What the hell is “Dad Rock”? (the uncomfortable truth)
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What is "dad rock"? How did bands like Blink-182, Sum-41, Deftones and Slipknot end up as dad rock? Is all music doomed to be dad rock eventually?
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0:00 Intro
3:01 The definition of "dad rock"
7:43 The nostalgia generation?
11:36 Is rock still dangerous?
15:59 Is shock value dead? 
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I think the hippie movement is kind of coming back unexpectedly. Cattle Decapation preach hippie shit but do not sound like The Grateful Dead to say the least
Also, Gojira are some of the most talented musicians on the planet and they don't exactly sound like hippies either
You should have had a sponsor for Asprin for dad rock episode
I can't believe you managed to squeeze 20 minutes out of this topic.
I took my kid to this event with ninja turtles lol surprise and other toddler age stuff. They played ramones. I wasn’t sure if it was depressing or awesome.
Next crazy form of music will be generated by A.I
Punk Rock MBA doing an in video ad for a pre made mail order meal prep box is exactly the spirit of 'Dad Rock'.
TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^ 😅😅
Single dad rock 😅
Those meals would make me Kurt Cobain myself.
Real single dads eat hungry man
Well done.
For the first time in Rock history, dads aren't describing modern music as noise, but as lame. We are at an inversion point.
And “mid” in another 20 years
That'sright 😂😂 They bring their teens to Wacken.
@@giselastruchonski7999 I intend to bring my kid to that some day.
Today's kids are scared of heavy music.
My 14 year old nephew thought the Final Countdown was too heavy and aggressive.
The fun thing about this topic is we can trace the birth of Dad Rap as a mainstream concept back to a specific day: February 13, 2022, when Dr. Dre and friends performed halftime of Super Bowl LVI.
Millions of Gen X and Millennials went nuts over finally having a halftime show geared toward their tastes…only to realize exactly why that was the case a short time later.
When a TV ad plays Nine Inch Nails Closer at 5pm I will accept Dad Rock applies to me. Good night.
A clothing brand in Peru did it in 96, but with another song. Search Jeans Furia 1996
NIN was dad rock from day 1
@@HydratedBeans I must have been a dad very prematurely :)
@@harrr53 I’m just being a troll. My bad, lol
Im 41. I have dad rock, a dad bod, dad shoes, dad jeans, dad hats, and dad jokes. Whats the alternative? 🤷♂️ 😂
Punk rock brother
@@rockerpirate Of course that's nice to throw in the mix 👍
@@patricklinkousI’m pretty sure most punk rock is “dad punk rock”? Haha hey as a dad, I take it as a compliment haha
I’m 44 and you know how hard it is to find the little black rubber bracelets that I love?
@@bt0694 Home Depot
Being old means you got to live for a long time . And you’re still alive . A lot of people don’t have that . Being old is a good thing
YES.
A lot of our favorite musicians didn’t even have that…
Exactly. Growing old is a privilege not everyone gets.
Only one way to keep from getting old, and that's to die young. And who the hell wants that?!
I saw an elderly man walking on his own and couldn't help but wonder how I will turn out if I make it alright
It's 2024. "Dad Rock" comprises everything from Dire Straits to Blink-182
I'm 43 and recently started listening to my old NOFX albums again. Forgot how good that band is.
@@andyb1653 Don't forget Face To Face, or even the Offspring! All good shit!
@@devilsoffspring5519Hell yea
@@andyb1653 I'm 47 and listened to Kerplunk by Green Day a little while back. Still sounds good after all these decades :)
I resent the term "Dad Rock" because not all of us old guys are dads. Spotify generated a playlist for me called "Angry Dad Music", which is full of what used to be called "Angsty Teen Music".
And Blink 182 were always safe and tame even in their non "dad rock" prime.
Incroyable.
They're more comedic
Ticket prices are insane and out of reach for most young people. In the 90s, Warp Tour tickets were $30, Lollapalooza about $40, while most concerts today start at $200. We need another tour with "b-list" bands, youth focused, and an affordable ticket price to revitalize the rock scene.
Cannibal corpse is selling floor tickets for 40$
The b list bands don’t cost that much unless your seeing Taylor swift or some crap like that
That same Warped Tour ticket would cost $62 today and that Lollapalooza ticket would be $83. Basically today’s cost for most upper level shows. Just a thought.
