A320 NEO Autolands with a Real Airbus Pilot in Microsoft Flight Simulator
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- A few of you asked about autolanding the A320 NEO in Microsoft Flight Simulator so today we take a look, with some mixed results!
I am a real world Airbus pilot with thousands of hours flying the real aircraft and thought it would be fun to have a look at the new detailed simulation of the longest baby 'bus by Toliss as well as the new MSFS2020 A320. Hopefully you find this useful and it brings another perspective to your simulation. Any thoughts or comments are welcome!
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I've actually managed to auto-land at Melbourne International now 3 times without any problems, so i wasn't even aware it wasn't working properly. But I must admit I have not tried to auto-land anywhere else. Coming into MSFS2020, I knew nothing about flying an Airbus, and now i am... mostly successful. Thanks in whole to this channel. The most user friendly, informative and accurate explanation of the aircraft.
Look up Baltic Aviation Academy channel has some great tutorials as well in the real simulator flightdeck. ruclips.net/user/Balticaasearch?query=A320
Your level of real-time detail comparing system behavior vs desired/expected aircraft behavior on known approaches is outstanding.
(Your “play-by-play” explanation has motivated me to contemplate how I might design/build a small DIY ILS system for fixed wing UAVs. GREAT job.)
Autopilot is currently rather bad, hope they fix it soon.
I was using autopilot to maintain 15,000 ft. When I changed my heading in the autopilot the A320 went inverted...
It's still bad.
It is still bad. When is this coming out of beta?
Its fixed but the actual landing part is still broken as the plane doesnt land on the centerline nor does it flare when the top middile of the pdf says “FLARE” it doesnt so ap is fixed but not bad landing autopilot is still broke
@@alexgourdikian1741 did...did you let Eldar fly it?
Why does everyone just assume that default aircraft are allowed to suck? We're all paying for them. The basics should work. We're not talking about not being able to choose the movies shown on in-flight-entertainment...
@书中自有黄金屋 Nope. I've done this since the 90s. Delivering incomplete/broken features shouldn't be a tradition.
@@choloepus I think asobo said that they know addons will always do better than them, so they didnt put in too much effort into planes. If you want a a320 addon, theres a thing similar to the zibo 737 called the a32nx
@@mimted2614 I wish they named it something different because there was an A32NX for X-Plane already so it's a little confusing
"addons will always do better than them"
don't make sense. someone is gonna release a better sim than them so they could stop make the game at all then.
@@maximilianyuen The amount of time people who make addons have is more than devs. Especially when you have teams of dedicated people who know the real aircrafts inside and out and have a passion for it. The devs are trying to create the best platform they can and have openly released development kits for the game. This is how its always been, and how it will always be. If you have a problem with it, the ovewhelming majority of people, do not.
@320 Sim Pilot, I spent more than 300 hours studying and flying that plane in MSFS2020
The ILS approach deviation is a bug on certain runways. When I was trying to land on a runway that had ILS beacons only on one side, that side was supposed to be in the end of the runway but no, I saw ILS beacons go from the runway back in to water.
Some airports have bias/displacement of the runways and ILS compared to real world
It's amazing how the FBW A20N has gotten so much better in the last 3 years or so! Fantastic video as always!
ILS and RNAV approach inconsistencies on different runways with the buggy software are pretty frustrating.
Sometimes you can walk away and other times you auger in.
I think MS/Asobo intend the A320N to be like the 737 in X-Plane - heavily modified by the community for more realism.
Unfortunately I think the automation in the airbus is going to take quite a bit of effort to correct, if even possible.
Still great as an option to fly though!
I thought I was the only one and thought I set up badly, but it seems to be ILS on it's own. Nice video.
ILS wors perfectly on not "on its own" what is incomplete is the autoland feature
Keep getting same problem. Locallizer is always slightly to the left on final. Love the videos,very informative. Is amazing the amount of procedures involved in flying an airliner. Kudos to a real pilot sharing his extensive knowledge.
Just commenting for the algorithm, keep it up mate!
More than likely ILS approach and landing accuracy is going to depend on if the airport has been manually “touched up” by the developers or not. I would expect the “handcrafted” airports to have a much better experience in this regard vs. the ones that were generated via algorithm as in those cases, the ILS systems can be way out of alignment (which is often why on AP assisted landings the plane seems to aim for the middle of the runway and to the sides instead in the center towards the touchdown zone). Hopefully this gets refined by Asobo and/or the mod community and a lot of these issues are corrected with the airports and the aircraft at some point.
