Was this a good start? - What If Episode 1 Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- We are back to review Marvel’s What if Episode 1, What If… Captain Carter Were The First Avenger? Here we talk easter eggs, references, nods to Captain Britain, Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness with Shuma-Gorath, Hydra Stomper and more! Plus we get into whether Peggy Carter’s Captain Carter should make her way over to the live action MCU films. Thanks for watching!
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Maso had someone else do his voice for this episode just like Steve Rogers
Brilliant 😂
I felt like he was being held at gunpoint.
There's a lot pointing to him not being real Maso, including the fact that he calls the movie "Captain America the First Avengers"
@@chrisdemetriou8593 I love the conspiracy theories
Agreed….sounds really strange
I hope James didn't spend too much on the Mason voice actor for this video.
I can't believe he got Ross Marquand to play Maso. The blokes a true voice virtuoso
its totally Maso, but it sounds just wrong enough that it also sounds like someone pretending to be Maso
This is how Nick would sound if he ever had to ADR his lines.
Sounds like they might have done this over Zoom or some such. Not surprising given lockdowns & how quick they got this up.
But a RUclips video is like a movie with an unlimited budget…
The Watcher: "I am the Watcher. I observe all that transpires here. And I do not, can not, will not interfere. But knowing that at any moment I could interfere, but knowing I never will. But I could. Never isn't the right word because I could, and I might. And I probably will. "
“...Find out next week. Or maybe not.”
He's gonna move lots of chairs.
Always love an It’s Always Sunny reference.
Because of the implication.
If there’s one thing to say about The Watcher, it’s that when he says he can’t interfere…he’s going to interfere.
I think this whole episode was just to set up the joke of Bucky saying, “Thanks, you almost ripped my arm off!”
I really wanted Steve Rogers to get Winter Soldiered as the ending. The What Ifs I've read as a kid often had that "Oh shit" ending, where it seems to resolve but there's an uncomfortable detail left hanging
Maybe Peggy returning to her world 70 years after was supposed to be that kind of ending. To realize everyone she knew is probably dead is an "oh shit" for her, surely.
Was expecting I'm to turn into the crimson dynamo
@@javierperezgarrido893 Yeah. But I feel the audience expected that. Since that's basically what happen to Steve in the original time line.
By now all the other episodes have had that "oh shit" ending
lets hope there will be a sequel to this in which he does but instead of turning him into the winter soldier turn him into...captain hydra.
Man the editor did a great job of editing out the sound of the wind tunnel Mason was recording in
Why does it sound like Mason is the next door neighbor and yelling from across the fence?
They must have been chatting online so they weren’t in the same room
I was thinking the same thing
😂
glad I wasn't the only one😂😂
And like he's got half a pound of phlegm in his throat
Hindsight being 20/20, I think it would’ve been neat if Steve wasn’t recovered after the train explosion. So that if they ever revisit capt Carter he could take bucky’s role as a Russian agent. He could even be trapped in a suit and be that universe’s Crimson Dynamo.
Oh not just you. Though the same thing. Could've been cool to see a second episode that's a spin off of Winter Soldier where it's Peggy vs. Steve.
No idea who /what Crimson Dynamo is, but Steve as a more Iron Manesque Winter Soldier does sound cool. To reiterate though, like you and the Sunday Movies Boyz, I thought Steve was a gonner on the train for wintry reasons.
@@Mr.NiceUK Crimson Dynamo is typically an Iron Man villain. And the original Crimson Dynamo was actually used to be Whiplash in Iron Man 2 for some reason.
@@jcore0981 Actually, Crimson Dynamo is Whiplash's father in Iron Man 2
@@MrMiguel4687 Oh well nvm😂. That was all the trivia I thought I had on Crimson Dynamo.
Having the Hydra Stomper be powered by the Tesseract was a stroke of genius. It fixes the arc reactor problem and allows us to have "Iron Man" in the 40s. And the repulsers be replaced by Tesseract lightning was super cool, even if just a fairly small detail.
See, I didn't like that. The whole plot of the MCU films was to gain and secure the Tesseract in order to harness the energy for use in concept weaponry. Now they just put it in a big robot and send it to their enemy. Surprised they didn't wrap Steve in a big bow with a card reading "For Hydra, lots of love"
@@FutureDeep That was SHIELD’s goal in the 21st century after Captain Marvel revealed the existence of aliens and then especially after Loki sent that centurion thing to Earth. SHIELD wanted to harness its energy for weapons specifically as a defense against otherworldly threats. Also, Hydra had infiltrated SHIELD by that point, so they were probably the ones that were really pushing for it. In the 40s though, it’s just the regular U.S. military and they’ve only really just found out about the Tesseract, so giving it to Stark and seeing what he can do with it makes perfect sense.
Wait what's the arc reactor problem?
@@aspacelex The arc reactor is a handful of parts, the size of a fist, assembled in a cave, that delivers a virtually unlimited amount of power. It takes a lot of suspension of disbelief in 2008, but a whole lot more in 1942. But by using the Tesseract instead, you're using something that is "magic" and already established as being a virtually unlimited power source, before splitting the atom was even a possibility.
It was interesting that the Red Skull actually used the Tesseract for its space-stone powers rather than just as a giant battery as he did in The First Avenger
Yeah it fits way better that way considering what it is. That always annoyed me. It would be like if lokis scepter didn't control peoples minds but still turned out to be the mind stone.
