I have the dewalt model. It has saved wifi connections during power outages, ran fridges despite the modified sine wave and charged the batteries off the gas generator. All in all I like it, very simple design and can power pretty much anything. I agree they could improve on it, designed about 10 years ago and still competing against brand new units. I had dewalt batteries already and was reasonably priced for the bare unit.
i love how you quickly decided to change up your scoring to apply to a broad range of use cases. for me it was over when only dewalt and milwaukee could run the table saw at max load but you kept it interesting and i watched the whole video anyways,
Been waiting for this H to H test, awesome job evaluating these Portable switchable battery storage devices, should have inc,uded an Inverter Fridge and Microwave or Induction Hotplate stove , but then the tests might be too long..Great job!!!
@A Concord Carpenter / ToolBoxBuzz. Thanks Rob and TBB Crew for another great and thorough power station head-2-head comparison. You really hit all the spots to include how some of the power stations can't be left on standby without draining the batteries (by design). I know that the Milwaukee M18 carry-On doesn't emphasize that in their user's manual. I agree with you that if we're in a particular battery platform, we'll typically get one of these based upon what batteries we're invested in. For those who may be in more than one battery platform (or plan to) like power tools and OPE, then EGO for OPE and one of the others may be in order. Hope you, the crew at TBB, and your families stay safe and well.
Thanks again for all of your hard work. I really enjoyed the latest impact driver head to head. I can't wait for the latest hammer drill head to head it's been ahwile
Excellent! Thorough! Fair! I have the EGO Nexus and your pros and cons list for all was "spot on" and applicable depending on the use case. Thank you! Well Done!
This is an amazing video. A lot of information and I truly enjoyed and learned from, the tests that you performed. These were some real-world results that other videos I've watched could learn from. However, your channel missed some stuff in the notes. For example, you noted more information on your website but then didn't include the URL of the site. I would have enjoyed a link to the place you purchased the test subjects. Perhaps there would be a discount price that you didn't know about. And lastly, you could have added a chapter list listing each test so I could click and go to that test. I've saved the link in my research folder and I can go back and watch the *entire* video again. but the chapter list would have prevented that and preserved my sanity. :)
I just bought an Ecoflow Delta Max, which is a dedicated solar power station with an internal 2kWh battery, 2400W pure sine wave inverter with a 4000W peak, 800W of solar input and tons of outputs (12V, USB-A/C, 120V). I have TONS of Ego batteries and the value of the Nexus just wasn’t there. The big kicker was SLOW charging on AC and no pass-through charging for AC or solar, a big oversight. I’m using the Ecoflow on a job site and never have to think about power. The solar panels keep it charged and I just work around them. This might not work on some job sites where theft is a concern unless you have portable solar panels, which are available but expensive.
@@benoitchartrand5772 I believe it sells for about $1800 in the US. I’m in Canada so it was a little more here. It’s worth the premium over the options covered here in my opinion since it is far more flexible and has much more energy capacity. They sell smaller models which are cheaper if you don’t need 2kWh of battery, in which case it could offer similar capacity as these options at quite a bit less cost.
I have been running the Dewalt power station for years on the job. I love it and the clips for a tool/open box for backup batteries but I wish it had claener sciway power. Great review! 👍
That's a great video on "Home Backup"! It's so important to be prepared and have a reliable power backup solution, especially when enjoying outdoor adventures or spending quality time with family in an RV. Have you heard about the Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series? It has a massive capacity, powerful output, and super fast recharging capabilities. Plus, it's waterproof and has comprehensive protections. Might be worth considering for your outdoor gear! Happy camping!
I am intrigued by the Milwaukee. I would use it t at home to power my furnace fan during a power outage, using my existing tool batteries. Indoor piwer, no fumes, no noise, nothing theft worries like an outside generator.
The DeWalt and Milwaukee can run power tools with ease while other generators fail completely. The Milwaukee having pure sine wave while the DeWalt does not makes it more useful to other uses.
👏👏👍 love your head to head's Rob , great in depth review I have the Ego power station , only because I've been using the lawn equipment and two stage snow blower I don't think it can be hooked up parallel like the Ryobi Im heavily invested in the Bosch cordless tools platform And hopefully they will come out with some kind of power supply like this , Im looking for some sort of not too expensive system to be able to charge the Ego batteries while i am using the nexus to power the utilities around the house , so while the batteries being used can be replaced with charged up batteries from some sort of solar charge system 🤷🏼♂️ Thanks for your information and great video Rob , Keep up the great work 💪
Yes they do need to make an updated one 100%. They should make it able to utilize the 60v from the flexvolt battery's so you don't need all 4 batterys at the same time unless you're using only 20v battery's. Would love a 20amp outlet on it as well. I buy it for sure.
The Ryobi doesn’t need to talk to the batteries. But if it can’t it won’t produce max power. So if you use only an original 40v battery that doesn’t talk to the power station you are going to max out just above 400 watts of power. So I always make sure 2 new batteries are installed and then the other 2 can be old batteries. Because it will take old batteries that means I was able to hack it and give it any 36v to 42v power source. Which is what you get when putting 2 -18v batteries in series. So I’m using a dead 40v battery with the guts taken out and an input wire coming out to connect to the power station. It has worked great so far. Definitely not within warranty specs ;).
A good comprehensive test. As you say hard one to do because they are horses for courses. I still run my petrol generator. Bit noisy. But a fraction of the price. Pure sine wave. Will run power tools and electrical goods. These battery power stations are very impressive but prohibitively expensive. Definitely getting better though.
Another solid solid test guys… thanks for all the hard work… 🙏🙏and more and more I see my commitment to Makita for years and years has been a bad choice… don’t know why they don’t gaf about quality of life… take care out there !! 👊👊
Being without the power cord, or worse completely loosing the power cord, would suck. So on my Ryobi I put a carabiner on the cord bag and I hang that off the end. So I never loose it. Onboard storage would have been nice.
