I got the epicenter plus with a fixed 15hz filter. It has no knobs on it just the remote know. I have my subwoofer output from the head unit to the main input (epicenter) and the output to crossover. It is powerful. I set the voltage to 7.5 volts maxed out and it is great. Waving galvanize and stuff.
I was put on to Epicenter in the late 90’s. Always use it on my system and it makes the system sounds 3xs better if you know how to adjust your amp/head unit gains. Also You gotta buy stronger subwoofers with dvc’s. (Dbl voice coils), otherwise it will fry your subwoofers. Great video!
I can't believe I went all these years (since early 90's) without knowing about a device like this. I've always wondered how some songs play a lower bass note on certain songs (mostly older recorded songs). Even on other systems the bass hit lower and just simply sound better, more powerful with the help of this device. So, after extensive research and watching this video numerous times and even watching other videos on the Epicenter, I finally bought and installed this device. I originally bought one a month ago but returned to Amazon, then repurchased another. My local stereo shop didn't recommend it on my memphis Mojo Dual 8in subs. The Memphis manufacturer did state that the box is tuned to 36 hrtz, so I had a idea where to adjust the dials along with the help of this video. So glad I own this device now. Will always use one from now on.
stopped using an Epicenter when i started using a Audiocontrol LC2i then a LC2i Pro (( The one with a bass knob )). The LC2i's work amazing with fixing that bass drop off that factory systems do in their systems.
MBE, exactly! Sometimes you take 10 mins to explain a 5 min topic... I'm the same way, btw. I'm aqqcuiring/using Jensen current series of amps (made by Dual, same company). The mono-channel amp does not have a bass knob but the amps do have an onboard DSP/etc. Instead of using one of my Kicker active crossover units (I can't find a bass knob, boxed away somewhere) I'm going to get the NVX 'bass restoration' unit. IT's much cheaper in price than the AudioControl unit (anyone of you can want the BEST in DSP/Signal Control external modules, buy AudioControl. I have been using AudioControl for @26 or so years. The old L2s and such but I've never owned (have installed for others) an Epicenter. They work, even with aftermarket head units... especially with HU's which have a line out voltage under 4v. If you spend the $ on sound deadening, signal cables (RCAs & wiring), and in proper DSP & signal components, you can spend much less $ on the amps. MBE is the 8" Kicker Q-L7 master builder/installer. Glad that they had him on an UnMasked episode a few months ago. If you want the best out of your system, forget 'traditional' methods of spending the most $ on amplifiers and buy the right subs, build the right box (or buy from MBE and have a strong box that will outlive you, which you can pass down to your offspring), spend the $ in signal cables & deadening road noise/rattles. Buying the most expensive amps at the highest rated power means also upgrading alternators and everything else. Do a Big 3 (actually a Big 4) wiring upgrade and do more economical but EFFECTIVE upgrades and you will literally 'Do More With Less'. Half of your budget should go to those 'intangibles' (the sub box is paramount). Ignore the chat feed... there are A LOT of BAD comments there in terms of advice. Listen to MBE.
I was running the epicenter since the 90s I thought nobody else rock those except me and my partner...it makes high tone hertz bass sound deep...i never understood that restoration explanation..
I'll try to explain it. When the music is played live in the recording studio you have low bass from the instrument. The low, original note is called the fundamental. There are harmonics of that fundamental buried in the signal. Lets say a 40Hz beat. There are faint traces of that at 80, 120, 160, 200, etc. When the engineer is mixing the tracks and producing the album they typically filter out the lower bass so they make the fundamental very weak or non existent. Those upper order, faint harmonics are still buried in the signal. The epicenter analyzes the full range signal and finds those faint harmonics and can recreate that original 40Hz fundamental tone. Then you can control and tweak the amount of the recreation to however you prefer.
I missed the questions, but someone was asking about putting it after a dsp. I'm in this situation. I'm using fiber optic from headunit to dsp so I can't tap into the full range signal. You need to see if you can get a full range signal from the dsp. If you have a full range output, like maybe a rear output your not using, your fine. If you only have a sub output you want to see what the minimum filtering it's capable of. In my case I can cross it over at 220Hz with a 6dB/octave filter. This should be fine for the epicenter to use. If the best it can do is like 120Hz with a 12dB/octave, then it's going to be filtering too much and your not going to give the epicenter enough upper frequencies to work with. Assuming that all works out for you, then you have to use the crossover on the amp. It's usually not as good as the dsp crossover, but it should be good enough. Instead of pushing buttons from the drivers seat, you may have to crawl in back to physically adjust the knob a few times to get the crossover dialed in. Hope that helps someone. 👍
@@kevinrerrie8925 Like I said above, it's best to install it before the dsp, but if you can't (for whatever reason) you have to install it after the dsp. It's harder and less likely to work after the dsp.