He didn't have the time to R&D the tesseract powered weapons
Yeah, I took that as being a direct result of its early theft--without the tesseract OR his little science gremlin, all he could do was research the carvings that spell out how to open a world-ending portal. Bigger question is: Why did Odin leave instructions on how to open a world-ending portal carved into the same wall where he hid the tesseract?
@Ash Correll didn't scientists from Nazi Germany help get America to the moon?
The dumb thing is he had no idea it had Portal capabilities
It's got to be gratifying for Haley Atwell that with all the powerful heroes and magic and super science in the MCU, Peggy Carter has carved out such a devoted fanbase more or less on the back of how unbelievably charming and engaging she is as the character.
@@PeachBoi_Real “pandering?” Lmao. Really? Does a female lead really burn you enough to be pissed at this show and think it’s pandering? The show was fine and I know a lot of people who liked it, the person who left this comment clearly did as well. Let them leave their thought and take you and your toxic ass to the shadow realm where you belong
@@PeachBoi_Real Carter show was removed because of low ratings; that the ABC peeps were like nah, don't keep it going past Season 2, sure.
Also keep in mind that Marvel Television and Marvel Studios were not spearheaded by the same person or team.
So they were always "soft canon" if canon at all and they being Marvel shows (Netflix, ABC, Freeform/Family and Hulu).
If by pandering you mean putting Atwell back in the role because she has a clear following/support from MCU enthusiasts, sure!
The TV ratings system in the US is weird in that a show might generate lots of "word of mouth support" online/elsewhere but simply isn't reflected by those actually participating in the feedback system (see also Fresh off the Boat) hence why you'll see a show get axed for "low ratings."
If by pandering you're implying something else...I'm not sure it's worth stoking that whistle.
Agent Carter Season 1 is soooo gooood, and 2 is ok, and I LOVE HALEY ATWELL SO MUCH
The ratings were low most likely because people didn't even know the show existed and peoppe had to watch it on th didnt they? No disney plus back then. They did a terrible job advertising it. Especially because there basically weren't mcu connected shows so people didn't expect it to exist.
If they made it now it would get more viewers. They could probably push it more on Disney plus now people are watching mcu shows
@@PeachBoi_Real You can talk about pandering when your favorite side character in the mcu gets a tv show
Why does Maso sound like he's doing a weather report in the midst of a storm?
I think they're still in Lockdown, so this was the best they could do....
@@deveshsood6087 no they still meet when there in lockdown, I think he had to work
@@teddy-fl6hm he also just got the second dose of the vaccine so he could be feeling rough
Best comment hahaha
I was about to ask the exact same question. Haha
every scene was so fast-paced it felt like the entire episode was a just a montage.
Yeah true.. but it’s a short small “What If…” episode hahaha what did you expect
I’m glad that someone else thought that the pacing felt off
@Skankhunt42 this was essentially a retelling of a full film condensed into 30 minutes, not an entirely original story that can be written to whatever length you want.
@Skankhunt42 ok but that's the reason behind the pacing, I liked it although I do hope the others are more original stories which I think they will be, the rest of the scenarios we've seen dont look like they could really tie in with other movies quite so directly
Thats how the old What If... comics were structured.
Interesting that Steve didn’t touch Peggy’s chest when she came out of the vita-ray chamber.
Well he was shot twice with a pistol just seconds before and knowing how scrawny he was I'm surprised he survived
In an alternative universe he did....
@@mandalor-8315 What if ... steve did? In this universe we are going to explore that...
@@sharkawy1998 I mean, it was the '40s, I'm pretty he'd have got away with it, just like Peggy did in the prime universe. 😉
Or she would’ve punched him with super strength and he does
Why does Mason sound like James locked him in an closet for this recording
I think he finally rolled down to the bottom of the hill, so now he has to shout cos he's so far away.
I think Maso is a vampire and he's drunk some of Andy Matthews blood and it's affected his voice.
He probably recorded it in a pocket dimension sound studio.
They've been making Tom Cruise look taller for decades. I think Hayley Atwell would be no problem. lol
Theyre even the same height so it would be even easier just use his stools
Even rdj he wears plat form shoes on set
@@andylgarcia Well... she IS in the latest Mission Impossible movie with him...
@@andylgarcia He's actually 5'4". His "official" height is 5'7" but it's an open secret that he wears a combination of lifts and platform shoes (the kind designed to hide the fact that they aren't normal shoes). So with the same kind of wardrobe tricks she could easily get to 5'9", 5'10" even before they start doing camera/perspective tricks. Or CGI.
You don't have to take my word for it, but I've seen an old casting photo of Mr. Cruise from before he was famous. It was once common for casting departments to prominently display photos of people who ended up "'making it" and becoming famous. There were height markers on the wall behind him and let's just say he would have had to get something like an expensive bone lengthening operation for anything even close to his official height to be true. He probably has, because I remember it being under 5'4"…
@@FordFourD-aka-Ford4D To anyone reading this, it's bull. Tom Cruise is about 5'7". Short but not that short.
Why does Maso sound like someone else doing a really good impression of Maso?
This is a What If?
Josh Keaton is just that good.
Isnt his name Mason?
