I didn't hate Secret Invasion, but God G'iah was such a boring character, especially now that she's presumably going to be the main skrull lead since Talos is dead
Except when you realize Parker was in literally no danger, he could've literally punched Keaton's head off before he even THOUGHT about pulling the trigger.
@@sagaswpbut Peter being a literal inexperienced child wouldn't do that lmao, that's like saying the avengers were never in danger because Thor could just cut off thanos' head, it's pointless.
@@sagaswpExcept Spider-Man at this point hasn’t figured everything out, he’s still early in his career and very inexperienced and still doesn’t know the extent of his strength
Finding the naked shot of Micheal Keaton for the visual gag of him taking the Vulture suit in a parallel universe was excellent work by the editors- even if it was onscreen for like .5 seconds. Their efforts are noticed and appreciated.
I immediately recognized it from birdman. So it probably took them even less time to think of it. Anyone with a passing knowledge of his best work would know exactly where to look for such a zany visual of Keaton
Crazy to think that we could have had Sony making Spider-Man spin offs within the MCU this whole time, but it was prevented largely by the fact that they're bad at it.
The Peter Parker Star Wars thing is easy to explain. He was always a fan of the franchise, but he didn't wanna make the Avengers think he was some nerd or geek, so he said "that really old movie, Empire Strikes Back" to distance himself from it. I've done that when I was younger, I'd be like "those enemies from Naruto, with the red cloud cloaks?" knowing full well those were the Akatsuki & remembering all their full names and info. But I didn't wanna come across as some anime nerd.
@@nightwalker174 The Avengers didn't even know who he was, let alone whether he was a nerd or not. To the point where, after Spider-Men mentioned "Empire Strikes Back", War Machine asks "how old is this guy anyway?"
Obviously he watched Star Wars after that encounter and then became a fan. That’s literally what happened to Tom Holland. He hadn’t seen empire strikes back irl and that’s why they put it in the movie.
I would just like to mention, Keneth Choi is a fantastic person, I wish he were known more. He was in a relationship with my aunt for a very long period of time many years ago at this point and was always incredibly nice. When my grandmother passed, he went out of the way to cover everyone's travel expenses who were attending the funeral but lived far away. Every time I saw him, he was a great dude and its always cool to see people mention him in videos like this.
I love Homecoming. It feels so fresh. Hardly any characters seen in other films, we don’t even get the origin again, actors closer to their character’s age. I love how inclusive it is. And I like connecting Peter to Tony because it highlights how different Peter is supposed to be to the typical MCU superhero. And Tony is the face of the MCU, so he’s the perfect person to contrast against.
There are so many great actors in it too. Michael Chernus, Selenis Leyva, Bokeen Woodbine, that one guy who looks like Tom Hardy. Best of all is Abraham Attah though, the kid from Beasts of No Nation, one of the greatest and most visceral films of the 2010s imo
@@li-limandragon9287 right bro i love rami tobeys my favorite but bro, you watch all three rami movies back to back they are literally the saddest things ever like Spider-Man goes through nothing but terrible things
Not really, I feel like it’s aged kinda worse after No Way Home and the PlayStation games which feel like real Spider-Man stories where as Homecoming just feels like a dumb, generic superhero kid’s movie.
The incredible restraint you’ve both shown in not using your “Tom Holland voice” 😂 Yeah, yeah, I agree he’s a great Spidey but I was shocked to not hear your impression of him crying about having to sleep at Sony’s house and share a room with Morbius during the Disney custody battle.
I really love how down to earth this is after all of the Marvel stakes-bloat. A disgruntled old guy gets his grubby mitts on some tech and wants to rob some places with it. Thats it. Infinite universes aren't exploding.
Between this movie's Vulture and the Renaissance version in Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse, I love how the movies turned an old man with feathers on his arms into legitimely great villain designs.
So glad someone finally pointed out the "if you're nothing without the suit, then you shouldn't have it" line from Tony. Granted Tony had "earned" his suit at that point but from a super hero perspective I always thought that line was a little twisted coming from Iron Man himself. Peter without a suit still has super strength, speed, agility, spider sense/spider powers and can even shoot webs without his suit. He's actually still got a lot of abilities without the suit. Iron Man is just a guy. It still carries a good sentiment, but yeah the line itself definitely applies to Tony as well.
My favorite bit about this movie is my memory of going to see it in theaters with my dad. He got *so upset* at the post-credits "so you waited for nothing" Cap gag that he threw our (then-empty) popcorn container at the screen, going, "GAH, COME ON!" It got him so good, and I almost fell out of my seat I was laughing so hard!
i don't love this movie but i give it props for: a FANTASTIC villain (something rare in these movies), a genuinely overwhelmed Spider-Man/Peter, a suite that lets his eyes emote like in no previous movie, and a pretty darn good mentor relationship with Iron-Man (i did not expect him to come out of that suite). Also, that third-act twist REALLY got me good.
We had two years between Homecoming and Far From Home. We had two and a half years between Far From Home and No Way Home. It's already been two years since No Way Home, with no word on another Spider-Man project. Times flies.
You know Vulture would have never threatened the city if Shield just... you know... paid him what he was due rather then break a contract with no compensation. Its a common theme of the Avengers creating their own problems and inflicting the consequences onto everyone else.
Yeah honestly that’s been my biggest issue with the film. Instead of just going full on super criminal, why not pursue a legal case? There’s no way he wouldn’t have been compensated.
Tbf the Avengers weren’t at fault for this one and even Vulture seems to know that. All Tony did was partially fund the DODC, whatever they then did to Vulture wasn’t anything to do with him.
