While this setup is mostly beneficial for the live environment, it is effectively another Bus option which might be helpful in your DAW if you are building and recording some Buses. Good luck.
Thank you very much, Ive been using, the not so preferred Yamaha TF1 at work for the last 2 years, I have forgotten so much of the UI on the M32R but thanks to your vid I got a refresher on how to route the SUBS on a separate fader. Nice vid, keep up the good work. Cheers from the UK :-)
Thanks Dave. Thank you for the message I appreciate that. Maybe you can assist? I’m having issues getting signal from my M32R to my MacBook Air M2 running Garage band. All software updated to the latest versions. Wondering what I’m doing wrong? I’ve tried to looking for videos on here but nothing that’s solving me issue. Let me know if you can assist? Thanks Dave. Cheers Sean
two things to check... 1) Make sure your Routing > Card tab match your Routing > Inputs settings. This confirms your inputs will route out to the card to be received. 2) My assumption is that you are attempting to use Garage Band as a DAW to record, but understand that Garage Band is limited to only two inputs. You will NOT be able to multitrack record all 32 inputs at the same time into Garage Band. You could setup to have a board mix or livestream mix or some other stereo mix captured into garage Band, but you won't be able to capture all inputs individually. That being said, understand that by default, Garage Band only sees USB 1/2. I hope this helps. I am happy to assist further if you need to get some details specifically set. Let me know.
My stuff is gained in such a way that 0 is the lowest and +1.4 is the loudest I can go without bothering anyone. The subs are always subtle so you can hear a balance of mid and highs with those lows cuz they lows sound big
If you have something that is working then you are in a good place. I usually want to make sure the PA is tuned properly which provides me some more flexibility in how I can use the fader to send signal to my subs. Often times when a company does an install they just crank the amps all the way up, so it might be worth looking at the settings on the amps for the sub in case you can make adjustments and grab more flexibility. Obviously, in the end if it is working, don't change anything.
@AllamHouse I would normally send to my subs through a matrix. And I used to be a aux fed sub guy for many years. I had the RM32ai and it was easy. Then, I discovered the X32 and ever since, i have been using the matrix. I have a show coming up that consists of drums, bass, and acoustic guitar. Along with three vocals. Your idea of sending to the M/C would be perfect in this scenario. I’m not going to want everything in the sub like I would do for an outside event. This case is a wedding reception. The main act is from Cali and I don’t want any vocal in the sub or acoustic. Also in my case, I’m going to send the M/C to the matrix I usually use for subs. Sort of a best of both worlds type thing. On my rack x32 I have all my matrix outputs coming from the 1/4” aux outs to a patch panel on the back of the mixer rack. These then go to the powered top speakers and subs amps. I don’t use DSP other than the EQ on the matrices. I also have delay tower out and either a stereo pair for a video feed, or front fills. It’s what I use at Utica Square for the summer’s fifth night series. I think you’re in Owasso, if I remember correctly. Maybe that was a different content creator, but not sure now.
That’s very good information but I have a question, I’m working with a x32 compact and I do want to do this but do I need to eq the channel to a low cut or high cut to just isolate the low frequency for the subs?
You still want to EQ your inputs according to your needs for each input. The signal will then go to your top cabinets where you will (most likely) get the upper frequencies coming through and then your AUX SUB where you would get the sub frequencies. The channel EQ will impact the entire input therefore the entire sound coming from your PA. The EQ on the mains or the AUX (feeding your sub) will just determine what frequencies leave the board and go to your speakers. I hope this helps.
If you are running an AUX Fed Sub you want to only send the instruments that you need the super low end from which is typically Kick Drum and Bass guitar. If you have a piano heavy band with no bass then you can run the keys into the sub, but the nice part is that you can always adjust the amount of each instrument going into the subs so you can play with it and if the mix gets muddy you can trim back on the "extra" instruments going to the sub.