Most smaller bands sell tickets for no more than £30 - £50. If you’re choosing to go see a more well established band like AC/DC for example then the tickets are gonna be way more expensive.
true - I went to Riot Fest last year and it was way overpriced. I'm old and rich, so "it caters to me!" However, I feel bad for the youth that might not have the same resources as myself like when I was that age. Riot Fest truly is a Rolling Stones concert for old rich people as a fest in my eyes...this is not the Warped Tour I went to as a youth to have fun for cheap. I understand older bands have bills and house payments and all that now, but the marketing is "this is a fun event for the youth" instead of "these bands are in their 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s and they have medical bills and house payments and stuff so the event is priced and produced accordingly. Remember everyone to social distance! Moshing is forbidden."
All those people at coke parties,
Back in 2008,
well,
Now they've got mortgages,
And kids in 5th grade
- Dr Seuss
4:34 🎶 Hey man, Is that Dad Rock? Well, turn it up man! 🎶
Hahaha... Cheers Gen X...
Hahaha..
Back in my day, the “dad rock” was called “Oldies.” Of which my mom just called them, Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Little Richard, Elvis Presley
That’s like the rock of my ancestors now lol
From moshing to Deftones, Korn, Slipknot and System of a down to being a father with a mortgage, playing my records late at night when everybody sleeps. Back then it was awesome, but these days are awesome too. Rock on dads!
shit, im 47 and i listen to them when i want. Obviouslyw hen people arent sleeping, because well, i still like loud music. lol
I'm 32 and this video genuinely made me feel... Scared, and that sux. I don't have kid's yet but the genuine acceptance i hear from people on this subject is interesting. People in our age range seem to be more inclined to accept this facet that "we" had some of the last groundbreaking moments of music.
Blink-182 being referred to as “childish and juvenile” is pretty accurate imo
They're a good gateway band to the Ramones, but once I got into the Ramones, I couldn't go back to Blink anymore.
Totally. Thats why I liked them when I was a teen, they went on stage and were goofy, immature & fun
Believe the term was "teen angst music"
Still love them 😃🤷♂️
@@IzunaSlapgateway to a shitty punk band?
I imagine for any new band, coming up with original riffs must be incredibly hard.
You had me at the "Freedom Rock/Well, turn it up, Dude!" commercial.
Snoop Dogg dissing on mumble rap is the best part of this video
He’s a flip flopper though. He was on Ice T’s side hating on Soulja Boy and his nonsense rap back in 2007, then completely went the other way later on. Snoop says whatever the room wants him to say
Oh you did the thing
Talking about mumble rap in the big 2024
Poop Log does food delivery app ads
Dad Rap…
dad rock is literally anything parents listened to through out history, your dad, his dad, his dad and so forth
Basically every song and band from the previous0 or past0 generation(s)...
Yeah, it's basically some meaningless terminology thrown around by snobs.
the "problem" is most of its not even rock.
@@NogrimStonesonhow
There's just a courage vacuum in music in general in 2024. You don't need shock value, controversy or anything like that. You don't need to be louder, darker, angrier, more hood than the next artist (or whatever other metric of insecurity you happen to choose).You just need people to hear your work and go, 'Yeah... I feel that...and that's something I haven't felt before'
Thanks dad for my love of rockabilly and old school country. You turned me on to Social Distortion and The Cramps without even knowing it.
Awesome...
Your gonna be alright..
Cheers from Southern California 🇺🇸
First Korn announces a 30th anniversary thing today and now this video. Are you trying to kill me Finn?! My bones are practically dust now and my back hurts.
My local club has Emo night the first Tuesday of every month. Someone commented on their Instagram "can we move this to Friday night? Us scene kids have jobs/kids now."
lol
I love the nostalgia of listening to old MCR and Fall Out Boy from time to time, but I mostly only listen to it when in the car with my wife because that's one of the few overlapping interests we have as far as music.
The art isn't going away. It's just consumed differently now, and social media, and streaming platforms have ruined how we take in art. Big corporations have ruined the concert goer experiences by pricing out the average fan with overpricing shows, and monopolizing venues. Shows like the old touring Lolla, Warp tour and Ozzfest were really important for seeing new bands, now those are all gone.
Red Hot chili peppers are on the casino tour. If there's ever a question if your band is Dad rock... if you're playing at a native American casino on a weekday, you're dad Rock
that's cool I didn't know that haha!
Hahaha....I used to rock my RHCP boxer shorts over leggings with Doc Martin's in the late 80's. Peeps in my high school were clueless until Under the Bridge came out.
