Is the BA XR6T Finally Running Right? Plus a look into it's Haltech brain!
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- This week we've got the BA Falcon back for an update.. it hasn't been on the channel for almost a year! Thankfully, there's a lot of good news here - through a lot of perseverance I've been able to singlehandedly get the car running right and all the gremlins ironed out of the tune. As mentioned this update is a bit nerdy and delves into some of the ECU functions, so apologies for anyone who ends up falling asleep. 😅#motoringbox
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I own a bf xr6t mk2 zf6 in breeze, & done every mod for 600hp, I just turned 21 last week, I get my opens in October. So I can’t even drive it legally yet 🤣 I don’t think I would have got all that done without you & the other people on this platforms videos and knowledge. Appreciate everything you do Sean!
As your father I find that offensive
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It's great to see tutorials regarding the technicalities of tuning. It'll pay itself off when you tinker with it yourself rather than spending $$$ for an external tuner. It's great to see Aussie products that are looking after Aussie cars
Closed loop boost control - this is where you set a target boost pressure and the ECU will constantly try to hit that boost level. You can adjust multiple parameters around how fast and aggressive the control logic reacts (PID control). Set it up to react too aggressively and you will end up with it hunting, i.e. it will cycle between overshoot, undershoot, overshoot. You can also go too far the other way and have it too slow to react, causing it to overboost. Changing the turbo like you have will 100% change how this should be setup, but it couldn't have been tuned correctly before with the stock flapper anyway.
The Base Duty Cycle numbers you changed are the starting point for the boost control. When the ECU decides it should be controlling boost, it will start with whats in that table and use the closed loop logic to adjust that number from there.
If The Hoff is still willing to help out, it might be best getring his help with getting this tuned right, PID control is a pain to work with. I can give you a basic run down on what to do if you really want to have a crack
Great to see the BA back on channel mate! 🙂
Cant believe its been so long, I feel old. Guess I really am an OG. 🤣🤣
I Hear you, brother!
Hi Sean, Andy here, just saying I wish I had your Haltech software for my Audi UR Quattro, that thing flew but overboost made it a bit of a pig to drive wish I still had it, it’s a deposit for a house now. I sold it for just over half you’ve spent doing your Magna. Can’t wait for the Magna episode!! 👍 I’ll get my son Orpheus to explain more about these setting your tuning here!
The beast returns !! So keen
Love seeing the technical side of it all too, awesome bits of info
All I know is that if the laptop screen says “DANGER TO MANIFOLD” and then a part of your floor pan falls off and starts throwing sparks everywhere you’re in the shit!
I'm so happy to see some falcon content again haha
One of the reasons for issues when you open up the throttle on a manifold injected engine is there is a small pooling of fuel at the bottom of the runner in the head that collects some of the fuel passing through and then will displace some fuel from the pool because it cannot sustain a larger size under vacuum or boost. This means you need slightly more fuel initially than the engine requires to accelerate but then also enriches the fuel mixture in larger than ideal droplets after the initial throttle input. So it can take quite a bit of work to get a nice crisp throttle.
I haven't a clue what you said but sounds interesting 🤔 obviously this is way above my level of understanding....😂 back in my day my tuner was my screwdriver 🪛....Question what kind of power figures you can expect with a few basic bolt ons on a standard ECU obviously the moon is the limits with an after market by the seems of things.
When I had my LS tuned I left it with my tuner for a couple of days so he could do stuff like this. My engine was fairly stock other than exhaust and intake but it held its own against many cars so I was very happy with how he tuned it
You lucky thing Sean (much of it self made luck BTW).
What I like about this is it keeps these cars relevant after their birthplace has gone.
You have my personal blessings to force induct the Fairmont Ghia and fit this Haltech gizmo as well. Look forward to it.
Honestly sounds like you've had some pretty hard luck between the bodywork with the magna and the bad tune on this ba. Hope you have better luck in the future, bro. Love the vids.
Oh I would never say it was bad! The car ran mint when it was up to temps, but just a few other parts which needed tweaking. A tuner probably could have sorted it in a day or two, but learning how it all works has been fun.
@MotoringBoxTV I didn't mean to say it was terrible, but honestly, with computer tunes in this day and age being what they are, cold starts really shouldn't be an issue. The company that tuned it should have taken starting into account.
@@bigjaz8768 Yeah nah. When you drop your car off for an oil change, would they replace bald tyres for free?
When you book a power tune with an engine tuner, that's what you get. They'll put it on the dyno, check your vitals, then tune it to make the best smooth and safe power curve they can with what you've supplied them.
If you want a full remap, that usually costs much more than just a power tune and they need the car for a few days, because they have to do things like cold start it half a dozen times and tune steady-state and transient throttle settings.
Best thing I put into my RZ supra, it just modernises the car so much with such a relatively small change. The company that tuned the car were hopeless so i ended up learning how to tune it myself. It's so much easier compared to 20 years ago and quite forgiving
Also you can save the Tune and work on another that you can play around with and if you ever think you have messed it up you can just revert back.
The short term trims you can add back to the base map, once a week/month when ever you want and over time it will need less.
Love watching the ba out and about again, you videos inspire me to pick up another falcon
Thanks for the video,good to hear you are happy with the tune on your ba.😀
i'm gonna have to look out for you on the motorway, this things gonna chop everything
Ive been looking at Haltech for mine for a long time, I'd have to manualise the btr however, to my knowledge no support for 4 speed auto.
I believe it can be done with an Elite running as a piggyback on top of the standard ECU. I am going to be attempting an install like this into my AU within the next few months.
