Maybe something to add: - 14700K might be the smarter choice for gaming if you want to go Intel - especially in simracing the higher core count doesn't really help at all - AMD USB issues seems to be mostly solved for 7000 series - AMD will also benefit from faster RAM, but anything over 6400 MHz is pretty much wasted money
@@nmelol Think this was solved more and more for every release, i got 5800X3D with X470, no issues at all. Latest bios and drivers. with 2700X in same board i had alot of issues.
Not a direct comparison, but I had to RMA the 13900k that I had for a year in my sim rig... while waiting I replaced it with a 14700k. it outperforms the 13900k in almost every aspect that I had tested the 13900k in previously, needless to say it's still in there and the replacement 13900 has been relegated to the shelf. As far as price vs performance on the Intel side 14700 is probably the way to go like you mention.
I know right? “My chip manufacturer that is primarily interested in maximizing profit is better than your chip manufacturer that is primarily interested in maximizing profit”. I will never understand people fanboying over cpus or gpus - just buy the best chip your budget allows 😅
Did you have any of the background processing tasks running like you would in iRacing normally? I.e. Racelabs, Simhub, etc I wonder if that would make a difference to the CPUs with productivity cores?
Got a 7800X3D a few weeks ago, paired with a Aorus X670 Elite AX board and 64 gigs of the same ram you used in the video (G.Skill 6000 @ CL-30), using a Gigabyte 4090 gaming oc also. I am blown away by this new setup, yes, I had the 4090 before with a 5900x, but man oh man, this 7800X3D is impressive to say the least. Pretty much all my sims run smoother, even AC, rFactor 2, R3E and AMS2, also MSFS-2020 runs really well on this setup. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, this is in VR (Reverb G2v2) at SteamVR resolution of 3160 x 3092 per eye and it's very smooth. I love it! LOL I am not loyal to any brand, whoever makes the best bang for the buck will win with me. This 7800X3D is great bang for the buck! :)
I went from 5950x to 7950x3D which I converted to 7800x3D by locking down half of the cores. Rocking also 4090 and Reverb G2. Also , got much better results in frames. Really have to recommend the 3D chips. Everything is so much more smooth now.
Thank you so much for the great content. It's very useful. Would the results be the same for other main simulators? Additionally, would AMD still have the advantage if you're considering running a few other apps alongside the sim for your accessories, such as Simhub, Crewchief, Simpro manager, Sim Racing Studio, Simrig, etc.?
Right, that's settled it, as soon as the 9000 series X3D comes out then I'm off to get the hopefully cheaper 7800X3D to replace my 7900X......actually who am I kidding, I'll probably end up getting the 9800X3D.
I'm getting triple 1080p soon and my pc is currently 5600x and 3060ti. Do you think it will be good enough and if not, what should be the first upgrade? CPU or GPU? Edit: I mainly play iracing
what if i already have 13900k should i "upgrade" to 7800x3d or its not that big of a difference to spend that much money on an entirely different platform?
Thanks for the comparison! I just disagree with one thing: Triple 4K does make a difference, IF you go with a large enough display. I use Triple 4Ks and they're 48" so you can tell the difference vs 1440p at this size. But yes, at the "standard" 32" inches, definitely 1440p! Still rocking my 5800X3D with a 4080 and 32Gb of RAM and using DLSS in ACC I stay above the 60fps "limit". Thanks again!
Hm I still went 1440p when I was using my triple 55” - they were so far away (behind the wheel base) that I couldn’t tell a difference 😅 mainly did that for performance reasons though
@@DanSuzuki I don't have the best eyes on the planet especially now on my mid 40's 😅 now but the 48's I have do go up to 120Hz and depending on how many things are going on screen it does hover 70ish-90ish... But I gotta say thank goodness for DLSS/FSR otherwise 1440p would be the way to go! 🤣
Out of curiosity, did you happen to look at your processes in task manager when you had the AM5 chips running? I have been able to reduce the amount of background processes on my 7950x3D and so far it runs faster than any of the 7800x3D systems I’ve built for customers. Maybe a golden sample but I don’t think I’m that lucky 😂
great video, Dan! I currently run an AMD 5800x3D chip on an AM4 MB with a 4080 Super. I am considering upgrading to the AMD 7800x3D AM5 platform. Would I see any noticeable difference in performance in iRacing?
I am running a 5800X3D with a 4090 and was asking me the same question. The switch from AM4 to AM5 would cost me 700€ ... so decided to wait for the next X3D generation in 2025 as the 5800X3D is still performing vey good.
Dunno man, I don’t think the juice will be worth the squeeze - 5800x3D is a beast; I can’t imagine the improvements going to a 7800 will be worth the cost and time.
@@yannis22666 I think that makes sense. I actually posted a comment today in the iRacing forum about either upgrading to the 7800x3D OR upgrading to an RTX4090. Again, not sure if the upgrade from a 4080 Super to a 4090 is worth the extra $600 ($1100 for the 4080 super vs $1700 for the 4090)
@@tapidlittle13 Thank you. I am just going to hold tight then. Sounds like no need to upgrade to the 4090 unless I do the CPU as well, which opens up a lot $$$
Interesting you mentioned about ram. Would be curious if the speed of the ram actually makes a significant enough difference to warrant upgrading to a faster kit. I've 32gb ddr5 5200mhz ( can't remember the timings) and wonder is it worth upgrading at all?
