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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- Karma Gad, Mansfield College, speaks in proposition of the motion that This House Believes British Museums Are Not Very British.
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British museum ❌
Chor Bazaar ✅
Ahaha cry more, how Brits slaved indians.😭😭
😂
Can't even save your own country from your government, cry louder !
In india we call them "Chor Bazar" literally means thieves market!
Interesting. In Spain there are gypsyisms (words taken and adapted from the Caló lexicon) with that same root chor- such as chorear, choricear (to steal) and chorizo (thief).
If the Young Lady were to make a similar statement in India, she would be asked to immigrate back to Egypt.
@@raxas7378 and that would be against freedom of speach, which is sacred to investigate the truth. If she is on the wrong, correct her with facts and teach her how to think.
@@youssef-lz8fj Freedom of expression is the keystone of modern democracy. That includes facts, and opinions held. She Is entitled to her opinion too . That is formed by fact and gut feel.
Ahaha cry more, how Brits slaved indians.
when the french discovered the Rosetta Stone it was being used as a rock in a fort. this cant be the best and brightest.
They are the brightest within the system cultivated. Malaysia has our fair share.
The people of western and northern europe prior to the renaissance would have used the Stone for that or worse. The people of Egypt aren't the same as they were and can't be judged as such. The only question to answer is what would they do with it now. Were you the best and brightest, you wouldn't need me to explain this fact.
@@Elmonsoon i dont know why you think thats relevant (or as true). the people who discovered it and their generations after by comparison to the country of origin and their generations after are the topic of discussion
@@Elmonsoon I'm pretty sure that if those countries ask for these artifacts back, they're going to do more with them than use them as rocks. Sounds like common sense to me.
Who told you that? It was built into an old wall and it had purpose. Why would they just use it as a rock? What history books are you reading?
I am from India. We have a lot of old stuff here. But we are more focused on the present and not so much on the past. I suspect that without British Archeology, much of our past would have been lost. I think many artefacts exist today BECAUSE some museum outside India took care of them. In fact, many of the great artefacts belonged to Kingdoms within India that do to exist any more. Who would you return them to? The Mughals? The current regime? The opposition? How can India lay claim to something that changed hands before India existed? Sometimes in our rush to create a post-colonial subaltern history, we tend to forget that there is a common humanity.
Its a tricky problem. The Europeans looted a lot but they also seemed to be more interested in the history of the cultures they were looting then the people or governments of those countries were at the time. Its not about showing off war spoils it shows respect for the ancient cultures and desire to understand them. The girl in the video used the example of the Rosetta stone, well the only reason we can translate ancient Hieroglyphics now is because the Europeans found it and figured it out. Before that it had just been sitting in Egypt for centuries being of no use to anyone. The fact that they were the ones who found it and figured it out means its part of their history now as well. I suspect the modern Egyptians might have an ambivalent attitude towards their past since it was pagan and they are all Muslims now as well.
The only reason these artifacts are still in existence today and not destroyed by all those 14th century third world throwbacks is because of the British and other European countries having the four site to take these precious artifacts out of an unstable regions of the world and bring them to more stable countries where they could be enjoyed for centuries to come.
Lmao regions made unstable by their own empire. If the British didn't impoverish and exploit them in the first place, they wouldn't become third world shitholes. India was the richest nation in the world when the Brits came a visiting. That's why they were so desperate to come to India in the first place. By the time they left, India was a 3rd world country with the average life expectancy of an average brown Indian person at 31 years, while that of a white Brit being 64 years. So, that should tell you all you need to know about the Empire caring about its colonies not half of what it cared for their own lives and prosperity. This idea that the Brits are doing any service to humanity by first plundering, looting, raping and pillaging and then patting themselves on the back because the people they destituted are selling their artifacts for a meal, is a sad joke. They were never theirs to take. The British museum should be filled with only things that originated in Britain. Point blank period.
So every museum in the world should return every thing that they have bought from the colonial period?
not all country is colonial tho
Bought? Bought? 😅
Bought...? for real....? like by wot means they bought 'Ramayana' and 'Mahabharata' scrolls, huh....? do u think that was buying?? that was straight up STEALING
Bought is different from took
Lmao, how many countries you think had a colonial past? Jeez, l4me 4ss argument
British museums: where we showcase our remarkable talent for borrowing things and forgetting to return them... for centuries!
