well vs non-sun and non-miraidon teams, there's going to be A LOT of sun and miraidon teams. And if you really want to not run sun or miraidon, then you're probably going to be better off running one of the Calyrex forms.
@@Drakoth01 I’d still argue it has the tools very much to go even with Groudon sun, the much more popular and batter sun setter. As for Miraidon, it’s turned out to be a little overhyped, the throne is basically going over to both Calyrexs which Kyogre does very well against. We kinda did the same thing with Incineroar, it couldn’t really beat many of the new meta threats but it’s still a very powerful tool. Beating 2/3 of the best restricted and going even with the third(Calys+Groudon) is a powerful niche and when you compare Kyogre to everyone else in C tier nobody else comes nearly as close to stacking up.
I feel like restricted formats are pretty good formats due to them being more inclined to be offensive and also there feels like more diversity with more Pokémon being used more often during these formats like ludicolo
I do not agree. I think reg f has the highest variance I've seen in Pokemon ever. SV has a good mix. But Shadow rider will be the best Pokemon in single restricted. There will be a couple of optimal teams with it and that's what will be mostly used. I still think it will be fun but double restricted will likely be the higher variant format. I do it's much more offensive based. Matches are decided quickly
I honestly don’t think Rayquaza will be THAT bad. I can see it giving Sun teams a hard time because of Air Lock. That would allow you to weaken Koraidon while it is on field, and if Rayquaza is next to a flutter mane for example it will force it to either commit its Tera or protect. Not to mention this would also deny protosynthesis boost from opposing flutter manes and raging bolts too.
You know, knowing that Pokemon Legends Z-A is coming, I think everyone missed the hint towards it that was hidden in the Indigo Disk DLC. Out of all box art legendaries from gens 1-8, they didn't bring back Xerneas and Yveltal.
I think eternatus might be decent. It has good speed and HP with good moves. I think its biggest weakness is that it is slower than flutter mane, chien pao, and koraidon/miraidon. I believe it can work, but it won't be the best option.
Good list, but zamazenta undersold. Because body press calcs off of defense and not attack, in that way he is immune to intimidate. 140 base +1 with stab and he turns incineroar into jelly. Very very valuable to directly counter such an important mon. And with that +1 Def you can play more offensively, you don't need to stack iron defense as much. You can play much faster paced than registeel or komo-o, or you can have a comfey partner and play slow if you want to. Not to mention wide guard, he can protect his teammates from calyrex spread attacks.
In a general standpoint, I'd believe groudon is the superior sun setter than koraidon. While even if groudon wins the weather war against kyogre, you can still get Ice beam'd or still hurt with origin pulse, you still have so many pokemon you usually pair with groudon like flutter mane, raging bolt, etc. Koraidon on the other hand is faster than groudon and wins against kyogre even if you lose the weather war. Problem is Koraidon's typing puts it in danger against flutter mane and even worse, both flutter mane and koraidon tie in speed at 135 making it a VERY rough matchup while groudon doesn't have that problem.
I do think that rayquaza definitely has a niche of countering koraidon's sun, but that niche is so niche that unless you have a truly impenetrable strategy to get around EVERY counter then it won't work out. That's just how the cookie crumbles. Now eternatus is definitely worth looking at. Power herb meteor beam with tera poison sludge bomb and dynamax cannon counters every top picked pokemon in doubles right now save gholdengo. I've looked at the analytics and run the calcs. This is eternatus's time to shine
In my opinion, calyrex ice is more broken than shadow rider. The level of bulk is what sells it for me. My friend and I were testing it, and, while water tera and at about 90%, it lived a rillaboom wood hammer on grassy terrain at like 11%. Who cares that you have to get trick room up when you can live every hit, then just kill whatever you want?
The base stat distribution of Carylex is like the fan-made Pokemon that a 7-year-old would make when he first learned about the concept of Pokemon stats.
I do just wanna point out that you said that scarfed urshi doesn’t outspeed with adamant, but adamant max speed urshi outspeeds shadow rider by ONE point, overal fantastic video tho, underrated channel
I thought mewtwo might be able to do something with expanding force sad to see mewtwo is still not great compared to other restricted legendary pokemon
Yeah I wanted to have a team with Mewtwo running expanding force. But Calyrex Shadow Rider is significantly better with expanding force than Mewtwo is. Poor Mewtwo
Oh and Zacian is also a pretty good check to calyrex because it lives any captured STAB boosted move, and threatens an OHKO back with intrepid sword plus 1 behemoth blade.