I'm sure your field modification works great. Its pretty clear to me that you're a person that wants to be prepared and recognized where things could go wrong - kudos!!
What’s nice about using battery power stations like this, is it’s easy to swap out batteries if you’ve got an issue. Currently I have a pecron2000lfp, great solar generator that runs at a 2k continuous, can take 1200w solan input. If it has an issue though, it’s s pain to send it in for maintenance because of the internal batteries. Don’t have that issue here.
This was an awesome review! There is one thing that I wish you would have taken into consideration with the Dewalt and Milwaukie though. The fact that all of the batteries for these two power stations can be removed if need be for a period of time and used for virtually their entire lineup of tools handtool/stationary/ as well as lawn maintenance in dewalts case (not sure if Milwaukee has a "gardening line"). Its a game changer in my opinion. If need be just keep a 5th battery handy if someone needs to snag a battery off the station for a few minutes.
Would definitely recommend keeping eye on the ryobi power station on direct tool outlet for "factory blemished." Was able to pickup the station plus bunch of 40v batteries (plus some 40v tools to expand my collection, bonus if they came with a battery) for under the cost of just the power station alone from home depot. Haven't used for emergency power situation but has been super useful for random things where outlet isnt convenient or would have to run a super long extension cord for. The charging time is super slow with the included cable which is fine for my usecase but may want to invest in a rapid 40v charger if you need to swab batteries frequently.
The oldest and has yet to reveal a new updated unit is Dewalt I have one and been using it for 6 years on a just about daily basis and no problems at all.
I have a bunch of ryobi 40v stuff so I went with the power station. For the little back up power I need it’s been perfect. I’d get another to be able to double power, but like it just fine. If I could start over… I’d actually get into the EcoFlow system. I am really impressed with what I’ve seen of those.
I chose the Ryobi because of the warranty of 5 years for consumer use. Plus the warranty is dealt with locally. So if the power goes out and I plug in my fridge and the Ryobi stops working after 30 minutes I can run to Home Depot and be back with a new unit before my fridge warms up. For my use this was a huge benefit.
Ryobi’s power station battery can not be used in all 40v tools because it is a triple height battery. The 40v lawnmower will only take a double height battery. Ryobi did this because the triple height battery can output more power. So it can handle max power out with only 2 batteries installed.
I have two of the larger Milwaukee power packs and found the inverter voltage starts to fluctuate after about 45 mins of constant use. Deliver lots of power, but short runtime. Cutting a 40ft tree and limbing, I went through 1-1/2 batteries. If you leave the batteries attached when in storage they will self drain. Its okay for running power tools, but keep away from sensitive electronics like frig, computers, etc. Definitely not for use as household power back up.
The Dewalt power station was definitely the first to market and am curious which came first, it or USB-C. That is why its probably lacking a lot features.
That Ryobi can be had for under $700 with the 4 6ah batteries if you purchase it from the right online retailer. Ryobi also has 7.5ah batteries available and 12ah batteries if you really need some extended run time.
Did a quick calc on a full 18V (I realize this is the 40V review) system last night with two inter-connected Ryobis, each loaded with 8 12Ah batteries (16 total) and two solar chargers... just under $5,000 USD 😅
Data point of 2 for Ego… I’ve killed two of their batteries in two years on a lawnmower that lives in a climate controlled garage. Could be bad luck but I’m not investing into the platform any further. As always, Great video and great testing!
Sounds like bad luck. They typically last 5-6 years per battery and even then they will run just with much reduce battery life. After 2 years a little drop in battery life can be expected, but nothing major. Dead battery or no, there isn't a battery powered mower on planet earth that competes with Ego in my experience. Well worth it on that alone, I must say. Have had great success with some of their other tools as well (weed whacker, blower, pole saw so far)
For what it’s worth, I burned up the motor from mowing tree roots, but your comment got me to thinking… I went back and checked the batteries and one of the ones that failed was legit, but the 2nd was an amazon knockoff. I’m still back on gas, but I’m not quite as salty with Ego.
@@jackjmaheriii Honestly I fully expected to go with gas when I bought a new mower this year, but I was annoyed. I owned a Honda mower from home Depot, it wasn't the best model on the shelf but I thought it would get the job done. It has been pure torture maintaining that thing over the mere 6 years that I've owned it. After the first couple years every time I went to fix something another thing would crap out in 2 weeks. By the time I gave up I had new spark plugs, new fuel line and filters, springs, intake filter, gaskets, I even installed a brand spanking new carburetor (because I even after cleaning it over and over again it still gave me trouble). Not to mention the deck was rusted in multiple places. Then to have it fail to start AGAIN... I was done. And the sad thing is all you hear growing up is how Honda is the best thing since sliced bread you'll get 20 years out of it yadda yadda, and now when I went shopping I learn Honda is getting out of small mowers altogether. So that's what got me thinking, hey let me see how battery mowers are doing. I doubted they could ever stand up to Texas sized weeds. Glad I was willing to risk the money because boy did it pay off, this thing could break in 5 years and I'd honestly probly still buy another one. It just mows like crazy with no noise, no gas refills, no pull chain, and it's super light weight to maneuver. Can't believe it took me this long to switch.
Great review. I have the RYOBI for short term home backup/recreational power. I have found that the RYOBI 40V 5AH batteries retail for $135. You loose a bit of run time but the $/Wh is even better than quoted in the review.
Quick question. On the Ego system, if you only have 4 batteries and no other source of power, would it be feasible to place the quick charger on one of the outlets to recharge one of the 4 batteries and rotate so to speak to keep batteries from totally depleting before electricity is restored?
I'm surprised the Ryobi did that well, super interesting. Can you run a de-hum filter on your audio, that AC/Fan noise really overwhelms when listening...
I'm a black & yellow team and I am sad that dewalt haven't come up with a pure sinewave inverter to operate my tvs, routers and my hardwired cameras in an invent of power outage. Yes I have a gas generator but I don't want to deal with a lot of noise just for 3/4 hrs outage.
