Team Plasma looked at mewtwo and was like “they went overboard, you need to make it strong but questionable enough to doubt.” Only for it to be perfectly broken. That’s some smart engineering right there
Shoutouts to Genesect being the only Uber to be top tier in Ubers for one generation, then complete garbage in the tier every generation afterwards despite being technically buffed each time.
People at the start of a generation: I wonder if X redundant/outclassed mon will be fine in OU? People 30 seconds later after said outclassed mon no longer needs to find a niche, and just use what made the thing better than it good, and are getting swept by Extreme Killer Arceus-Bug:
"Fun" is one way of putting it. I for one, don't like getting steamrolled by the broken Ultra Beasts or the garbage Deoxys forms. Shoot, I remember a time where even Deoxys Defense was briefly allowed one generation and it made me want to quit the game it was so frustrating to play against.
@@zacksavoia9895 douse does have the downside of straight up telling you it's douse drive, which means there are no mindgames around which of its fifteen different sets it is
It keeps coming back because gensect is fun to use so everyone seems to unconsciously collectively agreed to test it back every generation in hopes that its not too broken this time.
I recall a comment I made when Genesect was banned from gen 8 : "What's more fascinating? That Genesect manages to be just as broken if not more every single generation despite the existence of Powercreep or that we are still trying to see if it's the generation where Genesect will finally stop being broken every single time ?"
Just the fact that Genesect is like merging Kabutops, Scizor, and Mewtwo into one Pokémon is just so immensely sick. Type of stuff you loved as a kid haha
These scripted videos are great! So much improvement from the start: really well written, well edited to keep a nice pace, and your delivery seems very natural now.
It is rumored that abilities like intimidate, speed boost, download, intrepid sword are getting nerfed to be usable just once in a battle. That could make Genesect OU, if it ever happens
@@invisibilius1978 I heard it may also be nerfed to just one turn, I also remember the same said for magic guard that it could be hurt bys passive damage like rocks
Using banded Genesect in the early Crown Tundra days, alongside Lando-I and Power Construct Zygarde, must've been some of the most fun I've ever had in Showdown. Spamming U-Turn was criminally fun
What I’ve noticed is that borderline ou/uber mons tend to be banned once they have multiple strong sets. Like magearna stayed in ou for a while with it’s AV set until it also gained the setup set which got it banned.
Yeah with predictable counter the tier does manage to deal with such absurdly strong mons but with multiple sets that's not possible. I even ran a scarf Magerna, it's a pretty shit set on paper BUT worked pretty well for some reason.
When I was a kid all I wanted was a genesect (I didn’t have wifi so I couldn’t get it) I spent all of 4th grade walking the streets, the only kid without it. Later when gameshark had gone on sale, a certain little boy walked the streets with 6 level 100 genesects
I remember when genesect was banned from gen 8 there was a glitch for a couple of hours that you could use drive genesect I spammed the daylights out of douse drive until it was fixed
With Joey's great script essay this video was a blast to edit. If there was not enough explosion here there will be more if Genosect comes back in Scarlet and Violet with the new mechanic and no matter what he was before, he will be more broken if he remains to have Download and same statistical spread.
You're improving at these types of videos Joey! This shit is really well done. You come off as informative, but natural and whoever is doing the editing is doing a top tier job :]
I like these types of vids man. It’s clear you put a lot of effort into narrating this nicely and it pays off kn my opinion. I can could to this the entire day
I honestly can see why Genesect was always at least tested while Mewtwo wasn't. I had to look up its stats and, tbh, just looking at the stats alone, it doesn't seem that bad. Extremely strong for sure, but hampered by low (somewhat) HP and a rather low speed even at the time of its introduction. Mewtwo has 80 extra BST that patches up exactly these two areas making it immediately apparent how strong it is, whereas Genesect has a few very specific tools that push it there. U-Turn + Download are just insanely versatile, and even moreso with well distributed stats. In a way, I like Genesect, because it shows that you don't need higher than normal stats to be abnormally powerful. It's really "just" a technically enhanced ancient bug that uses some of the best tools of its two unified halves - U-Turn being possibly the best thing coming from Bug type and Download being an uncharacteristically digital ability.
