Framing in a Factory with Super Insulated Walls - Bensonwood Homes Tour
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Matt visits Ted Bensons Factory to show how sustainable and efficient their operation is. bensonwood.com
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I don't know how Matt hasn't been picked up by Home and Garden TV.
I never understood the stigma associated with this method. Using automated manufacturing and measurement technologies in a highly controlled environment is how literally every other modern durable good is produced at prices anyone can afford.
The "prices anyone can afford" part has yet to make its way into pre-fab houses, from what I've seen. These are gorgeous products but nobody is putting up $250k homes with this kind of technology or automation.
Engi_Nerd I suspect that’s because of the association with mobile homes. The Sears Roebuck pre-fab homes of the late 19th and early 20th century don’t have that stigma though.
It's a great way to build a house. They've been doing it in Europe for decades.
@@CUclimber that's not so. You can get homes built like this that cost less than trailer home up to multi-millions, just depends on your budget and whether you have educated yourself on energy efficient construction methods or not
People are scared that traditional builders will lose their jobs if automation replaces on site labour. I see it as a retraining opportunity that would provide a job that pays better and has better working conditions but meh.
Love it, Matt. Thanks for the suggestion.
I'm glad you made it to Bensonwood/Unity factory, the place where my home was built!
@bensonwood I've followed The Build Show for some time, and I know he'd worked with Bensonwood in TX. I got to meet Matt at JLC Live in March; I suggested he take a trip to Bensonwood/Unity seeing how he was nearby. I have no idea whether he'd already planned to this visit or not, but I'd like to think I influenced it ;)...
This is so beautiful. I looked up Bensonwood careers after watching this video 😂. Thanks for the tour Matt 👍.
did you end up working there? interested in BW careers as well...
I remember first seeing Tedd Benson on This Old House back in the 80's rebuilding a Concord Mass. barn into a house. I thought it was incredible back then.
The first episode of This Old House I remember seeing was that Barn House.
Oh my gosh yes I remember that too. And at the time I thought this is great. Now wow. This is to cool.
Incredible build. That is the way to put a home together.
There are European companies who will build your house in the factory right down to the fixtures, fittings, floor coverings, tiles, paint etc, the lot. You have to organise the foundations, choose what you want to have, and they'll deliver & erect the house, taking about 5 - 7 days to do the complete job. Huf Haus is a German company that does this but is one amongst many across Europe & the UK. Interestingly these techniques have also made it to Australasia. It's simply far cheaper and efficient to build this way.
There's a very long running (20 yrs) UK TV series called Grand Designs of which one episode was dedicated to a Huf Haus self-build. For anyone who's interested, it should still be possible to view it on the internet.
Been a fan of Ted Benson for over 30 years. Maybe someday I will have a Benson home.
This old house did a pretty cool tour of this place as well,
WOW the first time I heard of Ted Benson was way back when on This Old House it was my introduction to post and beam construction. I believe the Build was in Concord Massachusetts for homeowners Lynn and Barbara Wickwire. I think that was host Steve Thomas his first episode after Bob villa left. Very fond memories innovation has come a long way since then.
Me too! I think that was 1988 and I was 16. Was blown away by the beautiful work
Essential craftsmen and the BUILD SHOW! today, great way to relax after a day's work
One other major advantage about building in a controlled environment is worker motivation/supervision. On a job site when the weather gets crappy, it's 5pm on a Friday and the bar is open, a lot of corners get cut. The chances of that happening in a factory where lots of other people can see your work are much less.
Insightful observation!
I recently looked into the Unity div of this company great pricing quality product the building is up and running in no time. Their videos are pretty cool too.
matt,massive fan of yours and have been for a long time,im from ireland and have learned alot of the u.s style of building.im heading to texas next year to help my friend in borger renovate his house and it prob end up a mish mash of american - euro style. ive talked him into triple glaze windows and doors. as i say,quality costs but quality saves over its life span and i do think people forget that
We need this in Texas! Let’s do it!
Yes we do Mark! I have a project on the books with these guys… Stay tuned
Agreed. I hope to retire from the military and settle down in Austin. I’ve been researching passive house and net zero for years. Matt, I’ll likely reach out to your team or work associates. I’ve already contacted another Austin company. Love this channel.
Excellent stuff bro
The future of home construction.
I'm a huge fan of Bensonwood. I have some of Ted Benson's books on timber framing. My parents live about a mile from Bensonwood. So cool you got to check it out
I went to high school with Ted. I wish I had gotten to know him better. We had an art class together. I started working construction after burning out in a couple of failed "careers".