Question, can you continually charge EGO batteries with an EGO charger off of the EGO power station, and have constant battery life as you continue to swap out the batteries ?
My Milwaukee runs my vacuum pump and recovery machine fine if I dont want to run 200’ of lead cord. It ran my pellet stove for 4 hours and 20 minutes during an outage. Still on the fence about keeping it. 12.0 batteries were big bucks and I dont really use them for any other tool at work or home.
Buyers should take note of the Dewalt not being an inverter type power plant, very important should one use it in a blackout and use it to run a NEWER INVERTER Type fridge.
DeWalt may not have all the bells and whistles that the other ones have, but bells and whistles break. The simplicity of the DeWalt will make it easy to use because they're not that much to have to deal with.
How does the Ryobi 18 Volt Power station compare to the 40 Volt power station I believe the 18 volt power station is slightly more powerful because it's rated at a true 1800 watts not just for 3 minutes. The 40 Volt model is rated for 1800 watts but for only for 3 minutes, but 1650 continues, the 18 volt model does not have this limitation.
GREAT INFO 👌🏿 I was about to purchase the Dewalt power station due to the multitude of the batteries in other Dewalt tools. However, Ryobi looks to be a better bargain for my purposes so, thanks!
What amp hour batteries did ypu use for each power station? Use the 15ah flexvolt dewalt batteries aNd i bet that thing last alot longer… thats very important information we would need to make a decision to determine if it will fit our run time application
When are they going to add the cables to make it a jump starter too? Everything is there except the cables. Make it happen and then you will have a truly useful tool.
does Ryobi make a 18V unit and if so could you use the conversion parts to run it with Milwaukee batteries? How small a battery will the Milwaukee unit run on could you put in 5s once the 12s ran out or 4s?
Lithium ion batteries are neat in a pinch for power stations, but I'd honestly go with lithium iron phosphate battery units for something like this, as they have a significantly longer service life at the cost of being slightly heavier. Also I know there are stations powerful enough to power 6kw welders, so multiple saws would be a breeze. If I were a contractor using corded power tools and needed an actual battery unit, I'd pick up an ecoflow delta as it would run circles around these, it would basically be like having wall power for a jobsite
Frankly I have a large petrol generator that I can run for 11hrs under load and produces more than 4x more power than all of these, its noisy and that sucks but it crushes all of these at being a generator and it cost me less. By the way this is a really good review.
Battery powered generator stations are not for powering your house after a hurricane, they are for charging batteries/powering peripherals at a work site, providing portable power on a camping trip, providing power outside the home for an afternoon of lawn care, etc. They serve a fundamentally different purpose than petrol generators. They can fill the need of a petrol generator, but its going to depend upon the consumer's willingness to invest in the battery platform for long distance runtime if runtime is the goal. If you're a customer who already spent a lot of money on a certain platform, for example you have an Ego mower (fantastic mowers), trimmer, edger, pole saw, chainsaw, blower etc and racked up a decent arsenal of batteries over the course of using that platform, grabbing a power station for 500 bucks or a power station + 2 additional large batteries for 950$ is pretty darn good bargain and impressive supplement on top of the kit you already have.
I have both the Milwaukee and Ryobi since I have many of their batteries and was considering getting the MX version of the Milwaukee since it is on sale now but it makes no financial sense since I would have to get a lot of new batteries. But ultimately these are only good for small indoor use, whereas prolonged and heavy use is demanded only gasoline generators will work.
im an autodetailer and trying to avoid the fumes from gas powered ones. ryobi knowing it’s the best all purpose one, can it sustain me using a 4.5gal air compressor and a steamer?
Ryobi cord is the same as their cheapest model “clip-on” 40v tool battery charger. Also, the ryobi comes with a nylon bag for cord, manual, etc. AND a nylon cover. You should have gotten those with your unit, mine came with them and two 6ah 40v tool batteries.
I have the Dewalt is save my but on home,campsite and job site. I have back wired a house so I have light on or the daytime working and nighttime cameras and lights for security.
It's funny that popular brands such as Milwaukee, DeWalt, and Ryobi have not taken notes from more experienced players in this market such as Bluetti , Ecoflow and Zendure. If you need power on a job site you also want mc4 hookup for solar panels to be able to last a day, you want pass through charging, batteries that will last 10+ years such as lithium iron phosphate, ability to use as a home backup when not on a jobsite. Ups mode... The only thing that makes these units desirable is being able to use the batteries in your tools, beyond that they fall short. Surely our big tool players can do better than this. Thanks for the comparison.
13:26 You will be surprised, but the most sensitive to pure sine are motors, a computer will run without problems (80 to 230V). I managed to run a laptop on ten 12V cheap AGM batteries in series. A laptop will convert AC to DC (170V DC), and supply a MOSFET converter to desired voltage. There is almost no way to inject modified sine into your laptop. I will never run a fridge on a modified sine.
Enjoy it while it last because that is all in one battery if it dies, then your entire unit is useless. If one of the 4 battery dies you can replace it with a new one and the unit is still good to go.
@A Concord Carpenter I want to see see run an extreme application. Say an inverter welder Like a Miller Multimatic 215 or 220. And like a plasma 375 or 625 from miller. On 15amp these tools drop their rating but I want to see them run it for in a pinch or small remote repair jobs. Of course a regular gas generator or shore power is more ideal. But let’s see if they can power them up for small mig or stick jobs.
Good video but your definitely making the dewalt sound really expensive when overall its typically not. Power station itself is cheaper then milwaukee and also, i know your going off retail prices and not what somebody mite already have, but why would some one pay 319 pee 12ah battery over getting 2 9ah for 349? Either save $578 and have 4 9ah instead of 4 12ah or spend an extra $120 and have 8 9ah instead of 4 12ah and run for longer. If you really want jus 4 highest batteries and your willing to pay 319 for 12s it is also worth considering purchasing 4 15ah instead at 400 a piece although the 9s would still be my suggestion.
