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- South Australian Metropolitan Fire Service firefighters from Scania P400 Combination Aerial Pumping Appliance Woodville #203, Scania P310 pumper Woodville #249, and Scania P320 pumper Port Adelaide #257 battling a car and garage fire in Alberton.
South Australian Ambulance Service Mercedes-Benz Sprinter ambulance #148 also attended the scene, as well as an SA Police Kia Sorento, and ZB Holden Commodore.
The car and garage were destroyed in the blaze, but neighbours and firefighters were able to prevent the flames from spreading to the house next door, using a circular saw to cut through the roller door for access.
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I'll try to clear up some misconceptions in the comments -
The initial priority for the first arriving crew would likely have been to protect exposures as you can a section of the house was already burning (3:01). The shed and its contents were already fully involved and a probable loss by the time the first crew arrived, so mounting an agressive interior attack with the available manpower would have been inneffective. Instead they used their side-lines to quickly attack the exterior fire until further appliances arrived. You can also see that one side line has been stretched over the fence on the far side of the shed. A few minutes later the fire is mostly knocked down, and you can see at the beginning of the video that there appears to be an opening on that side of the shed. Therefore some kind of interior attack may have occured there that isn't visible to the camera (which would explain the rapid knock down). And as others have mentioned, opening up the door in a very hot, fully-involved structure is not a smart idea because of the potential for a flashover. The roller door at the front was probably only opened later on to allow easier access to the seat of the fire and to allow for overhaul to be performed more effectively. Not saying it was perfect, just clearing up some misconceptions.
The BEST way to protect exposures is to put out the fire...
@@ffjsb While that is true I will give you an example to clear up why it isn't the most efficient way to protect exposures, imagine a crew of 4 arrive at a full going house fire, their next additional appliance is about 2 minutes away, like in this video. Say there was a house 30CM away from the other house and the wind is pushing flames and heat towards the other house. in that situation would you prioritise putting out the main fire?
@@AustinsMadness Every fire is different, but generally putting out the fire (or knocking it down) is the BEST way to protect exposures. A exposure 3 feet away is an extremely rare ( and rather ridiculous) scenario.
@@ffjsb before I actually continue in this are you an active structural firefighter in Australia?
@@AustinsMadness I've been on the job for over 40 years and have a major in Fire Science...the country doesn't matter.
Care to continue??
Aaaaaand the Inevitable neighbor with the garden hose
Everyone screaming about late entry. No one thinking of a side entry door on the left side of the building. They had water inside on the fire as you start seeing white smoke. They had 2 lines over the fence and in the building long before the roll up door was cut.
The garage was NOT the priority in this case and the OIC failed to make any sort of initial attack plan. He should have been first off the appliance and asking the pertinent questions if any persons were involved and any likely hazards but the two branch men had donned BA and started up then had the reel off before the OIC got his arse of his seat; not good at all. The house exposure was the priority and they initially failed to recognise that and were lacking in any form of direction by the OIC. Unfortunately the two branch men appeared to be rather lacking in experience and it would seem it was only a crew of four. This is what happens when politics plays it's part in financing a critical public service....the ridership factor suffers. Not enough bums on seats, there should be a minimum crew of five and preferably six. For all those saying we'll done you must have very limited aspirations.
Nice Video! Rubber hose quick to throw water on fire and easy to pack up when the job is done!
SOP to use a first reaction line while main lines are being established.
Most appliances have one or two reels. The primary pump at my local station has one on each side, plus a monitor (deck gun). Quite often they're enough, but in the case they go interior they will usually go for a layflat hose that won't melt and can be extended.
Quick to throw water on metal siding designed to REPEL water... SMH.
good footage.
Excellent job. Good use of booster lines. Well done.
I liked the speed with which they get water on the fire. I liked the way they didn't have to burn down the neighbors to make a better fire spectacle (like the US firefighters seem to do). I was disappointed he didn't cut a Z (for Zorro) in the garage door...
Overall, I found it way superior to US firefighting efforts. Good stuff.
Do you like putting down U.S. Fire fighters? Many of the US trucks don't even carry the reel line any longer except on brush trucks and most have gone to the 1 3/4 lines that you cannot pull 20 feet and flow water. From what it looks two 1" trash or hard rubber lines were pulled and put into service and yes they did a heck of a job with those lines. How long does it take for then to do a flat lay hook up before water flows there?
@@georgemessler3345 Why would I need to put down US firefighters? Or any firefighters? Besides, you just did it yourself by saying they don't have the suitable equipment. What we rather have here is an example of what US firefighters could be, or achieve, if they had suitable equipment, attitude and motivation.