I need help from the Skrawments: building a “snow motion” team around caly-IR and need to think of my last two mons. Slowking, magmar & amoonguss all feel good on this team but outside of that nothing has felt that great
Might be a weird pick but i think regular zacien could still have a niche, losing the steel typing means it isnt weak to the fire coverage of the sv legends and it still has a higher base speed than both of them. You lose access to behemoth blade and the stat bump but you gain access to the item slot which would allow you to run a scarf to outspeed protosynthesis fluttermane
i get that kyogre is hard and finniky to get working but between STAB, Rain, and helping han dif you use it water spout sky rokets to 450 base power! being a fricking nuke killing everything that it hits and is not a resist, and making it work, finding the super niche pokemon that can help it is just very fun, that's why despite everything i run kyogre.
But I think the problem with koraidon and miraidon is that they both die to flutter mane even if flutter isn’t specs. (Koraidon to dazzling gleam, a move that flutter mane likes to run anyway, and miraidon to moonblast a more niche pick but still used.). Not to mention after one speed drop, flutter can out speed and KO even calyrex shadow rider with shadow ball. (Koraidon and Miaidon fall under the same category).
Could you imagine people starting to use galarian Weezing or Pincurchin just because they set their terrains after Indeedee just to sucker punch calyrex shadow? That would be nuts to see
18:45 If you go 252 Speed on adamant Urshifu you are actually 1 speed higher than Timid 252 Calyrex-Shaddow. This version also has 5 more attack than a Jolly Urshifu that tops out at the same speed and goes for 252 attack instead, assumimg you use 156 adamant like the showdown damage calcualtor suggests as an usual stat spread for Reg F.
Groudon will reign supreme with clear amulet. Also isn't koraidon like 4 time weak to flutter man , how is it an S - tier when u have to dump your tera to even touch fluttermane.
yeah, its p much directly outclassed by groudon, being faster also means that you're more likely to lose the weather war funnily also putting kyogre in c bc of sun when kyogre might just be the best sun team counter is truly one of the most moves of all time
Some of these choices didn't age well. Kyoger's output is just obsurd and Tornadus support isnt that much of a cost, while Koraidon clowns on Groudon who gets no consistent moves. Meanwhile Palkia-O has the funny instant Crit button, making it B teir IMO. and he REALLY underestimated Zamazenta's Body Press shenanigans
What annoys me the most about the Calyrex forms isn’t the brokenness, it’s that they made the sweeper the ghost one and the defensive one ice. The worst defensive type in the game.
I think kyogre WILL be good. Does he get the benefits that sun teams provide? No he does not. But he gets something arguably just as good… Countering them. Hard. A slow kyogre turning off koraidon’s sun is a BIG deal, because suddenly all those protosynthesis paradox pokemon are sitting ducks and so is koraidon. Weather wars are back boys
@@cameronmyers5716 that’s why I said one of the worst, ghost/psychic is no bug/grass or but you can make an argument for it being a bottom 10/20 typing combo in the game
because its the thing he is good at i mean he is the best partner for the best trickroom sweeper calyrex ice rider i mean lunala best set is literally just trick room power herb wide guard even tho it has 97 speed and its probably because of new mon which has 130 base speed or more
@jhaydenjoecredo3761 If Palkia has 100 speed, then that means Trick Room is most certainly not a good moveset for it. Same goes to Lunala, who has a speed stat of 97. To set up Trick Room, it's better to use an already slow Pokémon like Farigiraf or Slowking, one that doesn't mind using a move with decreased priority and can often go first once Trick Room is active. If a fast Pokémon were trying to set Trick Room up, it would be wasting time doing that when it could be instead dishing out fast and hard damage. And once Trick Room is active, those fast Pokémon will be rendered vulnerable since they'll then be much later in the priority bracket. Lots of chances for Lunala to get destroyed by Shadow Ball or Crunch before it gets a chance to attack.