I also love that they didnt take it too far. It was just right the right level of cringe, and they moved on from the bits at the right time, not letting them linger too long etc. I normally hate "cringe" humour but they nailed the execution.
Seeing this in theaters for the first time with no spoilers, there was an audible *gasp* when the door opened and Michael Keaton was there as the girl's dad. The way that whole scene played out, and the conversation they had in the car were absolutely perfect. It truly brought home the fact that this is just a kid. Those scenes and then when he's pinned under the rubble and initially shouting out for help, only to rally and break free--goosebumps.
I always reasoned that Peter was a big Star Wars fan but he was so used to his peers being all “ew old movie” that he assumes he has to give The Empire Strikes Back an introduction lol
I mean, it is a "Really Old Movie", he's clearly seen it, I don't see how it's a continuity issue at all. He doesn't know the name of the walking thingies, but y'know what? Neither did I until years later!
This is my absolute favourite Spider-Man movie. It was just fresh and hit me at just the right time as a 19 year-old in college. It felt like it actually represented how it was to be a kid, and it also felt very accurate to a Gen Z Spider-Man.
Interesting. Friends and I were 18, and thought it was inferior to the last two Spidey origins. I’m glad you enjoyed it, but the Batman cameo did nothing for me, plus that climax leaves me largely unsatisfied, especially compared to Raimi’s ending.
I grew up with spiderman comics and he has always been my favourite hero. Althought the comics DO spend a lot of time with peter in college and beyond, fundamentally the start is what makes spiderman so iconic. He is/was a teenager with adult responsibilities thrust on him. This is is why he is so quipy etc. He has a hard to understanding how serious the situations are etc. Being a fan of this I have always found the movies, although good, missing the point of spider man and focusing more on the showy bits. The colourful villians etc. All this being said, I think homecoming and into the spider verse nailed it. We have two GREAT takes on a teenage spiderman having to deal with adult responsibility. Miles is from the perspective of a young POC, and Peter is a modern take on what a teenager is (gen z culture etc). I am very glad that we have these versions now. :)
I agree, it was the first time I saw a Hollywood movie portraying teenages without all of the stereotypes about them being petty, going to raves and these sorts of things. It felt pretty authentic
They didn’t mention that the lenses in the eyes of the suit move which add so much more personality and expression compared to the still suits of the other two versions of spidey
If he wanted to be cool, he could have just stopped holding back for a moment and broke Cap’s spine. Movie over. Wanda would probably freak out and kill everyone tho.
Right… because the “cool” move to do is to cripple Captain America? Just be brutally violent to a national hero? That will make everyone like you, and won’t clash with your general attitude towards power usage, lol.
I think my favorite part of this movie is how it demonstrates so much of Peter's character and his sense of responsibility. In the Tobey and Andrew movies, usually thousands of people in New York were at risk whenever a villain rose to power, but this movie was the smallest scale we've ever seen Spider-Man. Stopping Adrian Toomes was partially motivated by wanting to impress Tony, but was mainly motivated by his first-hand account of what those weapons could do to people. I also like the fact that unlike other villain issues, Peter could in-theory ignore the problem and enjoy his life, but his sense of responsibility and his desire to keep people safe (people who probably don't even live in New York and who he'll probably never meet) and being the only hero who knows enough about what Toomes is doing to take him down was great. Tom Holland gets a lot of flack from some people for his depiction of Spider-Man, but I think it was great here and throughout the MCU thus far.
I love how James and Maseau bring up U.S. politicians from the 1960’s/1970’s on a regular basis but aren’t 100% sure that’s the Washington monument in the movie.
Fun fact: The Lego Death Star and Spider-Man having blue on his suit led to this movie getting the working title of Blue Harvest, a subtle nod to the original Star Wars movie
Lmao I’m glad somebody else noticed the way Zendaya is just hanging about in this, making weird faces and stuff. She’s weird stuffing all over the place in this
He joins the ranks of "dropped MCU plot-threads" like Baron Mordo hating magic users (because cut scenes don't count), various Hulk stuff, etc. I would like to see him show up in a future Spidey film - I really hope they give us more of Tom Holland's Spidey rather than reboot to high school, it's a fairly boring era for him and it was such a tiny part of his original comics run. Let Peter Parker grow up, movies!
this movie has one of the best scenes in all of superhero films. when michael keaton, aka vulture, is revealed as the dad and drives his daughter and peter to homecoming while uncovering that peter is spiderman. michael keatons delivery was perfect, and tom as well. the tension felt so genuine and really gave me goosebumps.
@@CREWSHUHL thats why i said “one of the best” not the best. everyones entitled to their own opinion, but in my opinion, its more than just a cool scene. it adds weight, tension, and drama to these characters and the story. stuff you dont typically get from a superhero movie, and they executed it brilliantly
Tony also manipulated Peter to his side of Civil War by leaving out info. During the recruiting scene he even has an “oh shit” expression when he realizes if Peter knows the full story he will take Cap’s side
These movie has so many awesome moments. I love it when Peter fights Shocker 2 for the first time and makes fun of him "you know the other guy was much better with that thing."
Seeing Jon Watts make the whole trilogy its own Spider-man origin instead of the 30 minute backstory we are used to was my favorite part of these movies.
15:17 Actually there's a blink and you'll miss it detail in one of the POV shots from the suit when he's about to interrogate Aaron Davis, in a corner says something akin to "Known alias: The Prowler". So it seems like in that point in time he was already working with the suit, if it is the same guy from Spider-Verse, of course.