@@ericrutherford7761 Yeah but everyone calls him Maso as short
I think we're gonna see tentacles all throughout this series, big tentacly boys wreckin' up the place, snatchin' up everyone's sandwiches
Waaaa noes, not my sandwiches :(
@@andyhannon255 get a bigger sandwich and you'll be fine.
Hey, get outta my sandwich
snatchin' up everyone's sandwiches, whippin' everyone around the room, yanking doo-dads about, shoving their tentacles right up everyone- [The Rest of this Comment Has Been Censored for the Good of Humanity]
@@TechnologicallyTechnical Thank you for censoring the rest I was very afraid
1:21
That transition from the portal was so clean. I noticed, Collings, don't you worry.
When Red Skull talked about summoning "a champion from another realm" I thought for SURE it was gonna be Thor (something similar happened in the comics - the Nazis convinced Thor they were the good guys and Cap had to fight him). It's my fault but I was so upset when it was tEnTicLeS
I thought the metal trinket was gonna be mjolnir
It's your fault 🤷🏾♂️😂
Honestly my first impression was they were about to summon the giant metal suit enemy from the first Thor movie, blanking on his name.
@@doctorecho3007 Destroyer
That was the absolute worst thing about this episode. They had the chance to use literally any Marvel character and it was just generic tentacles, not even Shuma Gorath.
Glad I wasn’t the only one confused by Mason’s voice. I figured they couldn’t get him back for What If and Josh Keaton was doing an impression.
Been a strange week for Starfish monsters hasn't it.
I guess tentacle hentai has really gotten its foot in the door in the mainstream film industry
Don’t you mean tentacle in the door?
@@TechnologicallyTechnical good
squid and starfish are completely different
@@yankeesrule587 you've seen one boneless, prehensile appendage, you've seen 'em all.
Did Maso record his audio from the same dimension Peggy got pulled into? That's dedication.
If you listen closely, you can hear the tentacle hentai.
That scene in the air with her and the Hyrdra-Stomper is probably the best indicator of the potential for animated shows/movies should Marvel Studios choose to do more projects like this. That whole sequence blew me away.
I didn't like that it was essentially a retelling of the first Cap film but with roles switched. The comics would always show things going in a different direction. This felt semi pointless.
Agreed. A lot of "What Ifs" were also pointless. But with the benefit of decades of hindsight, they really should've figured out how to do a cool one.
Says a lot that they couldn't think of something more creative than "Give Peggy the super-powers!"
This whole series is pointless, idk why they decided to make it honestly
I disagree. I think the episode was a lot more than the roles switched, there was never an Iron Man- like armour, in general the escapades of the “cap” were quite different in choreography and were more successful (with homages to the first film of course) hell the ending was pretty different and the shield never touched the ice. I don’t think it was pointless as captain Carter is confirmed to be appearing in other episodes and in season 2 but I do see what you’re saying and the comics do have a similar problem (especially with punisher, whenever something happens so that Frank Castle doesn’t become the punisher he ends up becoming the punisher at the end of the story anyway) however I think it was a deliberate decision to sort of warm general audiences up to this sort of thing.
You know what's worse, apart from the super serum apparently inflating Peggy's tit's and reducing her intelligence. Now Steve Roger's has to rescue her, at least in the movie the 'unpowered' Peggy didn't need rescuing. Plus I'll add the animation looked cheap and voices sounded out of sync a few times and the audio was just bland. I am really really disappointed with the content Marvel is offering on Disney+.
@@jaxr2958 the animation seemed cheap? The motion was very dynamic and fluid, particularly during the fights.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one confused about how the Red Skull got the Tesseract. I had to rewind the episode to figure it out.
Was it inside the Iron Stomper? I just guessed so, since there is no other way for Hydra to get the tesseract, right?
i was stumped at first, but then figured it out when Steves suit didnt have power or the blue lights
I would love to see Haley Atwell as a Live action Captain Carter. If they could find an effective way to make her 6ft5, as strong and as agile as she appears in this then go for it I say. The bar has been set quite high as I absolutely love her portrayal in this.
It's 2am in the U.K., I was about to sleep but guess I'm watching this now
Same, but I can’t sleep so I’m watching this haha
Damn. Great minds think alike
Same.lol
Same from UK
Haha, you are in Captain Carter’s Homeland.
Honourable mention: Dum Dum is voiced by original actor Neil McDonough. Just wanted to mention because I think he’s a great and underused actor!
he went to my High School - never in my time but I did meet him twice were I worked in Hyannis ;)
And they did a good job making him look like a blend of Neal from the movie and Dum Dum from the comics. With those piercing baby blues.
Currahee!
Also, Bucky tells Steve "we can't do this all day" when the Hydra Stomper falls out of the generator.
Really it's unhealthy to "Do this all Day" worst message Steve ever gave.
"We don't have all day"
He said
@@applepie1272 "We don't have all day, but for the amount of day that we do have, we can do this for all of it"
@@li-limandragon9287 you're just interpreting it in a weird way. The point is, when faced with a challenge, he is willing to lay down his life and push as hard as he can to defeat it; ie, battling all day.
It doesn't mean "lmao never stop working guys; never take breaks". However you are interpreting it is just not the way it is meant. Unless you think he should just give up in a battle for the universe.
