Man, sengoku rance is my threshold for how much game there needs to be in my visual novel for me to be and stay interested. I hope one day they update the mechanics of early rances to get people up to speed with the plot like you mentioned because boy do some of those games feel impossible without a guide hah!
I can understand where you're coming from with that, but that's still kind of unfortunate, cause there are a ton of really good vn's that don't have any gameplay whatsoever.
Well they did have a final fantasy moment where Kichikuou Rance being their swan song and manages to outsell every eroge that time and remain at full price for 10yrs
Hey there. First I want to say that I appreciate your channel. Started watching your vids a couple weeks ago because I'm always eager to hear people talk about sexual content in games with actual care and nuance instead of the dismissal it's usually treated with by mainstream outlets. My introduction to Rance was through the hentai OVA that was released a while back, but I got into the games proper this year after buying Rance 01 in January. I'd like to play through the whole series from there before getting to IX, so I can't say much about it, but I love your point about Rance's evolution over the years, and I would say, its larger place in gaming history. It's origins as an obscene send-up of JRPGS to its current status as sprawling fantasy epic is fascinating, and AliceSoft's dedication to creating such a unique world and varied gameplay between titles is something to be admired. I find a ton of inspiration in their work, both in Rance and beyond. I think there's a lot to be said about the "flavors" of Rance, both vanilla and very-not-vanilla, and Rance's utility as a character. He's a complete piece of shit, more or less only redeemed by the fact that the games color his transgressions in more comedic tones than antagonists that do the exact same, but, when the storytelling is at its best, he's also a great point of contrast to the other truly healthy relationships or heroic characters in the series. Rance is the main character, but he's not the good guy. Anyway, cool vid, lol. Hope to see you talk about the series more.
I agree that those companiess inability to distinguish between reality and fiction is so absurd, inconsistent and hyprocritical. However we have to admit on this one that they do reflect the views of a big portion of their audience. For some reason, a lot of people decided that depictions of a certain crime (obvious which one it is here) isn't accepted in video games. Yeah kinda funny that depictions of murders and genocides are perfectly fine, but not crimes of sexual nature. They don't hold the same standards in high budget tv shows though, the exemples are plenty. So yeah those' companies' policies won't change anytime soon, but that's also mostly because of the general playerbase's views. Maybe things will change a decade or two from now, cause I don't see it anytime soon.
That's fair, but I think the only way we change perception is by talking about it openly. We need to research and discuss what counts as "safe and healthy" if we want to actually have "safe and healthy".
I am starting to seriously get a crush on your channel. You are the voice of the common sense and a the nerd all the while you are talking about shunned a game category. Thank you. 🤩
Just a some minor addendums here: If we considere the Little Princess series as part of Rance Series, Rance started at 1987. Also, Leazas r4p3d, tortured and sold other women since she was 11. I am sure you may find in the old testament 11 year old queens doing torture, r4p3 or sl4v3 trades. I am just not entirely sure you may find all those things on the same character at the same time (or at least since that young age).
I've never had such a strong love/hate relationship for a character than Rance. It's not even the "struggle sessions" that I take issue with, but the childish way he acts when doing so. But teasing is a turn off for me. I do like the power play dynamics when's he's with a girl who can keep up or even overwhelm him. But honestly, I still prefer Rance over 90% of the weak vanilla protagonists out there who are like "are you ok? i'm not hurting you?" every 5 minutes. Or the ones that are just complete monkey brain morons with no redeeming qualities besides being kind of nice and at the right place right time.
Like many other people, my first Rance game was Rance 7, AKA Sengoku Rance. After replaying it many many times to see the different paths, complete the different difficulties, unlock all the optional bonuses and get a solid amount of points to buy those bonuses, I wasn't tired of it, I just loved it more than ever. I honestly think it is the best video game. Given how much I loved it, I sought information about the series and played many of the other games. It turns out that there is an absolutely extraordinary amount of lore for this series, and a lot of it is insane in a very good way. They've built something very special with this series and it's a shame that people treating sex like it's worse than violence has limited its potential so much.
A good chunk of the Rance games seem to be on GOG but 3, 4 and this one seem to be missing. From what I gather the versions of 1 and 2 are remakes, and while 3 has a remake 4 doesn't (but it does have two sequels). 9's not on GOG either but I think the translation came out like two weeks ago. As for the series itself... well, I think that the best thing that could happen is if SsethTzeentach did a review on one of the games. Even though there's already a big overlap between people who watch him and people who at least know about him, he still reguarly rakes in millions of views and it can really drive up the sales. He already did a review on Evenicle 1, which is a good start.
Also Rance 1 - 4 plus Kichikuou Rance were released on japan PC98 OS and MS Dos in the 90s and only Rance 1 to 3 have gotten a remake we May never see a rerelease of Rance 4 or Kichikuou Rance
I just started getting into Rance last week, and this was the first Rance game I played lol. Admittedly for a newcomer the many new character introductions may seem slightly overwhelming at first but personally I found the new world I was dipped into interesting and not knowing the established characters didnt take away from my experience. If anyone has recommendations as to which Rance game I should play next, I’d love to hear it! Im thinking to literally go backwards and play Sengoku next. Heh
Just start from Rance 01. 01 -> 02 -> III (or 03 whenever that gets translated) -> IV (no remake) -> (Kichikuou optional) -> 5D -> VI -> Sengoku -> Quest -> IX -> X
My recommendation will depends on how much you like Rance Series after playing IX 1. If you're still on curious level and need another reason to like the series, go with Sengoku Rance (a.k.a Rance VII) 2. If you come to like Rance Series and genuinely want to know his other adventure, go with Rance VI 3. If you're addicted to Rance Series and want to know the world-building, go with Rance 01 or Rance 5D
I just look up characters I can't remember at wiki. That said, rance 9 felt a bit lackluster to me because of the story. I still remember rance 8 fondly for how fun it was, and after only couple of days I can barely recall rance 9 plot. The combat was relatively fun though, but it feels like it took development time from story content.