RHCP are definitely dad rock, whatever that is. Creepy dad rock too, as some of the members of that band have a questionable past.
New sounds can make waves, but excellent songs stand the test of time.
I'm 40 my daughters skateboard with me I still ware dickies and old school vans and listen to my parents music and the music I loved it's great to be alive!
This! Sounds like you have it figured out! Props.
So fun!
Thats awesome. I am 41, and we are having our first kid this October. My wife wants to teach it to skateboard!
I'm 43. I enjoy my dads music and my own but there's no way I can get into the modern garbage though.
you know it really sucks being young in this generation. As someone who wants nothing more than to be in a famous band, it is so difficult to find people with shared interests as you and even writing your own songs that are original but also appealing is near impossible. All music gear is so expensive too. Nobody makes music like it used to be and now I can see why. Nobody rocks the way it used to be, it's a tragedy. I want to be and/or see a new generation of heavy rockers that will change the world with music more than anything. It's a shame it is the way it is right now.
As a dad, I'd have to say Ghost is another modern band that is considered dad rock.
As a dad, Ghost is f*&%ing AWESOME!
@@dvprater314 My favorite band! 😍
I would rather listen to Nickelback than Ghost. But yes, Ghost is Dad Rock now.
Honestly I think it’s less so the lack of new acts pissing people off, and more so the death of subculture with the rise of the internet. Musical acts have an easier time gaining exposure, and different artistic cultures and scenes are picked up and hyperocommodified right away when a semblance of their popularity is realized by a large internet audience
I'd say the death of subculture kinda hit when the Hipsters came around, where just imitating counter-culture became sort of counter culture (in a counter cultureception kind of way). There really isn't that youth culture thing going on (especially in rock) that feels different, like yeah Bad Omens and Sleep Token are a breath of fresh air, but frankly Sleep Token just feels like they'd fit in in that whole Scene era, and Bad Omens in kinda the same way, there's not really anything alt in rock anymore.
That doesn't make sense big dog I'm about to be 30. I listen to good ol skramz and lately scene music I avoided as a teen then.
Let's be real black culture and music is the mainstream for all youth at this point. Being 13 in 08 their was a bit of a divide. After the scene era rock kinda died punk is only relevant if you live in certain metros.
Rap took over that edgy punk rock experience for the youth. I say that as a juice peep and fan of the south Florida movement.
The gangster rap movement just fills everything the youth finds cool and deals with. Growing up in the scene era I didn't face the same kind of shit as all the fake bars and fetty pills flowing free.
Agree 100%
Pretty much. We all live post Internet and forget how big a deal it actually is on a lot of levels, this is another symptom of that.
@danfurtado9158 See, the problem is that that is less counterculture than I think you realize, I mean FFS you used a music genre that's basically been dead since the mid 90s. From what I've seen the closest is basically recreating Digital Hardcore, but putting that modern rap sound over it, and even then it's only the music.
All the kids at my local skatepark play "dad rock" music through their speakers. Not one of them has introduced me to a new band. If anything it's me who introduces them to new and upcoming bands when it's my turn to play music, which is just crazy to me as i'm almost 44 years old. If some 44 year old dude had tried to introduce me to new music when I was 16 i'd probably have laughed at them.
Some good points well made in this video though. I can definitely get a sense of rock and metal becoming a legacy genre.
I was at the park with my kids last week and there were some skaters there with a stereo playing stuff like AC/DC and the Ramones. Thinks that were old when I was a kid.
Shout out to Bepop Jazz. The most elitist, and most rebellious genre that never sold out and still is considered underground to this day.
"Dad Rap"? Finn, the world wasn't ready for that! I love it!
Personally, when warped tour called it quits, the nostalgia acts were the only thing to really pull massive crowds. We don’t have any festivals based on trying to push up and comers because “they aren’t profitable or worth the time”. Bands don’t really blow up anymore, they all have long careers and already built up a good audience before they “blew up over night”.
And if we want to shock people and be counter culture in this day and age, you have to be Tom Macdonald and push those narratives.