@1ELiMusic The Ryobi power station I got 9 months ago doesn’t let you charge the batteries and use the 120v plugs at the same time. Which means you can’t use the power station while it is connected to solar. So I charge 1 battery on solar separately from the unit. When that’s full I switch to charging another battery.
Went with RYOBI 18V Station ,, 1# Reason is hot swap of Batterys , 2# Has 8 battery slots, 3# you can mix batterys /slash amps , pulls amps even across all batterys , so if add little 2 ah battery , takes 8th of the load off remaining batterys , 4# long as 4 batterys in the unit it will run full watts , 5# app controlled 6# Ryobi 18v is every where so need can get fast and cheap /// also there are every battery adapter made to run on an in ryobi 18v platform , so with adapter can run Milwaukee, Dewalt , Rigid , almost very battery made lol,lol 6# battery app tells charger state of all batterys , individually, 7# Built in light 8# NO BUILTED IN BATTERYS , HATE BUILT IN ,, MY LUCK ONE DIES IN FEW YEARS U GOT PAPER WIEGHT , Down side ,, 1# Not Built as Tough as Milwaukee or the Dewalt , 2# No pass through charging 3# Not Wifi , 4# NO STORAGE FOR CORDS 5# Slow on broad charger only 65 watt , charging,
I can tell you that Milwaukee so far i use that able to have the juice to kick start Washer and gas dryer Ryobi won’t be able to even get the washer even to move Bluetti AC180 does not have power to get motor going, and overload Ecoflow Delta 2 does not have the power to kick start washer and gas dryer motor like the Bluetti but both allows pass through power
4:18 LRA lock rotor amps 700% Maybe I’m a little biased as I have a couple of tough system boxes, but the fact that the dewalt is compatible with the tough system boxes, means it has a third method for carrying. Not only that, I can get 12ah worth of batteries (even though it’s 3 batteries) for $180 in the dewalt. You’re not getting close to that with a Milwaukee setup. I think that price point is under valued in this video.
Amazon has 2-packs of the DeWalt 9ah Flexvolt batteries for $325 right now which essentially cuts the overall DeWalt cost in half. Overall, the DeWalt is going to appeal most to those who are either already invested in the DeWalt ecosystem, or must run heavy jobsite tools.
I wish they wouldnt put usbs on them. They always use the low wattage ones anyways. Such as 1.4, 2.0, or even 2.4 but never 3.0 which is the fastest for most of the phones we use today. Let us use adapters for the 120 ac which people already have at home anyways. Whatd be nice is having some 12 volt outlets. 1 or even 2 would be nice. People that go camping, rving etc already have some 12 volt stuff im sure theyd like to use.
No, you’ll probably get a toaster or a electric skillet before you get a Power Station, or a cordless framing gun, cordless tablesaw and updated line of Finish guns ect.
Right!!! Or a damn packout …. I’m so invested in Makita it almost makes me sick…. I have zero problem with the tools I have- I love them- used them for 20+ years… but when Ryobi has come this far - convenience and quality of life - that’s what matters now…. And it pains me to say they are staring Makita in the face and smiling…. Take care out there guys
Dewalt charging station 1,800 - 3,600 was out years before the other station came out on the market. Dewalt was made to run you corded tools and not for electronics
cheese and rice quit picking on the Dewalt! It was out before anybody else had a remote power station for the service industry or construction. my Dewalt power station has provided years of dependable remote power on job sites.
There are so many things wrong with the criteria and features of the units tested and the process of establishing the needs requirements that this video fails on multiple fronts.
Take the ads. I just ignore them. I appreciate your free-to- me content, so I'm glad you're being recognized!
I have the dewalt model. It has saved wifi connections during power outages, ran fridges despite the modified sine wave and charged the batteries off the gas generator. All in all I like it, very simple design and can power pretty much anything. I agree they could improve on it, designed about 10 years ago and still competing against brand new units. I had dewalt batteries already and was reasonably priced for the bare unit.
i love how you quickly decided to change up your scoring to apply to a broad range of use cases. for me it was over when only dewalt and milwaukee could run the table saw at max load but you kept it interesting and i watched the whole video anyways,
I agree, if you have to select what can or can't be used on these, what's the point
Rob, thank you for another awesome video ❤❤❤
Been waiting for this H to H test, awesome job evaluating these Portable switchable battery storage devices, should have inc,uded an Inverter Fridge and Microwave or Induction Hotplate stove , but then the tests might be too long..Great job!!!
I have personally run a microwave with the DeWalt power station. Ran fine and worked as expected
Man your channel is rivaling Project Farm. Keep up the amazing work.
@A Concord Carpenter / ToolBoxBuzz. Thanks Rob and TBB Crew for another great and thorough power station head-2-head comparison. You really hit all the spots to include how some of the power stations can't be left on standby without draining the batteries (by design). I know that the Milwaukee M18 carry-On doesn't emphasize that in their user's manual.
I agree with you that if we're in a particular battery platform, we'll typically get one of these based upon what batteries we're invested in. For those who may be in more than one battery platform (or plan to) like power tools and OPE, then EGO for OPE and one of the others may be in order.
Hope you, the crew at TBB, and your families stay safe and well.
Thanks again for all of your hard work. I really enjoyed the latest impact driver head to head. I can't wait for the latest hammer drill head to head it's been ahwile
Excellent! Thorough! Fair! I have the EGO Nexus and your pros and cons list for all was "spot on" and applicable depending on the use case. Thank you! Well Done!
This was an awesome comparison! 👍 Thank you.
This is an amazing video. A lot of information and I truly enjoyed and learned from, the tests that you performed. These were some real-world results that other videos I've watched could learn from. However, your channel missed some stuff in the notes. For example, you noted more information on your website but then didn't include the URL of the site. I would have enjoyed a link to the place you purchased the test subjects. Perhaps there would be a discount price that you didn't know about. And lastly, you could have added a chapter list listing each test so I could click and go to that test. I've saved the link in my research folder and I can go back and watch the *entire* video again. but the chapter list would have prevented that and preserved my sanity. :)
I just bought an Ecoflow Delta Max, which is a dedicated solar power station with an internal 2kWh battery, 2400W pure sine wave inverter with a 4000W peak, 800W of solar input and tons of outputs (12V, USB-A/C, 120V).
