Discovery Enterprise/Kelvin Enterprise Comparison - Trekyards Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- How does the new Discovery Enterprise stack up to the Kelvin or JJverse Enterprise size wise? Well we take a look at that today. It’s JJverse VS Discoverse here on Trekyards!
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JJprise actually looks futuristic with big powerful nacelles. Not like a cardboard box
I was thinking the exact same thing
Or really old and goofy like Popeye The Sailor Man when he eats spinach to get strong 😂
Discovery's Enterprise to me looks like the best update solution between the 1960s-style TOS original version and the over-the-top JJ version. The nacelles placed wider apart on Discovery's Enterprise is in line with the Enterprise NX-01 style.
The more I look at the jjprise (jjprise is an official autocorrect in devices out of the box, ok worrying) the more my eyes are drawn to the docking ports. They're misaligned on the vertical; excusable in the refit, but not in the jj design. And yes, the discoprise (also somehow in autocorrect out of the box, ok this is gonna make me paranoid :p) is a better alternate timeline design. Interestingly, I read an interview that contained the words "so this fits in our timeline" which I take mas official admission that Discovery isn't prime timeline.
I couldn't agree more it. Before the discovery enterprise the motion picture ship was my favorite but the discovery version improved on that.
This dimensions must have been cobbled together nicely to be a part of the human Savage trial extablished by the q continuum!
The reason the STD’prise appears correctly proportioned is because TV screens have gotten wider. On 4:3 screens the motion picture ship fitted the rule of thirds, used to frame shots. Using the same design and framing leaves extra space surrounding the ship on modern screens.
Philip Drury it is actually
The sad thing is that the "JJprise" was originally designed to be the same size as the TOS. The problem came when they designed and built the shuttlecraft sets too large, then had to scale up the shuttlebay to make them fit for the shots they wanted, THEN had to scale up the ship so it all made visual sense. The size value is a post-production retcon.
Legend goes JJ does the same upscaling filming his private parts 😂
So that’s why Jar Jar’s Enterprise is as big as Enterprise D.
I am fine being in the minority here but I like Discoprise a lot. I really love the ST:Enterprise era look of the ship while still maintaining the overall look that you recognize as the Enterprise we are familiar with, it is a nice evolutionary step for the ship and I think looks much more likely to end up as TMP Enterprise after refit than TOS Enterprise does. I've always been a fan of the aztecing on the hull of Federation ships.. It is not scaled up ridiculously like JJ Prise. Window size, ya maybe but there are more than just 1 size of windows so that doesn't bother me .
Most people like the Discoprise!
Yeah aside from the scaling issue of the windows it's pretty much my favorite version. Although someone in the comment section here pointed out the unofficial Madkoifish refit and that looks pretty awesome as well.
Yeah I don’t think that’s a minority opinion. The Discoprise is gorgeous.
OK, so the Vengeance from the JJTrek universe is the size of a Star Destroyer???
Why the f.. Do these idiots screw with original time line etc etc. Shows that these idiots only care about their vision of star trek.
Yes Mike, yes it is. v.v
Star Destroyer or Romulan D'Deridex warbird. People forget that thing is also massive.
He we go with this shit again! Sigh...........
I believe the Imperial I/II Star Destroyer is around 1600m long, where as the D'deridex(depending on who you ask) is about 1050m long. The Vengeance, when taking into account that it's about twice the size of the JJprize(which is over 700m long I believe?) makes it much closer to the Imperial Star Destroyer.
the JJprise is beautiful. especially the refit.
Ugh!!! It's an abomination!
@@spaceace1006 its called an opinion and I also like it
Personally I love the JJ enterprise (besides pylons) and hate the Discovery enterprise (just about everything)
The scary thing is that the JJ-prise does appear to only have two decks. You see them in Beyond when the bow has been smashed off.
It's because in the alternate JJ Timeline Humans are actually 4 Meters tall and Treckyards just forgot to adjust their Human scale accordingly.