This really made me think. Maybe our current musical landscape is a byproduct of the counterculture, by and large, winning the culture war (or at least having the upper hand). It feels similar to Constantine's Christianization of Rome in terms of "what was once edgy, taboo, tread upon, and/or unsafe is now, while still opposed by some, actively endorsed by the establishment"
When what was once considered rebellious becomes safe, it loses its traction with naturally rebellious youth. It can't thrive on being persecuted anymore (which is probably why Tom MacDonald's "countercultural" approach resonates with his fans). This leaves teens who want to "rebel" go either a) the neocon Tom MacDonald route or b) go hard left and find increasingly more niche and defiant political or social subgroups to identify with and fight for acceptance of. Rock moved the establishment more to the center (from the right), and we're seeing the ramifications (not that they're necessarily good or bad on the whole)
Tom MacDonald is the furthest thing from counter culture
@@nonamelegend_vaporah, Constantine's Rome, I remember those times like it was yesterday.
I learned to get over labels / how other people referr to certain bands a long time ago. I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks of the music I like or what they choose to call it. All that matters is if I like it or not.
wow im 27 and i had no idea i’ve been listening to dad rock this whole time
got a kid you don't know about?
This my new favorite vid from Finn out of the bunch I've watched. Good analysis, Cheers
I'm a huge horror movie nerd, and it stopped being shocking a long time ago. A few years ago I discovered John Waters and it was shocking seeing Pink Flamingos. Once things get boring and you start looking in other areas you find stuff that's exciting even if it is not current.
i guess like only gore compilations are shocking now
I just watch schlock like HG Lewis and Ray Dennis steckler.. much better than anything at hot topic
Pink Flamingos is shockingly bad
eggman?
Better than at least half of M Night Shamalamadingdong's work.@@codexnecro666
The whole video to me was like scratching glass with a nail. I'm 27 years old and a lifelong rock music fan. I see more and more teenagers today being interested in rock and metal because hip-hop/trap and other alternative genres in the mainstream have become what normies are listening to. At least that's what it seems like. No one told the lo-fi, funk and indie musicians who reinvented the sound for today's listeners that their music is for dads. I'm more than excited to see what rock music brings to us in the near future.
I found normies listening to rap in the very early 2000's already. So I went into heavy/power/death/melodic death/thrash/black metal territory, and also ambient, classical, industrial, etc. Now, many of those are a little more "accepted", but still less dull than most mainstream garbage.
Wait, so why was the video so painful for you(nail scratching glass) ?
I completely agree with you! I am 28 and If anything I see a major resurgence and increased interest in metal and rock music as well. I have also been a life long fan and all through late high school and college, from years 2013-2020 nobody really cared about rock and especially metal and it wasn’t mainstream. I think the nostalgia and interest in 90s grunge and now the resurgence of the scene and emo eras of the 2000s just means we will probably see a big wave of new rock or metal in the next couple of years.
So it's a very interesting time, it's a bit of a catch 22 in some cases, at least for myself as an artist. During the time when I got back in the music after taking a 5-year break, I came back full swing, and as a solo artist under the name I have now ColSeth, who mainly does Alternative Rock/Metal/Grunge/Shoegaze it was both perfect timing (I thought) but also a losing battle. Like I make stuff that would have been perfect, and heck who knows if it had the ears hear it or where it could have gone, but that's neither here nor there. Point is, while we're living in a time where all of that sound is resurging it's all the more difficult, because I'm competing against Legendary icon bands who are blowing up again. So it's like trying to compete with Deftones or Slipknot or something, idc who you are I'm losing that battle 100% of the time, and rightfully so, as I should. They've cemented themselves in the history of Rock forever, but my question is how do I? I've poured more blood, sweat, and tears, passion and my everything into my music especially these last 2 years. Got picked up by a PR team, Mayhem Music Company, have multiple reviews about my album "The Elusive More" from many different Music publications, all very positive and well written. Spent so much time and energy, and money into building a following on all platforms, and in other artists music who are trying, having the opportunity to collaborate with countless fantastic artists, toured and played many shows with bands like Modern Baseball, Title Fight, Tigers Jaw, Glocca Morra just to name a few, and plenty of other accomplishments along the way ect... I don't really care about all of that as a means to my point, but did all the things (at least to the best of my ability) and nothing has come of it really in the end. So where do new artists, or other artists that make great music go to find opportunity, other than the current way which essentially feels like a waiting game of hoping you get blessed by an algorithm, and maybe go viral for a very short lived moment? Not having these types of events or festivals definitely hurts those changes for sure...
@@ZooPact im tellin you, if you wanna know what direction Gen Z is taking "music" in, check out urfavxboyfriend LOL
Then IMITATE what he is doing. Instant $$$ internet fame, and success.
Dad rock is like 70s AM radio.. Chicago, ELO, Wings..