@@awesomedavid2012 I know I’m just joshing still, try not to do something all day it’ll make you faint
I didnt love it honestly I thought it just didnt do enough with the premise. If the question is how would things be different if Peggy Carter was captain America? The answer the show gives us is mostly not a whole lot different. I also thought the voice acting wasnt very good alot of the actors were barely recognizable. I'm not sure if it's a writing or performance problem but other than Captain Carter alot the dialogue was just bad
I’m totally cool with this series being a “thin” action-packed series. We’ve had 3 big MCU shows and 2 of those were major mind-benders and all were emotional rides. So this one saying “hey let’s have some cartoon fun with variants!” is totally fine by me.
Agreed! Following up Loki with something MORE incredible than that, just not gonna happen that fast. They can drop some goofy shit for a while.
Lets have the variant called a good story. Marvel still lags far behind DC Animation in terms of quality ...cant get into the characters ... good thing the animation, Evans should've returned .. this was ok.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 DC animation has been shit for 15 years.
@@lleroux4979 light years ahead of ANY THING Marvel has ever done. Justice League Doom, All-StarvSuperman, Batman:The Dark Knight Returns, Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox , Batman: Under the Red Hood, Suprrman Red Son. Marvel got nothing
Justice League: The New Frontier?
Name ONE marvel animated feature?!
That’s what I thought
I have a feeling that this show will get progressively more mind blowing, but it makes sense to start off with a relatively simple idea, ie what if Peggy took Steve’s place, in order to ease the audience into the multiverse
Everyone watching the show: *serious theories and opinions*
My dumb brain: "Me like tall stronk woman yes"
Tall stronk woman always good
Snu snu
Captain Carter and Lady Dimitrescu confirmed for Marvel Vs Capcom 4
@@MegaManXPoweredUp Don't do that
Don't give me hope
@@MegaManXPoweredUp I can't believe that's sort of possible.
This is definitely how maso hears himself when he listens to recordings
Hahahaahahahah
Isn’t his name Mason?
@@ericrutherford7761 Nick (Maso) Mason
Just a couple of inconsistencies for me:
Howard Stark can build a WW2 era Iron Man suit, yet he struggles to make a flying car?
And Steve getting the shield was an organic thing for him, he held his first shield promoting the war effort and became attached to it, the only reason Howard starting making prototype shields is because he noticed Steve's attachment to it.
Otherwise I really liked this episode, can't wait to see what's next!
But the Hydra Stomper only worked because it used the Tesseract as a power source. Maybe his flying car would have worked if he’d had the Tesseract then
@@philcorrigan5641 Fair enough!
It was a little weak..I’ve read a bunch of What if’s and what usually made them cool is everything is so catastrophic.Like Spider-Man using salt instead of pepper somehow leads to everyone he ever loved dead
Yeah, some real twilight zone consequences type of stuff is what I remembered from reading them too. This is just...meh
I can see that happening, Spiderman has a shitty meal. And because he's frustrated, he punches someone important to hard and kills them and they send a death squad after him and his loved ones
That sounds stupid.
@@supermysticsonic2 No.
@@SpiderCop Yes, go argue with a wall.
Kinda sounds like Maso is recording his audio from another room so he has to yell at James so he can hear him
Yeh thought the same too
I noticed that too, sounds kinda like he's recording from inside a tin can. Maybe they had to record this one over discord and his home mic is not so great quality
Literally phoning it in
Yeah it sounds off? Haha
Apparently Australia is back in Lockdown so they couldn’t be together.
I wanted to see a scene at the end where Peggy calls herself “Captain Britain” and there you hear from off screen “Sorry Ma’am that name is taken.” and then the first MCU reveal of Captain Britain (Perhaps, Brain Braddock in 2000’s when she meets Fury maybe)
I wanted her to announce a new measuring device for feet, but only to have a cease and desist letter sent by Brannock Industry. Which of course would be a shell corporation for Hydra.
Personally I didn't mind it until the end. I would've liked more of a deviation where maybe Captain Carter makes it through and sticks in her own dimension/time. I expected a lot of elements to be similar to their stories throughout the fight with Hydra/Red Skull, but Peggy getting her own 'stuck in the ice' moment was where it gave me too much of a sense of 'same old, same old'.
I’m really excited for the episode “What if a pig was rolling down a hill”
Oh my god, they're putting Mason in the MCU??
I understood that reference
But are we ready for that?
I have to admit I found it kind of funny how the sexism that Peggy Carter suffered being sidelined had less of an impact because they also tried to sideline Steve in the original movie, for basically no reason.
They sidelined steve because he was just one man. Tommy Lee Jones wanted an army. A skinny kid got muscles. They didn’t have faith in him
@@Luke101 That's really more of an excuse than an explanation, after all if you have a super-soldier there is quite literally no reason not to use him. Especially when you consider the one use they do find for him is as ineffective war propaganda. Forget back then, imagine North Koreans going "We created a super soldier, he's faster, he's stronger, he's got more resilience and endurance, we've given him an indestructible shield; no we're not putting him on the frontlines and we don't know how to do it again." How do you think the rest of the world would react to that?
@@futurestoryteller in the movie the reason they was making him a symbol for America and putting him in a lot propaganda material. It was a homage to what they actually did with the character in the comics and product ads during WWII.
The Carter character being sidelined for sexism and Rogers being sidelined for propaganda material was written for completely different reasons and have nothing in common. But if your one of those people then you'll say otherwise.