@kevinrerrie8925 not according to my installer and a few people from around the way. It goes deck > epicenter > dsp > amp. Now I'm not sure so I'll just go with what my installer says since he is a professional.
I see this question asked a lot on my channel as someone who has two DSPs and an epicenter the The only thing important to get the best results out of the epicenter is to get a fullrange signal up to 1kHz into it anything above that is useless you van even ask a audiocontrol rep and they will also tell you that, the way its usually wired is: headunit, epicenter, DSP, Amp. However, If you have a stock radio and use an LC7i which has Accubass, then you would have it set as follow: stock Headunit to LC7i to Epicenter to DSP to Amp. If you dont have that option because you are using toslink then you would want to do the following: stock Head unit to DSP Running the subwoofer output channels with a fullrange signal of 20Hz to 1kHz to the Epicenter and then to the amp. If it sounds a little weak, you can boost the EQ on the DSP if it has that option to raise the strength of the frequencies that dont sound as strong due to not being able to use the DSP for the sub like a normal set up, you woulf be Using the EQ on the DSP like the Accubass. If it doesn't have an EQ or its limited then From there you can set your amp lowpass filter on and set your frequency range on the amp as you are using the DSP to get a fullrange signal. I had mine set up like that for a while in my flex. It Worked well and had a stronger sound to the bass. Just some friendly advice from a user, i also apologized for getting into this conversation and hope i am not stepping on anyone's feet. 🙇♂️🙏
I had both the Phoenix Bass Cube and Epicenter with 8 sealed 10s… the bass cube boosted the bass I had, the epicenter worked best with tunes that had very little bass sound like it was rebassed. Epicenter for ported/bandpass/6th order could cause damage.
Depends on the port tuning, and if it matches up well. Back in the day people did not tune car audio enclosures very low, because there was very little content in the sub, 30Hz range! In fact most music recordings focused on 40Hz, and up, and mixed out the lower freq. That's why Audio Control set there Pfm from the factory @ 33Hz, it was about 5 to 10Hz below most ported enclosures tuning freq., back in the day. Today's day and age, we have huge, high roll, Mega surround's, with Huge motored, Mega X Max, subwoofer's, with enclosure's tuned in the 20Hz range, playing modded demo track's, that pump out infrasonic, freq., with hurricane force wind's! That's why Audio Control sell's changeable Pfm filter's now for 15Hz, 20Hz, 25Hz, and many more, for around $10 for each, specified freq., chip. The newest Micro Epicenter, come's from the factory, with the Pfm, set lower than the other unit's, @ 20Hz, and has a switch to turn it off, which then bypass, the Pfm, and allows down to 10Hz!
Thank You I have been running sealed since the 90s because i run a epicenter I been scared to go ported because I never heard ported sound right I knew it was deeper then the turning but I never knew what number would be best with it!! I want to do a 4 10” blow through in my trunk…
So i bought one of these and had bad results because of my own ignorance. After learning more about the epicenter I've resolved my issues. Anyhow something that i think that should be said about the epicenter which I haven't heard anyone mention. The epicenter is not a line driver. The output jumpers limit the output voltage to where you have it set. For example. If you have the jumpers at 5 volts but your head unit only puts out 4 volts. You're only going to get 4 volts out the epicenter. If you have it set at 5 volts and your head unit puts out more than 5 volts your only going to get 5 volts. This is why Mb tells you that you can remove or ad an epicenter at any time without adjusting gains. If you put the jumper at 10+ to get the ten volts you're going to need a line driver ahead of the epicenter. I think this was very smart to do audio control. Can you imagine have gains set to a 2 volt signal the putting in an epicenter and it gets bumps up to 5 volts. Bad news
Love you're videos very helpful for someone like me just learning can you please make a video on the Audio Control Matrix plus does it really help boost the power thanks
Turn the bass all the way out the head unit all the bass out the amp and let the epicenter work as a amp clear rumble being using epic center sense 1989 on 4 12s in a deck
You have to change the crossover chip inside to not roll off below 33 hz. I have one and chose to make the chip vs buying it. Instructions are in the back of the manual. Edit: should have watched all the way through. @9:00
I noticed that with epicenter spanish songs sound good . But looses bass on english music . Good thing i have a dsp and save the presets to what im listening to
Im waiting on my pre ordered kicker solo X 12 going in a box built to spec tuned to 31 hz with a kicker CX 1800.1 what would you recommend the epicenter be set too????
So, the Wide and Steep settings only effect the sound when you engage the knob? Because AC suggests that you set you LP filter is all the way to the right.
People don't realize the factory Pfm chip in epicenter is 33 hz. If your tuned around 30 to 33 you need to order a 15, 20, or 25 hz Pfm chip and it will sound clean and not muddy
Why would you think using a subsonic filter would make the sound muddy? I've never heard anyone say that before. All it should be doing is rolling off the output as the frequency gets lower.
@JasonWW2000 if your tuned lower than 33 with factory 33 hz you will keep turning dials to find that sound around your box tuning creating a muddy sound.
