1870 Quintessential Queen Anne Masterpiece

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    Admit it, you’ve dreamed of owning your own big, beautiful historic home (probably built in the Victorian Era) on a beautiful street, with an incredible yard AND A GREENHOUSE! Well, here is your chance! This amazing home has so many of its original architectural features intact. Some of our favorites include the stunning antique bronze gasolier with its four etched glass globes, art glass and fleur-di-lis design. We’ve also never seen such a delightful display of pressed wood moldings! And a grand stair with a double newel post? YES PLEASE!!
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    The Victorian Period is full of so much magnificent architecture, and many MANY amazing types! This home has to be one of our favorite types: Queen Anne. Developed by British architect Richard Norman Shaw, this style has features that make it so unique. Towers, turrets, cantilevered gables, fretwork (maybe you call it gingerbread trim?), Juliette towers, and more. When people say “Victorian”, they generally mean Queen Anne, and when we say Queen Anne, we mean THIS HOUSE!
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  • @dawns4641
    @dawns4641 13 дней назад +22

    $315,000 for that home is a steal! The outside needs the biggest work.

  • @_serreina
    @_serreina 14 дней назад +51

    If I won the lottery, which I wouldn’t because I don’t play. You bet I would select a gorgeous home like this to restore and upkeep. Absolutely stunning.

    • @jeanmullins3284
      @jeanmullins3284 14 дней назад +6

      Me too!!!

    • @ericmoore571
      @ericmoore571 14 дней назад +4

      I think the same way! I'm always planning on what to do when/if I win the lottery but I don't ever buy tickets!

    • @rosepayeur4591
      @rosepayeur4591 14 дней назад +3

      Well then I wish you will! I really do 😅Good luck!

  • @brittcorley
    @brittcorley 14 дней назад +16

    The pressed trim with the hops vine is gorgeous. I wish they still made it. I would buy a piece just to hang on my wall as art. 😂

  • @barbaramarcis1908
    @barbaramarcis1908 14 дней назад +14

    Oh my! Vicksburg; my great grandfather was captured at Vicksburg and sent to a prison in Ohio where he escaped and made his way to Alabama where he joined up with another unit. He was 16 years old.

  • @jeanmullins3284
    @jeanmullins3284 14 дней назад +21

    ❤ Thank you for showing us another beautiful historical home. If not for you I wouldn't get to see these lovely homes. So pleased there are people willing to preserve them. They are truly national treasures !!❤

  • @ptgal220
    @ptgal220 14 дней назад +9

    Laine, you forgot to mention your restoration work in the introduction. It's what got me hooked!

  • @Water_is_Sacred777
    @Water_is_Sacred777 14 дней назад +12

    A masterpiece example of the QA home. It's out of this world especially with the greenhouse, which is to die for. I would keep an antique vibe in the kitchen and bath areas to not disturb the flow of this beauty. I usually just watch your content but had to comment on this one. Bravo!

  • @SteveL2012
    @SteveL2012 14 дней назад +15

    LOVE it! ❤ And, Laine, you are exceptional. Your passion for fine, historical architecture is palpable.

  • @yourbeautybaby
    @yourbeautybaby 6 дней назад +4

    This makes me want to move to America and purchase this home! here in Canada you cant even find a starter home under 700-800K, this home is a dream and a steal of a price! one day...

  • @sylviajones4907
    @sylviajones4907 14 дней назад +10

    Always wanted to see this home. So unique.
    Awesome video.
    Perfect balance of talk, pics, & music.
    Great job, y'all!

  • @tristazerbe8119
    @tristazerbe8119 14 дней назад +7

    Beautiful home!!! I lost count of how many times Laine said “In case you are new here…” 😂
    There are so many amazing things y’all could film in Vicksburg! It is rich in history, architecture, and also haunted history.😉

  • @ulyssious
    @ulyssious 9 дней назад +3

    Oh this home is gorgeous! The box head windows get me every time! Love all the unique details of older homes. They took so much pride in their work and it was quality.
    I recently found out that my great Grandpa was a blacksmith in our area and I hope someday to go down that rabbit hole. My grandparents were born on Laurel Valley Plantation in Thibodaux, Louisiana where I currently still live. All of the history and work that went into these homes, properties, etc is just amazing.