100 watts does really bother You? It is 1 old style light bulb... I hope You don't use OLED monitors. They are power hungry too. Difference for triples is way more than 100 watts compared to LCD
And here I am with my i7 10700K, RTX 2070 Super on triples 27” 5760x1080 and thinking to buy the Samsung 57” ultrawide which is 7680x2160…. Was thinking to use the ultrawide at 1440p and then use extra resolution scaling in iRacing to downscale it for performance till 1080p…. Don’t know how it will look and how it will perform… totally going for risk because I DON’T gonna buy a new pc or upgrade anything…. Any advice/thoughts are welcome. 👍🏁
Downscaling will look terrible. 1440p on a native panel looks nice, on a 4k panel however, 1440p looks terrible because not all the pixels are lit and this causes the overall quality to be substantially less. Whatever resolution you are targeting, get a panel specific for that use case.
It would probably increase the gap but not really change the outcome of the benchmarks that much - the 7800X3D already was the best choice even before the new patches 😅
Great video, Dan. I like how the X3D CPUs have changed the landscape for sim racers, especially those that are more keen on ACC. It will be interesting to see how much of a difference vanilla Zen 5 offers compared to 7000X3D CPUs.
Thanks to your suggestion, I bought the 7800X3D. I must say, going from always 120% on the i7-9700 in ACC, to 50% on the 7800X3D in crowded lobbies feels really good, like I felt I made the right choice for my simracing journey. Now it very rarely drops from 144fps on my 3060ti GPU. You're spot on about how CPU heavy those games are.
I know it’s asking a lot because you’ve already finished this video, but any chance you could look at the same comparison for LMU, AC, and AMS2? Maybe just make a community post with those results to avoid another entire video? 🙏
7800x3d. Intel CPUs has a scandal where the CPUs start degrading after months of use. Intel is supposedly releasing a software/firmware update to fix the issue, but at the cost of performance.
This is perfect thanks 🙏 I'm also running triple 1440. I've purchased an Aorus master 4090, and looking at the Master X670e board, and was torn which CPU to get. This has confirmed the 7800x3d for me. Unless R9 comes out with something wild next week.
Hi Dan, 1st of all thx for that video very informative ;) got a 4070 super Ti with 2x16gb BUT on a so.AM4 MainBoard. on so.AM4 there is no 7800X3D available. Which CPU would you prefer on that System?
The 7800x3d's 3dcache is able to get the frames and simulations processed quicker to send to the GPU. That's simply all it is. It's AMDs smoking gun and quite a gun it is. The 7950x3d is weird. It actually runs slower if you allow it to use all of its cores. You actually need to shut off one of its sections because it tries to split the 3dcache. GamersNexus had a great video on this CPU and the weird issues it runs into. It's great in all core workloads like blender, but for most gaming where it's 1-4 cores (usually), it is worse than the 7800x3d "usually".
Thanks for the comparative! Really helpful! I'm planning to build a pc now in 2024 don't want to spend very much, so thinking about combination 7800X3D plus RTX 4080 Super. Cheers!
I guess i need to try triples for myself, but on a single 1440p ultrawide I average 300fps in Iracing with a 13900k. And even then I'm bottlenecked by my 3090, so im not sure how adding more screens could cause a bottleneck on my cpu, when I would think there would be much more load put on my gpu.
I would have loved to see AMS2, EA WRC and Rfactor or LMU too but hey, it's great to see some sim benchmark. Also a test in simple 4k and triple 4k might have been interesting (just to see if the CPU is still relevant). On AMS2 with my old 5960x I still get ~100fps since my 7900XTX has enough work to not be waiting too much (triple 4k).
@DanSuzuki could you post screenshots of the graphics quality settings you were using? ‘Video Settings’ in ACC. Like all settings maxed out? FSR on/off, HDR, etc? Thanks
Anyway you could do 4K single monitor? I know cpu doesn’t matter as much at 4K but for cpu intense games it could. I’m at a 5800X3D and debating on going 7800X3D
Somewhere at the end of the year I want to upgrade my I5 9600 platform. I had only Intel and I will wait for the next gen Intel CPUs to see how they perform.
was pricing out a pc a few days ago and the 7800x3d was the most budget friendly one and i was thinking that i was giving up performacne by not going with the 7950x3d but i guess i was wrong thanks for the video dan always appreciate the info
Hello Dan! Thank you for the review. I would like to ask you if before conducting the test battery, you performed a stability test on the DDR5 RAM (7800CL36). Unfortunately, the XMP profiles and memory controllers from Intel and AMD for DDR5 have erratic behaviors, and even if the memory kits are on the motherboard manufacturer’s QVL, that doesn’t guarantee at all that simply configuring that profile will be stable. It would be good if you could run tests to ensure stability for at least 12-24 hours, like stress tests such as Karhu or several hours of y-cruncher VST. It’s very likely that such disparate results are due to a lack of stability. Best, Miguel
I always ran the ram at 6800 mhz in daily use - just cranked it to the limit for the benchmark, it slightly increased performance by 1-2% on iracing compared to the results on 6800, ACC seemed unaffected showing same results
good comparison Dan, thanks. I haven't seen it in the video but have you carried out the tests with the "core isolate off"? If not, try it, you can get an average of 10 more FPS on the 7800x3d with ACC
Been wondering when this video would be posted. Built a budget £800 pc in 2018 based off a yt video (for gaming) & got into sim racing slightly after. I play iracing on pretty low settings. I can sometimes suffer severe fps drop mid race & occasionally my pc will crash & power off mid race or freeze frame forever. I'm looking at getting the best pc I can build & this has helped a ton. Thank you very much.
I currently run the same GPU. Why are you deciding to upgrade? I feel like it is still a bit too good to spend a small fortune on new hardware.. I "just" run a single 1440p ultrawide screen
@@Technoane i am on triple 1440p. the 2070 super does still get the job done but with rain and some other games i play, it is starting to lack a bit. also the rain bug with 2000 series cards is still not fixed and is a bit annoying. It is for sure a "want" upgrade and not a "needed" one lol
@@Bretticus19 At this point you might as well wait a few months and see how the next gen GPUs turn out? The 4000-series has been a bit underwhelming in regards of performance and pricing, tho it got a bit better with the new Supers. Then again, the jump from 2070 to 4080 is def noticeable
Thanks for the test! What do you think about the future of iRacing? Do you think they could make big changes in SW to use more cores/threads at the same time and mix things up in the next three years?