(That's meant ironic by the way)
It's actually because the 2 decks in the original aren't 2 regular decks. The top deck is living space, but squished up at the edge like a loft, but is otherwise the ONLY deck that covers the entire disc.
The JJ prise is a genuine full 2 decks, nestled between layers at the edge, which nearly doubles that thickness. But per it's proportions it's not as thick for its size as the original design.
Hence all the problems.
Yeah its like a skyscraper, there is space between the floors to carry the utilities, despite having Jeffries tubes the original had paper thin walls, the JJ enterprise was far more primitive with large piping and so needs massive space between decks. The other thing is in the original windows tended to be quite narrow but they were bigger in TNG, bigger still in Voyager and now they are essentially floor to ceiling windows like we have in modern buildings.
You see them in ID as well. There's no space between them either. Just regular corridors. Blu-ray size be damned. It's 366m model and that's it. i.imgur.com/YCul2mS.jpg
YES! ^^This! What I've told them multiple times!
At least the original is stick shift.
You can't beat the refit/A, because you can't improve upon perfection.
Chief Jericho Truer words have never been typed in a RUclips video! Andrew Probert's design is FLAWLESS. 🖖😀
Chief Jericho - Couldn't agree more. Beautiful ship.
Of all the ships named Enterprise the refit is my absolute favorite.
@@dennywordkiller4253 I like Enterprise A, B, and C. E is okay.
And why do you say that? My only problem with the refit was no aft torpedoes.
The Discovery Enterprise is what I thought the 2009 enterprise was going to look like. A tweaked updated version of the original ship. The Kelvinverse Enterprise is my least favorite Enterprise design.
I HATE the windows... So bad.
JJprise is admittedly better than the Ent-J.
Speaking of J, do they really need to make the ships bigger? Even the D was too big, and EC Henry proved it as well. Also, what’s with skinny pylons and nacelles? I know it’s in space and all, but design reminds of certain cartoon characters, big heads, small bodies, and too thin limbs, won’t really function outside comic/cartoon medium.
My favorite recent version of the 1701 is unofficial, and that would be Madkoifish's design. I've always felt that design would have been ideal for the Kelvin films because it's a noticeable update, but not so radical that it would turn fans off, as in the case with the 2009 Connie.
www.deviantart.com/enterpriseag/gallery/
I'd never seen that one before. Great design!
I don't understand why they always want to make the TOS Enterprise bigger. It's a perfectly sized for what it needs to do.
True, if the ship stays in space, the scale shouldn't even register. So I don't know what the Discoverse logic is, but it makes a little sense for the other one, the scale shows up more given that they keep inexplicably making it swim.
Eh I do feel Trek is a little undersized from what it should be.
That said though since the canon is already set it shouldn't be messed with
There's not enough space in the original TOS Enterprise for 431 crew, quarters, science labs, medical facilities, main computer, turbolift shafts, conduits, life support equipment, etc. It needed to be about 20% bigger (as the interior of the shuttlecraft set was as opposed to the exterior prop).
Those who have designed floor plans for the TOS Enterprise don't make things as big as they need to be,...
Yup it's as big as ww2 cv. Yet every turd wanted to be larger
The reason for Kelvin timelines bigger iteration of the Enterprise is based on the scans of the Romulan vessel the Narada sent back by the Kelvin to Starfleet before her destruction. The information they received sent them back to the drawing board in anticipation of any future encounters with such vessel technology.
I just hope someone figures out how to adjust the contrast for the second season. Dark ships with no detail is just lazy production. Where are the beauty shots that EVERY Trek fan desires?
The engines have to be a certain distance in order to create the warp bubble that surrounds the ship at warp speeds. Too far away, or too close won't work.as for Disco prise, and JJ. Prise they are from an alternate reality from the good old reliable TOS Enterprise. They are and are not the same ship. Remember " Mirror mirror" was in an alternate universe.
Lazy is the motto of the new Star Trek producers, writers, and executives.