  • @vickiemayfield3197
    @vickiemayfield3197 14 дней назад +8

    Thank you for doing what you do!!!

  • @Tayzerfun
    @Tayzerfun 14 дней назад +7

    Oh that bottle green time took my breath away! Wow!!

  • @terrihoeper
    @terrihoeper 14 дней назад +8

    I'm absolutely blown away at the price on this property. Even though it sits on less than an acre of land, a $315,000 price tag makes this property one heck of a deal. No doubt it is close to town. Which is a plus when it comes to running errands & taking care of life's daily Business.
    The house looks like it needs quite a bit of work but it would be well worth every minute of effort once completed.
    This house has so much character. Something the modern home lacks in comparison.
    Thanks for sharing!

    • @ArkansasSquaw
      @ArkansasSquaw 13 дней назад +2

      Crime. That's why it's so low.

    • @terrihoeper
      @terrihoeper 13 дней назад +2

      @@ArkansasSquaw
      It would suck to have a beautiful home in a crime-ridden neighborhood.

    • @ArkansasSquaw
      @ArkansasSquaw 13 дней назад

      @@terrihoeper yes it would. Heartbreaking...

    • @kurthanushek5520
      @kurthanushek5520 11 дней назад

      Real estate is location, location, location. It is about the price I would expect in the historic, Old West End in Toledo, Ohio. The Old West End is an intercity neighborhood where the titans of industry build their homes at the turn of the last century. The money started moving to other neighborhoods in the 20's and 30's. An intrepid group of preservationists started revitalizing the neighborhood about 50 years ago. It is now a well established historic community in a metropolitan area with generally low housing costs and it is an inner city area with the problems that many do not want to deal with.

  • @skdoremi6666
    @skdoremi6666 14 дней назад +4

    Beautiful house❤ by the way lysssssssss, fleur-de-lis in French the S at the end is actually pronounced, it's lissss😊. In French a tourêtte is just a small tour, it's a difference of "grandeur "😅 but what it was describe is called a beffroi , à beffroi is build on top of existing buildings and don't connect to any level, a beffroi was usually build for bells or clocks. And if the tour is a house,like living quarters for the seigneur or châtelain than its a donjon, the chateaux used to have "ramparts" with tours and a donjon(much bigger) where sometimes the seigneur with his family lived.

  • @opus27no2
    @opus27no2 14 дней назад +2

    OMG! Love. I can hear the old money at the time screaming, “Carpetbagger!!”

  • @baronetessdawson
    @baronetessdawson 14 дней назад +5

    I appreciate the history lesson‘s you offer….which I have been gaining my Masters
    Your Passion is appreciated, the more the better!
    Inspired
    Honored
    Thank You
    ❤❤❤

  • @kimeakin9818
    @kimeakin9818 14 дней назад +4

    Heart be still! Oh my?

  • @kenelliott8562
    @kenelliott8562 9 дней назад +2

    Description of all the details, clues, observations of architecture, manufacture of wood and hardware are interesting. Old house investigation is fascinating!

  • @sewmeonekenobi639
    @sewmeonekenobi639 14 дней назад +4

    Glorious

  • @user-df4vw3il7t
    @user-df4vw3il7t 14 дней назад +4

    Beautiful nostalgic property😮😊

  • @carmenkraft9311
    @carmenkraft9311 14 дней назад +4

    That green tile surround and the blue tile surround were my favorite!! ❤❤ Beautiful home! I hope it finds its next owner who will love and cherish it!

  • @soccermom1245
    @soccermom1245 14 дней назад +3

    Vicksburg is SOOOO wonderful!

  • @mmmonkay
    @mmmonkay 14 дней назад +3

    Well that was quick! It seems this beauty is pending already! ❤

  • @Davis-LA
    @Davis-LA 5 дней назад +1

    This is a great home!

  • @philhoward4466
    @philhoward4466 13 дней назад +3

    i would love to finish out this house. too bad i don't have the means to do so. i would also love to see the attic space if there are stairs to it. i always love attic spaces in 19th century homes.