I have TONS of Ego batteries and the value of the Nexus just wasn’t there. The big kicker was SLOW charging on AC and no pass-through charging for AC or solar, a big oversight.
I’m using the Ecoflow on a job site and never have to think about power. The solar panels keep it charged and I just work around them.
This might not work on some job sites where theft is a concern unless you have portable solar panels, which are available but expensive.
That's probably the absolute best solution for every situation. I wonder how much it was without the panels?
@@benoitchartrand5772 I believe it sells for about $1800 in the US. I’m in Canada so it was a little more here. It’s worth the premium over the options covered here in my opinion since it is far more flexible and has much more energy capacity. They sell smaller models which are cheaper if you don’t need 2kWh of battery, in which case it could offer similar capacity as these options at quite a bit less cost.
Thanks for a great comparison. I'm already in the Ryobi ecosystem and have 4 40V batteries and two highspeed chargers. I plan to charge off the unit.
Thanks
I have been running the Dewalt power station for years on the job. I love it and the clips for a tool/open box for backup batteries but I wish it had claener sciway power. Great review! 👍
Great job as usual. At this time, I'll just stick with my Champion gasoline-powered portable generator. All the best!
Hello from Traverse City, MI.
That's a great video on "Home Backup"! It's so important to be prepared and have a reliable power backup solution, especially when enjoying outdoor adventures or spending quality time with family in an RV. Have you heard about the Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series? It has a massive capacity, powerful output, and super fast recharging capabilities. Plus, it's waterproof and has comprehensive protections. Might be worth considering for your outdoor gear! Happy camping!
I am intrigued by the Milwaukee. I would use it t at home to power my furnace fan during a power outage, using my existing tool batteries. Indoor piwer, no fumes, no noise, nothing theft worries like an outside generator.
The DeWalt and Milwaukee can run power tools with ease while other generators fail completely.
The Milwaukee having pure sine wave while the DeWalt does not makes it more useful to other uses.
👏👏👍 love your head to head's Rob , great in depth review
I have the Ego power station , only because I've been using the lawn equipment and two stage snow blower
I don't think it can be hooked up parallel like the Ryobi
Im heavily invested in the Bosch cordless tools platform
And hopefully they will come out with some kind of power supply like this ,
Im looking for some sort of not too expensive system to be able to charge the Ego batteries while i am using the nexus to power the utilities around the house , so while the batteries being used can be replaced with charged up batteries from some sort of solar charge system 🤷🏼♂️
Thanks for your information and great video Rob ,
Keep up the great work 💪
Dewalt definitely needs to make a new updated one. I believe this one came out close to 10 years ago
Yes they do need to make an updated one 100%. They should make it able to utilize the 60v from the flexvolt battery's so you don't need all 4 batterys at the same time unless you're using only 20v battery's. Would love a 20amp outlet on it as well. I buy it for sure.
The Ryobi doesn’t need to talk to the batteries. But if it can’t it won’t produce max power. So if you use only an original 40v battery that doesn’t talk to the power station you are going to max out just above 400 watts of power. So I always make sure 2 new batteries are installed and then the other 2 can be old batteries.
Because it will take old batteries that means I was able to hack it and give it any 36v to 42v power source. Which is what you get when putting 2 -18v batteries in series. So I’m using a dead 40v battery with the guts taken out and an input wire coming out to connect to the power station. It has worked great so far. Definitely not within warranty specs ;).
A good comprehensive test. As you say hard one to do because they are horses for courses. I still run my petrol generator. Bit noisy. But a fraction of the price. Pure sine wave. Will run power tools and electrical goods. These battery power stations are very impressive but prohibitively expensive. Definitely getting better though.
Another solid solid test guys… thanks for all the hard work… 🙏🙏and more and more I see my commitment to Makita for years and years has been a bad choice… don’t know why they don’t gaf about quality of life… take care out there !! 👊👊
Being without the power cord, or worse completely loosing the power cord, would suck. So on my Ryobi I put a carabiner on the cord bag and I hang that off the end. So I never loose it. Onboard storage would have been nice.
I'm sure your field modification works great. Its pretty clear to me that you're a person that wants to be prepared and recognized where things could go wrong - kudos!!
I also got a dc to dc converter so I can connect my Nissan Leaf EV to the Ryobi. I would probably get 2 weeks keeping my fridge and laptop running. ;)
What’s nice about using battery power stations like this, is it’s easy to swap out batteries if you’ve got an issue.
Currently I have a pecron2000lfp, great solar generator that runs at a 2k continuous, can take 1200w solan input. If it has an issue though, it’s s pain to send it in for maintenance because of the internal batteries. Don’t have that issue here.
just curious how long last the energy if i connect a 6 gallons compressor for a 2 finish nailer and a miter saw as a trim carpenter needs.
Thank you for making this video I been looking at these to make a dission on which one to buy
This was an awesome review! There is one thing that I wish you would have taken into consideration with the Dewalt and Milwaukie though. The fact that all of the batteries for these two power stations can be removed if need be for a period of time and used for virtually their entire lineup of tools handtool/stationary/ as well as lawn maintenance in dewalts case (not sure if Milwaukee has a "gardening line"). Its a game changer in my opinion. If need be just keep a 5th battery handy if someone needs to snag a battery off the station for a few minutes.
Would definitely recommend keeping eye on the ryobi power station on direct tool outlet for "factory blemished." Was able to pickup the station plus bunch of 40v batteries (plus some 40v tools to expand my collection, bonus if they came with a battery) for under the cost of just the power station alone from home depot. Haven't used for emergency power situation but has been super useful for random things where outlet isnt convenient or would have to run a super long extension cord for. The charging time is super slow with the included cable which is fine for my usecase but may want to invest in a rapid 40v charger if you need to swab batteries frequently.