I felt like that up until more characters joined up and the dialogue returned somewhat to its usual antics. It is undoubtedly more serious toned than previous titles, but maybe it feels different since it derives the focus from Rance's personal development (which is very little in this title) and instead gives a lot of screen time to the other main characters, with him being more of a bridge that allows their own personal development. 8, aka Quest, is still the goofiest, and probably the most "Rance-like" of all. The main plot feels very disjointed, but there's so many different side stories and a lot of worldbuilding that wouldn't exist if it had a more traditional story. It's like experiencing the view-point of the main character in a open world game, but presented in a stage based dungeon crawling RPG fashion. But there's one question that persists: What did they do with Willis? In IX there aren't even proper levels, did they fire her?
@@Hambs23 The problem is that 9's story is not about rance and I wouldn't call the plot serious. All rance plot is fairly serious starting 6 and this one had enough goofiness in it. The thing about 8 is that it had a satisfying conclusion to the setting and plot was actually focused on rance. In 9 we have 'lol we have a democracy now' as an ending which feels like either a joke or modern western rewrite compared to every other game plot. And rance's goal was just pretty much ignored. At least Kanami's and Tilde routes were rather fun, but that's pretty much the only big praise I'm willing to give.
@@johnsmith3548 No, yeah. Pretty much what I said. The plot is as serious as the others, just the way it's told makes it feel more than normal. And I don't want to enter spoiler territory, but I'm pretty sure the true ending resolves the missing plot points. Can't say for sure, as I'm still grinding to get the last couple of monkey orbs. I only read about it.
I've heard the Raidy games are like a female MC version of Rance. I've only played the first one so far ( three titles are on JAST), but I didn't get the comparison. It was a very grind heavy dungeon crawler. Have you heard anything about the Raidy series?
Rance is amazing, by far my favorite visual novel game series and high up with fantasy and isekai settings in general. So much surprising depth, fun, lore and amazing character writing. The thing that saddens me the most is that Rance could be an extremely popular franchise nowadays if they'd dare to make an anime or light novel series out of it as some sort of reboot. They could be creative with the smut like many other shows scratching that itch, but overall I'd say that with its humor, extremely fun memeble characters and setting it could become as successful as Konosuba or Shield Hero. Even to short mediocre H OVA is one of the most popular ones out there. Rance is a fun parody of the classic fantasy hero and it's crazy how well written he his, especially when you consider how old the franchise is and how well explored that trope is. I'm still hoping that Alicesoft will stumble over this potential gold mine again, that TADA returns or that they'll find someone as good as him. He literally started to make fan patches for many Rance games since he retired for some reason, and Alicesoft was searching in a public announcement for a lead game designer which sounded like they were looking for a new TADA.
Mangagamer has been constantly translating the Rance games last three years everything else is only Japanese. Waiting on them to translate the remake of Rance 3 and other missing ones.
Rance definitely isn't my type of character, but I agree flavors need more freedom. Whether he's a man or a woman I personally would still not like Rance's personality. My favorite character type is actually the protagonist from Treasure of Nadia. Sure, he's a horndog, but he also genuinely cares for the women he's with, not wanting to hurt them in any way. It's refreshing for an erotic game.
I've never played a Rance game, since the concept is off-putting to me, but I did play Evenicle 1 and found it mostly wholesome (and perhaps more like you said you're interested in), although there were a few questionable moments. Still, at the end of the day, they're all just games and they're not hurting anyone, so people should be able to play the flavors they like -- and be free to not like other flavors. But not liking a flavor is not a reason to demand that nobody else should have it, either.
3 and 4 are not remade and while 1 and 2 are remade, they are still rather dated games. Starting with 6 exposes you to the majority of the overarching plot and most of the thematic variations.
@@SexPositiveGaming Factually incorrect. 03 exists. And TADA himself has updated IV manually, and fans have already provided the TADA patch in English. VI relies a lot on prior knowledge. There's a lot of returning characters, and some nice plot lines will be lost on you. And I don't understand how 01 is "dated", it's newer than both VI and VII. While 02 is definitely worth a playthrough if you play the kai version with the fan patch.
@@SexPositiveGaming To be fair, I think you understate just how quite good Rance III and IV are. 01 also isn't dated, and 02 is short enough (if you don't spend 3 hours reading the same dialogue over and over like a friend of mine) that you can finish it in a afternoon. I 100% recommend III and IV to those that can stomach the jankiness of old 90s games. IV has some of my favorite art in the series as well. You do make a good point, VI is a pretty solid starting point (since most games past Rance 5d up to Sengoku are mostly standalone). Pretty much, if you aren't sure you'll like/be interested in the series, start with VI or Sengoku, and if you are already interested or like starting things from the beginning, go with the chronological order of: 01 - 02 - III - IV - (skippable) 4.X - Kichikuou Rance (optional, but it is my favorite game) - Rance 5d - Rance VI - Sengoku Rance - Quest - IX - X.
