The leatt pants arrived today. Size chart has me in medium, i got large, very very tight. The leather is behing my leg NOT inside my leg. Feel strong, maybe waterproof, will try to return. I can't afford to throw away tires that are barely warn, but as soon as these Motoz are done, Im definition going for a properly 70/30 or 60/40 road bias tire and one that is softer to grip the road and the rocks off road. All my big offs on this bike, street and dirt, may not have happened with softer tires. But, if anyone in Japan wants second-hand Motoz, let me know😂😂
As soon as my karoos are worn out I'll be getting a 70% or maybe even 80% road tire. Most of the dirt I do is dirt roads. Rather fall off slow off road because I have a road tire than fall off fast on the tarmac because I have a too much off road tire.
@@DragoniteMotoJP ha, yes indeed, there appears to be lots of armchair experts who are smarter, faster, wiser and tougher than you (or me or anyone in fact). Don't worry about it, its the same on all channels.
Bad comments are probably 2% or less. But take a massive part of my head space. I have to read all the comments to see great ones like you 2, but then I also have to get called a racial slur from time to time. And if the channel grows, then their will be too many comments to read and I'll have to feel bad about missing most. It really is the little things that make and break you
Black ice is a bummer but I find those metal road-joiner things are super-slippery in any season on a corner in Japan. Sounds like they weren't the main issue in your case though. Hopefully your video will convince some people to wear gear.
You are very lucky to come out uninjured. Probably shouldn't be riding in those conditions at those speeds, but I did it when I was younger too. I'll take my tdub 200 out in the snow but the transalp stays in the garage till it's warmer. Hope you get everything sorted out to ride again. You had good gear and it worked out well for ya. A good example of how well riding gear does it's job.
15 years riding. This bike losses front wheel traction often. I've ridden other bikes on other tires faster on the same road trouble free. This si the first bike every ti slide like this. But yes, somewhere between good gear and luck to literally walk it off Just finished setting up the bike today and new gear is here. I'll be out in Monday
Wet roads are always dubious for me even on full road tyres like Conti RoadAttack 4. I always ride extra carefully when it rains. In your case it was a mix of off road oriented tyres, coldness and wetness. Those three make a good slide... lul 😂😂 I'm not riding anymore in cold weather but when I used to I can remember everytime I would take off at traffic lights in autumn when the mornings where already pretty cold near freezing my back tyre would always slip in those "take off corners". It's just shitty when it's cold and wet... That's just not a good for motorcycle riding or anything on two wheels...
It is a bad combination. My frustration is after 15 years, this is the onlybbike I've ever lost the front end on, and it is not so perfect even in warm dry days. Other bikes and tires I've ridden wetter, colder, and faster. But winter in the mountains is a risk.
@@DragoniteMotoJP Well with these offroadish tyres you have even less rubber to tarmac contact than with road tyres and it also depends on the rubber composition. Just a bad combination. Next time you know to be more careful with this bike. Maybe Conti TrailAttack 3 are better under these conditions....
First things first.. Happy you’re fine ! Bike bravely survived 🦾definitely with the help of your protection parts.. that makes me think about mounting also on my TA those protection stuff.. and also to be more careful in winter times;) Best regards !
Additional hindsight: while filming your onsite content, it looked like that little Kei truck could have also spun out and smeared you through the guardrail.
front tire being narrow had nothing to do with slide, suspension most likely also. No tire will keep you upright on ice. BUT there are tires that are better in low temps and slippery surface, the key is compound. Motoz adv you hace on rear is terrible compound for such conditions. I can only highly recommend my current front as winter tire(rear i also have motoz adv) which is K60 RANGER. You might think its too aggresive for you, but trust me, its very modern tire with modern compound and i trust it with my life in winter almost every day, its constantly surprises me how it holds like on rails while rear is all over place constantly. On street it allows you to ride like youre on street tire, idk if not even better than A41 which i liked too. Also reacts very well to lowering pressure for offroad. drop it to 1.5bar and i can ride my AT like on enduro in forests
The tire slipped as many have before for me on Ice, but the tires didn't really grab after the short ice patch. Which my street bikes have on the same road at the same temps. Street bikes and track bike have the 17in front for quicker steering and a 120 instead of a narrow 90 for better grip. So yes, this is why bmw sticks to a 120/80-19 on the front. And why vstrom has a wider short wheel on the more road bias bike. Better street grip and warms up faster. I can say with 100% confidence my front is worse on the street than the stock tires and there is a big gap between the rear and the stock tire. But they are beasts off road
You are OK that's what is important! I wouldn't blame the tires on ice any tire would have done the same. What I should be looking into one of those airbag jackets...