Interesting video. I'm running the 7800X3D with a Radeon RX 7900 XTX (24GB on the GPU) and can run iRacing at reasonably high graphics settings with triple 2k 27" monitors - getting pretty decent FPS (~100).
Hi Dan, eine Frage: ich habe einen 12900KS, 16GB RAM DDR4 3600 und eine RTX 3070. Auf der Nordschleife habe ich jetzt zum ersten Mal echte Probleme mit der Hardware bekommen. Wo sitzt aus Deiner Sicht in dem System der Flaschenhals? Danke für Dein Feedback. Liebe Grüße, Bob
You made this video more fair by giving the Intel some "proper" RAM. Lots of techtubers / reviewers gimp the Intel by giving it the same RAM (eg. AMD & Intel at 6000) or barely faster RAM (eg. AMD 6000, Intel 6600). The primary timings fine too so Kudos to you. Question: You remembered to enable XMP with Intel, yes?
Haha yes of course :) I typically run it at 6800 for stability reasons since it doesn't cost a lot of performance but for the benchmark I had it running at its full speed!
The 7950X3D is a little slower than the 7800X3D because it's essentially 2 processors talking to each other. Is that the case also for the 7900X3D? Would it be 2 processors talking to each other also, or does it work similar to the 7800X3D?
7800 mhz TRULY stable on a regular 4-dimm motherboard seems a bit strange, judging by the experiences of many overclockers across the internet. Computer can run on high memory clocks, but the "hidden" instability can seriously affect performance.
agree! in my "daily" use I always ran it at 6800mhz - went to 7800 only for the benchmarks (gave a little 1-2% boost on iracing, ACC seemed mainly unaffected compared to 6800).
It would be nice to have your methodology described better. Did you hop in online server or did your laps with Ai? In my experience a lobby with a lot of online players stresses the CPU. Not to bash on your findings, in reality your results reflect the feedback and experience I get from my Sim pals. 😊
According to other tests, Intel at least has considerably less energy consumption on idle than AMD, so the total energy costs are likely lower depending on your usage. Probably nobody is buying a CPU like that for low idle consumption, but with my rather low percentage of gaming compare to lighter tasks, I certainly can't justify a switch to AMD for energy saving.
Dan I need your help I have a GIGABYTE RTX 4080 16G GAMING OC VIDEO CARD with a AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Processor. Is that good or do I need to go bigger for the 4080 I have?
I run a 750W in my racing rig without any problems 😊 maybe in synthetic benchmarks you can get close to the limit - but with normal gaming I’ve never seen it go over 600
Nothing wrong with some headroom tho, very few components works at its best (being performance, efficency or longevity) when running close to it’s maximum all the time. Another €30 on a €4000+ computer 🤷♂️
@@-Ola-. I fully agree. The thing is a lot of people will tell you to buy 1000w and more because you have a 4090. That's not true! You don't need that much power. The 4xxx series are way more efficient than the 3xxx series, and way more powerful.
@@DanSuzuki Just out of curiosity. Which power supply do you got exactly in your rig with the 4090? I'm mainly interested in if it is a multi-railed or single-railed PSU at +12V... Thanks in advance!
I went from i5 2500k to 7800x3d. Yes, everything works faster, but if You ask me, if performance gains was worth the money? No (limited in funds for hobby). Unfortunately 8gb ram of my old system was not good enough for iRacing, and no way I was spending 70 Eur on ddr3... Still using GTX970 :) I expect this CPU to work for the next 15 years.
How did you get the AMD 7800x3d to work on the Intel platform. Both that socket and the CPU have pins. Did you snip off the pins on the socket or did you trim the CPU pins????
@@AyyLmaoZedong I didn't changed just CPUs. Of course I changed mother board, ram, coller, I added nvme drive. I kept old case, power supply, GPU, HDD and SATA SSD drives.
@@pirotehs I was just making a smart ass joke. Its amazing you have been able to use such old system for all these years. I am not the one who upgrades often either but to have a PC for 10+ years is quite a accomplishment.
You will not get much from that in VR. You are GPU bound. I recently upgraded from a 5600x to a 7800x3d, there is barely any difference in VR, maybe a bit more stable but its a small difference. If you want to get an idea on VR performance look at 4K benchmarks, that would be the closest to it without direct comparisons.
Out of curiosity, what exact settings are you using? Your results for iRacing are pretty much the opposite of result trends in the iRacing community CPU benchmark in the iRacing forums. While I certainly understand the flaws in the community benchmark however there are users running benchmarks with the same GPU and memory in some cases. I’m not disagreeing that the X3D processors are fantastic, but in iRacing specifically clock speed and IPC are king. Meaning the 14900KS should have dominated your iRacing testing and the 13900k should have been second or third. Something seems off…
It heavily depends on the scenario what’s happening in track. Especially starts and badly optimized tracks like Daytona stress the CPU a lot - this here is a kind of worst case scenario with 60 cars in the rain at Daytona at night 😅
@@DanSuzuki totally makes sense. I guess my question is really getting at testing methodology. Were the tests based off a replay file or were the tests based on live AI races? Was the test based on a fixed camera like cockpit or was it a random camera like TV1?
Most likely default intel settings / undercooled, which is what usually what happens in these reviews. Basically means it's not a real world test because who the fuck spends on the money on the intel and doesn't make use of the GHZ since if you leave it default it won't even boost properly in iracing.
