I literally busted out laughing half way through the video just imagining the ungodly chaos of that battle field lol. Just imagine some of them having a 1v1 and then deidara dropping bombs on them while, Hidan is chasing you around with a scythe and there’s some crazy puppet guy trying to put chakra strings on your back, while some shark dude is shooting tidal waves at you, and some Emo kid is trying to capture you in mind destroying Genjutsu, while some orange haired freak summons several giant mythical beasts while shooting gravity blasts at you that can break all your bones, etc...
Deidara consecutively dropping random bombs everywhere is enough to make me pay top dollar. I could easily see Sasori and Kakazu getting real pissed about that, and targeting Deidara first lol. Meanwhile Zetsu is somewhere random, taking it all in.
So Itachi gets to be healthy but Nagato doesn't? That's some definite favoritism. That's not the Itachi that was inside of the Akatsuki, you're literally putting in Edo Itachi from the war arc, yet nobody else gets their war arc feats?
To be fair, Nagato was crippled right after fighting Hanzo, which was very early on in the akutsuki, most of the current members aren't even there. While itachi was at least still healthy for a bit after he joined
How would Itachi even know that Pain isn’t a real person? Naruto won that fight through extreme plot armour and knowledge from Jaraya, things itachi wouldn’t know.
^This. There is no way Pein is starting with all 6 bodies at once and losing so easily to Itachi. Summoner and Chakra absorption are pretty much Itachi's counters.
I love how he's like : "Everyone is in character !" But says He will be using a "Healthy" Itachi that based purely on the character of his prostate, because everyone knows having low ass chakra reserves is part of Itachi's character. Might as well consider a "Healthy" Nagato, or a suicidal Deidara in the fight.
@@jauneork278 In this IF he based Itachi's character around a supposed healthy version of him that could spam Mangekyou like Sasuke had. Itachi in character simply does not have the stamina or firepower to fight the likes of pain. He could barely use his Mangekyou abilities without exhausting himself.
@@Ryuxun I'm going off of Sick Itachi. Not healthy Itachi. And the low stamina of 3.5 refers to sick itachi since itachi was sick when the databook came out. Either way He used more jutsu than sasuke did in their fight and most of them were more costly. And Kirin didn't even use really any chakra so don't bring that up. Itachi still had about as much Chakra as Kage summit Sasuke pre getting regened by zetsu and then Karin. Despite literally being hours away from a natural death. The thing is this is a free for all and tactics/other akatsuki members will play a role in the battle. Itachi isn't just going to battle a max strength pain. He'll swoop in and destroy him after he wastes a big attack on the others. Aside from that it's a myth that the rinnegan is immume to ocular genjutsu. And as the rinnegan isn't even Nagato's own set of eyes Tsukuyomi should work on him. I'm sorry but Pains idea of tactics have always been using big chakra and life draining attacks hoping it'll just oneshot people who are very good at surviving bs.
@@jauneork278 Itachi only used Susano and Amaterasu once and collapsed every time he did it. Sasuke spammed Susano and Amaterasu at the Kage Submit without Karin healing him. Fought the A, Mei, and then Ōnoki and then was out of chakra. Itachi has never shown that level of chakra. In OG Naruto he was exhausted after using Tsukuyomi twice and Amaterasu once. A healthy Itachi is still suffering from blindness if he abuses the MS.
@@jaas0225 Sasuke's Chakra usage when arriving at 5 kage summit with MS mostly full of light. Sasuke channeled lightning into his sword at the start which isn't particularltly chakra taxing but still not negligable. Then he used a regular sharingan genjutsu. Chidori came next but it isn't too costly at this point followed by using and maintaining Susano'o ribcage which isn't that taxxing but is a steady drain. An amaturasu is used but it's a medium-small instant use. After that he coats His susano'o with amaturasu technically twice? which would cost a decent bit to use but it's quite brief and he deactivates everything after gaara's intervention. Then he uses 3 quick burst of amaturasu which is medium cost altogether and skeletal Susano'o briefly to survive a decently sized attack and some rubble whichnleaves him pretty low on chakra. He uses a lightning infused sword briefly then uses a ribcage susano'o for a bit which leaves him almost completely drained and about to die. That's 11 used of jutsu. 1 use of a medium-small quick shot Amaturasu which is instant using moderate chakra and 2 uses of smallish shaped amaturasu which lasted a total of about 4 seconds. Moderately high chakra usage each time. 3 quick amaturasu burst which I countnas 1 use, moderate chakra cost, 1 use of Skeletal susano'o for a few seconds which would cost large amounts of chakra, high chakra usage. 1 sharingan genjutsu which is small chakra usage. 1 quick use of lightning chakra sword and another use that lasts a while. Very small chakra usage and moderately small chakra usage. Keeping susano'o ribcage active for a while twice is high cost and a use of chidori is high cost. Overall He used quite a bit of highish cost jutsu and then ran out of chakra. Now for Itachi's Chakra usage while on his deathbed and with most of his light gone. Starts off with a regular Sharingan genjutsu. small chakra usage. And then another Sharingan genjutsu to show Sasuke his version of the Madara story. small chakra usage. He then used a shadow clone. Moderately low Chakra usage. He then used a tsukuyomi. Very high Chakra usage. Itachi uses a very large fire style. Moderately high chakra usage. Itachi uses another Very large and long lasting fire style. High Chakra usage. Itachi Spams out constant large Amaturasu flames for about 5 seconds to overpower sasuke's fire style. Very Very high Chakra usage. Spams another contant stream of moderately large Amaturasu for at least 15 whole damn seconds straight. Insanely high chakra usage. He then activates his armored susano which is all but completely destroyed by kirin. high Chakra usage. Uses Skeletal Susano'o for a few seconds comparable to Sasukes use. High chakra usage. Evolves the Susano'o into an Armored Susano'o and waits for orochimaru for a while before engaging in a quick slug fest, waiting some more and then sealing orochimaru. He continues to keep the susano'o up for quite a while longer even while dying. until it reverts to a full body susano'o which he continues to hold up until his death. Massively high chakra usage. He then uses a sealing jutsu and amaturasu at the same time on sasuke before falling over dead. Moderate chakra usage. That's a total of 11.5 jutsu. Most of which are higher cost and spammed for much longer periods of times than the ones sasuke used. But Yes. Sick MS Itachi has low stamina 100%. So low of a chakra reserve in fact, that while on his deathbed he had as much if not drastically more chakra than a healthy MS Sasuke. Itachi's 3.5 in stamina. Is again based on a very near death itachi. If healthy and allowed to train himself hard his whole life he would have had an absolutely monstrous chakra pool even for an uchiha. His stamina is not low man. Do I need to prove more?
@@Umarohh and itachi is overrated as a combatant. People think he scales to EMS sasuke because of the kabuto fight. And this isn't edo itachi. This is alive itachi
Edo Nagato was more placed on an auto reaction mode, more then him being fully in control of himself. The kages explained that when they were fighting Naruto, and we can see it cause Nagato’s eyes are dim. So even if Nagato did know about it, it was more his body was automatically moving rather then him thinking and fighting
@@kokirimido3924 I am just saying Kabuto’s edo tensei control walked so Ultra Instinct Goku could run Also before anyone says God Speed, or other techniques that work like Ultra Instinct, this is a joke, piss off
@@SunShine-oe4rt He obliterated kcm Naruto and Killer B tho. I can't imagine pain doing it. Also I'm pretty sure it was said that Nagato is more powerful than pain somewhere in the series. If not then oh well I'm pretty dumb sometimes 😂 but I still agree with him being more powerful.
I don’t actually think that Sasori would go for Deidara, purely cause Deidara and Sasori have a mutual respect of each other through their art (this is shown in the Akatsuki book). I actually think Sasori would help Deidara against Itachi, or at least see that as more likely
@@man275 I can see a threeway alliance being formed to try and take out Pain between Hidan, Deidara and Sasori (Maybe four if they paid Kakuzu enough) cause all of them have reason to hate Pain and Sasori might join in cause taking out the bigger threat he know he can’t beat alone
@@TheEternalFlame57 I can see that but I think Kakazu would just join them if he know he’d have to either fight them, kisame potentially teamed with itachi, itachi solo, zestu, konan, or pain, he knows he’d definitely die eventually if he doesn’t join that team you mentioned. He loves money but this is a free for all so he is gonna have to fight. Unless he can appeal to a stronger team. Like itachi and kisame
I'm sorry but there is no way Itachi would have enough Chakra let alone stamina to mind control Deidara, fight all six paths, AND still have enough Chakra for Sasori. Edo Itachi had unlimited Chakra and wasn't sick unlike alive Itachi in this scenario. I think the only way Itachi wins is if he somehow sets up Sasori for a long term Izanami after noticing Sasori favoring him throughout the battle. Sasori is just too damn deadly and has the tools for this. There is a reason Orochimaru tried to kill Sasori on the bridge with Kabuto while also being within running distance of Sasuke, who's Kirin would theoretically clap Sasori's Iron sand. The man was just too fucking deadly.
That "low" 3.5 in stamina refers to sick Itachi you know? All we've really seen from him is a fight against sasuke where he spammed high powered Jutsu to purposely weaken himself while already just a day or so, maybe less away from a natural death. Add to that Sasuke having somenof Orochimaru's chakra and it's just BS that he has "No Stamina" Dude used so much jutsu that he had to have had more chaka and stamina than Kage summit sasuke before he had been regened thrice. Aside from that it was stated that this deathbed Itachi could have killed Sasuke at any point he wanted if he chose to. So Itachi could have used Taijutsu alone and maybe 1 or 2 meh abilities to kill Sasuke. Instead he spammed Amaturasu for like ten seconds straight. That'd basically completely drain sasuke too considering he was tired after using it once for an instant and coating his susano'o twice which again would only take less than a sec since once cast it basically stays there on it's own. Sasuke was practically out of chakra after his brief clash with the Raikage and Gaara. and would have been killed by fricken Mei of all people if Zetsu hadn't intervene and regened sasuke a bit. Then Obito had to save him from Onoki and had Karin regen him again. Then somewhere around the Danzo fight he was regened by karin yet again. That's the only reason Kage summit sasuke lasted longer than Itachi. Give Itachi three regens have him go all out and but not overextend in hopes of dying to exhaustion amd then compare them. But you're right. that'd be dumb... He'd use Kotoamatsukami on Pain. It cost about as much chakra as a tsukuyomi but having pain on your side is more than worth it.
@@qusayibra5441 Nagato was not fighting Itachi He was fully being controlled we know when edo aren't controlled they usually talk to tell people their Weaknesses so
It’s hilarious, how TF would he even know pain has the 6 paths? Everyone didn’t know the paths of pain were puppets until Jaraya gave them the information and even that Naruto vs Pain was filled with plot armour otherwise naruto wasn’t going to win if the show followed its own logic.
@@numberhunter62 It was supposed to be impossible to even move with Chakra Rods all over his body. Even the final move doesn’t make any sense. I could go on and on. Naruto isn’t the most consistent anime to ever touch the screens.
I'm glad you picked Sasori as a darkhorse to win it all. Nobody really respects him as a character because he "lost to Sakura" and died early, but they literally created a battle scenario where his master teamed up with a brute strength ninja who could cure his poison. Imo there's not a lot of people that could've beat Sasori at that point in the show in a 1v1. Orochimaru, Jaraiya, Pain, Itachi, Kakuzu, Guy might've been the only ones. I think even Obito would've slipped up since he didn't have rinnegan yet and wouldn't have known how dangerous he really was. Maybe Killer Bee because of the eight tails, but that's it for me.
Obito would still win if it was written because Kamui be like that and it might counter him although if he does get hit once again that written portion.
Also Deidara running at Itachi seems unlikely. He's hot headed at times but usually he's analytical and rational, especially going into fights. I just don't see him being so narrow-minded that he goes for Itachi this early on, especially if Sasori is targeting him (which is also unlikely).
It can go either way Seeing as itachi has very high biq so he can figure out pain's abilities But i don't think he has the stamina to end the fight fast enough So pain has a higher chance to win
There's litteraly no reason not to include Konan aside from laziness, she is a figter that could go for any member that could pose a serious enough threat, being an interesting match against Deidara. Healthy Itachi is not an character eather, even in part one just one use of tsukuyomi drained him. The entirety of the video about Itachi versus Pain is also unreasonable, so using it here is no better
I just don't see Itachi beating Pain in a 1v1 fight. Itachi managed to land the first hit of the Susanoo to save Naruto and B because he previously blinded Nagato's summons, which implicitly says Itachi knew he had to do that before he could sneak attack Nagato. Being that Pain has a greater field of vision than Nagato thanks to the 6 paths, Pain would be much more aware of Itachi's attack. In addition, saying that Edo Itachi is weaker than a healthy Itachi is relative, because eventually and thanks to the effect of MS, healthy Itachi will lose power, while the Edo maintains its strength intact, just invoking the Susanoo already requires a lot of effort and even if Itachi is able to summon it, Pain's structure's defense is too solid for Itachi to get through Tendo, knowing that it's even possible that the Sword could be absorbed into the Preta path. Tsukuyomi would not work on the Rinnegan as stated by Zetsu when he sees Sasuke block the Infinite Tsukuyomi and the Amaterasu is easily countered by the Deva Path or the Preta Path. Pain should win.
The thing is, Pain is much weaker then Edo Nagato, and Prime Itachi is much stronger then Edo Itachi, is prime itachi above Edo Nagato? idk, but Prime Itachi > Pain in terms of scaling, who wins, up for debate
@@UnknownUser-iy7yb Edo Itachi negates any physical draw back from over using Amaterasu Or Susanoo because the Edo tensei can regenerate unlike a hypothetical strong Itachi that can still run out of chakra
@@rinneganofrage7206 yeah no edo itachi has the stamina advantage, prime itachi is still physically more powerful then edo itachi, if you read the Akatsuki Hiden Novel, you will see that healthy itachi has a lot of stamina, not more then edo itacni obviously but he still has considerable reserves and could last long enough to take down pain if he plays his cards right, it all depends on if itachi can beat all 6 paths before nagato uses chibaku tensei
And to add on to what they are saying above^^^^ itachi would be able to do better than sage naruto at taking out each path of pain he has so much he can do and he is easily faster than both naruto and pain.