Currently the monitors are just sitting on that basic plastic liner. I have foam I put under them when I am actually mixing, but this setup keeps getting moved around as I swap between my Wing and X32 depending on what I'm doing that week.
Allan. I have x32 console. How do I setup my subs woofers for drums and bass guitar to only come out my subs. I’m trying to set it up for our group for Our gospel trio any help would be a blessing
While I will tell you below what to do it is NOT recommended to send those instruments ONLY to your subs. You will feel them on the low end, but these instruments need the high end frequencies to be heard in the mix as well. If you send them only to a subwoofer that is playing low frequencies your mix will lack punch and clarity. To send these only to the subs you will make sure you have the input properly routed to the sub. Then select each input one-by-one and find the "Stereo LR Bus" button to the left of the screen and make sure it is not lit up orange. This will remove this input from being sent to the mains and it will only route to the Buses you have it being sent.
Hi and thanks for the great vid. Very focused (it's easy to go off on tangents with this board). So, what if I want to maintain separate level control of my subs (I enjoy cranking them up at appropriate moments)? What would I select in the "TAP" column? In analog world I do EQ and compress the subs separate from the mains. Intuitively I would select "Pre EQ+M", but there is nothing intuitive about this console (does that mean, "pre mains EQ?, or just the subs' EQ?). Thanks! (I actually have the M32R, but most things are the same on the platform).
Whether you send your entire mix via a Matrix or use this AUX Sub approach, you still have independent volume control using the MixBus (or Matrix) fader. You will want to make sure the tap point in Routing > Outs is set to Post Fader and this will give you control of the sub level with that specific fader.
Yes. By default the MixBUSes are set to go out Output 1-14 on the back of the full-size console. 15/16 are preset to be the Main L/R. In the end, if you want to change the routing you go to Routing > OUTs and you can decide which sources go to which output.
Hmm . . . . why not Select each input channel, and choose the Mono Bus, or Main LR Bus as you are setting up the mix. I can see using the Send to Fader option, like you would most buses, but why not set it up "correctly" from the beginning. So, for example, we set Keys to go to both, but vocals only go to LR, and we use three channels for our cajón, one for the port and one for the top - both go to LR, and a second one from the port that is processed to go lower (inserted Suboctaver) that goes only to the Mono Bus. It just seems to me that if you set each input, from the start, to go to LR or Mono, or both, then no need to tinker with Send to Fader for this particular purpose. Perhaps this is all just a matter of preference - and the beauty of digital. I tend to prefer Send to Fader for temporary and changing things, like monitor or stream mixes. But use the input select and LR or Mono Bus at that point for what speakers are best for that source.
In the end both methods will get you the same result it is just a matter of which workflow you prefer. Also, I have to keep in mind that many of my subscribers have the X32 rack which doesn't have knobs so they are interacting with an iPad or computer across X32-Edit.
So, I'm new to this church's sound system. I am learning where all the 'stuff' is and how it's all routed. There is a very nice 'big' subwoofer on stage, and I see that it is connected to cable that disappears in a wall. I go back to the sound board and look to see if there is an XLR connector marked subwoofer, nope, nothing there. Nothing showing sub at all. I go to the room that has the amps and see the left/right main amps and the subwoofer amp. At this point, I cannot see that there is anything coming from the soundboard going to this amp. So, on my own troubleshooting, I cannot see that this sub is hooked up. I do have audio passing through the M/C channel, just nothing leaving the board. I've talked with the IT guy that also has pretty good knowledge of the history of this sound board and he too can't figure out why there is no signal going to the amp and then on to the sub. We have come to the conclusion that we just need to start from scratch, rebuild everything. There are cables and electronic devices that are not being used. Overall, though, everything else is working great! I said all this to ask this question; shouldn't there be an XLR cable leaving the M32 and going to an XLR input jack on the amp? Or is there some sort of cross-over networking system is happening somewhere instead?