Yeah, looking over what vndb says about this game, I can definitely see why y can't talk about that particular flavor. For the same reason you can't really talk about the early Illusion games.
Okay, Ravager is on Steam. Like, that's got some pretty bad stuff. So, like, is it worse than a dragon going about doing dragon things to less than enthusiastic people (to put it extremely mildly)?
I would have no idea how to even start comparing which fictional flavor is "worse" than another. If we're going to do this, we may as well start with books first for having the wrong type of fiction.
So the titanic movie is a story about a lot of people dying, in real life that is very bad, but people seem to like that "romantic story" that is basicaly just one night stand before death, same with fifty shades of grey, i think lots of us would never want something in real life but love them in movies and games like legend of zelda, do you realy want to fight monsters in a world without the internet in the wild, just to safe a princess no, in real life most of us prefer democracy, our fantasys and games have different meaning, for example in chess you defeat a queen and do not go to prison for that but does chess make people violant, no it is a game games are for train mind and for relief stress and remove frustration it does lower crime rate and makes people more peacefull also storys can make stuff interesting, so with adult gaming what turns you on is your thing, is it war, fine no shaming just gaming i prefer romantic true love girlfriend magical storys fairytale style but i respect all sexuality and gender. So let people do what they do as long as it does not hurt anyone. And these games... are games. They hurt no one.
The Rance series is important because it places emphasis on it being a game. Thus, there is game play. Before Sengoku Rance, there were an extremely limited number of adult games that had real, quality game play. The only game that predates it, that i can think of, is Brave Soul and that does not have a franchise. More games that would be traditionally classified as games have come out since then and I can't help but feel like it was because of the Rance franchise that the popularity grew. That being said, the forced sex aspect was always my least favorite part of the franchise. Like, I get why it's in the series since it is mostly a military expansionist title and combining that with sex makes rape seem practically inevitable. Softening it with the women coming to enjoy it and caring for Rance made it a bit easier for me to swallow when I was younger, but it's still very problematic. I'm not going to sit here and claim the moral high ground since I can enjoy a rape scene every once in a while if it is thematically appropriate. I can differentiate between fiction and reality. It just has a weird vibe in the Rance series because of how heavy that subject is and how lighthearted and cartoonish the over all vibe of the series is. Over all, though, it's a good series. I would hit it harder for its story, but honestly? It knows it's a porn game with high quality art and balanced and challenging game play. Those are its strengths. The writing is far better than it really needs to be given its other aspects. Plus, I've recently noticed a weird trend in the manga I consume where the plot was very clearly intended to be a hentai but because it was officially licensed it has to conform to public decency laws and can only get whatever the equivalent to an 'R rating' is. Which means mature themes, violence and boobs, but it can't show explicit sex. which means, despite very clearly being intended to be a hentai, it can't pull the trigger on it. The Rance franchise doesn't have that problem. It knows what it is and it sticks to it.
Yeah, I tried Rance VI on a recommendation since I enjoy dungeon-crawls and jerkass heroes in fantasy can be fun, but a r*pe literally five minutes after starting the game kind of put a damper on things. But I might go back to it at some point and see if the gameplay is good enough that it's worth speeding through the... other stuff.
Honestly, it's almost impossible to make anyhthing acceptable in how more restricted we get each day. For example the US government is now talking about inspections of gas stoves that normal people own because of carbon emissions they give off. These things are in roughly 40% of all households built
That's actually not what they're talking about, but that is what the media is acting like they're doing. It has nothing to do with carbon emissions, it has everything to do with particulates and unburned gases not vented properly within your home. FYI on that one, since the media is awful about accurate reporting.
You know you can talk about restrictions and keep it contained to things that are actually real and not made up by a late night show pretending it's news right?
Oh god. That isn't even remotely true. On top of that, you sound like a person who would have complained about led paint getting banned. Gas stoves are incredibly dangerous, and protecting humanity and society from massive extinction is kind of the point of government. Unless you deny basic science and reality.
I don't want plebs to know about Rance. It's a perfectly flawed passion project that ended on a high note - there's nothing like it. Plebs ruin everything, and they'd find a way...
I am really like your channel btw. Just caught it a month or so ago. Hmm I do like my Harem tastes and dom and what not, but Rance has always bothered me. I'm not bothered by his drive for the ladies. I am bothered by his attidude so to speak. Make it hard to play him as your vocal point character and I've played H-Games with bad guys as the lead. Bunny Black comes to mind as someone Rance Like, but I can accept. He always rubbed me the wrong way with the few games I tried but never finished. All the more power to those who like them though. I much prefer this companies Evenicle games though.
My favorite Rance game? Clearly Sengoku Rance, damn im just a needy bitch for that game I played it probs 4 times through in like maybe 3 years its just so fun (btw. there is also a big overhall mod for that game (DARKNESSHERO) it even has Multiplayer up to 18 people BUT you lose the Porn & Story part of the game D: )
Part of what you might have overlooked is normalization. For example: "Oh, there's a game where I can bang underage girls from Japan? I guess I'm not alone in those desires, pedophilia is normal in other parts of the world!" It's not okay, and exposing people to that idea can be dangerous. I'm all for fighting censorship, but I feel as though you're missing the point. Glorifying rape, pedophilia, necrophilia, slavery, etc., even as a video game, isn't a good idea. The audience shouldn't be made to feel that that's normal, expected, optional, or otherwise okay. Its not. People WILL internalize it and SOMEONE take it too far. Subjects like that must ALWAYS be demonized and out of reach, even as a form of play-pretend. I think I will unsubscribe now, as after your complaints about Hogwarts Legacy not exploring the sexual experiences of literal school children, I am starting to see a disturbing trend in your complaints about various games. I understand your free-love-free-exploration philosophy, I just don't agree with it. Having no boundaries at all only invites chaos. I hope you find what you are looking for in the future.
