After tinkering with this thing: 30hz 40hz 50hz 60hz are boosted depending on your width and sweep. I’ve got mines at 10:00 on the width and 12:00 on the sweep. It’s in between the unit and the bass amplifier. Amp is set to 0db bass boost (off) subsonic at 25hz, variable x-over set at 65hz. Head unit crossover for the sub is set to off (full range at 250hz) after adjusting the width and sweep I’m boosting roughly 30hz to 60hz with the epicenter. I built a custom box ported and tuned to 32hz and I LOVE IT!!!! EVERY song I play WILL produce notes in that range. I get to hear bass through out the song instead of just musical peaks and it just cruises in the low notes. The bass production is smooth, full and deep. If you played rebassed songs on RUclips and thought that was good, this is even better. Lol
[I just viewed and commented on part 1 a few mins ago] YES!!! MBE does it again, @06:00 mark, how to PROPERLY TUNE an Epicenter for an SQ system or daily driver system (if you're doing SPL builds for competitions or show vehicles, everything is different/unique to each system & vehicle, of course). A vented/ported enclosure is already tuned to a specific frequency... you bass restoration components and/or 'bass boost' (which is just an additional gain at a specific frequency [sweep] w/ roll-off [wide]). You are already getting a low frequency boost at the enclosure's tuning frequency... the Epicenter/bass restoration component is there to boost, enhance, replacethe OTHER low frequencies that are 'lost' or muted in the system (pretty much at or below 180Hz with most devices). MBE is the ONLY content creator I have personally viewed who explains this so well. The Epicenter is to COMPLIMENT the low end (sub range) in addition to the well-built, properly tuned, sub box. An Epicenter (or other such device) can also make a sealed sub enclosure sound like a vented/ported enclosure at certain low-end frequency ranges. Personally, I'm a BIG SQ guy and utilizing a 'bass restoration' device (I'm going to use the current NVX one, @$89.99USD currently) I can have tight, accurate bass for when I listen to my jazz, vocal, EDM, pop, etc... and when I decide to run my bass mix music (Bass Boy, Techmaster P.E.B, D.J. Laz, etc... REAL bass MUSIC, not the stuff they call music now which is for bass but it is not 'music'.) I can turn up the knob for that looser, "panty dropping" bass. Transducers (bass shakers) are another way for younger fellas to add more bass feel for much less $$$. Remember that for every watt you want, you have to consider the electrical system upgrade cost. Hence, again, the Q Class Kicker 8" subs and a bass restoration device, top quality SIGNAL CABLES and sound deadening. From a former Solo X 18"/MA Audio 4k watt amp owner and proficient installer... I know what I'm talking about and love the input for new(er) installers that MBE provides. For SQ & daily drivers, less is more. If your goal is to piss off the neighbors, car audio is not for you. How it sounds to you, driving, and how the system pleases you... that should be the goal. No one is impressed by a loud sub with a rattling trunk. Take care of the details, INSTALL A BASS RESTORATION/ENHANCING DEVICE, tune it properly, and you will have a better system than to try and install a 2k watt amp into a factory electrical system. the RIGHT enclosure for your sub(s) and vehicle are uber critical also. The things which differentiate a luxury vehicle from an economy vehicle are: the factory warranty, the smooth/quiet ride, and the "solid" feel of the vehicle. Sound deadening/insulating covers almost ALL of these aspects. Final thought: Stop putting car audio company decals on your vehicle unless you are sponsored or it is a show vehicle. You are asking to be jacked/looted and no one is impressed with your shite anyway. Remember that the best doesn't brag that they're the best... you're the best when others brag about you when you aren't there.
My trunk rattles, I don’t hear it, budget build, can’t afford sound deadeners, most importantly, I’m not trying to impress you or anyone else. My sound is for me, if for some reason it offends someone, if that’s your biggest problem, you have it better than 99.9% of the population
I ran across this video and I want to say thanks.. listening to you help me adjust mine and now I’m getting the bass I wanted from any music I play it sounds good..
Awesome video, so if we have a MB enclosure thats tuned to 33hz i should be able to set the epicenter sweep at or around 38-42hz and the wide around 10 or 11 and be good to go?🤔 should i get a lower pfm chip or the 33hz stock chip will be fine.
How would you set this for e sealed box? What spec on the subs am I looking for to help set my system. Naturally using a sealed box my lower notes are not as pronounced. But I would like to keep a flatter response
Hey MB can you do a set up with that like Low pass filter from the head unit , to the amp LP filter with the epicenter I been trying to figure out how to set it all up with the epicenter and box tuning
The easiest way to explain what an epicenter does to me anyways is. When you set the sweep/target frequency let's say to 40 hz. The epicenter looks for harmonics from Missing 40 hertz notes at multiple octaves above 40 and uses the harmonics found to restore the missing 40 hertz note. The wide control restores all the missing notes above and below the target frequency depending on where you have it set. With that said and this is just a thought. Wouldn't you want the wide setting to dip down to your tuning frequency? If you're tuned to 33 and the 33 hertz notes have been turned down or removed during mixing of the song Wouldn't you want to restore those too?