@@trevorpacelli8056 yeah but no one uses SLOWBRO and its not just all about damage i mean follow me trickroom is annoying or maybe fake out trickroom you look like someone who doesn't play competitive tbh
@@LAIDDN24 No, I do play. And by the way, I said SlowKING, not SlowBRO. And just because nobody uses either of those Slowpoke evolutions doesn't mean they're bad. I've used Slowbro on a Trick Room team before and it's actually amazing at keeping itself and its partner alive with Regenerator, Trick Room, Slack Off, and Heal Pulse. It's all about thinking smarter, not harder.
@@trevorpacelli8056 yeah but still not knowing that lunala and palkia is more of trickroom sweeper is crazy cause calyrex-ice and palkia is literally insane in swsh i mean one of calyrex-shadow counter is literally lunala just because of wide guard so lunala can play with calyrex well
Koraidon in S? Naah, I think Groudon is better than Koraidon in this format. I'd put Koraidon in A. And as far as I can tell, Zamazenta can really do good in this format, shuts down most Flutter Manes.
@@lulugaj5859 overall rayray isn't as good as Dragonite, they both want do the same which is tera normal espeed the team, Dragonite has a better ability, bulk and doesn't need to worry about intimidate, so i don't see any reason to use rayray over them
@@lulugaj5859 both are just going to use tera normal espeed so begin slower doesn't matter, Dragonite doesn't need to care about intimidate unlike rayray thanks to inner focus, Dragonite can use any item like choice band, and the weather control is pretty useless on what both of them are going to do.
Bruh... Koraidon, Miraidon, and Calyrex shadow are just dumb. Simple and plain. They are dumb dumb dumb. Pokemon should chill with stuff like that. Even mega-reyquaza needed the Mega form to be as broken as it is.
I won't stand for this future paradox slander, the only past paradox to see widespread play is also the single best non restricted mon in existence, Flutter Mane. The other past paradoxes are just as niche as their future paradox friends
Most legendaries have completely masculine features. However I regard mons that are more feminine features like zacian and ogerpon as female. And I’m pretty sure lunala is straight up supposed to be a male evolution of cosmog even though it has no gender
@@xxcridonxx7614 even when Pokémon are mechanically and/or lore-wise canonically gendered.. I would never call them anything but "it" when referring to it as a species of Pokémon.
We all know cosmog is the most broken restricted legendary
Its incineroar tera legendary
Cosmog can solo every legendary.
Cosmog using Splash on your back solos
The fact he acctually could oh ko pokemon just by splashing on then bcuz of his ginourmous weight already makes him the strongest pokemon ever.
@@gabrielblox_br1395 That’s Cosmoem
We might need a bird who's made out of bacon to save us from a weird headed dude riding his emo horse
😂😂
I feel happy that I’m the 69th like on this comment 😂
The funniest part is that neutralizing gas doesnt disable its ability meaning that even if it only had stopped berries from being eaten it would be better then mewtwo because it goes through neutralizing gas😭
They did my favorite Mewtwo so dirty
Calyrex Shadow will reign supreme and run amok without Yveltal, due to Gamefreak's incompetence.
Yveltal will come back
@@1stchosenoneever Oh, after legends ZA, with a guaranteed new form? Hah, calyrex shadow will never sew the light of day again.
Iron jugulis is pretty good against shadow
@@nightriva1992or you could use a dark type that actually does something
@@cameronmyers5716 miraidon is here and with quark speed boost, jugulis is faster than calyrex shadow plus with access to snarl it can lower it's special attack, it also has acess to tailwind and taunaty
that zamazenta placement did not age well lol
rayquaza gets swords dance; dragonite only gets dragon dance. rayquaza actually gets a good flying type move; dragonite gets nothing
airlock shuts down the weather in a completely weather-dependent meta, while inner focus on dragonite just blocks intimidate (which clear amulet on rayquaza already does) and also blocks flinch. but do you really need to play dragonite over rayquaza just to block a fake-out?
rayquaza is still probably the better pick between the two. checkmate, athiests
Better pokemon, not better pick. I'd rather dragonite and another restricted than rayquaza
But you can have Dragonite, which is intimidate and Fake Out immune ALONG WITH Zacian, Calyrex-Shafow, either of the Dons etc. With Rayquaza, you lose out to ALL of those options.
It's opportunity cost. Why have a lump of gold, when you can have a lump of silver ON TOP of a lump of pure unfiltered platinum?