I'm surprised that no mention is made of the changes in the music industry, along with the listening habits moving from radio/MTV to streaming. That's the biggest change. Today you have to work hard to find the good stuff, but it's there. I'm 65 and still performing original rock/metal/fusion. I was never influenced by the "culture" surrounding particular music genres, or by trying to piss my parents off with the music I listened to. I actually disliked the bands that used shock and spectacle as a replacement for good songwriting. I was listening to Beatles before I went to kindergarten, then classical music, then Hendrix and Mountain. In the 70's Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, and Zappa. New Wave and Stevie ray in the 80s. In the '00s Mastodon and Children of Bodom. Today I won't pass up a chance to see a good jam band or Cannibal Corpse. I never cared about a breakthrough "style" or genre; I just wanted tohear great musicians doing something original. And it hasn't all been done yet. Pop musicians just stopped trying to be original because record labels didn't want original. Thank God record labels will soon be as dead as dinosaurs.
I heard Nirvana on my local classic rock station and it literally hurt my soul. Am I this old now?
LOL, I felt that way when I heard Nirvana being played over the loud speakers while doing my grocery shopping.
@@captainthunderbolt7541 Yes. Nirvana is as old to today's high schoolers as The Beatles were to me as a high schooler.
Nirvana were already classic rock a decade ago
I fist heard them on a classic rock station a few years back.
To be fair fountains of Wayne was always dad rock
Stacey’s Mom would disagree.
35, married, work in finance, have a mortgage… still wear checked vans every day.
Some people find "dad rock" to be a negative connotation, but it's not supposed to be. Dave Grohl fully embraced the "dad rock" label that Foo Fighters has now
This dad feels exceptionally privileged to have been late teen/early 20’s during arrival and prime of Pantera. CFH show in a bar was gold!
It's not only this generation that is going through "Dad Rock"
I specifically remember it happening around 1991 or so when I was in junior high everyone was going through their parents vinyls Play led Zeppelin ACDC heart Queen deep purple Black Sabbath Ozzy Fleetwood Mac and the doors I specifically remember thinking to myself " I can't believe we're all listening to our parents music and it's great"
Also we did not have the technology and social media that we have today for everyone to share what they were listening to
I can confirm as I did this myself lol. I'm 46 so maybe 1992-93 I also listened to dio constantly in elementary school.
Great music is just great regardless of when it was made.
When songs that were new when I was in high school are now on the classic rock station (does anyone even listen to the radio anymore?), it's officially dad rock.
It's fascinating to me how the concepts "pissing people off" and "challenging the status quo" have become totally conflated for so many.
The wild thing is kids are also listening to the older bands. This is my first year teaching 9th grade. And almost everytime a student asks me if I like an artist/band, its one that peaked at least 15 years ago lol. Lots of nu metal, grunge, butt rock and emo love it seems lol.
Snoop Dog doing a Migos impression has to be my favorite genre of music ever
yep - great analysis - I remember making fun of "freedom rock" as something for old guys (I was a teen in the 1980s) - now I may order a copy because it's so cool!
Plot twist, youth culture was always defanged. Rock music is a psyop.
A very interesting topic; I think you shared some great insights about it!
I kinda think the best thing rock and metal can do now is focus on writing good songs, cause good songs seem to transcend genre and have longer staying power.
Cruel Curses is a local band in Florida doing some awesome stuff. They have a 36 minute single called Fables, Folklore that doesn't repeat or have "chorus" or stuff like that. They have regular songs too but they're one of the few that I feel isn't just following a formula.
Something to consider is the recent trend of “genre blends” like you Lil Peep was mentioned. From what I’ve seen this has been becoming more popular (which to me shows the tremendous influence of rock). You have Hardy over in the country scene making waves with his rock influence on The Mocking Bird & The Crow. You also have EDM artists who are incorporating rock into their music. I love what Sullivan King and Excision are doing and just yesterday Marshmello and SVDDEN DEATH released a collab EP that blends EDM and rock and even collab with rock artists such as Crown the Empire.
You also have Hyperpop which in Spotify is starting to have mini success with a few different artists.
Jazz had the same life cycle.
The way I see school bands covering Rage Against The Machine now reminds me of how we were taught the music of Duke Ellington or Charlie Parker back in the 90s.
I think culture is too fractured due to easy media accessibility to have a new mainstream music. Part of the reason there was "alternative" music was that there wasn't so many ways to get your stuff out to your audience, just a few radio stations and record stores. I think you can become rich and "famous" with music without the mass audience knowing who you are
Take Tom McDonald for example. As shocking and polarizing as he can be to some people, he has made a boatload of "top billboard singles" and money, while being virtually unknown to the average radio/ mainstream listener. This kind of success was unthinkable 20+ years ago.