Great to see European influenced building technology in the US. Its the future! Greetings from Switzerland.
I thought you guys didn't use wood. Europeans are always here claiming everything is brick, stone, or concrete.
@dpeagles Europe range from 71 degrees north to 28 degrees North. Thus different construction styles are used, dependent on raw material availability. The building style shown in this video is becoming the most common for new constructions in the Nordic countries. In the future manufacturing of the sections can easily be done by robots, and thus slashing the house price significantly and increasing the quality. When I lived in the US, it amazed me how old-school house building was done. In the Nordic countries; erecting a house is done within a week once the foundation is ready.
@@dpeagles northern europe is more typical to have wood construction. Mediterraneum countries not so much.
Yeah Triple glazing, prefab elements, in factory hall building with mechanical assists, vacuum panel lifters and robotic cutters. That could be a Finnish "house factory" as we call them. Why would one waste on site time, when one can do everything in the controlled environment of factory hall. No weather delays or worries. Everything stays dry and warm until it is sealed and ready to face the elements. Rain shine or snow storm, the framers and builders can work in the hall all year rounds in safety, comfort and precision.
@@aritakalo8011 Even better; with introduction of robots, building cost will be reduced substansiously. Think about it, house production 24/7, 365 days a year. And the quality of the house will, as you write, increase alot.
Love your videos. I have learned so much
Awesome Matt.
I had watched one of the This Old House series about a dozen years ago with the project largely built indoor at Benson Wood
thanks again Matt, great video, and right here in New England ,
Would love to see a cost comparison between this system and traditional building methods with similar specs of R-Values, etc...
Very interesting tour. Thank you for sharing.
cant wait for YOUR house build series :)
Great video and those are some well built walls.
Happy Labor Day weekend everyone.
Thumbs up Matt.
Love this video!! Thanks!
It would be nice to see this same concept but with t-studs!!
Yes! I agree! Where are the T-studs❓
You guys talking about those pieces of wood with spray foam between them? Personally, I would not use that stuff in anything. You could just make similar pieces of wood with the alternating zigzag pattern of round wood pieces between them and fill it up with regular rock wool. Fluffy stone beats hardened chemicals any day because of how high the temperature is while creating it. T-studs, while adding to the integrity of the construction also introduces a weakness to the building and makes sure it will not last that long compared to a house that uses better insulating materials and there is also the issue with off gassing from the spray foam. Foam glass on the other hand has some real potential and I'm eager to see what the future has in store for that stuff. The black tar-like substance they use to fasten it is a bit concerning, but large pieces that are passed through a cnc machine as an impenetrable vapor and air barrier (100% air and water tight + able to resist hundreds of degrees Celsius before even getting soft so it will give you a bunch of more time to vacate a burning building than flammable chemicals ever could.) would be awesome.
Spray foam is very easy to work with though. So I can absolutely see why it is used to the extent it is. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking it lasts anywhere near as long as insulation or structural materials in a home should and is very much a planned obsolescence thing. The rise of computer aided design has also made us more precise in how we build and a small part of me is actually concerned that we will see houses built too close to its tolerances actually collapse as structural spray foam deteriorates and the home can't hold it's own weight or get a heavy snowfall one winter.
Sorry for the long comment. For context, I'm a Scandinavian carpenter and we rarely use the stuff at all here. So I definitely have some form of bias towards how we do things here compared to America.
And sure. Spray foam is not proven to be dangerous yet. But I have worked with stuff that was once considered edible but is now a frog suit with gas mask type of deal where you are not even suppose the breathe the air around it or even let it touch your skin in industrial work outside construction. And that was kind of eye opening.
Awesome stuff Matt! 😃👍🏻👊🏻
Now all that First Fit Cabling and Power Outlets and Piping etc are being done In Factory.
At 10:59 "I've never built a house for my family..." The cobbler's children have no shoes.
pretty sure his family lives in a house, false fake silly analogy, if you dont' have anything postive or at least construcive to share, keep it to yourself.
@@rollandelliott You okay?
@@sidefack if you dont' have anything postive or at least construcive to share, keep it to yourself.
He most likely has a house that with his skill and access he has remodeled but has never built a house from scratch for his family.
Such high quality construction!
With cheap quality material.
I love this kind of stuff... Thanks for sharing. We do remodeling and repairs, I've seen a lot of older construction, so it's nice to see how technology keeps improving.
I wonder what is the sweet spot between cost and performance. You could spend double on making a better wall, but how much would it improve your quality of life and energy savings?
Very similar to Blueprint Robotics here in Baltimore MD. They do everything with German machining and software. Absolutely amazing. I can could set you up with a plant tour if you’re interested Matt. They’re huge Huber proponents as well.