What if it gets its mega too
Yah I was thinking that as well ray gets dragon accent with flying close combat
yeah why the fuck HoOh does not get revival blessing?
New Move: Ho-Oh Blessing. Revives a Pokemon that has fainted and restores all that Pokemon's HP
I think I might have put Kyurem White in B, those Blizzards in Snow will hit like a truck.
Nikhil Reddy income
Honestly shadow rider clayrex, ice rider clayrex, urshifu, flutter mane and miraidon needs an omega nerf going into gen 10
We need storm drain for ghost/fairy moves, urshifu shouldn’t hit through protect and A good electric terrain setter that isn’t a legendary
Urshifu should do reduced damage against protected Pokémon like z moves and dinamax moves used to.
Shadow rider stats should be redistributed in to -10 Sp.Atk and Speed and put the 20 points into Atk, Grim neigh should be rebooted into being like an auto Spite when KO'd (that sounds way more interesting imo), and give Astral Barrage actual downsides, like a -1 Sp. Atk, or recoil, or hell even make it an Outrage clone.
Ice rider is a much cooler mechanical design imo (no pun intended) but I'd make Glacial Lance into a Bolt Strike clone and not make it a spread cause that makes no sense, MAYBE redistribute its stats a little less minmax into whatever makes more sense to you. But that's about it.
Urshifu, just change unseen fist into doing 25% of the original damage like how Z moves/max moves worked and you're good
Flutter Mane, just redistribute the stats into 65/125 and i think that would be enough
Miraidon... if they REALLY can't remove hadron engine from the game and stick with with Electric Surge, then maybe give it the Intrepid Sword treatment, best I can think of.
i think a great balance would be being able to hit through protect, but failing otherwise.
Pinchurn is good trust
@@yungmuney5903I think a better astral barrage nerf would be to make it 85 accuracy like precipice blades/origin pulse
calyrex shadowrider is such a broken mon. just looking at its stats and ability it makes you how gamefreak thought it was ok to release
fr but not surprised, game freak just being game freak
It incentivized buying the DLC. You need to remember that Gamefreak is a corporation first and a balancer second.
Not just broken stats and ability. Broken stats and ability, and you can hold any item.
I Think Shadow-Rider Is A Fair Pokémon In Both Stats/Ability , They Literally Balanced It By Making It x4 Weak To Dark AND Ghost .. You Just Gotta Take It Seriously Fight Against It , If You Aren’t Serious They Yea It’ll Sweep You ! 😂
@@Endershock1678Also Think About It , A Normal/Dark-Type OWN Shadow Rider You Just AGAIN “ Gotta Play It Properly “ .. Fight It Enough And You’ll Learn How To Beat It . 👏🏽
I understand Kyogre has some struggles in this format, but C seems super low when it still does super well against non-sun and non-Miraidon teams. I wouldn't have predicted it either but Miraidon isn't getting results right now, maybe that will change as time goes on.
I used a regular kyogre team and out of 10 matches I only won 4. It lost to Zekrom specific teams with gouging, lost to groudon and koraidon, and inevitably the superior calyrex and miraidon.
this was a tornogre team mind you with other really good members like shifu or kingdra and grimmsnarl just to help give ogre some tankiness alongside av
The problem I think is that while I does well vs non-sun and non-miraidon teams, there's going to be A LOT of sun and miraidon teams. And if you really want to not run sun or miraidon, then you're probably going to be better off running one of the Calyrex forms.
@@Drakoth01 I’d still argue it has the tools very much to go even with Groudon sun, the much more popular and batter sun setter. As for Miraidon, it’s turned out to be a little overhyped, the throne is basically going over to both Calyrexs which Kyogre does very well against. We kinda did the same thing with Incineroar, it couldn’t really beat many of the new meta threats but it’s still a very powerful tool. Beating 2/3 of the best restricted and going even with the third(Calys+Groudon) is a powerful niche and when you compare Kyogre to everyone else in C tier nobody else comes nearly as close to stacking up.