In Civil War he doesn't say "some old movie I don't remember" he says "that old movie Empire Strikes Back" I always felt that line is clunky but I like the vibe of a 15 year old thinking he has discovered this old thing no one has heard of. Like when I was 12 and I "discovered" The Beatles.
I am here for the roast of Tony Stark. I love pointing out that Captain America: Civil War features a billionaire gaining access to a teenager's bedroom under false pretenses, talking to him about his body, and then taking him on a dangerous trip where he gets injured.
Regarding the Star Wars thing, I think he was always a fan, but assumed the other characters in Civil War didn't know because they're probably not sci-fi nerds.
When my buddies and I saw this movie and the Captain America PCS talked about "patience" we thought he was being meta about the MCU. Like "i know youve seen 28 of these movies but just wait, we're almost there"... and we were right
16:13 so when he says that old movie “I see that as like teenage insecurity” he doesn’t want all these adults to think he’s a big nerd so he’s like “ oh yea this old movie star… star fights I think it’s called, yea pretty lame so old I don’t even think I really saw it”
I'm not going to lie, as a teenager when this came out I loved this movie. I could never really relate to Tobey or Andrew, but they nailed the feeling of a modern teenage Peter in Homecoming in my opinion.
15:57, I would suggest he’s doing the classic nerdy teenager thing of pretending not to care about their passions in front of people they want to impress.
Soon as Michael Keaton opens the door, all the way until the end of the car scene, that is one of the most on the edge of my seat moments I’ve ever had in a marvel movie.
I always find people claiming that Vulture is an Iron Man villain in this movie really weird. He has like one periphery interaction where their lives overlapped and that’s it. He has no vendetta against Tony, doesn’t monologue about him and even spends most of the movie specifically refusing to target his company. It’s like saying that the spider that bit Pete is a Spider-Man villain because it plays a role in his origin.
it’s funny i don’t really care about comic book movies at all anymore but i click on these videos just cuz i like hearing these guys talk. they could talk about furniture and i’d probably be here for it.
Loved this representation of Flash. It always felt to me like the first adaptation just put the 1960s version straight on screen, when that had been outdated for ages. For the Raimi movie that strategy works for May and Ben Parker, the Daily Bugle, and many other things, but not for the high school. This feels like actual kids in an actual high school. I remember someone describing Flash at the time as "just some dick Peter knows". They have to hang out because they're sort of but sort of not in the same circles, but he's just a relentless asshole.
Also too, IF they go the route of Flash from the comics. When they are adults, they are actually friends, because flash grows out of his bully behaviour, and he eventually becomes Agent venom, WHO has a weaker bond with the symbiote because he doesnt hate peter parker like the symbiote does. Anyways, point is, I think this is a great setup for having flash and peter potentially be friends/friendly later.
@@alanhersch4617Considering the Venom movies normalised the symbiote connecting to someone who doesn't hate Peter, and the new game normalising it connecting to someone who isn't Eddit Brock, I think the MCU has a ton of candidates for who could get the symbiote. Scorpion and Flash, who have precedent with the Symbiote, but also Ned.
This Spider-Man movie also set the record for all Spider-Man movies for highest usage of green screen, and that’s why Spider-Man Triviacoming is also known as “Green Trivia”
I personally think that Sonys spiderverse movies actually fix the Vulture off screen. Having spidermen running around grabbing villas in the wrong universe and having spiderman from the future call out Tom Holland and doctor strange is me thinking it's them doing a 180 after the reception of that crossover lmao
This was the first movie I saw after watching The Last Jedi, during a time when I thought I would never enjoy movies again. This movie actually brought me out of my post TLJ depression, so even though it's not that great, it will always hold a special place in my heart as one of the last decent movies the MCU ever made.
Something something ‘which led to the working title being Blue Harvest’, something something Rodney, something something obscure reference only people of a certain age who grew up in Australia would remember.
On the topic of Donald Glover's Prowler, if that is him in spider verse 2, it would make the most sense if he wasn't bliped and had a run in with Kingpin and Ronin in NYC over the 5 years. We've seen the Sony basement of origins, but the Endgame 5 year time skip is the "MCU time skip of origins" . 😅
Yeah I have always thought that blip should be the source of criminals taking power everywhere. I am little concerned of their handling of it so far though. Falcon and the winter soldier implied that the old status quo was reinstated. Same political borders etc. I thought that was a wasted opportunity. Could have redrawn the map with new countries etc. (like idk Latvia) and then with Wakanda Forever, that raised the biggest question of "How did the Talokanil handle the blip?" and I also dont believe that Namor would not have gotten involved in end game etc.
@@alanhersch4617 While I agree, I do think it makes sense for the old status quo to be reinstated. It's also a good source of conflict. But I do agree that the opportunity was kind of wasted.
13:20 everyone likes to bag on the home trilogy for the lack of swinging but you have to remember at the time is was a good move. We had just gotten through 5 movies of spider man with with the same origin stories and repeated story elements. I remember this series was applauded for doing something new and not just repeating the same story elements like the “great power” Ben’s death scene and big sitting swinging etc. they showed like you said Spider-Man having to navigate in different environments and different story elements. Now that it’s been 10 years since TASM2 now people want these things back
The scene where Spiderman is crushed by the building and is stuck is awesome. It shows Holland being able to turn from a 15 year old scared kid to muster up the courage to be Spiderman and get out. Scene for scene lifted from the comics too kinda.
Fellas, great work as always, but I gotta say, you missed a couple of puns that I'm sure was accidental... The Raimi suit reigns surpreme? More like Raims surpreme. He found a new vulture suit in the vault? Not the vault-ure?!