Did a lot of Autolands with the A320 on different Airports. Worked always fine...never lost the course or G/S.
Same. I’ve had no issues. This video is super critical of FS2020 and probably costing him viewers. I was coming here for help and advice and bashing the sim isn’t helping anyone. Also this walk through should start with the flight planning page in FS2020. I don’t think people even realize how you can preconfigured the flight planning to avoid tedious mouse click entry. Can I offer unsolicited advice “Real airbus” ? - Provide a good example of it working and walk viewers through it end to end. Note any challenges you came across at end. I think this video is just discouraging and in fact autoland is really really simple to do in Fs2020 on airbus model. Maybe you’re over complicating.
@@michael4506 He was trying to provide a good example of it working, but it kept breaking. He tried different airports, different runways. I've had a similar experience. It's VERY hard not to be critical of the simulator when doing a video about something that *doesn't work.* He's a real life A320 pilot, one of the primary draws to the channel is him pointing out how it would work IRL and showing how the simulator does it. That will naturally lead to him pointing out the inaccuracies in the simulator.
cityuser but we aren’t in real life and if we were it would take a lot of training to get on his level. Know your audience. Here is how it works for me every time in the game ruclips.net/video/FG2Lu1kCasg/видео.html
Love your videos, really well explained, details are well explained but concise and not tedious. You clearly have a strong understanding of what you are doing, which is why I prefer videos and channels by people who fly the real aircraft, like you, because in addition to accurate understanding of the procedures, you know all the whys and the hows, which makes for more interesting and informative videos
I appreciate that Kate, thank you so much!
It used to be a part of flightsimmer's mandatory armchair education item that "ILS freaks out at low altitude due to shortened baseline", and previous versions of MSFS sort of represented that so you had to always take over. That obviously shouldn't happen with CAT III Autoland but that could be it.
Your videos are very instructive. Please teach us more about this. I have been flying with simulation for 23 years, and I left the flight for a while due to many defects in the FSX.
Please prepare more videos for us. I watch with pleasure and I know that many people do not know your page yet and I introduced you to all my friends. I know people forget to like after watching the video, which is very bad.
I wish you all the best my dear friend
Wow, very nice videos as always. Thank you for your time to tell us.
I know I said it would be nice to see some top of descent and calculating descending rate videos. But a video about holdings, typing them into the mcdu and go arounds would be awesome too.
I know it‘s a lot of stuff but the community is craving for good content.
And you are basically the most direct person to learn it from.
Please continue these series of informative videos for the a320 neo.
Again: thank you for the good stuff!
Ok, it's a real pilot having the same difficulty with ILS approaches in MSFS. That's a relief lol.
the ils is inconsistent, depending on which airport you're landing
Thanks for showing all the failed attempts. It helps to show that even if you set everything up correctly the game itself is buggy and it may not work as expected!
Here’s the thing. The Localizer that works best is the default RW the simulator chooses when you select the arrival airport. I go into DFW and 18L is the only Localizer that works well. And that is the default choice
My almost daily run is from KIAH-KDFW. Normally commercial aircraft depart on the runway closest to the terminal and arriving aircraft use the outer ones. 18L would normally be used for departures, but I guess it depends on traffic density. I normally use 17C.
i'm not sure which version of the A320NX you have but the one i'm using (latest stable version) i got CAT 3 SINGLE show up on the FMA while i was approaching and showed LAND, FLARE and ROLLOUT as you mentioned and landed fine if not a bit roughly
4 out of 5 with good flair that's with my upgraded A320 Neo.👍
That is good to hear! Sounds like it is improving. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for all the videos sofar. Before your channel i used various other resources and it was pretty hard translating that content to the msfs2020 version of the a320. Also explaining all steps and pointing out bugs (that really confused me earlier) really helps alot.
Why you can't display the ILS is because the Freq. for the loc. has to be manually placed on the approach screen in the 320nx mod., the stock A320 will place the freq. in.
I appreciate the time and knowledge you are providing to make these videos.
Another great in depth video, nice to see the procedures that are carried out on the flight deck.. thanks 👍
Interesting, I did a cat 3 landing on a flight between KJFK and KDCA last night, it did display this in the FMA. I will see if I can duplicate it.
Currently trying out the experimental version, working great other than a few bugs, dual AP's and autoland now work.
I see here the same problem, which I have when doing automatic landings with ILS - the vertical speed on touch down is rather high - here in this video it seems to be above 500 fpm, which is a lot... of course you can reduce this speed through manual flare, but then it is no more an automatic landing...