When I finally build my home I was thinking about renting a garage/small industrial warehouse to build wall sections in while waiting for the foundation to be located/dug/prepped, then have a truck and crane deliver and place them. That way I can take my time with the framing, insulation, drilling for utilities, sheeting, strapping and siding in a controlled environment. I've heard of some large contractors doing that but haven't seen it in action on RUclips yet.
Very cool!
Love it thanks
Look up entekra as well it seems like they are heading in similar directions.
Great tour, thanks for bringing me!
Hi Matt
Amazing company as you said. I just have 1 question, how do they attach the bottom plate to the foundation if the cavity is already closed?
thanks
Do you prefer this , sips, or zip 2.0? For a tight house. Also what was the blower door numbers on the sips house?
Anti-mold sounds encouraging; any chance of an update on off gassing via adhesives and other PFA/VOC/etc building compounds?
Matt Risinger - Wish you would have share the Per Sq. Ft. costs on these types of homes
Can someone explain why they're taping the interior layer of OSB? Seems like you have two barriers here (zip on the outside, taped osb on the inside) and that layer of trapped dense-packed cellulose has no way to dry.
It would be cool if the exterior insulation would be continuous
Do you have an install video for Hardie board and batten over rigid foam insulation? You have quite a library but couldn’t find one.
How can you tape on both inside and outside? Dosen’t that trap the moisture inside the wall?
I think all homes should be built in a factory environment. I think it would lead to better homes with higher quality and may help reduce costs with some automation.
That has been more and more common here in Finland and it started back in 1980s. This is one of most advanced onces ruclips.net/video/bJxQBe1Bc_8/видео.html
Matt, always love your content, but I’m curious as to how you can be on the road so much and traveling as a builder. Any chance you’d be interested in breaking down the layout of personnel in your company? I’m intrigued to know how you can be such a flexible entrepreneur while running a building business. Props to you. Thanks!
And as a side note, reading your suggested book, “Elements of Building” really compelled me to ask such a question.
Is that "music" really neccessary?
Otherwise, good episode.
Love you show, what are they using for the exterior side of the structure?
Hi Mat I am here in FL is there a Hurricane proof home that is not 5x. More expensive them a normal home. Thanks Matt
Maybe ICF?
Matt, any idea what the cost per/sq.ft. is with this company? There must be a point of diminishing returns that make it hard to justify spending more money.
TheHondaman quite possibly why it’s factory built on a production line, way quicker and lower costs than building on site.
@@do4267 Im wondering from Signing paperwork to moving in what is the timeline there as well since these homes could be made day and night no matter what weather is and all we have to do is assemble at the sight. My first thought is these homes are twice as fast to build once all pieces are at the job sight.
Very impressive and clean factory. Very hi-tech but at what cost? Still a lot of thermal bridging and vapor trapping. Thanks for showing a different way of thinking.
Thermal bridging where?
@@Conservator. The Interior 2x3 wall is still a direct contact to the outer wall assembly. Amiterization might not be the correct term but the thermal transfer in Winter is greatest from inside out. Till the transfer at the outer sheathing should have reached 0%. The studs wick more thermal transfer to the insulation bay. Unless there is a thermal break on the interior of the assembly that I missed. There is still structural members in direct contact from inside to outer.
Gobuilditbetter Hi,
Tx, I had another look at the video and I see what you mean. The studs are made of I-beams in stead of regular lumber. Ok, that’s still a thermal bridge but a smaller one. It’s not shown in the video so we don’t know but if the outer studs don’t line-up with the inner ones, that would almost eliminate a thermal bridge. Still SIP panels would even be better.
I agree with you that there’s certainly room for improvement but this is a good step in the right direction.
Idk the costs but considering the potential lifespan it might be quite cost effective.
I live in The Netherlands where houses are build to have a lifespan of at least 50 years. Although concrete and brick walls are commonly used over here, the robustness of the house shown in this video looks ‘normal’ to me. (As opposed to a framed 2x4 exterior wall). But we live in a much colder climate than Matt in Texas, so I the norm from over here probably doesn’t make sense over there.
Cheers.
@@Conservator. If you saw My Vid "House that will not Burn" you will know where I am coming from. Thanks
Gobuilditbetter
Watched it and a few others. I like SIPs (and your video’s;)
In this video you said you were going to look into Bensonwood for your home. Did you do that?
Matt. Explain for me please how this process leads to less waste? if you're cutting boards to length, even with a computer, you'll still have the leftover pieces. Also, is this method actually cheaper? assume an apples to apples build. one outside in perfect weather and the other inside using the pre-made panel system.