Thanks for all the context with this question. I would play some full range recorded music (Spotify or an iPod) through the system and touch the subwoofer to see if it is playing. If I were in front of the console I would go to the Routing > Out screen and see what mixes are being sent out through each output. This might tell you immediately what you are looking for. If you find nothing, the next place I would go is to the Subwoofer amp and see if you can trace a cable connected to the input of the amp. It might have a “through connection” from a different amp. Also, you mentioned other gear not being used and you may find a Digital Signal Processor (DSP) that takes the LR mix from the board and then splits it into separate signals for the LR amps and then the Sub. It would have some internal EQ to send different signals to the tops vs sub. Good luck with the hunt. I’m happy to help remotely if you want to go that route. We could do a Zoom call where I can look at your board and you can walk me through your system using a phone.
I tend to prefer less gear as it could add more points of failure, more training for your team and troubleshooting can become more involved. Most setups that have an existing DSP can do away with them when they move to a digital console. The use of Matrix outputs can provide the EQ capability needed to direct specific signals to your tops vs. subs. That being said, I don't think it is something you just jump into removing unless you know what it was doing and the settings that were in place.
I found out that the sub is actually working. It's just not very strong. I've got a signal going to it and can feel it working while standing next to it but it's not very noticeable in the audience.
I Will Try Using Some Of These Que's To MY FL Studio DAW As I Figure Out All These Routing Setup Possibilities.
While this setup is mostly beneficial for the live environment, it is effectively another Bus option which might be helpful in your DAW if you are building and recording some Buses. Good luck.
@@AllamHouse Thank You, I Will DO My Best, I've Already Made A Few Advances In Setup Configurations.
Thank you very much, Ive been using, the not so preferred Yamaha TF1 at work for the last 2 years, I have forgotten so much of the UI on the M32R but thanks to your vid I got a refresher on how to route the SUBS on a separate fader. Nice vid, keep up the good work. Cheers from the UK :-)
I’m glad you found the video helpful. Let me know if you have other things you are hunting for with your return to the console.
Thanks Dave. Thank you for the message I appreciate that. Maybe you can assist? I’m having issues getting signal from my M32R to my MacBook Air M2 running Garage band. All software updated to the latest versions. Wondering what I’m doing wrong? I’ve tried to looking for videos on here but nothing that’s solving me issue. Let me know if you can assist? Thanks Dave. Cheers Sean
two things to check... 1) Make sure your Routing > Card tab match your Routing > Inputs settings. This confirms your inputs will route out to the card to be received. 2) My assumption is that you are attempting to use Garage Band as a DAW to record, but understand that Garage Band is limited to only two inputs. You will NOT be able to multitrack record all 32 inputs at the same time into Garage Band. You could setup to have a board mix or livestream mix or some other stereo mix captured into garage Band, but you won't be able to capture all inputs individually. That being said, understand that by default, Garage Band only sees USB 1/2. I hope this helps. I am happy to assist further if you need to get some details specifically set. Let me know.
My stuff is gained in such a way that 0 is the lowest and +1.4 is the loudest I can go without bothering anyone. The subs are always subtle so you can hear a balance of mid and highs with those lows cuz they lows sound big
If you have something that is working then you are in a good place. I usually want to make sure the PA is tuned properly which provides me some more flexibility in how I can use the fader to send signal to my subs. Often times when a company does an install they just crank the amps all the way up, so it might be worth looking at the settings on the amps for the sub in case you can make adjustments and grab more flexibility. Obviously, in the end if it is working, don't change anything.
Thank you so much. You are great engineer and great teacher. I learnt a lot
Thanks for the encouragement. Let me know if you have other questions about the console or mixing techniques.
@AllamHouse
I would normally send to my subs through a matrix. And I used to be a aux fed sub guy for many years. I had the RM32ai and it was easy. Then, I discovered the X32 and ever since, i have been using the matrix.