With how much Game Freak has been willing to nerf/remove in the past gen I would not even be surprised if this somehow became the case. If not in SV then maybe a gen after
I watch all your vids and love the the direction! My recommendation for future videos like this to blow up would be to slow down and pause just a tiny bit for us to digest the info! From a dedicated viewer
I remember BW Dream World OU as one of the most fun metagames ever. Genesect, Shadow Tag Chandelure and Sand Rush Excadril may each be broken on their own, but they're kind of fine when you also allow the rest of them. Throw in Darkrai, Deoxys-A, Ladorus-I, Shaymin-S, Speed Boost Blaziken, Mega Lucario, Mega Kangaskhan, Magearna, Garchomp, Soul Dew, Swift Swim, Baton Pass and everything else that has ever been tested in OU even briefly, and you'd have a proper OUBL metagame. Oh, and no-preview Zoroark too.
I think Genesect being legal in OU at the start of a metagame at this point is a recurring joke. I mean, the thing is banned from fucking NATIONAL DEX OU. They HAVE to know. It has to be a joke it keeps getting unbanned.
It's not too late, ask your local gamestop if they still got a genesect/volcanion code. The codes will still be viable till late December. Get your meta breaking bugged bug today.
Missed the perfect opportunity to add the clip of Terminator saying “wrong” after saying right? Right? Right? Especially since you started talking about Terminator and Alien after
I only started playing in gen 8 but the three days that genesect was legal made me realize why it gets banned every gen. It was clearly centralizing even with all the other broken stuff that were introduced in the same DLC like Lando-I and Pheromosa.
Genesect was my favorite Pokémon for the longest time. Nice to see a video on them. Edit; Also, Scarlet Violet spoiler It’s stupid Genesect didn’t get a Paradox form
I mean, people allowed PHEROMOSA for months in OU who is basically a fighting type Genesect. It's not all bad news though, since that mon made one of the most intriguing mons in OU popular: GALARIAN SLOWKING.
Genesect is CURSED! Doomed to forever be unbanned at the start of the generation but banned again once it really gets underway. I still love it though...for the whole couple of weeks that it's in OU.
I wish you had shown it's stats (and comparison), abilities and moves at the start of the video. I dont know much about the competitive pokemon so these info would.be really useful!
Bug type is my favorite type and I know we get mad trash talk cause Bug isnt a good type but its legit got some of the coolest pokemon alongside Ghost Genesecet Volcarona Scyther Scizor Flygon Its crazy how good Bug can be
Ahh Genesect. My favorite steel type. Still love the movie that introduced the extreme speed shiny version. Single handedly made banded Genesect go from excellent to ridiculous. Did not matter if others ran scarfers or revenge killers.
I know this is kinda odd but I have nowhere else to say this, I got randomly traded this genesect from the Pokémon movie 13 back in 2013, that has every single ribbon a player can have on it. It’s also shiny.
Genesects biggest weakness is definitely phat boys, and team building somehow just thinning it out forcing it to not run ungodly mixed sets. Like Ubers now. I find the most usage in boots, shift gear uturn. Like whatever coverage I want, prob Thunder, isn’t gonna get the job done vs hooh, it absolutely would vs Corv lmao.
yanmega should have a unique move that’s like a double power uturn or something. dragonfly’s are the most arialy maneuverable creatures on the planet i think it fits
I can understand Genesect being unbanned in every gen, except Gen 8. I can see why since it gets suspect tested/quickbanned and it doesn't perform as well in Ubers (even in Gen 8). Since at that point, a lot of people were aware of how this mythical is. Considering its good bulk, defensive typing, wide movepool, Download, and mixed attacking stats which make it unpredictable what set it has, it was pretty clear it was very oppressive in OU.
What I really like about Genesect is despite it being broken, it's not a Pokemon that can be spammed with brute force and direct attacks by noobs unlike other uber Pokemons. It is broken if you use it right which is what makes it my favorite Pokemon. Or in short, Genesect is an uber Pokemon that many noobs aren't aware of.
I mean ANY Pokémon where you can change the typing almost at Will is broken. Genesect however has a move that turns into STAB and changes with the type.