But the stock Epicenter PFM module was 33hz from the factory so if like you said you goal was to increase a high response flat curve why did you even change it as you set your epicenter in the 40s hz??
Can u explain how to use the lc2i? Im thinking of use one in my brothers 2016 honda hrv. He has a very cheap highinput amp hooked up to an old pyle pounder i gave him in a 3cubic foot box sealed. It doesnt hit low. I think his stock head unit is cutting bass to the 6.5 rear door dpeakers where he tapped into for his hilevel input
Yes. You could say sealed get's the most benefit from an Epicenter, as they have smoother=less steep of a drop off, and don't fully unload, because of tuning.
My epicenter suddenly stopped working, the highs went away, then the bass intermittent, while the lights are flashing. Have you any thoughts on what went wrong? Defective IC?
I need to see how the classic epicenter works in comparison to the micro. I have the micro but i don't want to fiddle with things more than i have to. Classic seems like it does everything automatically and you just control volume. Micro, i leave the effects knob at half and just control volume. It's nice to have control of the effect but just adds something else to worry about. Good and bad to both options depending on how you look at it. I think I like the simplistic approach but i haven't had a classic, so I don't know the actual difference in real world use.
Then if you were to get an Epicenter i would suggest the Micro, because it has a Pfm= subsonic filter(when switched to on= 20Hz), and when switched to off= 10Hz! Plus this unit is the only Audio Control unit with Acr-4= 20Ft. Dual Control Bass Knob!
You can set it wherever you want. Your vehicle with have a natural peak frequency so you won't need help in that area. For instance, a big SUV might be peaking at about 44Hz (my Navigator does) so I don't need any extra output there. I would probably set the epicenter around 30-38Hz to help smooth the response. It might be "fairly" smooth from 30 to 50. If you have a smaller vehicle that peaks around 55Hz. You might want to have the epicenter fill in from 36 to 44hz. Something along those lines. I haven't used an epicenter, but I plan to get one. I think ultimately you'll need to experiment and see where you prefer it. There's no set in stone adjustments. Let your ear be your guide.
For smoothest= most musical, set the wide all the way to the right= clockwise, and the sweep is your preference, all they way left= counterclock wise= 27Hz center freq., and if sweep is set to wide max.,= will boost 17Hz to 37Hz, and if you set the sweep to the middle= 45Hz center freq.(= the exact center of 27Hz and 63Hz), and if the sweep is set to wide max.,= will boost 35Hz to 55Hz, and if you set the sweep all the way to the right= clockwise= 63Hz center freq., and if sweep is set to wide max.,= will boost 53Hz to 73Hz. Hope this help's?
@@evilinside5984 @JasonWW2000 .... thanks. I've actually had the wide all the way right and sweep all the way for as far back as I remember. Question. I'm just learning about the pfm filter. Factory its 33hz.. I have 2 sundown sd3 10s. The spec sheet says the resonance frequency is 25hz. Should I switch the pfm to 20hz or 15hz?
@@thadiesel7655 What Model of Epicenter do you have? Depends on the power you are giving your subwoofer's, and if you have a clip light, or easy on your system? But given your enclosure is sealed, and those woofer's play low 20s very well, you would notice a big improvement with a 20Hz Pfm, vs a 33Hz Pfm. I would not rec. a 15Hz Pfm, in your setup, even not knowing your power.
@@thadiesel7655 The pfm is most useful with ported boxes because the excursion increases a lot as you go below the tuned frequency. With a sealed box it my or may not be needed. You can switch the filter to a lower frequency and the subs will play lower. They will also move more and possibly use more power. If the subs can handle that, its fine. Sometimes that can't handle it. So it just depends.
I’ve used the wavtech one both audicontrol I love them all the wavtech has a adjustable pfm that you can mess with in the fly and the dual noobs are really nice. You can’t go wrong with any above products
Man, that costs about the same as the Epicenter. Most are cheap knock offs. I'm liking this unit. It looks like its directly competing with the Micro, but is $50 less. It even has a dual knob remote. The adjustable PFM, gain control and clip light seems to be added features.
@@JasonWW2000 The Micro Epicenter has a Dual Bass Knob, a 25Hz pfm, or 10Hz if turned off. The Dual Knob control's total Bass volume with 1 Knob, and the amount of Bass Restoration with the other Knob.
So using the epicenter to return bass at higher hertz, would that also make the amp more efficient at higher frequencies? My hi pass is around 50 hertz. Slowly sinkn in
The epicenter is basically just slowing down a specific frequency or range in half and sending that signal out to the amp. It’s just changing your target frequency down in half
No, it's not really looking at the upper frequencies. It's a bit complicated. It's analyzing the music signal and looking for upper frequency harmonics of a lower frequency signal that used to be there, but was filtered down or removed. These harmonics are not heard, they are buried in the signal. The music may originally had a beat at 40hz, but it got filtered out and there is no beat at 80Hz, but the hidden signal (the harmonics) are still there.