This supposed "nomalization" caused by fictional media is a myth. There's not a single (serious) study out there that can prove it in any measure whatsoever. No one in their sane mind takes the shit that happens in games as a sign of it being socially accepted. They play the damn games exactly because it's an outlet to desires they know are wrong or taboo in real life. Anyone that claims they did some shit everyone and their moms knows it's wrong and blame it on fictional media is either: 1 - a psychologically unstable person that would just get it's "validation" elsewhere anyway because the problems lies in how their mind works to begin with; 2 - someone trying to shift the blame and avoid accountability for their own actions. You're free to dislike and not consume any sort or media that features content you consider gross or whatever: that is your undeniable right. But don't try to propagate false truths and baseless censorship in the grounds of your own head-canon about how people and this world works.
@@fernandobarbosa9727 Not a single study, you say? Heh. Sure, okay. Pretty sure proof can't be based on absence. Also, your keyword is "sane", not everyone is sane. There's plenty of base for censorship depending on the culture, medium, age and moral compass of the consumer, etc. There's nothing baseless about it. That's a lot of big words you're throwing around to not know what the fuck you're even talking about. :P
I think you make some valid points. As someone who was assaulted by a pedophile as a child, I am particularly uncomfortable with the whole lolicon "flavor" (and sexual assault fantasies aimed at men) in manga and anime; some of the fan service involving characters under 10 years old in the Neptunia games felt very wrong to me, as did a few scenes/characters in Evenicle. And having done research in role-play communities in Second Life, I've also witnessed how people fantasizing about a certain illegal/transgressive flavor in RP get lured deeper down the rabbit hole by people actually performing related acts offline. I think this is why I'm a lot less disturbed by fantasy fetishes (futa, hypnosis, tentacles, etc.) than possible ones. That said, I think SPG is the only channel that grapples with any of the issues surrounding NSFW games, and (at least for the time being) I'm proud to be a subscriber and Patreon supporter.
I'm starting to feel the same. It's getting a bit weird. Personally, I think nonconsensual stuff is a bit easier to be seen as obviously wrong, given violence in video games works similar, but lolicon and shotacon appeal to people with categorical mental disorders. Appealing to that plays into their disorder, and it has real life implications. Noncon fantasies are relatively normal, according to most research into it, but most research has also found that desires toward underage individuals is a mental disorder in almost every category. It threatens children, it is linked to serious issues with impulse control and it is heavily linked to an inability to keep fiction and reality separate. The slippery slope fallacy doesn't justify being against a single line being drawn. You can easily say that games like Hatred are gross, but CoD is fine, even with its peddling of propaganda. And you can easily say lolicon and shotacon are hard nos while being fine with most other content. The slope won't slip or change, because that's a fallacy. People confuse the true end game of people with a slippery slope. Generally, most sites and places that have bans on anything underage still have every other flavor imaginable. Hell, in many times and countries, lolicon and shotacon are more acceptable than same sex marriage, despite one being obviously predatory. So, I don't think cries of censorship fly here.
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Man, sengoku rance is my threshold for how much game there needs to be in my visual novel for me to be and stay interested. I hope one day they update the mechanics of early rances to get people up to speed with the plot like you mentioned because boy do some of those games feel impossible without a guide hah!
I've played the previous games, but it was still really hard to remember everyone because it has been a few years since I played 8.
I can understand where you're coming from with that, but that's still kind of unfortunate, cause there are a ton of really good vn's that don't have any gameplay whatsoever.
in this day and age calling sengoku rance a visual novel is like calling persona 5 a visual novel.
The Rance series are like the Final Fantasy of Eroge
Rance has way more personality than any Final Fantasy MC.
Rance is quite beyond FF in terms of story, characterization, and world building. Gameplay and music are great too.
Rance is the Ys of Eroge. If Ys games were told chronologically, and changed their gameplay more often (and more drastically).
Well they did have a final fantasy moment where Kichikuou Rance being their swan song and manages to outsell every eroge that time and remain at full price for 10yrs
Hey there. First I want to say that I appreciate your channel. Started watching your vids a couple weeks ago because I'm always eager to hear people talk about sexual content in games with actual care and nuance instead of the dismissal it's usually treated with by mainstream outlets. My introduction to Rance was through the hentai OVA that was released a while back, but I got into the games proper this year after buying Rance 01 in January.
I'd like to play through the whole series from there before getting to IX, so I can't say much about it, but I love your point about Rance's evolution over the years, and I would say, its larger place in gaming history. It's origins as an obscene send-up of JRPGS to its current status as sprawling fantasy epic is fascinating, and AliceSoft's dedication to creating such a unique world and varied gameplay between titles is something to be admired. I find a ton of inspiration in their work, both in Rance and beyond.