I'll never ride without any Airbag again. This bike and tire have slipped the front on good weather rides. This was far from my most aggressive rides. But other tires on other bikes I've push harder in colder conditions. Ice didn't help, but these tires are tricky in good days
Thanks for showing what happened and glad you're okay. For a front tyre you can try Anakee wild or Golden tyre gt823 as I believe it's M+S rated. Also I do counter leaning when it's slippery, same as on a gravel. Ryan F9 did a video about counter leaning. Cheers.
I don't counter lean usually. Michelin is expensive and doesn't last long, but probably would be better in this situation. Japan has very limited tires
It can become a rather expensive hobby quick. I just lost my drivers license for one month and had to pay 500 Euro fine for speeding. But at least now I will safe some money on fuel and do something for my health by riding a bicycle.
In Australia cattle grids can catch people out …rule of thumb …take any metal surface on a road at slow speed and SQUARE ON ….with your front tyre.And don’t accelerate or brake over metal surfaces . This comment is aimed at all of us …including myself , so easy to forget . Wonder what setting your Traction was set on ? ABS on a 300 rally I owned saved me on slime hiding in the shadows in Australia , was braking late into a corner front wheel started to slide felt a pulse bike didn’t go down . 300 rally didn’t have cornering ABS but something worked . Maybe you could report what setting your Traction control was on ?
@ Sorry thought the metal plate was behind the location of ice on the road , just commented as observed myself nearly go down recently on an innocuous cattle grid here in summery Australia , I wasn’t square on and accelerated …have ridden for decades but sometimes we all lose concentration. Glad you are ok 80 km per hour is a fair speed , that airbag looks a lifesaver , have done over 13000kms on Transalp in 4 mths but mainly on back road bitumen . Will look out for more videos on your channel .👍
But it’s a great bike to keep though and I haven’t yet found any reasons to sell my Transalp 750, it’s like a great dirt bike that also is awesome on the road.
Black ice will ruin anyone's day. I don't ride if it's been wet and is cold enough to freeze up. Two wheels are NOT holding traction leaned on black ice. I LOVE trailmax raids on my scrambler 1200. Never get into deep sand or mud, just because there isn't much near me. Great on road, great on anything I can find off road. Soft, high silicate. Mostly road, they last about 6k miles.
Only way to have some kind of grip on ice is to use winter tires (with studs where legal)... M+S are not winter tires. You could as well have had soft street tires, the result would have been the same, the rubber on any type of tire except winter tires will be hard when it is cold, especially when the tarmac/asfalt temperature goes down against freezing point...
Sorry I wasn't more clear in the video. The ice was short. The front tire didn't re-grip after the ice. All the road focused tires I've had in the past have slipped in the winter, but catch after the ice, and I don't go down.
Not sure of your weight, but I owned this bike, key word owned. I had to give it up due to the stock suspension. I just could not see putting the money into a bike of this stature for an upgraded suspension.
I'm 95kg, coming out of health troubles planing ti get back down to 80kg. I go back and forth. Sellf the bike or get suspension. If I do suspension, this is a bike that will last a decade and good suspension would make it a bike that let's me ignore eicma. But it's a big spend no doubt
@Romenet310 i come from sport bikes. I hated it on the street well before the dirt. I'm also thinking adv bikes are compromised sport tourers and over way duelsports. Not great at either. I'm tempted to sell for the new drz and pick up an mt07 down the road
@ I have a KTM 1290 Super Adventure S. It’s a street bike that some people try to take off road. I have been struggling trying to decide if I want to put off road tires on it or just keep it for the street. It’s extremely heavy and I’d have to limit off road either way. My other option is I have been hunting for a WR250R for dual sport riding but again, a tough decision. And will I really ride two bikes?