@@tyrant7583 "One of those people" says it all really. But so does the fact that you just arbitrarily point out how these things are different as if that makes a point by itself.
I think we’ll see a lot of these characters in Multiverse of Madness - even if just briefly
So a lot even if it's not a lot?
Well there's still going to be a new Multiversal War. So I doubt they're only around for a couple movies, rather a series. Just like the original main cast. As its the MCM now.
Well they made the connection between the Tesseract and the Arc reactor explicit. That's kinda cool.
EDIT - I also like the call back to what used to be a legit limit to comic Ironman pre MCU, running out of power.
I do love the idea that given the power source to do so, Howard Stark would immediately jump to doing the exact same thing his son would do in building an absolute metal monstrosity weapon of mass destruction
pre MCU? Ironman runs out of power in the first MCU movie and is a factor in Avengers as well
@@92brunod Doesn't it also happen in Iron Man 3?
@@hamshankscps1049 Probably, I don't remember to be honest. The only real difference is that the suit in this episode is magically and unrealistically not only indestructible but impossible to even damage.
In the MCU Tony had to change suits because they were damaged before they ran out of power.
@@Finamajig remember the quote "I am limited by the technology of my time"? That's the first thing I thought of when he got the tesseract
Also, I believe she picked her shield way too fast because Howard Stark wasn’t even thinking
Of the circular iconic shield before Steve picked it out. My favorite part was the whole idea that this is like Marvel‘s Twilight Zone. And I love when Jeffrey Wright said “ that decision right there, is what changed this universe”. But what about the shield? It’s iconic. But it was just given to her but no explanation? They couldn’t have Steve say “i like this one”?
They did a tiny bit of build up to it in the scene that she was venting to steve about the General dude. She had at that point yeeted and kicked multiple round weighs into the wall.
You could tell Howard already had the plans for a Captain America shield BUT because the U.S. government refused her the opportunity to become Captain America Howard had the idea to have her become Captain Britain to which America couldn't protest. She's British...just change the shield. She British...just change the outfit...loopholes are rampant in American bureaucracy and if anyone can exploit that it's Howard.
We really didn't need those scenes you mentioned but we did need those kick ass action scenes. Peggy does the best parkour!
@@magnamic5614 that isnt what they were talking about. They were talking about the fact that in this reality stark just automatically went with the vibranium sheild whereas in the actual movie he isnt even considering it until steve picks it out.
@@jacobhargiss3839,
Fair enough but I still don’t think it holds that much more importance since Howard now picked it for Peggy. It really is no big deal. That situation with Steve makes Steve different, he’s a good judge of character even when it comes to his weapon. In this alternate reality Howard seemed destined to not let the experiment die because of a mans pride. Who’s to say Howard didn’t do a few quick test to determine the shield is the most effective for combat.
You’re all thinking about this WAY to hard trying to fill in every single hole just because you saw things happen one way.
In a multiverse, your way may never have occurred or had any importance to effect change at all. Steve was no longer experimented on so he never got to choose a shield. The next logical step would be Howard since he’s was the closest to the whole team left alive.
It’s really simple.
@@magnamic5614 I agree, it just would have been nice to have some scene on it since it is an iconic part of the character
Loving all the memes of Mason's audio sounding like he's in the car on a Bluetooth headset
I think the first two-third's of the episode were pretty good, but everything kinda fell flat when they breached the HYDRA base. Steve just laying next to the HYDRA stomper armor felt out of nowhere, since he should be locked up in a cell somewhere else or dead; Howard wearing his suit into battle and not something else, not even a helmet, felt like a cheap way to not change models; and Red Skull's end was anti-climatic.
I give it a 6-7/10. Not bad, but could've been better. Am looking forward to the rest, tho
I disagree with Red Skull’s end. It was funny, and he’d only been in like 3 scenes so whatever.
I was expecting rogers to be in the winter solider role but i guess not
@@malteaser Same here. I honestly said out loud while watching it confidently with my wife. So he gets a super soldier serum variant one way or the other becoming the Winter Soldier. Missed opportunity in my opinion. I found it odd that Bucky was not show much emotion when he fell to his supposed death on the train either.
@@hennagan99 I thought it was a missed opportunity too and as for Bucky being aloof....yeah he didn't seem that fussed about Steve's "death", I guess they weren't maybe as close friends in this universe? The whole "apparently I know him too?" gave me the vibe of Steve was like the friend your mum forced you to hang out with lol
@@malteaser ahhh I missed that part altogether.
I think another reason this was just OK is that we saw a lot of clips of this episode. So we basically knew what she'd look like, that Steve Rogers was going to get an iron man type suit and a giant squid type thing was going to attack. And that was basically the whole story, so there wasn't really any surprises to be had. I will say I'm super glad they didn't go with Steve being super jealous of Peggy
I didnt watch much of the trailers, but still felt like it was just ok since it didn't seem to have much importance or connection to anything....yet.
It repeated the same beats of the movie but the pacing didnt allow for the same amount of quality time with the characters.
Making Steve jealous would have been disastrous. It would have felt like bringing Steve down to lift Peggy up.
@@bw4348 yeah, I agree about Steve beigg jealous would be bad. I guess I had the whole Spider Gwen storyline in the back off my head. Haven't read it, but I heard in that version they made Peter Parker jealous of Gwen for having the powers or something like that. Thought they might have gone the same route for Steve
Ngl, when Bucky spoke, it’s like Sebastian Stan had never acted before
Right?!?