@@jophy02 buying something or being offered something in a treaty agreement is not “borrowing” it. Have any examples of something we borrowed and didn’t give back?
I've heard that bulk of manuscripts that contained ancient knowledge of srilanka are also in British museums
@@RukshanJ having some artifacts in such world renowned museums are important for everlasting preservation of one's identity and heritage. I'm from Nepal and I'm thankful that many of our artifacts are safe in foreign museums with credits and proper descriptions. Countless artifacts, temples were destroyed in Nepal during 2015 earthquake so if those artifacts in those museums were in Nepal, there could've been huge probability that these artifacts got destroyed, buried and turned to ruins
@@aa6eheia156 Ridiculous. All evils can be justified and rationalized by your way of thinking.
@@user-bz8qe1lu2l if it does, then it is not evil, and then you should investigate if your labeling is a miss-conseption or a lie.
a propos of imperialism, modern egyptians speak arabic and are muslims as a result of arab imperialism
Too bad they'll never admit that Islam is a colonizing, invasive, propaganda spreading, and violently bloody empire just like every other human civilization that has ever existed since cavemen first started evicting Bears from their caves with sharp sticks and rocks.
Culture is much more than just language and religion. Switzerland official languages are French, German, Italian and their own language. Does that make them any of the mentioned nationalities? An easier example, are Americans considered English because they speak English?
Egyptian civilisation and culture is much more than that, something maybe beyond your comprehension.
Islam is a religion, Egyptians can be Christians ( More than 15% of the population) or atheists or anything, they would still be Egyptians.
@@CardiologyforeverChristians are less than 10% in Egypt.
@@Cardiologyforever islam is most succesful imperialism.... how does egypt become arabic and islam?
@@abuminnatur-rahman4198so its the muslims exclusively responsible for the female mutilation fgm in egypt? its 80% there, the only place similar is somalia. why do they do that to their children in Egypt?
It's endless - why don't the Egyptians compensate the slave nations they had? (And they had)
lol! shift the guilt!!
that would be a lot of muslims sending money to jews lmfao. boy, would they hate that lol
Yes, go ask the Egyptian.
Hebrew/ Israelite history is a fabrication.
These Egyptian have forgotten how to build pyramids and asking for artifacts which are not technically theirs
Delusional to think that people should give back the spoils of war
If this is the best of the Oxford crop we are doomed. You wouldn’t have Egyptian antiquities if it wasn’t for the scholarship and industry of the British. Their current value consists of their establishment in the British Museum. Please don’t forget that Egypt had an empire too, yet perhaps they were too arrogant or ignorant to recognise the value of studying and preserving other cultures for the benefit of mankind.
Egypt hv fallen so fatrrrrrr
Oh please, have any of you actually BEEN to any museums in Egypt? Let’s talk Kairo for example - their idea of “protecting and preserving historical artifacts” is two sticks and a string between them, to “prevent” people from getting close. You can literally CLIMB INTO a sarcophagus or touch a mummy and noone bats an eye. You can climb all over the pillars and ancient buildings, scratch the hieroglyphes while “looking” at them etc.
The speaker is clearly a beautiful and bright girl, but needs to grow up and face reality. Egyptians aren’t capable or interested in preserving historical artefacts, so it’s better for more developed countries to have taken them, otherwise in 100 years there will be no more of them to see, and the pyramids would be turned to cheap hotels.
its so painful to watch the state the museums are in over there.... Horrible
are you justifying the thievery??
@@satishmaurya3404 absolutely!
What did I learn from this speech? That I should visit the Leeds Museum.
This was a very sad speech to see here. Missing sooo much context. Let alone the fact that we don’t get to actually hear the argument for the opposition.
Yeah you do. Just watch the 5 other videos.
Question: Didn't the British and others take these artifacts from the people who took them from the people who took them from the people who lived there thousands of years ago,
Then to be fair can we have our freedom of speech, culture, capital, and various towns back?