This was an excellent video and brilliantly narrated. Well done.
Personally I use the experimental version with the custom autopilot. I’m not a real world pilot but in my humble opinion, it works as i would expect.
Try the Flybywire Mod A320 Experimental. The Autoland works perfect!
thx man for the awesome tutorial o7 thats a whole lot more then i thought a autoland requires :) Microsoft really needs to fix the autopilot issues asap its really annoying in the big birds.
Fantastic video, thank you for the time you take to teach us all and give us valuable info.
Keep up these tutorials excellent
Please do more things like this. Like RNAV flights and approaches and circling to land
Another great video with loads of info 👍🏾
Thanks for the video
Another grrreat video - thanks! I'm still having trouble with the autopilot though, every time I select the ILS approach phase :¬(
The ICAO categorisation says CAT3A is for a DH lower than 100ft. There is no minimum DH just an RVR limit of not less than 200m.
CAT3B is for DH lower than 50ft and RVR 200m to minimum of 75m.
CAT3C=flying and taxing blindly.
I could be wrong though my book is a bit old.
would love top see an updated version if this video
Can you please do a tutorial on all the lighting system? I'm still a bit confused about when to use what. Such as Strobe (On, Auto, Off and some planes have flashing/solid), Beacon Lights, NAV, Runway Turnoff, Landing, Taxi (off, TO, Taxi). It would be MUCH MUCH appreciated. Thank you!
Thank you so much really appreciate it 😊!!
I tried this in a few airports as well, if Im not already mostly lined up with the localizer before activating approach mode it will align itself incorrectly and try to land me on the grass parallel to the runway.
same
Yes had that happen a few times . I realized you just have to make sure you really align the diamonds.
I am so happy to see your all having these issues..I thought it was just me.
zaboolovescodex That gets me wondering... Would that actually happen in real life if a small side lobe exists in the localizer antenna’s radiation pattern ? Not sure. Hmmm...
Can you please do an RNAV approach tutorial for Microsoft flight simulator 2020 in the neo
During AUTO Landing i think AP1 and AP2 buttons should be both pressed.
Excellent videos. Hats off to you sir!
Loving the videos, they’ve really helped with my flight simming in general but especially with the 2020 MSFS! I was wondering if I would be able to DM you regarding some real life flying things?
The atc is also in need of serious fixing! The other day I was shooting an approach to Bergen, & atc told me to descend only when I reached the star, & had me at 7000feet for final approach, when I needed to be at 3000.
One question, how do we determine takeoff trim? It was easy on the Flight factor a320.
This!
ATC has throughout flight sim history been garbage at best. This tradition continues in MSFS2020. The bug giving low FPS with SimConnect has been fixed and now users can log on to VATSIM using Vpilot and FSUIPC7 beta which is a stand alone program.
Really appreciate your videos. Maybe the bugs will eventually get worked out.
Another fantastic video, thank you very much for the time and effort you put in! I was wondering if it has to do with having both the Loc and the Approach buttons activated, instead of just the Approach?
Glad you liked it, thank you for watching and your comment! In the Airbus you can press LOC first and then APPR, it will just add the G/S armed for you. Hopefully we will see more of these features corrected soon!
@@320SimPilot If you want to get the ILS info on the PFD I use the nav button on the radio management panel under the MCDU. I lift the cover on the nav button, select NAV and select ILS.
There is a way to bringthe ILS on the PFD using the MCDU but as I don't know how to use the MCDU yet so I'm not sure how. I mentioned my work around to a streamer and he armed the ILS using the MCDU.
Why is there not a purple diamond visible for the LOC ? (only see the one from the glideslope)
I use autoland ALWAYS and for me it always works. Maybe because i use the flight plan from the editor instead of setting the ILS-frequency manually....
Do you know if there's a workaround to get the built-in flight planner to work when you spawn in the air? Every time I do an air start my waypoints and destination aren't loaded in the A320. Makes it really hard to practice anything but visual approaches unless I do some weird flight plan like Newark to JFK.
@@MrMattumbo sorry, i don't know, i always take off from runways or start from the gate, my flightplan always is set correctly then
I’m not understanding something and maybe it’s terminology or otherwise…..I was under the impression on cat3 that you programmed RVR and I see nowhere to implement this? Or I missed something. If you could elaborate on the mda and dh and rvr id really appreciate it
RVR is a requirement, so it stands for ‘runway visual range’. The airport will measure the RVR in metres. If it’s below the required minimum we cannot make our approach as we would not be visual. However we can land without seeing the runway using CAT3B but in that case we still need 75m RVR so we can taxi the aircraft off the runway. Either way RVR is never entered into the FMGC, it is more like a readout on the current weather. DH however is the moment in the descent to the runway where we must be visual, so it’s where we make our decision.