  • @jessicabuck-daniel2160
    @jessicabuck-daniel2160 14 дней назад +4

    Me looking like I can buy this and it’s already pending. Shucks! 😂I love it!

  • @dominiquesheridan9922
    @dominiquesheridan9922 13 дней назад +2

    What a fabulous home and what a fabulous tour!! Notice that rainbow light in the tree on the right at about 17 seconds in! Hoping this goes to new caretakers who will really love it!!

  • @infinitelightcouncil
    @infinitelightcouncil 13 дней назад +2

    Vicksburg has that dramatic River Hills landscape and such a varied collection of buildings strewn around those bluffs perched here and there amongst the battle sites. Its very unique 😊

  • @MediocreComedian
    @MediocreComedian 14 дней назад +3

    Oh. My. Goodness!! What a beauty! Total dream home. Laine, you look lovely in that awesome dress. ❤💕

  • @phyliciaburris3011
    @phyliciaburris3011 11 дней назад +2

    Love that you are reviewing this home. ❤

  • @chasingmoonlightfarm
    @chasingmoonlightfarm 14 дней назад +4

    That is a spectacular house! All of those windows!! 🥰♥️

  • @peggystein3745
    @peggystein3745 10 дней назад +2

    Sooooo amazing in awesome condition love that pressed trim throughout!! Love it's all neutral showing off all her curves!!! And beautiful architecture!! Thank you for sharing this treasure!

  • @iris7911
    @iris7911 13 дней назад +2

    Although your video has nothing to do with what I'm about to comment, your dress is very elegant and you look gorgeous in that outfit. And by the way thank you so much for sharing your passion for beautiful historic houses with all of us, your videos are really inspiring, God bless you and your husband, greetings from Switzerland.

  • @tealemon4693
    @tealemon4693 14 дней назад +3

    You look fabulous! I adore these homes and I am so thankful for people realizing the history and preserving it

  • @elandroad1
    @elandroad1 14 дней назад +12

    I’d add a bunch of mid century and late Victorian furniture to bridge the gap between the 30’s and today. A great house. ❤️

  • @kathleenstanley6751
    @kathleenstanley6751 14 дней назад +2

    Thank you Kevin and Laine! With a couple of cleaning people I could really live in this home!

  • @jefflawrentz1624
    @jefflawrentz1624 13 дней назад +1

    It’s got great potential. One of my favorite parts of these tours is Layne’s house detective skills explaining the changes and context. Thank you for sharing this!

  • @leir2612
    @leir2612 13 дней назад +1

    Thank you for showing this lovely house. Let’s hope whoever buys it, honours it. It seems a beautiful place to enjoy life.

  • @NanaSuze77
    @NanaSuze77 14 дней назад +2

    It’s so pretty! Needs a young couple with a lot of energy to lovingly restore it 😊

  • @sacredlovetarot1971
    @sacredlovetarot1971 14 дней назад +3

    It says there is already a pending offer lol, that didn't last long, she is beautiful and that price is equally as beautiful lol 😍😍😍😍

  • @AnneSmith-mu2ph
    @AnneSmith-mu2ph 12 дней назад +2

    Hi both lv Ann uk I always love to see these beautiful homes ❤️❤️❤️🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

  • @EzThomas.
    @EzThomas. 14 дней назад +3

    Lovely. Thank you for that!

  • @shelleybrandon973
    @shelleybrandon973 14 дней назад +2

    Beautiful home and property! I hope it goes to someone who will appreciate her! ❤️

  • @KentuckyGirl
    @KentuckyGirl 14 дней назад +2

    Love ❤️ love ❤️ it when you educate us on architecture.🥰

  • @DG-hb8rh
    @DG-hb8rh 14 дней назад +3

    Beautiful

  • @kristindacus8642
    @kristindacus8642 2 дня назад

    Absolutely beautiful ❤️

  • @teenytime1
    @teenytime1 13 дней назад +2

    Always excited to see a video from y'all. Love your dress.

  • @StrawberryCopper
    @StrawberryCopper 14 дней назад +2

    Has its original slate roof.....so cool....