There's also the 18v version now...
@@ZeoCyberG coming out
Thank you, for all your help in making decisions
The oldest and has yet to reveal a new updated unit is Dewalt I have one and been using it for 6 years on a just about daily basis and no problems at all.
I have a bunch of ryobi 40v stuff so I went with the power station. For the little back up power I need it’s been perfect. I’d get another to be able to double power, but like it just fine. If I could start over… I’d actually get into the EcoFlow system. I am really impressed with what I’ve seen of those.
I have the EF Delta Max and it’s great!
I chose the Ryobi because of the warranty of 5 years for consumer use. Plus the warranty is dealt with locally.
So if the power goes out and I plug in my fridge and the Ryobi stops working after 30 minutes I can run to Home Depot and be back with a new unit before my fridge warms up.
For my use this was a huge benefit.
EcoFlow lol it's not practical for Ryobi users who already has 40v batteries from this tools.
Ryobi’s power station battery can not be used in all 40v tools because it is a triple height battery. The 40v lawnmower will only take a double height battery.
Ryobi did this because the triple height battery can output more power. So it can handle max power out with only 2 batteries installed.
Interesting, thanks for sharing
I have two of the larger Milwaukee power packs and found the inverter voltage starts to fluctuate after about 45 mins of constant use. Deliver lots of power, but short runtime. Cutting a 40ft tree and limbing, I went through 1-1/2 batteries. If you leave the batteries attached when in storage they will self drain. Its okay for running power tools, but keep away from sensitive electronics like frig, computers, etc. Definitely not for use as household power back up.
The Dewalt power station was definitely the first to market and am curious which came first, it or USB-C. That is why its probably lacking a lot features.
That Ryobi can be had for under $700 with the 4 6ah batteries if you purchase it from the right online retailer. Ryobi also has 7.5ah batteries available and 12ah batteries if you really need some extended run time.
Did a quick calc on a full 18V (I realize this is the 40V review) system last night with two inter-connected Ryobis, each loaded with 8 12Ah batteries (16 total) and two solar chargers... just under $5,000 USD 😅
7.5ah batteries are so good for this station i have 4 of them
Data point of 2 for Ego… I’ve killed two of their batteries in two years on a lawnmower that lives in a climate controlled garage. Could be bad luck but I’m not investing into the platform any further. As always, Great video and great testing!
Sounds like bad luck. They typically last 5-6 years per battery and even then they will run just with much reduce battery life. After 2 years a little drop in battery life can be expected, but nothing major. Dead battery or no, there isn't a battery powered mower on planet earth that competes with Ego in my experience. Well worth it on that alone, I must say. Have had great success with some of their other tools as well (weed whacker, blower, pole saw so far)
For what it’s worth, I burned up the motor from mowing tree roots, but your comment got me to thinking… I went back and checked the batteries and one of the ones that failed was legit, but the 2nd was an amazon knockoff. I’m still back on gas, but I’m not quite as salty with Ego.
@@jackjmaheriii Honestly I fully expected to go with gas when I bought a new mower this year, but I was annoyed. I owned a Honda mower from home Depot, it wasn't the best model on the shelf but I thought it would get the job done. It has been pure torture maintaining that thing over the mere 6 years that I've owned it. After the first couple years every time I went to fix something another thing would crap out in 2 weeks. By the time I gave up I had new spark plugs, new fuel line and filters, springs, intake filter, gaskets, I even installed a brand spanking new carburetor (because I even after cleaning it over and over again it still gave me trouble). Not to mention the deck was rusted in multiple places. Then to have it fail to start AGAIN... I was done.
And the sad thing is all you hear growing up is how Honda is the best thing since sliced bread you'll get 20 years out of it yadda yadda, and now when I went shopping I learn Honda is getting out of small mowers altogether. So that's what got me thinking, hey let me see how battery mowers are doing. I doubted they could ever stand up to Texas sized weeds. Glad I was willing to risk the money because boy did it pay off, this thing could break in 5 years and I'd honestly probly still buy another one. It just mows like crazy with no noise, no gas refills, no pull chain, and it's super light weight to maneuver. Can't believe it took me this long to switch.
Great review. I have the RYOBI for short term home backup/recreational power. I have found that the RYOBI 40V 5AH batteries retail for $135. You loose a bit of run time but the $/Wh is even better than quoted in the review.
40v 7.5ah better
Quick question. On the Ego system, if you only have 4 batteries and no other source of power, would it be feasible to place the quick charger on one of the outlets to recharge one of the 4 batteries and rotate so to speak to keep batteries from totally depleting before electricity is restored?
Yes I own one
Why no Milwaukee MX Fuel powerstation included?
I'm surprised the Ryobi did that well, super interesting. Can you run a de-hum filter on your audio, that AC/Fan noise really overwhelms when listening...
I'm a black & yellow team and I am sad that dewalt haven't come up with a pure sinewave inverter to operate my tvs, routers and my hardwired cameras in an invent of power outage. Yes I have a gas generator but I don't want to deal with a lot of noise just for 3/4 hrs outage.
Question, can you continually charge EGO batteries with an EGO charger off of the EGO power station, and have constant battery life as you continue to swap out the batteries ?
My Milwaukee runs my vacuum pump and recovery machine fine if I dont want to run 200’ of lead cord. It ran my pellet stove for 4 hours and 20 minutes during an outage. Still on the fence about keeping it. 12.0 batteries were big bucks and I dont really use them for any other tool at work or home.
where is that festool power systainer?
Great video! 😎Interested in reviewing our Energizer PPS2000, a quiet and clean portable power station?
Yes
Email me at rob@concordcarpenter.com
Buyers should take note of the Dewalt not being an inverter type power plant, very important should one use it in a blackout and use it to run a NEWER INVERTER Type fridge.
Yes and yes.