Don’t forget that mummies and a large number of cultural relics from that era were auctioned off by tomb robbers and traders on the streets, and the mummies were left exposed under the scorching sun. If the cultural relics were to be returned, would the Egyptian government return power to the indigenous Africans?
Indigenous Africans?
@@cspacebrown The earliest Semites were the ancient Egyptians
Indigenous people of North Africa
@@marcofreeman2669 arabs, jews, and phonecians - yeah isn't this point you're making controversial when considering the phonecians and jews travelled west and north up to britain? which goes back to my previous point being that how is it stealing if britonic people are representatives of ancient egyptians? For example, your point may allude to those people having a right of citizenship i.e. power in those lands around the middle east which includes the greeks, as well as other european and northern settlers
@@cspacebrown The point is not to make a fuss about false propositions
Well the issue is that back in the day Egyptian government allowed for explorers who came to Egypt to explore and excavate in search of the ancient Egypt artifacts to take back what they found but they had to go through an Egyptian committee from the ministry of tourism and antiques first so they can can decided whether they can take it or not so basically Egypt had the first pick and the
The Egyptians had no respect for their own historical artifacts. They were deteriorating in the desert but now they care.
You speak on behalf of the Egyptians? Besides if your home is in a deteriorating condition ( for whatever reason, lets say you don't have enough money to look after it) does this allows me to take it?
@@Cardiologyforever
It’s not a home! Most of this was simply unclaimed ruins deteriorating in the desert before the British decided to preserve it. Now that it’s considered valuable the Egyptians want it back.
These are the same Egyptians who rejected their own cultural heritage as paganism and who destroyed these artifacts for centuries.
Lastly these are the same Egyptians who took much of their treasures during this period from OTHER cultures and countries. Are they planning on returning it to those cultures?
@@drstevej2527 Regardless of whatever you say. Short answer it is not yours to take and justify it. Period
@@Cardiologyforever
Actually it’s logic reason and an understanding of history that dictates my position.
How about returning Chinese and Indian and Irish native Artifacts then?
They are priceless, and surely the UK being a Christian Civilised country has no need for the Artifacts of so-called uncivilised people, right?
Thieves and robbers, you stole and robbed them fair and square,
Pushed the common people into engineered famines, killing Millions and Millions, and have the audacity to spew nonsense after having the blood of our people on your hands?
When did the current inhabitants of Egypt (excluding, perhaps, the Copts) begin identifying with the ancient Egyptian civilization?
FYI the current Egyptians are the same like ancient Egyptians. DNA analysis and tons of other things prove this point....
People like you repeat such nonsense to justify The theft .. people like you can't steal identity by just spreading out lies....
Great civilizations may get weak sometimes but never die. It will get stronger again
Reminiscent of my sister's generation. And no, I'm not from India. I'm from another Commonwealth nation not as well-represented in the museum; Malaysia.
Britain has kept in peace and sanctity what would have been hawked ago, long before for petty kingdoms, by their parent countries
That kinda best case...
Eg. Gold silver piece... with intricated artnincriptio thousand of years....
Probably melted by stupid thieves just for the gold while it even can worth gazillion time in black art market...
It is unimaginable disaster😅😅😅😅... and stupid....
To Britons: defend your country and your culture, please. In Italy, we lost a lot of artworks and we never say that we are in crisis due to foreign invasions.
In historical times, crime are committed, including lootings. The law applies in a limited way and cannot go back in time for centuries. Every country, including European ones, was a victim of another country. It is crazy the idea to treat past historical events as today crimes.
Agreed THEYRE OWN CULTURE. Not other people's.
@@nrb1989 Objects which were included in museum collections in historical times are part of the country's culture. According to your rule, Italians should take back a massive quantity of artworks, but I suspect that your rule is applied only to what you consider minority. It is the classical double standard of the Left.
A Prehistoric plate from my region is now at a Russian museum, for example. This is how things work. Even if Italy is a Western country, so it cannot be oppressed, in your/their biased view. It is cultural marxist policy, which finds the today minority to fight for.