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🤔 this is in FACT a 'MODULAR' home which I remember LOVING THESE ... However.. At a time the crazy / close minded lenders frowned on these saying they were mobile homes (which I know they're not) So... My QUESTION IS: are they now able to loan / mortgage? 🤔
Thx Matt 😎
They arent as much modular as they are penalized. One is. Completely finished at the factory then delivered and set up and the other has wall sections trucked to the site then assembled and finished and yes it conforms to standard mortgage options
@@1982MCI ... well it's good to know that they may be able to be mortgaged. But regardless when they truck pieces to a job site that's what a modular home actually is. Don't misunderstand I actually have always loved the concept. I think they're better built and when they're built in a protected environment that's a plus!!
@@1982MCI I think you meant "panelized," but we understood! Pre-fab (which is what I consider to be panelized) and modular are considered different, though I am unclear on the distinction. Looking at some vacant land for sale, occasionally I see as restrictions "no mobile homes," (OK ,we get that one,) but also "no modular." If I had to bet, these terms tossed about by real estate agents and local zoning people probably do not have standard definitions, especially in more rural areas. Love anyone else's input on this ...
Is there an OSB made of bamboo?
A perfect wall but at what cost?
I would suspect that no matter how tightly packed the cellulose is, after years of microvibrations from the earth, it's going to settle some and leave a gap at the top.
Certainly could happen… That’s why the exterior insulation is on there
Here in Finland cellulose to walls are blown with water and wood own lignin works as clue and that become as one big patch between stud and won't settle over time.
Here you can see how it's done ruclips.net/video/biGAFYaHDcc/видео.html
Mr Wizeguy, we have tried that here in the US Pacific Northwest and I’ve been told had some horrendous problems of getting the assembly to dry out thoroughly. Do you use Sheetrock with those assemblies?
@@mrkozz1 It needs to dry week or two here might take longer if you climate is hot and moisture high.
It's usually covered with strong paper that allows water vapor movement to both directions only makes wall air tight and top of that most often is sheetrock.
And which machine cut and marker all this so nice? Of course it’s a German one ...
It's neat and all, but... How would one go about repairing damage to an exterior wall? fire, random car, etc.?
Have you ever worked with Yankee Barn Homes or know of anyone that has? I'm looking at them for my first build and would like some insight if possible. This will be in Tennessee when it happens.
Wow, what an excellent way to build! How custom is their custom work?
I really like this concept but Bensonwood really isnt in my price range. I know they have another option in Unity Homes but they only deliver to certain areas. I am looking to buy and build in Oregon. Do you have any recommendations for Bensonwood/Unity style construction in my area? Their quality and factory look amazing. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Can these walls stop 9MM at least???
😂
Could have them custom one, add a layer of Kevlar or two, then top it off with Line X on exterior. Haha
That is a concern in Central America. I designed a simple tiny relatively low cost home, that I thought would work for a neighbor in Belize. The first question the neighbor ask was "Will it stop a bullet?" I didn't realize that was a necessary design criteria down there.
So, we have floors and super insulated walls. What about the roof and the ceilings?
What do you mean ceillings? Floor and ceilling are on the same construction. As for the roofs, im sure they produce it.
love your show but will never b able to afford a house constructed like that
Keep believing that way and I promise you are correct!
"will never b able" This attitude of a loser! Are you 80 years old or missing 2 body parts?
@@synewparadigm 80 years old and missing body parts is still no excuse to not achieve anything your heart and mind can conceive!!!!!!
I’m not sure if you’ll see this to respond but I’m closing in my carport and installed vinyl windows with J channels and I saw somewhere that you should put a drip cap above windows but it covers the J channel. Do I need this or no?
give me a range of how much a unity house can cost from benson wood. like 400-600k?
unityhomes.com/our-designs/ has more info. I’m intrigued.
Awesome but is all that insulation cost effective in most climates?
Yes, even in my coastal marine environment.
Too bad Bensonwood is not really build homes for the general public to afford. I just emailed them yesterday to get some information and got this response in about 5 minutes. "Thank you for your interest in Bensonwood homes. We believe that everyone deserves a long-lasting and comfortable home built to perform and built to reduce the impact on our warming climate.
Bensonwood Homes typically start around $1,000,000, not including land acquisition and site work. Because you indicated that your budget is less than $500,000, we thought you might be interested in learning about Unity Homes. Unity builds high-quality, energy-efficient, prefab homes, but at a more affordable price than a custom Bensonwood home. Rather than working with an architect, clients select a predesigned and pre-engineered model from our collection that meets their needs."