I usually take over at 100 feet even in a CAT 3 landing since the flare mode is such trash right now.
How are people getting those different camera presets? All i got are the instruments for cockpit and some that move around the plane from the outside.... I would like to have that look out of the window....
I hope after watching this I can finally get the airplane to land...
I've noticed with my Saitek yoke, I don't have the precision I'd like. Might have to bust out my Thrustmaster, but then I don't have use of the throttle quadrant.
I think the problem was with the A320NX. When I installed that version I could never land straight into the runway using ILS. Although previously I landed on the same airport. It was always missing the runway. Uninstalling it somehow worked for me again
The localiser is completely fucked. Glideslope isnt much better.
I also saw that if during flight plan the flight route (approach) isn't slightly alined with the runway, then during landing the plane will always miss the runway. I have to max zoom during the flight plan to make sure the path is straight. Weird
What i dont understand, if this was released to people in Alpha and Beta versions, surely these glaringly obvious issues should have been picked up ? or is that being too simplistic? The indecent haste to launch it too was misjudged i think
Idk if I got it right but auto landing is like a normal ils app but we don’t disarm auto pilot? (Talking about the sim not real life)
hey 320 Sim Pilot,
Do you have any tips in terms of TR preparation because i will fly the 321neo and would like to meet the requirements of my airline :) keep up the content, I'm really learning out of your videos!
I did a video on this 2 days ago. Autopilot was a mess tbh. Kept going off centre landing on the side of the runway.
This was on the ingame landing tutorial. I thought i was doing it wrong but now i know it seems a bug?
Vey good vid man !>>>>>>>>>OMG !.... Hopefully the flybywiresim group will be able to get this right. ( what a desaster performance of Microsoft Flight sim .....how long do they make flightsims now?)
It's been a very long time since FSX and it's a new team who made it.
@@cjmillsnun ...( forgot to save previous experience?.....)
Is there a bug that doesnt activate the decent mode in the FMC before the Approach mode? So it seems to go from take off to climb to cruise fine, but from Cuise to decent it doesnt trigger, but the approach does trigger. Anybody know how to trigger the decent mode in the FMC?
It's almost 6 months later and this still hasn't been fixed. You can't engage both autopilots and it frequently fails to acquire LOC or G/S despite being in range, and then it does little to no flare and sometimes even bounces off the runway. You'd think this would be one of the first things they'd fix, but no. It's amazing how buggy Microsoft Flight Simulator is in general, there are small bugs everywhere still.
Well over 2k views in 4 hours, that’s pretty impressive, you’ll be able to give up your day job soon! Lol.
even million views you can barely stay alive from youtube money. people need sponsor and subsidy of all kind to stay afloat and it's not likely Airbus will buy airtime or sponsor from this.
He’s a real pilot lol
Great Video - Thanx a lot!
I tried several landings before you put out your video with this and I got the same result. It puts the plain to the left and correcting it with the keyboard is almost impossible in such little distance. I'm a total beginner with the flight sim world but I've stopped playing because so many things are broken now. Microsoft workaround flight simulator.
I disengage autopilot the last 1000 feet or so and fly manually. It's also good practice.
noticed you engaged the copilots autopilot, if the copilot has something different in his mfd ils frequency? i say that because i didnt see the pink glide slope triangle on the hud
keep it up mate!
When I fly an ILS approach in the A320 FBW, everything is fine until the last 1000ft. Aircraft aligned with the ILS with AP, LOC & APP activated. When the AP, LOC & APP is switched off for a manual landing my flight controls just don’t work and there is no flight control possible, the plane just does it’s own thing. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?
Best video to experiment with auto landing! I attempted to auto land using ILS/APR mode into KJFK on an A320. Everything looked normal until 30 feet above runway and PFD showed 'Flare'. When I moved the thrust lever from CLIME to Idle, the plane took a nose dive, hit the runway hard, bounced up a couple of times before finally landing. Do you think it is a bug?
'Not for real world use'
Me: Steals A320 and uses tutorials to pilot it
Amsterdam Schiphol is good for
Autoland..