Remember when Itachi used Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo once each against Sasuke, then died? Pepperidge Farm remembers. Remember when Kakuzu had all 5 Chakra nature's that could combine high level elemental ninjutsu attacks, fly around, and attack independently of Kakuzu? Pepperidge Farm remembers. Remember when Pain had a Preta Path, more than a few summonings, and could repel multiple Chakra blasts from 6-Tailed Naruto? Who could blow through Orochimaru's triple Rashomon with just 4 tails. Pepperidge Farm remembers. Remember when Kisame was reacting to Killer Bee, who himself could react to Jonin Minato at least 14 years ago? Or how about his Super Shark Bomb that could also absorb the Chakra out of other ninjutsu? Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
Only problem with this comment is the killer bee thing, he didn't react to minitos speed, not even ay could do that and he's stated to be stronger than bee at this point, what bee actually did was predict/realized minito put a flying rijin seal on his testicle and planned for him to appear there, he had the knife ready when minito got there.
@@thomasstone502 Remember when Minato teleported onto Ay's back, and Bee was able to knock Ay out of the way of a point blank stab from a distance. Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I kinda think Kisame could take out Kakuzu reasonably quickly. I think he just scales considerably above Kakuzu. Killer Bee is closer to KCM Naruto, who I think is much stronger than Kakuzu. And Killer Bee would've lost to full power Kisame 1v1. And Samehada makes him stronger/regenerates him. How he goes against Sasori idk. But even if he does win and Itachi/Pain is waiting yeah he loses. These are fun man, keep it up!
Kisama has insane durability, and he can put out A LOT of damage. Idk if Kisame would know about his hearts prior to the fight just because they’re both in the Akatsuki; but regardless if he did or not, I still think he’d be able to figure it out relatively quickly. I feel like he’d probably destroy his REAL(normal spot) heart and Kakazu would still be alive obviously lmao and Kisame would DEFINITELY figure it out once Kakazu stared using his masks or whatever. He would HAVE to use his masks against Kisame for sure too since Kisame can put out a lot more damage than Kakashi and then we’re; and Kisame has a lot more durability than anybody does in the Kakazu+Hidan fight
@@stevie7214 yeah, and the masks thwmselves don't really have much scaling as far as I'm aware. Like Kakashi dodged one of the mask's large area attacks pretty easily and I think war arc TenTen beats one or more pretty easily? (I don't remember tbh) Kakuzu will probably be forced to go into his defensive form pretty quickly into the fight, which I think Kisame could definitely defeat.
@@SubZer00fucksgiven I thought about this, but I don't think they would. Most of them don't even know Pain's abilities right? And I'm not sure how many know Itachi's. And I think they'd all find it more thrilling to avoid doing that even if they thought if it. I also low key wonder if Itachi and Pain could defeat the rest of them. That duo is totally absurd
I hate to break it to you, but the 6 pain will stomp itachi. Itachi runs on low chakra(shown in the sasuke battle which sasuke is inferior to pain) bro where as one pain can literally spam reviving technique. Not to mention all 6 paths share sight and the only thing that can hurt them is sage mode.
the sasuke battle is a bad example, that was literally itachi dying, thats like using the nagato on the chair, like... a prime itachi is more like when he joined the akautski or fought kakashi, because he wasnt blind or coughing up blood.
@@manny9191 I’m telling you brother he still loses. His whole bag is shuriken jutsu, fire ball, and the sharingan (Gen and susanoo). There 6 of the pain which he has no intel of. And before you bring up the genjutsu situation, it takes either another person to knock some sense back into you or release it. There are 6 of them
@@Sirskyyy im not saying anything about winning and losing just that you used a crippled itachi. Also from the war arc we see that itachi took seconds to figure out pains secret no ome told him anything yet he knew the eyes were connected. It wont be a stomp. Itachi would have tricks up his sleeve. Pervy sage did well against them and didnt know their secret. Itachi would figure it out right away. Idk how the fight would end but pain would have difficulty
Great video man! One of my favourites for sure. Couple things to address: 1. Itachi is not beating Pain without using a significant amount of chakra, if he even wins at all. First of all, pain can barrage him from long range with the Asura path, and the animal path would be a huge headache. We know itachi has chakra problems, imagine his susaano getting bombarded with rockets while he tries to Amaterasu 4 giant summons. Next, you said he could take out the deva path with the totska blade which I’m not necessarily ruling out, but that wouldn’t make the fight over. The more paths that die, the more chakra Nagato could pour into the rest to make them stronger, not to mention he would probably hide the Naraka path as a contingency to revive stronger paths when they die AND in a FFA he could probably get away with it. Overall, itachi is getting swarmed and worn down for sure. Even if he seals a path they are getting revived and almighty pushes will still do damage to the susaano. Not to mention you didn’t even mention Chubaku tensei in this fight which Itachi can’t destroy by himself and would neg a lot of akatsuki members. Pain also has the superior dojutsu so he’s not getting put in a genjutsu, PLUS paths can break eachother out of genjutsu PLUS the paths aren’t all affected by the same genjutsu. Overall an FFA is so in favour of pain, he scales to everyone in speed, has the best AOE attacks apart from Deidara and has top 3 AP in the akatsuki. If anything, he stomps. Oh and the nagato itachi fought had a crippled body and was being partly controlled by Kabuto so I don’t think it’s very fair to use speed scaling for him even if he was vaguely “stronger” as stated by naruto which could just mean he has better utilisation of his hax or more chakra. Pain is definitely the front runner in this battle. Another main contention is the 3v3 between Sasori, Kakuzu and Kisame. With diamond release, Kakuzu isn’t getting touched by Sasori so in a 3v3 if the battle took place they way you said with Kisame getting poisoned, Kakuzu would come out on top because diamond release negs iron sand and the poison. Which brings me to my next point, Kisame is not getting hit by the iron sand, or the poison. Sakura and Chiyo were rarely hit and evaded ALL of kakuzu’s lethal attacks. And Sasori in speed scales nowhere concrete, the max you could do is scale him to a sick Oro who was on par w Hebi Sasuke. Kisame on the other hand scales above an amped Bee who beat MS Sasuke in BASE with help from taka. And Fused Kisame scales to a version 2 Bee who should be greater than the Raikage who is relative to 5KS Sasuke pre Danzo fight. So there’s levels to the scaling where Sasori just falls short. Kisame is dodging all his attacks and in the end setting up a water dome that negs both Kakuzu and Sasori via chakra absorption. Kisame In the water would just blitz them both or wait for them to lose all their chakra. Also if he launches an ultimate water shark bomb jutsu at anyone except for pain, that akatsuki member probably loses. The ultimate water shark bomb jutsu moves at the same speed as 7th gate guy’s hirudora and absorbs all jutsu. Oh yeah and lastly, Samehada is unlikely to be affected by the poison, it can absorb 9 tails chakra which is described as being poisonous in P1. And the AP it takes to pierce samehada’s skin is V2 Lariat level which nothing in Sasori’s Arsenal is strong enough to match. And lastly here’s some random comments. Animal path is gonna be a bigger factor in this fight than you think, the summons gave Sage Jiriya trouble and there are some that have hax abilities like the dog and the chameleon with invisibility. That stuff would cause people like Deidara and Sasori huge problems. Deidara could bomb the dog all he wants but it would just grow more heads, and the bird could attack him from the air. Sasori’s poison also probably wouldn’t affect them because they are rinnegan creatures are corpses already (I thjnk because they reverted back to their OG forms when attacking the leaf despite already fighting jiriya earlier). Anyways, overall this fight comes down to Pain and Kisame and pain probably wins because he can jump Kisame with the paths, absorb his jutsu with the Preta path and block his jutsu’s with almighty push. It’s possible tho that a Kisame amped by other peoples chakra could go fused in the water dome and trap all the paths. But even then, pain has some wacky ways to get out like almighty pushing himself or blowing himself out of thr water with thr asura path. It could possibly go either way depending on how u think they scale to eachother though.
If you want to join the discord email me. I didn't include chibaku tensei because the fight starts too far away for it. The deva path has to get close to Nagato for that. I didn't consider that the water shark bomb could absorb the chakra out of the iron sand, making it lose it's integrity. That could be a win, but Itachi or Pain beats him.
@@New_Horizons does a full power pain HAVE to be close to nagato to pull it off? I mean when he used it he was already worn the hell out and it doesn't it also depend on how big he would make it? Would it have to be as big as the one he made for the 9 tails?
If it’s a FFA I think Itachi would simply use amaterasu on the deva path after he uses shinra tensei to fend off against a large scale attack from someone else. In character Itachi is NOT going to take pain head on and I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone or almost everyone, began to work together to take down Nagato first.
Holy crap the sheer amount of Itachi fanboying here is ridiculous. Not to mention the absolute ridiculousness of not having him be sick while keeping in every other Akatsuki member's greatest weaknesses/debilitating factors, or the fact that you misinterpreted nearly everything about Edo Itachi, Edo Nagato and how the characters would, for the most part, dog pile him with only a few exceptions like Sasori, Hidan and Kakuzu.
pain would beat itachi because itachi can't sustain the susanoo for long and pain knows about the toutshka blade which would leave itachi with next to no win con because the preta path can absorb amaterasu. After that pain stomps. If itachi beats pain he still loses to sasori due to being nearly bind and completly exhausted. Sharingan genjutsu won't work due to the fact that sasori doesen't have eyes. Itachi would need the susanoo to defend agains the iron sand and the 100 puppets wich causes sasori to outlast him due to the fact that itachi won't be able to cach up to sasori as he's running away from the susanoo. I don't think that itachi can mind control deidara to fight the other members. Pain would just probably pull him off his bird and kill him. All in all the fight depends on pain v itachi. If itachi beats pain sasori wins. If pain wins which is the more liklier option pain wins.
One thing that that i wan't to add is that i don't think that sasori would kill deidara. They have a mutual respect for eachother as artists. Sasori would probably just break him out of the genjutsu and the gang up on itachi and pain cuz they both are smart enough to know that they are the biggest threats. After they defeat them they,d kill kisame and kakuzu and then duke it out artist v artist which i think that sasori takes.
Fun idea but this is too neat and clean. I just have trouble seeing the Akatsuki facing off in these gentlemanly 1 on 1 duels. Also, I feel like either Pain or Kisame would be last man standing. Their Chakra pools are absurd. And even a healthy Itachi probably isn't going to have a supply that can match those monsters. But that's just me These are S Class criminals. Also I feel like the addition of Zetsu, Konan and Orange Mask Tobi would make this fight even more absurd for a future video.
what dont you think he has it when edo itachi can combat nagato bee and naruto. sage naruto had no problem fighting the weaker paths of pain. edo itachi physically should compare to sage naruto in ovr athletic ability and he is miles ahead intelligence. the only thing pain can real do is pull him in and itachi could counter that in multiple ways. doing something as simple as pulling out susanoo ribcage to cut his arms off, he might be able to just punch him in the face and knock him down if you wanna get ridiculous, since he just scale over pain
@@man275 Edo Itachi only beat Nagato because Nagato was controlled by someone who didn’t know how to use him (Kabuto forgot he can Chibaku Tensei) and because Nagato was fighting Bee & Naruto Itachi snuck a cheap shot on him when Nagato had all his hands full. If Nagato starts out the fight in a 1v1, he stomps. Same with Pain. Chibaku Tensei is a gg, Devastating Shinra Tensei is a gg, Itachi cant deal with all those summons nonstop, the Asura path is lethal (it yanked out Sage Jiraiya’s arm quick easily), etc. Yata mirror can’t protect him because it’s omnidirectional. Pain would just overwhelm him from all angles before the Deva path has to get involved, and he can just Bansho Tein him into the Preta path to absorb chakra or the Human path… gg.
@@tomato2517 I disagree I don’t think he’d have trouble with any of the other pains as you say, they looked really deadly against the leaf and jiriya but itachi than on a different tier them, he could kill them so quickly with Amaterasu, exploding clone set ups etc. and evade swarms/ aoe attacks. He also could genjustu for single pain for a defense into counter attack to potentially take them out. The diva path with be a different story since I think he’d be the only one that could dodge the sealing blade and Amaterasu a few times but just see itachi being able to deal with with him. Nagato itachi and pain are all around the same level in my eyes tho It’d be a fight
@@tomato2517 if pain uses chibaku tensei idk what itachi would do tbh but itachi could also kill pain before it gets to that point by sealing or tsukuyomi
@@man275 so first I just want to say when Naruto and bee were fighting against Edo nagato and itachi, Naruto was trying to extract information. You can see he's trying to have a conversation with Itachi, definitely not going all out. Itachi is on auto response and so cannot control his movements, I think it's safe to say Naruto at worst is up to par with Edo Itachi in speed, at best above him. Edo Nagato was 100% no diffing a 2V1 with killer bee and Naruto. Itachi was the only reason they survived, and had the only strategies against countering nagato's jutsu and defeating him. This might lead you to think he could defeat nagato, but my counter to that is twofold. Itachi used his strongest long range attack along with Naruto and killer bees in order to dispel the chibaku tensei. It's doubtful that he alone could just throw a fireball at it and have it blow up even in its early stages. Nagato is on auto response, but I think it's clear he is not as maneuverable as an Edo tensei. Also, nagato literally just sat there and let himself get stabbed by the tostke blade. I'm not saying Itachi has no chance of hitting him, but without the extra distractions/Edo control and people fighting I very much doubt regular non edo nagato, let alone one of the paths of pain in an extremely complicated battle like this one, would get hit with the toteske blade. Itachi's strongest argument for victory here is a 1v1, and honestly I don't think there's a high percentage chance of him beating six paths of pain. Hell, he didn't even know about nagato's real body until they were revived and teamed up. As a side note, tsukuyomi is not working as rinnegans can block the infinite tsukuyomi. Even if they could, in this battle pain 100% takes it. He has the crowd control, stamina, arsenal, and most importantly just raw power. If he shoots himself above the battlefield and uses chaotic shin-ratensei, I don't know who is surviving but it's not everyone.