@@JasonWW2000 The Audio Control tech guy told me that the indash Epicenter has a built in Pfm, set to 33Hz, and cannot be changed, or bypassed! The tech guy also specified that the bass restoration can be turned off, NOT the Pfm= it CANNOT be bypassed on the indash unit! Then i asked about the Micro Epicenter, and the AC tech guy said the Pfm in this unit is set to 20Hz, and when switched off, it allows down to 10Hz. This model is designed for us, that have Low tuned enclosure's, that love the Low Lowz!
@@JasonWW2000 I know what BangingCamry3721 is trying to say, but it's tech. not the right wording. I have had my subsonic filter set too high before, and my low bass sounded stiffled/restricted/not normal. I know tech. It was just reducing the available power, below a certain freq., but it somehow made it sound off. When i realized that this setting was the reason, i adjusted it properly, and then it was Awesome!
It has a distinctive tone when engaged..its not just low bass tones. I ove people cant tell what im playing..it's not a need it's a want..nothing else does this
Trust me bro, I have a ported box tuned to 34hz with a 12” p3 and a friend of mine told me rock and heavy metal needs the epicenter. I had my doubts. He got me an in dash epicenter and bro it made a night and day difference on rock music. It’s like hearing all my rock tunes for the first time but you gotta run the epicenter after the head unit it needs the full range of frequencies. You can tweak with the frequency and sweep knobs but I have them both turned down. Turn your gain on your sub amplifier all the way down, turn off any bass boost, loudness, etc. prior to installing the epicenter, you can adjust them after if necessary.
@@rogersingh3918 The setting's you think are turned "down"= counter clockwise= 1 is set to narrow Bass boost= only boost's a single freq., like a mountain= not even, and the other 1 is the center freq. @ which you want to boost the Bass= from 27Hz to 63Hz. So if you want a very peaked boost= not rec. for music(used for Spl usually), you would set the wide control to the left= counter clockwise, if you want a broader= flatter Bass Boost,= smoother/blending, then you turn the wide all the way to the right= clockwise= this is NOT a volume Knob. And the sweep knob= the center freq. of the Bass Boosting= turned to the left= counter clockwise= 27Hz= not great for higher tuned enclosure's, or rock music, in the middle= approx. 45Hz= much better for rock music( if you have the other knob all the way right= set to wide= smooth blending/boosting). Then just use the Audio Control's Bass knob to add or reduce Bass Restoration to your preference! If you are happy with the sound, of your current setting's, you will be amazed, when you readjust these to the most optimal setting's. I hope this help's your fine tunning process? Please let me know your result's.
@@evilinside5984 did not make the time to really dial in those knobs. I took your advice and you are absolutely correct, I set the frequency at 40hz and increased the sweep to 250hz. Brings the sub bass and bass notes together and it sounds great on rock and heavy metal. Also tried the frequency at 27hz and width at 250hz on other types of music, my box is tuned to 34hz so I had no issues. Got so many tracks I want to hear with this, guess I’ll bring a pillow and covers in the car now,lol. Thank you @evilinside.
@@marcuslinton310 He might have got accu bass mixed up with the epicenter, but otherwise I didn't hear any false information. Keep in mind he's not reading from a script. He's going off the top of his head so he might use the wrong word or mix up something. You gotta give him a break on that.
@@JasonWW2000 If he is mixing up the two devices, then it's false information about the epicenter, what else could it be? If somebody is going to give a tutorial on a device, it may be wise to first do some research and learn the device thoroughly. Otherwise, what is the point?
@@marcuslinton310 Why are you on his case? Chill. He was answering a persons question so excuse him for not knowing all the details of the LC2i pro and accu bass. I stopped and looked over the users manual to answer the guys question. MB is live. He answered quick. You seem to genuinely not like him, so why do you even watch? I don't get it. Do you like watching him to get all worked up and angry so you can then talk crap in the comments? That's what it seems like. Is life treating you bad? There's more productive ways to vent. You like music, right? Maybe listen to some, get your mood lifted. Good luck. 👍
@@JasonWW2000 No anger here, just making sure people get accurate information. You are free to ignore me all you want just as you suggest I do to MBE. Don't be a hypocrite now. What I find most interesting is I haven't been mean or anything to you, just having a discussion, but unlike your anger claim about me, you seem to be the one getting angry and attacking me on a personal level. Again, consider not being a hypocrite.
That is because the roll off at low frequencies is not as bad as ported or bandpass enclosures. Sealed enclosures use the air trapped in them to limit and control cone movement to a degree. At least until x-max or x-mech is reached. The Epicenter can be used with anything if you know how.