Yeah you can get low with the epic. Lol but I can get just as low and cleaner with sealed and crossovers. I appreciate you actually being honest about using it correctly.... but honestly I can get the same effect cheaper and cleaner without it. For those wanting to use this device seriously it's only worth it if you use the miro version and do factory head unit integration. Otherwise that Money can be spent on other things that will do far more for your system... lol well truly spl guys and girls maybe lol.
@M.B.Enclosures oooo I know bud. Still doesn't change the fact I'm correct lol. I get what the epic is for and I do know how to tune using it. I just never had to is all Im Saying. Lol I'm hitting those lows hard on a prefab box I haven't built mine yet. To each there own. Just making sure people know you don't have to have all that to feel your chest caving in lol
My sundown sd3 10s under my seat have an fs of 25hz.. is it safe to switch the subsonic filter chip in my epicenter to 15hz or 20hz?.. sealed enclosure
I've never understood how it worked,but I've been using epicenters since 1996. Really to use on old school 60's and 70's and maybe a lil 80's love music that lacks bass. People be like "Why don't that song sound like that in my car????"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I've always been under the impression(Because my stereo installer told me this) that you can't put the epicenter on a ported box or it would distort and blow the subs.
The problem is not the product. The problem is the people using the product incorrectly. I've personally used an audiocontrol epicenter for 6 years and have never blown out a subwoofer, I mean fuck either skar and Rockville have very durable subwoofers or I just happen to know how to use an epicenter lol
@@josecorrales7195 run a distortion detection on it…it affects the audio signal the same as “bass boost”, it helps pick up response where your enclosure/cabin cannot
@@josecorrales7195 havnt used a Epicenter in like 6-7yrs I think I just realized that you can make up for that with enclosure design/ placement and sound deadener
@@PHILLY214 yeah I have sound deadener in my cars. I mean I hear you loud and clear but what I'm saying is if it was constantly sending distortion to my amp than why haven't my subs ever blown out? By the way I live in Phoenix Arizona summers are 110-120 degrees Fahrenheit and yet I still didn't blow my subwoofers. I'm saying the heat from the sun and epicenter distortion were fighting my subs but they never blew out.
i learned 20 years ago,u r supposed to give it full range and a sealed box.the retailer told me that and thats how i ran it..the higher the hertz the lower epicenter makes it..people couldnt figure the song out till i pulled up and they heard the words.
My issue is with the epicenter control knob set to off /no amber light it should not be working to restore bass notes. The epicenter is still on unless I unplug the cat/5 cable to the knob then it completely cuts off the epicenter any help with this would be great
Can you speak about the updated epicenter? I am using the epicenter micro as my line converter. Setting the frequency is getting easier to understand with your recent videos but what about the bass knob setting. It has a compounded knob that allows control of the amp and the epicenter. Should you turn the amp bass knob all the way and then feather the epicenter knob or vice versa.. just want more clarity. Thank you 🤝🏿
Think of them as two separate knobs. One controls the epicenter effect. The other is a basic level control that turns the amp up or down. You can have the epicenter knob turned all the way down most of the time and use the bass knob to adjust for the song your listening to. If a song with weak bass comes on you can turn the bass knob up and vice versa. The epicenter knob is for those occasions where there's not any low bass in the song, only upper bass like with older music. You can turn up the bass knob, but it's not gonna help. It will make the upper bass louder. This is where you want to use the epicenter knob to create/restore some lower frequency bass. I hope that makes sense. The epicenter knob is not gonna help much if the song already has low bass in it. I'm thinking of getting the micro myself. That way I don't have to have to install two separate knobs, plus it looks like a great product. Are you liking it?
@@JasonWW2000 yea the Epicenter Micro is great. You can choose the voltage level you amplifier sees, you have grounding options (200 ohms, ISO, ECT), and you can use it as a line output converter without finding a remote wire.(activates from audio signal) Costs about $250 but I believe it is worth the money. Just want to learn more about operating the product to maximize it's use.
@@deedolan399 Do you have the Micro Epicenter's voltage on the rec. 5 volt output? Also you will probably have to turn your Amplifier's sensitivity/gain down some, if your Rca input voltage from the Micro, is higher than your deck's Rca voltage. If these setting's are set right, then if you have an amplifier Bass Knob with a clip light, i would turn that ALL the way up, and mount it in, or under your dash, or somewhere you can still see the clip light. Then just use the Audio Control Knob that adjust's the Total Subwoofer Volume, as your Master Volume ( using your amp's bass knob clip light to monitor clipping= to let you know when to turn it down) Then like the other person said, the other Knob, on the AC's dual bass Knob can be used to add as much, or little Bass Restoration as you like, up to clipping. Also what is your enclosure tuned to? If you have your Micro's Pfm filter switched to on= 20Hz subsonic filter= great match for sealed, or ported enclosure's tuned anywhere from 20Hz to 30Hz. Also i have a Question for you, does your Ac Micro Volume Knob turn the bass ALL the way down to Zero, 10%, or 20%? Like if both of the Dual Knob's are ALL the way down, or do they have about the same volume control as your amplifier's bass knob? Is the Ac Micro's Dual Bass Knob more Linear, than your amplifier's bass knob?