Free-For All... I see... Dreamed... Ok, so that's 2 reasons on why Obito wins. 1: Play Lame win game and beat the final tired foe. 2: What they said in the vid. Konan just gets negged instantly so that's why these 2 are excluded to make it more fun. My idea for this What-if idea is that Obito just teleports away planning to see if he can get the survivor on his side or at least to work with them even if they don't wish too... And Konan would be staying by Nagato's body. HAKI! I actually assume Deidara might die early. If Kakazu and Sasori want to target him but he wants to target Itachi. HE might get finger Genjutsu'd or just straight up Genjutsu'd and Sasori and Kakazu might snipe him down with long range attacks leaving them defeated. Itachi in his Susanoo most likely wins in that case since he might be able to tank or Mirror that and he's smart enough to possible figure out how too... Yeah I think Kisame might want to target Itachi but might realize he shouldn't right now and should focus on taking the others out absorbing their Chakra and becoming a beast who can't be defeated by Itachi. The issue is that even at that point Itachi's Mangekyo might be enough to deal with Kisame although if somehow he gets that scenario and has the water dome he might win especially if Pain is gone. Itachi would be able to use his Susanoo and might be able to find some way to break the water dome by explosive power with Yasaka or if it's a Jutsu that his mirror can deflect/disrupt/absorb in a way. ===== Itachi underrated in his stamina knowing that he still outlasted Sasuke while abusing Mangekyo abilities in their fight and then still took out Orochi although I do agree that he's not gonna last forever I think he's smart enough to not pick fights really play defensively and go offensive when he needs to... Orochimaru is he in this battle? - Yeah I would count that as a loss for Nagato. Pain the Favorite and Sasori the Dark Horse... Itachi might be that one who is the gimmick and the rest well besides Deidara and Orochi if he's in this are kind of maybe they can win assuming things go right. Hidan most likely just dies. === BATTLE! Deidara... Really shouldn't have chosen that foe. No not the 3rd wheel! 3 WAY DEADLOCK! Let's GO!
Idk about your constant comparisons between nagato and pain and whether they made sense. Pain is far more mobile and less confused then nagato. Without a smokescreen pain would be able to dodge the totsuka blade considering he knows about it. Also if itachi manages to insta chop deva(not seal since there just corpses in which is a important difference) the other paths would retreat and then as long as the naraka path is up it can come back later and revive the fallen deva path and then its gg cause he will immediately use chibaku tensei. It doesnt really matter then nagato was more powerful in terms of attack potency cause his issue of mobility is completely fixed when using the corpse puppets. Considering this is a free for all itachi HAS to defeat naraka and the deva in order to defeat pain. And I don’t think itachi will find out which is the king of hell pathway in time. Deidara wouldn’t have forced the pain to show it.
I saw someone mention this, but it makes sense. If everyone is fighting, they would be a lot of blood on the ground. When that happens, Hidan can just use his technique.
I'll never understand why people use a healthy itachi when there has never been a healthy itachi. And they use his edo feats when those feats were greater than his alive feats because itachi was always sick. Edo itachi will always be greater than alive sick itachi so idk why people always use edo itachi feats when he can spam his sharingan abilities never loses stamina and doesn't have to worry.
you could use the itachi from part one even tho he doesnt have feats and just saw he scales to edo. people do healthy itachi so we dont have to say he doesnt last a match do to crazy low stamina. everyone like itach so we dont want him going out sad. but yk if it was a debate healthy itachi arguments wouldnt hold up
They use edo itachi as a guide to what an alive/Healthy version of Itachi would be like. Yes the edo tensei version is stronger than The dying Itachi we see in shippuden, However Edo Itachi is only stronger due to having no stamina issues. With this being said Edo tensei’s are weaker versions then when they were alive. It’s actually possible that a Healthy version of Itachi just outclasses the Edo version completely. Bare in mind the sharingan was probably making his terminal illness worse, especially the mangekyo hence why it might have seemed like his stamina was trash.
@@darkvoidswrath958 so you're saying healthy itachi would be as fast as the yellow flash since edo itach kept up with kcm naruto who was faster than the raikage who had gotten faster since the third ninja war. I don't buy it
@@brandonharrison60162 No…. Where did you get that? Being stronger or superior doesn’t necessarily mean your faster… Regardless of that whether you believe it or not, The fact remains that Itachi was able to fight KCM Naruto and Killer Bee Back to Back. I’m saying the edo version of Itachi would just be weaker in general compared to an healthy alive version. The only reason he was stronger then his alive counterpart was because he didn’t have to deal with a crippling illness and the stress of his Sharingan. Besides Minato relied on hax and his reactions/reflexes more then he did raw speed. This was a guy who could react to and teleport in the middle of S06P Madara and Night Gai’s attacks to stop what would have been a killing blow. I highly doubt KCM Naruto was actually faster than Minato when he outsped the Raikage, especially when the Raikage had still considered Minato to be faster then him.
another possibility would be Hidan kills Kakuzu and Kisame gets distracted by Sasori. Then if Hidan doesn't know about Sasoris poison he would definitely let Sasori stab him and then be paralysed for the next 3 days or until his body gets rid of the poison and he would just stand there in the middle of the fight, probably being ignored by everyone or maybe used by Itachi who would force feed him blood and activate his curse
ooo that's a interesting thought. Hidan is only immune to dying from bleeding. Since he doesn't regenerate (he needs some stitching to get his limbs back), he might be able to die from sasori's poison.
Deidara especially trained his eyes or whatever to withstand the Sharingans Genjutsu. At least I remember him saying something like that in the fight against Sasuke. Cool video.
The itachi part had me confused, was the sickness during part 2 shipppuden so he should be weaker as a result of stamina etc compared to his esp version.
I really enjoyed this video a lot (yeah comment on a 3-month old video whatever I just finally watched it), I think my main issue is the basis that the fight would divide into 1v1's or three-way fights. Unless this happens in like a Hunger Games-sized playing field, the battle is more so going to be a kill-all-attack-all type of situation for a lot of these people. I don't actually think the end result of Itachi coming out on top is out of the question, but it certainly wouldn't be through a 1-on-1 with Pain, at least not all 6 paths at the same time. One of Itachi's greatest strengths is analyzing the weaknesses of attacks and enemies as a whole, so he very much likely knows his own weakness (endurance). He's also a pacifist, so I do think he's the likeliest to stay hidden in the shadow for as much of the fight as possible and not burn up his chakra unnecessarily until absolutely necessary. That being said, I do think Pain is easily the only real candidate to come out of that free-for-all for Itachi to have to face, and frankly it's a close battle from there. If Pain still has all 6 paths and Nagato is running at least okay on chakra, Itachi probably loses albeit probably taking out most of the paths in the process. But if Pain does have at least a couple of his paths taken out for good along the way, Itachi does have a valid win condition at that point. But the dude also took out the entire Leaf village without losing any of his paths until Naruto, so the odds of him losing any of the paths might be relatively slim. Also Sasori lasting as long as he does is insane considering most of these fighters, maybe outside Hidan, would understand pretty quickly that if his main body is taken care of he's done. I don't think Sasori would have the capacity at all to fend off most of the Akatsuki going after his real body, considering he's not exactly known for speed and mobility.
Amazing video well done. Even tho itachi and sasori are my 1st and 3rd favorite of the entire anime. I do think deidera has a good chance to will if he plays smart and not go for itachi first. He's not dumb. I think his first action would be to take the the sky and just rain down bombs. Maybe kakazu and sasori can chase him down using his mask and puppets but that may be too much of a time waster
I personally don’t think sasori would leave itachi to fight with kakuzu and hidan. I think sasori would see the benefit in allying with itachi and the three of them would kill pain.. then it would be itachi vs sasori
nahhh i don't see itachi and sasori having enought trust to team up, i think itachi stays alone in the fight or maybe teams with kisame but itachi is a bit to dangerous for sasori to just approach, sasori might be able to be affected but itachis genjustu as well idk how it interacts with his puppets
Tbh even if Obito was including I doubt he would won unless he had days worth of prep time, stay away from the battle entirely or possibly acquire the Rennegan ahead of time. The problems are Itachi, Konan and Nagato were already well aware that Tobi was a huge threat to certain activities of the Akatsuki. Nagato plan to sell him out after capturing the 9 tails anyways according to some Konan statements during his battle against her. Another thing is who would Kisame favour Itachi or Obito because he seem loyal to both but he has greater respect for Itachi. I do see Itachi using a genjutsu on Kisame which would later make him come to his senses that Tobi cannot be trusted. Sasori, Kakuzu and Hidan hates everybody in the organization. Only Zetsu would be his only partner since Deidara always listen to Sasori despite deidara not liking Itachi. Itachi and Konan already knows how his Kamui works since he always uses it infront of them regularly that's how she counter it during their battle. Now since we can safely say most if not all the members of the gang would rather listen to Nagato than Tobi since Nagato was the face they knew of the gang the real question is how well Tobi would do against all members of the Akatsuki who are much more powerful together than the 5 Kages he faced during war arch. We also must ask would this battle be before start of Shippuden because if it is then Either Itachi or Obito would win simply because they have the most complex one shot abilities in the series up to that point and would catch everyone off guard if during Shippuden then Nagato or Tobi wins because they now have Intel
@@czechw.7333 itachi would be an issue. His intelligence and adaptability would make it hard to call. I assume he plans better than them all. It's out of Pain, Itachi, or Obito who wins (Kisame is a honorable mention). If I had to guess, I'd say Itachi takes it, if not Pain tho. More often than not, Obito isn't winning.
1. This fight uses the assumption they don't listen to each other 2. Obito is stated to be stronger than pain which puts him above itachi 3. Obito can wait in kamui till everyone except pain is dead (pain slams the rest) then he beats up Nagato or just kills the paths of pain.
@@thomasstone502 Obito isn't stated to be stronger than Pain, infact Obito is the one that believed Pain to be invincible. That was a statement he made, and he would certainly know. Also, Nagato is one of the most powerful sensor types in the series, in the sense that not only would he be able to sense where Obito is, but also what ocular ability he's using. He demonstrated this ocular sensing ability against itachi, and when he was relaying the exact location of Kabuto to Itachi, despite Kabuto having erected a barrier to stop exactly that from happening. So What this means is that Obito won't be able to sneak up on him, and Nagato will know when Obito has his intangibility active or not, which means that Obito is f'd against Nagato. The only way that Obito has a chance here is if Nagato is really low on chakra, otherwise he'll have to just run away.
interesting video idea, just very hard to make it make sense. you did a good job approximating what might happen, but it's one of many equaly likely scenarios. i can see itachi winning if everything happens exactly as you say, but overall he is one of the least likely candidates to win imo. most other scenarios will see him run out of stamina. why should he be healty here, kishimoto gifted him huge talent, but also sickness, all parts of him. coming from a huge itachi fan.
Something to add in Sasori's favor and correct me if I'm wrong but the Susanoo can't protect against gas attacks. So Sasori could just release ton of poison gas around Itachi and wipe him out. If anything Sasori should just flood the whole battlefield with gas right from the beginning as that could potentially take care of everyone but Hidan and Pain well leaving the bodies in good condition to be made into puppets.
Itachi riders are crazy 6 paths of pain absolutely destroys itachi low diff genjutsu would be useless cause genjutsu doesn’t work on rinnegan users and not to mention there’s 6 of them so their all practically ultra instinct cause they can see everything Amaterasu wouldn’t do anything cause pain could absorb it sussano’o wouldn’t be much trouble cause it could be absorbed as well I see no possible way itachi leaves that fight alive zero chance
I know Konan is excluded but like……how would most ninjas even be able to beat her? She’s intangible in virtually every fight, and unless she faces a genjustu user, she can’t really be pinned down. I’m not saying she’d win or could nab a lot of kills, but like, I think the majority of ninjas cannot even touch her at all. Her paper technique is similar to izanagi and obito where she’s not touchable unless she runs out of chakra, which is how she died.
Are we sure that Hidan wouldn't just let himself get grabbed, then injure himself, along with the person holding him? That's enough to start the ritual, And I also like to think, that if Hidan performed a ritual on Kakuzu, and using his rod, on his heart, how do we know it wouldn't take out all 4 hearts at one? They are all connected, are they not?
Pain would win. For many reasons, but one of the biggest is itachi himself said he is evenly matched with Jaraiya, and pain beat him. Another big reason is itachi hasn’t enough stamina
no way y’all think itachi beats pain 😭 edo itachi (without stamina issues and no illness) was struggling so hard against edo nagato, and he had kcm naruto and bee on his team.
i think u are very much underrating pain and konan personally i think pain wins and itachi being second espeically given he will be targetted unlike pain
itachi vs pain = PAIN STOMPS bro Itachi didnt use his meds for a VERY short time and was basically committing suicide after using the ms and susanoo for a short time. Even though he was holding back A LOT he aint doin nun to Pain
ok what speed feats does pain have. an itachi who is 99.999% blind and had like 0.000000000000002% of his chakra left reacted to kirin and blocked it which is the speed of lightning. tell me what feats does pain have to suggest he moves at lightning speed and even if you can tell me this tell me how he would keep up with itachi at full power who would be multiple times faster than lightning? if you cant do this then itachi speed blitzes pain puts amatarasu on all of them and once the absortion path absorbs it and the deva path blows it off of him he goes into the susanoo and fucking wacks both of them with susanoo. just because their implied to be very relative in speed doesnt at all mean they are so itachi stomps no diff. although itachi does come out of that fight with almost no vision or chakra.
@@itachikamui966 Naruto's sage mode was able to out reflex the 3rd Raikage, who was considered to be superior to the 4th Raikage, and the Pains easily keeping up with Sage mode Naruto proves that they are indeed very fast. Also, the feat with Kirin hitting Itachi was telegraphed. There was a gather of storm clouds etc... So Itachi knew exactly what was going to happen, and thus he was prepared to block the attack before hand. This isn't even remotely the same as moving at the speed of lightning, reacting to something you don't see coming. Also we've seen Itachi fight with Naruto, Bee, and Kabuto, at no where near lightning speeds, and in the case of Kabuto, he had no reason to hold back his speed. So basically no, Itachi doesn't speed blitz the Pains. The Pains Beat Itachi pretty easily actually.
Nagato was being controlled by Kabuto; people always say that Reanimation go all out but this is proven untrue in various situations. When being controlled they use jutsu based on either orders or stand by defense however their will to fight is suppressed costing them a psychological edge or debuff in some instances. When Mu used particle style to fissure Kabuto tried to use particle style which is something Mu would have normally known is unusable just as Nagato only used jutsu to defend or on a direct order. Had Nagato been in control of his body and wanted them dead the fight more than likely would have played out very different.