I have a show coming up that consists of drums, bass, and acoustic guitar. Along with three vocals. Your idea of sending to the M/C would be perfect in this scenario. I’m not going to want everything in the sub like I would do for an outside event. This case is a wedding reception. The main act is from Cali and I don’t want any vocal in the sub or acoustic.
Also in my case, I’m going to send the M/C to the matrix I usually use for subs. Sort of a best of both worlds type thing. On my rack x32 I have all my matrix outputs coming from the 1/4” aux outs to a patch panel on the back of the mixer rack. These then go to the powered top speakers and subs amps. I don’t use DSP other than the EQ on the matrices.
I also have delay tower out and either a stereo pair for a video feed, or front fills. It’s what I use at Utica Square for the summer’s fifth night series.
I think you’re in Owasso, if I remember correctly. Maybe that was a different content creator, but not sure now.
I’m actually in Richmond, VA. It sounds like you have a fun gig ahead and found a good solution for your setup. Happy Mixing.
Aux send sub… the correct way to mix proper sub.
Thanks for the comment and encouragement.
That’s very good information but I have a question, I’m working with a x32 compact and I do want to do this but do I need to eq the channel to a low cut or high cut to just isolate the low frequency for the subs?
You still want to EQ your inputs according to your needs for each input. The signal will then go to your top cabinets where you will (most likely) get the upper frequencies coming through and then your AUX SUB where you would get the sub frequencies. The channel EQ will impact the entire input therefore the entire sound coming from your PA. The EQ on the mains or the AUX (feeding your sub) will just determine what frequencies leave the board and go to your speakers. I hope this helps.
What else should we send to the sub mix bus
If you are running an AUX Fed Sub you want to only send the instruments that you need the super low end from which is typically Kick Drum and Bass guitar. If you have a piano heavy band with no bass then you can run the keys into the sub, but the nice part is that you can always adjust the amount of each instrument going into the subs so you can play with it and if the mix gets muddy you can trim back on the "extra" instruments going to the sub.
You got neopreen pads under those monitors?
Currently the monitors are just sitting on that basic plastic liner. I have foam I put under them when I am actually mixing, but this setup keeps getting moved around as I swap between my Wing and X32 depending on what I'm doing that week.
Allan. I have x32 console. How do I setup my subs woofers for drums and bass guitar to only come out my subs. I’m trying to set it up for our group for Our gospel trio any help would be a blessing
While I will tell you below what to do it is NOT recommended to send those instruments ONLY to your subs. You will feel them on the low end, but these instruments need the high end frequencies to be heard in the mix as well. If you send them only to a subwoofer that is playing low frequencies your mix will lack punch and clarity.
To send these only to the subs you will make sure you have the input properly routed to the sub. Then select each input one-by-one and find the "Stereo LR Bus" button to the left of the screen and make sure it is not lit up orange. This will remove this input from being sent to the mains and it will only route to the Buses you have it being sent.
Hi and thanks for the great vid. Very focused (it's easy to go off on tangents with this board). So, what if I want to maintain separate level control of my subs (I enjoy cranking them up at appropriate moments)? What would I select in the "TAP" column? In analog world I do EQ and compress the subs separate from the mains. Intuitively I would select "Pre EQ+M", but there is nothing intuitive about this console (does that mean, "pre mains EQ?, or just the subs' EQ?). Thanks!
(I actually have the M32R, but most things are the same on the platform).
Whether you send your entire mix via a Matrix or use this AUX Sub approach, you still have independent volume control using the MixBus (or Matrix) fader. You will want to make sure the tap point in Routing > Outs is set to Post Fader and this will give you control of the sub level with that specific fader.
Where are the subs plugged into on the x32? Into one of the outputs??
Yes. By default the MixBUSes are set to go out Output 1-14 on the back of the full-size console. 15/16 are preset to be the Main L/R. In the end, if you want to change the routing you go to Routing > OUTs and you can decide which sources go to which output.