Try to find a tire that is good on and off road. I like trailmax raids a lot, but the rear wobbles and tracks, and is fantastic in Twisties. 6k mile lifetime. I don't mind the downsides compared with how much I like the handling in all conditions
There’s no point beating yourself out about the tires if you got black ice no matter what the tire you have outcome will be the same and I’m telling you from personal experience !!
What makes you thinkni didn't have insurance? Insurance in Japan covers major crashes and who you hit The only "need" was pegs, which is didn't want to raise my rates from letting them know about the crash for $50 pegs. And jacket and gloves which wouldn't be covered.
LOL. Only fools will travel like this. You were on a cold, iced pavement with shade on the road in spots. No tires would have had grip. You have alot to learn. But we all start some where. You are funny at least. The forks should never twist from any riding! Only on falls and crashes. Make sure you align properly and use a torque wrench on all fasteners.
The leatt pants arrived today.
Size chart has me in medium, i got large, very very tight. The leather is behing my leg NOT inside my leg. Feel strong, maybe waterproof, will try to return.
I can't afford to throw away tires that are barely warn, but as soon as these Motoz are done, Im definition going for a properly 70/30 or 60/40 road bias tire and one that is softer to grip the road and the rocks off road.
All my big offs on this bike, street and dirt, may not have happened with softer tires.
But, if anyone in Japan wants second-hand Motoz, let me know😂😂
I had some plans for motoz, but now I am thinking more about Anakee adventure :)
@rideinnl if you just moderate dirt roads then definitely anakee.
I'm looking at continental tkc70 rocks or perelli mt60
As soon as my karoos are worn out I'll be getting a 70% or maybe even 80% road tire. Most of the dirt I do is dirt roads. Rather fall off slow off road because I have a road tire than fall off fast on the tarmac because I have a too much off road tire.
Right.
And a front is what's lightly to cause a crash. Fronts last longer, so a softer front is not that big a loss in range but a big gain in safety
Thanks God you're okay.
It's definitely a need lesson. 👍
Thank you.
And thanks for watching and supporting all these years.
wow thanks for sharing your experience. I am a new rider and always scared to come off but great to hear the gear does it magic to protect us
Gear matters, so do good tires
Good to hear you are fine after the crash. Don´t mind the troll.
The biggest challenge is not minding the trolls
@@DragoniteMotoJP ha, yes indeed, there appears to be lots of armchair experts who are smarter, faster, wiser and tougher than you (or me or anyone in fact). Don't worry about it, its the same on all channels.
@tonyjourneyman1944 I've seen people "correct" pro racers based on their lessons from internet forums 😅
This most be one of the most challenging thins having a YT channel I'm guessing? Just ignoring dumb things people say?
Bad comments are probably 2% or less. But take a massive part of my head space.
I have to read all the comments to see great ones like you 2, but then I also have to get called a racial slur from time to time.
And if the channel grows, then their will be too many comments to read and I'll have to feel bad about missing most.
It really is the little things that make and break you
Black ice is a bummer but I find those metal road-joiner things are super-slippery in any season on a corner in Japan. Sounds like they weren't the main issue in your case though. Hopefully your video will convince some people to wear gear.
I am glad you are okay.
Glad you weren’t hurt
Thank you
Dress for the slide not the ride
I’m glad you’re not seriously hurt friend
Thank you.
You are very lucky to come out uninjured. Probably shouldn't be riding in those conditions at those speeds, but I did it when I was younger too. I'll take my tdub 200 out in the snow but the transalp stays in the garage till it's warmer. Hope you get everything sorted out to ride again. You had good gear and it worked out well for ya. A good example of how well riding gear does it's job.
15 years riding.
This bike losses front wheel traction often.
I've ridden other bikes on other tires faster on the same road trouble free.
This si the first bike every ti slide like this.
But yes, somewhere between good gear and luck to literally walk it off
Just finished setting up the bike today and new gear is here.
I'll be out in Monday
Wet roads are always dubious for me even on full road tyres like Conti RoadAttack 4. I always ride extra carefully when it rains.