@@evilinside5984 Audio control micro knob will not fully turn off the subs. I'm not sure to what level it turns down to but definitely not off. It turns them way down though.
@@INFRNL1 I know its not a power switch= to turn off the subs, i just was wondering if it turned them all the way down. But im sure it does not, its prob. Just like an amps bass knob= only turns down bass to around 20% or so.
I was wanting the indash, with meter for demo fun, but the meter reads higher than term lab meter, and does not show tenths of a Db, to show what exact freq., is the loudest. But the biggest reason i don't want the indash Epicenter is it has a factory set 33Hz Pfm, that can't be changed, or bypassed, and im tuned low, and this unit will kill all of the freq. i love the most! The Best one for the Low freq. Lover's like me= the Micro Epicenter= Pfm switched to on= 20Hz, and switched to off= 10Hz! And the cherry on top= the Micro is the only Audio Control Epicenter that can use, and come's with a 20ft. Dual Knob Bass Control= 1 controls Total Subwoofer Volume, and the other Knob control's the amount of Bass Restoration you want from zero to max= this restoration work's amazing on music with little to no bass in the recording= don't use Bass Restoration Knob on music that is already Bass heavy. Also when using Any Epicenter, always run a full range signal to them, just use the amplifier's cross over's @ the amp, like 125Hz, 100Hz, or 80Hz Lpf, dont use your deck's cross over's to the Epicenter.
@@evilinside5984 I have the epicenter In dash.. im still trying to figure it out. It sounds real good at times, & sometimes it just messes everything up! I'm thinking about rebuilding my box & giving it 1 last shot.. or sell ot for the Micro. I'm running 1 Sundown Zv5 12 on a Sundown SAE3000
This device is always used incorrectly and end up causing damage to subwoofers (user erro) also generally installed incorrectly as in where it is placed within the system. Most people install it before the amplifier but it is to be wired rite off the head unit before any signals are altered.
I had no bass under 30hz from my factory subwoofer to my aftermarket amp. So I got the cheap one from wallmart. Turned out worse.. I had nothing below 35hz but the 40hz and above was way louder.👎
I don't know what the "cheap on from Walmart" is? Some type of clone product? It may not have been a clone, it might have worked differently. Hard to say. You did feed it a full range signal, right?
Im assuming you got a cheap walmart loaded enclosure= cheap subwoofer, in a cheap prefab, am i right? Is the enclosure sealed, or ported? Most cheap prefab enclosure's are way too small, tuned waaay too high, and not enough port area.
@@JasonWW2000 I was asking the owner, (casandra), is trying to say/mean, as i don't think you are understanding the question casandra asked, correctly, i could be wrong, but im waiting for casandra, to read my comment, and hopefully clarify.
After tinkering with this thing: 30hz 40hz 50hz 60hz are boosted depending on your width and sweep. I’ve got mines at 10:00 on the width and 12:00 on the sweep. It’s in between the unit and the bass amplifier. Amp is set to 0db bass boost (off) subsonic at 25hz, variable x-over set at 65hz. Head unit crossover for the sub is set to off (full range at 250hz) after adjusting the width and sweep I’m boosting roughly 30hz to 60hz with the epicenter. I built a custom box ported and tuned to 32hz and I LOVE IT!!!! EVERY song I play WILL produce notes in that range. I get to hear bass through out the song instead of just musical peaks and it just cruises in the low notes. The bass production is smooth, full and deep. If you played rebassed songs on RUclips and thought that was good, this is even better. Lol
[I just viewed and commented on part 1 a few mins ago] YES!!! MBE does it again, @06:00 mark, how to PROPERLY TUNE an Epicenter for an SQ system or daily driver system (if you're doing SPL builds for competitions or show vehicles, everything is different/unique to each system & vehicle, of course). A vented/ported enclosure is already tuned to a specific frequency... you bass restoration components and/or 'bass boost' (which is just an additional gain at a specific frequency [sweep] w/ roll-off [wide]). You are already getting a low frequency boost at the enclosure's tuning frequency... the Epicenter/bass restoration component is there to boost, enhance, replacethe OTHER low frequencies that are 'lost' or muted in the system (pretty much at or below 180Hz with most devices). MBE is the ONLY content creator I have personally viewed who explains this so well. The Epicenter is to COMPLIMENT the low end (sub range) in addition to the well-built, properly tuned, sub box. An Epicenter (or other such device) can also make a sealed sub enclosure sound like a vented/ported enclosure at certain low-end frequency ranges. Personally, I'm a BIG SQ guy and utilizing a 'bass restoration' device (I'm going to use the current NVX one, @$89.99USD currently) I can have tight, accurate bass for when I listen to my jazz, vocal, EDM, pop, etc... and when I