@@nessuno3048 I see your point but a cultural artefact is something that the common man in that country relates to but I don't think British people have any belongingness or knowledge of that artefact for ex sculpture of many gods and goddesses from India....and I am not talking just of names , there are so many more like these from different countries .
@@_Rishabh_honeybadger The common man does not even know his own culture.
So you are saying all countries who want their items back should attack Britain in order to get that back ??
She is British and her ancestors were in Egypt, so it seems appropriate the British Museum has Egyptian exhibits.
I feel the same about Indian subcontinent artefacts in the British Museum too. But when looking at the way Museums are run here by ignorant bureaucrats who treat tit like any other posting, next to zero funding and add to that politicisation of of cultural heritage; I do have to admit that they have a better chance of being preserved for posterity in foreign Institutions.
What about the natural history type specimens? Majority of the species described from Asia have holotypes deposited in the natural history museum, which most Asians are unable to access.
This is so disgusting. Lets change the history.
Something missing ,she is talking about the civilisation of ancient Egypt that was extinct .Apropriation of culture is on also in Arabic Egypt of today .
Seeing as how much stuff has been destroyed around the world we should be thankful they are really well looked after, cared for and protected in the UK. also the museums are free to visit for everyone.
Script reading speech basically used in non English speaking countries... 😂😂
They taught you a lot of rubbish!
I’ll make you a deal…
If the countries that now exist in the lands from which these relics were lifted from can get their shit together then they can have them back
Or
If everybody from those lands leaves the UK then they can take those relics with them
The very fact that this lady is allowed to make this speech and is listened to with respect shows how advanced and tolerant British society is.
What do you mean advanced? expressing an opinion should be a persons fundamental right and it is so in most of the countries(even developing countries). There is nothing advanced about it
@@SanjanaNAthreyaNo the freedom of speech is not the same everywhere just because it is written in some paper book does not mean the implementation and ground reality is touched. Let's take an example of India a third world country where freedom of speech is forbidden despite it's written in their constitution as a fundamental right yet the practice isn't widespread because of the fear from indian illiterate mob. Can anyone criticize india in their home does they places for debate regarding historical matters where it is clearly indian sub-continental empires were evil and proved? The answer is no the British allows every single individual to speak whatever they wish to and many takes the advantage of it spreading lies and disinformation proven from Shashi Tharoor's work which was fraud deep down
@@optus7113who made it 3rd world? UK became 1st world only because of INDIA and its resources, otherwise they'll be traveling on boats to African countries just like African countries are doing today. You stole $50 trillion of wealth from INDIA and it is a conservative figure never forget that.
@@optus7113can anyone criticize INDIA in their home? As far as I know INDIA never invaded any country by force and looted trillions of dollars of wealth and ki//ed millions and millions of people. (65 million in INDIA alone)
@@optus7113entire UK is build on INDIAN money. INDIA was the world's richest country throughout its history before British looted it ($50 trillion) its karma what Britain is facing today.
There's a simple solution for this problem..
British Museum will return the artifacts, as long as the receiving countries are:-
Politically Stable
No Islam (as state religion)
The State (Government) & the religious bodies should be separate
Otherwise these artifacts should better remain in the British Museum..
The National Museum of Iraq was totally destroyed (The artifacts) by Muslims..
What is she saying “no thank you” to?
British royal navy was basically the biggest pirate crew..no wonder they looted so much wealth 😂
Yeah, right.... Indian WhatsApp university?
@@charananekibalijaun8837 Lol , the utter stupidity you have and the amount of ignorance in you , is beaming out like a shooting star . Bruh , its facts . That the britz did loot us . And this was aided by the navy . There were no damm airplanes which could carry tons back then . How is this whats app university ? Seems like your the one from those .
It abolished slavery, also British Empire abolished indians burning their widows.
@@harry..flashman British empire abolished slavery?? 🤣🤣Are you learning your history from islamic Madarssa? No wonder Britain has become a muslim country
@@harry..flashman do you even know why that was even practiced in the first place? It was because of the cruel rule of the Mughals and sultanate before that. They'd pillage villages and kill the soldiers whose widows would often become slaves to those Mughal rulers and live in torment.