Great review! Three of my favorite designs! I have loved the JJ-prise but the Discovery Enterprise has become my favorite Enterprise design!
As long as the ship is in scale with the other ships in that movie or show, then I don't mind. In the movies, there's more money for extras, so more people means a larger ship.
You can have the same size ship without massively upsizing it
The lack of uniformity in just the size alone is ... ludicrous.
It's what we're used to. Using the TOS version as a reference, every remake will feel like 'not the original'. When viewed from a TV-decade point of view, the redesign just works. when we watch ST from a point of view where we imagine that these starships represent the future knowing that the NX-01 looked even more modern than the TOS Enterprise, we will have to adapt. IMHO they are all the Enterprise, they are all original. We need to watch every series with the eye of the time they were produced, only then can we fully enjoy the starships as they were. Still, as a 1990's star trek fan, the 'Disco-prise' is my favorite, because it's closest to the looks of the starships from that era.
Mildly infuriating that they don't come up with a different class name every time they come up with a reboot of the Constitution Class.
I mean... That's the classification it's given for each iteration of the Connie. You could maybe say that TMP had a different name, the Refit (which it definitely is), but it still makes sense to call it a Connie. That's what it is.
@@lucinavonnolaran8728 You could make the argument that the Discoprise is intended to be the same ship (even though it really can't be) but the Kelvin ship is so radically different there is no reason they couldn't have said their universe used a different name for the class, too. I was looking at it from a fan perspective, though. If someone asks for the specifications of a Constitution-class, there shouldn't be seven mutually incompatible answers. That completely defeats the purpose of having ship classes at all.
I like all 3 1701 Enterprise.
Don’t look at the windows for scale. Look at the airlock doors. They’re a standardized size. It’s the best way to determine an accurate scale.
Original is still THE BEST from the ones in this vid
Looking at the top views, the discoprise makes a good enterprise A and the jjprise makes a good enterprise B. Not canonically, obviously, but in hindsight.
I honestly Don't see why the Kelvin Enterprise gets so much hate, that and the movies? I think it looks just fine, Obviously I do prefer the TOS Enterprise over it, but I do still like the advanced futuristic design of the Kelvin, but it's just my opinion.
The 1979-1984 Constitution class Enterprise Refit is and shall always be, my favorite star ship.
7:52 From the front view, the STDprise reminds me of the NX-01 refit.
I think your comparison should have been the TOS Enterprise, the Star Trek Movie Enterprise and the Star Trek Discovery Enterprise. To me the Kelvin Timeline Enterprise is a parallel universe so it’s evolution doesn’t fit the comparison. The Discovery Enterprise is a progression from the the NX-01, which is also a reboot of the timeline based on Star Trek First Contact. They also took many of the best elements from the Motion Picture Enterprise which makes the Discovery Enterprise fit in the progression. I think the biggest mistake of TMP was using the term refit. To me that is what the ship always looked like. I view TOS as someone telling the tales of Kirk’s captaincy, where they didn’t know what the ship really looked like, so we got a stage view of a ship that actually didn’t exist design wise (which explains the 1960’s styling).
The discovery version of the enterprise is by far hands down the best version. It looks and feels like the ship that the TOS version would have been if they’d had the technology, the money, and ability to do. Also keep it in mind that they were thinking of it as this is the ship, it’s what taxis the crew around. Where for most trekies, this ship isn’t just another member of the crew, it’s the most important member. It’s a big difference in mind set
Why couldn't they just tweak the original design? Y'know, keep the scale and profile, but re-texture it, maybe tweak things by a couple degrees to make the profile look better. They could have gotten away with that without most fans noticing or caring.
Guys by the way if you remember Robert Wise did kinda the same mistake for Star Trek the motion picture where by mesuring from the shuttle hangar the Enterprise was much larger than it was meant to be. It was retconned by the folling movies but may be you could include the tmps Refit wrong size for another feature compared to the new and older ones.
"I don't want to beat a dead fish."-Capt. Foley
Me- Is that a Canadianism?