@@JasonWW2000 Oh, but it matter's greatly how your enclosure, integrate's/matches with the capability's of the Epicenter. That is why many people have had bad experience's, with such a well engineered product, such as the Epicenter. I have seen, and heard many frustrated owner's, much more than happy/great result's. All from miss leading advertisement, and misunderstanding of how these Epicenter's work= Loss of Low freq. output, and Blown equipment!
i still havent installed mine i will soon hopefully it makes a diffrence going with 25hz chip for it and my fosgate amp runs with the 28hz subsonic u think it will be good?
Sounds good to me. You can use the Rockford subsonic filter or bypass it and use just the epicenter filter. Basically what it means is the Epicenter 25Hz filter frequency response will start to drop just before 25Hz and be 3dB down at 25Hz. They use a pretty steep filter. So you'll be tuned to 33Hz (the cone will be moving a small amount) and output is high. As you go down in frequency, around 25Hz, the cone excursion will start to increase a lot. At 20Hz it would normally move so much you could get overexcursion or damage the sub. The subsonic/infrasonic filter should limit that excursion and protect your woofer. So it sounds fine. Clicking on the Rockford filter might reduce excursion even more. So you sound good to go. 👍
You can order custom Pfm chip's= subsonic filter's from Audio Control, for about $10 per specified freq. Most Epicenter's come from Audio Control with a 33Hz Pfm= they start cutting bass output off @ 33Hz! The indash Epicenter unit is the only fixed Pfm @ 33Hz= cannot be changed, or bypassed! The Micro Epicenter with the Pfm switch set to on= 20Hz, and with the switch set to off= 10Hz! Plus the Micro Epicenter is the only unit that comes with the Dual volume Bass Knob= inner Knob controls total Bass volume, and the outer Knob controls how much, or little of Bass Restoration you want to add= AWESOME!
thats not the first epicenter they had the phase couple 1 and and a 2 before the one you have now is the 3 one the concert series i had every one almost and the oldskool eql and i got the three .1
No. It's always a matter of do you WANT an epicenter. The accu bass should allow the bass to get loud as the volume is turned up. So it fixes the factory bass volume limit. Now if you want to restore those very low frequencies that were removed from recordings, thats up to you. Epicenter and accu bass are two very different things.
Wasnt made for rap music at all.. actually hurting the signal.. or so u can understanding causing distortion which will lead to amplification overheating and subwoofer failure… rap music already has what the device is giving u when its recorded… soooo of u listen to rap it’s useless lol
@@fd1596 Absolutely not, comparing it to rebassed music is absolutely incorrect. Rebassed music is a process of removing all the bass frequencies, tinkering with them in all kinds of different ways and then putting them back in. I would suggest looking it up if you want a full explanation. The epicenter basically takes a higher frequency from the incoming content, drops it 1 octave and adds it to the content and sends it out. It's not modifying all the existing bass frequencies, doesn't change them at all. It is simply trying to recreate what it calculates to be missing.
@Marcus Linton You're not explaining anything to me, that I don't know already. I was putting it in layman's terms so someone else can understand what it sounds like. I know I've been using the Epicenter since the late 90's so gtfoh with that bs.
Epicenter does miracles for corridos cumbias aka mexican music
IMMA GET ONE FOR ALL THE CLASSIC ROCK AND MEXICAN MUZIX
Nothing but the best “The OG Epicenter” a must have in a lot of songs that don’t have bass this epicenter makes miracles 👍🏻
That's not the OG epicenter. 2nd edition the original has no tuning knobs but hits harder
I got the epicenter plus with a fixed 15hz filter. It has no knobs on it just the remote know. I have my subwoofer output from the head unit to the main input (epicenter) and the output to crossover. It is powerful. I set the voltage to 7.5 volts maxed out and it is great. Waving galvanize and stuff.
I was put on to Epicenter in the late 90’s. Always use it on my system and it makes the system sounds 3xs better if you know how to adjust your amp/head unit gains. Also You gotta buy stronger subwoofers with dvc’s. (Dbl voice coils), otherwise it will fry your subwoofers. Great video!
Big D Wiz of Williston Audio Labs shouted you out for Solo X boxes on his video regarding boxes for the Solo X
Yeah that was big too me
I got that epic center. All I have is good results from it! And it pounds ! And I’m using a20 hz Pfm and 7.5 volts.
I can't believe I went all these years (since early 90's) without knowing about a device like this. I've always wondered how some songs play a lower bass note on certain songs (mostly older recorded songs). Even on other systems the bass hit lower and just simply sound better, more powerful with the help of this device. So, after extensive research and watching this video numerous times and even watching other videos on the Epicenter, I finally bought and installed this device. I originally bought one a month ago but returned to Amazon, then repurchased another. My local stereo shop didn't recommend it on my memphis Mojo Dual 8in subs. The Memphis manufacturer did state that the box is tuned to 36 hrtz, so I had a idea where to adjust the dials along with the help of this video. So glad I own this device now. Will always use one from now on.
stopped using an Epicenter when i started using a Audiocontrol LC2i then a LC2i Pro (( The one with a bass knob )). The LC2i's work amazing with fixing that bass drop off that factory systems do in their systems.