It’s almost as if voice acting is a completely different skill to regular acting 🤔
I'm not sure he has tbh.
Honestly, this is why some of the big hollywood actors not voicing on this was not a surprise to me and I actually kind of preferred it. It is a different discipline and people don't necessarily take to it instinctively. Not to mention the bigger you are the more likely you are to phone it in and hoover up half the budget anyway.
Anyone else notice that 80% of Bucky's lines were fish references?
"Hydra Stomper" looks inspired by Big Guy, from Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot (by Frank Miller & Geoff Darrow). I know it's obviously a play on Iron Monger, but the design looks a lot closer to big guy, and when he is flying, the resemblance is uncanny.
Man I loved the big guy and rusty cartoon
I am so glad I wasn't the only one who thought the same thing about the Sly Cooper video game cell animation, as well as noticing everyone caught on to it, and used it ever since.
I'm surprised you didn't talk about RDJ's height when talking about making Captain Carter bigger
Why would they?
@@bobson3014 I chuckled when he tries to seem as tall as the other Avangers on the red carpet!I think he uses 1½ inch shoe inlay to be just as tall as the others!
@@bernhardtsen74 Why would RDJ being short make you chuckle?
Also it would take more than 1½ inch shoe for him to look as tall as the Chrises which may be why he doesn't bother hiding his height.
Going to have to be that guy, however i felt it was really noticeable that the voices didn't sync well enough with the mouths, namely with Peggy. It shouldn't have annoyed me... but it did. A steady start. 6.5/10
"As of August 2021, Marvel net worth is around $5 billion through the figures might be higher."
Yet we get these really badly animated shows. It feels cheap..........DC animated still rocks the animation comic world.
So no it was not a great start for me.
I have the same complaint, 5/10
Likely not Shuma-Gorath, but a plain mindless Many Angled One. Shuma would have used telepathy to speak or would have taken control of someone to speak.
It's the actual hydra that Hydra is named after in the comics
@@Scripzure I thought a hydra had a bunch of heads, not tentacles
Could it be a different version of Hive? That was the tentacally monster the Hydra was trying to bring back from space in Agents of Shield
no probably not shuma gorath. they probably would have shown the giant eyeball instead of a big gaping multi-mouth at its center
@@Doug_Hannon yeah that's what I was thinking. A version of alveus
"Animation is like a movie, but its got unlimited budget"
Couldn't be further from the truth lol
Don’t have any more funding? Just draw more money!
@Anti Christ What?
Well it's not like you have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars building sets, and realistic CG work takes years longer than 2D animation, right? The point is that you can do way more for way cheaper with animated episodes as apose to live action :P
@@lewis17297 3D animation costs a lot of money tho
@@matt98785 and the artists likely never see enough of that money themselves for how many hours they have to invest. It's definitely more complex then "animation is cheaper"
This is already the peak of the series. You can't go uphill from
"Steve doesn't super soldier serum, but he receives a tall, strong GF and Iron Mech in return" like, c'mon
This episode felt like an episode of Agent Carter without Edwin Jarvis... which is to say less good
Well, there ain't no Winter Soldier in this story. Meaning Tony Stark's parents are still alive.
True!
They could’ve just gotten someone else to kill them :p
Bucky supposedly shot JFK, so that's another huge difference between timelines.
Bucky isnt the only assassin in marvel xd
I feel like we Steve’s suit was inspired by the costume he wore when he was paraded around by the government just to sell propaganda that he then claimed as a symbol of his identity and Stark based his suit and shield off of that. In this episode it seems like Peggy was already assumed to wear a Britain based suit (that fit her new physique by the way) with the shield already painted that way.
I would like to think that Steve helped to design the costume just like in The First Avenger were he gives to Howard Stark a piece of paper with some ideas for the WWII costume.
But you know, headcanon...
I agree. I would like to add a few of my thoughts regarding the shield. Steve naturally gravitated towards shields. Evidence of this is present in his pre-cap time, he often finds makeshift items to use. A shield would be Steve’s “preferred weapon,” for lack of a better term. It makes sense for his character. Peggy being an entirely different character should, at least in my thinking, have a different weapon of choice.
Howard mentioned when he gave her the suit and the shield that she was originally supposed to wear it during her USO tour, but he had adjusted it a bit.
@@ashleygibson2342 Definitely. Steve chose the shield from under the table, and I think Howard try to convince him to pick up something else. Why would Howard give that shield to Peggy?
@@tqlla Exactly! The shield is so iconic for Captain America because it’s an extension of himself. I don’t feel like it would be too off the wall to do that for Peggy’s character.
They need to just use this style to make a SECRET WARS series.... forget what if... they can really do something world dominating with this. New figures, games, merch all in this style with classic heroes.
Theyre making a secret wars series, not animated though
@@robertthangarajah8491 and this is why I should be the CEO of Disney...it would cost literally 3 billion dollars to use actors and CGI on a secret wars series... but having it animated would be cheaper and the action would look worlds better... Nobody can get it right or make the correct choices that is why they keep failing so hard and losing so much money. They just don't have the foresight or the vision on how to produce awesome content. I'm always ahead of the curve... I swear MCU would be defeated by a cartoon in Disneys hands if they did it correctly.