Yeah, I don’t want to run my upstairs fridge off of the dewalt I plan on buying.
DeWalt may not have all the bells and whistles that the other ones have, but bells and whistles break. The simplicity of the DeWalt will make it easy to use because they're not that much to have to deal with.
How does the Ryobi 18 Volt Power station compare to the 40 Volt power station I believe the 18 volt power station is slightly more powerful because it's rated at a true 1800 watts not just for 3 minutes. The 40 Volt model is rated for 1800 watts but for only for 3 minutes, but 1650 continues, the 18 volt model does not have this limitation.
GREAT INFO 👌🏿 I was about to purchase the Dewalt power station due to the multitude of the batteries in other Dewalt tools. However, Ryobi looks to be a better bargain for my purposes so, thanks!
How can dewalt and milwaukee both using 18v 12ah batteries have a different wh rating?
I think it’s because Dewalt label their batteries 20v in the states.
DeWalt is lying
What amp hour batteries did ypu use for each power station? Use the 15ah flexvolt dewalt batteries aNd i bet that thing last alot longer… thats very important information we would need to make a decision to determine if it will fit our run time application
When are they going to add the cables to make it a jump starter too? Everything is there except the cables. Make it happen and then you will have a truly useful tool.
does Ryobi make a 18V unit and if so could you use the conversion parts to run it with Milwaukee batteries? How small a battery will the Milwaukee unit run on could you put in 5s once the 12s ran out or 4s?
Yes. It's basically the same as the 40V(36v) with double the battery ports (18+18=36)
Great job Rob
Hey do you know that you can connect up to 12 batteries at once on the ryobi using the backpacks and really expand the run time.
good work on that test
Lithium ion batteries are neat in a pinch for power stations, but I'd honestly go with lithium iron phosphate battery units for something like this, as they have a significantly longer service life at the cost of being slightly heavier. Also I know there are stations powerful enough to power 6kw welders, so multiple saws would be a breeze. If I were a contractor using corded power tools and needed an actual battery unit, I'd pick up an ecoflow delta as it would run circles around these, it would basically be like having wall power for a jobsite
Frankly I have a large petrol generator that I can run for 11hrs under load and produces more than 4x more power than all of these, its noisy and that sucks but it crushes all of these at being a generator and it cost me less.
By the way this is a really good review.
Battery powered generator stations are not for powering your house after a hurricane, they are for charging batteries/powering peripherals at a work site, providing portable power on a camping trip, providing power outside the home for an afternoon of lawn care, etc. They serve a fundamentally different purpose than petrol generators. They can fill the need of a petrol generator, but its going to depend upon the consumer's willingness to invest in the battery platform for long distance runtime if runtime is the goal. If you're a customer who already spent a lot of money on a certain platform, for example you have an Ego mower (fantastic mowers), trimmer, edger, pole saw, chainsaw, blower etc and racked up a decent arsenal of batteries over the course of using that platform, grabbing a power station for 500 bucks or a power station + 2 additional large batteries for 950$ is pretty darn good bargain and impressive supplement on top of the kit you already have.
good reviews! thanks
Well… where’s it at?!?
I could be wrong but don’t think any of these power stations are available in the UK😢. I currently use Ecoflow.
I have both the Milwaukee and Ryobi since I have many of their batteries and was considering getting the MX version of the Milwaukee since it is on sale now but it makes no financial sense since I would have to get a lot of new batteries. But ultimately these are only good for small indoor use, whereas prolonged and heavy use is demanded only gasoline generators will work.
im an autodetailer and trying to avoid the fumes from gas powered ones. ryobi knowing it’s the best all purpose one, can it sustain me using a 4.5gal air compressor and a steamer?
Not Sure on a compressor, I suppose if it’ll run a tablesaw it should be able to
@@thomasngo320thank you. I was thinking about getting the ryobi but now I feel like the ego is the way to go
I thought Milwaukee had the MX (72VOLT BATTERY) power station too?
I have dewalt platform but would consider ryobi or champion more for outages.
Why not the milwaukee mx power station
We chose this one
Because no one is buying the MX line I heard they're shutting it down
Their regular batteries are ridiculously overpriced enough. The warranty is nice.
Can you compare it to the new 1800 watt Ryobi using 18 volt battery
40v version destroys the 18v version
Ryobi cord is the same as their cheapest model “clip-on” 40v tool battery charger. Also, the ryobi comes with a nylon bag for cord, manual, etc. AND a nylon cover. You should have gotten those with your unit, mine came with them and two 6ah 40v tool batteries.
Good info on cord thanks, yes we got the cover and forgot to mention, thanks
Awesome review!!!
I liked the dog video.
Awesome information!!
Great review, subscribed and liked.
Thx Gary
I love the ryobi version because it's way lighter than the ego
Do any of the brands provide a 240v versions, I think dewalt shouldn’t be included as it’s not a pure sine wave unit.
Sorry by the way a great video
I have the dewalt and the ego ones...they are both great
I have the Dewalt is save my but on home,campsite and job site. I have back wired a house so I have light on or the daytime working and nighttime cameras and lights for security.
I would of like to see how a goal zero yeti 1000 stack up
Should of had the festool one too
It's funny that popular brands such as Milwaukee, DeWalt, and Ryobi have not taken notes from more experienced players in this market such as Bluetti , Ecoflow and Zendure.
If you need power on a job site you also want mc4 hookup for solar panels to be able to last a day, you want pass through charging, batteries that will last 10+ years such as lithium iron phosphate, ability to use as a home backup when not on a jobsite. Ups mode...
The only thing that makes these units desirable is being able to use the batteries in your tools, beyond that they fall short. Surely our big tool players can do better than this.
Thanks for the comparison.
13:26 You will be surprised, but the most sensitive to pure sine are motors, a computer will run without problems (80 to 230V). I managed to run a laptop on ten 12V cheap AGM batteries in series. A laptop will convert AC to DC (170V DC), and supply a MOSFET converter to desired voltage. There is almost no way to inject modified sine into your laptop. I will never run a fridge on a modified sine.
