Pietta's PPS/50 - A Popular PPSh Plinker
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- Introduced by the Italian Pietta company in the 1970s (yes, the same Pietta that makes all those reproduction Old West revolvers and lever action rifles), the PPS/50 has been a continuously popular firearm for more than 40 years now. Designed to roughly resemble a Soviet PPSh-41 submachine gun, the PPS/50 is a semiautomatic .22 rimfire for the recreational market and nothing more. It is a simple blowback action, and perhaps the most interesting mechanical feature is its 50-round drum magazine (which is really what differentiates it from the plethora of other rimfire semiautomatic rifles on the market). The drum is remarkably reliable, and has certainly contributed to the long sustained manufacture of the PPS/50.
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Ian you've single handedly given me a new interest in life over the past year, when all of the interest in hobbies has been fading away because of severe depression. You've done a great thing for me, thank you. These videos help me stay sane sometimes. Also, the history is the best part, stop thinking of it as babbling we don't want to hear!
My ruger 10/22 is good enough for me. What I really want right now is a transferrable m2 carbine (Ian brought me to this conclusion.) :)
Too bad the one I was eyeing got auctioned, and too bad I'm buying a bergara b14 bmp right now :(((
Guns kill depression.
I know a guy with one of those, as an online friend. I've been tempted to visit him partly because of that.
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guns don't kill depression, but it gives me a fighting chance eh
mine went full auto on its own, it began to shoot like a binary giving a shot on pull and release than it began to dump mags. i contacted them back them and they told me the parts were not heat treated properly. i had the bingham version. was a fun gun.
That musta been fun and scary... Ever going to use it again?
Jacob, I had a Charter Arms AR-7 that did that. After 200 rds or so it would unexpectedly go full auto. Not safe and not funny. At the range or in the woods. I cured this by cleanings after every 150-175 rounds and using Remington Thunderbolt ammo for reliable feeding. Freakin' embarrassing at the range. Fuhgeddaboudit.
Marty Jewell some of us got balls and don’t need to impress the scoffs at the range, we got our own land and no rules
What happened to it, did they fix it or do you still have it in full auto
It's like a PPSh-41 and a Beretta 1938 had a baby.
is that a bad thing?
Night of love and vodka
The same can be said for the Zastava M49.
Literally the same thing I was thinking 😅. Not a bad design to be honest, but if I were going to spend any good money on PPS/50 I'd prefer it to be chambered in 9mm.
"Soviet SMGs are expensive"
I almost got a heart-attack...Ivan, give my vodka back, I need it
Олег Козлов Cossacks... Give me back my Cossackssss.....
Олег Козлов saw a Chicom 50 at the gun show in Oaks, PA the other day. Price tag of $50,000
lmao they cost like 200 bucks
sorry to be so off topic but does anybody know a tool to log back into an Instagram account..?
I stupidly forgot my password. I would appreciate any tips you can offer me!
@Shane Kye instablaster =)
PPShpagheti
somebody toucha my spaget!
PpshpagheTTi
pp spaghetti
Hey Ian! You have been a lot of help with my RUclips channel! Thank you so much for all the work you do. The depth you go into is amazing!
IAN, YOU MISSED SOMETHING. On the front left of the mag is a tiny hole. Insert the tool, which looked a bit like a large paperclip, into the hole, hinge it forward, slide a cartridge in, then use the tool to push it into place. with practice, the 50 rounds can be loaded with ease. The tools are often lost and rarely come with the gun when bought used. I hollowed out a place under the butt plate to keep a spare, and when i worked 3rd shift in a machine shop in the 1980's, I use to make spare ones, which I sold at $5 each in the old GUN LIST publication
Also, I know that in shooting, the gun is very surprisingly accurate, but the basic issue is that .22 ammo gets pretty 'gummy' or dirty, and after about 250 rounds, you have to stop & clean it. Also, there are two recoil springs in the rear, and they are easily kinked. if that happens, you can find a similar spring at Brownells. This is a very special gun to me, as I had one marked BINGHAM. I added a soviet 3.5x PU scope in hand lapped noubts and it was quite a neat little fun gun!
Bruce I have that paper clip thingy but don’t understand how to use it. Could you elaborate on it a little more?