I have a 5700x and a powecolor reddevil rx 6750 xt on a 1080p 100hz monitor and it's perfect. For me anything more than 100 fps is just a waste. If you're running a single monitor, YOU DO NOT need a $400 cpu, not even with triples, unless it's 4k and 4k for sim racing is not needed, it's just not, 1440 is more than enough, 1080 at a 100hz is waaaay more than enough, I will die on that hill, 100 fps on cyberpunk 100 fps on red dead redemption And so on. You do not need a $400 or $500 cpu. A 7600x or a 7700x, 5800x, 5800x3d, 5600g lol will run any sim more than fine.
@DanSuzuki which is what most people game on. If a dude is running multiple programs and, and doing more than just gaming (streamimg, working etc), as you do, than MAYBE a $400 or $500 cpu is warranted. If not, and a person is strictly gaming as most are, that cpu is overkill.
@DanSuzuki I understand that. You still don't need a $500 cpu. Triples or not. Intel cpu will run triples just fine, and not a $500 cpu, that's just false. Intel i5 10600k will run triples, a 5600x will run triples just fine.
Maybe something to add:
- 14700K might be the smarter choice for gaming if you want to go Intel - especially in simracing the higher core count doesn't really help at all
- AMD USB issues seems to be mostly solved for 7000 series
- AMD will also benefit from faster RAM, but anything over 6400 MHz is pretty much wasted money
USB issues mostly solved or actually solved?
I didn't have any issues with my 7950X3D system, I've had a few issues on the 13900K that could be solved by an active USB hub.
@@nmelol Think this was solved more and more for every release, i got 5800X3D with X470, no issues at all. Latest bios and drivers. with 2700X in same board i had alot of issues.
What about the famous "best bang for the buck", is the 14700kf will offer the most performance for the price in an overall use ?
Not a direct comparison, but I had to RMA the 13900k that I had for a year in my sim rig... while waiting I replaced it with a 14700k. it outperforms the 13900k in almost every aspect that I had tested the 13900k in previously, needless to say it's still in there and the replacement 13900 has been relegated to the shelf. As far as price vs performance on the Intel side 14700 is probably the way to go like you mention.
Great Vid Dan. Would love to see a VR Comparison of this too if possible
Excellent video mate. I’m rebuilding my sim PC at the moment with a 14900K. Cant wait to get flamed. 😂
Oh you will have some comments, you’re doing it wrong. 😂
I mean - as a content creator - don’t we get flamed for anything we do anyways? 🤣
7800x3d with 4080super doing good for me. Super happy that switched to AMD CPU.
I just bought a PC with these components. How much FPS do you get in Iracing ? And do you drive on 1440p single ?
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏻
Its amazing what AMD has been able to do with this 3D cache. Even going from 5800x to 5800X3D i got significant improvement.
same. 5800X3D paired with 3080 & 32GB RAM. Really great performance for me.
@@rayjubb8726 here also.. great cpu
Same here. Made a big difference and since I am using curve optimisation the 5800x3d has even more performance and is perfectly quiet....
I have been thinking about taking this step but worried if it's worth it. What %fps would you say you increased? Do you run triples?
@@Qyxz85 i got around 15 fps increase most games on average.
@DanSuzuki VR benchmarks would be great as well if possible
So would saying 'please'.
I love how people can be dedicated to a company even tho its more expensive and doesn't work as well as the alternatives.
I know right? “My chip manufacturer that is primarily interested in maximizing profit is better than your chip manufacturer that is primarily interested in maximizing profit”.
I will never understand people fanboying over cpus or gpus - just buy the best chip your budget allows 😅
@@DanSuzuki I honestly thought you were going to say “If you hate AMD, you’d still be stupid to go Intel”
I have a 7800x3d with a 4080. It’s great for sim racing, particularly as I only run an ultra wide monitor.
Thanks! Would be cool to have 5800X3D in there for comparison too though
Did you have any of the background processing tasks running like you would in iRacing normally? I.e. Racelabs, Simhub, etc I wonder if that would make a difference to the CPUs with productivity cores?
Got a 7800X3D a few weeks ago, paired with a Aorus X670 Elite AX board and 64 gigs of the same ram you used in the video (G.Skill 6000 @ CL-30), using a Gigabyte 4090 gaming oc also. I am blown away by this new setup, yes, I had the 4090 before with a 5900x, but man oh man, this 7800X3D is impressive to say the least. Pretty much all my sims run smoother, even AC, rFactor 2, R3E and AMS2, also MSFS-2020 runs really well on this setup.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, this is in VR (Reverb G2v2) at SteamVR resolution of 3160 x 3092 per eye and it's very smooth. I love it! LOL
I am not loyal to any brand, whoever makes the best bang for the buck will win with me. This 7800X3D is great bang for the buck! :)
Just to let you know AMD runs RAM up to 5200mhz
@@palcuu No. Also, MT, not MHz.
I went from 5950x to 7950x3D which I converted to 7800x3D by locking down half of the cores. Rocking also 4090 and Reverb G2. Also , got much better results in frames. Really have to recommend the 3D chips. Everything is so much more smooth now.
My System is 7800X3D + 4080 - Love it 😊
I'm an Intel fanboy with a 5 year old i9 CPU looking for an upgrade - and you catched me.
I will upgrade with an AMD CPU. :)
Thank you so much for the great content. It's very useful. Would the results be the same for other main simulators? Additionally, would AMD still have the advantage if you're considering running a few other apps alongside the sim for your accessories, such as Simhub, Crewchief, Simpro manager, Sim Racing Studio, Simrig, etc.?