Genesect being broken is just a sign of great engineering. Team plasma stays winning
Genesect do be built Ford Tough
Team Plasma looked at mewtwo and was like “they went overboard, you need to make it strong but questionable enough to doubt.” Only for it to be perfectly broken. That’s some smart engineering right there
But how can they be winning if their machine is always broken???????🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
Plasma Science is the best in the world
@@Thund3rDrag0n12 nah, cause it's actually well made lol
I think BKC said it best, “when a mon gets banned based on the brokenness of its SCARF set, then u know it’s busted”
BKC is the hermit ontop of the mountain dispensing wisdom down to us
OU council: "Yeah let's let Genesect down into OU again"
Genesect: "HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN???"
Can’t wait to use Genesect in OU for 30 minutes 😎
XD
Genesect on its way to demolish OU for two days before it gets inevitably banned again every time a new generation is released
Its not in the game.
A new record
@@guangdong6805 one of the best Smogon traditions
Shoutouts to Genesect being the only Uber to be top tier in Ubers for one generation, then complete garbage in the tier every generation afterwards despite being technically buffed each time.
That is what you call "power creep"
@@anusthing the only one tho
Primal Groudon: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?"
True gamers live to experience the two weeks of Gensect in OU at the start of a new gen before it gets banned
Only time when Gen 8 OU was fun tbh
2 weeks? Thats too long
Dynamax UU was such a funny tier for the week It lasted
genesect getting banned to ubers 0.2 seconds after gen 9 comes out
new generation ou is never fun because of the new mons. it's fun because for a brief moment, the OUBL Gods are unchained.
Exactly
People at the start of a generation: I wonder if X redundant/outclassed mon will be fine in OU?
People 30 seconds later after said outclassed mon no longer needs to find a niche, and just use what made the thing better than it good, and are getting swept by Extreme Killer Arceus-Bug:
"Fun" is one way of putting it. I for one, don't like getting steamrolled by the broken Ultra Beasts or the garbage Deoxys forms. Shoot, I remember a time where even Deoxys Defense was briefly allowed one generation and it made me want to quit the game it was so frustrating to play against.
Hell no battle of stats? Game has so much depth and mechanics non used, you can almost know everyones move set cause they just copy stuff on smogon
Spoiler alert: there is no switch in to a banded +1 u-turn oh wait I mean life orb bolt beam oh wait I mean shift gear iron head oh wa
Max speed, flame body heatran is the only thing that could it least safely switchin
@@dracomenace Water drive techno blast beats heatran too. There really is no switching in to it.
@@zacksavoia9895 douse does have the downside of straight up telling you it's douse drive, which means there are no mindgames around which of its fifteen different sets it is
@@mort3562 I agree it's not optimal, but it really just highlights the absurdity of Genesect's versatility
@@mort3562 As said in the vid, so what if you know it's Douse Drive? What're you gonna do, go to your other Genesect check that doesn't exist?
I think everybody knows Genesect is/will be broken each gen. The damn thing is just so cool/well-designed that people want to use it so badly anyway.
It keeps coming back because gensect is fun to use so everyone seems to unconsciously collectively agreed to test it back every generation in hopes that its not too broken this time.
The thing is, it’s fun to use exactly because of how broken it is lol
I recall a comment I made when Genesect was banned from gen 8 :
"What's more fascinating? That Genesect manages to be just as broken if not more every single generation despite the existence of Powercreep or that we are still trying to see if it's the generation where Genesect will finally stop being broken every single time ?"
Just the fact that Genesect is like merging Kabutops, Scizor, and Mewtwo into one Pokémon is just so immensely sick. Type of stuff you loved as a kid haha
Mewtwo fire blast choce scarf
that isn't mewtwo it's sandwichtwo. mewtwo was only in gen 1 pokemon the first movie stadium puzzle league and mewtwo returns.
Just remember Mega Mewtwo took on 5 of these Genesects at the same time with ease lol
cant go wrong with the og 😤
First impression will destroy mewtwo
A smart mewtwo would surround itself in a psychic terrain beforehand.