@@kobiemartinbose6126 skill issue frankly
I feel like restricted formats are pretty good formats due to them being more inclined to be offensive and also there feels like more diversity with more Pokémon being used more often during these formats like ludicolo
I do not agree. I think reg f has the highest variance I've seen in Pokemon ever. SV has a good mix. But Shadow rider will be the best Pokemon in single restricted. There will be a couple of optimal teams with it and that's what will be mostly used. I still think it will be fun but double restricted will likely be the higher variant format. I do it's much more offensive based. Matches are decided quickly
I honestly don’t think Rayquaza will be THAT bad. I can see it giving Sun teams a hard time because of Air Lock. That would allow you to weaken Koraidon while it is on field, and if Rayquaza is next to a flutter mane for example it will force it to either commit its Tera or protect. Not to mention this would also deny protosynthesis boost from opposing flutter manes and raging bolts too.
I really think Rayquaza's better than even Kyogre in this format.
imagine if they gave +36 speed points to palkia origin
that could have been funny ngl
That’s awfully specif- wait a minute
Tera starstorm is 120 base power, not 100
This Aged very Terribly with Terapagos,Calyrex,Miraidon and Zamazenta being top 5
You know, knowing that Pokemon Legends Z-A is coming, I think everyone missed the hint towards it that was hidden in the Indigo Disk DLC. Out of all box art legendaries from gens 1-8, they didn't bring back Xerneas and Yveltal.
I made a video about that!
And if they can continue to leave out xerneas I will be very happy
I think eternatus might be decent. It has good speed and HP with good moves.
I think its biggest weakness is that it is slower than flutter mane, chien pao, and koraidon/miraidon. I believe it can work, but it won't be the best option.
Maybe give it a choice scarf then ? It has a bigger natural speed than them all anyway
Love your honesty about Kyogre
Where's my baby geomancy xerneas? More broken thn all
I guess her time is coming when the X&Y remakes drop😔
Good list, but zamazenta undersold.
Because body press calcs off of defense and not attack, in that way he is immune to intimidate. 140 base +1 with stab and he turns incineroar into jelly. Very very valuable to directly counter such an important mon. And with that +1 Def you can play more offensively, you don't need to stack iron defense as much. You can play much faster paced than registeel or komo-o, or you can have a comfey partner and play slow if you want to.
Not to mention wide guard, he can protect his teammates from calyrex spread attacks.
In double restricted I see it, but in single restricted having your restricted be there to beat incin doesn’t sound great
In a general standpoint, I'd believe groudon is the superior sun setter than koraidon. While even if groudon wins the weather war against kyogre, you can still get Ice beam'd or still hurt with origin pulse, you still have so many pokemon you usually pair with groudon like flutter mane, raging bolt, etc. Koraidon on the other hand is faster than groudon and wins against kyogre even if you lose the weather war. Problem is Koraidon's typing puts it in danger against flutter mane and even worse, both flutter mane and koraidon tie in speed at 135 making it a VERY rough matchup while groudon doesn't have that problem.
You couldn't possibly be more wrong about Zamazenta. This dude dominates everything now 😂.
No eternatus?
I’ve practiced with kyrem white. As long as u know how to control weather u can do a lot.
I do think that rayquaza definitely has a niche of countering koraidon's sun, but that niche is so niche that unless you have a truly impenetrable strategy to get around EVERY counter then it won't work out. That's just how the cookie crumbles. Now eternatus is definitely worth looking at. Power herb meteor beam with tera poison sludge bomb and dynamax cannon counters every top picked pokemon in doubles right now save gholdengo. I've looked at the analytics and run the calcs. This is eternatus's time to shine
This video's title should be "Ranking Pokemon based on how far they've fallen off"
In my opinion, calyrex ice is more broken than shadow rider. The level of bulk is what sells it for me. My friend and I were testing it, and, while water tera and at about 90%, it lived a rillaboom wood hammer on grassy terrain at like 11%. Who cares that you have to get trick room up when you can live every hit, then just kill whatever you want?
yeah ngl if you can get snow up and trick room up i think its just wayyy too busted😭😭slow kings might pair well
Imagine if calyrex (SR) had 5 ATK instead of 85 and put those points into bulk.
The base stat distribution of Carylex is like the fan-made Pokemon that a 7-year-old would make when he first learned about the concept of Pokemon stats.