When comparing, a render with the JJ-prise at half size might be interesting. The intended original scale.
Don't take this the wrong way but I just love how you both open up with Captain and Commander when in reality you'd be a Chief and Petty Officer lol... Anyway I love the paint job and secondary hull of Abrams enterprise but the rest of the Discovery! Can someone design this just to see! I also like the Discovery scale Abrams is over the top!
That ofc he clearly proved in the star wars franchise as well with The Force Awakens and most likely even the Last Jedi. I mean if he was able to be a blunder with those two star wars movies no wonder he is hated so heavily with the rebooted kelvin timeline kelvin trek universe as much as he was in the star wars the force awakens and last jedi movies.
can ya'll do a animation featuring all three of these ships?
The JJ enterprise has 24 decks and is the biggest version of kirks/pikes enterprise in existence.
I still love the Kelvin Timeline Enterprise. 😊
I think it makes sense for the Kelvin timeline to go gigantic, in response to the arrival of a ship from a hundred years ahead in the timeline. Like how the Mirror Universe also went gigantic when they got ahold of a ship from a hundred years in their future.
I am not the biggest fan of shows post-Discovery inflating the size of everything by 20% but it definitely is something a lot of people have been vocally pushing for, for decades now. I definitely feel like the Discovery Enterprise was designed to be closer to the original Constitution but was upscaled so it would not look tiny compared to the Discovery. After having watched SNW, I have grown to really like the 2018 redesign of the ship. I think it is a visually appealing update to a classic design.
The TMP Refit Constitution still blows all of these ships out of the water and is by far the best version of the Connie.
Maybe if you're driving to space by FTL ship, you won't cares about earth liner timeline too much. You just need to ensuring accurate hyperspace time when you're back.
In the minority of minorities here but i absolutely love the kelvin enterprise. It may not be true to the originals, its taken a lot of creative liberties, its basiclly a whole different ship other than general layout, but as the enterprise that introduced me to star trek in the first place, it did a bloody good job. As my first impression of the enterprise,its sort of natural that it would be my favorite version, but seriously, you cant disagree that it is a beautiful pile of ship
And Captain, the JJ Enterprise saucer has more than two decks, the other decks are service decks for all the big piping and plumbing this streamlined steamer needs ;-)
I love your work guys keep up the good work . Hey have you guys played Starfleet Command Orion Pirates? I'm trying to find an image of the cargo ships that you either protect or attack depending on your mission. I loved playing that ship based upon a prestige exploit in the game. Finding one would really bring back fun memories.
I like JJ prise but I wish there was more explanation as to why (and how) Kelvin timeline starfleet went the way they did with the ship's.
I'd like to see more of the Kelvin timeline. Is there a temporal starfleet? How would the galaxy class look? Would there even be a galaxy class? What about the other alien races like the Borg? Is there a mirror Kelvin timeline? What about the future of the Kelvin timeline? I wanna see this stuff because it's got alot of potential to be something really interesting!
It’s pretty well implied that after the narrada destroyed the Kelvin Starfleet invested heavily into creating bigger, better armed and defended ships
@@theAverageJoe25 and I think we would also expect every TOS starship design, both alpha, beta and even fan designs would follow the new design style.
I dunno, Captain. I rather like the phrase "beat a dead fish" better than the dead horse one. I say we officially change it. ;P
A proportion that isn't discussed a lot but really bothers me is the *relationship between the Dome on the bottom of the saucer and the deflector dish*.
This is what makes the jjprise look so distorted. The dish is nearly underneath the centre of the saucer.
On _all_ of the other versions of the Enterprise that is pushed far rearward,, giving the ship a much more balanced look. Even with improvements made in later JJ movies this essential hard point was never adjusted so the neck always seemed like it was coming down in the wrong place or was misshapen or in some way you could just tell it wasn't right.
And for me it is that that front of the secondary hull is far too pushed forward in JJ's version. It totally upsets the balance of the original design, the refit design, and really every other iteration of Enterprise after that including the B, C, D and the E.