decide to run my bass mix music (Bass Boy, Techmaster P.E.B, D.J. Laz, etc... REAL bass MUSIC, not the stuff they call music now which is for bass but it is not 'music'.) I can turn up the knob for that looser, "panty dropping" bass. Transducers (bass shakers) are another way for younger fellas to add more bass feel for much less $$$. Remember that for every watt you want, you have to consider the electrical system upgrade cost. Hence, again, the Q Class Kicker 8" subs and a bass restoration device, top quality SIGNAL CABLES and sound deadening. From a former Solo X 18"/MA Audio 4k watt amp owner and proficient installer... I know what I'm talking about and love the input for new(er) installers that MBE provides. For SQ & daily drivers, less is more. If your goal is to piss off the neighbors, car audio is not for you. How it sounds to you, driving, and how the system pleases you... that should be the goal. No one is impressed by a loud sub with a rattling trunk. Take care of the details, INSTALL A BASS RESTORATION/ENHANCING DEVICE, tune it properly, and you will have a better system than to try and install a 2k watt amp into a factory electrical system. the RIGHT enclosure for your sub(s) and vehicle are uber critical also. The things which differentiate a luxury vehicle from an economy vehicle are: the factory warranty, the smooth/quiet ride, and the "solid" feel of the vehicle. Sound deadening/insulating covers almost ALL of these aspects. Final thought: Stop putting car audio company decals on your vehicle unless you are sponsored or it is a show vehicle. You are asking to be jacked/looted and no one is impressed with your shite anyway. Remember that the best doesn't brag that they're the best... you're the best when others brag about you when you aren't there.
I’m all SQ loud but windows up for my ears only. How is your NVX set ? Should I run this after my Audio Control then my bass amp?
My trunk rattles, I don’t hear it, budget build, can’t afford sound deadeners, most importantly, I’m not trying to impress you or anyone else. My sound is for me, if for some reason it offends someone, if that’s your biggest problem, you have it better than 99.9% of the population
I ran across this video and I want to say thanks.. listening to you help me adjust mine and now I’m getting the bass I wanted from any music I play it sounds good..
MBE needs a gum sponsorship #MintyFresh
This is how I know I need an new enclosure crafted by this good brother brother right here!!
MBE put plenty respect to your name....great explanation
Awesome video, so if we have a MB enclosure thats tuned to 33hz i should be able to set the epicenter sweep at or around 38-42hz and the wide around 10 or 11 and be good to go?🤔 should i get a lower pfm chip or the 33hz stock chip will be fine.
I love these kind videos explaining what little things do to the system
Excellent video MB!🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
How would you set this for e sealed box? What spec on the subs am I looking for to help set my system. Naturally using a sealed box my lower notes are not as pronounced. But I would like to keep a flatter response
Hey MB can you do a set up with that like Low pass filter from the head unit , to the amp LP filter with the epicenter I been trying to figure out how to set it all up with the epicenter and box tuning
The easiest way to explain what an epicenter does to me anyways is. When you set the sweep/target frequency let's say to 40 hz. The epicenter looks for harmonics from Missing 40 hertz notes at multiple octaves above 40 and uses the harmonics found to restore the missing 40 hertz note. The wide control restores all the missing notes above and below the target frequency depending on where you have it set. With that said and this is just a thought. Wouldn't you want the wide setting to dip down to your tuning frequency? If you're tuned to 33 and the 33 hertz notes have been turned down or removed during mixing of the song Wouldn't you want to restore those too?
But the stock Epicenter PFM module was 33hz from the factory so if like you said you goal was to increase a high response flat curve why did you even change it as you set your epicenter in the 40s hz??
Awesome explanation 👏
Can u explain how to use the lc2i? Im thinking of use one in my brothers 2016 honda hrv. He has a very cheap highinput amp hooked up to an old pyle pounder i gave him in a 3cubic foot box sealed. It doesnt hit low. I think his stock head unit is cutting bass to the 6.5 rear door dpeakers where he tapped into for his hilevel input
How would you connected it to a DSP? Because when I connect it before the DSP the bass isn't as impactful as when I place the epicenter after the DSP.
Is the epicenter useful for a sealed enclosure being there's no port tuning?
Yes. You could say sealed get's the most benefit from an Epicenter, as they have smoother=less steep of a drop off, and don't fully unload, because of tuning.
So what do you set it at ? My sealed is a little bigger to go deep . WHT would wide and sweep be set at if dsp is 80hz
You could set it around 60 and go wide.