  • @melw3518
    @melw3518 14 дней назад +2

    Such a beautiful home

  • @SpanishEclectic
    @SpanishEclectic 14 дней назад +1

    Dibs on that tower bedroom, lol! Those appear to be Master & Mistress adjoining bedrooms, as you say, definitely a thing in the 1870s. I love the pressed wood trims; the painted ones will show more detail once stripped. I can see this as an affordable hot trend during a time when commercially produced options were popular, and a way to get an expensive look without having to pay for hand carving. While the kitchen and bath remodels are a bit modern for my taste, I think they are overall good, and just need some color and personal style added. My 1931 house has a lot of colored tile, so the white everything look always makes me balk. House does need some work, but so much space and nice options. Any house of this age with so much exterior wood will need maintenance. I love the choice of colors; Queen Anne is the most fun style for fancy paint jobs. :)

  • @chookchook2451
    @chookchook2451 14 дней назад +2

    Love the music accompanying this presentation .

  • @WidowofSocTrangTiger
    @WidowofSocTrangTiger 14 дней назад +2

    🔹So many gorgeous details in this home🔹

  • @elviracontreras5928
    @elviracontreras5928 14 дней назад +2

    Beautiful oldie!

  • @kathyallen2192
    @kathyallen2192 14 дней назад +2

    Another beauty. Thanks for sharing more history ❤️

  • @robieheller4565
    @robieheller4565 14 дней назад +2

    Another great video! Another beautiful home! Thanks guys! ♥️

  • @jeannerountree952
    @jeannerountree952 14 дней назад +2

    Beautiful home that needs just a couple more updates.

  • @carolwilder2289
    @carolwilder2289 13 дней назад +1

    Absolutely love this! The windows are spectacular! This home belongs on many acres!

  • @rachealsmith5138
    @rachealsmith5138 13 дней назад +2

    Gorgeous!❤

  • @usastacey2435
    @usastacey2435 13 дней назад +1

    I ❤️❤️❤️ your channel Laine! Great to see your beautiful face and all these amazing homes!! 🤗🤗🤗

  • @teresagray1477
    @teresagray1477 14 дней назад +1

    Beautiful home. By the way, you look great in your red dress

  • @what1dreamt
    @what1dreamt 12 дней назад +1

    Oh that green tile around the upstairs fireplace, gorgeous. And they sure liked their white paint, haha.

    • @tessdurberville711
      @tessdurberville711 12 дней назад

      Queen Annes are traditionally white, inside and outside.

  • @warriorgirl8118
    @warriorgirl8118 8 дней назад +1

    This house needs some renovation but that is a good price for its historical history I love this house ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤heart and soul and I love this home Ithink it is priceless I wish iwas a millionaire when I see these kind of homes for sale because I love history and ilove queen Ann style so much wood fireplaces

  • @user-rb5es3lu9z
    @user-rb5es3lu9z 14 дней назад +3

    Hermosa y Elegante,Gloria a Dios Aleluya Amén 💋🙏

  • @pamhutzell8268
    @pamhutzell8268 11 дней назад +1

    I loved the house!

  • @nichelebrownlee1471
    @nichelebrownlee1471 13 дней назад

    What a beautiful house. So many goodies in there. And Laine you look gorgeous in that red dress. Thanks for sharing.

  • @sletourneau3
    @sletourneau3 11 дней назад +1

    Gods she's beautiful 😍

  • @San-vg4tu
    @San-vg4tu 13 дней назад +2

    ❤❤❤magnifique, elle besoin de beaucoup de décapage ❤❤

  • @JayYoung-ro3vu
    @JayYoung-ro3vu 13 дней назад +1

    I don't see many Queen Anne styled homes in my area. If many were built, survived or were modified over the years. What I do see, like mine, the inspector stated, are collections of various stick construction styles. It's something I call "Midwest vernacular." My home is a Cape Cod but has an Arts & Crafts style fireplace and box which was commonplace at the time of my home's construction. Homes on the university area run the styles and periods. We lost several when the university bought them up and demolished them to create modern campus housing. "Up the pike" in Urbana, Ohio, they have at least 5 examples of Second Empire style of which one was a hotel and now converted to senior housing.