Overall, I found it way superior to US firefighting efforts. Good stuff.
@@mythos5809 "I liked the way they didn't have to burn down the neighbors to make a better fire spectacle (like the US firefighters seem to do". I think that would be taken as an insult. And I never said anything about not having the right equiptment, most of the departments did away with the reel lines because they felt they could handle the job with a 1 3/4 line better than using the 1". They were primary lines for trash and car fires and since then started to pipe a front bumper spot for the larger hose they got rid of the reels. There are still engines that have the reel system but compared to 20 or more years ago you will find more of the larger hose. As I said they are common on our brush trucks and smaller squad trucks.
The US departments will not spray a drop if there is any possible entrapment so until the primary search is clear you wait for water. And yes there are huge diffrences in the way fires are fought.I was in Australia for a few different summers and the wildfires.
@@georgemessler3345 You protest too much.
@@mythos5809 Really? Ahhh gee Thank you!!!!
none of you guys in the comments have heard of a thing called "exposures" have you... its better to protect the exposures (neighbouring properties) than to take your three(1) man crew into a building and start attacking a fire..
but, of course, being a random person on the internet you clearly know more than an actual firefighter does about firefighting.
1: average urban pump only carries 5 people, one is the pump operator, one is the officer, leaving you with 3 people for a BA team.
Guess you don't know the best way to protect exposures is to PUT OUT THE FIRE...
@@ffjsb Thats not my point. I meant there's better ways to protect exposures than sending 3 people into a burning structure when there's nobody else who can serve as a rescue crew. Not to mention as other people have said, the shed was already fully engulfed and not salvageable, making exposures the most important thing.
@@ffjsb yea cause its as simple as that lol
@@garlicbreadlikesqfes Who said you have to send anyone in anything?? A couple of good whacks with a fire axe would make a hole in the sheet metal big enough to stick the nozzle in and knock down the fire. These are BASIC tactics.
@@SEQFirstResponders-ci8sk It IS just as simple as that. Have you actually ever fought a fire???
He kept it from spreading! Not much he could do about the garage. 😊
7:21 the water is in a straight line😂
station 25 is port Adelaide, 24 is woodville,
just a suggestion.... make that watermark smaller or at least less obvious.....overkill ....... good video btw
Nice video
Too Dangerous with a fire of that magnitude. Explosion would result. Use a breach nozzel and douse with wet water.
The cops, as they often do, are parked way too close to the area of fire operations. They are in the way if a truck needs to relocate for some reason. They should be 50 to 100 metres from the scene, IMO.
Lots of armchair firefighters on here, eh? (in the comments)
Bruh, there is no "pre-arrival" the truck was already on scene before you were. Just speed more, buy a house near a MFS station and annoy the sh!t out of them on every callout! poor MFS :( BTW when you go in after, there is a lot of crap in the air which is why we are meant to wear SCBA!
Oh wow
8:27 Oh, of course... because after all of this time, using powered cutting tools is apparently not an option....?
They quick off the mark on first arrival . And one question does the green on the pump mine anything ?
HAZMAT
It signifies that it is a pumper with extended HAZMAT equipment.
V cut overhead door with line ready.. metal saw blade 10 minutes its s knock..
I guess they don't believe in cutting tools to get that garage door open?
Should have cut the door first thing !
But the video was a good job !
hazmat appliances (green wings) do not carry disc cutters, in favour of specialist hazmat equipment. They must have been the closest appliance available and so did what they could with what they had.
You let the fire suffocate until you have enough manpower to hold back extension AND get the door cut open. Without water for cooling the interior gasses, you invite Flashover when you just open the door. Only in the USA do they vent the crap out of a structure with no water application at all. In countries outside the USA, the firefighters usually THINK rather than just react.
A stream of water penetrating small spaces acts like a sprinkler head as it enters the compartment. If you look closely, they knocked this down before the =door was opened.
No wrong. They did it the right way. Who are you? Not a fire fighter I hope!
Why would you waste time cutting the roller door first thing when you can gain entry from the already open side door?
@@GrantfromEarth what side door ? Video dose not show any other door at all ??
Do they not open up a structure to get hose line into the fire compartment? Odd! Okay they finally opened up!
You let the fire suffocate until you have enough manpower to hold back extension AND get the door cut open. Without water for cooling the interior gasses, you invite Flashover when you just open the door. In countries outside the USA, the firefighters usually THINK rather than just react.