I love this Spiderman movie so much! I also love Michael Keaton in this. He's terrifying and cunning and the character design for the Vulture is one of my favorites! Just chef kisses all around
The “you’re on a holiday but you’re with your kids so it’s not really” brings back memories of my dad saying “we don’t go on family vacations because it’s not a vacation of if I have to take you kids” which is fair
If I'm being honest, I don't know why Vulture IS a Spider-man villain in the comics either... Just like a 90 year old man beefing with a high schooler.
This film felt more like Miles' debut comics in the Ultimate Universe, with Ned as Ganke, Liz as Katie Bishop, Vulture as Prowler, and Iron Man as Fury.
The working Title for this movie was actually Spider-man: Blue Harvest. Which of course, Blue Harvest was the original working Title for the first Star Wars movie!
Seeing as how Don Cheadle forgot that he spent half of Infinity War in Wakanda, I’d give Gwyneth Paltrow slack for forgetting which movie she showed up at the very end for
If someone were to compile every instance of the boys explaining the sony spiderman deal into a single video, I'd watch that twice mate thats how excited i get when we get the same explanation but in different contexts and intonations and I'm not kidding or being sarcastic here the entire situation is that funny to me.
I remember being so shocked when the door opened and we saw Vulture there. One of the best twists
Agreed. The sound and editing really helped I think:
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To this day it's one of the only times I've been genuinely surprised by one of these movies. Such an awesome moment
Too bad there's no merit for it other than Liz being out of the picture
One of the few times I've gasped out loud in the cinema
I remember the theater gasping, including me!!!
Emilia Clarke with the Drax arm should come with a trigger warning
It bums me out that Emilia Clarke was wasted on such a nothing character rather than getting to be one of the X-Ladies like Sansa.
I didn't hate Secret Invasion, but God G'iah was such a boring character, especially now that she's presumably going to be the main skrull lead since Talos is dead
Thank god this was my trigger warning, thank you
That ending was a real warning.
@@li-limandragon9287a nothing character by name but now the most OP character in the entire mcu
I can finally go back to having a way to track the days of the week now that caravan of garbage is back!!
Brother YES
It scares me how relatable this comment is
THIS!
RODNEYY
No way, that’s why Jan felt so crap
That scene in the car with Parker and Toomes is IMO one of the best performances in basically anything in the MCU, it's properly tense and intense.
Except when you realize Parker was in literally no danger, he could've literally punched Keaton's head off before he even THOUGHT about pulling the trigger.
@@sagaswpbut Peter being a literal inexperienced child wouldn't do that lmao, that's like saying the avengers were never in danger because Thor could just cut off thanos' head, it's pointless.
You beat me to it ... Absolutely agree. And the reveal of him as Liz's dad was masterful (since I'd managed to avoid spoilers up to that point).
@@sagaswpExcept Spider-Man at this point hasn’t figured everything out, he’s still early in his career and very inexperienced and still doesn’t know the extent of his strength
Michael Keaton as the Vulture was one of the best casting choices made by Marvel.
Finding the naked shot of Micheal Keaton for the visual gag of him taking the Vulture suit in a parallel universe was excellent work by the editors- even if it was onscreen for like .5 seconds. Their efforts are noticed and appreciated.
I think it's from Birdman, which makes it a triple hit.
I immediately recognized it from birdman. So it probably took them even less time to think of it. Anyone with a passing knowledge of his best work would know exactly where to look for such a zany visual of Keaton
Crazy to think that we could have had Sony making Spider-Man spin offs within the MCU this whole time, but it was prevented largely by the fact that they're bad at it.
I like when Vulture tells the first Shocker stop yelling his name thinking it’s pro wrestling 😂
"Here, now you're the Shocker." Awesome delivery.
The Peter Parker Star Wars thing is easy to explain. He was always a fan of the franchise, but he didn't wanna make the Avengers think he was some nerd or geek, so he said "that really old movie, Empire Strikes Back" to distance himself from it. I've done that when I was younger, I'd be like "those enemies from Naruto, with the red cloud cloaks?" knowing full well those were the Akatsuki & remembering all their full names and info. But I didn't wanna come across as some anime nerd.
Everyone knew he's a nerd tho
@@nightwalker174 The Avengers didn't even know who he was, let alone whether he was a nerd or not. To the point where, after Spider-Men mentioned "Empire Strikes Back", War Machine asks "how old is this guy anyway?"
Obviously he watched Star Wars after that encounter and then became a fan.
That’s literally what happened to Tom Holland. He hadn’t seen empire strikes back irl and that’s why they put it in the movie.
Nah it was obviously just bad writing.
I would just like to mention, Keneth Choi is a fantastic person, I wish he were known more. He was in a relationship with my aunt for a very long period of time many years ago at this point and was always incredibly nice.
When my grandmother passed, he went out of the way to cover everyone's travel expenses who were attending the funeral but lived far away. Every time I saw him, he was a great dude and its always cool to see people mention him in videos like this.
Sounds great.
Aunt May?
I love Homecoming. It feels so fresh. Hardly any characters seen in other films, we don’t even get the origin again, actors closer to their character’s age. I love how inclusive it is.
And I like connecting Peter to Tony because it highlights how different Peter is supposed to be to the typical MCU superhero. And Tony is the face of the MCU, so he’s the perfect person to contrast against.
There are so many great actors in it too. Michael Chernus, Selenis Leyva, Bokeen Woodbine, that one guy who looks like Tom Hardy. Best of all is Abraham Attah though, the kid from Beasts of No Nation, one of the greatest and most visceral films of the 2010s imo
This movie was such a breath of fresh air for the franchise. It felt fun and enjoyable to watch. Still holds up for me years later.