  • @brendaprice4664
    @brendaprice4664 11 дней назад +1

    What a beautiful home! Thank you for sharing and teaching us Architectural History! Love it! B~}

  • @aledelmar2557
    @aledelmar2557 13 дней назад +1

    Great job Lynn. I like the way you explain the details in the houses and the historical facts around their period. Very educational. Do you have background in history?

  • @robinbriggs4976
    @robinbriggs4976 14 дней назад +2

    When we moved to Vicksburg in 2017 we tried to rent this house.....but that was a no go!

    • @megfuchs9425
      @megfuchs9425 14 дней назад

      Well now you can buy it!? 😊

    • @robinbriggs4976
      @robinbriggs4976 14 дней назад +1

      @@megfuchs9425 that is not on the plans and more we are building our forever home in Arkansas

    • @megfuchs9425
      @megfuchs9425 14 дней назад +2

      @@robinbriggs4976 I'm happy for you! I hope it really is the house of your dreams.

  • @JessicaMathias3
    @JessicaMathias3 14 дней назад +1

    Cute dress! What do your shoes look like? 😂 JK! Husband said this house is worth moving back to his hometown!

  • @mdunn4555
    @mdunn4555 13 дней назад +2

    May I ask, if you wanted to remove the white paint off of the pressed moldings so you could see the patterns easier how would you go about doing that?

    • @hardcoreotome
      @hardcoreotome 11 дней назад +1

      I have the same question! I don’t mind most of the other white paint, especially compared to what it looked like before. But I’d love to figure out how to strip the trim without ruining the patterns.

  • @cottagekeeper
    @cottagekeeper 14 дней назад +2

    This looks like a George Barber

  • @terrisarrow7158
    @terrisarrow7158 11 дней назад

    I love the house. The colored tiles are amazing, too bad someone went so overboard with the white!

  • @cynthiastratton1034
    @cynthiastratton1034 11 дней назад +1

    Couple questions: remove paint from cast-iron and repaint marble or just fo-marble on top? Also pressed wood thats painted.. remove that too?

    • @OurRestorationNation
      @OurRestorationNation  11 дней назад +1

      I’d remove all the paint. In the mantels you’ll get way better results on the faux marble if have a nice clean surface

    • @cynthiastratton1034
      @cynthiastratton1034 10 дней назад

      @OurRestorationNation that's what I was thinking, the close-ups show how much paint is built up poor house looks like it needs to breathe.. love the video!

  • @JamesABeckHouse
    @JamesABeckHouse 11 дней назад +1

    Apparently someone’s never heard of painters tape or removing hardware prior to painting😂

  • @dinsdaleseven1627
    @dinsdaleseven1627 14 дней назад +2

    What a house. Craftsmanship. You look lovely today. Nice to see a lady behave like a lady.

  • @learningkeys21
    @learningkeys21 14 дней назад +2

    I’m wondering when this was filmed because it has been sold.

    • @learningkeys21
      @learningkeys21 14 дней назад

      According to the realtor website it’s sold.

    • @OurRestorationNation
      @OurRestorationNation  14 дней назад +3

      We filmed this on Tuesday. It’s just pending now so it might still be available.

    • @learningkeys21
      @learningkeys21 14 дней назад +2

      Thanks for the info of when you filmed ☺️ yes, it is pending, not sold :)

  • @kurthanushek5520
    @kurthanushek5520 11 дней назад

    Another beautiful house. I enjoy your historical info. Your vids are the one that I up the video quality to HD and slow down to normal speed. The video itself seemed to be disjointed, particularly after the kitchen the camera wound its way through a back room to a screened in porch, to outside, back to the main stairs and then upstairs with no description or layout info. While there as description of the fireplace tile in the bedrooms and the windows, the rest of the upstairs was just a randomly moving camera. I have no sense of the layout of the house. I only know that there is a back set of stairs because the camera momentarily stuck its lens into it. I was disappointed that there was no mention of the greenhouse shown in the introduction.
    I don't mean to be overly critical, but I miss the greater info and your willingness to show the good, bad and ugly of a house that you have done in the past. I hope you can return to the videos of the past. I realize that it may be getting you too close to the Realtor position that I know that you are not and I do not know the legal issues involved, but you use to have the "If this was my house..." comments. I think those help promote preservation which you obviously support.