My epicenter suddenly stopped working, the highs went away, then the bass intermittent, while the lights are flashing. Have you any thoughts on what went wrong? Defective IC?
Can you explain how to control the Epicenter In-Dash? Thanks!
Hi have a 12w7 sealed box what would be the best way to set it
I need to see how the classic epicenter works in comparison to the micro.
I have the micro but i don't want to fiddle with things more than i have to.
Classic seems like it does everything automatically and you just control volume.
Micro, i leave the effects knob at half and just control volume.
It's nice to have control of the effect but just adds something else to worry about.
Good and bad to both options depending on how you look at it.
I think I like the simplistic approach but i haven't had a classic, so I don't know the actual difference in real world use.
30hz tuning is my personal sweet spot. I like to have more control at 20
Check out the Audio control EQL eq.
Then if you were to get an Epicenter i would suggest the Micro, because it has a Pfm= subsonic filter(when switched to on= 20Hz), and when switched to off= 10Hz! Plus this unit is the only Audio Control unit with Acr-4= 20Ft. Dual Control Bass Knob!
What if I'm using a sealed enclosure. Where do I set sweep
You can set it wherever you want. Your vehicle with have a natural peak frequency so you won't need help in that area. For instance, a big SUV might be peaking at about 44Hz (my Navigator does) so I don't need any extra output there. I would probably set the epicenter around 30-38Hz to help smooth the response. It might be "fairly" smooth from 30 to 50. If you have a smaller vehicle that peaks around 55Hz. You might want to have the epicenter fill in from 36 to 44hz. Something along those lines.
I haven't used an epicenter, but I plan to get one. I think ultimately you'll need to experiment and see where you prefer it. There's no set in stone adjustments. Let your ear be your guide.
For smoothest= most musical, set the wide all the way to the right= clockwise, and the sweep is your preference, all they way left= counterclock wise= 27Hz center freq., and if sweep is set to wide max.,= will boost 17Hz to 37Hz, and if you set the sweep to the middle= 45Hz center freq.(= the exact center of 27Hz and 63Hz), and if the sweep is set to wide max.,= will boost 35Hz to 55Hz, and if you set the sweep all the way to the right= clockwise= 63Hz center freq., and if sweep is set to wide max.,= will boost 53Hz to 73Hz. Hope this help's?
@@evilinside5984 @JasonWW2000 .... thanks. I've actually had the wide all the way right and sweep all the way for as far back as I remember.
Question. I'm just learning about the pfm filter. Factory its 33hz.. I have 2 sundown sd3 10s. The spec sheet says the resonance frequency is 25hz. Should I switch the pfm to 20hz or 15hz?
@@thadiesel7655 What Model of Epicenter do you have? Depends on the power you are giving your subwoofer's, and if you have a clip light, or easy on your system? But given your enclosure is sealed, and those woofer's play low 20s very well, you would notice a big improvement with a 20Hz Pfm, vs a 33Hz Pfm. I would not rec. a 15Hz Pfm, in your setup, even not knowing your power.
@@thadiesel7655 The pfm is most useful with ported boxes because the excursion increases a lot as you go below the tuned frequency. With a sealed box it my or may not be needed. You can switch the filter to a lower frequency and the subs will play lower. They will also move more and possibly use more power. If the subs can handle that, its fine. Sometimes that can't handle it. So it just depends.
MBE is scientific wit it!! That's Right!!!
I’ve used the wavtech one both audicontrol I love them all the wavtech has a adjustable pfm that you can mess with in the fly and the dual noobs are really nice. You can’t go wrong with any above products
I hear WavTech’s is good
Man, that costs about the same as the Epicenter. Most are cheap knock offs.
I'm liking this unit. It looks like its directly competing with the Micro, but is $50 less. It even has a dual knob remote.
The adjustable PFM, gain control and clip light seems to be added features.
@@JasonWW2000 The Micro Epicenter has a Dual Bass Knob, a 25Hz pfm, or 10Hz if turned off. The Dual Knob control's total Bass volume with 1 Knob, and the amount of Bass Restoration with the other Knob.
@@M.B.Enclosures how can you use this when running an amp on each woofer
@@deebrown3334 I'm not knowledgeable much on car audio but would you use RCA splitters, just a quick thought.
So using the epicenter to return bass at higher hertz, would that also make the amp more efficient at higher frequencies? My hi pass is around 50 hertz.
Slowly sinkn in
The epicenter is basically just slowing down a specific frequency or range in half and sending that signal out to the amp. It’s just changing your target frequency down in half
Huh… it not slowing down it eliminates attenuation an octave below first harmonic
No, it's not really looking at the upper frequencies. It's a bit complicated. It's analyzing the music signal and looking for upper frequency harmonics of a lower frequency signal that used to be there, but was filtered down or removed. These harmonics are not heard, they are buried in the signal. The music may originally had a beat at 40hz, but it got filtered out and there is no beat at 80Hz, but the hidden signal (the harmonics) are still there.