@@ciscokid2444 there will be two 'ends'. If you hold it flat, one in the 'center' will point vertical, the other will point horizontal. Take the one that is horizontal and it will fit into the ole on the side of the drum mag. When properly isnerted the other end will point up. , and it will be in front of the magazine (Hold the magazine so the front is facing away from you.) 'flip' it towards you and it will push the follower down. Insert a cartridge, Flip it forward. again, and you can slide the cartidge in the magazing. Do it again, and insert another cartridge. repeat until magazine is full
Sorry for the typing errors
This is why I love this channel and mainly Ian, he dosent just like guns because they are historical and expensive, he just likes guns.
The Bingham PPS-50 retailed for $225 in 1983 and came with a 50 round drum magazine. Extra drum mags were $35 and 30 round stick mags were $20. A hell of a lot has changed in 37 years.
I first read about it in a 1983 issue of " Popular .22's" magazine by Phil Engeldrum. I knew a guy looking to sell his and he wanted $200 for the gun and two magazines (one 30rd and one 50rd). That was in 1984 and I could kick myself for not jumping at the deal. I have a very informative review of the PPS-50 from that publication. Shoulda bought the dang gun. Fuhgeddaboudit.
Same…I drug my feet on this years ago and then the itch hit….a couple of 30 rounders a drum mag and the gun now adds up to $550-$600! 🤦♂️
@@69CamaroSS That freakin' gun should be sold by "prescription only", it's that addictive. And just about the most fun you can have with your pants on.
As much as i love shooting all my guns 22LR still is my favorite plinking round. I kinda want one of these now.
I think this is the first gun on this channel I could actually afford.
I don't think I'd want something that looks different from what it is, but I enjoy learning about what people have done in this hobby.
Ian: thank you for doing this video on the pietta ppsh 50. Has one back in the mid 80s. Had a blast with it. Hated loading it.
That looks a ridiculous amount of fun!
In this lot are 3 SUPER FUN guns. Ian I wish you had shown the other two. This Pietta sold at Marstar for $375.00 CND ($307.00 USD) and is sold out. The Wise Lite/Sterling S/A Sporter Carbine sold at Rock Island in 2016 for $1150.00 USD. The U.S. Inland M1 Carbine with Bayonet are running at about $1000.00 USD. So the Estimate Price: $1,200 - $1,800 is real reasonable. Can't wait to see the "Ian Premium" on this lot.
The "Ian Premium" is usually Top+%50. So if it makes $2.7K the seller can thank gun Jesus for the extra $900..
Reminds me of the old Mitchell Arm .22 Rifles. Hell I got a old Jager AP-62 rifle with a Folding stock. Love that little .22 Rifle.
I literally JUST bought one of these just a couple days ago at my local gun store! Awesome coincidence if I ever saw one.
I like the PPSH-41 and I understand why they are so expensive after the federal full-auto ban of '86 but I can never get around the fact that I'm paying thousands of dollars for what is essentially scrap metal. These guns were being churned out like hotcakes during the war, they used low quality steel and wood, they were stamped not machined and if you look at one closely you will see that pretty much everything from the stamping to the assembly is sloppy and uneven. I get it, that's all part of the charm of these guns, but the idea that something that any half-decent metal worker could make in their backyard out of scrap-metal if it were legal is now worth tens of thousands of dollars is just crazy xD
Howie Felterbush artificially low supply because of the US government
@@envrnmntlsm yup. If you want a legal and authentic WW2 SMG you have to pay for all the paperwork, tax and in many cases outbid all the other people looking to buy the gun because the best place to sell this stuff is at an auction.
So it doesn't go BURRRRRP?
The ting goes skrrrra
Panzermeister36 you can go full on that if you have bump fire skills
It could if you open bolted the thing. Which is a must with .22s
It only goes "B" since it semi-auto.
interesting design details in the magazine, thanks for showing that
Pretty interesting to see this older model. I have a newer model and the differences are notable. Sadly I don't have a drum mag as of yet, just the 30 round sticks. The newer models have cuts for scope mounts, which is nice. All in all it is a great plinkster and I love mine.
Must be a blast to shoot! I have a Pietta 1858 repro, the finish isn't great but it's solid and works when you want it to, much like the rest of Pietta's inventory.
Two words to describe this weapon/plinker...WICKED SLICK! Sure hafta find me one of these...getting bored with my SW15-22. Thnx brother & best wishes, MIKE.
I was going to buy one off a friend of mine. Great fun to shoot but I'm sure his mag had lost one of the rubber followers as it wouldn't chamber the last round. Ended up getting an Armi Jager .22 which has the same sort of appeal to the PPS. Also a fun plinker.
Please talk with some of your Marstar buddies up in Canada to bring in more of these!
Wow, that version looks a LOT better than the newer ones!