    • @OurRestorationNation
      @OurRestorationNation  11 дней назад

      You almost got no commentary at all as when we arrived at the house we realized our microphone equipment no longer properly connected to the new camera we bought. So we had to leave Laine shooting B roll and head off to the closest Walmart to get you mic’d commentary. Then, it was 95 degrees with 72% humidity and no AC in the house. The house itself is wandering, disjointed and difficult to film, and made even more so by the conditions. Sorry this one video wasn’t up to your standards, but sometimes we do the best we can in the circumstances and move on. Try to show some grace and remember that there are exactly two people scouting, scheduling, traveling, researching, shooting, editing etc these videos. When ONE falls a little short of your expectations maybe you could simply let that slide, understanding that, under the very best of circumstances, these videos take a week of work to produce, if everything goes perfectly.

  • @redrooster1908
    @redrooster1908 14 дней назад +3

    Nice home. Too bad about the kitchen.

  • @KimL1000
    @KimL1000 12 дней назад

    Sweet but needs a lot of work and massive paint stripping.

  • @bigboy77dk
    @bigboy77dk 14 дней назад +5

    Not a fan of the new kitchen or bathrooms...

  • @nadinemasteller1089
    @nadinemasteller1089 12 дней назад +1

    It's a beautiful house. But I'm old and couldn't properly care for it. This house seems to scream for a young family.

  • @joannacarson7058
    @joannacarson7058 14 дней назад +1

    Beautiful house! Too bad they ruined with white white white paint!

    • @sandyjuntunen4088
      @sandyjuntunen4088 13 дней назад

      A few thousand to have it removed would be worth it.

  • @alexandradane3672
    @alexandradane3672 13 дней назад

    Oh dear ! The architecture of this house could not be any further removed from the period of Queen Anne . Indeed , it bears no discernible resemblance to any type or period - it’s merely a suburban mish mash of design , materials and ideas.

    • @OurRestorationNation
      @OurRestorationNation  13 дней назад +1

      Lemme guess… you’re from the UK, please google Richard Norman Shaw and then delete your uneducated comment.

    • @alexandradane3672
      @alexandradane3672 13 дней назад

      @@OurRestorationNation Richard Norman Shaw knew what he was doing unlike this mess. Furthermore , he wasn’t even alive during the Queen Anne period. Tut tut , I suggest that you do some research if you are not trained in the subject .

    • @OurRestorationNation
      @OurRestorationNation  13 дней назад +2

      My Masters Degree in Historic Preservation would disagree with you… as would EVERY preservation professional in the US. You obviously can’t even be bothered to google properly, much less admit the error of your ways, so just do us both a favor and leave my room. Let me say it in language you’ll understand: review the link provided then get thee gone.
      isarchitecture.com/style-101-queen-anne/

    • @alexandradane3672
      @alexandradane3672 13 дней назад

      @@OurRestorationNation Now Im truly disgusted - your lack of manners and the sheer folly of your last statement causes me to question the veracity of your claims. Indeed I shall “get gone” and be delighted to so do whilst retaining the privilege of opinion and expressing it , opposite this very channel. Master degree indeed ? Have the standards of education in the US really fallen to such an abysmally low level ? Good luck to you .

    • @OurRestorationNation
      @OurRestorationNation  13 дней назад +1

      See, here’s the thing; you don’t get to “have an opinion” about scientific fact. And historic preservation is, in fact, a science. At least here in the US it is. We are actually considered scientists, as our CV’s clearly state. So, you DO have the right to be wrong. You can be just as wrong as you want to be, but you do not have the right to express anti-scientific gibberish on a channel dedicated to the spread of the SOI Standards for Historic Preservation. You have given me quite a good laugh today. It’s always hilarious when someone is shown to be incorrect, but instead of just saying “oopsie” and backing in to the shrubs as is appropriate, one doubles and triples down and then resorts to calling someone a bully. It’s okay, go find you a safe space where you can roll all around in your opinions. Here, however, we will vehemently defend the science.