I'm 33 yo and I grew up with Nü Metal. I still listen to Korn and Limp Bizkit every day. But I also listen to Sinatra, Whitney Houston, Aaliyah, Elvis, Guns, Blink, Slipknot, Nirvana, DMX, Nas, Wu-Tang, TLC, Aguilera, Eminem, and several other legendary acts, exactly the same way teenagers nowadays also listen to Nü Metal and 90s Gangsta Rap. Because great music is and always will be timeless 🎶♾️
All you had to say was you listen to rock and rap/rnb
I feel that as you grow older your taste in music grows with you! I feel that you become more willing to give other genres a chance! I listen to all kinds of music, from Sepultura to The Kinks, Guns N Roses to ABBA! I just LOVE music!!
@Siciliancivilian I don't think Sinatra, Korn, Aguilera, and Whitney Houston are Rock, Rap or R&B. Some people may not like certain genres, but I think everyone likes great music. That's the one category in which all these artists belong to 👌
@@Nu.Metal.Kid.99 ⚠ATTENTION SEEKER ALERT⚠
@@Nu.Metal.Kid.99same here man..
I think new music industry state is the reason the music is dying. And there is no matter that genre you can choose: rock, hip-hop and etc - the commercialisation of the industry and monopolizing of the routes of transition media (streaming, downloading services, music shops) is going to slowly devostate the music as art. And modern music industy gonna transfert the creation of art (particulary, the music) to the entertaiment content excluding educational essence of the music form of art.
In my country there's this radio station that used to put music from the past and then one random day they put blink 182 and i was not ready fot that, then i realized that enema of state is almost 25 years old.
The problem is with a supposed "culture" that considers "Dad" anything as a negative. Instead of shitting on and dismissing those things that were valued by dads and grand dads etc... those are the very things a strong healthy culture should hold in esteem and respect, it's the the disposable shallow attitudes that flourish today that should be seen as contemptible garbage.
I’m 45, no interest in being a dad, or having a dad bod 😂
Same here.
I can get behind that. Nobody really wants a dad bod though, it simply happens by itself because of either being lazy or working like a dog. If you have the energy to go to the gym (or work out at home) then you may as well put that energy into making money. The exception is people that don't have to work for a living.
No idea what the appeal is of having kids. It's inevitably a big expensive disappointment. Most people will not have three PhDs and a 12,000 square foot mansion, but ESPECIALLY not people who are so simple minded that they think having kids is the ultimate life achievement.
@@devilsoffspring5519 I hate to tell you but according to nature, reproducing is the point of life.
I still totally understand your pov.
@@devilsoffspring5519 As long as I have enough money to live comfortably I'd rather put spare energy into working out than making even more money. People who just keep working and working and working at the expense of their fitness and health are making a bad choice. Totally agree about having kids though. Overrated.
Nothing wrong with that but there is also nothing wrong with being a dad.
A lot of my young friends (like 20 years younger) are getting into my dad rock, and I love it. Although, I'm very much into the grandpa rock, which they, too, are slowly getting into.
I was listening to All Time Low in the car and my 7yo daughter said to me, "This is such dad music." So, here we are, lol.
I know it's not hardcore but when deathcore bands came out that stopped with the whole corny melodeath influence and went for being almost nothing but breakdowns (I Declare War and Oceano to name the two biggest examples) I swear I seen a fight happen at every single show that i attended that either of them performed at. The first time i saw IDW was the most fights in a single set ive ever seen, there was a new fist fight for almost every song. i think kids were getting kicked out every five minutes. this was like back in 2012 when IDW were at their peak, and all i remember is when another fight happened Jamie Hanks was like "I WANT MORE I WANT MORE VIOLENCE", i think the fact that the venue was small didnt help to stop that aggression either since everyone was barely elbow room next to each other the entire time
Lol one of the better concert fights I've seen just happened last summer.... At an Oceano show 🤣😂🤣😂
The simple answer is there are no top 100 rock bands anymore. Every single person on the top 100 is a solo act. And MGK doesn't count. He is still a solo act.