@@wertyxq3468 leech life then
Well he was a mega, give genesect a mega too and then see how it goes
These scripted videos are great! So much improvement from the start: really well written, well edited to keep a nice pace, and your delivery seems very natural now.
ty fam!
It is rumored that abilities like intimidate, speed boost, download, intrepid sword are getting nerfed to be usable just once in a battle. That could make Genesect OU, if it ever happens
please let regenerator be on this PLEAASE
@@invisibilius1978 I heard Regen is nerfed to 25% so I think that's enough of a nerf
I hope only Interpid Sword and Regenerator is nerfed.
@@invisibilius1978 I heard it may also be nerfed to just one turn, I also remember the same said for magic guard that it could be hurt bys passive damage like rocks
@@DarkusFireBlaze3582 no it is definitely not
Those 6 days before Genesect gets banned at the start of a new meta are the best, most enjoyable time to play
Nah people have such lame strats that just involve the same pokemons
Using banded Genesect in the early Crown Tundra days, alongside Lando-I and Power Construct Zygarde, must've been some of the most fun I've ever had in Showdown. Spamming U-Turn was criminally fun
band genesect tera normal extreme speed
As an enjoyer of bug pokemon, Genesect is and has stayed my favorite legendary forever now
What I’ve noticed is that borderline ou/uber mons tend to be banned once they have multiple strong sets. Like magearna stayed in ou for a while with it’s AV set until it also gained the setup set which got it banned.
Yeah with predictable counter the tier does manage to deal with such absurdly strong mons but with multiple sets that's not possible.
I even ran a scarf Magerna, it's a pretty shit set on paper BUT worked pretty well for some reason.
There are no bad scarfers. Only good scarfers and surprise scarfers
When I was a kid all I wanted was a genesect (I didn’t have wifi so I couldn’t get it) I spent all of 4th grade walking the streets, the only kid without it. Later when gameshark had gone on sale, a certain little boy walked the streets with 6 level 100 genesects
I remember when genesect was banned from gen 8 there was a glitch for a couple of hours that you could use drive genesect
I spammed the daylights out of douse drive until it was fixed
With Joey's great script essay this video was a blast to edit.
If there was not enough explosion here there will be more if Genosect comes back in Scarlet and Violet with the new mechanic and no matter what he was before, he will be more broken if he remains to have Download and same statistical spread.
Joey putting this video out immediately before SV just to stop Genesect being allowed in OU at all Gen 9.
I remember using Genesect with Dugtrio and Mega-Gengar in the early days of Gen 6 OU, it was the most ridiculous team and was so easy to use.
You're improving at these types of videos Joey! This shit is really well done. You come off as informative, but natural and whoever is doing the editing is doing a top tier job :]
Freezai paved the way
@@Laurboy97 BKC and false swipe gaming the blueprint
Also I need to say how much I enjoy the editing in these videos. Great job. It looks polished and follows your narration well.
Telling by the thumbnail, genesect is the reason scarlet and violet are the way they are.
I like these types of vids man. It’s clear you put a lot of effort into narrating this nicely and it pays off kn my opinion. I can could to this the entire day
Whichever mad man was in charge of making Genesect in Team Plasma clearly needed multiple raises.
Genesect to the smogon council after being dropped to OU on a new gen: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man"
I honestly can see why Genesect was always at least tested while Mewtwo wasn't. I had to look up its stats and, tbh, just looking at the stats alone, it doesn't seem that bad. Extremely strong for sure, but hampered by low (somewhat) HP and a rather low speed even at the time of its introduction. Mewtwo has 80 extra BST that patches up exactly these two areas making it immediately apparent how strong it is, whereas Genesect has a few very specific tools that push it there. U-Turn + Download are just insanely versatile, and even moreso with well distributed stats.
In a way, I like Genesect, because it shows that you don't need higher than normal stats to be abnormally powerful. It's really "just" a technically enhanced ancient bug that uses some of the best tools of its two unified halves - U-Turn being possibly the best thing coming from Bug type and Download being an uncharacteristically digital ability.
Fire blast mewtwo.
Cant wait for Gen 9, where surely this time power creep and little nerfs will have made genesect healthy for ou THIS time!