I do just wanna point out that you said that scarfed urshi doesn’t outspeed with adamant, but adamant max speed urshi outspeeds shadow rider by ONE point, overal fantastic video tho, underrated channel
I thought mewtwo might be able to do something with expanding force sad to see mewtwo is still not great compared to other restricted legendary pokemon
Yeah I wanted to have a team with Mewtwo running expanding force. But Calyrex Shadow Rider is significantly better with expanding force than Mewtwo is. Poor Mewtwo
12:12 correct me if im wrong, but isnt eterrain now only a 1.3x boost?
Only starting on Gen 8. But One of the terrains doesn't follow that nerf
I think it's misty terrain that still has 1.5 boost but could be wrong
@@DreamDevilsMultiverseOfMadness Misty terrain has no boost, just nerfs dragon moves and prevents status conditions.
@@yungmuney5903 Ah. Knew there was something up with Misty Terrain. Just couldn't remember what.
I wanna see a video where koraidon and miraidon are compared on witch one will be better in the upcoming format
Oh and Zacian is also a pretty good check to calyrex because it lives any captured STAB boosted move, and threatens an OHKO back with intrepid sword plus 1 behemoth blade.
I would like to see a 6 legendary vgc season.
I need help from the Skrawments: building a “snow motion” team around caly-IR and need to think of my last two mons. Slowking, magmar & amoonguss all feel good on this team but outside of that nothing has felt that great
Hear me out...Tera Ice Blizzard Kyogre with Alolan Ninetails. That way you have a secondary win con.
People complain that Lunala is just Ghost-Psychic restricted Raging Bolt but I just shake in my boots thinking about a team with 2 raging bolts
blud did not just put kyogre bellow base dialga and terapagos 💀
Terapagos is better,Tho lower than Dialga is just,Weird.
not to be that guy but timid max speed calyrex shadow rider gets out-sped by scarfed urshifu by one point lol
Early results suggest Lunala & Terapagos might have been undersold here
My bro lost a tournament against kyogre cause he is still kicking butts 😂
There was 1 Kyogre in Stockholm day 2 that snuck in because the event was small enough to let 6-3’s day 2
Watching this after Michael kelsh won Stockholm is funny
How far has Mewtwo fallen since Sun and Moon…
it was never good
@@koonky5979 It was good in gen 1.
@@GeorgeDCowley gen 1 don't count
@@koonky5979 Mewtwo Y wasn’t good? What are you smoking?
@@Dawg477 it was barely viable in vgc
Zamazenta argument aged well
Might be a weird pick but i think regular zacien could still have a niche, losing the steel typing means it isnt weak to the fire coverage of the sv legends and it still has a higher base speed than both of them. You lose access to behemoth blade and the stat bump but you gain access to the item slot which would allow you to run a scarf to outspeed protosynthesis fluttermane
i get that kyogre is hard and finniky to get working but between STAB, Rain, and helping han dif you use it water spout sky rokets to 450 base power! being a fricking nuke killing everything that it hits and is not a resist, and making it work, finding the super niche pokemon that can help it is just very fun, that's why despite everything i run kyogre.
But I think the problem with koraidon and miraidon is that they both die to flutter mane even if flutter isn’t specs. (Koraidon to dazzling gleam, a move that flutter mane likes to run anyway, and miraidon to moonblast a more niche pick but still used.). Not to mention after one speed drop, flutter can out speed and KO even calyrex shadow rider with shadow ball. (Koraidon and Miaidon fall under the same category).
Kyurem should at least be in B-tier if you’re actually trying to say anything about their buffs and synergy
Could you imagine people starting to use galarian Weezing or Pincurchin just because they set their terrains after Indeedee just to sucker punch calyrex shadow? That would be nuts to see
18:45 If you go 252 Speed on adamant Urshifu you are actually 1 speed higher than Timid 252 Calyrex-Shaddow. This version also has 5 more attack than a Jolly Urshifu that tops out at the same speed and goes for 252 attack instead, assumimg you use 156 adamant like the showdown damage calcualtor suggests as an usual stat spread for Reg F.
You’re right! Made this video mostly off the top of the head so sorry for that mistake
@@skrawvgc To be fair said suggested set also ran like 216 speed with which it would be slower than Calyrex so you're not entirely wrong.