That's a good laymans explanation.
Yeah you can get low with the epic. Lol but I can get just as low and cleaner with sealed and crossovers. I appreciate you actually being honest about using it correctly.... but honestly I can get the same effect cheaper and cleaner without it. For those wanting to use this device seriously it's only worth it if you use the miro version and do factory head unit integration. Otherwise that Money can be spent on other things that will do far more for your system... lol well truly spl guys and girls maybe lol.
Yet no one demos with sealed boxes.. No where on no social media platform. No one. Not Bobby Gately, Jonathan price, Steve Meade …No one.
@M.B.Enclosures oooo I know bud. Still doesn't change the fact I'm correct lol. I get what the epic is for and I do know how to tune using it. I just never had to is all Im Saying. Lol I'm hitting those lows hard on a prefab box I haven't built mine yet. To each there own. Just making sure people know you don't have to have all that to feel your chest caving in lol
My sundown sd3 10s under my seat have an fs of 25hz.. is it safe to switch the subsonic filter chip in my epicenter to 15hz or 20hz?.. sealed enclosure
I've never understood how it worked,but I've been using epicenters since 1996. Really to use on old school 60's and 70's and maybe a lil 80's love music that lacks bass. People be like "Why don't that song sound like that in my car????"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I've always been under the impression(Because my stereo installer told me this) that you can't put the epicenter on a ported box or it would distort and blow the subs.
Bro I got the micro but my system consists of an LC7i running 4ch and sub amp. Where do I connect mines? From sub outputs on LC7i to epicenter?
Do a distortion detect and see how much clipping these add, we’ve always referred to these as woofer cookers
The problem is not the product. The problem is the people using the product incorrectly. I've personally used an audiocontrol epicenter for 6 years and have never blown out a subwoofer, I mean fuck either skar and Rockville have very durable subwoofers or I just happen to know how to use an epicenter lol
@@josecorrales7195 run a distortion detection on it…it affects the audio signal the same as “bass boost”, it helps pick up response where your enclosure/cabin cannot
@@josecorrales7195 havnt used a Epicenter in like 6-7yrs I think I just realized that you can make up for that with enclosure design/ placement and sound deadener
As always ..user error if you getting distortion. If you cooking woofers it user error
@@PHILLY214 yeah I have sound deadener in my cars. I mean I hear you loud and clear but what I'm saying is if it was constantly sending distortion to my amp than why haven't my subs ever blown out? By the way I live in Phoenix Arizona summers are 110-120 degrees Fahrenheit and yet I still didn't blow my subwoofers. I'm saying the heat from the sun and epicenter distortion were fighting my subs but they never blew out.
i learned 20 years ago,u r supposed to give it full range and a sealed box.the retailer told me that and thats how i ran it..the higher the hertz the lower epicenter makes it..people couldnt figure the song out till i pulled up and they heard the words.
How do you set it for a sealed box?
It depends on your woofers tuning frequency but you can adjust the unit to cover a decent frequency range.If you don't have a meter use your ear.
My issue is with the epicenter control knob set to off /no amber light it should not be working to restore bass notes. The epicenter is still on unless I unplug the cat/5 cable to the knob then it completely cuts off the epicenter any help with this would be great
Good Info MBE
How can i find the tuning of my box . I got it from a guy but he had no specs on it but I got it anyway. I slams for the most part not complaining
Can I change pfm module on in dash epicenter concert series? Not getting the lows
Show me how to set it
I wish I understood what he’s saying I’m lost
Can you speak about the updated epicenter? I am using the epicenter micro as my line converter. Setting the frequency is getting easier to understand with your recent videos but what about the bass knob setting. It has a compounded knob that allows control of the amp and the epicenter. Should you turn the amp bass knob all the way and then feather the epicenter knob or vice versa.. just want more clarity. Thank you 🤝🏿
Think of them as two separate knobs. One controls the epicenter effect. The other is a basic level control that turns the amp up or down. You can have the epicenter knob turned all the way down most of the time and use the bass knob to adjust for the song your listening to. If a song with weak bass comes on you can turn the bass knob up and vice versa.
The epicenter knob is for those occasions where there's not any low bass in the song, only upper bass like with older music. You can turn up the bass knob, but it's not gonna help. It will make the upper bass louder. This is where you want to use the epicenter knob to create/restore some lower frequency bass. I hope that makes sense. The epicenter knob is not gonna help much if the song already has low bass in it.
I'm thinking of getting the micro myself. That way I don't have to have to install two separate knobs, plus it looks like a great product. Are you liking it?
@@JasonWW2000 yea the Epicenter Micro is great. You can choose the voltage level you amplifier sees, you have grounding options (200 ohms, ISO, ECT), and you can use it as a line output converter without finding a remote wire.(activates from audio signal) Costs about $250 but I believe it is worth the money. Just want to learn more about operating the product to maximize it's use.