With how much Game Freak has been willing to nerf/remove in the past gen I would not even be surprised if this somehow became the case. If not in SV then maybe a gen after
I fear that this droid bug will become stronger
@@adrianarjonacasado9431 Well, there is no Genesect wasn't mentioned on bug type changes, so that means...
Genesect will be banned in 2 hours again
Genesect try not to get instantly banned challenge (Impossible)
I watch all your vids and love the the direction! My recommendation for future videos like this to blow up would be to slow down and pause just a tiny bit for us to digest the info!
From a dedicated viewer
Genesect & Mega Pinsir are the only reasons I ever managed to drag a bug team to the top of the gen6/7 showdown monotype ladder lol
Here me out, we need a tier called OUBL and we can just let genesect, kyurem-black, pheromosa etc run rampant
don't even get me started on the Genesect V pokemon card...
It's the Jack-of-all-trades to end all Jack-of-all-trades. Awesome :D
Genesect is just a darn cool design and thats why we wanna keep it.
- How do you make this pitiful bug unstoppable?
- Give it a gun.
The evil team in the USA inspired region.
Gotta love that sweet unovan engineering
I remember BW Dream World OU as one of the most fun metagames ever. Genesect, Shadow Tag Chandelure and Sand Rush Excadril may each be broken on their own, but they're kind of fine when you also allow the rest of them.
Throw in Darkrai, Deoxys-A, Ladorus-I, Shaymin-S, Speed Boost Blaziken, Mega Lucario, Mega Kangaskhan, Magearna, Garchomp, Soul Dew, Swift Swim, Baton Pass and everything else that has ever been tested in OU even briefly, and you'd have a proper OUBL metagame. Oh, and no-preview Zoroark too.
“What is this blasphemous” is gonna be my go-to reply in response to getting haxxed on the ladder
Exactly just like any pokemon with Rock polish should be called The Rock Dwayne xD
Does Dwayn Johnson move twice as fast after he polishes his head?
Always
Bug and Steel is such a great typing
Genesect and Starraptor would probably get along 😂
I think Genesect being legal in OU at the start of a metagame at this point is a recurring joke.
I mean, the thing is banned from fucking NATIONAL DEX OU.
They HAVE to know. It has to be a joke it keeps getting unbanned.
It's not too late, ask your local gamestop if they still got a genesect/volcanion code. The codes will still be viable till late December. Get your meta breaking bugged bug today.
"sir, there is a bug in your game"
Missed the perfect opportunity to add the clip of Terminator saying “wrong” after saying right? Right? Right? Especially since you started talking about Terminator and Alien after
lmao u right
genesect on it’s way to get terastalizing banned and then itself
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man? - blue fish, spongebob
can't wait for Genesect's 5 minute cup of coffee in Gen 9 OU before it goes unused for the rest of the gen
one of if not the best video I've seen on this channel
really good stuff from start to finish
Ever since I saw his alt art card in fusion strike I could never see him as anything more than a silly little cyborg guy that dances with smeargle
i would love: “can darkrai ever drop from OU?”
i mean, if deoxys is RUBL in natdex, i’m sure darkrai ain’t far behind
Darkrai is still uber in nature dex lol
It should be OU tbh, if Ash-Gren is allowed, there is no reason why Darkrai can’t
I only started playing in gen 8 but the three days that genesect was legal made me realize why it gets banned every gen. It was clearly centralizing even with all the other broken stuff that were introduced in the same DLC like Lando-I and Pheromosa.
Genesect was my favorite Pokémon for the longest time. Nice to see a video on them.
Edit; Also, Scarlet Violet spoiler
It’s stupid Genesect didn’t get a Paradox form
I mean, people allowed PHEROMOSA for months in OU who is basically a fighting type Genesect. It's not all bad news though, since that mon made one of the most intriguing mons in OU popular: GALARIAN SLOWKING.
Genesect is CURSED! Doomed to forever be unbanned at the start of the generation but banned again once it really gets underway. I still love it though...for the whole couple of weeks that it's in OU.
Nice video and video style!!!
I wish you had shown it's stats (and comparison), abilities and moves at the start of the video. I dont know much about the competitive pokemon so these info would.be really useful!