In your case it was a mix of off road oriented tyres, coldness and wetness. Those three make a good slide... lul 😂😂
I'm not riding anymore in cold weather but when I used to I can remember everytime I would take off at traffic lights in autumn when the mornings where already pretty cold near freezing my back tyre would always slip in those "take off corners". It's just shitty when it's cold and wet... That's just not a good for motorcycle riding or anything on two wheels...
It is a bad combination.
My frustration is after 15 years, this is the onlybbike I've ever lost the front end on, and it is not so perfect even in warm dry days.
Other bikes and tires I've ridden wetter, colder, and faster.
But winter in the mountains is a risk.
@@DragoniteMotoJP Well with these offroadish tyres you have even less rubber to tarmac contact than with road tyres and it also depends on the rubber composition. Just a bad combination. Next time you know to be more careful with this bike. Maybe Conti TrailAttack 3 are better under these conditions....
I'll change the tires. Based on what I can get in Japan, continental tkc70 rocks in the Rear and pirelli mt60 in the front.
Please make video of straightening the forks and bars
I'll put it in the list of videos to make
First things first.. Happy you’re fine ! Bike bravely survived 🦾definitely with the help of your protection parts.. that makes me think about mounting also on my TA those protection stuff.. and also to be more careful in winter times;) Best regards !
Thank you
Even on street bikes i don't ride without lower crash bars.
My wife's sv650 went down but great crashbars made it harmless
Additional hindsight: while filming your onsite content, it looked like that little Kei truck could have also spun out and smeared you through the guardrail.
Yes, i had my hazard lights on the whole tiem but I was watching each car coming by.
front tire being narrow had nothing to do with slide, suspension most likely also. No tire will keep you upright on ice.
BUT there are tires that are better in low temps and slippery surface, the key is compound. Motoz adv you hace on rear is terrible compound for such conditions.
I can only highly recommend my current front as winter tire(rear i also have motoz adv) which is K60 RANGER. You might think its too aggresive for you, but trust me, its very modern tire with modern compound and i trust it with my life in winter almost every day, its constantly surprises me how it holds like on rails while rear is all over place constantly.
On street it allows you to ride like youre on street tire, idk if not even better than A41 which i liked too. Also reacts very well to lowering pressure for offroad.
drop it to 1.5bar and i can ride my AT like on enduro in forests
The tire slipped as many have before for me on Ice, but the tires didn't really grab after the short ice patch. Which my street bikes have on the same road at the same temps.
Street bikes and track bike have the 17in front for quicker steering and a 120 instead of a narrow 90 for better grip. So yes, this is why bmw sticks to a 120/80-19 on the front. And why vstrom has a wider short wheel on the more road bias bike. Better street grip and warms up faster.
I can say with 100% confidence my front is worse on the street than the stock tires and there is a big gap between the rear and the stock tire.
But they are beasts off road
You are OK that's what is important! I wouldn't blame the tires on ice any tire would have done the same. What I should be looking into one of those airbag jackets...
I'll never ride without any Airbag again.
This bike and tire have slipped the front on good weather rides. This was far from my most aggressive rides. But other tires on other bikes I've push harder in colder conditions.
Ice didn't help, but these tires are tricky in good days
nice video, thanks!
Thanks for showing what happened and glad you're okay. For a front tyre you can try Anakee wild or Golden tyre gt823 as I believe it's M+S rated. Also I do counter leaning when it's slippery, same as on a gravel. Ryan F9 did a video about counter leaning. Cheers.
I don't counter lean usually.
Michelin is expensive and doesn't last long, but probably would be better in this situation.
Japan has very limited tires
gws brother,
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@@DragoniteMotoJPI believe he means Get Well Soon.
Thanks for the Translation 😁
It can become a rather expensive hobby quick. I just lost my drivers license for one month and had to pay 500 Euro fine for speeding. But at least now I will safe some money on fuel and do something for my health by riding a bicycle.
Sport bikes have gotten me on a first name basis with a few cops. 😅
I'm finding the more off-road you want, the more it costs.
In Australia cattle grids can catch people out …rule of thumb …take any metal surface on a road at slow speed and SQUARE ON ….with your front tyre.And don’t accelerate or brake over metal surfaces .