The newer ones aren't blued like that, and the new plastic drums don't have that charm.
This seems like something people would mod the hell out of for fun
It has SA marked on the side of the receiver. It must be a Finnish capture.
That is actually one neat looking little plinker!
Too bad the dummy-follower cartridges tend to dry up and fall apart. But a replacement could be CAD-designed and 3d-printed maybe? That would make it easier for owners to get spare parts.
toomanyaccounts Great! Problem solved. My work here is done.
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You know how hard it is to model and 3d print using the AutoCAD software? I mean I guess you can download templates. But hell, that seems ridicuously difficult. Xd
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I guess 'cause imma noob at AutoCAD. I use Autodesk Inventor personally soo. :D
Dell Conagher Dell Conagher Thank you for your concern. I know how to use CAD, and prefer to use Fusion360.
I've actually got a few 3d-printing projects of my own design comming on my own channel, so feel free to check them out in the near future.
Thats one nice looking ppsh
To me, it always looked more like a Beretta-ish SMG. At least with straight mag instead of the drum.
Exactly what I also thought. Thei failed completely at making this look like a PPSh-41. But an authentic replica maybe wasn't the goal.
Enjoyed the video/history, I got my first one in 1988 and a Mitchell one in 2015, Fun rifle.
Recently got one of these, ridiculously fun and cool gun.
Who else here would love if you were able to get ahold of a G-11? I think it’d be an amazing look into futuristic weaponry ;)
Wow, I had no idea the PPS/50 had been around for so long.
To me that looks a lot more like a Beretta 38 than a PPSH (aside from the drum mag of course)
It would be amazing if somehow you guys could get ahold of a Howa Type 64 rifle. Its a Japanese rifle used by their ground forces. If somehow you guys could get one and show it off, that would be awesome!
I think it's almost impossible since exportation of military designated weapons in Japan is illegal.
Alright Pietta! I have an 1860 Colt Army repro, and had no idea they made these. Must have!
I know someone whos friend bought one of these new in the 1970s. It broke at the range and went full auto with no modifications.
The rear sight and buttplate look like they are taken right off a 10/22
yep, that was my first thought as well
and here i thought that all that i wanted from pietta were all their black powder pistols. they've got very talented artists and engravers, even if they throw 200-500€ premiums on those pieces. their cavalry lemat is a work of art, and i'd own it just for its aesthetics alone (because even lemat enthusiasts agree that it's not the funnest pistol to shoot, and the ram rod does get loose over time).
oh, well, guess that this is going in the wish list too, as soon as my paperwork finally clears the checks.
Good and useful information in this video,...good stuff!
Thanks for this.
I owned one of these. The dual recoil springs and guide broke. Uses AR7 parts for the action. Was a pain to repair. Sold it for a CZ52 pistol that left service in 1997 last year.
Same here. The thing is junk.
Cool!!!! I'd like to get my hands on one!
If an m14 in 7.62x39 is communist heresey, does that make this capitalist heresey?
Ulysses S. Grant If that is true, well damn, guess I'm a heretic to both!
Hey Ian, there is a 30-03 Springfield in the February auction, could you take a look at it.
Yessss! He said PaPaSha! (meaning father or dad in russian, a nickname given to this SMG)
the dummy cartridge trio remind me of the A-180, glorious drum 22s
The Same places where it's difficult to own a WW2 gun it's Also illegal to have 50 round drums
Yay killjoys
Rensune
Eh, the Hoplophobia won't last.
Rensune i think he was referring to Canada. Where you can own one of these with a 50 round drum because rimfire rifles have no magazine limits.
Aside from 10/22s. Pretty sure Those can only have 10 round magazines now.
Rensune the ppsh-41 have a 72 rounds magazine
thanks to some RCMP asshat......as for RCMP "expertise" a few yeas ago the range I was going to in BC had a suicide by revolver....the two attending RCMP had to get a Range Officer to unload the revolver for them as they didn't know how.....kind of fills one with overwhelming confidence!
toomanyaccounts oh okay
What a vibrant looking weapon
Always wanted one of these.....
I would love if you guys could get your hands on the FNC and do a review on it :)
You nailed the pronunciation! "ППШ" Hooray!:)
Hey Ian pietta was suppose to make a 22lr mini Sterling would be nice if you do a video on that !! By the way I bought a pps-50 however mine has à weird tactical chassis on it
I’ve always thought these look closer to the PPD-40 rather than the PPSH-41
I had no idea this had been around so long.