Right, that's settled it, as soon as the 9000 series X3D comes out then I'm off to get the hopefully cheaper 7800X3D to replace my 7900X......actually who am I kidding, I'll probably end up getting the 9800X3D.
What CPU would you recommend for those on AM4 platforms still? VR mainly….
Good question
@@dubtube6691 everything I have seen so far is that the 5800x3d is the go to CPU for AM4
I'm getting triple 1080p soon and my pc is currently 5600x and 3060ti. Do you think it will be good enough and if not, what should be the first upgrade? CPU or GPU?
Edit: I mainly play iracing
Would this work with my 2080 Super? Or should I wait until I upgrade GPU?
i‘ve upgraded from i7 8700k to ryzen 7 7800x3d, and it was a massive upgrade in combination with the 4080, 50% more fps.
What resolution are you running, and what fps do you get (start and avg)?
excellent as always 👍. Congrats for your daughter. Welcome to the dads club ...
what if i already have 13900k should i "upgrade" to 7800x3d or its not that big of a difference to spend that much money on an entirely different platform?
Thanks for the comparison!
I just disagree with one thing: Triple 4K does make a difference, IF you go with a large enough display. I use Triple 4Ks and they're 48" so you can tell the difference vs 1440p at this size. But yes, at the "standard" 32" inches, definitely 1440p!
Still rocking my 5800X3D with a 4080 and 32Gb of RAM and using DLSS in ACC I stay above the 60fps "limit".
Thanks again!
Hm I still went 1440p when I was using my triple 55” - they were so far away (behind the wheel base) that I couldn’t tell a difference 😅 mainly did that for performance reasons though
@@DanSuzuki I don't have the best eyes on the planet especially now on my mid 40's 😅 now but the 48's I have do go up to 120Hz and depending on how many things are going on screen it does hover 70ish-90ish... But I gotta say thank goodness for DLSS/FSR otherwise 1440p would be the way to go! 🤣
Out of curiosity, did you happen to look at your processes in task manager when you had the AM5 chips running? I have been able to reduce the amount of background processes on my 7950x3D and so far it runs faster than any of the 7800x3D systems I’ve built for customers. Maybe a golden sample but I don’t think I’m that lucky 😂
great video, Dan! I currently run an AMD 5800x3D chip on an AM4 MB with a 4080 Super. I am considering upgrading to the AMD 7800x3D AM5 platform. Would I see any noticeable difference in performance in iRacing?
I am running a 5800X3D with a 4090 and was asking me the same question. The switch from AM4 to AM5 would cost me 700€ ... so decided to wait for the next X3D generation in 2025 as the 5800X3D is still performing vey good.
Dunno man, I don’t think the juice will be worth the squeeze - 5800x3D is a beast; I can’t imagine the improvements going to a 7800 will be worth the cost and time.
@@yannis22666 I think that makes sense. I actually posted a comment today in the iRacing forum about either upgrading to the 7800x3D OR upgrading to an RTX4090. Again, not sure if the upgrade from a 4080 Super to a 4090 is worth the extra $600 ($1100 for the 4080 super vs $1700 for the 4090)
you will 'only' see 15-20% improvement in low fps (when race starts with a lot of vehicle), after that it's the GPU that bottlenecks, not the CPU.
@@tapidlittle13 Thank you. I am just going to hold tight then. Sounds like no need to upgrade to the 4090 unless I do the CPU as well, which opens up a lot $$$
Interesting you mentioned about ram. Would be curious if the speed of the ram actually makes a significant enough difference to warrant upgrading to a faster kit.
I've 32gb ddr5 5200mhz ( can't remember the timings) and wonder is it worth upgrading at all?
How can less be more? That‘s impossible!
More is more! 😅
I've got the 7950X3D - it's working really well so far! The power consumption of those Intel's is INSANE.
beast of a CPU - use that in my daily machine as well!
100 watts does really bother You? It is 1 old style light bulb... I hope You don't use OLED monitors. They are power hungry too. Difference for triples is way more than 100 watts compared to LCD
@@pirotehs Yeah no OLED for me yet. My comment was more on the comparison to the AMD processors. Way more power consumption for way less performance.
Turn half of the cores off to get a bump in performance in simracing. Leave the 3D cores active.
@@MegaCm123456 thanks! I'll investigate how to do that!
X3D also the goto for FlightSim
you try to say i need to upgrade my i5 2500k?
the 7900x3d has more MHz and is not in your list, test it dudes
And here I am with my i7 10700K, RTX 2070 Super on triples 27” 5760x1080 and thinking to buy the Samsung 57” ultrawide which is 7680x2160…. Was thinking to use the ultrawide at 1440p and then use extra resolution scaling in iRacing to downscale it for performance till 1080p…. Don’t know how it will look and how it will perform… totally going for risk because I DON’T gonna buy a new pc or upgrade anything….
Any advice/thoughts are welcome. 👍🏁
Downscaling will look terrible. 1440p on a native panel looks nice, on a 4k panel however, 1440p looks terrible because not all the pixels are lit and this causes the overall quality to be substantially less. Whatever resolution you are targeting, get a panel specific for that use case.
Can you rerun these tests with the latest BIOS/Windows updates? In theory, AMD gained and Intel lost performance.
It would probably increase the gap but not really change the outcome of the benchmarks that much - the 7800X3D already was the best choice even before the new patches 😅
Great video, Dan. I like how the X3D CPUs have changed the landscape for sim racers, especially those that are more keen on ACC. It will be interesting to see how much of a difference vanilla Zen 5 offers compared to 7000X3D CPUs.
Dan, where does the 5800x3D fall in this stack? Thank you.
great video. could you please also do a nvidia vs amd grafik card comparison? so for example 4080 and 7900xtx? (4090 is obviously faster) ...
yes , should be great , but also taking the price in count the 4080 is about 200,- more expensive ? more interesting is the 7900xt vs 4070 ti or super
@@1965simbad 7900 xtx and 4080 super are pretty much the same price
I don't have any of those cards unfortunately.