Kabuto actually forgot that Nagato couldn't use his legs before he was sealed by Itachi. So Kabuto himself gave him a commend to escape using his legs which he couldn't do. Left to his own devices in the same situation, Nagato could have just pushed himself around the battle field as he did against Bee in that same battle. So Yes, If Nagato wanted to kill them, and he was in charge of his body, nothing could have saved Itachi, Naruto and Bee.
might just be me but playing out this exact scenario Itachi ass would be or almost be blind right after fighting pain just from Susanoo and amaterasu spam, we saw how sasuke doing this exact same thing and ended up blind just from how much strain susanoo causes so while he'd most definitely would have the chakra to fight sasori. he would either be completely blind, or nearly blind to the point of leaving too many blind spots open due to how blurry his vision would be, this actually gives Sasori what he needs cuz while itachi Yata mirror is absolute , the back of the susanoo is still wide open, and since we know sand can get passed a susanoo from gaara yeeting madara, Sasori could trail the sand behind the susanoo to abuse itachis lack of vision, imma have to give Sasori the win here, man truly was the dark horse especially when you consider mass chaotic fights are technically what he prepared himself for
21:20 I don't think orochimaru even tried to dodge itachi's blade. He was basically immortal and scoffed at the attempt before he realized it was a sealing blade. Also Deidara had his eye resistant to genjutsu also effectively evaded it against Sasuke. Not sure how easily he'd be gotten again.
It seems to me there's always a common pitfall of these RUclipsr Naruto analyzers. They all seem to think Itachi somehow is beating pain. Ignore the fact that there's dozens of other S-Class ninjas here to take up Itachi's focus and chakra, in a 1v1 he still can't beat pain. I very much doubt that pain, who has six different people with six different abilities all with connected vision, can summon huge animals randomly, can literally revive other pieces of himself from the dead, can destroy a whole city at low energy by putting his hands in the air, can beef with the literal Ninetales AFTER destroying a city AND BEEFING WITH EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THAT CITY, can no diff KCM Naruto and killer bee at the same time in weekend Edo State while controlled by a person who doesn't fully know his abilities, has a rinnegan (its stated rinnegan can resist the infinite sukuyomi), AND has his body hiding far away that nobody knows about. I mean, I'm just saying. That seems a little ridiculous to me.
I think the entire community would agree Edo Itachi has better showings than his alive counterpart. It overcomes all his sickness and low stamina, he’s undoubtedly stronger
Hidan vs Pain would be interesting because Hidans Immortality just isn't properly explained in contact with Pains abilities. Like: when Hidan can only die of malnutrition, does that mean he's immune to the Human path?
Yea. The paths are really well suited for fighting someone with bad endurance, especially the animal path, sure he can use amaterasu but eventually he'll run out of steam
Instead of trying to find justification for characters to want to fight each other you can just say that it is a Jutsu that replicates the person 100 percent power and knowledge
I really like you as a content creator but tbh you are really bias for itachi, in every battle he is in you always try to give him the best possible outcome or even using prime itachi wich is not really fair at least in my opinion
No kidding There's no such thing as healthy Itachi. The closest thing to a healthy Itachi is the one we see in part 1, who got heavily exhausted after using Tsukuyomi twice and amaterasu once, he even deactivated his sharingan. The strongest version of Itachi by far is Edo Itachi. Pain should have won this free for all without question.
@@agentd.0096 he wasn’t exhausted he was faking it so he didn’t have to kill Jiraiya. As seen in the show, Itachi was loyal to Konoha, so he didn’t want to kill Jiraiya. He managed not to by lowballing himself, saying he’s too weak (when sick Itachi would murder sage Jiraiya low diff), and that’s he’s exhausted
@@Umarohh True heathy itachi would lose to pain and obito due to them being able to just outhax him. Pain is immune to tsukuyomi due to having a superior dojutsu and he's able to absorb amaterasu and ragdoll itachi with shinra tensei. ITachi can't seal pain because pain is a lot more mobile than edo nagato. Pain just outlasts itachi. Obito is just stronger than itachi
zetsu states that it's unthinkable that pain would lose to anyone, so there's no need to plan for a scenario where pain loses. Zetsu knew about itachi how strong he was in his his prime. He knows the strength of every kage, but pain losing. Not happening. Even if itachi was in his prime. If he beat pain (he won't) he'd become a target for everyone that causes him to lose because he can't hold the susanoo up for so long. Eventually sasori could sneak up a puppet or something else into his susanoo through the ground. Or itachi just runs out of stamina. Pain beats itachi and then stomps
Before I watch: I like itachi but this is not his typical optimal scenario. The only way I see him coming out on top is if he can see the chakra going into pain and leaves to investigate. We've never seen a sharingan user really interact with the paths of pain so it's not out of the question but even if it happened pain would probably notice because vision hacks so they might straight up 1v1 while everyone else is killing eachother in the original arena. How that 1v1 goes I could make an argument both ways but it really all comes down to what you think prime itachi's stats are which is head canon at its purest. Post watch edit: I do that i favor itachi that hard in a 1v1 with nagato. Reason being unlike with when he fought nagato he has to expend at least 6 of his op 1 shots but most likely substantially more and IDK that using common perception of itachi's endurance I can justify that. I do have my own reasons for thinking prime itachi might have some cracked physical stats but let's set that aside fn. I think far more likely though, using standard, either pain comes out with less tools than he started with but still finishes off the stragglers or itachi comes out exhausted and is forced to disengage and arguably hunts down stragglers later but loses on bfr technicalities. TL:DR either pain wins or sassori kinda sorta but not really wins
I think Kisame could absorb the chakra from the iron sand and make it fall since it wouldn't be connected/controleld to sasori anymore through his chakra, like he did with Bee's pencil and his v2 cloak. Also I think Itachi would be have much less than moderate chakra after fighting pain from using susanoo. Still an Itachi dub most likely but I'd put Kisame in 2nd. He regens through chakra absorption and he'd keep doing that against sasori.
I think deidera would definitely go for itachi. He had been specifically training to beat him. For Sassori I assume he’d go for who’d make the best puppet. So maybe itachi or be interested in how the paths of pain work once he sees that they are being controlled like puppets. I think kakazu wants Kisame for his bounty, and samehada could sell $$. Hidan probably wants to kill the person he likes the most right? Or kill pain cause he calls himself a god. Either way he’s going to delt with easy. If Obito is in here I see him taking on pain while itachi has his hands full. So Obito&Zetzu vs pain&konan, itachi vs Sassori&deidera, Kisame vs kakazu.
Sassori and deidera are going to end up arguing, and itachi will likely exploit it and it will end up being diedera and sassori trying to kill each other while also trying to kill itachi for their own reasons. Sassori needs the body, diedera want to blow up his body.
Now either Kisame ends up fighting itachi, cause I could see him being fine with itachi being the one to kill him. Or itachi keeps Kisame alive and convinces him to take down 1 of the leaders with him.
17:01 Edo Itachi > “healthy” Itachi he can literally regenerate his body/stamina/ chakra while negating overusing his sharingan while non Edo Itachi can’t
@@rinneganofrage7206 It simply means he would have better speed Strength And overall reaction time With a considerable increase in MS usage time Edo itachi = sick itachi in speed and strength tho (or maybe slightly stronger) But edo itachi MS usage >>> sick Itachi’s for sure
Pain, obviously, unless Tobi participated and used some crazy kamui-based tactics to kill him, and he’d almost certainly need to use izanagi, Pain is just crazy strong and could solo the rest of the Akatsuki besides tobi, including Orochimaru, Deidara, Kakuzu, all of them. Only wild card is Itachi, but Pain could still beat him at full strength, depends if Itachi manages to work with another or manipulate another member with genjutsu. But I still think Pain wins. If the Akatsuki we had seen had power levels, Sasori might be 20k, Deidara 35k, Orochimaru 35k, kakuzu 25k, Hidan 5k, Kisame 50k, Itachi maybe 65k or 85k depends on what circumstances of the battle and who he’s fighting, and when we met Pain against Jiraiya and the Leaf and then Naruto and the nine tails, he would be around 250k, easily dwarfs any other Akatsuki member we had seen up until then, like it isn’t even close. It’s like the power scale when Madara was reanimated, no one was anywhere close to pain. Early Akatsuki members were in an entirely different league from the late ones like Kisame and Itachi, and then Pain/Tobi are both a whole level up from there
@@CanadianBoardCrew What I'm gatting at is a unclear part of Hidans Immortality. It is stated that he can only die of malnutriton, so he would have to survive this... somehow, if we go by that stadement
Itachi doesn't beat Pain I'm sorry. You mentioned Itachi will just Amaterasu pains summons..... ITACHI WILL GO BLIND AFTER USING AMATERASU ON 5 Summons. Plus the dogs can multiply themselves.... Susano is literally just chakra. Pain absorbs Susano like nothing. It was kabutos first time using a rinnegan. Kabuto used an almighty push on Amaterasu rather than absorbing it like what? Clearly he doesn't have pains experience with a rinnegan. Obito knows about itachi. Yet he still believed that there was no one that was able to defeat him. Heck he even admits that pain lost because he let Naruto talk him out of his goals. Pain isn't slow either. So what if Chibaku tenses requires the user to be close? Pain would just run to negato and use chibaku tensei on itachi just like he did with Naruto. Pain isn't dumb. He's a better sensory type ninja than itachi. The dude literally was able to sense an Amaterasu before itachi used it. SM Naruto was able to blitz 3rd raikage who's faster than 4th. 4th blitzed Amaterasu. Pain kept up with SM Naruto and had him defeated twice in SM and once in 6tails cloak. Nagato blitzed killer bee who has been rumored to be faster than 4th raikage..... Itachi loses if he fights pain. Itachi is strong yes but no where near pains level.
Commented before watching: my sleeper pick is Deidara hes a really tough matchup being such a solid long range fighter with tons of broken abilities. The only thing I could see really fucking him up with low diff is pains universal pull to get him within range.
Could you make a vid about itachi having the role of obito. Like they're flip flopped in each others shoes and how their mindsets would play a role. Imagine itachi being helping madera instead of obito and obito having to kill his clan.
@@Umarohh everything he gets out of his mouth is stupid i didnt even reach his conclusions. his just like those random top 20 strongest characters which put sakura as strongest 🤷🏻♀️
I literally busted out laughing half way through the video just imagining the ungodly chaos of that battle field lol. Just imagine some of them having a 1v1 and then deidara dropping bombs on them while, Hidan is chasing you around with a scythe and there’s some crazy puppet guy trying to put chakra strings on your back, while some shark dude is shooting tidal waves at you, and some Emo kid is trying to capture you in mind destroying Genjutsu, while some orange haired freak summons several giant mythical beasts while shooting gravity blasts at you that can break all your bones, etc...
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I think I could take ‘em on a good day
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Deidara consecutively dropping random bombs everywhere is enough to make me pay top dollar. I could easily see Sasori and Kakazu getting real pissed about that, and targeting Deidara first lol. Meanwhile Zetsu is somewhere random, taking it all in.
lmmfao insanity
Of course, Pain have to get nerfed to lose. As usual.
So Itachi gets to be healthy but Nagato doesn't? That's some definite favoritism. That's not the Itachi that was inside of the Akatsuki, you're literally putting in Edo Itachi from the war arc, yet nobody else gets their war arc feats?
+1 to this.
To be fair, Nagato was crippled right after fighting Hanzo, which was very early on in the akutsuki, most of the current members aren't even there. While itachi was at least still healthy for a bit after he joined
you're *
How would Itachi even know that Pain isn’t a real person? Naruto won that fight through extreme plot armour and knowledge from Jaraya, things itachi wouldn’t know.
I mean either way
Healthy itachi slams healthy nagato lol
I love how you can hear his favoritism radiating for itachi💀
^This. There is no way Pein is starting with all 6 bodies at once and losing so easily to Itachi. Summoner and Chakra absorption are pretty much Itachi's counters.
I love how he's like :
"Everyone is in character !"
But says He will be using a "Healthy" Itachi that based purely on the character of his prostate, because everyone knows having low ass chakra reserves is part of Itachi's character.
Might as well consider a "Healthy" Nagato, or a suicidal Deidara in the fight.
I don't think you need a healthy itachi for itachi to have a chance. But I'd give it pverall to Obito.
@@jauneork278 In this IF he based Itachi's character around a supposed healthy version of him that could spam Mangekyou like Sasuke had. Itachi in character simply does not have the stamina or firepower to fight the likes of pain. He could barely use his Mangekyou abilities without exhausting himself.
@@Ryuxun I'm going off of Sick Itachi. Not healthy Itachi. And the low stamina of 3.5 refers to sick itachi since itachi was sick when the databook came out.
Either way He used more jutsu than sasuke did in their fight and most of them were more costly. And Kirin didn't even use really any chakra so don't bring that up.
Itachi still had about as much Chakra as Kage summit Sasuke pre getting regened by zetsu and then Karin. Despite literally being hours away from a natural death.
The thing is this is a free for all and tactics/other akatsuki members will play a role in the battle.
Itachi isn't just going to battle a max strength pain. He'll swoop in and destroy him after he wastes a big attack on the others.
Aside from that it's a myth that the rinnegan is immume to ocular genjutsu. And as the rinnegan isn't even Nagato's own set of eyes Tsukuyomi should work on him.
I'm sorry but Pains idea of tactics have always been using big chakra and life draining attacks hoping it'll just oneshot people who are very good at surviving bs.
@@jauneork278 Itachi only used Susano and Amaterasu once and collapsed every time he did it. Sasuke spammed Susano and Amaterasu at the Kage Submit without Karin healing him. Fought the A, Mei, and then Ōnoki and then was out of chakra. Itachi has never shown that level of chakra. In OG Naruto he was exhausted after using Tsukuyomi twice and Amaterasu once. A healthy Itachi is still suffering from blindness if he abuses the MS.
@@jaas0225 Sasuke's Chakra usage when arriving at 5 kage summit with MS mostly full of light.
Sasuke channeled lightning into his sword at the start which isn't particularltly chakra taxing but still not negligable. Then he used a regular sharingan genjutsu. Chidori came next but it isn't too costly at this point followed by using and maintaining Susano'o ribcage which isn't that taxxing but is a steady drain. An amaturasu is used but it's a medium-small instant use. After that he coats His susano'o with amaturasu technically twice? which would cost a decent bit to use but it's quite brief and he deactivates everything after gaara's intervention. Then he uses 3 quick burst of amaturasu which is medium cost altogether and skeletal Susano'o briefly to survive a decently sized attack and some rubble whichnleaves him pretty low on chakra.
He uses a lightning infused sword briefly then uses a ribcage susano'o for a bit which leaves him almost completely drained and about to die.