They're really popular in canada
crosman177
I wonder why though; I hate how painfully chincy these are production wise on the newer ones.
Not anymore
"once you fold sights down you have..no sights..so you might as well leave that up!" thanks, Ian
I have always wanted this pietta but in nj we have a 10 round mag limit.
To be honest,it looks more like a PPD-40 than a PPSH-41.Who here agrees?
Definitely not George S.Patton troll um português aqui, e bom ver que não sou o único
Ghost Warrior É sempre bom saber que não estamos sozinhos.
Definitely not George S.Patton troll looks more like a Beretta 38A
I was thinking the same thing. It doesn't really remind me of a PPSH41 nearly as much as a PPD.
Looks like a mix of the mp18 and ppsh
Usually available here in Canuckistan via Marstar. Wood stock not far different than the one in the video (just darker) and also available in "Tacticool" configuration (polymer stock, vertical foregrip). Not terribly priced..in Canadian terms, anyway..just currently out of stock...
Here before the video gets public
What makes it actually run is three dummies at the top. Much like our government. 5:47
😂sad but true
This guy ^^^ XD
""It takes three dummies at the top.""
=•D that's funny !!
Oh, if just the top one would be accidentally chambered and lost...
Well said brother, very well said!
It makes me sad that I cannot own something like this with the drum mag, as it is basically impossible to get a class D licence here in Australia. If I was to get it with only the ten round mag, it would be class C, and for that licence I need to be using it for pest control as a contracted pest controller. Not, I can't take it to the range, I can ONLY use it for pest control while under contract.
+The Fridge I wonder if you could buy an authentic PPSH-41 for "pest control" in Australia under a class D license? I bet you could charge a lot of cash to let dudes mow down roos with a soviet smg. I looked into firearm ownership in NSW and all the bullshit turned me off, not to mention their mounting requirements for gun safes made it completely impossible where I was living.
Cat d is semi auto only. Also 10rd mag max.
Cat C is semi-auto rimfire 10 round max.
Cat D is semi-auto rimfire no mag restriction.
ssaasa.org.au/resources/license-information/
I'd say the stock and barrel shroud look closer to a Beratta Model 38
..well...they "are" Italian made....
That's just a cool lil .22lr👍
I can’t get the charge handle to come out of the bolt so I can clean it do you know what that’s about.
Do does anybody know where I can find a detailed explanation on how is ppsh machine gun drum magazine works particularly the magazines spring box
just check the forgotten weapons ppsh videos :)
Roger Wennström unfortunately the video doesn't explain the magazines spring box I just can't make heads or tails of that one but thank you for suggestion
You had me at 22 rimfire
It looks like a Beretta 38a not a PPSh-41
HOW DARE YOU QUESTION OUR LORD AND SAVIOR, IAN.
(Its possibly a representation of both)
Love it, gotta get one
Its not a bad looking .22, wonder if you can get a choice in furniture color? (also, what would happen if you replaced the rubber dummies with live rounds?)
A beauty right there
Ian do a punt gun episode
Keep Public Servants Accountable YES
Muzzle lit stack of black powder model rocket motors - 'Boaty McGun Jesus' sings 'Up in smoke, that's . . .'
Anybody else notice the little spit hit the bolt at 3:24 ?
Lots of fun in that gun :)
How do lock the bolt back to put in /release mag?
Is that drum gear Nylon or reain ceramic?
Not nocking it, reminds me upscaled of when replacing worn out gears on various cordless drills.
P.S. if Nylon etc wiuld that system be viable on a .302
I have a pps50 and I like it. But how much did you get for that one .if you got a lot I will sale my to it's all black
Man do I love SMGs. Since it is nearly impossible for me acquire a real full auto smg, I like to collect 22 smg look a likes which are nice because cheep to buy and cheep to shoot. Also, the pps/50 looks more like some of those Swiss and Finnish smgs rather than a pps43.
Hey Ian, do you know if you'll be able to check out a fedorov m1916 again?
An M1, Sterling, and this thing all together in one lot? Oh I need to watch that one, especially with such a low estimated value.
looked at the auction listing, not a bad price really, but i do love the m1 carbines,
Is it a free floated barrel with a shroud around it ?
Looks more like a PPD than a PPSh in my opinion, still very cool.
Lucas Hagg looks like a Beretta 38a
Is this the same as the mitchels Mauser version?
we need daily videos back!
This makes me want to bust a cap on a business owner who hasn't been paying for protection
reminds me of a PPD-40
Very cute, but would've been like ten times cooler if it was full auto aswell!
might be possible to mod a binary trigger in there...