Don't do the same thing. At all, it's a tone that it gives off.not just low bass
MBE, exactly! Sometimes you take 10 mins to explain a 5 min topic... I'm the same way, btw. I'm aqqcuiring/using Jensen current series of amps (made by Dual, same company). The mono-channel amp does not have a bass knob but the amps do have an onboard DSP/etc. Instead of using one of my Kicker active crossover units (I can't find a bass knob, boxed away somewhere) I'm going to get the NVX 'bass restoration' unit. IT's much cheaper in price than the AudioControl unit (anyone of you can want the BEST in DSP/Signal Control external modules, buy AudioControl. I have been using AudioControl for @26 or so years. The old L2s and such but I've never owned (have installed for others) an Epicenter. They work, even with aftermarket head units... especially with HU's which have a line out voltage under 4v. If you spend the $ on sound deadening, signal cables (RCAs & wiring), and in proper DSP & signal components, you can spend much less $ on the amps. MBE is the 8" Kicker Q-L7 master builder/installer. Glad that they had him on an UnMasked episode a few months ago. If you want the best out of your system, forget 'traditional' methods of spending the most $ on amplifiers and buy the right subs, build the right box (or buy from MBE and have a strong box that will outlive you, which you can pass down to your offspring), spend the $ in signal cables & deadening road noise/rattles. Buying the most expensive amps at the highest rated power means also upgrading alternators and everything else. Do a Big 3 (actually a Big 4) wiring upgrade and do more economical but EFFECTIVE upgrades and you will literally 'Do More With Less'. Half of your budget should go to those 'intangibles' (the sub box is paramount). Ignore the chat feed... there are A LOT of BAD comments there in terms of advice. Listen to MBE.
I was running the epicenter since the 90s I thought nobody else rock those except me and my partner...it makes high tone hertz bass sound deep...i never understood that restoration explanation..
I'll try to explain it. When the music is played live in the recording studio you have low bass from the instrument. The low, original note is called the fundamental. There are harmonics of that fundamental buried in the signal. Lets say a 40Hz beat. There are faint traces of that at 80, 120, 160, 200, etc.
When the engineer is mixing the tracks and producing the album they typically filter out the lower bass so they make the fundamental very weak or non existent. Those upper order, faint harmonics are still buried in the signal. The epicenter analyzes the full range signal and finds those faint harmonics and can recreate that original 40Hz fundamental tone. Then you can control and tweak the amount of the recreation to however you prefer.
@@JasonWW2000 ok i got ya now
I missed the questions, but someone was asking about putting it after a dsp. I'm in this situation. I'm using fiber optic from headunit to dsp so I can't tap into the full range signal. You need to see if you can get a full range signal from the dsp. If you have a full range output, like maybe a rear output your not using, your fine. If you only have a sub output you want to see what the minimum filtering it's capable of. In my case I can cross it over at 220Hz with a 6dB/octave filter. This should be fine for the epicenter to use. If the best it can do is like 120Hz with a 12dB/octave, then it's going to be filtering too much and your not going to give the epicenter enough upper frequencies to work with.
Assuming that all works out for you, then you have to use the crossover on the amp. It's usually not as good as the dsp crossover, but it should be good enough. Instead of pushing buttons from the drivers seat, you may have to crawl in back to physically adjust the knob a few times to get the crossover dialed in. Hope that helps someone. 👍
epicenter goes after the dsp and before the sub amp
@@kevinrerrie8925 Like I said above, it's best to install it before the dsp, but if you can't (for whatever reason) you have to install it after the dsp. It's harder and less likely to work after the dsp.
Works off the range you feed it, best with full range in
@kevinrerrie8925 not according to my installer and a few people from around the way. It goes deck > epicenter > dsp > amp. Now I'm not sure so I'll just go with what my installer says since he is a professional.
I see this question asked a lot on my channel as someone who has two DSPs and an epicenter the The only thing important to get the best results out of the epicenter is to get a fullrange signal up to 1kHz into it anything above that is useless you van even ask a audiocontrol rep and they will also tell you that, the way its usually wired is: headunit, epicenter, DSP, Amp.
However, If you have a stock radio and use an LC7i which has Accubass, then you would have it set as follow: stock Headunit to LC7i to Epicenter to DSP to Amp.
If you dont have that option because you are using toslink then you would want to do the following: stock Head unit to DSP Running the subwoofer output channels with a fullrange signal of 20Hz to 1kHz to the Epicenter and then to the amp. If it sounds a little weak, you can boost the EQ on the DSP if it has that option to raise the strength of the frequencies that dont sound as strong due to not being able to use the DSP for the sub like a normal set up, you woulf be Using the EQ on the DSP like the Accubass. If it doesn't have an EQ or its limited then From there you can set your amp lowpass filter on and set your frequency range on the amp as you are using the DSP to get a fullrange signal. I had mine set up like that for a while in my flex. It Worked well and had a stronger sound to the bass. Just some friendly advice from a user, i also apologized for getting into this conversation and hope i am not stepping on anyone's feet. 🙇♂️🙏
I been using it for 30 plus years beast of a unit
I had both the Phoenix Bass Cube and Epicenter with 8 sealed 10s… the bass cube boosted the bass I had, the epicenter worked best with tunes that had very little bass sound like it was rebassed. Epicenter for ported/bandpass/6th order could cause damage.