@@JB91710 Agreed. The metal siding would hold the fire quite well, but needed cooling to prevent secondary radiation. Want to avoid a flash over at all costs and be able to contain potential liquid explosions. Far better than US doctrine which is to risk lives immediately then think.
@@JB91710Good answer!
Entry was gained via the side of the garage by opening the door with their hands...breaking out disk cutters and chainsaws not always necesarily immediately required.
So opening the roll up door not an option to access the interior?
The roller door was locked, but the owner who was at the scene must not have had a key available. He was working on the car in the garage and dropped an oily rag on a hot light apparently.
I was wondering if the heat inside made the door tracks warp or buckle so the door couldn’t move because of that,
So the roller door was locked and there was no key to open it? They had (I’m guessing) $1.5 mil worth of equipment and not one person grabbed a pole or K-12 to open the damn thing? Not having a key? Are you kidding me? That sounds ridiculous and that dept needs to go back to the drawing board on tactics.
@@ronbechteljr1561 Not all SAMFS trucks carry equipment like K-12 saws, you see later on in the video a pumper arrives with yellow panels on it indicating that it carries rescue equipment, the first pumper on scene is a hazmat equipped pumper and carries more hazmat related items instead of rescue equipment.
@@Adelaide_Transit Bet it had an axe or forcible entry tool that would EASILY made a hole in the door to put water ON the fire....
That need to yoo a k12 saw open up groge let out the smoke in side the groge
Use breaching charge to open garage door.
unfortunately not all stations globally have the same policy and to use a charge without knowing whats on the other side could be good or really bad....thus why we are not fire fighters
I was for 26 yrs and that looked like a monkey f’n a football. Not one person had a tool or saw they could’ve easily popped the side w/the uneven panel. That dept better go back to the drawing board on tactics.
Not a bad idea, if there was anything valuable inside. But the structure would collapse completely. Would also have set up fireteam positions at road corners, and a SAW line of fire either side of garage. Then, a couple of RPG teams to take out the fire engines a block away, too.That should be sufficient to keep those pesky firefighters away...
. Nobody got ax or halogen tool
Well alrighty then...That was different ...ok very different!
As an American, it's disorienting to see white helmets doing all the work.
In the USA you see Nobody doing any effective work.
White are fire crews yellow are captins
yup, as you can tell, over here its reversed.
Burned car looks like an old Saab 99.
Yeah, it certainly has the right hood for a SAAB :)
How do you keep your turnout gear so nice and new looking? One structure fire and our gear is stained or worse and yet these guys,even their gloves look like they just came out of the package. Look at 16:10, not veven a stained helmet.
Because of rigorous decontamination and cleaning procedures. WH&S to help keep firefighters safe.
At structure fires structure gear is segregated and decotaminated asap.
If my bushfire brigade goes to a vehicle fire, all our turnout gear gets bagged to go in to the HQ laundry as soon as we get back to the station. Nasty stuff settles on our clothing.
Bushfires, maybe after two or three callouts.
@@elinor6525 We have decon too but no matter how much decon we have after a few fires our gear never again looks new or even close to what these look like. Some of our gear looks worn out after just a few scene overhauls but we do wash down at every scene.
Anyone gonna open the roll up door?
Where overhaul
If I were first O/s first nozzle west exousures while second crewman opens the door of the garage while the nozzle moves into attack
Thats literally exactly what happened...i take it you are fixated on the roller door and not noticing that primary entry was already gained through the other side of the building in the first 2 minutes?? Hopefully if you were the first officer on scene, with all your experience and expertise, you would have conducted a 360 and noticed the already large hole waiting for firefighters...
They do a bad job with there pass device as we do in the US not silence them
Yeah, that was pretty embarrassing to be honest...
Yea well this isn’t the us isn’t it
What area?
Alberton, just off Port Road.
Speaking of cops, I note the SA cops drive Kias, while British cops drive BMWs, Audis, Skodas, much better class of vehicle, and less risk of engine deciding to take a break part way through a response.
Over in NSW we have beemers, and Chryslers on highways, and then subies and Toyotas
A Kia is 10 times more reliable than a BMW.
You says this, however British police forces have stopped using BMWs due to the engines exploding during 999 responses, several leading to the deaths of the officers in the vehicles.
LOL SA cops just finished a trial of several European cars, including BMW'S and rejected them due to reliability issues
No one, public or private, who requires reliability from their vehicle would drive a beemer.
I love how much more common sense we have compered to americans in the same situation.
have you ever been to a garage fire in person with American fire personel?
Exposure side first guys......oh dear me.
Well that was awkward
I know having your garage burn down always is. At least the fireies did a good job on it.