I would never buy a power station that requires all four batteries.I like the EGO
Me too
Enjoy it while it last because that is all in one battery if it dies, then your entire unit is useless. If one of the 4 battery dies you can replace it with a new one and the unit is still good to go.
@A Concord Carpenter I want to see see run an extreme application. Say an inverter welder Like a Miller Multimatic 215 or 220. And like a plasma 375 or 625 from miller. On 15amp these tools drop their rating but I want to see them run it for in a pinch or small remote repair jobs. Of course a regular gas generator or shore power is more ideal. But let’s see if they can power them up for small mig or stick jobs.
I like the fact you can actually use the Milwaukee or dewalt batteries on a regular power tool instead of being specialized 🤷🏻♂️
EGO is the way to go. It is the best power station end of the story, full-stop go get yourself a beer and be happy.
I agree but it cant even handle a table saw, what good is it if it cant do all the jobs? Otherwise i agree with you.
Been thinking about a f150 Powerboost 7200kva. Engine automatically recharges battery. Even can charge a Tesla
Good video but your definitely making the dewalt sound really expensive when overall its typically not. Power station itself is cheaper then milwaukee and also, i know your going off retail prices and not what somebody mite already have, but why would some one pay 319 pee 12ah battery over getting 2 9ah for 349? Either save $578 and have 4 9ah instead of 4 12ah or spend an extra $120 and have 8 9ah instead of 4 12ah and run for longer. If you really want jus 4 highest batteries and your willing to pay 319 for 12s it is also worth considering purchasing 4 15ah instead at 400 a piece although the 9s would still be my suggestion.
Id love to see how long the ego can run a 8k btu air conditioner
Shame that they all don’t support solar charging, being at a remote site, solar is indispensable
Ain’t that the truth.
Actually, I'm 95% sure that Ryobi does
@1ELiMusic The Ryobi power station I got 9 months ago doesn’t let you charge the batteries and use the 120v plugs at the same time. Which means you can’t use the power station while it is connected to solar.
So I charge 1 battery on solar separately from the unit. When that’s full I switch to charging another battery.
Ego has a solar charging accessory
I have the ego solar charging adapter
Went with RYOBI 18V Station ,, 1# Reason is hot swap of Batterys , 2# Has 8 battery slots, 3# you can mix batterys /slash amps , pulls amps even across all batterys , so if add little 2 ah battery , takes 8th of the load off remaining batterys , 4# long as 4 batterys in the unit it will run full watts , 5# app controlled 6# Ryobi 18v is every where so need can get fast and cheap /// also there are every battery adapter made to run on an in ryobi 18v platform , so with adapter can run Milwaukee, Dewalt , Rigid , almost very battery made lol,lol 6# battery app tells charger state of all batterys , individually, 7# Built in light 8# NO BUILTED IN BATTERYS , HATE BUILT IN ,, MY LUCK ONE DIES IN FEW YEARS U GOT PAPER WIEGHT ,
Down side ,, 1# Not Built as Tough as Milwaukee or the Dewalt , 2# No pass through charging 3# Not Wifi , 4# NO STORAGE FOR CORDS 5# Slow on broad charger only 65 watt , charging,
Should of done the festool one
I can tell you that Milwaukee so far i use that able to have the juice to kick start Washer and gas dryer
Ryobi won’t be able to even get the washer even to move
Bluetti AC180 does not have power to get motor going, and overload
Ecoflow Delta 2 does not have the power to kick start washer and gas dryer motor like the Bluetti
but both allows pass through power
4:18 LRA lock rotor amps 700%
Maybe I’m a little biased as I have a couple of tough system boxes, but the fact that the dewalt is compatible with the tough system boxes, means it has a third method for carrying. Not only that, I can get 12ah worth of batteries (even though it’s 3 batteries) for $180 in the dewalt. You’re not getting close to that with a Milwaukee setup. I think that price point is under valued in this video.
Amazon has 2-packs of the DeWalt 9ah Flexvolt batteries for $325 right now which essentially cuts the overall DeWalt cost in half. Overall, the DeWalt is going to appeal most to those who are either already invested in the DeWalt ecosystem, or must run heavy jobsite tools.
I wish they wouldnt put usbs on them. They always use the low wattage ones anyways. Such as 1.4, 2.0, or even 2.4 but never 3.0 which is the fastest for most of the phones we use today. Let us use adapters for the 120 ac which people already have at home anyways. Whatd be nice is having some 12 volt outlets. 1 or even 2 would be nice. People that go camping, rving etc already have some 12 volt stuff im sure theyd like to use.
Shocked Milwaukee wasn't to most $$$$
C'mon Makita. The microwave is cool, but I want to see a power station. Perhaps one that can use both your 18V and 40V batteries?
No, you’ll probably get a toaster or a electric skillet before you get a Power Station, or a cordless framing gun, cordless tablesaw and updated line of Finish guns ect.
Right!!! Or a damn packout …. I’m so invested in Makita it almost makes me sick…. I have zero problem with the tools I have- I love them- used them for 20+ years… but when Ryobi has come this far - convenience and quality of life - that’s what matters now…. And it pains me to say they are staring Makita in the face and smiling…. Take care out there guys
Makita do have a power station in the works. Its really weird and not like these ones in this video.
I alway appreciate your vids. But here, I thought the table saw test was meaningless. These products aren’t meant or purchased for that application.
Dewalt charging station 1,800 - 3,600 was out years before the other station came out on the market. Dewalt was made to run you corded tools and not for electronics
cheese and rice quit picking on the Dewalt! It was out before anybody else had a remote power station for the service industry or construction. my Dewalt power station has provided years of dependable remote power on job sites.
Great review!! Thank you!! I have ryobi batteries & some 18+ tools.
There are so many things wrong with the criteria and features of the units tested and the process of establishing the needs requirements that this video fails on multiple fronts.
Please articulate the multiple fronts