Thanks to your suggestion, I bought the 7800X3D. I must say, going from always 120% on the i7-9700 in ACC, to 50% on the 7800X3D in crowded lobbies feels really good, like I felt I made the right choice for my simracing journey. Now it very rarely drops from 144fps on my 3060ti GPU. You're spot on about how CPU heavy those games are.
Of course this comes out a few weeks after I settled with 14900K for my sim rig lol ❤ darn my impatience!
Nothing with impatience. All these CPUs are from last year, u had well over 6 months 😂
@@filipivan5125 you know nothing of my situation to say nothing with impatience. But please, tell me more.
I know it’s asking a lot because you’ve already finished this video, but any chance you could look at the same comparison for LMU, AC, and AMS2? Maybe just make a community post with those results to avoid another entire video? 🙏
He always provides excellent benchmarks for iracing.
Does this apply also for streaming + ACC or only running the game?
What is the best if you are racing exclusively with VR with a 4090
7800x3d.
Intel CPUs has a scandal where the CPUs start degrading after months of use. Intel is supposedly releasing a software/firmware update to fix the issue, but at the cost of performance.
7700 and 3080TI perfectly fine on triples too. The benchmarks I saw before purchase showed neglible gains for 7800X3D in gaming. 7700 is 65W TDP too.
This is perfect thanks 🙏
I'm also running triple 1440.
I've purchased an Aorus master 4090, and looking at the Master X670e board, and was torn which CPU to get. This has confirmed the 7800x3d for me. Unless R9 comes out with something wild next week.
Hi Dan, 1st of all thx for that video very informative ;) got a 4070 super Ti with 2x16gb BUT on a so.AM4 MainBoard. on so.AM4 there is no 7800X3D available. Which CPU would you prefer on that System?
5800X3D is the best buy for AM4 :)
@@DanSuzuki danke dir und noch nen angenehmen Start in die Woche ☀️
5800x3D
The 7800x3d's 3dcache is able to get the frames and simulations processed quicker to send to the GPU. That's simply all it is.
It's AMDs smoking gun and quite a gun it is.
The 7950x3d is weird. It actually runs slower if you allow it to use all of its cores. You actually need to shut off one of its sections because it tries to split the 3dcache.
GamersNexus had a great video on this CPU and the weird issues it runs into. It's great in all core workloads like blender, but for most gaming where it's 1-4 cores (usually), it is worse than the 7800x3d "usually".
Thanks for the comparative! Really helpful! I'm planning to build a pc now in 2024 don't want to spend very much, so thinking about combination 7800X3D plus RTX 4080 Super. Cheers!
I guess i need to try triples for myself, but on a single 1440p ultrawide I average 300fps in Iracing with a 13900k. And even then I'm bottlenecked by my 3090, so im not sure how adding more screens could cause a bottleneck on my cpu, when I would think there would be much more load put on my gpu.
I would have loved to see AMS2, EA WRC and Rfactor or LMU too but hey, it's great to see some sim benchmark.
Also a test in simple 4k and triple 4k might have been interesting (just to see if the CPU is still relevant). On AMS2 with my old 5960x I still get ~100fps since my 7900XTX has enough work to not be waiting too much (triple 4k).
@DanSuzuki could you post screenshots of the graphics quality settings you were using? ‘Video Settings’ in ACC. Like all settings maxed out? FSR on/off, HDR, etc? Thanks
Dan, did you happen to save your iracing graphics settings? Trying to run some comparisons on my machine. Thanks. 🙏
Anyway you could do 4K single monitor? I know cpu doesn’t matter as much at 4K but for cpu intense games it could.
I’m at a 5800X3D and debating on going 7800X3D
Somewhere at the end of the year I want to upgrade my I5 9600 platform. I had only Intel and I will wait for the next gen Intel CPUs to see how they perform.
Would've love to see you put budget options like a ryzen5 7600 and maybe a intel 13400 into the comparison.
I recently got a 7800x3d and 7900xt. I get like 400 frames on iracing single 34” 1440p and all setting ultra
So what you're saying is, my 13900k is trash and I need to upgrade. My wife will not be happy with this news.
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how ACC could have more FPS than iRacing?
Hi Dan! Great video!
I am looking to build a new powerful dedicated PC for iracing using a 49” ultra wide is the 7800X3D my best bet?
Thanks!!!
And there I was hoping to see them compared in VR too.. :/
Pointless. You are GPU bound in VR. I just got a 7800x3d, replaced a 5600x, there is barely any difference in VR. Even a 4090 is a bottleneck in VR.
@@gefx0164don't think so, I have buddies that have upgraded Intel CPU and gained frames in iRacing, iRacing is pretty CPU dependant
@@gefx0164 I thought Iracing was mostly single core dependent, well at least it was in 2019.
Hi Dan what about 4k resolution ?! Could you give us a feedback on the performance in this scenario ? Thanks
I'm commenting before watching. Just received a 7950X3D earlier today. I'm fairly certain I'll still be happy after watching.
anyone upgrade from 5800x3d to 7800x3d, and if so how was it at 4k compared to the 58?
Hi Dan. In this test you use it DLSS, or only standard Epic settings?. Thanks
was pricing out a pc a few days ago and the 7800x3d was the most budget friendly one and i was thinking that i was giving up performacne by not going with the 7950x3d but i guess i was wrong thanks for the video dan always appreciate the info
wait where did you found the 78003xd so cheap?!!! i want it
Can you do same test but with streaming with OBS?