I think there's a lot to be said about the "flavors" of Rance, both vanilla and very-not-vanilla, and Rance's utility as a character. He's a complete piece of shit, more or less only redeemed by the fact that the games color his transgressions in more comedic tones than antagonists that do the exact same, but, when the storytelling is at its best, he's also a great point of contrast to the other truly healthy relationships or heroic characters in the series. Rance is the main character, but he's not the good guy.
Anyway, cool vid, lol. Hope to see you talk about the series more.
Thanks and welcome!
I agree that those companiess inability to distinguish between reality and fiction is so absurd, inconsistent and hyprocritical. However we have to admit on this one that they do reflect the views of a big portion of their audience. For some reason, a lot of people decided that depictions of a certain crime (obvious which one it is here) isn't accepted in video games. Yeah kinda funny that depictions of murders and genocides are perfectly fine, but not crimes of sexual nature. They don't hold the same standards in high budget tv shows though, the exemples are plenty.
So yeah those' companies' policies won't change anytime soon, but that's also mostly because of the general playerbase's views. Maybe things will change a decade or two from now, cause I don't see it anytime soon.
That's fair, but I think the only way we change perception is by talking about it openly. We need to research and discuss what counts as "safe and healthy" if we want to actually have "safe and healthy".
Keep up the great content! We all appreciate what you do.
Thanks!
I am starting to seriously get a crush on your channel. You are the voice of the common sense and a the nerd all the while you are talking about shunned a game category. Thank you. 🤩
My pleasure!
Just a some minor addendums here:
If we considere the Little Princess series as part of Rance Series, Rance started at 1987.
Also, Leazas r4p3d, tortured and sold other women since she was 11. I am sure you may find in the old testament 11 year old queens doing torture, r4p3 or sl4v3 trades. I am just not entirely sure you may find all those things on the same character at the same time (or at least since that young age).
Thanks for sharing!
I've never had such a strong love/hate relationship for a character than Rance. It's not even the "struggle sessions" that I take issue with, but the childish way he acts when doing so. But teasing is a turn off for me. I do like the power play dynamics when's he's with a girl who can keep up or even overwhelm him.
But honestly, I still prefer Rance over 90% of the weak vanilla protagonists out there who are like "are you ok? i'm not hurting you?" every 5 minutes. Or the ones that are just complete monkey brain morons with no redeeming qualities besides being kind of nice and at the right place right time.
Thanks for sharing!
Like many other people, my first Rance game was Rance 7, AKA Sengoku Rance. After replaying it many many times to see the different paths, complete the different difficulties, unlock all the optional bonuses and get a solid amount of points to buy those bonuses, I wasn't tired of it, I just loved it more than ever. I honestly think it is the best video game.
Given how much I loved it, I sought information about the series and played many of the other games. It turns out that there is an absolutely extraordinary amount of lore for this series, and a lot of it is insane in a very good way. They've built something very special with this series and it's a shame that people treating sex like it's worse than violence has limited its potential so much.
I'm glad you like the series!
Evenicle is on Steam completely uncensored weirdly enough.
Steam changed their policy after its release.
A good chunk of the Rance games seem to be on GOG but 3, 4 and this one seem to be missing. From what I gather the versions of 1 and 2 are remakes, and while 3 has a remake 4 doesn't (but it does have two sequels). 9's not on GOG either but I think the translation came out like two weeks ago.
As for the series itself... well, I think that the best thing that could happen is if SsethTzeentach did a review on one of the games. Even though there's already a big overlap between people who watch him and people who at least know about him, he still reguarly rakes in millions of views and it can really drive up the sales. He already did a review on Evenicle 1, which is a good start.
The 3 remaster and X are being translated currently. It is just really slow.
A lot of these games have never been translated in English before, Mangagamer has been marathoning translating them over the last 3 years
That guy's community is certainly on the not so great list, but goes with the viewer count, I guess.
SsethTzeentach actually recommended Rance to me in a DM. It is quite an amazing and hidden gem of a series.
Also Rance 1 - 4 plus Kichikuou Rance were released on japan PC98 OS and MS Dos in the 90s and only Rance 1 to 3 have gotten a remake we May never see a rerelease of Rance 4 or Kichikuou Rance
this channel is one of youtube hidden treasure
Thanks!
I just started getting into Rance last week, and this was the first Rance game I played lol. Admittedly for a newcomer the many new character introductions may seem slightly overwhelming at first but personally I found the new world I was dipped into interesting and not knowing the established characters didnt take away from my experience.
If anyone has recommendations as to which Rance game I should play next, I’d love to hear it! Im thinking to literally go backwards and play Sengoku next. Heh
Just start from Rance 01. 01 -> 02 -> III (or 03 whenever that gets translated) -> IV (no remake) -> (Kichikuou optional) -> 5D -> VI -> Sengoku -> Quest -> IX -> X
It's better to start with sengoku or 01
Depends on how much time you want to invest. I recommended 6 and then up, because not all of the older games have been remade yet.
My recommendation will depends on how much you like Rance Series after playing IX
1. If you're still on curious level and need another reason to like the series, go with Sengoku Rance (a.k.a Rance VII)
2. If you come to like Rance Series and genuinely want to know his other adventure, go with Rance VI
3. If you're addicted to Rance Series and want to know the world-building, go with Rance 01 or Rance 5D
I just look up characters I can't remember at wiki. That said, rance 9 felt a bit lackluster to me because of the story. I still remember rance 8 fondly for how fun it was, and after only couple of days I can barely recall rance 9 plot. The combat was relatively fun though, but it feels like it took development time from story content.