Im keen mate for your vids on that, ido know lurking on haltech website they offer piggy back type adapters. Im keen on keeping the old girl as original looking as possible.
Ring up and ask, I'm pretty sure Haltechs have been able to control a BTR for many years.
With the btr get trans cooler
I have ba xr6t btr it drives fine but when load it. It slips very bad sometimes in 3rd
I recently bought a ba xr6 ute as a run around, 300,000km and pretty rough cosmetic wise. Even though its a N/A barra with a btr, for what it is its a fun car to drive and is somehow great on fuel. im very tempted to part it out and put the barra, wiring harness and ecu into my NL Fairlane and rebuild the motor to suit a turbo and run a haltech. only problem is my best mate would kill me if i swapped the sohc for a barra 😂
Great Video Shawn! Congratulations on getting the BA running great.
Next upgrade for this should be billet oil pump gears and backing plate, because the oil pump gears are known to fail on the ba-bf
Also great video
I'm leaving the oil pump for now. The saving grace is the Haltech has engine protection features that'll let you know immediately if the oil pressure suddenly disappears.
I'm lucky to have my tuner 20 minutes away.He has dialed in the haltech on cold starts from like 8-10 hits of the key to start first go Everytime.I just need to get some traction on the Dyno now 😂
He also set up boost by gear.Should have a look at that.
@@matman429 mine is currently set up that way, I've been playing around with it. The only thing is my car has a 6-speed manual which doesn't have sensors to tell which gear its in, and has to rely on the ECU comparing the engine RPM vs vehicle speed to determine it. There's a bit of a delay in it recognising the gear change, so I may go back to one boost setting for all gears.
@@MotoringBoxTV Yes I'm running a 6speed manual as well.But I'm also running a electronic waste gate.So my boost is dialed.Put that on your wish list for sure.And while your spending dollars grab a S1 sequential shifter.
I am late hear but a shorter name than ba falcon but not a short as ba is balcon. you know what might be funny (ish) getting a postie bike and kitting it out like the balcon
"the poor man pays twice" I'm still learning that lesson lol
I watch your channel regularly you are obviously tech savvy.. just wondering if this device works on dual fuel FG barra engines keep up the good work 🇦🇺👍
Haltech is American owned now. Just Australia based.
It was Australian owned till 2022.
I would recommend regap your plugs to 0.7mm if your running over 300rwkw~ 16psi. Or AGSP22YE07. Pregapped ford iridiums denoted by the 07. The sooting maybe has to do with the plug type if your running other than iridiums an too tall a gap you will get unburnt fuel on idle if the plug is not cold enough? Correct me if im wrong here lol
You might get issues with a BKR7 or 6E/IX possibly
a BKR5E/IX safer for high boost applications an 0.8mm.
I run NGK Iridium MAX 0.8mm.
Why did you go for the haltech as aposed to a stock ECU with PCMTEC?
Great job😅
@motoringbox I've recently bought some goodies for my Xr6 turbo (haltech and bigger fuel pump and injectors) and am wondering how to load a Base tune onto the haltech plug and play so i can drive it to a dyno tuner, thanks
There are base maps, but if you need help feel free to email me. Especially if you have the specs for your new injectors. sean@motoringbox.com
I'm surprised haltech don't supply a good base map for it that does a basic cold start given how much they cost and most barras keep stock cams.
They did, but as soon as you swap injectors things change.
@@MotoringBoxTVinteresting considering other ECUs do scaling for injectors
@@Low760 I can't speak on their behalf, but perhaps their base settings are on the richer side to get the engine running safely? Back in the day they did confirm to me that the base map was only to get the engine running well enough to then get it tuned, rather than a recreation of the stock BA XR6T tune.
@@Low760 Haltech does injector scaling too, every aftermarket ECU that's not trash does.
After watching this i am more convinced that superchargers are the way to go.
Definitely not. The Falcon is using an OEM turbo and they will overboost but the trade off is instant power down low and better economy vs a supercharger.
@@Low760 Sorry but you are WRONG, turbo chargers need to spool up before they can provide boost unlike a supercharger which provides boost off idle. So you have never heard of "turbo lag". Sorry too much plumbing on a turbo charger which is not that reliable. Economy is in fact comparable as economy depends purely on the control of the right foot.
You must have had the Bullshit Filter on your GoPro turned on...😂
Seriously though, well done on solving those issues!!!👌
TIL it drops below 5 degrees in QLD. As a Kiwi I assumed it was 30-40 degrees year round 💀
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What tyres are you running on your XR mate and how do you find them performance wise?
RE003's - I think they're brilliant. I don't really have anything to compare them to, but they're relatively cheap, quiet enough, grip well and also are surprisingly good in the wet.
@@MotoringBoxTV What is the wear like on them? Do you get good miles out of them?
Would have taken Hoff about 2 hours to fix all this for you.
You can pay any expert to do things faster. But then you don't learn a thing.
Ha! I personally found your s**t talk fascinating, even if your camera did not!
Good video mate. Why not get it professionally tuned and enjoy the car. This would do my head in. 😅
lets goooooo
How much are you going to sell her for
is Haltech the only solution or option in australia? lol
No, obviously not, but they ARE Australian made.
A lot of tuning support, heaps of features, easy to work with.
Still can't believe you thought you needed a haltec. Please don't ever say you don't have much money when you basically threw it away. More hassle than it's worth at the level of performance you are getting.
Very knowledgeable video man, good to watch. Sent you a msg via fb 👍