That's 11 used of jutsu. 1 use of a medium-small quick shot Amaturasu which is instant using moderate chakra and 2 uses of smallish shaped amaturasu which lasted a total of about 4 seconds. Moderately high chakra usage each time. 3 quick amaturasu burst which I countnas 1 use, moderate chakra cost, 1 use of Skeletal susano'o for a few seconds which would cost large amounts of chakra, high chakra usage. 1 sharingan genjutsu which is small chakra usage. 1 quick use of lightning chakra sword and another use that lasts a while. Very small chakra usage and moderately small chakra usage. Keeping susano'o ribcage active for a while twice is high cost and a use of chidori is high cost.
Overall He used quite a bit of highish cost jutsu and then ran out of chakra.
Now for Itachi's Chakra usage while on his deathbed and with most of his light gone.
Starts off with a regular Sharingan genjutsu. small chakra usage. And then another Sharingan genjutsu to show Sasuke his version of the Madara story. small chakra usage. He then used a shadow clone. Moderately low Chakra usage. He then used a tsukuyomi. Very high Chakra usage. Itachi uses a very large fire style. Moderately high chakra usage. Itachi uses another Very large and long lasting fire style. High Chakra usage. Itachi Spams out constant large Amaturasu flames for about 5 seconds to overpower sasuke's fire style. Very Very high Chakra usage. Spams another contant stream of moderately large Amaturasu for at least 15 whole damn seconds straight. Insanely high chakra usage. He then activates his armored susano which is all but completely destroyed by kirin. high Chakra usage. Uses Skeletal Susano'o for a few seconds comparable to Sasukes use. High chakra usage. Evolves the Susano'o into an Armored Susano'o and waits for orochimaru for a while before engaging in a quick slug fest, waiting some more and then sealing orochimaru. He continues to keep the susano'o up for quite a while longer even while dying. until it reverts to a full body susano'o which he continues to hold up until his death. Massively high chakra usage. He then uses a sealing jutsu and amaturasu at the same time on sasuke before falling over dead. Moderate chakra usage.
That's a total of 11.5 jutsu. Most of which are higher cost and spammed for much longer periods of times than the ones sasuke used.
But Yes. Sick MS Itachi has low stamina 100%. So low of a chakra reserve in fact, that while on his deathbed he had as much if not drastically more chakra than a healthy MS Sasuke.
Itachi's 3.5 in stamina. Is again based on a very near death itachi. If healthy and allowed to train himself hard his whole life he would have had an absolutely monstrous chakra pool even for an uchiha.
His stamina is not low man.
Do I need to prove more?
Obito, Zetsu, and Konan coming back after an afternoon of hanging out: *Wtf happened here* ?
I read this title and I was laughing when I saw the No Obito part, and it was beautiful
I was DYING when he was talking about how they're just criminals and would kill each other for no reason whatsoever
He would lose anyways to sick Itachi
@@Umarohh lol
@@Umarohh someone has a brain tumor
@@Umarohh and itachi is overrated as a combatant. People think he scales to EMS sasuke because of the kabuto fight. And this isn't edo itachi. This is alive itachi
Edo Nagato was more placed on an auto reaction mode, more then him being fully in control of himself. The kages explained that when they were fighting Naruto, and we can see it cause Nagato’s eyes are dim. So even if Nagato did know about it, it was more his body was automatically moving rather then him thinking and fighting
That's true he was still stated to be stronger than pain in that mode tho, so technically his point still stands.
so he's ultra instinct against his will?
@@kokirimido3924 I am just saying Kabuto’s edo tensei control walked so Ultra Instinct Goku could run
Also before anyone says God Speed, or other techniques that work like Ultra Instinct, this is a joke, piss off
@@kakyoin2255 I read that panel, naruto didn’t say edo Nagato was stronger
@@SunShine-oe4rt He obliterated kcm Naruto and Killer B tho. I can't imagine pain doing it. Also I'm pretty sure it was said that Nagato is more powerful than pain somewhere in the series. If not then oh well I'm pretty dumb sometimes 😂 but I still agree with him being more powerful.
I don’t actually think that Sasori would go for Deidara, purely cause Deidara and Sasori have a mutual respect of each other through their art (this is shown in the Akatsuki book). I actually think Sasori would help Deidara against Itachi, or at least see that as more likely
maybe but i feel like they wouldnt trust each other enough to do that. they respect each other but they're not friends
@AntiLemonLame maybe actually now that I think about it, but you can argue that all of the akatsuki would be looking to team up on pain.
@@man275 I can see a threeway alliance being formed to try and take out Pain between Hidan, Deidara and Sasori (Maybe four if they paid Kakuzu enough) cause all of them have reason to hate Pain and Sasori might join in cause taking out the bigger threat he know he can’t beat alone
@@TheEternalFlame57 I can see that but I think Kakazu would just join them if he know
he’d have to either fight them, kisame potentially teamed with itachi, itachi solo, zestu, konan, or pain, he knows he’d definitely die eventually if he doesn’t join that team you mentioned. He loves money but this is a free for all so he is gonna have to fight. Unless he can appeal to a stronger team. Like itachi and kisame
I like how paying kakazu could maybe be a win con.
I'm sorry but there is no way Itachi would have enough Chakra let alone stamina to mind control Deidara, fight all six paths, AND still have enough Chakra for Sasori. Edo Itachi had unlimited Chakra and wasn't sick unlike alive Itachi in this scenario. I think the only way Itachi wins is if he somehow sets up Sasori for a long term Izanami after noticing Sasori favoring him throughout the battle. Sasori is just too damn deadly and has the tools for this. There is a reason Orochimaru tried to kill Sasori on the bridge with Kabuto while also being within running distance of Sasuke, who's Kirin would theoretically clap Sasori's Iron sand. The man was just too fucking deadly.
edo recharges your chakra it can still be over used and timed out
@@savageopress8552 His point still stands imo, since edo Itachi had far more stamina because of that
That "low" 3.5 in stamina refers to sick Itachi you know?
All we've really seen from him is a fight against sasuke where he spammed high powered Jutsu to purposely weaken himself while already just a day or so, maybe less away from a natural death. Add to that Sasuke having somenof Orochimaru's chakra and it's just BS that he has "No Stamina"
Dude used so much jutsu that he had to have had more chaka and stamina than Kage summit sasuke before he had been regened thrice.
Aside from that it was stated that this deathbed Itachi could have killed Sasuke at any point he wanted if he chose to. So Itachi could have used Taijutsu alone and maybe 1 or 2 meh abilities to kill Sasuke. Instead he spammed Amaturasu for like ten seconds straight. That'd basically completely drain sasuke too considering he was tired after using it once for an instant and coating his susano'o twice which again would only take less than a sec since once cast it basically stays there on it's own.
Sasuke was practically out of chakra after his brief clash with the Raikage and Gaara. and would have been killed by fricken Mei of all people if Zetsu hadn't intervene and regened sasuke a bit. Then Obito had to save him from Onoki and had Karin regen him again. Then somewhere around the Danzo fight he was regened by karin yet again.
That's the only reason Kage summit sasuke lasted longer than Itachi.
Give Itachi three regens have him go all out and but not overextend in hopes of dying to exhaustion amd then compare them.
But you're right. that'd be dumb... He'd use Kotoamatsukami on Pain. It cost about as much chakra as a tsukuyomi but having pain on your side is more than worth it.
@GATLA Well then he doesn't have stamima issues. His 3.5 out of 5 stamina was based on sick Itachi.
@GATLA I know but healthy Itachi doesn't exist, so everything about him is an assumption and I believe he wouldn't have enough chakra.
I’m supprised this guy can talk throughout the video with itachi’s nuts in his mouth
Pain easily negs itachi no matter the form healthy or not
bUt eDO NaGAtO iS mUCh StRonGeR THan paIN
Somebody hurt itachi bodies nagato or pain hahaha 🤣
@@qusayibra5441 Nagato was not fighting Itachi He was fully being controlled we know when edo aren't controlled they usually talk to tell people their Weaknesses so
@@demontrekunjan4635 delusional
The explanation as for how Itachi beats Pain is hilariously far fetched to be believable, otherwise good video.
He's like a kid narrating the fights os his toys.
It’s hilarious, how TF would he even know pain has the 6 paths? Everyone didn’t know the paths of pain were puppets until Jaraya gave them the information and even that Naruto vs Pain was filled with plot armour otherwise naruto wasn’t going to win if the show followed its own logic.
@@SAG3__ Becuase Pain is bringing out all 6 paths
@@SAG3__ Well if that fight followed logic Kurama would have beaten up Pain.
@@numberhunter62 It was supposed to be impossible to even move with Chakra Rods all over his body. Even the final move doesn’t make any sense. I could go on and on. Naruto isn’t the most consistent anime to ever touch the screens.
I'm glad you picked Sasori as a darkhorse to win it all. Nobody really respects him as a character because he "lost to Sakura" and died early, but they literally created a battle scenario where his master teamed up with a brute strength ninja who could cure his poison. Imo there's not a lot of people that could've beat Sasori at that point in the show in a 1v1. Orochimaru, Jaraiya, Pain, Itachi, Kakuzu, Guy might've been the only ones. I think even Obito would've slipped up since he didn't have rinnegan yet and wouldn't have known how dangerous he really was. Maybe Killer Bee because of the eight tails, but that's it for me.
Obito would still win if it was written because Kamui be like that and it might counter him although if he does get hit once again that written portion.
Yeah the way Kamui works Sasori would only be able to hit him if Obito let himself be hit for some random reason.
Common misconception: sasori and deidera are somewhat friends. Read akatski hiden for details.
What does it say
@@itsofficiallypluto3670 they actually became somewhat friends over their view of art, but I would suggest reading their chapter bc it’s rly good
Also Deidara running at Itachi seems unlikely. He's hot headed at times but usually he's analytical and rational, especially going into fights. I just don't see him being so narrow-minded that he goes for Itachi this early on, especially if Sasori is targeting him (which is also unlikely).
Itachi does not have EMS so he can t sustain the Susano nor spam other MS abilities. He would lose to Pain.
He definitely would
It can go either way
Seeing as itachi has very high biq so he can figure out pain's abilities
But i don't think he has the stamina to end the fight fast enough
So pain has a higher chance to win
i mean the fight isn’t gonna last for days
@@zomeiarkaan5696 he'd d i e after using the susanoo like 3 times
@@powersatrun3629 he said healthy itachi tho
There's litteraly no reason not to include Konan aside from laziness, she is a figter that could go for any member that could pose a serious enough threat, being an interesting match against Deidara. Healthy Itachi is not an character eather, even in part one just one use of tsukuyomi drained him. The entirety of the video about Itachi versus Pain is also unreasonable, so using it here is no better
I just don't see Itachi beating Pain in a 1v1 fight. Itachi managed to land the first hit of the Susanoo to save Naruto and B because he previously blinded Nagato's summons, which implicitly says Itachi knew he had to do that before he could sneak attack Nagato. Being that Pain has a greater field of vision than Nagato thanks to the 6 paths, Pain would be much more aware of Itachi's attack. In addition, saying that Edo Itachi is weaker than a healthy Itachi is relative, because eventually and thanks to the effect of MS, healthy Itachi will lose power, while the Edo maintains its strength intact, just invoking the Susanoo already requires a lot of effort and even if Itachi is able to summon it, Pain's structure's defense is too solid for Itachi to get through Tendo, knowing that it's even possible that the Sword could be absorbed into the Preta path. Tsukuyomi would not work on the Rinnegan as stated by Zetsu when he sees Sasuke block the Infinite Tsukuyomi and the Amaterasu is easily countered by the Deva Path or the Preta Path. Pain should win.
The thing is, Pain is much weaker then Edo Nagato, and Prime Itachi is much stronger then Edo Itachi, is prime itachi above Edo Nagato? idk, but Prime Itachi > Pain in terms of scaling, who wins, up for debate
@@UnknownUser-iy7yb Edo Itachi negates any physical draw back from over using Amaterasu Or Susanoo because the Edo tensei can regenerate unlike a hypothetical strong Itachi that can still run out of chakra
@@rinneganofrage7206 yeah no edo itachi has the stamina advantage, prime itachi is still physically more powerful then edo itachi, if you read the Akatsuki Hiden Novel, you will see that healthy itachi has a lot of stamina, not more then edo itacni obviously but he still has considerable reserves and could last long enough to take down pain if he plays his cards right, it all depends on if itachi can beat all 6 paths before nagato uses chibaku tensei
And to add on to what they are saying above^^^^ itachi would be able to do better than sage naruto at taking out each path of pain he has so much he can do and he is easily faster than both naruto and pain.
Chibaku tensei gets all members . It is over
Remember when Itachi used Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo once each against Sasuke, then died?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Remember when Kakuzu had all 5 Chakra nature's that could combine high level elemental ninjutsu attacks, fly around, and attack independently of Kakuzu?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Remember when Pain had a Preta Path, more than a few summonings, and could repel multiple Chakra blasts from 6-Tailed Naruto? Who could blow through Orochimaru's triple Rashomon with just 4 tails.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Remember when Kisame was reacting to Killer Bee, who himself could react to Jonin Minato at least 14 years ago? Or how about his Super Shark Bomb that could also absorb the Chakra out of other ninjutsu?
Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
Only problem with this comment is the killer bee thing, he didn't react to minitos speed, not even ay could do that and he's stated to be stronger than bee at this point, what bee actually did was predict/realized minito put a flying rijin seal on his testicle and planned for him to appear there, he had the knife ready when minito got there.
@@thomasstone502 Remember when Minato teleported onto Ay's back, and Bee was able to knock Ay out of the way of a point blank stab from a distance.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
@@thomasstone502 Remember when Minato put the flying Raijin seal on Killer Bee's testicle? I dont
thank you, someone has some sense
"testicle" 😂😂😂😂😂@@thomasstone502
I kinda think Kisame could take out Kakuzu reasonably quickly. I think he just scales considerably above Kakuzu. Killer Bee is closer to KCM Naruto, who I think is much stronger than Kakuzu. And Killer Bee would've lost to full power Kisame 1v1. And Samehada makes him stronger/regenerates him. How he goes against Sasori idk. But even if he does win and Itachi/Pain is waiting yeah he loses. These are fun man, keep it up!
I'd assume they all would instinctively go for the dojutsu users...