Depends on the port tuning, and if it matches up well. Back in the day people did not tune car audio enclosures very low, because there was very little content in the sub, 30Hz range! In fact most music recordings focused on 40Hz, and up, and mixed out the lower freq. That's why Audio Control set there Pfm from the factory @ 33Hz, it was about 5 to 10Hz below most ported enclosures tuning freq., back in the day. Today's day and age, we have huge, high roll, Mega surround's, with Huge motored, Mega X Max, subwoofer's, with enclosure's tuned in the 20Hz range, playing modded demo track's, that pump out infrasonic, freq., with hurricane force wind's! That's why Audio Control sell's changeable Pfm filter's now for 15Hz, 20Hz, 25Hz, and many more, for around $10 for each, specified freq., chip. The newest Micro Epicenter, come's from the factory, with the Pfm, set lower than the other unit's, @ 20Hz, and has a switch to turn it off, which then bypass, the Pfm, and allows down to 10Hz!
I love mine have been using the epicenter for over a decade and always had good results watch your gain on the amp
The epicenter micro is great line driver loc and epicenter. And its smaller then the lc2i pro
Thank You I have been running sealed since the 90s because i run a epicenter I been scared to go ported because I never heard ported sound right I knew it was deeper then the turning but I never knew what number would be best with it!! I want to do a 4 10” blow through in my trunk…
So i bought one of these and had bad results because of my own ignorance. After learning more about the epicenter I've resolved my issues. Anyhow something that i think that should be said about the epicenter which I haven't heard anyone mention. The epicenter is not a line driver. The output jumpers limit the output voltage to where you have it set. For example. If you have the jumpers at 5 volts but your head unit only puts out 4 volts. You're only going to get 4 volts out the epicenter. If you have it set at 5 volts and your head unit puts out more than 5 volts your only going to get 5 volts. This is why Mb tells you that you can remove or ad an epicenter at any time without adjusting gains. If you put the jumper at 10+ to get the ten volts you're going to need a line driver ahead of the epicenter. I think this was very smart to do audio control. Can you imagine have gains set to a 2 volt signal the putting in an epicenter and it gets bumps up to 5 volts. Bad news
Thanks for this info man! Looking forward to the second video of the internals for sure!
Works great with Mexican Music.
Love you're videos very helpful for someone like me just learning can you please make a video on the Audio Control Matrix plus does it really help boost the power thanks
Turn the bass all the way out the head unit all the bass out the amp and let the epicenter work as a amp clear rumble being using epic center sense 1989 on 4 12s in a deck
Had one decade ago got a new micro. Much better. Now I stop looking for music I really don’t like with bass. Add bass to music I love
Good morning and thank you for this one.Md❤
You have to change the crossover chip inside to not roll off below 33 hz. I have one and chose to make the chip vs buying it. Instructions are in the back of the manual.
Edit: should have watched all the way through. @9:00
I noticed that with epicenter spanish songs sound good . But looses bass on english music . Good thing i have a dsp and save the presets to what im listening to
hmmm, I'm gonna run one in my home theatre, I have all dyi subs powered by crown xls amps
So does it come with a knob to adjust it when you need to or do you have to go to the device and adjust when you switch to a different style of music?
Im waiting on my pre ordered kicker solo X 12 going in a box built to spec tuned to 31 hz with a kicker CX 1800.1 what would you recommend the epicenter be set too????
I use this for reggae and country bob Marley shake the shit out my car
The speaker tearer upper
So, the Wide and Steep settings only effect the sound when you engage the knob? Because AC suggests that you set you LP filter is all the way to the right.
Most people donnot configure an epicenter properly and end up causing danage to subwoofers
People don't realize the factory Pfm chip in epicenter is 33 hz. If your tuned around 30 to 33 you need to order a 15, 20, or 25 hz Pfm chip and it will sound clean and not muddy
On most models it's 33hz. On the Micro it's 20Hz and defeatable.
Why would you think using a subsonic filter would make the sound muddy?
I've never heard anyone say that before. All it should be doing is rolling off the output as the frequency gets lower.
@JasonWW2000 if your tuned lower than 33 with factory 33 hz you will keep turning dials to find that sound around your box tuning creating a muddy sound.