I guess the hardest thing for a lot of people to wrap their head around is the difference between "music as art" vs. "music as fashion". Pissing off parents is just "music as fashion". Even when Marilyn Manson was making parents mad, a lot of kids were still listening to Jimi Hendrix even though those songs were recorded 30 years prior. Good music will always be good music. "Shocking music" will only sometimes be good music. Calling it "Dad Rock" as a way of calling it old is just silly.
Really interesting take, always a goot time watching your videos.
Portal...they are the most original metal band pushing the limits of the genre farther than anyone knew was possible
About the lack of fresh trends and directions: We're perhaps biased to think in terms of the 20th century, during which culture kept transforming extremely quickly, every decade being different from the previous one. But if you look at the history of humanity, such rapid transformations are actually pretty rare (they were obviously fueled by the incredible technological progress). Cultures had always been evolving and changing, but those changes often took decades to manifest, sometimes even centuries. So maybe what we're seeing is just things slowing down again. Perhaps the next major shift doesn't come in the next 10 years, but 30 years...
Yes. What you say makes a lot of sense.
I'm with Ray Kurzweil and think it's the other way around. The history of life is a process of accelerating returns. Those decades long cultural epochs that happened every decade in meatspace, happen every year or month in cyberspace.
I think it's other way, changes go faster, but mainstream culture is in hands of huge corporations now playing it safe. As well younger people can now comparetively spend less, so corpos target richer older folks with safe and similar things. Now everything new goes to its niche and rarely gets even close to mainstream.
Loved the parallel you made in comparison with history of art men 🔥
You couldn't say the best.
Good stuff as always dude!
Love how you literally went from zero to “Turnstile in Taco Bell ads” no middle ground I’m here for it.
Case and point, my 11 year old’s favorite band is Primus. He says new music sucks and nobody can play well anymore. He plays bass for at least three hours a day. Music may be dead now, but it won’t be forever.
It happens in waves, music not only comes and goes in style/sound but also in the enthusiasm that people have for it. Social media has kind of displaced music as people's "traveling companion" in life--it's a sign of the times.
Smart kid
Your son is cool
Kinda sad that rock is going to die like jazz people making rules on what is good or bad music
@@thatonetroll1059 I don’t know if it’s people making rules as much as it is the simple fact that the nostalgia band tours are crazy popular and we don’t see much for a new scene. There are of course a few exceptions. Just discovered this new band called Schubmodul and they kick ass.
At 57 I laugh at 40 somethings being shocked that their edgy music from their 20s is Dad rock to teenagers today. Every generation ages bro, if you’re lucky enough to live long enough to become Dad aged.
Haha Blink really is Dad Rock now. Just the other day I freaked out with my eight year old son listening to the song „Dance with me“. Man time flys…
This is nonsense. Dad Rock was a pejorative term for a certain type of mainstream rock / soft rock from the seventies and early eighties, not a blanket term for all rock being listed to by dads. Nobody ever called the Sex Pistols dad rock back then, even though they came from the same time period. The idea that hardcore is now dad rock is ridiculous.
One of the most intelligent, humble and fair music commentators on youtube (and beyond). Talks absolute sense in easy-to-follow points with excellent editing and sublime clip choices. Quality content.
I'm sure it's deeper, but essentially, if you grew up listening to it as a kid/teen, and now find yourself pushing 40, it's Dad Rock.
Rock in general as a musical genre is basically Dad Music. Sure, there are still the equivalent of hipster kids who listen to it, and yes, there are still musicians/bands in their early/mid 20s writing music that is clearly influenced by the music preceding them by a full generation (Dad Rock), but it's more of a retro throwback type of thing than some evolution of the genre.
Making money as a new artist has become a lot harder since streaming took over and the record stores died. It's become harder to stand out, I've heard. People have access to entire catalogs of music.
im surprised you didn't talk about jazz at all, right now is an EXCELLENT time to be a jazz/jamband fan so many newcomers to the scene!
Jazz and jambands don't hold a candle to the reach that is rock and metal. Might as well talk about your favorite horse and jockey to people who consider themselves sports fans.
I have a ton of respect for Jazz players, especially as a drummer. I was exposed to it as a kid quite a bit, loved the classic Miles Davis and Coltrane records especially. And hey, I listen to metal and punk more than anything. I like to think that an open and diverse ear yearns more potential for originality when it comes to writing music. A fanatical base of fans is always great for music scenes, but personally, I don't give as much of a priority if there is little to no substance or if everything starts to sound the same. Also, you can find good examples of Jazz elements seeping into metal and punk, it's not unheard of.