Not gonna lie, I would love a 6"2 Peggy Carter version of Captain Britain, just stomping around cutting people's heads off with Excalibur. But only if it's written by James and Maso. That is my only requirement and I will not back down on it.
For me, I don't like this kind of animation, it looks good and beautiful sometimes, but after watch Castlevania, I wish more 2D hand drawn animation, for me looks more amazing and epic in that way.
Yeah and Disney definitely has the money to do something like Castlevania
Never expected to hear about Sly Cooper in a Marvel video. Love it
16:24 She'd just "use those tricks" that RDJ uses: platform shoes.
Mason was huddled in front of his laptop for this one😂
I'd love to explore the wider impact of having Peggy be cap and saving the world back in 1945. I'd imagine that could change a lot in terms of politics etc. But I'm also happy with a wacky saturday morning cartoon.
tbh i think the main issue with episode one is that we didn't get to see the bigger impact of its events. The First Avenger plays out pretty much the same, just with a gender swap, but the real changes would happen in the modern day (Bucky wouldn't have became the Winter Soldier, Peggy's personality and beliefs might have changed Cap's actions throughout the overall storyline, etc.). Just seeing a retelling of the first Cap film wasn't that interesting IMO
Maybe they’ll revisit this universe in future episodes. Kinda like how Star Wars the Clone Wars had episodic arcs that were split up across multiple seasons.
She’s more than just made her place to join the MCU, she’s earned it. I mean, her character has always been consistent, Peggy’s well loved and she’s absolutely amazing
AGREED! Having Hailey back to voice her makes it even better😁🙌🙌
She put effort into her character, and she deserves this chance and opportunity.
I would prefer more Agent Carter, but I can get on board with more Captain Carter.
Wait, I thought Peggy Carter was in the MCU, or have I been watching something else?
Fun animation idea: a drawing of Mason talking
Simply groundbreaking!
Animation puppet
Unlimited budget
Draw millions of masons talking
I absolutely LOVE Amazonian Peggy, anything they do to keep her around is fine with me
It's Ma'am Peggy
I felt like Peggy was a totally different character. She felt sort of juvenile, yet she knew the technobable that Howard couldn't remember. Like, Peggy taking reveling in her powers so much didn't seem like her at all. Also, the actions scenes were well done, but she felt like Spider-Man level strong instead of Captain America strong, she fucking tanks a military truck full of guys and flips it over her head. It's cool, and maybe her not being ninty pounds before like Steve is what accounts for that, but it kind of took me out of it. Obviously it is a cartoon so saying it felt like a cartoon feels trite, but I think they want it to feel like the mcu movies rather than an episode of Teen Titans or something a bit let grounded.
I’m totally with you, like the MCU movies are obviously fantasy but the first captain America played everything pretty straight and I think there’s a argument to be made about her fighting being better than caps cuz she was an actual agent but I think this one really went over board on some parts
very juvenile... im out. honestly ive been allllmot done since that ps1 fight in black panther (the only black superhero ever, lol). i just pirate and skim. oh the snap... lame. oh loki is confused... lame. oh gender swap... im out. however, there are some really good fan cuts of some of this trash out there.
I agree with you too - I don’t think this was just a one to one substitution. They didn’t give the story enough credit. Really superficial read of the episode.
I mean Steve holds back a helecopter with his arms. Flipping a truck doesn't seem that much more crazy to me.
In Agent Carter she quips and beats people up a lot, given she hasn't lost Steve in this yet, makes sense she's a little cheerier?
When the Watcher interferes it’s basically a super fan trying to stop his favorite show from being changed.
The thing I’ve liked least is the pacing, it’s very weird because it wants to tell the same story as the movie just a lot shorter
Sounds like Mason wasn't lucky enough to be in the room during recording.
I feel like this series long term connections to the movies is going to be to establish the Watcher for when he shows up and to establish the different versions of characters that’ll blast through dimensional portals when this eventually culminates in a Secret Wars style multiversal battle. They might show up in other movies first like Multiverse of Madness or No Way Home but I think that’s where we’re headed
Weren’t the Watchers already in GOTG2?
@@Etticos. they were but just as an Easter egg
I grew up in the town of Street in the UK, home of Clarks shoes, the whole town was full of shoe shops and they used to try the kids shoes out on us when we were at school, the very mention of the Brannock Device made the sides of my feet tingle with memory. At last we have a voice in media due to the heroic efforts of Nick Masons. Brannock Bro shout out recieved!
I love how Dan Aykroyd is just sprinkled throughout
In the comics, the What If stories usually tend to be pretty tragic and I thought it would have gone in that direction if they had made this timeline’s Steve Rogers, the Winter Soldier and pit him against the woman he loved.
My only peeve is that these "What If's" imply that it doesn't matter who our heroes are, it's just their powers that make them heroes: which is the antithesis of most of the MCU movies where our protagonists struggle with who they are outside of the suit. I feel like the show should go out of it's way to show you why our Heroes are the true versions of their character and how much worse the world would be if it were not them that took up the mantle.
I love how they just killed Tommy Lee Jones for no reason other than they probably couldn’t afford to get him back
Probably because he respected Carter and by substituting the other guy they could create some conflict
They only had enough money for like 5 seconds for his likeness lol
Eh, if they really wanted the character they would have just cast someone else. Certainly didn't stop them from putting Steve Rogers in.