It’s good because it shows not every Spidey film has to be complete suffering. People are sick of life just sucking for Peter Parker.
This film is really similar to that 90's film Steel.
@@li-limandragon9287 right bro i love rami tobeys my favorite but bro, you watch all three rami movies back to back they are literally the saddest things ever like Spider-Man goes through nothing but terrible things
@@li-limandragon9287Agreed! The balance feels a lot better in these and the Spider-Verse movies. Also in the new Insomniac games.
Not really, I feel like it’s aged kinda worse after No Way Home and the PlayStation games which feel like real Spider-Man stories where as Homecoming just feels like a dumb, generic superhero kid’s movie.
The incredible restraint you’ve both shown in not using your “Tom Holland voice” 😂
Yeah, yeah, I agree he’s a great Spidey but I was shocked to not hear your impression of him crying about having to sleep at Sony’s house and share a room with Morbius during the Disney custody battle.
In which video did they do their Tom Holland impressions?
@@stewiegriffin12341 it's been a reoccurring gag on their podcast for the last 6 years, they do it a lot but it's never made an appearance on COG.
@@CrowTRobot I see. I was able to find a clip of it on RUclips.
Didnt they make the Tom Holand voice on Iron Man COG when they make fun of the retcon of Peter being the kid with the Iron Man toy mask?
Iron Man 2 COG specifically.
I really love how down to earth this is after all of the Marvel stakes-bloat.
A disgruntled old guy gets his grubby mitts on some tech and wants to rob some places with it. Thats it. Infinite universes aren't exploding.
It's how spiderman is supposed to feel! Minus all the Iron man stuff
@@alexjames2264 I think the iron man stuff was integrated super well ngl
Never knew how much I wanted to see Paddy Considine and Matt Smith talk about the Morbin time meme.
Between this movie's Vulture and the Renaissance version in Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse, I love how the movies turned an old man with feathers on his arms into legitimely great villain designs.
The Insomniac version adapted the old man with wings quite well, which I enjoyed
So glad someone finally pointed out the "if you're nothing without the suit, then you shouldn't have it" line from Tony. Granted Tony had "earned" his suit at that point but from a super hero perspective I always thought that line was a little twisted coming from Iron Man himself. Peter without a suit still has super strength, speed, agility, spider sense/spider powers and can even shoot webs without his suit. He's actually still got a lot of abilities without the suit. Iron Man is just a guy. It still carries a good sentiment, but yeah the line itself definitely applies to Tony as well.
My favorite bit about this movie is my memory of going to see it in theaters with my dad. He got *so upset* at the post-credits "so you waited for nothing" Cap gag that he threw our (then-empty) popcorn container at the screen, going, "GAH, COME ON!" It got him so good, and I almost fell out of my seat I was laughing so hard!
I had a similar thing with my Dad.
Still my favourite post-credits scene 😂
What a terrible dad
@@mynamejeff8401 This doesn’t seem like a tantrum at all, my dude.
i don't love this movie but i give it props for: a FANTASTIC villain (something rare in these movies), a genuinely overwhelmed Spider-Man/Peter, a suite that lets his eyes emote like in no previous movie, and a pretty darn good mentor relationship with Iron-Man (i did not expect him to come out of that suite). Also, that third-act twist REALLY got me good.
Vulture was the only genuinely great thing about this film. Other than that it was overhyped to shit.
We had two years between Homecoming and Far From Home.
We had two and a half years between Far From Home and No Way Home.
It's already been two years since No Way Home, with no word on another Spider-Man project. Times flies.
Damn.
You know Vulture would have never threatened the city if Shield just... you know... paid him what he was due rather then break a contract with no compensation.
Its a common theme of the Avengers creating their own problems and inflicting the consequences onto everyone else.
Maybe he shouldn't have overextended himself.
*please don't punch me Keaton
@K.C-2049real
Yeah honestly that’s been my biggest issue with the film. Instead of just going full on super criminal, why not pursue a legal case? There’s no way he wouldn’t have been compensated.
Tbf the Avengers weren’t at fault for this one and even Vulture seems to know that.
All Tony did was partially fund the DODC, whatever they then did to Vulture wasn’t anything to do with him.
@K.C-2049corporate greed and capitalism are not the same thing
We're never getting a proper follow up to the post credits scene of Micheal Mando as Scorpion
that truly breaks my heart
We could of had Vaas as a Spider-Man villain, we were robbed!
If they can remember the Leader from the Incredible Hulk after 10 years, they can remember the Scorpion.
Loved him on Better Call Saul
Commenting now to tell you this will age badly…
I LOVE all the weird backgrounds kids at Peter's high school. My high school used to have announcements on the TV and they were cringe too
I also love that they didnt take it too far. It was just right the right level of cringe, and they moved on from the bits at the right time, not letting them linger too long etc. I normally hate "cringe" humour but they nailed the execution.
That kid getting shot down asking his co-host to prom in front of everyone is PERFECT highschool cringe
Seeing this in theaters for the first time with no spoilers, there was an audible *gasp* when the door opened and Michael Keaton was there as the girl's dad. The way that whole scene played out, and the conversation they had in the car were absolutely perfect. It truly brought home the fact that this is just a kid. Those scenes and then when he's pinned under the rubble and initially shouting out for help, only to rally and break free--goosebumps.
The Chess kid has always been my favorite bit. That’s the most realistic and most awkward conversation anyone’s ever had in a superhero movie.