Hello Dan! Thank you for the review. I would like to ask you if before conducting the test battery, you performed a stability test on the DDR5 RAM (7800CL36). Unfortunately, the XMP profiles and memory controllers from Intel and AMD for DDR5 have erratic behaviors, and even if the memory kits are on the motherboard manufacturer’s QVL, that doesn’t guarantee at all that simply configuring that profile will be stable. It would be good if you could run tests to ensure stability for at least 12-24 hours, like stress tests such as Karhu or several hours of y-cruncher VST. It’s very likely that such disparate results are due to a lack of stability.
Best,
Miguel
I always ran the ram at 6800 mhz in daily use - just cranked it to the limit for the benchmark, it slightly increased performance by 1-2% on iracing compared to the results on 6800, ACC seemed unaffected showing same results
hows the 5800x3d compare to the 7800x3d?
good comparison Dan, thanks. I haven't seen it in the video but have you carried out the tests with the "core isolate off"? If not, try it, you can get an average of 10 more FPS on the 7800x3d with ACC
Been wondering when this video would be posted. Built a budget £800 pc in 2018 based off a yt video (for gaming) & got into sim racing slightly after. I play iracing on pretty low settings. I can sometimes suffer severe fps drop mid race & occasionally my pc will crash & power off mid race or freeze frame forever. I'm looking at getting the best pc I can build & this has helped a ton. Thank you very much.
Fuck , ive been intel for the past 25 years , im heartbroken
can you recommend a full build for i racing and any other race games streaming plz ty
"I didnt prepare any super fancy graphics..." Launches Excel... Engineers rejoice 😂...
🤣
Intel has been in this gig for longer than anyone else, they should be ashamed.
im about to upgrade to a 78003xd and 4080 super from 3700x and 2070 super!
I currently run the same GPU. Why are you deciding to upgrade? I feel like it is still a bit too good to spend a small fortune on new hardware.. I "just" run a single 1440p ultrawide screen
@@Technoane i am on triple 1440p. the 2070 super does still get the job done but with rain and some other games i play, it is starting to lack a bit. also the rain bug with 2000 series cards is still not fixed and is a bit annoying. It is for sure a "want" upgrade and not a "needed" one lol
@@Bretticus19 At this point you might as well wait a few months and see how the next gen GPUs turn out? The 4000-series has been a bit underwhelming in regards of performance and pricing, tho it got a bit better with the new Supers. Then again, the jump from 2070 to 4080 is def noticeable
@@vollanium good idea since im not in a rush
Theres no way you just released this video, I was about to search for an iracing benchmark video and this pops up
Thanks for the test! What do you think about the future of iRacing? Do you think they could make big changes in SW to use more cores/threads at the same time and mix things up in the next three years?
Interesting video. I'm running the 7800X3D with a Radeon RX 7900 XTX (24GB on the GPU) and can run iRacing at reasonably high graphics settings with triple 2k 27" monitors - getting pretty decent FPS (~100).
Hi Dan, eine Frage: ich habe einen 12900KS, 16GB RAM DDR4 3600 und eine RTX 3070. Auf der Nordschleife habe ich jetzt zum ersten Mal echte Probleme mit der Hardware bekommen. Wo sitzt aus Deiner Sicht in dem System der Flaschenhals? Danke für Dein Feedback. Liebe Grüße, Bob
You made this video more fair by giving the Intel some "proper" RAM. Lots of techtubers / reviewers gimp the Intel by giving it the same RAM (eg. AMD & Intel at 6000) or barely faster RAM (eg. AMD 6000, Intel 6600). The primary timings fine too so Kudos to you.
Question: You remembered to enable XMP with Intel, yes?
Haha yes of course :) I typically run it at 6800 for stability reasons since it doesn't cost a lot of performance but for the benchmark I had it running at its full speed!
Thanks for this - it was the sim comparison I needed. Couldnt find the 7800 v 7950 compared in iRacing anywhere else.
The 7950X3D is a little slower than the 7800X3D because it's essentially 2 processors talking to each other. Is that the case also for the 7900X3D? Would it be 2 processors talking to each other also, or does it work similar to the 7800X3D?
7900X3D is also 2 CCDs!
7800 mhz TRULY stable on a regular 4-dimm motherboard seems a bit strange, judging by the experiences of many overclockers across the internet.
Computer can run on high memory clocks, but the "hidden" instability can seriously affect performance.
agree! in my "daily" use I always ran it at 6800mhz - went to 7800 only for the benchmarks (gave a little 1-2% boost on iracing, ACC seemed mainly unaffected compared to 6800).
It would be nice to have your methodology described better. Did you hop in online server or did your laps with Ai? In my experience a lobby with a lot of online players stresses the CPU. Not to bash on your findings, in reality your results reflect the feedback and experience I get from my Sim pals. 😊
Benchmarks are always done with race replays (60 cars)! You don’t get any reproducibility with live races 😅
Incredible how much power consuming Intel. I have 3800x and i'm happy, and i was a sort of fanboy of Intel
According to other tests, Intel at least has considerably less energy consumption on idle than AMD, so the total energy costs are likely lower depending on your usage. Probably nobody is buying a CPU like that for low idle consumption, but with my rather low percentage of gaming compare to lighter tasks, I certainly can't justify a switch to AMD for energy saving.
Thank you for me this is a very clear and well explained comparison video.
Should I run my ram on cl30 6000 or cl32 6200?
try both and see which one runs better :D
which graphic settings did you use for benchmarking? All epic? DLSS on or off?
DLSS on quality, most settings to high
No love for AM4 platforms?
Dan I need your help I have a GIGABYTE RTX 4080 16G GAMING OC VIDEO CARD with a AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Processor. Is that good or do I need to go bigger for the 4080 I have?
You can definitely gain a lot of performance with a 7800x3D!