That's fair.
I felt like that up until more characters joined up and the dialogue returned somewhat to its usual antics. It is undoubtedly more serious toned than previous titles, but maybe it feels different since it derives the focus from Rance's personal development (which is very little in this title) and instead gives a lot of screen time to the other main characters, with him being more of a bridge that allows their own personal development.
8, aka Quest, is still the goofiest, and probably the most "Rance-like" of all. The main plot feels very disjointed, but there's so many different side stories and a lot of worldbuilding that wouldn't exist if it had a more traditional story. It's like experiencing the view-point of the main character in a open world game, but presented in a stage based dungeon crawling RPG fashion.
But there's one question that persists: What did they do with Willis? In IX there aren't even proper levels, did they fire her?
@@Hambs23 The problem is that 9's story is not about rance and I wouldn't call the plot serious. All rance plot is fairly serious starting 6 and this one had enough goofiness in it. The thing about 8 is that it had a satisfying conclusion to the setting and plot was actually focused on rance. In 9 we have 'lol we have a democracy now' as an ending which feels like either a joke or modern western rewrite compared to every other game plot. And rance's goal was just pretty much ignored. At least Kanami's and Tilde routes were rather fun, but that's pretty much the only big praise I'm willing to give.
@@johnsmith3548 No, yeah. Pretty much what I said. The plot is as serious as the others, just the way it's told makes it feel more than normal.
And I don't want to enter spoiler territory, but I'm pretty sure the true ending resolves the missing plot points. Can't say for sure, as I'm still grinding to get the last couple of monkey orbs. I only read about it.
I've heard the Raidy games are like a female MC version of Rance. I've only played the first one so far ( three titles are on JAST), but I didn't get the comparison. It was a very grind heavy dungeon crawler.
Have you heard anything about the Raidy series?
Yes. That is more of a mystery dungeon style series.
Lightning Warrior Raidy series is awesome!!
Rance is amazing, by far my favorite visual novel game series and high up with fantasy and isekai settings in general. So much surprising depth, fun, lore and amazing character writing.
The thing that saddens me the most is that Rance could be an extremely popular franchise nowadays if they'd dare to make an anime or light novel series out of it as some sort of reboot. They could be creative with the smut like many other shows scratching that itch, but overall I'd say that with its humor, extremely fun memeble characters and setting it could become as successful as Konosuba or Shield Hero. Even to short mediocre H OVA is one of the most popular ones out there.
Rance is a fun parody of the classic fantasy hero and it's crazy how well written he his, especially when you consider how old the franchise is and how well explored that trope is.
I'm still hoping that Alicesoft will stumble over this potential gold mine again, that TADA returns or that they'll find someone as good as him. He literally started to make fan patches for many Rance games since he retired for some reason, and Alicesoft was searching in a public announcement for a lead game designer which sounded like they were looking for a new TADA.
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Huh so thats why they havent been active on the vn genre...
where can one get and play all the older rance titles in english?
GOG and Mangagamer both have some.
Mangagamer has been constantly translating the Rance games last three years everything else is only Japanese. Waiting on them to translate the remake of Rance 3 and other missing ones.
Rance definitely isn't my type of character, but I agree flavors need more freedom.
Whether he's a man or a woman I personally would still not like Rance's personality. My favorite character type is actually the protagonist from Treasure of Nadia. Sure, he's a horndog, but he also genuinely cares for the women he's with, not wanting to hurt them in any way. It's refreshing for an erotic game.
Wait. The ToN MC had a personality? I thought it was a fishing and digging game with occasional exploration.
@@SexPositiveGaming I mean, there was also a lot of dialogue and a story, unless you played a different version
@@Tyrany42 I was joking. It was my GotY for 2021.
@@SexPositiveGaming Aah okay, sorry 😅
I've never played a Rance game, since the concept is off-putting to me, but I did play Evenicle 1 and found it mostly wholesome (and perhaps more like you said you're interested in), although there were a few questionable moments. Still, at the end of the day, they're all just games and they're not hurting anyone, so people should be able to play the flavors they like -- and be free to not like other flavors. But not liking a flavor is not a reason to demand that nobody else should have it, either.
I just played Marvel Midnight Suns. Are you telling me that Rance is Midnight Sun but I get to bang Magik?
More like every adult woman you come across.
I'm starting to think if it's better move to torrent-gaming, instead of supporting something like Steam
Steam is still the biggest platform, so it is going to shape the types of games being made and the flavors they contain.
Why start with VI if 01 exists?
3 and 4 are not remade and while 1 and 2 are remade, they are still rather dated games. Starting with 6 exposes you to the majority of the overarching plot and most of the thematic variations.
@@SexPositiveGaming Factually incorrect. 03 exists. And TADA himself has updated IV manually, and fans have already provided the TADA patch in English.
VI relies a lot on prior knowledge. There's a lot of returning characters, and some nice plot lines will be lost on you. And I don't understand how 01 is "dated", it's newer than both VI and VII. While 02 is definitely worth a playthrough if you play the kai version with the fan patch.
@@SexPositiveGaming To be fair, I think you understate just how quite good Rance III and IV are. 01 also isn't dated, and 02 is short enough (if you don't spend 3 hours reading the same dialogue over and over like a friend of mine) that you can finish it in a afternoon.