Oddly enough, I've never had these problems with landings; of course I don't autoland but every time I've used the ILS, it always lines me up correctly with the runway and it always manages the glideslope correctly. I've seen these weird deviations from a lot of youtubers but never in game
no food sim pilot has problems with landings in ILS. But he is not talking about ILS, he is talking about autoland, which is incomplete in the sim
Not sure if this is a stupid question or not but just thought I'd ask as google isnt helping me. Why do commercial jets require more than 1 autopilot? Is 1 there just for backup? Or can one do something that the other cant? Do they work at the same time?
Would appreciate any answer thanks guys :)
Can the real aircraft really autoland in crosswinds? What ate the limits?
Have you ever been to Salzburg? I am living there, greetings!
I think this bug has been fixed on the world II update?
Very nice thank you
Have you pre-ordered your 3090 yet? Might get a consistent 30fps with that :D
You can’t preorder it yet
I have no idea how people are having issues with this game I run 3440x1440 at 90 percent resolution on high end preset and I get over 100 most times and over 60 when low to the ground . I will be getting a 3080 so will be interesting to see it perform .
@@ericimi can I have your old gpu? :)
Still some work to be done on the A320, i must say!!!!!
So which sim do you think has the physical flight characteristics (yaw, pitch, movement behaviour, landing characteristics) of an A320 which is most like the real thing? MS FS2020 or X-Plane? I have been flying X-Plane for awhile (ToLiss A319 and A321 as well as the FF A320) and I find them easier to land. Having problems with the FS2020 A-320...
I have not been having this issue, but I have only tried this at two airports. Also, I have a question, what are you supposed to do when/if you go around on an auto land? I had to go around once and could not get the plane to follow the G/S, it did follow the LOC though. Is there something specific you have to do after going around to get it to auto land again?
It's kinda sad that the ILS likes to do the very opposite of a flare and should be put in jail for murder.
thx for this. been also watching your other ils videos. unfortunately i never ever get to capture g/s. loc is no problem, the plane aligns with centreline. g/s shows up in blue early on but then disappears when i'm about to intercept it and i continue at altitude. any ideas?
Using the default A320 I think I got it to work, I wasn't intending to autoland but I used approach mode to bring me and it was perfectly tracking the glideslope till 100ft when I disconnected the autopilot. Maybe it's an issue with the modded version? That or JFK is just less buggy (I think it is one of the handcrafted airports so maybe that makes a difference).
They're still using the default Asobo model for the modded version.
Why weren't you using both ap?
LOL if a real life pilot struggles to autoland, what chance do we have? 😲
I attempted YBNN 4 times last night before I eventually gave up on it, now I dont feel so bad knowing the game is just buggy.
can you compare fs2020 with xplane 11
the approach phase seems to be the most difficult for me
As you mention weather conditions in this video:
What do you think about the live weather?
I'm currently flying on FL320 above a Taifun strength 2 and real weather reports wind 100/80.
MSFS2020 applies 225/03 which is ridiculous ....
Trafic and weather are set to "Live". Do I miss some settings in the preparation phase, maybe?
The 225/03 is a known issue. People flew through hurricane Laura and still read the same thing. I'd be happy if I can manually edit the alt/spd restrictions in the MCDU.
@@Sim737Pilot Ok, thanks for the info. I get those winds during all flights, more or less . even if I get weather readings for the airport or not, always around 225/03
Every time I try this the plane bounces... what am I doing wrong?
The system in Microsoft Flight Simulator is not very reliable yet so it could simply be that. Are you closing the thrust levers before touchdown? Thanks for watching!
@@320SimPilot that might be the issue. Going to try a few flights again.
So should keep the throttle at CLB and then go to 0 around 10 feet? I keep seeing the speed being a little fast for me. I also notice I can adjust the speed even though AT is enabled right above the runway. I assume this is normal.
Why does mine do a nosedive on the flare section?
Try it on a handcrafted airport
What is the most common type of landing for airliners in the real world? Is ILS always the standard? Thanks!
Visual approach, although as prudent practice, all the controls are set up to follow the ILS as added safety measure.
this is not autoland, in autoland the autopilot flares then reduces the throttle to idle which it does not do in FS2020
@320 Sim Pilot, I’m another real-world Airbus pilot (albeit A330), and had a few questions about MSFS2020/A320. Any chance of DM?
Hi Warrick, thanks for watching. Best place for contact is to join the discord!
@@320SimPilot Can I ask what your Discord username is?
I really want to use the neo but it crashes the game every tim I load it up