Hmm . . . . why not Select each input channel, and choose the Mono Bus, or Main LR Bus as you are setting up the mix. I can see using the Send to Fader option, like you would most buses, but why not set it up "correctly" from the beginning. So, for example, we set Keys to go to both, but vocals only go to LR, and we use three channels for our cajón, one for the port and one for the top - both go to LR, and a second one from the port that is processed to go lower (inserted Suboctaver) that goes only to the Mono Bus. It just seems to me that if you set each input, from the start, to go to LR or Mono, or both, then no need to tinker with Send to Fader for this particular purpose.
Perhaps this is all just a matter of preference - and the beauty of digital. I tend to prefer Send to Fader for temporary and changing things, like monitor or stream mixes. But use the input select and LR or Mono Bus at that point for what speakers are best for that source.
In the end both methods will get you the same result it is just a matter of which workflow you prefer. Also, I have to keep in mind that many of my subscribers have the X32 rack which doesn't have knobs so they are interacting with an iPad or computer across X32-Edit.
So, I'm new to this church's sound system. I am learning where all the 'stuff' is and how it's all routed. There is a very nice 'big' subwoofer on stage, and I see that it is connected to cable that disappears in a wall. I go back to the sound board and look to see if there is an XLR connector marked subwoofer, nope, nothing there. Nothing showing sub at all. I go to the room that has the amps and see the left/right main amps and the subwoofer amp. At this point, I cannot see that there is anything coming from the soundboard going to this amp. So, on my own troubleshooting, I cannot see that this sub is hooked up. I do have audio passing through the M/C channel, just nothing leaving the board.
I've talked with the IT guy that also has pretty good knowledge of the history of this sound board and he too can't figure out why there is no signal going to the amp and then on to the sub. We have come to the conclusion that we just need to start from scratch, rebuild everything. There are cables and electronic devices that are not being used. Overall, though, everything else is working great! I said all this to ask this question; shouldn't there be an XLR cable leaving the M32 and going to an XLR input jack on the amp? Or is there some sort of cross-over networking system is happening somewhere instead?
Thanks for all the context with this question. I would play some full range recorded music (Spotify or an iPod) through the system and touch the subwoofer to see if it is playing.
If I were in front of the console I would go to the Routing > Out screen and see what mixes are being sent out through each output. This might tell you immediately what you are looking for.
If you find nothing, the next place I would go is to the Subwoofer amp and see if you can trace a cable connected to the input of the amp. It might have a “through connection” from a different amp. Also, you mentioned other gear not being used and you may find a Digital Signal Processor (DSP) that takes the LR mix from the board and then splits it into separate signals for the LR amps and then the Sub. It would have some internal EQ to send different signals to the tops vs sub. Good luck with the hunt. I’m happy to help remotely if you want to go that route. We could do a Zoom call where I can look at your board and you can walk me through your system using a phone.
@@AllamHouse If I can't find how it's connected I may try contacting you. There's no hurry but if the equipment is there then why not use it, right?
I tend to prefer less gear as it could add more points of failure, more training for your team and troubleshooting can become more involved. Most setups that have an existing DSP can do away with them when they move to a digital console. The use of Matrix outputs can provide the EQ capability needed to direct specific signals to your tops vs. subs. That being said, I don't think it is something you just jump into removing unless you know what it was doing and the settings that were in place.
I found out that the sub is actually working. It's just not very strong. I've got a signal going to it and can feel it working while standing next to it but it's not very noticeable in the audience.
However, we are about to update our main speaker array and get new subs soon so I'm not going to worry about this one for now.
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Can’t tell if this is a happy or sad face, but let me know if you have a question or would like to offer feedback.
Did you not have to set crossover filter points on EQ for the L-R tops and the M/C bottoms ? I see others do that. Or does it not matter?
Those are options, but not requirements. Some people also have a digital signal processor (DSP) in their setup that does all that for them.