No Federation ship has had a bottom whole that protrudes so far forward that it's under the center of the saucer? That alone would have improved the balance of the ship if they had moved that neck all the way up to the edge near the dish, reestablishing the balance from the original design but with different details that we can talk about. In Discovery they got these proportions roughly correct but certainly far far superior to the Kelvin timeline. That's why in the back of our minds even though we have problems with the details we can say but overall it does look like an Enterprise in its proportions because of the relationship of those key components.
So you think they are going to scale Excelsior, Ambasador, Galaxy and Sovereign up to match Discoveryprise?
They will be edgy, the Galaxy will be a multi vector, the excelsior will be a 3 nacelle transwarp beast.
As a scale model builder. If they were at the same 1/1000 scale. Here's how they would add up in inches.
Kelvin timeline: 28 inches
Original timeline: 11.5 inches
Discovery timeline: 18 inches
Multiply each by 83 ft per inch
I always refer to the JJ Enterprise as the "I-terprise". Initially I was ok with it before the movie came out. They discussed how it was larger to fit with "real world" engineering concepts. They wanted to show a working star ship with inner mechanics. I was impressed with released shots showing pipes and grating reminding me of Naval ships. Kind of gritty and realistic. Then they got to the crisp pure white bridge that was so bright it hurt my eyes. The first thing that popped into my mind is Kirk just walked into an Apple store. I was waiting for the characters to cozy up to the genius bar. Then they showed the Nacels and I became ill. I usually don't mind re imagining of classic iconic vehicles. Things change, but I will never like that ship. Then they do the whole time travel thing and that made me want to puke. Time travel in a show about space exploration is just weak as s writing. They may as well just say someone is dreaming.
Give STD a whirl then for time travelling to solve bad stories
You told us you always call it the "I-terprise" and then did not explain at all what that means.
@@JimONeil "I-terprise" as in iPhone, iPad, etc, from the Apple terminology of products. Maybe should be spelled iTerprise?
The Discovery Enterprise is bigger , but can be forgiven unlike the J.J verse ugly monstrosity...
I don't get why people are always saying it's ugly. I look at it as the original Enterprise with a hot rod twist...or as designed by Tom Paris. It blends styles of the TOS and TMP Enterprise together.
At the end of the day, the JJ-prise has more in common with the Phase II Enterprise.
My only gripe with the ship is the interior. Too bright really, I've seen shots of the bridge with toned down lights and it looks a hell of a lot better.
my favorite is always gonna be the OG Constitution, but god they all look great
Gotta say I never realized how different JJ-prise looks from the original, and it certainly didn't come off to me that huge, when I saw the movies.
The JJ-prise saucer doesn't look like its 2 decks, and it's easiest to tell from the front. 2 rows of windows, yes, but not 2 decks. If you want to say the row of windows represent a deck, then there appears to be at least 4 decks, one above and below, just without windows.
You still need to compare Disco-prise to Discovery itself!
I bet that an advance Nebula-class can bet the Kelvin eat my dust, the new Nebula minus the under-hull now it is
like a formula-1 vehicle.
A proportion that isn't discussed a lot but really bothers me is the *relationship between the Dome on the bottom of the saucer and the deflector dish* .
This is what makes the jjprise look so distorted. The dish is nearly underneath the centre of the saucer.
On _all_ of the other versions of the Enterprise that is pushed far rearward,, giving the ship a much more balanced look. Even with improvements made in later JJ movies this essential hard point was never adjusted so the neck always seemed like it was coming down in the wrong place or was misshapen or in some way you could just tell it wasn't right.
And for me it is that that front of the secondary hull is far too pushed forward in JJ's version. It totally upsets the balance of the original design, the refit design, and really every other iteration of Enterprise after that including the B, C, D and the E.
Or Voyager.
Changing this proportional relationship alone would have improved the balance of the ship if they had moved that neck all the way up to the edge near the dish, reestablishing the balance from the original design but with different details that we can talk about.