I get this is a different country, but why did so many people have white helmets?
White helmets are 'ordinary' firefighters. Colours are officers.
In my brigade, yellow helmets for 4,3,2 officers with different colour sticker stripe, Chief - red helmet.
My helmet is red.
Very aggressive fire attack 🙄
If the fence was made from glass you would be able to see the aggressive internal attack that took place. There is 2 more sides to this building and neither of them are visible from this point of view. If you are a fire fighter i would suggest you should know better than to make fire ground assumptions like that
Do you guys speak English down there?
Sort of! ;-)
Probably more so than the U.S. anymore.
Mostly ;)
I guess these Firefighters don't bother to fight fires on the interior of a structure. They have to keep that pretty firefighting gear spotless.
There must be an entrance or a window on the side you can't see. They couldn't have put it out that fast from the exterior only.
Stupid comment!
I guess you didnt see the firefighters go over the fence and access the interior of the garage through the already open door?
too long to get forcible entry done. Water is fine when you put it on the actual fire.
You let the fire suffocate until you have enough manpower to hold back extension AND get the door cut open. Without water for cooling the interior gasses, you invite Flashover when you just open the door.
The first appliance on scene only carries light forceable entry equipment, the wings on the front of it are green indicating that the pumper carries hazmat equipment as opposed to rescue equipment, later int eh video you see a pumper with yellow wings which is a rescue equipped appliance and has disc cutters onboard.
Looks like what they did worked
It doesn’t matter about the time, it’ not like you know what their strategy is, but it clearly worked. What they were doing was something you would probably never learn about unless if you train for being a fireman. These comments are unnecessary.
Another fucken vol. It's a fucken garage you drip. Forcible entry, what a fucken wanker
Do these guys never train on how to put a hole in sheet metal so you can PUT OUT THE FIRE????
Primary entry was gained via a side door in the first couple of minutes. In the end it was decided to cut the roller door to assist with mop up and salvage operations.
@@GrantfromEarth A Halligan or flat head axe would've gave access in SECONDS. There's no salvage here, it's all going to the dump.
@@ffjsb we'd rather spend our time putting water on the fire than play with tools when its unnecessary. Thats why we dont lose 2 homes to the spread while we run around dragging hoses and cutting holes in roofs and anything else we can find.
@@GrantfromEarth Tell you what Skippy, why don't you collect your thoughts and put them into ONE post... SMH
You also CANNOT put water on a fire by spraying metal siding, it has a funny characteristic of REPELLING water. If you don't drag a hose to the fire, how do you put water on the fire??? You guys play flutes like Indian snake charmers and the hose moves all by it's self??? If you don't do ventilation, please tell me why you have axes and saws?
Are you even off probation from the fire academy yet kid?
@@ffjsb its not the 70's anymore. Time for you seppos to step into the 21st century
You know you are not doing your job right if your clothes aren’t stained. 😅😅😅
In Australia we have a rigorous decontamination and clothing cleaning protocol.
WH&S.
Here, if your gear is constantly filthy, it's not a badge of honour because it means you are not taking care of yourself or your mates.
My bushfire gear is stained, but it's been laundered after every vehicle fire, and after every two or three bushfires depending how bad it is.
I'm the Chief of my bushfire brigade, dirty gear is a no-no. Everyone has access to a spare set of turnout gear while their primary set is being laundered. Lots of spare consumables too, half face respirator filters, gloves, P2 masks, sunglasses, earplugs, goggles.
✅ 𝓟Ř𝔬𝓂𝔬𝐒ϻ
They should not be spraying it with regular water it’s a danger
Sparkling water? Spring water? Maybe flavored water ?🚒💨
@@davidweston6653 🤣 Salt water, good for the pumps lol
Seltzer water?
@@virgilhilts3924 I like it! One classy fire department 🚒💨
@@davidweston6653 Perrier, the best.
And you guys call yourself professional firefighters hahahahaha what a joke
And what do you call your self lol?
So called professional firefighters can’t even turn their dsu off . And yep all those selection tests and training and you still think putting water on hot metal will put the actual fire out… haha shouldering a door um.. ok hero.. seriously I can’t believe you guys want pay rises.. maybe ask your second jobs for one. Over rated service
Oh another ytube exsssspert!
@@aflaz171 So true, cooling the structure is a priority I would have thought, there was a side door anyway.
For a “professional” fire service and ridiculous testing and selection requirements and process this is actually appalling. Old mate can’t even turn his DSU off, and what good is squirting water at a tin wall wow, hand it over to the volunteers who do a way better job thanks and do us all a favour