As an Indian, i can say without Britain India would have remain divided into smaller kingdom, we would have continued all sorts of social evils and discrimination perpetuated in the name of religion(Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhism, Jainism, Christianity), Caste(Upper and Lower Caste). It was Brits who forcibly modernise us, It was British who brought and made us known the importance of modern secular education otherwise we would have stuck in our religious book which promotes discrimination based on religious, caste and sex based identity. Manusmriti doesnt allow women, even of upper caste, to study and learn. It was Lord Macaulay who opened the door of school to people of every caste,religion and women.British taught us equality irrespective of the diversity. British infused in us the idea of a nation state and last but not least they gave a formidable military.
I think all the wealth they took from us was a kind of fee which we paid to learn all this thing
As someone who was an international student in England. I always found it odd that the "British" Museum has more stuff in it that's not British than things that are.
Of cause we know why that is, it's basically the loot house from Empire days. I would say the institution itself would benefit more from having historical British culture on display, it would attract tourists who visit the UK who want to learn more about British culture. Native Britains would also benefit from having a place to go learn about their own culture instead of feeling increasingly that Britain has no culture or that it's being replaced, eroded.
Sure, have a wing that displays foreign cultures from around the world, better yet have a different Museum(s) dedicated to that. The items put on display should be on loan from those countries as part of an exchange program. Not just the UK, but France and other historic invading colonizers are guilty of it too.
Was it not Democritus who said, much learning does not teach understanding. I mean of political religion, which is what this is all about.
Ladies and gentleman I'm reading the script here 😂
Student ❓🤡
Translator 🥳👻
give it back to Mo Salah
The Rosetta probably belonged to some ancient Greek merchant. History and nations are not the same thing.
Exactly
The common theme is that the British Empire was somehow a fundamentally wrong thing, no matter all the extensive good it achieved, and the list of that will take some time to cover. All adds up to nothing to an Oxford University student, dare i say it, who would appear to make 2 + 2 = 5
"respresent", Oxford needs better title typers.
An eloquent person, but she says that she grew up in both countries but the entire speech shows favouritism. She put no reasoning about the whyes, but just threw slurs and played victimhood. British museums gave importance and meaning to these artifacts, which the natives never gave a damn about. British museums invested in means to preserve these artifacts, and now that the natives started growing envious and disgruntled, they should pay the British museums the artifacts safekeeping with interest at least, if they want them back, to be fair and to prove that they value the artifacts. She talks about the british museums being patronising, and disregards the natives clear attitude in criminalising the british museums and holding "holier than thou" stance. I say, a quick search would show what the remaining artifacts in their native land are going through from looting and negligence.
Exactly. The only reason any of the pieces in Western museums are considered important artifacts at all is because the collective West considered them so.
Leave the British museum alone (and the Louvre and Pergamon museum in Berlin, etc.)
So who told you the natives never gave any damn about? Attack the natives, destroy their culture, and then save their artifacts a few years later claiming to save them? Classic juice strategy
Yeah, she is eloquent as long as she's got that script before her. Anyway, she should be thankful to the British Museum and to Britain as her adopted homeland that she and other people even had a chance to look at those treasures from the place of her origine. However, if Europeans start talking today about dismantling their history, setting right the wrongs of the Imperial past, the gates to hell would flip wide open, and one of the next logical steps would be to try and re-draw national borders - maybe starting from the age of the Roman Empire.
I couldn’t agree with you more. That was absolutely perfectly put. There is a clear case of victimhood and holier than thou attitude going on from her and those that are irrationally desperate to get these pieces back. They’re staying here, as they should. Time moves on, as it always does.
How about returning Chinese and Indian and Irish native Artifacts then?
They are priceless, and surely the UK being a Christian Civilised country has no need for the Artifacts of so-called uncivilised people, right?
Thieves and robbers, you stole and robbed them fair and square,
Pushed the common people into engineered famines, killing Millions and Millions, and have the audacity to spew nonsense after having the blood of our people on your hands?
They looted all those years and now they feeling proud of it lol ..what a country 😂🤣
THE BRITISH MUSEUM IS A REMINDER OF COLONISATION BUT IT IS ALSO THE HISTORY OF GLOBALISATION.