In Discovery they got these proportions roughly correct but certainly far far superior to the Kelvin timeline. That's why in the back of our minds even though we have problems with the details we can say but overall it doesn't look like an Enterprise in its proportions because of the relationship of those key components.
Discovery Enterprise is gorgeous compared to that ugly JJprise. No wonder that ship got destroyed three times.
😂😂😂
The creators of discovery say its apart the prime timeline so the enterprise in discovery is the original enterprise before the refit and before captain kirk took over
There's gonna be multiple seasons of new worlds, plenty of opportunities to destroy/refit her to get it even closer to tos. Gonna be fun.
i like these videos, its like comparing designs of cars over the decades. like them or not it is interesting how the design has evolved from the inspiration. I still don't know if the original can be classed as cannon due to them ditching it the second they had cash (movies) but it is nice seeing them trying to make newer versions of it.
I've been enjoying ST Adversaries. The discovey Ent is a neat model.
I agree.
JJprise DiscoPrise ahahah. Lovely.
I hope this becomes standard vernacular among trekies 😀
It already is?
I tend to much prefer the Discoprise over the JJprise. The nacelles on the JJprise are just too large for my liking, in comparison to the rest of the ship.
Best description for those nacelles are that they're *thicc*
Just realized how close the nacelles are in the JJ Enterprise, that’s the main thing that throws me off, I actually like it’s design though.
What do you think about Space: Above and Beyond Hammerhead.
I still think the JJprise is 450 meters, about the same size as STDprise. Also the 09 ENT is not the same as the Conny as they built a few (shown hanging from the ceiling into Darkness) before they got Narada scan tech and switched to building the JJprise. To redcon the STDprise, it is the purpose built warship Enterprise Class and almost all 12 were destroyed in the STD Klingon War. Maybe the Enterprise shown at the end of STD season 1, is the only Combat Cruiser class ship that survived.
I recall he said something like the second upscale was around 400 meters and someone one in Paramount said it was 700 meters in the movie. So likely whoever put the 700 meter label on the JJprise knew little about Trek, and all the Reboot haters used this as ammunition to discredit ST09.
Jay Wiegs the ILM that created and rendered the Enterprise... said over 700 meters.
Here’s some people walking on the hull www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/shipyard-ship1-stb.jpg
Also, when your shuttle bay is this big and people are this small memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/File:USS_Enterprise_(alternate_universe)_shuttlebay.jpg?file=USS_Enterprise_(alternate_universe)_shuttlebay.jpg Your smaller Kelvin ship theory would only work if everyone in starfleet is 2 feet tall.
So according too this the JJprise windows are 2.5 decks tall.
That's obviously incorrect. The bridge window, deck windows, and cutaways of the superstructure seen in ID support the claim it was built to 266m. The claim it was always bilt that size dosn't match the fact they have to bodge it later to support that larger size. Such as Pike's shuttle barely clearing the shuttlebay doors, figures walking past the bridge window and animated through the deck windows. The larger ship theory only works if everyone in Starfleet is four metres tall. img.trekmovie.com/images/st09/st09_hr_spockvs.jpg this is just regular Spock not Spock from the Infinate Vulcan.
No, the shuttle bay holds tons of shuttles. Youre showing a picture of forced perspective. A mountain behind spock could also look small with your forced perspective picture.
THIS is what youre looking for. Heres some people in the windows. binged.it/2BMR90Y
Also, you can see people walking around at the end of the docking, ruclips.net/video/eZTnSxW4pOI/видео.html especialy when people are walking through the docking ports. original statement stands.
I love the Discoprise. I always kind of felt like the TOS Enterprise was way too small for how large the crew complement was said to be. Sizing it up a bit and some other visual retcons to fit it in with the NX-01 looks really nice to me. All I would personally change is the nacelle struts a bit, and lighten the hull color slightly. The Enterprise actually looks like a ship from the future again, while keeping the same general look and feel. I have no problem with visual redesigns on a 50+ year old show as long as it's at least somewhat close. The new Klingon ships, though? Oof...