I always reasoned that Peter was a big Star Wars fan but he was so used to his peers being all “ew old movie” that he assumes he has to give The Empire Strikes Back an introduction lol
I mean, it is a "Really Old Movie", he's clearly seen it, I don't see how it's a continuity issue at all. He doesn't know the name of the walking thingies, but y'know what? Neither did I until years later!
This is my absolute favourite Spider-Man movie. It was just fresh and hit me at just the right time as a 19 year-old in college. It felt like it actually represented how it was to be a kid, and it also felt very accurate to a Gen Z Spider-Man.
Interesting. Friends and I were 18, and thought it was inferior to the last two Spidey origins.
I’m glad you enjoyed it, but the Batman cameo did nothing for me, plus that climax leaves me largely unsatisfied, especially compared to Raimi’s ending.
I grew up with spiderman comics and he has always been my favourite hero. Althought the comics DO spend a lot of time with peter in college and beyond, fundamentally the start is what makes spiderman so iconic. He is/was a teenager with adult responsibilities thrust on him. This is is why he is so quipy etc. He has a hard to understanding how serious the situations are etc.
Being a fan of this I have always found the movies, although good, missing the point of spider man and focusing more on the showy bits. The colourful villians etc.
All this being said, I think homecoming and into the spider verse nailed it. We have two GREAT takes on a teenage spiderman having to deal with adult responsibility. Miles is from the perspective of a young POC, and Peter is a modern take on what a teenager is (gen z culture etc). I am very glad that we have these versions now. :)
I agree, it was the first time I saw a Hollywood movie portraying teenages without all of the stereotypes about them being petty, going to raves and these sorts of things. It felt pretty authentic
Damn I was 19 in college when I saw this too
@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115 Not the first time at all but ok.
The high schoolers being young and weird and awkward like, you know, *actual high schoolers* was such a breath of fresh air!
They didn’t mention that the lenses in the eyes of the suit move which add so much more personality and expression compared to the still suits of the other two versions of spidey
Im super used to it now, but ya that was a big change back in the day
yeah, i love the little extra expressive touch it gives him. feels like the comics!
Much like the cgi 'eyes' of deadpool which also gives him so much more expressions whilst in his suit.
I am once again on my knees, begging. For the fifth element caravan of garbage!!
Love The Fifth Element one of my favorite movies
I have always assumed that Peter was downplaying his love of Star Wars in Civil War because he was trying too hard to seem cool
If he wanted to be cool, he could have just stopped holding back for a moment and broke Cap’s spine. Movie over.
Wanda would probably freak out and kill everyone tho.
Right… because the “cool” move to do is to cripple Captain America? Just be brutally violent to a national hero? That will make everyone like you, and won’t clash with your general attitude towards power usage, lol.
@@acgeewhiz They sound like a Snyderbro
I think my favorite part of this movie is how it demonstrates so much of Peter's character and his sense of responsibility.
In the Tobey and Andrew movies, usually thousands of people in New York were at risk whenever a villain rose to power, but this movie was the smallest scale we've ever seen Spider-Man. Stopping Adrian Toomes was partially motivated by wanting to impress Tony, but was mainly motivated by his first-hand account of what those weapons could do to people. I also like the fact that unlike other villain issues, Peter could in-theory ignore the problem and enjoy his life, but his sense of responsibility and his desire to keep people safe (people who probably don't even live in New York and who he'll probably never meet) and being the only hero who knows enough about what Toomes is doing to take him down was great.
Tom Holland gets a lot of flack from some people for his depiction of Spider-Man, but I think it was great here and throughout the MCU thus far.
I love how James and Maseau bring up U.S. politicians from the 1960’s/1970’s on a regular basis but aren’t 100% sure that’s the Washington monument in the movie.
Fun fact: The Lego Death Star and Spider-Man having blue on his suit led to this movie getting the working title of Blue Harvest, a subtle nod to the original Star Wars movie
I didn't know that, that's fascinating.
Lmao I’m glad somebody else noticed the way Zendaya is just hanging about in this, making weird faces and stuff. She’s weird stuffing all over the place in this
Between Homecoming & the first Dune it’s funny the amount of press she had to do with probably under 5 minutes of screentime
I feel bad for the guy who played Scorpion in MCU he just disappeared 😂
Honestly if Spidey 4 was just him as the single villain trying to kill a now alone Peter that would be great.
Scorpion needs a good story.
He joins the ranks of "dropped MCU plot-threads" like Baron Mordo hating magic users (because cut scenes don't count), various Hulk stuff, etc. I would like to see him show up in a future Spidey film - I really hope they give us more of Tom Holland's Spidey rather than reboot to high school, it's a fairly boring era for him and it was such a tiny part of his original comics run. Let Peter Parker grow up, movies!
Don't feel too bad. The actor plays one of the most memorable supporting character in Better Call Saul
@@TuaronHis MCU story was him in high school. Something the first Raimi movie skipped over. And TASM movies didn’t really care for
@@Tuaron I think he's recent enough to not be completely dropped.
I always interpreted Peter Parker not knowing Star Wars as him trying to come across as cool, mature and nonchalant towards Tony Stark and Rhodey.
he actually does say the name of the movie he even describes the scene on the 'snow planet'
Same. The whole "this really old movie" joke is honestly super in-character for him here.
this movie has one of the best scenes in all of superhero films. when michael keaton, aka vulture, is revealed as the dad and drives his daughter and peter to homecoming while uncovering that peter is spiderman.
michael keatons delivery was perfect, and tom as well. the tension felt so genuine and really gave me goosebumps.