She identifies herself as "egyptian-british". If she can identify as british, why cant anyone identify the objects in the museums as british as well?
Bullshit…all looted goods ..what a nonsense…you guys destroyed cultures, nations and continents..what rights do you have to represent other cultures..that the same cultures you don’t respect and deliberately destroyed them b.c of your greed
This makes absolutely no sense
Are you insane. What are you talking about.
Exactly. And these two wombats - bwr and alexandraepiphiou - and their cogent arguments are top, top people mmm?!
Loot market is London Museum, they think that their ancestors have won medals and brought them here, and this is funny, actually this is their ancestors' mind 😂😂😂
Great presenter 👍👌👏 you did your homework and it turned out into this excellent speech, great work
We have our first deportee!
I know, right on cue! 😂
those artifacts are not british either. they belong in their lands of origin. to be seen by the descendants of those civilizations.
What about the pot holes in Blackburn Lancashire!
@@cyb-m We bought and traded them fair and square. And others we won via conquest.
@@agDRAGONMAN001 none of them was bought. it was all stolen. you just admitted to be a country of theives.
to quote the Texas flag..."Come and take it"
Well said, I couldn't agree more!
So if she grew up in both countries shed not British 😂
I wish Britain had taken the ancient statues in Iraq before ISIS destroyed them.
Yeah gone forever.... Syrian too...
Lost for humanity
People living in England who comes from different backgrounds have the audacity to say another country as their own and not England as their own. Since this lady is earning in England staying in England enjoying in England has no rights to ask England to return all the artefacts. In fact people from all over the world travel England and have the accessibility to see all these monuments sculptures antiques. Show this antiques should remain in England for the world to view
Look what Islam State of Iraq and Syria or Levant did in Syria to priceless archeological sites and artefacts. At least they are relatively safe and protected.
I'm really surprised how brave you are to say this words and defend your historical heritage, you did an amazing job little lady 👏
The artefacts are in British museum because British people value more those things. And muslims do not look how they destroyed ancient city of Palmirya in Syria they don’t value historical heritage that’s why it’s better for to present those Exponates in British museum that is much more safe for heritage
Are you saying Muslims across the globe destroyed or wanted the destruction of that city? What about other ancient cities across the Islamic world and the museums?
What about all that was destroyed during world war 1 & 2? Or the dissolution of the monasteries? Would you say that Europeans wanted that? So much shit happens during war and every nation has a sizable population of philistines that don't care about heritage and would gladly destroy whatever they can but also out of ignorance or even out of necessity in a time of crisis.
@@ahmedzahir2865 There might me some small number of muslims that didn’t want the city to be destroyed. But the rest either didn’t care or they were supporting the destruction.
@@ahmedzahir2865 There are a lot of videos how muslims are destroying the ancient sculptures.
@@ahmedzahir2865 Just search the destruction of artefacts in Mosul you will realise why it is better for artefacts to be in British and civilised museums
Speaking as an American with anglo father. The fact that she is a student at Oxford, allowed to give this speech, is exactly why I think she is wrong. London is a city that brought the whole world together, and it's museum respectfully tells the story of humanity. The only thing more diverse than the collection is the visitors. Isn't it a good thing for us all to be able to see our common story? Most nations would only showcase their own artifacts, make themselves central in the story of humanity. Perhaps a long with the artifacts, she would like to return to Egypt?
London underground was operational in January of 1863 . UK's affluence and progressiveness was set in tracks. I recently learnt about how banks were the foremost institutions of equality in society and so a force of progress like none other. I'm sure the banking and free market system that was perfected over time had helped in reaching milestones and many people who were nurtured by Britain to enable this. But the naming an item loot may not go along with everything that was achieved. At least a formal letter from each state saying this is left to help foster a world of unity and to bring cultures together would be a way forward, just my imagination, although it may be imperfect it is just something that decency begs from my moral compass to say at this point in time. Although I hope this does not overshadow institutions like National Trust which was founded by a lady at a time when it would have been impossible in many countries for women to do so, even to this day in some countries unfortunately.