I agree 100%, I don’t think Kisame would have much trouble with Kakuza at all tbh; ESPECIALLY if he fused with Samehada
Kisama has insane durability, and he can put out A LOT of damage. Idk if Kisame would know about his hearts prior to the fight just because they’re both in the Akatsuki; but regardless if he did or not, I still think he’d be able to figure it out relatively quickly. I feel like he’d probably destroy his REAL(normal spot) heart and Kakazu would still be alive obviously lmao and Kisame would DEFINITELY figure it out once Kakazu stared using his masks or whatever. He would HAVE to use his masks against Kisame for sure too since Kisame can put out a lot more damage than Kakashi and then we’re; and Kisame has a lot more durability than anybody does in the Kakazu+Hidan fight
@@stevie7214 yeah, and the masks thwmselves don't really have much scaling as far as I'm aware. Like Kakashi dodged one of the mask's large area attacks pretty easily and I think war arc TenTen beats one or more pretty easily? (I don't remember tbh) Kakuzu will probably be forced to go into his defensive form pretty quickly into the fight, which I think Kisame could definitely defeat.
@@SubZer00fucksgiven I thought about this, but I don't think they would. Most of them don't even know Pain's abilities right? And I'm not sure how many know Itachi's. And I think they'd all find it more thrilling to avoid doing that even if they thought if it. I also low key wonder if Itachi and Pain could defeat the rest of them. That duo is totally absurd
I hate to break it to you, but the 6 pain will stomp itachi. Itachi runs on low chakra(shown in the sasuke battle which sasuke is inferior to pain) bro where as one pain can literally spam reviving technique. Not to mention all 6 paths share sight and the only thing that can hurt them is sage mode.
the sasuke battle is a bad example, that was literally itachi dying, thats like using the nagato on the chair, like... a prime itachi is more like when he joined the akautski or fought kakashi, because he wasnt blind or coughing up blood.
@@manny9191 I’m telling you brother he still loses. His whole bag is shuriken jutsu, fire ball, and the sharingan (Gen and susanoo). There 6 of the pain which he has no intel of. And before you bring up the genjutsu situation, it takes either another person to knock some sense back into you or release it. There are 6 of them
@@Sirskyyy im not saying anything about winning and losing just that you used a crippled itachi. Also from the war arc we see that itachi took seconds to figure out pains secret no ome told him anything yet he knew the eyes were connected. It wont be a stomp. Itachi would have tricks up his sleeve. Pervy sage did well against them and didnt know their secret. Itachi would figure it out right away. Idk how the fight would end but pain would have difficulty
He said he used the healthy Itachi in this fight , which is stronger than Edo Itachi that's why Itachi wins.
@@ahmedbokhari7048 eso itachi is stronger than healthy itachi bro 😂😂
Great video man! One of my favourites for sure. Couple things to address:
1. Itachi is not beating Pain without using a significant amount of chakra, if he even wins at all. First of all, pain can barrage him from long range with the Asura path, and the animal path would be a huge headache. We know itachi has chakra problems, imagine his susaano getting bombarded with rockets while he tries to Amaterasu 4 giant summons. Next, you said he could take out the deva path with the totska blade which I’m not necessarily ruling out, but that wouldn’t make the fight over. The more paths that die, the more chakra Nagato could pour into the rest to make them stronger, not to mention he would probably hide the Naraka path as a contingency to revive stronger paths when they die AND in a FFA he could probably get away with it. Overall, itachi is getting swarmed and worn down for sure. Even if he seals a path they are getting revived and almighty pushes will still do damage to the susaano. Not to mention you didn’t even mention Chubaku tensei in this fight which Itachi can’t destroy by himself and would neg a lot of akatsuki members. Pain also has the superior dojutsu so he’s not getting put in a genjutsu, PLUS paths can break eachother out of genjutsu PLUS the paths aren’t all affected by the same genjutsu. Overall an FFA is so in favour of pain, he scales to everyone in speed, has the best AOE attacks apart from Deidara and has top 3 AP in the akatsuki. If anything, he stomps. Oh and the nagato itachi fought had a crippled body and was being partly controlled by Kabuto so I don’t think it’s very fair to use speed scaling for him even if he was vaguely “stronger” as stated by naruto which could just mean he has better utilisation of his hax or more chakra. Pain is definitely the front runner in this battle.
Another main contention is the 3v3 between Sasori, Kakuzu and Kisame. With diamond release, Kakuzu isn’t getting touched by Sasori so in a 3v3 if the battle took place they way you said with Kisame getting poisoned, Kakuzu would come out on top because diamond release negs iron sand and the poison. Which brings me to my next point, Kisame is not getting hit by the iron sand, or the poison. Sakura and Chiyo were rarely hit and evaded ALL of kakuzu’s lethal attacks. And Sasori in speed scales nowhere concrete, the max you could do is scale him to a sick Oro who was on par w Hebi Sasuke. Kisame on the other hand scales above an amped Bee who beat MS Sasuke in BASE with help from taka. And Fused Kisame scales to a version 2 Bee who should be greater than the Raikage who is relative to 5KS Sasuke pre Danzo fight. So there’s levels to the scaling where Sasori just falls short. Kisame is dodging all his attacks and in the end setting up a water dome that negs both Kakuzu and Sasori via chakra absorption. Kisame In the water would just blitz them both or wait for them to lose all their chakra. Also if he launches an ultimate water shark bomb jutsu at anyone except for pain, that akatsuki member probably loses. The ultimate water shark bomb jutsu moves at the same speed as 7th gate guy’s hirudora and absorbs all jutsu. Oh yeah and lastly, Samehada is unlikely to be affected by the poison, it can absorb 9 tails chakra which is described as being poisonous in P1. And the AP it takes to pierce samehada’s skin is V2 Lariat level which nothing in Sasori’s Arsenal is strong enough to match.
And lastly here’s some random comments. Animal path is gonna be a bigger factor in this fight than you think, the summons gave Sage Jiriya trouble and there are some that have hax abilities like the dog and the chameleon with invisibility. That stuff would cause people like Deidara and Sasori huge problems. Deidara could bomb the dog all he wants but it would just grow more heads, and the bird could attack him from the air. Sasori’s poison also probably wouldn’t affect them because they are rinnegan creatures are corpses already (I thjnk because they reverted back to their OG forms when attacking the leaf despite already fighting jiriya earlier).
Anyways, overall this fight comes down to Pain and Kisame and pain probably wins because he can jump Kisame with the paths, absorb his jutsu with the Preta path and block his jutsu’s with almighty push. It’s possible tho that a Kisame amped by other peoples chakra could go fused in the water dome and trap all the paths. But even then, pain has some wacky ways to get out like almighty pushing himself or blowing himself out of thr water with thr asura path. It could possibly go either way depending on how u think they scale to eachother though.
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I didn't include chibaku tensei because the fight starts too far away for it. The deva path has to get close to Nagato for that.
I didn't consider that the water shark bomb could absorb the chakra out of the iron sand, making it lose it's integrity. That could be a win, but Itachi or Pain beats him.
@@New_Horizons Sounds good. What’s your email?
@@New_Horizons does a full power pain HAVE to be close to nagato to pull it off? I mean when he used it he was already worn the hell out and it doesn't it also depend on how big he would make it? Would it have to be as big as the one he made for the 9 tails?
He was already worn out before using CT.
If it’s a FFA I think Itachi would simply use amaterasu on the deva path after he uses shinra tensei to fend off against a large scale attack from someone else. In character Itachi is NOT going to take pain head on and I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone or almost everyone, began to work together to take down Nagato first.
Kakuzu stomps low to mid difficulty, Can’t stop that RAW DURABILITY
Yea he’s multi-continental
Fr. I also have CALC for that.
Here is the thing , Deidara could kill all , so if Deidara makes it far then.... , Kakazu could get sealed by Itachi , Pain is stronger...
Uh, not nessecarily
Also FTL+ speed
Holy crap the sheer amount of Itachi fanboying here is ridiculous. Not to mention the absolute ridiculousness of not having him be sick while keeping in every other Akatsuki member's greatest weaknesses/debilitating factors, or the fact that you misinterpreted nearly everything about Edo Itachi, Edo Nagato and how the characters would, for the most part, dog pile him with only a few exceptions like Sasori, Hidan and Kakuzu.
pain would beat itachi because itachi can't sustain the susanoo for long and pain knows about the toutshka blade which would leave itachi with next to no win con because the preta path can absorb amaterasu. After that pain stomps. If itachi beats pain he still loses to sasori due to being nearly bind and completly exhausted. Sharingan genjutsu won't work due to the fact that sasori doesen't have eyes. Itachi would need the susanoo to defend agains the iron sand and the 100 puppets wich causes sasori to outlast him due to the fact that itachi won't be able to cach up to sasori as he's running away from the susanoo.
I don't think that itachi can mind control deidara to fight the other members. Pain would just probably pull him off his bird and kill him.
All in all the fight depends on pain v itachi. If itachi beats pain sasori wins. If pain wins which is the more liklier option pain wins.
One thing that that i wan't to add is that i don't think that sasori would kill deidara. They have a mutual respect for eachother as artists. Sasori would probably just break him out of the genjutsu and the gang up on itachi and pain cuz they both are smart enough to know that they are the biggest threats. After they defeat them they,d kill kisame and kakuzu and then duke it out artist v artist which i think that sasori takes.
He said healthy itachi tho
Emo kid pain simp
Pain does not know about the Totsuka Blade, what ar u talkin about?
@@corterapidoetramontina2904 Black zetsu knows->obito knows-> pain knows. Back zetsu would not endager the plan when itachi is a spy.
At least my boy Sasori made it to second place.😺
Sum bs. Literally put him over pain 🦧
Fun idea but this is too neat and clean. I just have trouble seeing the Akatsuki facing off in these gentlemanly 1 on 1 duels. Also, I feel like either Pain or Kisame would be last man standing. Their Chakra pools are absurd. And even a healthy Itachi probably isn't going to have a supply that can match those monsters. But that's just me
These are S Class criminals. Also I feel like the addition of Zetsu, Konan and Orange Mask Tobi would make this fight even more absurd for a future video.
Pain mid-diffs Itachi, he doesn’t have the durability and capability to fight 6 Paths of Pain at once.
what dont you think he has it when edo itachi can combat nagato bee and naruto. sage naruto had no problem fighting the weaker paths of pain. edo itachi physically should compare to sage naruto in ovr athletic ability and he is miles ahead intelligence. the only thing pain can real do is pull him in and itachi could counter that in multiple ways. doing something as simple as pulling out susanoo ribcage to cut his arms off, he might be able to just punch him in the face and knock him down if you wanna get ridiculous, since he just scale over pain
@@man275 Edo Itachi only beat Nagato because Nagato was controlled by someone who didn’t know how to use him (Kabuto forgot he can Chibaku Tensei) and because Nagato was fighting Bee & Naruto
Itachi snuck a cheap shot on him when Nagato had all his hands full. If Nagato starts out the fight in a 1v1, he stomps. Same with Pain.
Chibaku Tensei is a gg, Devastating Shinra Tensei is a gg, Itachi cant deal with all those summons nonstop, the Asura path is lethal (it yanked out Sage Jiraiya’s arm quick easily), etc. Yata mirror can’t protect him because it’s omnidirectional. Pain would just overwhelm him from all angles before the Deva path has to get involved, and he can just Bansho Tein him into the Preta path to absorb chakra or the Human path… gg.
@@tomato2517 I disagree I don’t think he’d have trouble with any of the other pains as you say, they looked really deadly against the leaf and jiriya but itachi than on a different tier them, he could kill them so quickly with Amaterasu, exploding clone set ups etc. and evade swarms/ aoe attacks. He also could genjustu for single pain for a defense into counter attack to potentially take them out. The diva path with be a different story since I think he’d be the only one that could dodge the sealing blade and Amaterasu a few times but just see itachi being able to deal with with him. Nagato itachi and pain are all around the same level in my eyes tho It’d be a fight
@@tomato2517 if pain uses chibaku tensei idk what itachi would do tbh but itachi could also kill pain before it gets to that point by sealing or tsukuyomi
@@man275 so first I just want to say when Naruto and bee were fighting against Edo nagato and itachi, Naruto was trying to extract information. You can see he's trying to have a conversation with Itachi, definitely not going all out. Itachi is on auto response and so cannot control his movements, I think it's safe to say Naruto at worst is up to par with Edo Itachi in speed, at best above him. Edo Nagato was 100% no diffing a 2V1 with killer bee and Naruto. Itachi was the only reason they survived, and had the only strategies against countering nagato's jutsu and defeating him. This might lead you to think he could defeat nagato, but my counter to that is twofold. Itachi used his strongest long range attack along with Naruto and killer bees in order to dispel the chibaku tensei. It's doubtful that he alone could just throw a fireball at it and have it blow up even in its early stages. Nagato is on auto response, but I think it's clear he is not as maneuverable as an Edo tensei. Also, nagato literally just sat there and let himself get stabbed by the tostke blade. I'm not saying Itachi has no chance of hitting him, but without the extra distractions/Edo control and people fighting I very much doubt regular non edo nagato, let alone one of the paths of pain in an extremely complicated battle like this one, would get hit with the toteske blade. Itachi's strongest argument for victory here is a 1v1, and honestly I don't think there's a high percentage chance of him beating six paths of pain. Hell, he didn't even know about nagato's real body until they were revived and teamed up. As a side note, tsukuyomi is not working as rinnegans can block the infinite tsukuyomi. Even if they could, in this battle pain 100% takes it. He has the crowd control, stamina, arsenal, and most importantly just raw power. If he shoots himself above the battlefield and uses chaotic shin-ratensei, I don't know who is surviving but it's not everyone.
Free-For All...
I see...
Dreamed...
Ok, so that's 2 reasons on why Obito wins.
1: Play Lame win game and beat the final tired foe.
2: What they said in the vid.
Konan just gets negged instantly so that's why these 2 are excluded to make it more fun.
My idea for this What-if idea is that Obito just teleports away planning to see if he can get the survivor on his side or at least to work with them even if they don't wish too...
And Konan would be staying by Nagato's body.
HAKI!
I actually assume Deidara might die early.
If Kakazu and Sasori want to target him but he wants to target Itachi.
HE might get finger Genjutsu'd or just straight up Genjutsu'd and Sasori and Kakazu might snipe him down with long range attacks leaving them defeated.
Itachi in his Susanoo most likely wins in that case since he might be able to tank or Mirror that and he's smart enough to possible figure out how too...
Yeah I think Kisame might want to target Itachi but might realize he shouldn't right now and should focus on taking the others out absorbing their Chakra and becoming a beast who can't be defeated by Itachi.
The issue is that even at that point Itachi's Mangekyo might be enough to deal with Kisame although if somehow he gets that scenario and has the water dome he might win especially if Pain is gone.
Itachi would be able to use his Susanoo and might be able to find some way to break the water dome by explosive power with Yasaka or if it's a Jutsu that his mirror can deflect/disrupt/absorb in a way.