@@JasonWW2000 The Audio Control tech guy told me that the indash Epicenter has a built in Pfm, set to 33Hz, and cannot be changed, or bypassed! The tech guy also specified that the bass restoration can be turned off, NOT the Pfm= it CANNOT be bypassed on the indash unit! Then i asked about the Micro Epicenter, and the AC tech guy said the Pfm in this unit is set to 20Hz, and when switched off, it allows down to 10Hz. This model is designed for us, that have Low tuned enclosure's, that love the Low Lowz!
@@JasonWW2000 I know what BangingCamry3721 is trying to say, but it's tech. not the right wording. I have had my subsonic filter set too high before, and my low bass sounded stiffled/restricted/not normal. I know tech. It was just reducing the available power, below a certain freq., but it somehow made it sound off. When i realized that this setting was the reason, i adjusted it properly, and then it was Awesome!
I like the old knob the pull out not the new knob just twist new bucks wouldn't know nothing about it
Great info
I had a white one in 97
I gotta white 1 now 🔊
It has a distinctive tone when engaged..its not just low bass tones. I ove people cant tell what im playing..it's not a need it's a want..nothing else does this
All the Digital PLANET ROCK TYPE MUSIC from the 80s is wher it will shine ive got to get one i cant enjoy my old school songs
Good day. What's your thoughts on using the epiccenter with rap music ? Lot of people are saying it's a no-no
If your box is tuned to 33 hz with a epicenter can you still play rock music and feel the bass at 60+hz?
Trust me bro, I have a ported box tuned to 34hz with a 12” p3 and a friend of mine told me rock and heavy metal needs the epicenter. I had my doubts. He got me an in dash epicenter and bro it made a night and day difference on rock music. It’s like hearing all my rock tunes for the first time but you gotta run the epicenter after the head unit it needs the full range of frequencies. You can tweak with the frequency and sweep knobs but I have them both turned down. Turn your gain on your sub amplifier all the way down, turn off any bass boost, loudness, etc. prior to installing the epicenter, you can adjust them after if necessary.
@@rogersingh3918 The setting's you think are turned "down"= counter clockwise= 1 is set to narrow Bass boost= only boost's a single freq., like a mountain= not even, and the other 1 is the center freq. @ which you want to boost the Bass= from 27Hz to 63Hz. So if you want a very peaked boost= not rec. for music(used for Spl usually), you would set the wide control to the left= counter clockwise, if you want a broader= flatter Bass Boost,= smoother/blending, then you turn the wide all the way to the right= clockwise= this is NOT a volume Knob. And the sweep knob= the center freq. of the Bass Boosting= turned to the left= counter clockwise= 27Hz= not great for higher tuned enclosure's, or rock music, in the middle= approx. 45Hz= much better for rock music( if you have the other knob all the way right= set to wide= smooth blending/boosting). Then just use the Audio Control's Bass knob to add or reduce Bass Restoration to your preference! If you are happy with the sound, of your current setting's, you will be amazed, when you readjust these to the most optimal setting's. I hope this help's your fine tunning process? Please let me know your result's.
@@evilinside5984 did not make the time to really dial in those knobs. I took your advice and you are absolutely correct, I set the frequency at 40hz and increased the sweep to 250hz. Brings the sub bass and bass notes together and it sounds great on rock and heavy metal. Also tried the frequency at 27hz and width at 250hz on other types of music, my box is tuned to 34hz so I had no issues. Got so many tracks I want to hear with this, guess I’ll bring a pillow and covers in the car now,lol. Thank you @evilinside.
@@rogersingh3918 Awesome, glad to hear it!
For some reason I always get loose muddy sound from these epicenters.
Interesting. Have you tried them on different systems? You feed them a good wide range signal? Do you listen to music that is lacking low bass?
If I have the audio control Dm-810 do you recommend getting this piece?
The school of MBE.
Teaching more false information.
@@marcuslinton310 He might have got accu bass mixed up with the epicenter, but otherwise I didn't hear any false information.
Keep in mind he's not reading from a script. He's going off the top of his head so he might use the wrong word or mix up something. You gotta give him a break on that.
@@JasonWW2000 If he is mixing up the two devices, then it's false information about the epicenter, what else could it be? If somebody is going to give a tutorial on a device, it may be wise to first do some research and learn the device thoroughly. Otherwise, what is the point?
@@marcuslinton310 Why are you on his case? Chill.
He was answering a persons question so excuse him for not knowing all the details of the LC2i pro and accu bass. I stopped and looked over the users manual to answer the guys question. MB is live. He answered quick.
You seem to genuinely not like him, so why do you even watch? I don't get it. Do you like watching him to get all worked up and angry so you can then talk crap in the comments? That's what it seems like. Is life treating you bad? There's more productive ways to vent. You like music, right? Maybe listen to some, get your mood lifted. Good luck. 👍
@@JasonWW2000 No anger here, just making sure people get accurate information. You are free to ignore me all you want just as you suggest I do to MBE. Don't be a hypocrite now. What I find most interesting is I haven't been mean or anything to you, just having a discussion, but unlike your anger claim about me, you seem to be the one getting angry and attacking me on a personal level. Again, consider not being a hypocrite.