Always felt like Solgaleo should have had a Fire Absorbing ability given it's supposed to be the embodiment of the friggin sun
my boy groudon is #1
this gen has so many entry hazrds sashes break and so do shadow shields
I understand that Kyogre fell of, but C sounds to harsh to me, we talking about one of the best legendary of all time.
pretty funny how after honolulu the ideas about groudon and kyogre have completely flipped
edit: and also that no one used miraidon
Damn it GameFreak. Make Mewtwo great again (or at least usable)
Groudon will reign supreme with clear amulet. Also isn't koraidon like 4 time weak to flutter man , how is it an S - tier when u have to dump your tera to even touch fluttermane.
it has decent match up like kommo-o
He Has To Dump His Tera To Touch Primarina !
Koraidon is not s tier, its weakness to flutter mane is just too much
That's exactly what I was thinking I think it is low A or high B tier
yeah, its p much directly outclassed by groudon, being faster also means that you're more likely to lose the weather war funnily
also putting kyogre in c bc of sun when kyogre might just be the best sun team counter is truly one of the most moves of all time
It’s Weakness To ANY Fairy-Type Is Too Much , Primarina(P-Goat) OWNS Koriadon ! 😂
@@melvondrewhite2674 Nobody uses Primarina in vgc
@@shakkedgolan7954 fr 🤣
> says Necrozma ability is eh because of clear amulet
> says Necrozma DM is more eh because it doesn't have Necrozma ability
make it make sense
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Solgaleo.
Some of these choices didn't age well. Kyoger's output is just obsurd and Tornadus support isnt that much of a cost, while Koraidon clowns on Groudon who gets no consistent moves. Meanwhile Palkia-O has the funny instant Crit button, making it B teir IMO. and he REALLY underestimated Zamazenta's Body Press shenanigans
What annoys me the most about the Calyrex forms isn’t the brokenness, it’s that they made the sweeper the ghost one and the defensive one ice. The worst defensive type in the game.
I think kyogre WILL be good.
Does he get the benefits that sun teams provide? No he does not. But he gets something arguably just as good…
Countering them. Hard. A slow kyogre turning off koraidon’s sun is a BIG deal, because suddenly all those protosynthesis paradox pokemon are sitting ducks and so is koraidon. Weather wars are back boys
"Kyogre's a C-level Pokemon" hehe
Ting Lu subtlety eats 🤭
It’s hilarious the Calyrex Shadow Rider is the best Pokémon in SV even though it has arguably the worst typing in the game
Who is even arguing that, the typing’s not great but worst is a massive stretch
@@cameronmyers5716 that’s why I said one of the worst, ghost/psychic is no bug/grass or but you can make an argument for it being a bottom 10/20 typing combo in the game
@@matto5527that is not what you said though?
Electric terrain is not 50% boost anymore
If the dear was in scarlet and violet it would be triple s tier
Let me guess number 1 is incenoroar with tera legendary
If only cosmoem has body press
12:13 isnt terrain 30%
3:48 Also, you're faster, so you can beat them how I once did in ORAS.
“Water dragon is generally a good type” - choice specs quark speed iron bundle freeze dry in electric terrain.
Rayquaza is op and the bestest and i have won many a game with a swords dance rayquaza sweep
Worse Dragonite in VGC right now tbh
Disagree on koraidon terapagos and lunala placements
It's Incineroar isn't it?💀💀
Give Mewtwo Neuroforce/Psychic Surge. Please GF...
Whoa there how about we don’t give it surge
No , No Neuroforce Is Ultra Necrozma(GOD’s Ability) .. Mewtwo Can Have Psychic Surge Tho . 🙂👍🏽
No Urshifu?
Not a Restricted Pokémon
7:14 why would anyone in the right mind make a Pokémon as fast as Palkia a Trick Room Pokémon? The logic there makes zero sense.
because its the thing he is good at
i mean he is the best partner for the best trickroom sweeper calyrex ice rider
i mean lunala best set is literally just trick room power herb wide guard even tho it has 97 speed
and its probably because of new mon which has 130 base speed or more
@jhaydenjoecredo3761 If Palkia has 100 speed, then that means Trick Room is most certainly not a good moveset for it. Same goes to Lunala, who has a speed stat of 97. To set up Trick Room, it's better to use an already slow Pokémon like Farigiraf or Slowking, one that doesn't mind using a move with decreased priority and can often go first once Trick Room is active. If a fast Pokémon were trying to set Trick Room up, it would be wasting time doing that when it could be instead dishing out fast and hard damage. And once Trick Room is active, those fast Pokémon will be rendered vulnerable since they'll then be much later in the priority bracket. Lots of chances for Lunala to get destroyed by Shadow Ball or Crunch before it gets a chance to attack.