Cool scene, far from best scene in “all of superhero” film history.
@@CREWSHUHL thats why i said “one of the best” not the best. everyones entitled to their own opinion, but in my opinion, its more than just a cool scene. it adds weight, tension, and drama to these characters and the story. stuff you dont typically get from a superhero movie, and they executed it brilliantly
I’ll admit the vulture twist got me good in theater and can’t believe I didn’t see it coming 😂
Tony also manipulated Peter to his side of Civil War by leaving out info. During the recruiting scene he even has an “oh shit” expression when he realizes if Peter knows the full story he will take Cap’s side
These movie has so many awesome moments. I love it when Peter fights Shocker 2 for the first time and makes fun of him "you know the other guy was much better with that thing."
The way he talks about how Tony treats Peter. I feel James would have been a really good teacher.
Seeing Jon Watts make the whole trilogy its own Spider-man origin instead of the 30 minute backstory we are used to was my favorite part of these movies.
15:17 Actually there's a blink and you'll miss it detail in one of the POV shots from the suit when he's about to interrogate Aaron Davis, in a corner says something akin to "Known alias: The Prowler". So it seems like in that point in time he was already working with the suit, if it is the same guy from Spider-Verse, of course.
I come here for the underrated gems like "it was a complicated time to be Gwenyth Paltrow"
In Civil War he doesn't say "some old movie I don't remember" he says "that old movie Empire Strikes Back" I always felt that line is clunky but I like the vibe of a 15 year old thinking he has discovered this old thing no one has heard of. Like when I was 12 and I "discovered" The Beatles.
Tony Stark continuously being the absolute worst is hilarious
I am here for the roast of Tony Stark. I love pointing out that Captain America: Civil War features a billionaire gaining access to a teenager's bedroom under false pretenses, talking to him about his body, and then taking him on a dangerous trip where he gets injured.
Regarding the Star Wars thing, I think he was always a fan, but assumed the other characters in Civil War didn't know because they're probably not sci-fi nerds.
Tony & Rhodey literally quip about it the next line, so wouldn’t say that
@@mk6rfc1the NEXT line, he didn't know before that
Miles being best friends with the same Ned would be so funny.
When my buddies and I saw this movie and the Captain America PCS talked about "patience" we thought he was being meta about the MCU. Like "i know youve seen 28 of these movies but just wait, we're almost there"... and we were right
That lego trivia is my favorite piece of trivia you guys have ever done, I was dying laughing at that
16:13 so when he says that old movie “I see that as like teenage insecurity” he doesn’t want all these adults to think he’s a big nerd so he’s like “ oh yea this old movie star… star fights I think it’s called, yea pretty lame so old I don’t even think I really saw it”
I'm not going to lie, as a teenager when this came out I loved this movie.
I could never really relate to Tobey or Andrew, but they nailed the feeling of a modern teenage Peter in Homecoming in my opinion.
Ben and Laurence absolutely killed this edit man I died laughing multiple times. I missed you guys glad to have you back.
I’m surprised they did a whole moment in trivia where they talked about starwars and they didn’t talk about blue harvest, I’m proud of you James
15:57, I would suggest he’s doing the classic nerdy teenager thing of pretending not to care about their passions in front of people they want to impress.
Only thing this movie is missing is the greatest Spider-Man villain of all time… corn of coblin
I want Big Wheel and the Wall. XD
I’m not sure how I got here, has to do with Spider-Man I think 🤔
the cap post credit scene is one of my favorites LMAO "and you wonder why you waited so long for something so disappointing"
Bro the "I get you get" with Feige has me in tears
Another year, another batch of the only videos I leave a like on because you guys are my favorite
Soon as Michael Keaton opens the door, all the way until the end of the car scene, that is one of the most on the edge of my seat moments I’ve ever had in a marvel movie.
I always find people claiming that Vulture is an Iron Man villain in this movie really weird. He has like one periphery interaction where their lives overlapped and that’s it.
He has no vendetta against Tony, doesn’t monologue about him and even spends most of the movie specifically refusing to target his company.
It’s like saying that the spider that bit Pete is a Spider-Man villain because it plays a role in his origin.
Micheal Keaton killed his role as the vulture, I love the scene in the car. His suit holds up pretty well too
it’s funny i don’t really care about comic book movies at all anymore but i click on these videos just cuz i like hearing these guys talk. they could talk about furniture and i’d probably be here for it.
Loved this representation of Flash. It always felt to me like the first adaptation just put the 1960s version straight on screen, when that had been outdated for ages. For the Raimi movie that strategy works for May and Ben Parker, the Daily Bugle, and many other things, but not for the high school.
This feels like actual kids in an actual high school. I remember someone describing Flash at the time as "just some dick Peter knows". They have to hang out because they're sort of but sort of not in the same circles, but he's just a relentless asshole.
Yeah, characters like Flash have been perfectly adapted into a more real type bully and not the typical outdated jock
I like your username.
That's a great way to put it. Anyone who has been in school over the last 20 years knows, or knows of, a dude EXACTLY like Flash lol.
Also too, IF they go the route of Flash from the comics. When they are adults, they are actually friends, because flash grows out of his bully behaviour, and he eventually becomes Agent venom, WHO has a weaker bond with the symbiote because he doesnt hate peter parker like the symbiote does. Anyways, point is, I think this is a great setup for having flash and peter potentially be friends/friendly later.
@@alanhersch4617Considering the Venom movies normalised the symbiote connecting to someone who doesn't hate Peter, and the new game normalising it connecting to someone who isn't Eddit Brock, I think the MCU has a ton of candidates for who could get the symbiote. Scorpion and Flash, who have precedent with the Symbiote, but also Ned.