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Itachi underrated in his stamina knowing that he still outlasted Sasuke while abusing Mangekyo abilities in their fight and then still took out Orochi although I do agree that he's not gonna last forever I think he's smart enough to not pick fights really play defensively and go offensive when he needs to...
Orochimaru is he in this battle?
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Yeah I would count that as a loss for Nagato.
Pain the Favorite and Sasori the Dark Horse...
Itachi might be that one who is the gimmick and the rest well besides Deidara and Orochi if he's in this are kind of maybe they can win assuming things go right.
Hidan most likely just dies.
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BATTLE!
Deidara...
Really shouldn't have chosen that foe.
No not the 3rd wheel!
3 WAY DEADLOCK!
Let's GO!
lol you excluded obito for that reason he's to cracked especially if they dont team up on him
Without even watching the video first, I know new horizons just going to pick Sasori...
He didn't
@@Khanfoos1389 2nd place, I was close lol
The fact that u have to nerf pain so hard just to make itachi win🤣 just speaks that u yourself know the true outcome smh,
I find it so funny a death match with multiple people was shorter than deciding someone's gender XD props tho.
Konan is broken. She basically acts almost like obitos kamui when It comes to not being able to get touched
Sasori would lay back and hit with poison attacks when he sees an opening so he can have an Akatsuki scroll for his collection.
Another well thought out entertaining video, thanks!
Excluding obito was such a smart move😭
They he would've won
ong he's too cracked
@@czechw.7333 And he's broken. Not fun for meaningful discussion when the mass murderer will stomp each and everyone else
Obito after the free for all
Obito:what the hell happened
Idk about your constant comparisons between nagato and pain and whether they made sense. Pain is far more mobile and less confused then nagato. Without a smokescreen pain would be able to dodge the totsuka blade considering he knows about it. Also if itachi manages to insta chop deva(not seal since there just corpses in which is a important difference) the other paths would retreat and then as long as the naraka path is up it can come back later and revive the fallen deva path and then its gg cause he will immediately use chibaku tensei. It doesnt really matter then nagato was more powerful in terms of attack potency cause his issue of mobility is completely fixed when using the corpse puppets.
Considering this is a free for all itachi HAS to defeat naraka and the deva in order to defeat pain. And I don’t think itachi will find out which is the king of hell pathway in time. Deidara wouldn’t have forced the pain to show it.
This just reminded me that deidara is actually pretty broken
I saw someone mention this, but it makes sense. If everyone is fighting, they would be a lot of blood on the ground. When that happens, Hidan can just use his technique.
I'll never understand why people use a healthy itachi when there has never been a healthy itachi. And they use his edo feats when those feats were greater than his alive feats because itachi was always sick. Edo itachi will always be greater than alive sick itachi so idk why people always use edo itachi feats when he can spam his sharingan abilities never loses stamina and doesn't have to worry.
you could use the itachi from part one even tho he doesnt have feats and just saw he scales to edo. people do healthy itachi so we dont have to say he doesnt last a match do to crazy low stamina. everyone like itach so we dont want him going out sad. but yk if it was a debate healthy itachi arguments wouldnt hold up
They use edo itachi as a guide to what an alive/Healthy version of Itachi would be like. Yes the edo tensei version is stronger than The dying Itachi we see in shippuden, However Edo Itachi is only stronger due to having no stamina issues.
With this being said Edo tensei’s are weaker versions then when they were alive. It’s actually possible that a Healthy version of Itachi just outclasses the Edo version completely.
Bare in mind the sharingan was probably making his terminal illness worse, especially the mangekyo hence why it might have seemed like his stamina was trash.
@@darkvoidswrath958 yea he was literally about probably about to die the next day when he fought sasuke
@@darkvoidswrath958 so you're saying healthy itachi would be as fast as the yellow flash since edo itach kept up with kcm naruto who was faster than the raikage who had gotten faster since the third ninja war. I don't buy it
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No…. Where did you get that? Being stronger or superior doesn’t necessarily mean your faster… Regardless of that whether you believe it or not, The fact remains that Itachi was able to fight KCM Naruto and Killer Bee Back to Back.
I’m saying the edo version of Itachi would just be weaker in general compared to an healthy alive version. The only reason he was stronger then his alive counterpart was because he didn’t have to deal with a crippling illness and the stress of his Sharingan.
Besides Minato relied on hax and his reactions/reflexes more then he did raw speed. This was a guy who could react to and teleport in the middle of S06P Madara and Night Gai’s attacks to stop what would have been a killing blow. I highly doubt KCM Naruto was actually faster than Minato when he outsped the Raikage, especially when the Raikage had still considered Minato to be faster then him.
another possibility would be Hidan kills Kakuzu and Kisame gets distracted by Sasori. Then if Hidan doesn't know about Sasoris poison he would definitely let Sasori stab him and then be paralysed for the next 3 days or until his body gets rid of the poison and he would just stand there in the middle of the fight, probably being ignored by everyone or maybe used by Itachi who would force feed him blood and activate his curse
ooo that's a interesting thought. Hidan is only immune to dying from bleeding. Since he doesn't regenerate (he needs some stitching to get his limbs back), he might be able to die from sasori's poison.
Deidara especially trained his eyes or whatever to withstand the Sharingans Genjutsu. At least I remember him saying something like that in the fight against Sasuke. Cool video.
I willing to bet Itachi would have to use Tsukiyomi to get Deidara
Probably impossible to do, but, can you find some way to do a free for all with the sound 4( maybe with Sasuke and Kimimaro).
Kimimaro used to beat the sound 4 by himself. So if kimimaro is healthy he wins.
@@New_Horizons oh, forgot bout that...
You guys are lucky for this topic because I asked for it
The itachi part had me confused, was the sickness during part 2 shipppuden so he should be weaker as a result of stamina etc compared to his esp version.
I really enjoyed this video a lot (yeah comment on a 3-month old video whatever I just finally watched it), I think my main issue is the basis that the fight would divide into 1v1's or three-way fights. Unless this happens in like a Hunger Games-sized playing field, the battle is more so going to be a kill-all-attack-all type of situation for a lot of these people. I don't actually think the end result of Itachi coming out on top is out of the question, but it certainly wouldn't be through a 1-on-1 with Pain, at least not all 6 paths at the same time. One of Itachi's greatest strengths is analyzing the weaknesses of attacks and enemies as a whole, so he very much likely knows his own weakness (endurance). He's also a pacifist, so I do think he's the likeliest to stay hidden in the shadow for as much of the fight as possible and not burn up his chakra unnecessarily until absolutely necessary. That being said, I do think Pain is easily the only real candidate to come out of that free-for-all for Itachi to have to face, and frankly it's a close battle from there. If Pain still has all 6 paths and Nagato is running at least okay on chakra, Itachi probably loses albeit probably taking out most of the paths in the process. But if Pain does have at least a couple of his paths taken out for good along the way, Itachi does have a valid win condition at that point. But the dude also took out the entire Leaf village without losing any of his paths until Naruto, so the odds of him losing any of the paths might be relatively slim.
Also Sasori lasting as long as he does is insane considering most of these fighters, maybe outside Hidan, would understand pretty quickly that if his main body is taken care of he's done. I don't think Sasori would have the capacity at all to fend off most of the Akatsuki going after his real body, considering he's not exactly known for speed and mobility.
Amazing video well done. Even tho itachi and sasori are my 1st and 3rd favorite of the entire anime. I do think deidera has a good chance to will if he plays smart and not go for itachi first. He's not dumb. I think his first action would be to take the the sky and just rain down bombs. Maybe kakazu and sasori can chase him down using his mask and puppets but that may be too much of a time waster
i love these videos, its as if youre keeping naruto alive, almost like another episode lol
Love ur channel
The Naraka Path would be so OP in the midst of this chaos.
Once he said healthy itachi and not healthy nagato I already know he was going favorite itachi
I personally don’t think sasori would leave itachi to fight with kakuzu and hidan.
I think sasori would see the benefit in allying with itachi and the three of them would kill pain.. then it would be itachi vs sasori
nahhh i don't see itachi and sasori having enought trust to team up, i think itachi stays alone in the fight or maybe teams with kisame but itachi is a bit to dangerous for sasori to just approach, sasori might be able to be affected but itachis genjustu as well idk how it interacts with his puppets
@@man275 I can see the logic in that
To my comment above i my idk how itachi make genjustu affects sasori since he’s a puppet
@@man275 right
Tbh even if Obito was including I doubt he would won unless he had days worth of prep time, stay away from the battle entirely or possibly acquire the Rennegan ahead of time. The problems are Itachi, Konan and Nagato were already well aware that Tobi was a huge threat to certain activities of the Akatsuki. Nagato plan to sell him out after capturing the 9 tails anyways according to some Konan statements during his battle against her. Another thing is who would Kisame favour Itachi or Obito because he seem loyal to both but he has greater respect for Itachi. I do see Itachi using a genjutsu on Kisame which would later make him come to his senses that Tobi cannot be trusted. Sasori, Kakuzu and Hidan hates everybody in the organization. Only Zetsu would be his only partner since Deidara always listen to Sasori despite deidara not liking Itachi. Itachi and Konan already knows how his Kamui works since he always uses it infront of them regularly that's how she counter it during their battle. Now since we can safely say most if not all the members of the gang would rather listen to Nagato than Tobi since Nagato was the face they knew of the gang the real question is how well Tobi would do against all members of the Akatsuki who are much more powerful together than the 5 Kages he faced during war arch. We also must ask would this battle be before start of Shippuden because if it is then Either Itachi or Obito would win simply because they have the most complex one shot abilities in the series up to that point and would catch everyone off guard if during Shippuden then Nagato or Tobi wins because they now have Intel
If he was in the free for all he would've most definitely won
@@czechw.7333 itachi would be an issue. His intelligence and adaptability would make it hard to call. I assume he plans better than them all. It's out of Pain, Itachi, or Obito who wins (Kisame is a honorable mention). If I had to guess, I'd say Itachi takes it, if not Pain tho. More often than not, Obito isn't winning.
@@blueisacolor7639 Obito could just hide in his Kamui dimension and let them kill each other before coming back to take care of the last man standing
1. This fight uses the assumption they don't listen to each other
2. Obito is stated to be stronger than pain which puts him above itachi
3. Obito can wait in kamui till everyone except pain is dead (pain slams the rest) then he beats up Nagato or just kills the paths of pain.
@@thomasstone502 Obito isn't stated to be stronger than Pain, infact Obito is the one that believed Pain to be invincible. That was a statement he made, and he would certainly know. Also, Nagato is one of the most powerful sensor types in the series, in the sense that not only would he be able to sense where Obito is, but also what ocular ability he's using. He demonstrated this ocular sensing ability against itachi, and when he was relaying the exact location of Kabuto to Itachi, despite Kabuto having erected a barrier to stop exactly that from happening. So What this means is that Obito won't be able to sneak up on him, and Nagato will know when Obito has his intangibility active or not, which means that Obito is f'd against Nagato. The only way that Obito has a chance here is if Nagato is really low on chakra, otherwise he'll have to just run away.
"I don't hear anyone sayong Sasuke has low chakra reserves."
The entirety of the internet since Boruto came out: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT? 🤔
Solid🤝🏼anyone who’s mad abt Itachi beating pain clearly needs to re watch Shippuden
interesting video idea, just very hard to make it make sense. you did a good job approximating what might happen, but it's one of many equaly likely scenarios. i can see itachi winning if everything happens exactly as you say, but overall he is one of the least likely candidates to win imo. most other scenarios will see him run out of stamina. why should he be healty here, kishimoto gifted him huge talent, but also sickness, all parts of him. coming from a huge itachi fan.
Something to add in Sasori's favor and correct me if I'm wrong but the Susanoo can't protect against gas attacks. So Sasori could just release ton of poison gas around Itachi and wipe him out.
If anything Sasori should just flood the whole battlefield with gas right from the beginning as that could potentially take care of everyone but Hidan and Pain well leaving the bodies in good condition to be made into puppets.
Itachi riders are crazy 6 paths of pain absolutely destroys itachi low diff genjutsu would be useless cause genjutsu doesn’t work on rinnegan users and not to mention there’s 6 of them so their all practically ultra instinct cause they can see everything Amaterasu wouldn’t do anything cause pain could absorb it sussano’o wouldn’t be much trouble cause it could be absorbed as well I see no possible way itachi leaves that fight alive zero chance
I know Konan is excluded but like……how would most ninjas even be able to beat her? She’s intangible in virtually every fight, and unless she faces a genjustu user, she can’t really be pinned down. I’m not saying she’d win or could nab a lot of kills, but like, I think the majority of ninjas cannot even touch her at all. Her paper technique is similar to izanagi and obito where she’s not touchable unless she runs out of chakra, which is how she died.
Are we sure that Hidan wouldn't just let himself get grabbed, then injure himself, along with the person holding him? That's enough to start the ritual,
And I also like to think, that if Hidan performed a ritual on Kakuzu, and using his rod, on his heart, how do we know it wouldn't take out all 4 hearts at one? They are all connected, are they not?
Pain would win. For many reasons, but one of the biggest is itachi himself said he is evenly matched with Jaraiya, and pain beat him. Another big reason is itachi hasn’t enough stamina
no way y’all think itachi beats pain 😭
edo itachi (without stamina issues and no illness) was struggling so hard against edo nagato, and he had kcm naruto and bee on his team.
there was no struggle, naruto and bee struggled
@@manny9191 ur right lmao
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Exactly KCM Naruto and Bee struggled against Nagato yet Itachi can beat the more mobile paths. It makes no sense.
Have you watched or read boruto because I would like to see a video on boruto genin vs Naruto part 1 genin
The Naruto genuine whooping they ass 😭
i think u are very much underrating pain and konan personally i think pain wins and itachi being second espeically given he will be targetted unlike pain
itachi vs pain = PAIN STOMPS bro Itachi didnt use his meds for a VERY short time and was basically committing suicide after using the ms and susanoo for a short time. Even though he was holding back A LOT he aint doin nun to Pain
ok what speed feats does pain have. an itachi who is 99.999% blind and had like 0.000000000000002% of his chakra left reacted to kirin and blocked it which is the speed of lightning. tell me what feats does pain have to suggest he moves at lightning speed and even if you can tell me this tell me how he would keep up with itachi at full power who would be multiple times faster than lightning? if you cant do this then itachi speed blitzes pain puts amatarasu on all of them and once the absortion path absorbs it and the deva path blows it off of him he goes into the susanoo and fucking wacks both of them with susanoo. just because their implied to be very relative in speed doesnt at all mean they are so itachi stomps no diff. although itachi does come out of that fight with almost no vision or chakra.
my whole reply aint even here thats crazy
@@itachikamui966 Naruto's sage mode was able to out reflex the 3rd Raikage, who was considered to be superior to the 4th Raikage, and the Pains easily keeping up with Sage mode Naruto proves that they are indeed very fast.