Just started the video, and after the 1st affirmation, I could say that the country 'should' return people who weren't born in the country -- using the same ludicrous way of 'not thinking.'
most people only leave their counties because of poverty and lack of the countryside money, but if former colonial rulers paid back reparations it would greatly help the country and it’s people so they wouldnt even need to come to these counties because their own would be sufficient
Along with the reparations?
We Indians approve British museum. It Shows the Glory and British Might and Protector of World arts.
Well say hypothetically all the artifacts were returned. There wouldn't be a need for a British museum now would their ?
So your asking to indirectly dissolve the museum :)
Go three years to agriculture, than start short besenes for people, to start running life to puple,
She is eloquent and she has interesting and valid points, would be great to see the whole debate.
So that's a bit of a tricky situation.
While in principle, I completely agree with the speaker, the reality is often more complicated than that.
Case in point, I'm from Taiwan, which has a complcated history as well, of being both the exile island of the losing government of the Chinese civil war, the KuoMing Tan (or KMT), which, in their defeat, "stole" a massive collection of historic ancient Chinese artifacts and treasures to bring them all to Taiwan. Maoist communists justly called them thieves... Until the cultural revolution happened 2 decades later, destroying vast swathes of ancient national treasures, sculptures and books, erasing 3000 years of Chinese history... All of a sudden, the KMT was viewed as the actual savior and legator of Chinese culture. So you never know with these things, how the situation can go in the future.
British Museums should return the people who do not appreciate the content of the museums. If they do not like it, they should go to where they like it.
Go back then.
I call bollocks to her argument, nothing more but woke overcorrection of history.
Wait, she moved from Egypt to southeast Asia?
Don't you think that if these old items are in the British Museum, they will be safer and better present your culture to the world and it will benefit you?I even think you should be proud of this opportunity!
Express my gratitude to British Museum, it preserves a large number of cultural artifacts from China, which could have be destroyed in the Cultural Revolution.
She mean wota..
She said it all
Thank you for spreading awareness of what was stolen from egypt
Wasn't the Rosetta stone used as a base for a fort?
How many of these artifacts would have been destroyed, forgotten, or never discovered if not for the British?
She made me fall in love with her within 5 min. As a indian, i can understand and relate her thoughts and opinion about the colonial history. Kohinoor Diamond
I just came here to see this pretty, smart girl talking... :)
Excelent, great woman!
Artefacts digged by British archelogist.
lol you are wrong . These are stolen .
@@BookOwl60 they belong to person who digged them out.
Her name is Karma. How fitting and fabulous.
She's talking s**t
It’s interesting to note that this young lady isn’t British first as her speech comes across as she’s Egyptian first, and therefore her opinion is very bias. And if the British Museum is to return some of the artefacts because they were stolen yet over hundreds of years land has been stolen through war, therefore how does any country give back land to the supposedly indigenous persons .
This lady is Egyptian first although she chooses to enjoy British life.
Im Greek !
What's the idea behind all this theatrical, self-serving performance? Dismantle Western heritage? Next re-draw the national borders of European nation states? I suggest they demand that she produce her British passport to the public before she was allowed to use this podium as a launchpad for an assault on British and European (yess!!) heritage.
Why would anyone return egyptian artifacts to the occupiers and opressors of the descendants who owned those artifacts?? Give back the country to the copts and then we'll talk about giving them their stuff back. Calling yourself egyptian doesn't mean you take over ownership of the stuff of the people you conquered.
Until the copts get at least their own country and the right to make their own laws without having to listen to you, there is no way we're handing their stuff over to you. I don't doubt their ability to take care of their stuff, I'm doubting your ability to take care of their stuff.
@@GotMyTowel42 ... I know?
I am Greek and I agree with you .
British museums are the collection of historic monuments of other countries. But British 🇬🇧 claims them as their “SON” but the seed and Hardwork paid by someone else 😂😂😂
#British #Britishmuseums #kierstarmer 😂😂😂
So far so good speech
Fair enough with artifact that do not represent the antiquity of Britons before they were the original people of the Brittonic island, but arguably for Egyptian: supposedly the latest archaeological findings suggest that antient British people are natives representative of Egypt, and so how can artifact be stolen when some British may have historical ties to the land that dates further back than maybe it's current inhabitants who it may not be within their interest to protect?