Bug type is my favorite type and I know we get mad trash talk cause Bug isnt a good type but its legit got some of the coolest pokemon alongside Ghost
Genesecet
Volcarona
Scyther
Scizor
Flygon
Its crazy how good Bug can be
I hope in the future a Pokémon Legends for Unova release and know how was Genesect originally.
If Genesect 🪲 and my girl 💁♀️ are both drowning 🌊 and I can only save 🆘 one 😬, catch me at my girl’s funeral 😭🪦 clicking U-Turn ↩️ on the haters 😂👌💯
Ahh Genesect. My favorite steel type.
Still love the movie that introduced the extreme speed shiny version. Single handedly made banded Genesect go from excellent to ridiculous. Did not matter if others ran scarfers or revenge killers.
Thank god it went extinct, having this kind of apex predator in modern ages would definitely destroy other species
Cool vid. Love this mon. Wish I could use it more
I'm surprised you didn't mention it having Serene Grace as it's (not actually) Hidden Ability.
Joey love this non live content, keep it up
love this type of content keep it up
I know this is kinda odd but I have nowhere else to say this, I got randomly traded this genesect from the Pokémon movie 13 back in 2013, that has every single ribbon a player can have on it. It’s also shiny.
You showed the neo team plasma when it would’ve been the older one that did that
If Genesect lore is not in scarlet and violet, I will cry 😭
Clears throat in AAA tinted lens
It is a MONSTER
This type of video is awesome, I'd love more of these.
Oh wow Xenon. Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Just checked out his channel and his last vid was 5 months ago :(
My good man Im the dude that does this discussion video edits. Right now I'm working on buying an elgato to live stream the newest Pokemon games ;)
@@XENON3120 ayy great to hear from you. Hopefully the elgato arrives on time
Good vid. Can u make a vid on why offensive bug types are surprisingly good in ubers, such as genesect himself
I originally thought its name was short for "genocide incect"
Genesects biggest weakness is definitely phat boys, and team building somehow just thinning it out forcing it to not run ungodly mixed sets. Like Ubers now. I find the most usage in boots, shift gear uturn. Like whatever coverage I want, prob Thunder, isn’t gonna get the job done vs hooh, it absolutely would vs Corv lmao.
yanmega should have a unique move that’s like a double power uturn or something. dragonfly’s are the most arialy maneuverable creatures on the planet i think it fits
I love these types of videos
Now do Pheromosa.
Anyhow great video! Loved it
Ah yes, my favorite mythical and bug type Pokemon.
I can understand Genesect being unbanned in every gen, except Gen 8. I can see why since it gets suspect tested/quickbanned and it doesn't perform as well in Ubers (even in Gen 8). Since at that point, a lot of people were aware of how this mythical is. Considering its good bulk, defensive typing, wide movepool, Download, and mixed attacking stats which make it unpredictable what set it has, it was pretty clear it was very oppressive in OU.
could you make a video about the parallels between gen1 and gen 5
Cant wait for genesect’s return to OU in gen 9!!
More of these types of videos please 😊
Given this thing has the same reputation as Mewtwo, I wouldn't surprised if it was an in-universe counter to it.
Here's to one more time in Gen 9!
This was excellent!
This is the only person I’d listen give me the entire story of Pokémon besides Morgan freeman
Thats prolly why the genesect movie incorporated mewtwo
What I really like about Genesect is despite it being broken, it's not a Pokemon that can be spammed with brute force and direct attacks by noobs unlike other uber Pokemons. It is broken if you use it right which is what makes it my favorite Pokemon. Or in short, Genesect is an uber Pokemon that many noobs aren't aware of.
Will we be getting Scarlet and Violet Wifi battles? Loved the BDSP ones, so was hoping we'd get the same for what's looking like a better game.
Yes
@@pokeaimMD Okay, looking forwards to it!
I mean ANY Pokémon where you can change the typing almost at Will is broken. Genesect however has a move that turns into STAB and changes with the type.
one of my top 5 faves easily
I swear if they let him in OU again I'll exhale, *with force*
Don't think I've ever seen it's 3D model.