I see a lot of 10/22 in that thing... Even when I'm not looking at it as a 22lr gun. I think the designer liked the Ruger 10/22.
They need this in 22WMR for Adults and a 17HMR or I guess this 22LR would be perfect for kids!!! If I was to get a 22LR, I would definitely put SuperSonic 1400FPS Mini-Mags through it, I do love Rimfire "Fun Guns", but I want it to serve a purpose if it needed too, like The full auto AM-180 .22LR that actually seen service in either WW2, Korea, or Vietnam I don't recall at the moment abut anyone including me or anyone else who knows guns, ballistics, a smith, or str8 up "Gun Nerds" would say, "if you can't drop a medium-large target with a full Drum or 30round Stick Mag in 22LR you dont deserve or have enough practice to play with the bigger boys toys", lol. I've seen ppl with absolutely no experience with a gun and havent even seen a real one, yet they know more about weapons and the damage they do then me and lots of experienced ppl, simply from playing very detailed new video games all day, specifically every War Strategy Game and Detailed First Person Sh00ter games, but they dont know the reality of it or how to handle a weapon properly as Video games teach you bad Trigger Discipline as your finger is always on the Trigger Button so thats one thing I notice when war game nerds, I'm talking spoiled basement kids who play all day every day, not actual Vets or Gun Lovers who happen to like the New realism of video games. Anyway lol I would definately consider this but I'd use Mini-Mags, i dunno how a drum in 22mag would perform and it would definately need an upgrade, specifically a larger ejection port and a drum about 2-3cm thicker than that, but that one does look decently thick, however it's on a short rifle so it would need to be a lil wider probly and a 17HMR or 22WMR Barrel switch but 17HMR is necked down 22WMR so the magazines drum or stick could be used for both 17HMR/22WMR, if Kel-Tec can pull off their wicked CMR30 short rifle in 22WMR and the PMR30 pistol in 22WMR with mostly tough plastics and 3D printers, then Pietta can do it, 22WMR is hands down the best Rimfire Round and out of a rifle barrel they travel from 1900-2750 FPS and 16-1850FPS out of a 4-5inch barrel pistol, super Lethal, Super Fast, much Cheaper Rounds then centrefire 5.7x28 and the speed and damage is pretty dam close to the same as 5.7, even S&W cashed in on 22WMR with the 30 round M&P 22Magnum, and Walther recently with the 15 round WMP 22WMR, ballistically 22mag is 2-2.5× more powerful and Lethal then the 22LR, especially the 1900-2200FPS JHP Rounds that actually frag, unlike basically useless 22LR hollow points that do nothing but slow the bullet down cuz the point of toothpick barely fits in the end so they dont frag at all with soft targets, if it's a steel or hard cement or ceramic wall it'll crush, but hardly fragment, 22mag is just slightly wider so they actually frag, and round nose slugs like Speer Gold Dots cruise at 2500FPS from a rifle and will most likely enter and exit if nothing hard is in the way that screws with uts trajectory. I love 22WMR and 22LR and both can definately be used for defense if your experienced, I just love how a 22mag is twice as loud and spits fire and a slug will travel alot further then a 22LR slug. Lol anyone else agree Pietta should make a 17HMR/22WMR editions????
Is there not a reproduction available in 7.62x25??
How about AAI ACR rifle can you review one
Piettà in italian language is used when you ask at some one to do stop to do samthing of bad
nope,is pietà! and the same world can be use for say for give me,have marcy
Another option is bb guns as you don't need a license to own a bb gun in most of the us, however of course people are paranoid of those as well. A fully automatic bb gun is harmless and the most you can do is poke somone in the eye, but that has never stopped new york.
Looks more like a PPD-40 than a PPSH-41
So the drum works in a nearly identical way to the Nerf 25- and 35-round drums. Interesting.
Ugh.... person next to me saw this video and goes “Oh dude is that the gun from Call of Duty World War 2??”
-_-
Kody posting twice makes the comment more believable buddy, keep doing it.
'Twas an internet error, friend. School wi-fi is acting up, as usual. No need for sarcastic remarks.
Kody So did you take the chance to "educate" them or did you just scoff at them? [This is supposed to be a neutral comment]
I gave a passive aggressive remark, and said, "No, it's the gun from real life."
But then, after that, I told them what it really was, and all. It does quite bug me when people automatically just connect firearms to video games they play, even if it is what's to be expected. Just a pet peeve of mine, really.
Kody Fair enough.