So, how many decks is the saucer section supposed to have?
Anyone got a link to kelvin ent vs ent d. Who would win in a battle
the same ship but they have Different Roll's the TOS COnnie is a Light Cruiser, in a sense a Escort even, the DISCO Connie is a Carrier, because it has a squadron of Fighter in its Hanger an the JJ Connie is a Battleship, because its bigger, has much more Firepower, and can tank more beatings then most... and i love that thats a thing, its true, they are the same ship, the same Class and even the same name, but they have different Roles in there Respective timeline
And THEN in ST2 there was the Dreadnaught which was even bigger! Imagine the scale on that!
I mean they showed the scale of it by smashing it into the goddamn city
THE j.j.prise is awesome. This one had everything the interior VERY vibrant. Also forward and aft weaponry. The only problem ? Movies 2 & 3. BAD STORIES . KELVIN ENTERPRISE WAS A FINE FINE LOOKING BATTLESTAR-SHIP .
The reason they run away with the scale in these other ships is because the interiors of the ships arent laid out as well. Jeffries didnt just make a ship shape. He designed a living breathing starship with decks and rooms and turbolifts. That gives you a scale. That tells you “This is how big this ship needs to be”. The Church didnt do this with the JJ Enterprise what so ever. The idiotic writers of Discovery wouldnt have considered that either, but John Eaves’ experience with the Enterprise E design gave him some common sense in ship design.
John Eaves and the Strange New Worlds writers and designers need to make the Strange New Worlds Enterprise a living ship in the spirit of Jeffries. Its possible. They have fantastic sets. It wont take an evening… its going to take some time. Get to work.
Jj prise looks so good
If the STD Enterprise was literally anything but THE TOS Constitution Class... weird Pylon-holes aside it's a very nice redesign. Could do with being less squished though.
For me I’ve never understood the amount of windows on the original enterprise’s neck. It’s 4-6 metres wide depending on who you ask so why are there windows at all, and how come on every single model I’ve ever seen, you can’t see through them to the other side?
The JJprise’s windows are very large, with the larger ones being about 5 galaxy class windows wide.
Though the Discoprise’s windows are a bit too large I think they’re more realistic that the other two.
The JJ prise is my preferred design for the Neck sizing reason I just wish it has more windows that were more accurately sized. But I guess that’s Abram’s fault for wanting the enterprise upsized.
I love the Discovery Entperise. Just don't like it in the sense that it is a retcon...................
Joe Kerr it’s not a retcon when tos was already retconned by the time tmp came out
@@jerelo175
Where's the evidence for that?
the easy way to know if it is jjTrek or prime timeline Trek is who made the show. CBS does not have any rights to the jjTrek timeline. There is no reason to compare the two because as per their licensing agreements the two Trek properties are and need to remain independent of each other.
Would be interesting to scale all these ships to their windows. Like make the windows approximately the same size and then see how the sizes line up
It's even more ridiculous since they all seem to have the same sized shuttlebay doors, even with the upsizing. The one thing that upsizing would help with - room for as many shuttles as she's supposed to have, isn't actually fixed by the Disco or JJprise.
The JJprise is just shy of a caricature. Enough has been said about it over the last 9 years.
The Discoprise is better, but the proportions are still off. The planetary sensor array is HUGE, the top of the saucer looks like a hubcap, and the swept back nacelles are wrong, and basically the JJprise nacelles flipped.
The saucer is too big and too low, the pylon angle is wrong and puts the nacelles too far apart, and all the windows and lights on the top of the saucer make it look like some back country pickup with a light bar on the roof and some little ones mounted on top of that. If you're going to put headlights on the ship, put them in the leading edge of the saucer.
With the TOS Enterprise, the only thing I'd do would be to make the nacelles a bit wider (when viewed from the side) and thicker (fore and aft views) They should not be angled.