@@trevorpacelli8056 yeah but no one uses SLOWBRO
and its not just all about damage
i mean follow me trickroom is annoying
or maybe fake out trickroom
you look like someone who doesn't play competitive tbh
@@LAIDDN24 No, I do play. And by the way, I said SlowKING, not SlowBRO. And just because nobody uses either of those Slowpoke evolutions doesn't mean they're bad. I've used Slowbro on a Trick Room team before and it's actually amazing at keeping itself and its partner alive with Regenerator, Trick Room, Slack Off, and Heal Pulse. It's all about thinking smarter, not harder.
@@trevorpacelli8056 yeah but still not knowing that lunala and palkia is more of trickroom sweeper is crazy
cause calyrex-ice and palkia is literally insane in swsh
i mean one of calyrex-shadow counter is literally lunala just because of wide guard
so lunala can play with calyrex well
Koraidon in S? Naah, I think Groudon is better than Koraidon in this format. I'd put Koraidon in A. And as far as I can tell, Zamazenta can really do good in this format, shuts down most Flutter Manes.
Aren't Yveltal, Xerneas and Zygard also legendary pokemon?
They’re not in Scsrlet and Violet
he pronounces “pokemon”2 different ways and alternates almost every time he says it 😅
Where’s The X,Y,Z/Aura Trio ?
Not in SV, waiting for Legends ZA to be out
@@mukatte4755Yeah. That’s Why They Were Absent in SV.
They're not in the game. Eternatus isn't on the list though
@@TheRedStinger82it's cause this is a tierlist for boxart legendaries
@@ezar0744 eternatus is a restricted. It is legal in Reg G
You look like Robert Pattinson
but rayquaza has swords dance and extremespeed its really powerful
Not better than Dragonite
@@Turtlecommitscrime its still a legitimate b tier restricted and its better than dnite in sone situations
@@lulugaj5859 overall rayray isn't as good as Dragonite, they both want do the same which is tera normal espeed the team, Dragonite has a better ability, bulk and doesn't need to worry about intimidate, so i don't see any reason to use rayray over them
@@Turtlecommitscrime dragonite doesn't have good flying stab,no swords dance , no weather control and its slower...
@@lulugaj5859 both are just going to use tera normal espeed so begin slower doesn't matter, Dragonite doesn't need to care about intimidate unlike rayray thanks to inner focus, Dragonite can use any item like choice band, and the weather control is pretty useless on what both of them are going to do.
What about Dudunsparce
hi is xerneas not restricted ?
Xerneas is NOT allowed in Scarlet and Violet. Neither are Yveltal and Zygarde.
ultra nezrozma, mega mewtwo
Bruh... Koraidon, Miraidon, and Calyrex shadow are just dumb. Simple and plain. They are dumb dumb dumb. Pokemon should chill with stuff like that. Even mega-reyquaza needed the Mega form to be as broken as it is.
powercreep at it's finest
Where is mew
the term legendary spammer is incredibly stupid
I won't stand for this future paradox slander, the only past paradox to see widespread play is also the single best non restricted mon in existence, Flutter Mane. The other past paradoxes are just as niche as their future paradox friends
Raging Bolt.
Gouging Fire
1000th like on the video🫡
Why is everything a "he"? 🤔
Not everything has to be about gender😑
^Easy to say when you're the default
Most legendaries have completely masculine features. However I regard mons that are more feminine features like zacian and ogerpon as female. And I’m pretty sure lunala is straight up supposed to be a male evolution of cosmog even though it has no gender
@@xxcridonxx7614 even when Pokémon are mechanically and/or lore-wise canonically gendered.. I would never call them anything but "it" when referring to it as a species of Pokémon.
@@AdeptCharon fair. But I do think legendaries (or atleast some of them) can breed. It’s just that game freak doesn’t want us to breed for legendaries
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Does being first to comment actually matter in any way, shape, or form? 😂
Looked interesting, can't stand RUclipsrs who have to be on screen constantly though, can't watch.
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