@@deedolan399 Do you have the Micro Epicenter's voltage on the rec. 5 volt output? Also you will probably have to turn your Amplifier's sensitivity/gain down some, if your Rca input voltage from the Micro, is higher than your deck's Rca voltage. If these setting's are set right, then if you have an amplifier Bass Knob with a clip light, i would turn that ALL the way up, and mount it in, or under your dash, or somewhere you can still see the clip light. Then just use the Audio Control Knob that adjust's the Total Subwoofer Volume, as your Master Volume ( using your amp's bass knob clip light to monitor clipping= to let you know when to turn it down) Then like the other person said, the other Knob, on the AC's dual bass Knob can be used to add as much, or little Bass Restoration as you like, up to clipping. Also what is your enclosure tuned to? If you have your Micro's Pfm filter switched to on= 20Hz subsonic filter= great match for sealed, or ported enclosure's tuned anywhere from 20Hz to 30Hz. Also i have a Question for you, does your Ac Micro Volume Knob turn the bass ALL the way down to Zero, 10%, or 20%? Like if both of the Dual Knob's are ALL the way down, or do they have about the same volume control as your amplifier's bass knob? Is the Ac Micro's Dual Bass Knob more Linear, than your amplifier's bass knob?
@@evilinside5984
Audio control micro knob will not fully turn off the subs.
I'm not sure to what level it turns down to but definitely not off. It turns them way down though.
@@INFRNL1 I know its not a power switch= to turn off the subs, i just was wondering if it turned them all the way down. But im sure it does not, its prob. Just like an amps bass knob= only turns down bass to around 20% or so.
Bro I really wish you could tune my system I have an epicenter and it sounds like shiit 😂
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Mb ....what about the on dash epicenters. Are the db meter any good ....thinking about getting the in dash for the meter also
I was wanting the indash, with meter for demo fun, but the meter reads higher than term lab meter, and does not show tenths of a Db, to show what exact freq., is the loudest. But the biggest reason i don't want the indash Epicenter is it has a factory set 33Hz Pfm, that can't be changed, or bypassed, and im tuned low, and this unit will kill all of the freq. i love the most! The Best one for the Low freq. Lover's like me= the Micro Epicenter= Pfm switched to on= 20Hz, and switched to off= 10Hz! And the cherry on top= the Micro is the only Audio Control Epicenter that can use, and come's with a 20ft. Dual Knob Bass Control= 1 controls Total Subwoofer Volume, and the other Knob control's the amount of Bass Restoration you want from zero to max= this restoration work's amazing on music with little to no bass in the recording= don't use Bass Restoration Knob on music that is already Bass heavy. Also when using Any Epicenter, always run a full range signal to them, just use the amplifier's cross over's @ the amp, like 125Hz, 100Hz, or 80Hz Lpf, dont use your deck's cross over's to the Epicenter.
@@evilinside5984 I have the epicenter In dash.. im still trying to figure it out. It sounds real good at times, & sometimes it just messes everything up! I'm thinking about rebuilding my box & giving it 1 last shot.. or sell ot for the Micro. I'm running 1 Sundown Zv5 12 on a Sundown SAE3000
@@GoProTony912 What is your current ported enclosure tuned to?
@@evilinside5984 32 hz
I would not trust the SPL meter
Can you use the epicenter with a dsp
Yes
@@digginglow perfect preciate
Yes, ideally you want it before the dsp. If thats not possible, then after the dsp might work, but the setup is trickier.
This device is always used incorrectly and end up causing damage to subwoofers (user erro) also generally installed incorrectly as in where it is placed within the system. Most people install it before the amplifier but it is to be wired rite off the head unit before any signals are altered.
what if i have an lc2i pro using a ford sync 2 stock headunit
@@TheLawlessGang What question are you asking? If you wanna know where to add an epicenter you have to give more details on your system.
I had no bass under 30hz from my factory subwoofer to my aftermarket amp. So I got the cheap one from wallmart. Turned out worse.. I had nothing below 35hz but the 40hz and above was way louder.👎
I don't know what the "cheap on from Walmart" is? Some type of clone product? It may not have been a clone, it might have worked differently. Hard to say. You did feed it a full range signal, right?
Im assuming you got a cheap walmart loaded enclosure= cheap subwoofer, in a cheap prefab, am i right? Is the enclosure sealed, or ported? Most cheap prefab enclosure's are way too small, tuned waaay too high, and not enough port area.
@@evilinside5984 "Factory sub"
@@JasonWW2000 I was asking the owner, (casandra), is trying to say/mean, as i don't think you are understanding the question casandra asked, correctly, i could be wrong, but im waiting for casandra, to read my comment, and hopefully clarify.
@@evilinside5984 Yeah, its a bit confusing. You don't typically go from a sub to an amp.
This man has no idea what he is talking about
He may not understand everything about the electronics but he doea have a firm grasp on how to setup a good system.
Huh?