This was MY OPINION until I started reading the reports out of Aleppo. The Taliban went through and destroyed the priceless works of art that had just been returned to Syria from England. The Taliban's reasoning: because the art work represented non or pre Muslim art. Granted how the pieces were obtained is terrible. Would you rather The British Museum keep them safe or send them back to unstable countries where they run the risk of being destroyed by another group like the Taliban?
The Taliban are in Pakistan and Afghanistan, not Syria. Are you referring to what ISIS did in places like Palmyra? There are artefacts from many countries in the British museum, are all of these countries at war or overrun with insurgencies? What's to say terrorists in London couldn't bomb or attack a museum? Hypothetically someone could drop a nuke and decimate the whole city.
The Rosetta Stone was a war battle with the France when British men was dying & fighting the other empires like Spain Italy Germany , where was Egypt fighting France too get there Rosetta Stone back 😅
On the other hand, many items, if not kept safe in BM, would have been lost or sold around the world.
Her ancestors she said🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 She really believes she is related to ancient Egyptians. What the hell do they teach at Oxford...? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The day of the fallen pickle jars
She is definitely related to ancient Egyptians, if not sure , check the modern Egyptian genome map compared to ancient Egyptian genome maps, 97% identical.
@@ehabelias5536 humans as whole has genetic component 97% similar to other apes
@@ehabelias5536 That is not what serious papers recently published in Nature says. But if so her ancestors where poor like mice and did not own any artifacts, she must be really mad at the Ptolemaic dynasty and Rome. By the way, hers and chimps genomes are almost 99 percent identical. She should ask British zoos to free those apes back to the jungle
True 🤣🤣Modern Egyptians have no genetic connection to the Mummies of Egypt. The current population of Egypt is from Arabian Peninsula not native egypt. Native egyptians were Black Africans. Her argument is not correct because the historical heritage of Egypt doesn't belong to her ancestors or to current Egyptian's. They are not even the same people, the current Egyptian's are squatters on an ancient land, whose historical riches belong to Black Africans if perhaps you really want to find an ownership. Not to middle eastern migrants to egypt in the last 1000 yrs.
I am so tired of this thing. Don't you have other things to do?
The comment section is a remarkable collection of non-readers who are still capable of writing.! 🤣 The speaker is a competitive debater, the description makes it clear these may not be her views.
The typical sort of comment made by people who have it all, but never had to earn anything for themselves.
I mean God bless her 🙏
Her name is Karma Gad. In her name itself, "KARMA" is there. Now she stands in Oxford Union with her Karma to expose the loot of the British from all her former colonies like India, Egypt etc.........................................................................................................
Yes, let us give all these priceless historical and religious artefacts back to countries where islamofascists rule and destroy their and humanities artefacts for fun / their religious misbelieves, When an artefact is destroyed it NEVER comes back. The more blabla is done. This is the main reason why these artefacts exist and kept in a very good state for hopefully centuries to come.
Yeahbsad what happened in Iraq and syria on isis time😢
Very well said!!!
I hope, if she joins a political party subsequently (which is very likely to happen if she is not already a member), she keeps the same position and fights to change what she now deplores!!! Usually, we see most of the young guys changing 180 degrees when they join parties.
I wish her the best. And Bravo for her speech! We would need more people like this lady criticizing policies like those of the British Museums so that hopefully the return things back to their original countries!
Leave the country slump!
If the countries of origin cared even a tiny bit about their art back in the days, it would not be in the British Museum now. End of discussion. Goodbye.
@@tresojos You stole it, u bum 🤣🤣🤣. That's y it's in the British museum.
@@tresojos you clearly are not wise are you? 🤣🤣
@@doplr8711 I'm not wise because I don't share your opinion? 👏
@@tresojos That's like you saying "1+1=3 is my opinion". You stole it. They cared about the art but you stole it 😁🤣🤣
@@doplr8711 They didn't really care about it. Have you ever been to a museum in Egypt?
Our Christian heritage reveals artifacts relevant to this. The Bible speaks a lot about ancient history of Egypt, the Holy Land, Rome, etc.