Do you remember the phoenix gold bass cube
I only had good results with high powered multiple, sealed enclosures.
That is because the roll off at low frequencies is not as bad as ported or bandpass enclosures. Sealed enclosures use the air trapped in them to limit and control cone movement to a degree. At least until x-max or x-mech is reached. The Epicenter can be used with anything if you know how.
Can the epicenter be used on sealed enclosures?
Yes it can
It is a signal processor, so it doesn't matter what box you use.
@@JasonWW2000 Oh, but it matter's greatly how your enclosure, integrate's/matches with the capability's of the Epicenter. That is why many people have had bad experience's, with such a well engineered product, such as the Epicenter. I have seen, and heard many frustrated owner's, much more than happy/great result's. All from miss leading advertisement, and misunderstanding of how these Epicenter's work= Loss of Low freq. output, and Blown equipment!
MBE would you recommend using one with the dd606?
Depends on box
i still havent installed mine i will soon hopefully it makes a diffrence going with 25hz chip for it and my fosgate amp runs with the 28hz subsonic u think it will be good?
enclosure tuned to 33hz running a single 12 qL7 on a t1000bdcp
stock alt 220amp x2power agm
Sounds good to me. You can use the Rockford subsonic filter or bypass it and use just the epicenter filter. Basically what it means is the Epicenter 25Hz filter frequency response will start to drop just before 25Hz and be 3dB down at 25Hz. They use a pretty steep filter.
So you'll be tuned to 33Hz (the cone will be moving a small amount) and output is high. As you go down in frequency, around 25Hz, the cone excursion will start to increase a lot. At 20Hz it would normally move so much you could get overexcursion or damage the sub. The subsonic/infrasonic filter should limit that excursion and protect your woofer.
So it sounds fine. Clicking on the Rockford filter might reduce excursion even more. So you sound good to go. 👍
What about messing with the insides of it?
I've seen people opening them and saying that can get you more bass
You can order custom Pfm chip's= subsonic filter's from Audio Control, for about $10 per specified freq. Most Epicenter's come from Audio Control with a 33Hz Pfm= they start cutting bass output off @ 33Hz! The indash Epicenter unit is the only fixed Pfm @ 33Hz= cannot be changed, or bypassed! The Micro Epicenter with the Pfm switch set to on= 20Hz, and with the switch set to off= 10Hz! Plus the Micro Epicenter is the only unit that comes with the Dual volume Bass Knob= inner Knob controls total Bass volume, and the outer Knob controls how much, or little of Bass Restoration you want to add= AWESOME!
Thanks for the info 👍
That’s why you download music that has been recorded with epicenter 🤷🏽♂️ problems solved
Hey so i have a single 12" sub in a custom box tuned at 35hz where best to set my sweep an my wide?
The typical starting point is both knobs straight up, in the middle. From there you can tweak a little and see the effect it has.
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thats not the first epicenter they had the phase couple 1 and and a 2 before the one you have now is the 3 one the concert series i had every one almost and the oldskool eql and i got the three .1
If I have an audio control amp with accubass do I need an epicenter?
No. It's always a matter of do you WANT an epicenter. The accu bass should allow the bass to get loud as the volume is turned up. So it fixes the factory bass volume limit.
Now if you want to restore those very low frequencies that were removed from recordings, thats up to you. Epicenter and accu bass are two very different things.
How many epicenters does one need?
As long as I’m buying them with my money you should be cool…right?!
Post up your numbers on the dash.
He actually did that on the videos of him driving. This video is in the shop talking about a processor.
Wasnt made for rap music at all.. actually hurting the signal.. or so u can understanding causing distortion which will lead to amplification overheating and subwoofer failure… rap music already has what the device is giving u when its recorded… soooo of u listen to rap it’s useless lol
This one was all over the place I didn't get nothing out of this vid.
It restores the low bass in your music. If you've ever listened to "rebassed" music, this thing does that for you.
@@fd1596 ok thanks now thats easy to understand..
@@fd1596 Absolutely not, comparing it to rebassed music is absolutely incorrect. Rebassed music is a process of removing all the bass frequencies, tinkering with them in all kinds of different ways and then putting them back in. I would suggest looking it up if you want a full explanation.
The epicenter basically takes a higher frequency from the incoming content, drops it 1 octave and adds it to the content and sends it out. It's not modifying all the existing bass frequencies, doesn't change them at all. It is simply trying to recreate what it calculates to be missing.
@Marcus Linton You're not explaining anything to me, that I don't know already. I was putting it in layman's terms so someone else can understand what it sounds like. I know I've been using the Epicenter since the late 90's so gtfoh with that bs.
@@fd1596 Not my fault you explained it wrong. I understood your intent, but rebassed simply isn't accurate sound wise.
I been waitingggggggg for this one. 🥹