I 100% recommend III and IV to those that can stomach the jankiness of old 90s games. IV has some of my favorite art in the series as well.
You do make a good point, VI is a pretty solid starting point (since most games past Rance 5d up to Sengoku are mostly standalone).
Pretty much, if you aren't sure you'll like/be interested in the series, start with VI or Sengoku, and if you are already interested or like starting things from the beginning, go with the chronological order of: 01 - 02 - III - IV - (skippable) 4.X - Kichikuou Rance (optional, but it is my favorite game) - Rance 5d - Rance VI - Sengoku Rance - Quest - IX - X.
never heard of it till now!
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unless you are new to VNs, thats wierd. Rance is like the Urusei Yatsura of VNs.
I want to see a new rance video, this one looks goo-
*A WOMAN?!*
Maybe one of Rance's daughters will get their own game?
Yeah, looking over what vndb says about this game, I can definitely see why y can't talk about that particular flavor. For the same reason you can't really talk about the early Illusion games.
But Diablo IV will be fine.
@@SexPositiveGaming which makes TOTAL sense, with no hint of sarcasm.
Rance is him
He is Rance?
good video. Liked and subbed!
Thanks and welcome!
Okay, Ravager is on Steam. Like, that's got some pretty bad stuff. So, like, is it worse than a dragon going about doing dragon things to less than enthusiastic people (to put it extremely mildly)?
I would have no idea how to even start comparing which fictional flavor is "worse" than another. If we're going to do this, we may as well start with books first for having the wrong type of fiction.
Rance X probably the best rogue-like if you consider it as one
I'm waiting for the localization into English.
So the titanic movie is a story about a lot of people dying, in real life that is very bad, but people seem to like that "romantic story" that is basicaly just one night stand before death, same with fifty shades of grey, i think lots of us would never want something in real life but love them in movies and games like legend of zelda, do you realy want to fight monsters in a world without the internet in the wild, just to safe a princess no, in real life most of us prefer democracy, our fantasys and games have different meaning, for example in chess you defeat a queen and do not go to prison for that but does chess make people violant, no it is a game games are for train mind and for relief stress and remove frustration it does lower crime rate and makes people more peacefull also storys can make stuff interesting, so with adult gaming what turns you on is your thing, is it war, fine no shaming just gaming i prefer romantic true love girlfriend magical storys fairytale style but i respect all sexuality and gender. So let people do what they do as long as it does not hurt anyone. And these games... are games. They hurt no one.
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The Rance series is important because it places emphasis on it being a game. Thus, there is game play. Before Sengoku Rance, there were an extremely limited number of adult games that had real, quality game play. The only game that predates it, that i can think of, is Brave Soul and that does not have a franchise. More games that would be traditionally classified as games have come out since then and I can't help but feel like it was because of the Rance franchise that the popularity grew.
That being said, the forced sex aspect was always my least favorite part of the franchise. Like, I get why it's in the series since it is mostly a military expansionist title and combining that with sex makes rape seem practically inevitable. Softening it with the women coming to enjoy it and caring for Rance made it a bit easier for me to swallow when I was younger, but it's still very problematic. I'm not going to sit here and claim the moral high ground since I can enjoy a rape scene every once in a while if it is thematically appropriate. I can differentiate between fiction and reality. It just has a weird vibe in the Rance series because of how heavy that subject is and how lighthearted and cartoonish the over all vibe of the series is.
Over all, though, it's a good series. I would hit it harder for its story, but honestly? It knows it's a porn game with high quality art and balanced and challenging game play. Those are its strengths. The writing is far better than it really needs to be given its other aspects. Plus, I've recently noticed a weird trend in the manga I consume where the plot was very clearly intended to be a hentai but because it was officially licensed it has to conform to public decency laws and can only get whatever the equivalent to an 'R rating' is. Which means mature themes, violence and boobs, but it can't show explicit sex. which means, despite very clearly being intended to be a hentai, it can't pull the trigger on it. The Rance franchise doesn't have that problem. It knows what it is and it sticks to it.
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I tried few games in this series, but the constant r*pes committed by the MC are not for me.
Honestly this just felt like a overblown version of a standard romance novel plotline. It just needs more pirates.
Yeah, I tried Rance VI on a recommendation since I enjoy dungeon-crawls and jerkass heroes in fantasy can be fun, but a r*pe literally five minutes after starting the game kind of put a damper on things. But I might go back to it at some point and see if the gameplay is good enough that it's worth speeding through the... other stuff.
Rance gets r*ped 2 times, though.
Honestly, it's almost impossible to make anyhthing acceptable in how more restricted we get each day. For example the US government is now talking about inspections of gas stoves that normal people own because of carbon emissions they give off. These things are in roughly 40% of all households built
That's actually not what they're talking about, but that is what the media is acting like they're doing. It has nothing to do with carbon emissions, it has everything to do with particulates and unburned gases not vented properly within your home.
FYI on that one, since the media is awful about accurate reporting.
I could not speak intelligently on the merits and liabilities of a gas stove. Sorry!
@@SexPositiveGaming hahah fair enough
You know you can talk about restrictions and keep it contained to things that are actually real and not made up by a late night show pretending it's news right?
Oh god. That isn't even remotely true. On top of that, you sound like a person who would have complained about led paint getting banned. Gas stoves are incredibly dangerous, and protecting humanity and society from massive extinction is kind of the point of government. Unless you deny basic science and reality.