You have no idea how much I've missed you guys. Welcome back!
damn, I've never thought about what spider-man's webs smell like before.
This Spider-Man movie also set the record for all Spider-Man movies for highest usage of green screen, and that’s why Spider-Man Triviacoming is also known as “Green Trivia”
I personally think that Sonys spiderverse movies actually fix the Vulture off screen.
Having spidermen running around grabbing villas in the wrong universe and having spiderman from the future call out Tom Holland and doctor strange is me thinking it's them doing a 180 after the reception of that crossover lmao
Theory about the Star Wars thing: Peter is downplaying how big of a Star Wars fanboy he is in front of the superheroes because he is embarrassed
This was the first movie I saw after watching The Last Jedi, during a time when I thought I would never enjoy movies again. This movie actually brought me out of my post TLJ depression, so even though it's not that great, it will always hold a special place in my heart as one of the last decent movies the MCU ever made.
Something something ‘which led to the working title being Blue Harvest’, something something Rodney, something something obscure reference only people of a certain age who grew up in Australia would remember.
On the topic of Donald Glover's Prowler, if that is him in spider verse 2, it would make the most sense if he wasn't bliped and had a run in with Kingpin and Ronin in NYC over the 5 years.
We've seen the Sony basement of origins, but the Endgame 5 year time skip is the "MCU time skip of origins" . 😅
Yeah I have always thought that blip should be the source of criminals taking power everywhere. I am little concerned of their handling of it so far though. Falcon and the winter soldier implied that the old status quo was reinstated. Same political borders etc. I thought that was a wasted opportunity. Could have redrawn the map with new countries etc. (like idk Latvia) and then with Wakanda Forever, that raised the biggest question of "How did the Talokanil handle the blip?" and I also dont believe that Namor would not have gotten involved in end game etc.
@@alanhersch4617 While I agree, I do think it makes sense for the old status quo to be reinstated. It's also a good source of conflict. But I do agree that the opportunity was kind of wasted.
6:00 I like how much he looks and sounds like Lin-Manuel Miranda
13:20 everyone likes to bag on the home trilogy for the lack of swinging but you have to remember at the time is was a good move. We had just gotten through 5 movies of spider man with with the same origin stories and repeated story elements. I remember this series was applauded for doing something new and not just repeating the same story elements like the “great power” Ben’s death scene and big sitting swinging etc. they showed like you said Spider-Man having to navigate in different environments and different story elements.
Now that it’s been 10 years since TASM2 now people want these things back
Tony Revelori was also in The Grand Budapest Hotel and he was phenomenal.
The scene where Spiderman is crushed by the building and is stuck is awesome. It shows Holland being able to turn from a 15 year old scared kid to muster up the courage to be Spiderman and get out. Scene for scene lifted from the comics too kinda.
Ironboy jr just gets gifted everything. Even his Spiderman logo and iconic eyes were designed by Tony 😂😂
Fellas, great work as always, but I gotta say, you missed a couple of puns that I'm sure was accidental...
The Raimi suit reigns surpreme? More like Raims surpreme.
He found a new vulture suit in the vault? Not the vault-ure?!
I love this Spiderman movie so much! I also love Michael Keaton in this. He's terrifying and cunning and the character design for the Vulture is one of my favorites! Just chef kisses all around
I hated the Vulture in the comics. So it was great to see him now as nightmare fuel
The “you’re on a holiday but you’re with your kids so it’s not really” brings back memories of my dad saying “we don’t go on family vacations because it’s not a vacation of if I have to take you kids” which is fair
Should've named the trivia "Spider-Man: Home Trivia: Trivia at Home
If I'm being honest, I don't know why Vulture IS a Spider-man villain in the comics either... Just like a 90 year old man beefing with a high schooler.
"Vulture, why are you doing this!?!" "Because i have a loving family and beautiful house!"
They gave Geinke a yahkee
Pure restraint on the part of Ben and Laurence to not put a vine boom there
The Lego Death Star in this movie is NOT the Return of the Jedi Death Star!
funny as hell when tony's like, "c'mon let have it," and forces the kid to give the suit and all its hidden goodies back. lmfao
welcome back lads!
I always forget that you guys go on holiday in January because you have upside down weather
This film felt more like Miles' debut comics in the Ultimate Universe, with Ned as Ganke, Liz as Katie Bishop, Vulture as Prowler, and Iron Man as Fury.
Micheal Keaton is definitely Tom’s best villain
9:07 that's YOU also 😂 legit, the MOST accurate yet contradicting thing at the same time
He couldn't even beat Hwhiplash without a suit 🤣
Spider-Man is that kind of guy who would try to fix something that's not broke.
explained the last spider-man perfectly
These videos are just always perfect, right down to the other shows and stories mentioned😂
The working Title for this movie was actually Spider-man: Blue Harvest. Which of course, Blue Harvest was the original working Title for the first Star Wars movie!
Don't lie, Ben and Matt are locked in Maso's basement and only get fed if they edit these for you, they had no choice in coming back in 2024.
Seeing as how Don Cheadle forgot that he spent half of Infinity War in Wakanda, I’d give Gwyneth Paltrow slack for forgetting which movie she showed up at the very end for
If someone were to compile every instance of the boys explaining the sony spiderman deal into a single video, I'd watch that twice mate thats how excited i get when we get the same explanation but in different contexts and intonations and I'm not kidding or being sarcastic here the entire situation is that funny to me.