@@DanSuzuki I have a GIGABYTE X570S AORUS MASTER motherboard. Will I have to upgrade that too?
@@courtneymcgregor6782 Yes - you will need an AM5 board (B650 / X670) I believe and DDR5 RAM.
We need more videos like this 😊😊😊
7800x3d gang 😎
Very helpful , thanks 🙂
and people still think you need a 1000w PSU with a 4090. A high quality 750w will do the job just fine!
I run a 750W in my racing rig without any problems 😊 maybe in synthetic benchmarks you can get close to the limit - but with normal gaming I’ve never seen it go over 600
@@DanSuzuki exactly. Benchmarking and real world is completely different.
Nothing wrong with some headroom tho, very few components works at its best (being performance, efficency or longevity) when running close to it’s maximum all the time. Another €30 on a €4000+ computer 🤷♂️
@@-Ola-. I fully agree. The thing is a lot of people will tell you to buy 1000w and more because you have a 4090. That's not true! You don't need that much power. The 4xxx series are way more efficient than the 3xxx series, and way more powerful.
@@DanSuzuki Just out of curiosity. Which power supply do you got exactly in your rig with the 4090? I'm mainly interested in if it is a multi-railed or single-railed PSU at +12V...
Thanks in advance!
I went from i5 2500k to 7800x3d. Yes, everything works faster, but if You ask me, if performance gains was worth the money? No (limited in funds for hobby). Unfortunately 8gb ram of my old system was not good enough for iRacing, and no way I was spending 70 Eur on ddr3... Still using GTX970 :) I expect this CPU to work for the next 15 years.
Can you even run this video in 4k with that PC of yours?
How did you get the AMD 7800x3d to work on the Intel platform. Both that socket and the CPU have pins. Did you snip off the pins on the socket or did you trim the CPU pins????
@@balkntv I don't have 4k monitor. 2500k was more than capable to process 1080p video on RUclips or local media files
@@AyyLmaoZedong I didn't changed just CPUs. Of course I changed mother board, ram, coller, I added nvme drive. I kept old case, power supply, GPU, HDD and SATA SSD drives.
@@pirotehs I was just making a smart ass joke. Its amazing you have been able to use such old system for all these years. I am not the one who upgrades often either but to have a PC for 10+ years is quite a accomplishment.
Been running 7800X3d with my 4090 since it released very happy with the combo.
Would i get gains going from an 11700k to a 7800x3d paired with a 3090ti ?? VR user.
Definitely!
Thanks Dan, been on the fence for an upgrade for a while but was looking for the best CPU for IRacing and vr 👍
You will not get much from that in VR. You are GPU bound. I recently upgraded from a 5600x to a 7800x3d, there is barely any difference in VR, maybe a bit more stable but its a small difference. If you want to get an idea on VR performance look at 4K benchmarks, that would be the closest to it without direct comparisons.
@@gefx0164 thanks for the info mate 👍
Out of curiosity, what exact settings are you using?
Your results for iRacing are pretty much the opposite of result trends in the iRacing community CPU benchmark in the iRacing forums. While I certainly understand the flaws in the community benchmark however there are users running benchmarks with the same GPU and memory in some cases.
I’m not disagreeing that the X3D processors are fantastic, but in iRacing specifically clock speed and IPC are king. Meaning the 14900KS should have dominated your iRacing testing and the 13900k should have been second or third. Something seems off…
It heavily depends on the scenario what’s happening in track. Especially starts and badly optimized tracks like Daytona stress the CPU a lot - this here is a kind of worst case scenario with 60 cars in the rain at Daytona at night 😅
@@DanSuzuki totally makes sense. I guess my question is really getting at testing methodology. Were the tests based off a replay file or were the tests based on live AI races? Was the test based on a fixed camera like cockpit or was it a random camera like TV1?
Replay, cockpit camera, always the same car of course. ACC was benched over 1 lap nords and iracing over 3 laps Daytona
@@DanSuzuki thanks for the transparency! The results are certainly unexpected. Thanks for sharing!
Most likely default intel settings / undercooled, which is what usually what happens in these reviews. Basically means it's not a real world test because who the fuck spends on the money on the intel and doesn't make use of the GHZ since if you leave it default it won't even boost properly in iracing.
I have a 5700x and a powecolor reddevil rx 6750 xt on a 1080p 100hz monitor and it's perfect. For me anything more than 100 fps is just a waste.
If you're running a single monitor, YOU DO NOT need a $400 cpu, not even with triples, unless it's 4k and 4k for sim racing is not needed, it's just not, 1440 is more than enough, 1080 at a 100hz is waaaay more than enough,
I will die on that hill,
100 fps on cyberpunk
100 fps on red dead redemption
And so on.
You do not need a $400 or $500 cpu.
A 7600x or a 7700x, 5800x, 5800x3d, 5600g lol will run any sim more than fine.
yeah, single screen gaming is pretty easy on ressources!
@DanSuzuki which is what most people game on.
If a dude is running multiple programs and, and doing more than just gaming (streamimg, working etc), as you do, than MAYBE a $400 or $500 cpu is warranted.
If not, and a person is strictly gaming as most are, that cpu is overkill.
we are talking about simracing here ... lots of people on triplescreen setups where even the fastest CPU you can buy today struggles A LOT
@DanSuzuki I understand that. You still don't need a $500 cpu. Triples or not. Intel cpu will run triples just fine, and not a $500 cpu, that's just false.
Intel i5 10600k will run triples, a 5600x will run triples just fine.
@@usleadershipareliars you’re very wrong. Get triples, run benchmarks - then we can talk 😅
I went for the 7800x3d with the 7900xt about a year ago and never looked back, I run a single super ultra wide at 120fps fixed