It's not clarified, but it's easy to just assume that they're younger generations of the original dwellers being experimented on, like the overseer. He even says the Gulper is literally a relative of his
"A man and his dog" is a reference to a novella from 1969 called "A boy and his dog", and its film adaptation of the same name, that was a direct influence in creating the original Fallout. It narrates the story of a morally-grey boy and his telepathic dog surviving in an apocalyptic post-nuclear war world.
The thing you have to keep in mind about Maximus is that he's basically a kid in an adult's body. The implication is that he got taken in to the BoS when he was rescued by them after Shady Sands was destroyed, and has been living a relatively sheltered life on base ever since. His emotional growth basically stopped there with BoS indoctrination. Because of this, he still has a weirdly naive, childlike outlook on a lot of stuff that isn't directly related to survival or the BoS.
FWIW, the actor who plays Walton Goggins actor colleague, who warns him about Vault-Tec, is named Dallas Goldtooth, and he's outrageously good (and funny) in a show called Reservation Dogs.
A little correction that has been the cause for a LOT of debate. 2277 denotes the FALL of Shady Sands not when the actual bomb was dropped. That happened shortly after in 2281 (after the events of Fallout New Vegas). They should have been a little clearer on this to be sure with the arrow leading from 2277 appearing to indicate a nuclear explosion at that time. It doesn't. It's an arrow progressing to the next event of the nuclear explosion, which has no date (2281).
I love watching your reactions and your analysis of shows, being that you are someone who works in the industry and has such a keen sense about how the storytelling aspects of this work. The sense combined with your genuin love of the game makes you catch or even predict things so mnay other reactors don't. Can't wait to see the last 2 episodes with you!
Quick note. The Shady Sands bomb didn't drop on 2277. It fell just after New Vegas. 2277 marks the start of the NCR war and occupation in New Vegas. Which pretty much any officer and the embassador says its a big drain and morale breaker of the NCR.
Really? From what I understood in the show it kinda clearly says that it got destroyed in 2277, isn't there like a timeline written in Vault 4 even? (You're 100% right from a lore perspective, so not trying to debate anything, just regarding what is conveyed in the show!)
@@AdmiralEisbaer Spoiler Neil: Todd and Jonah did a interview and were asked specifically about it, the bomb(s) fall like minutes into the new Vegas credits It's the ign spoiler talk or something like that.
@@IdriveKITTnycah alright. Yeah then they should have definitely conveyed that information better instead of writing 'The Fall of shady sands' with a big bomb next to it 😂
There is an arrow next to 2077 on the blackboard before the explosion, which implies and has been confirmed to show that there was a time gap between the two events. They use the same arrows throughout the written timeline to denote the passage of time.
@@AdmiralEisbaer No, it does not clearly show being destroyed in 2277. "Fall of" is like _The Fall of Rome_ as a date on a timeline. Rome still existed centuries after. Fall means political fall. The people were likely scattered, the leaders split, schism, corruption, etc. - all are alluded to in New Vegas.
Having finished the show, I still don't get why they're doing the gulper/human experiments. Like I get it if it was the experiment of the vault in the beginning (if they had one of course). But why keep it up? I don't get what the end result would be. Domestic gulpers? but what for?
To be fair, as far as the ashes & blood thing, we can be fairly sure that those are symbolic at this point (just normal ash & some sort of red beverage - akin to the Catholic 'body & blood of christ' thing) given that logically after 20-ish years they'd have run out of any remains from the actual people lost (how do you even collect that shortly after a nuclear detonation, anyway?), the ceremony doesn't seem like something that happens extremely rarely, from context clues.
The 'special vault for management' thing reminds me of the original radio production of Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy in 1978 where all middle managers were sent off to prepare another planet for the rebuilding of humanity. It was a joke of course. They were "sent ahead" because they were surplus to requirements and taking up valuable room. Not the same here of course. This is more like the thinking behind Dolmann-Sax-Lill the intergalactic shoe corporation.
Tiberius?! Given the cryo pods in this episode I would guess that's their contextual hint for Moldaver's preservation. I doubt she'd manage to be a regular human looking ghoul. And yes, this is why the gulper in the show looked so differently to the ones in the games.
15:30 I can't quite make out what you're saying, but it sounds like Flame a mother or Flame Another and I'm really confused how you misheard when the "President" very clearly and articulately said "flame mother"
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Neil, it's good to have and your reactions back. You were missed over the last year.
Head of the government's name is Sorrel Booker. Actor Sorrell Booke played Boss Hogg in Dukes of Hazzard.
Also (someone correct me if I'm wrong) notice the "surface dwellers" are not mutated. Only the ones raised in the actual vault.
It's not clarified, but it's easy to just assume that they're younger generations of the original dwellers being experimented on, like the overseer.