This comment is aimed at all of us …including myself , so easy to forget .
Wonder what setting your Traction was set on ?
ABS on a 300 rally I owned saved me on slime hiding in the shadows in Australia , was braking late into a corner front wheel started to slide felt a pulse bike didn’t go down .
300 rally didn’t have cornering ABS but something worked .
Maybe you could report what setting your Traction control was on ?
I lost the front not the rear.
But tc was 3.
@ Sorry thought the metal plate was behind the location of ice on the road , just commented as observed myself nearly go down recently on an innocuous cattle grid here in summery Australia , I wasn’t square on and accelerated …have ridden for decades but sometimes we all lose concentration.
Glad you are ok 80 km per hour is a fair speed , that airbag looks a lifesaver , have done over 13000kms on Transalp in 4 mths but mainly on back road bitumen .
Will look out for more videos on your channel .👍
@SomewhereInside thanks, ya ill never ride without any Airbag.
Plenty if videos to come
But it’s a great bike to keep though and I haven’t yet found any reasons to sell my Transalp 750, it’s like a great dirt bike that also is awesome on the road.
Ya, I think getting stickier tires will fix most of it.
But, great adv bike, no question
Black ice will ruin anyone's day. I don't ride if it's been wet and is cold enough to freeze up. Two wheels are NOT holding traction leaned on black ice.
I LOVE trailmax raids on my scrambler 1200. Never get into deep sand or mud, just because there isn't much near me. Great on road, great on anything I can find off road. Soft, high silicate. Mostly road, they last about 6k miles.
I looked at those, but not sold in Japan
Only way to have some kind of grip on ice is to use winter tires (with studs where legal)... M+S are not winter tires.
You could as well have had soft street tires, the result would have been the same, the rubber on any type of tire except winter tires will be hard when it is cold, especially when the tarmac/asfalt temperature goes down against freezing point...
Sorry I wasn't more clear in the video.
The ice was short. The front tire didn't re-grip after the ice.
All the road focused tires I've had in the past have slipped in the winter, but catch after the ice, and I don't go down.
Not sure of your weight, but I owned this bike, key word owned. I had to give it up due to the stock suspension. I just could not see putting the money into a bike of this stature for an upgraded suspension.
I'm 95kg, coming out of health troubles planing ti get back down to 80kg.
I go back and forth. Sellf the bike or get suspension. If I do suspension, this is a bike that will last a decade and good suspension would make it a bike that let's me ignore eicma.
But it's a big spend no doubt
@ lots depends on how much off road. You could just respring and valves. It’s a pretty bad suspension IMO. Even for street.
@Romenet310 i come from sport bikes.
I hated it on the street well before the dirt.
I'm also thinking adv bikes are compromised sport tourers and over way duelsports. Not great at either.
I'm tempted to sell for the new drz and pick up an mt07 down the road
@ I have a KTM 1290 Super Adventure S. It’s a street bike that some people try to take off road. I have been struggling trying to decide if I want to put off road tires on it or just keep it for the street. It’s extremely heavy and I’d have to limit off road either way. My other option is I have been hunting for a WR250R for dual sport riding but again, a tough decision. And will I really ride two bikes?
Try to find a tire that is good on and off road. I like trailmax raids a lot, but the rear wobbles and tracks, and is fantastic in Twisties. 6k mile lifetime. I don't mind the downsides compared with how much I like the handling in all conditions
There’s no point beating yourself out about the tires if you got black ice no matter what the tire you have outcome will be the same and I’m telling you from personal experience !!
I've slipped on it before and tires caught after the ice.
These tires didn't
Why are people riding around on a new or newish bike without comprehensive insurance?
Cost.
What makes you thinkni didn't have insurance?
Insurance in Japan covers major crashes and who you hit
The only "need" was pegs, which is didn't want to raise my rates from letting them know about the crash for $50 pegs. And jacket and gloves which wouldn't be covered.
LOL. Only fools will travel like this.
You were on a cold, iced pavement with shade on the road in spots. No tires would have had grip.
You have alot to learn. But we all start some where.
You are funny at least.
The forks should never twist from any riding! Only on falls and crashes. Make sure you align properly and use a torque wrench on all fasteners.
Lol