Also, the feat with Kirin hitting Itachi was telegraphed. There was a gather of storm clouds etc... So Itachi knew exactly what was going to happen, and thus he was prepared to block the attack before hand. This isn't even remotely the same as moving at the speed of lightning, reacting to something you don't see coming.
Also we've seen Itachi fight with Naruto, Bee, and Kabuto, at no where near lightning speeds, and in the case of Kabuto, he had no reason to hold back his speed. So basically no, Itachi doesn't speed blitz the Pains. The Pains Beat Itachi pretty easily actually.
Nagato was being controlled by Kabuto; people always say that Reanimation go all out but this is proven untrue in various situations. When being controlled they use jutsu based on either orders or stand by defense however their will to fight is suppressed costing them a psychological edge or debuff in some instances. When Mu used particle style to fissure Kabuto tried to use particle style which is something Mu would have normally known is unusable just as Nagato only used jutsu to defend or on a direct order. Had Nagato been in control of his body and wanted them dead the fight more than likely would have played out very different.
Kabuto actually forgot that Nagato couldn't use his legs before he was sealed by Itachi. So Kabuto himself gave him a commend to escape using his legs which he couldn't do. Left to his own devices in the same situation, Nagato could have just pushed himself around the battle field as he did against Bee in that same battle.
So Yes, If Nagato wanted to kill them, and he was in charge of his body, nothing could have saved Itachi, Naruto and Bee.
Tbh i dont really think itachi can put sasori in a genjutsu since he lacks the bio for it
Actually that's a really good point- I wonder if sasori is immune to genjutsu
Konan is slept on
lol picks his favorite, there is a shocker.
might just be me but playing out this exact scenario
Itachi ass would be or almost be blind right after fighting pain just from Susanoo and amaterasu spam, we saw how sasuke doing this exact same thing and ended up blind just from how much strain susanoo causes
so while he'd most definitely would have the chakra to fight sasori. he would either be completely blind, or nearly blind to the point of leaving too many blind spots open due to how blurry his vision would be, this actually gives Sasori what he needs cuz while itachi Yata mirror is absolute , the back of the susanoo is still wide open, and since we know sand can get passed a susanoo from gaara yeeting madara, Sasori could trail the sand behind the susanoo to abuse itachis lack of vision, imma have to give Sasori the win here, man truly was the dark horse especially when you consider mass chaotic fights are technically what he prepared himself for
21:20 I don't think orochimaru even tried to dodge itachi's blade. He was basically immortal and scoffed at the attempt before he realized it was a sealing blade.
Also Deidara had his eye resistant to genjutsu also effectively evaded it against Sasuke. Not sure how easily he'd be gotten again.
He said that Kakuzu wasn’t long range but he was spamming long range attacks when fighting kakashi
Those are mid range attacks
Kakashi himself Said that kakuzu is a mid range fighter
Would be crazy if itachi put Hidan under genjutsu and used his ritual as a weapon to kill other members after getting just one drop of blood.
It seems to me there's always a common pitfall of these RUclipsr Naruto analyzers.
They all seem to think Itachi somehow is beating pain. Ignore the fact that there's dozens of other S-Class ninjas here to take up Itachi's focus and chakra, in a 1v1 he still can't beat pain. I very much doubt that pain, who has six different people with six different abilities all with connected vision, can summon huge animals randomly, can literally revive other pieces of himself from the dead, can destroy a whole city at low energy by putting his hands in the air, can beef with the literal Ninetales AFTER destroying a city AND BEEFING WITH EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THAT CITY, can no diff KCM Naruto and killer bee at the same time in weekend Edo State while controlled by a person who doesn't fully know his abilities, has a rinnegan (its stated rinnegan can resist the infinite sukuyomi), AND has his body hiding far away that nobody knows about.
I mean, I'm just saying. That seems a little ridiculous to me.
I'm surprised you included Pain while excluding Obito. Solid video tho
Edit: Why no Orochimaru?!?!?
I think the entire community would agree Edo Itachi has better showings than his alive counterpart. It overcomes all his sickness and low stamina, he’s undoubtedly stronger
Healthy Itachi stomps. Unhealthy would mean he'd basically have to avoid most of the chaos and use genjutsu.
Healthy itachi isn’t even in the Akatsuki. Using the healthy form of a character is just giving him a buff because he wants itachi to win.
here would be the match ups imo
kakuzu vs kisame
deidara vs sasori vs itachi
hidan vs pain
Hidan vs Pain would be interesting because Hidans Immortality just isn't properly explained in contact with Pains abilities. Like: when Hidan can only die of malnutrition, does that mean he's immune to the Human path?
@@thelostcause1562 yeah also if kimimaru as a kid was able to destroy a path than hidan could be able to do the same
Pain, immediately: ALL MIGHT PUSH
Itachi isn’t beating pain and if he does he would have ZERO chakra. Worse off than the sasuke fight for sure
Yea. The paths are really well suited for fighting someone with bad endurance, especially the animal path, sure he can use amaterasu but eventually he'll run out of steam
At first I thought obviously obito, then read the rest of the title
Instead of trying to find justification for characters to want to fight each other you can just say that it is a Jutsu that replicates the person 100 percent power and knowledge
I really like you as a content creator but tbh you are really bias for itachi, in every battle he is in you always try to give him the best possible outcome or even using prime itachi wich is not really fair at least in my opinion
No kidding
There's no such thing as healthy Itachi. The closest thing to a healthy Itachi is the one we see in part 1, who got heavily exhausted after using Tsukuyomi twice and amaterasu once, he even deactivated his sharingan. The strongest version of Itachi by far is Edo Itachi.
Pain should have won this free for all without question.
@@agentd.0096 he wasn’t exhausted he was faking it so he didn’t have to kill Jiraiya. As seen in the show, Itachi was loyal to Konoha, so he didn’t want to kill Jiraiya. He managed not to by lowballing himself, saying he’s too weak (when sick Itachi would murder sage Jiraiya low diff), and that’s he’s exhausted
Yeah true healthy Itachi would stomp all of them individually including obito not really fair.
@@Umarohh True heathy itachi would lose to pain and obito due to them being able to just outhax him. Pain is immune to tsukuyomi due to having a superior dojutsu and he's able to absorb amaterasu and ragdoll itachi with shinra tensei. ITachi can't seal pain because pain is a lot more mobile than edo nagato. Pain just outlasts itachi. Obito is just stronger than itachi
zetsu states that it's unthinkable that pain would lose to anyone, so there's no need to plan for a scenario where pain loses. Zetsu knew about itachi how strong he was in his his prime. He knows the strength of every kage, but pain losing. Not happening. Even if itachi was in his prime. If he beat pain (he won't) he'd become a target for everyone that causes him to lose because he can't hold the susanoo up for so long. Eventually sasori could sneak up a puppet or something else into his susanoo through the ground. Or itachi just runs out of stamina.
Pain beats itachi and then stomps
Before I watch: I like itachi but this is not his typical optimal scenario. The only way I see him coming out on top is if he can see the chakra going into pain and leaves to investigate. We've never seen a sharingan user really interact with the paths of pain so it's not out of the question but even if it happened pain would probably notice because vision hacks so they might straight up 1v1 while everyone else is killing eachother in the original arena. How that 1v1 goes I could make an argument both ways but it really all comes down to what you think prime itachi's stats are which is head canon at its purest.
Post watch edit: I do that i favor itachi that hard in a 1v1 with nagato. Reason being unlike with when he fought nagato he has to expend at least 6 of his op 1 shots but most likely substantially more and IDK that using common perception of itachi's endurance I can justify that. I do have my own reasons for thinking prime itachi might have some cracked physical stats but let's set that aside fn. I think far more likely though, using standard, either pain comes out with less tools than he started with but still finishes off the stragglers or itachi comes out exhausted and is forced to disengage and arguably hunts down stragglers later but loses on bfr technicalities.
TL:DR either pain wins or sassori kinda sorta but not really wins
I think Kisame could absorb the chakra from the iron sand and make it fall since it wouldn't be connected/controleld to sasori anymore through his chakra, like he did with Bee's pencil and his v2 cloak. Also I think Itachi would be have much less than moderate chakra after fighting pain from using susanoo. Still an Itachi dub most likely but I'd put Kisame in 2nd. He regens through chakra absorption and he'd keep doing that against sasori.
Kisame's water would destroy all chakra threads and make sasory useless.
Im happy sasori wasnt underestimated for once.
Kakuzu would be top 3 he can fight on multiple fronts which is great
I think deidera would definitely go for itachi. He had been specifically training to beat him. For Sassori I assume he’d go for who’d make the best puppet. So maybe itachi or be interested in how the paths of pain work once he sees that they are being controlled like puppets. I think kakazu wants Kisame for his bounty, and samehada could sell $$. Hidan probably wants to kill the person he likes the most right? Or kill pain cause he calls himself a god. Either way he’s going to delt with easy. If Obito is in here I see him taking on pain while itachi has his hands full. So Obito&Zetzu vs pain&konan, itachi vs Sassori&deidera, Kisame vs kakazu.
Sassori and deidera are going to end up arguing, and itachi will likely exploit it and it will end up being diedera and sassori trying to kill each other while also trying to kill itachi for their own reasons. Sassori needs the body, diedera want to blow up his body.
Now either Kisame ends up fighting itachi, cause I could see him being fine with itachi being the one to kill him. Or itachi keeps Kisame alive and convinces him to take down 1 of the leaders with him.
17:01 Edo Itachi > “healthy” Itachi he can literally regenerate his body/stamina/ chakra while negating overusing his sharingan while non Edo Itachi can’t
I should have clarified there that he should be faster when alive.
Edo Itachi has better regeneration and stamina then healthy itachi, healthy itachi is still stronger and faster
@@UnknownUser-iy7yb how is Alive Itachi “stronger” if he can spam Amaterasu without fatigue
@@rinneganofrage7206 because in character itachi doesn't spam that he didn't even do it as an edo
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It simply means he would have better speed
Strength
And overall reaction time
With a considerable increase in MS usage time
Edo itachi = sick itachi in speed and strength tho (or maybe slightly stronger)
But edo itachi MS usage >>> sick Itachi’s for sure
I personally think hidan would be the only one to atkk another member.
something that sucks is that sasori didn't use all his scrolls so you cant really infer how strong he would be if he used it
U should definitely do an akatsuki vs hokage battle ! Minus naruto lol
Pain, obviously, unless Tobi participated and used some crazy kamui-based tactics to kill him, and he’d almost certainly need to use izanagi, Pain is just crazy strong and could solo the rest of the Akatsuki besides tobi, including Orochimaru, Deidara, Kakuzu, all of them. Only wild card is Itachi, but Pain could still beat him at full strength, depends if Itachi manages to work with another or manipulate another member with genjutsu. But I still think Pain wins.
If the Akatsuki we had seen had power levels, Sasori might be 20k, Deidara 35k, Orochimaru 35k, kakuzu 25k, Hidan 5k, Kisame 50k, Itachi maybe 65k or 85k depends on what circumstances of the battle and who he’s fighting, and when we met Pain against Jiraiya and the Leaf and then Naruto and the nine tails, he would be around 250k, easily dwarfs any other Akatsuki member we had seen up until then, like it isn’t even close. It’s like the power scale when Madara was reanimated, no one was anywhere close to pain. Early Akatsuki members were in an entirely different league from the late ones like Kisame and Itachi, and then Pain/Tobi are both a whole level up from there
Deidara go boom. GG
Hidan: laughs in immortal
@@thelostcause1562 hidan won’t exist after that explosion
@@CanadianBoardCrew What I'm gatting at is a unclear part of Hidans Immortality. It is stated that he can only die of malnutriton, so he would have to survive this... somehow, if we go by that stadement
Orochimaru didn't even try to dodge itachi. He just thought it was a regular sword so he let itachi stabbed him
Lmao, Itachi does not have the stamina to fight Pain at all, i can hear the saliva dripping off Itachi's balls through his microphone.
Itachi doesn't beat Pain I'm sorry. You mentioned Itachi will just Amaterasu pains summons..... ITACHI WILL GO BLIND AFTER USING AMATERASU ON 5 Summons. Plus the dogs can multiply themselves.... Susano is literally just chakra. Pain absorbs Susano like nothing. It was kabutos first time using a rinnegan. Kabuto used an almighty push on Amaterasu rather than absorbing it like what? Clearly he doesn't have pains experience with a rinnegan. Obito knows about itachi. Yet he still believed that there was no one that was able to defeat him. Heck he even admits that pain lost because he let Naruto talk him out of his goals. Pain isn't slow either. So what if Chibaku tenses requires the user to be close? Pain would just run to negato and use chibaku tensei on itachi just like he did with Naruto. Pain isn't dumb. He's a better sensory type ninja than itachi. The dude literally was able to sense an Amaterasu before itachi used it. SM Naruto was able to blitz 3rd raikage who's faster than 4th. 4th blitzed Amaterasu. Pain kept up with SM Naruto and had him defeated twice in SM and once in 6tails cloak. Nagato blitzed killer bee who has been rumored to be faster than 4th raikage..... Itachi loses if he fights pain. Itachi is strong yes but no where near pains level.
Commented before watching: my sleeper pick is Deidara hes a really tough matchup being such a solid long range fighter with tons of broken abilities. The only thing I could see really fucking him up with low diff is pains universal pull to get him within range.
But that would also pull the bombs closer too
Could you make a vid about itachi having the role of obito. Like they're flip flopped in each others shoes and how their mindsets would play a role. Imagine itachi being helping madera instead of obito and obito having to kill his clan.
I love how you say garbage with confident….
Okay buddy, what do you think would happen??
@@Umarohh pain would easily slam itachi and then slam anyone else that is left
@@Umarohh everything he gets out of his mouth is stupid i didnt even reach his conclusions.
his just like those random top 20 strongest characters which put sakura as strongest 🤷🏻♀️
@@darkdino12 but what is everything
@@josh0068 prove it dude, edo itachi beat edo nagato ON SCREEN, and healthy itachi is stronger then edo itachi????