I like they say "We believe that everyone deserves a long-lasting and comfortable home" but how many people are building homes starting at $1 Million dollars. Even ones that include the lans cost which they are saying would be above an beyond.
I understand Untiy Homes is an option and that will be my next step but they have a very limited number of house base designs. We are looking to build a 1 story house and I'm not a contemporary house fan so that takes it down to one model.
What product are they using under the horizontal rain screen strapping?
Is there a California version?! We need less insulation, more radiant barrier. I want my kids to have Bensonwood homes.
I bet this type of wall would work well on warm climate lot of exterior and interior mass and thick insulation between them. Those void on block will be pour full with concrete i assume it would be really good against tornados aswell.
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Insulation is impartial to temperature. Your AC running at 110 needs just as much insulation as someone’s heater running at 15.
How can the vapor barrier be effective if the tape and the membranes are on opposite sides of the osb? Seems that the vapor would just go around the tape and through the seams.
Is the wall bullet proof? :)
Lol
I have also wondered how much dense pack will slow a bullet!
Wouldn't the interior OSB and exterior zip sheathing both act as vapor barriers?
Loren Bo I’m not 100% sure of this but from browsing the Bensonwood website it seems that Matt is showing two of their many different wall assemblies. I don’t believe both interior OSB and exterior Zip board are used together.
The wall that he starts describing @5:15 appears to have both?
Wood is permeable you twats....
OSB is a class 2 vapor retarder. The zip coating (12-16 perms, as per their spec sheet) is much more vapor open than it's OSB substrate 2-3 perms, see link below). www.buildingscience.com/documents/information-sheets/info-312-vapor-permeance-some-materials
Nice, no friggin foam to be found anywhere.
Where the interview with Ted?
Unfortunately the day I came he was tight on time. We chatted for 15 minutes. He’s an amazing man. A hero in our Industry
Sign off a bit weak today. Head and upper body need to be tilted back a bit more. You wanna really swing into it by activating your core. The point could use a bit more swing. Its all the in the wrist. Of course it needs to be a bit louder but I'm sure you realized that after the fact. Keep up the great work boss!
Matt, I am about to sign a contract with them for my dream home in NJ. Hired your guys at Positive Energy for the HVAC. Question for you, would you still do a wet applied on outside of Zip? Would you still do Boracare spray prior to interior drywall? Is there anything else you think this eliminates?
Fantastic! Love it. If it has overhangs and you do a rainscreen I think zip is plenty good. I’d still do bora care inside
I do consulting work if you’d like me to review your plans & specs
@@buildshow sent you an email via your site
With two days of retrospect, and the thought of a hurricane. How would one of these buildings hold up compared to conventional building during a hurricane? 🤔
Kept looking and thinking about this wall design.. Then it struck me the is the first manufactured wall system that is 100% wall system that was designed many years ago buildingscience.com, Joe Lstiburek perfect wall. After looking at this I am going OH OK now it makes sense. Just curious why you did not mention that this is exactly what Bensonwood is producing
Why isn’t every build with fluid seal ? Your last show pretty mush proved all other ways are aerobics
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I thought they were timber framers?
Yes the structural is often timber and these fill in
You're in NH and you didn't call me? How rude.
Might want to check out your inclusion of music in your videos. The one in this was all over the place making it difficult to concentrate.
The cellulose insulation's so much better than the spray foam insulation. Nontoxic with no off-gasing & making for a healthier environment all around. The chemicals coming off of spray foam insulation have been known to make some people really ill, it's extremely expensive/difficult to remove & of course, once removed ends up in landfill further polluting the environment.
Also check out Blueprint Robotics
so complicated wall assembly.. why not 8" or 10" Tstud with spray foam or regular 2x8 / foam with zip/styrofoam on outside???
They have different wall details available. One of them is similar to what you describe except it uses I joists rather than t studs and cellulose rather than spray foam.
Cellulose is far better for the environment than spray foam. It's also better in the event of a fire in the home. It's also only a fraction of the price. I've installed both. I would take cellulose over spray foam everytime for new construction.
Exterior foam would constitute a class I or II vapor retarder so it would have to be very thick for colder climates to keep sheathing above dew point. Wood fiber is vapor open and again much better for the environment. (Actually a carbon sink)
That wall will never be in my budget. The concept of building in a factory controlled environment is great though.
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cellulose always settles over time...
Not if installed at proper density.
Sound is dreadful.
Bro. You didn't even leave enough time to guess. SMH. Thumbs up tho.
A very framous builder lol
Way don't you just use brick