He even says the Gulper is literally a relative of his
"A man and his dog" is a reference to a novella from 1969 called "A boy and his dog", and its film adaptation of the same name, that was a direct influence in creating the original Fallout. It narrates the story of a morally-grey boy and his telepathic dog surviving in an apocalyptic post-nuclear war world.
Great comment, thank you!
The thing you have to keep in mind about Maximus is that he's basically a kid in an adult's body. The implication is that he got taken in to the BoS when he was rescued by them after Shady Sands was destroyed, and has been living a relatively sheltered life on base ever since. His emotional growth basically stopped there with BoS indoctrination. Because of this, he still has a weirdly naive, childlike outlook on a lot of stuff that isn't directly related to survival or the BoS.
Plus the Idiot Savant perk gives him extra experience!
FWIW, the actor who plays Walton Goggins actor colleague, who warns him about Vault-Tec, is named Dallas Goldtooth, and he's outrageously good (and funny) in a show called Reservation Dogs.
The overseer of Vault 4 is actually the voice actor of Jerry in Rick & Morty !
A little correction that has been the cause for a LOT of debate. 2277 denotes the FALL of Shady Sands not when the actual bomb was dropped. That happened shortly after in 2281 (after the events of Fallout New Vegas). They should have been a little clearer on this to be sure with the arrow leading from 2277 appearing to indicate a nuclear explosion at that time. It doesn't. It's an arrow progressing to the next event of the nuclear explosion, which has no date (2281).
I love watching your reactions and your analysis of shows, being that you are someone who works in the industry and has such a keen sense about how the storytelling aspects of this work. The sense combined with your genuin love of the game makes you catch or even predict things so mnay other reactors don't. Can't wait to see the last 2 episodes with you!
Really happy you're doing this and you should keep doing things at your pace. But i can't wait to see your reactions to 7 & 8
Oh god, the music:)
Quick note. The Shady Sands bomb didn't drop on 2277. It fell just after New Vegas. 2277 marks the start of the NCR war and occupation in New Vegas. Which pretty much any officer and the embassador says its a big drain and morale breaker of the NCR.
Really? From what I understood in the show it kinda clearly says that it got destroyed in 2277, isn't there like a timeline written in Vault 4 even?
(You're 100% right from a lore perspective, so not trying to debate anything, just regarding what is conveyed in the show!)
@@AdmiralEisbaer Spoiler Neil: Todd and Jonah did a interview and were asked specifically about it, the bomb(s) fall like minutes into the new Vegas credits
It's the ign spoiler talk or something like that.
@@IdriveKITTnycah alright. Yeah then they should have definitely conveyed that information better instead of writing 'The Fall of shady sands' with a big bomb next to it 😂
There is an arrow next to 2077 on the blackboard before the explosion, which implies and has been confirmed to show that there was a time gap between the two events.
They use the same arrows throughout the written timeline to denote the passage of time.
@@AdmiralEisbaer
No, it does not clearly show being destroyed in 2277.
"Fall of" is like _The Fall of Rome_ as a date on a timeline. Rome still existed centuries after.
Fall means political fall. The people were likely scattered, the leaders split, schism, corruption, etc. - all are alluded to in New Vegas.
Great to.see you enjoying this Neil . Thanks to your reactions so am I.
Loving your reactions
Having finished the show, I still don't get why they're doing the gulper/human experiments. Like I get it if it was the experiment of the vault in the beginning (if they had one of course). But why keep it up? I don't get what the end result would be. Domestic gulpers? but what for?
Not enough stimpaks in the world for those deputies.
To be fair, as far as the ashes & blood thing, we can be fairly sure that those are symbolic at this point (just normal ash & some sort of red beverage - akin to the Catholic 'body & blood of christ' thing) given that logically after 20-ish years they'd have run out of any remains from the actual people lost (how do you even collect that shortly after a nuclear detonation, anyway?), the ceremony doesn't seem like something that happens extremely rarely, from context clues.
Verdammt! The last two are hidden.
They really missed an opportunity to name Matt Berry's robot "Cogsworth."
The 'special vault for management' thing reminds me of the original radio production of Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy in 1978 where all middle managers were sent off to prepare another planet for the rebuilding of humanity. It was a joke of course. They were "sent ahead" because they were surplus to requirements and taking up valuable room. Not the same here of course. This is more like the thinking behind Dolmann-Sax-Lill the intergalactic shoe corporation.
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Tiberius?!
Given the cryo pods in this episode I would guess that's their contextual hint for Moldaver's preservation. I doubt she'd manage to be a regular human looking ghoul. And yes, this is why the gulper in the show looked so differently to the ones in the games.
15:30 I can't quite make out what you're saying, but it sounds like Flame a mother or Flame Another and I'm really confused how you misheard when the "President" very clearly and articulately said "flame mother"
Love this show. Reignited alot of people's want to replay the games