I work in a shoe store. That Brannock device joke was for me too
As an individual working at an Australian Sporting Goods store, i personally appreciated the reference to a Brannock Device. Jolly Good referencing from one Footwear Salesman to a Tram Driver who sounds like he is the reporter live at the scene!
Also if the series is saying that everything happened exactly the same up until the one point Peggy makes the decision to stand somewhere else for the experiment, doesn't that mean canonically howard stark already built a giant iron man suit he had no hopes of powering and then when he found the tesseract in the ocean he just decided to scrap the suit
he made the suit after they got the tesseract
@@monkeyman4113 damn he got that done quick
If you've watched Agent Carter, that seems entirely on brand for him. The building an entirely indestructible suit and just tossing it, and building it in a week both.
if you really want to read into it, it's probably likely that the idea of a mechanical suit of armor was bouncing around the collective imagination of the Starks for a while, but (in the main MCU) it wasn't until Ironman 1 brought with it a power source that would allow for its creation. If that's true then I'd find it likely that the idea was made as a blueprint or parts prototyped (remember that start Industry was an arms manufacturer, that sort of thing is their bread and butter), and when Howard got his hands on the Tessaract all he had to do was actually construct the thing, which would be easy considering the resources he had at his fingertips.
@@SimonBuchanNz fair enough, I guess Tony had to get the inspiration of building a whole ass suit and making it look like that, lad must have seen some doodles
Thank you, Collings!
Eyy all good Shearer cheers m8!!
It was so fast paced and rushed story-wise, i didn’t realise hydra took the tesseract back at some point - also why was the voice acting so bland
I understand why they wanted to use the mcu actors but you can tell there is no voice acting training at all so it just feels so off
how did you not realize that? its in the iron man suit and the blew him up in german territory, sorry they show relies on you using your brain?
The tesseract powering the Hydra Stomper is pretty obvious. Peggy gives Stark the cube, he says he knows what to do with it, he builds an Iron Man style suit, and when we first see it it's eyes and chest piece are glowing blue like the tesseract. And then when Hydra bombs the train, they capture the Hydra Stomper and take back the cube. Not that hard, man.
Voice acting is a unique and separate skill. Not all live action actors can make the switch.
@@danielschultz96
Why make your comment personal to a question about a show?
.. Were you involved in writing the episode, or perhaps one of the voice actors?
The Watcher first showed up in the pages of Fantastic Four #13, some three years before he stepped in to interfere in the first encounter with Galactus.
Dang man! I didn't realize how much I missed Sly Cooper! You just unlocked a whole part of my brain!
It got VERY Hellboy in that last 10 minutes, and I was here for it.
I didn’t realize it at the time, but you are 100% right. It was the best part.
I'm surprised but how far I had to scroll for this comment. Ogdru-Jahad for sure.
Honestly,the Iron Man Killmonger episode would've been a great start
Collings works too hard, he always goes above and beyond the call of editing duty. Thank you Collings!
5:03 You've outdone yourself with the Sly Raccoon reference, if I could claim one game as my childhood game it's this
i loved how the tesseract portal faded into your weekly planet logo
The pacing really does nix it down for.me a bit as it causes them to brush over things they really shouldn't. The biggest example I can think of is Howard giving peggy the shield. In the og movie he did it because he respected steve and knew that Steve liked having the shield from his time as a propaganda man.
But here he just makes it for Peggy.....why? It wouldn't make any sense for him to make it for her to use as propaganda. It just felt like "well captain America has to have a shield so she has too as well" even though there is no explanation for it.
I do.hope the other stories are better paced and have more deviations. Cause as of right now it was good.but not great
They could have spent an entire season on just this episode, easily.
Agreed. I liked it but it went at a breakneck pace and some of the voice acting and animation was 😬
@@SimonBuchanNz Given they've said they'll come back to the character, I think we'll get to see more changes to the world where Ironman was invented in 1944.
I am sitting in hospital waiting for the doctor and I was freaking out, refreshed my RUclips and this came at the perfect time. More Dan Aykroyd please
Loved it. Love Hayley of course, she's a delight, can't wait for more of the show. Would love to see more of the Bigger Peggy in live action too
2:07 i loved that Leyendecker styled art of steve rogers they did at the start of the episode
Lmao 6:46 syncs perfectly with what their saying
When did Mason get a New Zealand accent?
I can't unhear it now.
I think this one is going to be the weakest because we’ve already seen most of it but when it comes to the original stories I think that’s where this series will start to shine more. Hopefully.
This episode has maybe the funniest scene in the MCU.
GERMAN OFFICER( in a thick German accent): "The allies must be desperate, sending in a fragile fräulein to fight for them."
CAPTAIN CARTER: "Fragile?"
*Punches his knee backwards.*
Just that '90s kids movie sexism immediately followed by great violence was hilarious.
I hated it, she just killed all of their soldiers and big dude is throwing those cliche sexist lines... I mean, that was just plain stupid (in the '90s kids movie way)
I love Captain Carter. I always like the character and her show, seeing her in this being a bad ass makes me scream
The first episode made me wish they made their action in movies as good as this animated show. The scene where Peggy attacks the Hydra bomber and fighter plane, as well as the other action scenes. If that was in a movie, it would be mind blowing!!!