Alice soft games all have good gameplay. If only their male protagonists were a bit more varied. I can't stand Rance nor that kid from Evenicle lol.
That's fair.
I don't want plebs to know about Rance. It's a perfectly flawed passion project that ended on a high note - there's nothing like it. Plebs ruin everything, and they'd find a way...
There is a lot to unpack in this statement.
I am really like your channel btw. Just caught it a month or so ago. Hmm I do like my Harem tastes and dom and what not, but Rance has always bothered me. I'm not bothered by his drive for the ladies. I am bothered by his attidude so to speak. Make it hard to play him as your vocal point character and I've played H-Games with bad guys as the lead. Bunny Black comes to mind as someone Rance Like, but I can accept. He always rubbed me the wrong way with the few games I tried but never finished. All the more power to those who like them though. I much prefer this companies Evenicle games though.
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Alicesoft is constantly trying to up the quality of their games throughout the years!!!
I'd love to visit their studio!
My favorite Rance game? Clearly Sengoku Rance, damn im just a needy bitch for that game I played it probs 4 times through in like maybe 3 years its just so fun (btw. there is also a big overhall mod for that game (DARKNESSHERO) it even has Multiplayer up to 18 people BUT you lose the Porn & Story part of the game D: )
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It's doesn't matter 🤣 if it has it's a game dude
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Part of what you might have overlooked is normalization. For example: "Oh, there's a game where I can bang underage girls from Japan? I guess I'm not alone in those desires, pedophilia is normal in other parts of the world!" It's not okay, and exposing people to that idea can be dangerous. I'm all for fighting censorship, but I feel as though you're missing the point. Glorifying rape, pedophilia, necrophilia, slavery, etc., even as a video game, isn't a good idea. The audience shouldn't be made to feel that that's normal, expected, optional, or otherwise okay. Its not. People WILL internalize it and SOMEONE take it too far. Subjects like that must ALWAYS be demonized and out of reach, even as a form of play-pretend.
I think I will unsubscribe now, as after your complaints about Hogwarts Legacy not exploring the sexual experiences of literal school children, I am starting to see a disturbing trend in your complaints about various games. I understand your free-love-free-exploration philosophy, I just don't agree with it. Having no boundaries at all only invites chaos. I hope you find what you are looking for in the future.
This supposed "nomalization" caused by fictional media is a myth. There's not a single (serious) study out there that can prove it in any measure whatsoever.
No one in their sane mind takes the shit that happens in games as a sign of it being socially accepted. They play the damn games exactly because it's an outlet to desires they know are wrong or taboo in real life.
Anyone that claims they did some shit everyone and their moms knows it's wrong and blame it on fictional media is either:
1 - a psychologically unstable person that would just get it's "validation" elsewhere anyway because the problems lies in how their mind works to begin with;
2 - someone trying to shift the blame and avoid accountability for their own actions.
You're free to dislike and not consume any sort or media that features content you consider gross or whatever: that is your undeniable right. But don't try to propagate false truths and baseless censorship in the grounds of your own head-canon about how people and this world works.
Sorry to see you go, but take care!
@@fernandobarbosa9727 Not a single study, you say? Heh. Sure, okay. Pretty sure proof can't be based on absence.
Also, your keyword is "sane", not everyone is sane.
There's plenty of base for censorship depending on the culture, medium, age and moral compass of the consumer, etc. There's nothing baseless about it.
That's a lot of big words you're throwing around to not know what the fuck you're even talking about. :P
I think you make some valid points. As someone who was assaulted by a pedophile as a child, I am particularly uncomfortable with the whole lolicon "flavor" (and sexual assault fantasies aimed at men) in manga and anime; some of the fan service involving characters under 10 years old in the Neptunia games felt very wrong to me, as did a few scenes/characters in Evenicle. And having done research in role-play communities in Second Life, I've also witnessed how people fantasizing about a certain illegal/transgressive flavor in RP get lured deeper down the rabbit hole by people actually performing related acts offline. I think this is why I'm a lot less disturbed by fantasy fetishes (futa, hypnosis, tentacles, etc.) than possible ones. That said, I think SPG is the only channel that grapples with any of the issues surrounding NSFW games, and (at least for the time being) I'm proud to be a subscriber and Patreon supporter.
I'm starting to feel the same. It's getting a bit weird. Personally, I think nonconsensual stuff is a bit easier to be seen as obviously wrong, given violence in video games works similar, but lolicon and shotacon appeal to people with categorical mental disorders. Appealing to that plays into their disorder, and it has real life implications. Noncon fantasies are relatively normal, according to most research into it, but most research has also found that desires toward underage individuals is a mental disorder in almost every category. It threatens children, it is linked to serious issues with impulse control and it is heavily linked to an inability to keep fiction and reality separate. The slippery slope fallacy doesn't justify being against a single line being drawn. You can easily say that games like Hatred are gross, but CoD is fine, even with its peddling of propaganda. And you can easily say lolicon and shotacon are hard nos while being fine with most other content. The slope won't slip or change, because that's a fallacy. People confuse the true end game of people with a slippery slope. Generally, most sites and places that have bans on anything underage still have every other flavor imaginable.
Hell, in many times and countries, lolicon and shotacon are more acceptable than same sex marriage, despite one being obviously predatory. So, I don't think cries of censorship fly here.
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