The neck could be thicker, but the height is fine as is, and I'm fine leaving it slender. Everything clears everything else. We already know the ship is big enough to hold it's crew and supplies.
Derivative "change for changes sake" never works. It just doesn't.
Is it any surprise that the JJprise nacelles look like gigantic Disney mouse ears?
They don't?
Given the official size of the discoprise, the only possible remaining ways she is prime timeline in prime universe are 1) two ships with the same name and HIN or 2) the Enterprise is either a TARDIS with an operational chameleon circuit or a Time Lady of which we have seen several incarnations in a span of about 15 years prior to the official TMP redesign who has for some reason decided to become a starship. The third possibility is that this is all one of Q's pranks!
The JJPrise is a result of Inummeracy:
JJ: Make it twice as big!
Ryan Church: 125% x 125% x 125% = 200%! 362 meters
JJ: Make it twice as big again, 725 meters!
Math: 200% x 200% x200% = 800% x the 200% already done, the JJ Prise is SIXTEEN times the size of the Original!
The JJ-prise is sh*t. Pure sh*t. Period. The TOS Connie is....beautiful. The DSC-prise is...not so bad. :)
But the renders are, as always, gorgeous.
Awesome job
i like all 3. i think they made a mistake, however, making the 2009 so large. I would prefer it to be the same size as the original.
I don't mind changing the scale. But it just feels lazy when the look (windows) don't reflect that...
How come if V ger was so giant compared to the refit Enterprise, why was the original Enterprise at 948ft. Only extended.to one thousand ft.long.? ( 305 m.) Look at the JJ Prise. The Romulan mining ship was huge, so the Enterprise winds up huge as well. Shows our Kirkin our universe is a lot more a smarter Captain than the JJ verse Kirk. Our Enterprise is 948ft / re fit 305m. or one thousand ft. normal size. Takes on all challengers. The JJ verse one has to look big to scare every one off.
I think the windows between discovery and tos aren't that big of a problem really. Consider that when we saw those windows in tos, they were portals maybe 3 ft by 2 ft at the most on the wall. Whereas the interior sets we see of discovery, when they show windows they are really large, almost the whole wall.
Am I wrong to say, I am not an J.J. Fan for Trek ships. Discovery’s reminds me more of the Refit TOS.
The JJPrise is definitely scaled too large in comparison, you can see it has two standard docking ports one in the engineering hull and one in the neck; these are clearly too large when compared to the other two ships, you can correctly size the JJPrise by scaling it so the docking ports are are about 45% the height of the TOS saucer. Easy!
Will there be another Kelvin verse movie? Guess we'll see
No. It's DOA. Chris Pine isn't coming back, and Helmsworth balked as well,...
Another great video,. Is this Enterprise coming to STO?
Create a design spec. All they had to say was the ship had to fit within these dimensions and have these attributes. Done!!! We don't care if they look slightly different. It isn't the 1960s. There is a scale function in Paint darn it... They could work...
Matt Jeffries original Enterprise design still looks the best
i wish the JJprise was proper sized it would be so much better
Interesting how the nacelles on the Discoprise and the JJprise are roughly the same distance apart...
You can also play all three of these ships in Star trek online I'm not sure if that's been said but that's a fun game to you guys play that?
I love SNW but I'm really struggling to fall in love with this interpretation of the enterprise for the show. There's something not quite right about it that I can't put my finger on
TOS was designed as a realistic starship
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
Anybody else notice the dico and the jj nacelles are the same distance apart?
Been loving Star Trek Adversaries! I'm addicted. And love the term Discoveryprise. That's exactly what it is. It's not the Enterprise.
Hate discovery but the disco-prize is by far the best looking ship.
Maybe I'm just weird but the jj-prise looks so sexy, like a hotrod
If I had a time machine I would eliminate the people responsible for STD from the timeline.
Just FYI, if you intended to explain which ship is which to someone who has never seen the shows or movies...you did a horrible job lol. That dude on the right gave the most convoluted and confusing description of those three ships.