Dawg stop calling Turnstile hardcore 😂 if you grew up with hardcore you should know better, they're literally Coldplay or The Fray just with a D-beat. That's not hardcore.
Also while you're at it *STOP CALLING SLEEP TOKEN "METAL" TOO*
New music has kinda been sucking. This is why these older bands are still killing it.
In the 70's, the oldies radio stations played Sha Na Na and The Beach Boys. Once I heard that same station playing Prince and The Police, I knew that I was 'the old man in the room'.
Any excuse to talk about emo rap 😂
It isn't dad rock unless it was dad rock when it came out. Music that was marketed to and popular with young people in its day doesn't count as dad rock, no matter how many nostalgic dads still listen to it. That isn't how genres work. There's a little more to it than just the passage of time and taking the name literally. True dad rock has to be music that was dad rock the whole time. Steely Dan, Phil Collins, REM, or these days stuff like The War On Drugs. You can find dads who listen to the Black Eyed Peas, they're never going to be dad rock.
If Korn and Slipknot are "Dad Rock" now then I guess Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones must have moved on to "Grandpa Rock" as a lot of dads today listened to the latter through their dads.
Definitely agree on Steely Dan, Collins, etc. embodying the genuine Dad Rock vibe. Though I think The National might take the cake for the most Dad Rock looking band of all time.
Not gonna lie I reread my comment and I sound like a fucking nerd holy shit. I'm not wrong tho.
The way things are going, we might be the last generation to have Dad Rock.
And yet...we've never seen talented (metal) guitarists and drummers like we see emerging on RUclips/social media currently. Mostly under the age of 20. Let's hope some of them can write catch riffs or develop something new.
They seem more concerned about showing off their skills than anything else. Sometimes you hear them and are amazed by their skill, but it's either someone else's song they're playing or no song at all, just a riff or scales. Not judging. They're amazing! But personally I rather hear a new song even if whoever wrote it does not have a perfect technique.
Referring to a penalty from RUclips as "getting blocked" was the video's most Dad moment 🤦
When I first saw you talking about the Now that's what I called dad rock album, I honestly thought it was like a parody. Like a SNL skit or something. Nope, apparently it's a real thing. We're getting old.
Great video Finn.
If blink-182 and the Killers are already considered "dad rock", I don't even want to know what bands like REM or the Replacements equal to
Granddad rock probably
The ancestors?
Boomer rock I'd call them.
You cannot be edgy anymore with all the political correction surrounding media nowadays
Things can't continue to evolve forever, eventually there has to be a final form. Maybe we have reached that with rock music.
Great video!
About no generation liking the previous generations songs, there is one exception I can think of. The Beatles. I remember when the Beatles Anthology came out. Me and my friends were really excited for it.
I simply think the saddest thing is that the concept of "it's all been done before" keeps new people from making anything. It' so much easier to listen to "nostalgia" and "what works" than it is to try and put yourself out there and try to make something that could come off as "cringe". Band culture, in any form, shouldn't end. Nothing needs to push a boundary, people just need to enjoy the music...making it...sharing it...being the culture.
Now, that being said, I doubt anyone cares, but I would find it utterly hilarious and awesome if someone would go through the weird crap we do (purely for the music) and tell us honestly, hate or love, what they think. That's also what makes the new culture, but what do we know.
we now live in a singles world. the reason that every big rock festival is full of legacy bands is because they're (for the most part) the only artists who have a body of work that can carry a show. HipHop artists are more prolific in how much they release and they still make albums. Your average rapper who's been on the scene for a couple of years usually has a much larger back catalogue than that of an equivalent rock band.
a single makes you like a band - but an album to support it makes you LOVE a band. there's still great rock songs coming out but people are less inclined to spend 200+ bones on a ticket to see that band with that one song that they like off tiktok. Bands used to tour to promote albums - but you can't tour to promote a song. Though he's a tool - Ronnie radke gets the best of both worlds. he releases a single now and people like it - but he can still tour because he has a body of work to back that single up. 10 years ago if a band wanted to make money/success they couldn't do it by having a viral song on social media, they had to tour because record companies suck and touring was the only way to make money - so you need a body of work that supports a show.
Single-culture is great for making a quick buck off a viral song - but this landscape doesn't foster longevity for relevance and popularity because there's simply NOT ENOUGH to really fall in love with. it's no surprise that kids who like rock music end up liking legacy bands because there's actually enough meat on the bone to satiate the proverbial hunger.
The main thing is who really wants rock to be the next jazz