Will The Universes Merge? - What If Episode 6 Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Episode 6 of Marvel’s What If… asks the question What If Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark? First of all I guess it confirms Tony Stark would continue to be terrible unless subjected to very specific cave and heart-related conditions. It also brings in the likes of Pepper Potts, Chadwick Boseman as Black Panther and the whole country of Wakanda. Thanks for watching our review!
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Tony isn't in the Doctor Strange episode, but he definitely dies in that one too.
“Everyone dies, the end.” - Patrick Star
I mean he destroyed the universe so yeah. Tony definitely did die
@@IcyDiamond
Aww...!
@@Jiad_Joy so technically strange supreme is the ultimate since he destroyed his entire reality including everyone inside of it.
Omg they killed tony!
You bastards!
😂😂😂😂😂
I may be reading too far into things, but as each episode goes by The watcher seems to get 'closer' to the universe he is watching. In the first episodes, he was just eyes in the sky. Then he became a silhouette. The past few episodes he has been shown in that universe in full color. Maybe it supports your theory that he is edging closer and closer to 'stepping in', in a more literal sense? Just a thought.
I noticed this too and i have to say i agree i think with each change in the universe he is becoming more powerful and will eventually break thru and save someone or do something else
That was something I picked up on. But just thought it was to make us used to what the Watcher looks like before an interference.
He is edging
I have to say he also does look sadder In this episode I think.
They're definitely doing that.
You completely forgot the part in Captain Carter where Howard Stark got a vasectomy, killing the unborn Tony
Though completely unseen, a variant of Tony Stark was also one of the demons that Evil Doctor Strange absorbed.
Evil Doctor Strange destroyed his universe, which means his version of regular Tony is also dead.
Naaaah, vasectomys aren't *that* effective. Everybody knows a vasectomy baby, sometimes the tubes just re-heal over time. "Life finds a way," and that includes un-doing vasectomies, actually
@@Guruc13y'know what really punctuates a silly joke well? A reminder that the only way I can truly remove myself from the gene pool is with a healthy dose of death. Thanks Chris, you're a gem.
@@harryallsopp9136 Hey, maybe we'll get lucky and develop post-vasectomy sperm antibodies. It's rare, but *that* sounds permanent
It is crazy how they recorded this b4 Chadwick boseman died, and yet every appearance he gets closer and closer to death, and then in this episode hes actually in the after life
**snorts coke** what if... WHAT IF!
**scratches nose** they totally killed Chadwick, he uncovered something evil done by Disney
I had a theory that Chadwick (and probably everyone else) had at least some input on the scripts, and he probably knew by that point.
mason: "andy serkis was more restrained in age of ultron"
serkis in ultron: "cUTtleFiSH!"
Fun Fact: Mick Wingert not only substitutes for Robert Downey Jr. for various Marvel projects, but also for Jack Black for many Kung Fu Panda games & shows. Something he also shares with fellow Iron Man voice actor Eric Loomis.
That is a fun fact
In terms of voice actors and their roles, what voice actor would have the best suicide squad on a standard sized football field. (Like this guy would have this iron man and kung fu panda. Mark Hamill would have the joker and skeletor ect.)
@@calvinvogt4396 Probably Frank Welker. He's voiced over 2000 characters & is one of the go to guys to voice everything from cute critters to giant monsters. e.g. Slimer, Godzilla, Garfield, Abu, Curious George, Ravage, Nibbler, The Gremlins & Scooby Doo.
He also voiced characters such as Megatron, Soundwave, Odin, Ralph the Security Guard, Fred Jones, Chernabog & Malebolgia, just to name a few.
I literally said during the episode 'why does he sound like Jack Black?'... thats crazy, good on that dude
@@calvinvogt4396 I mean Nolan North has a bunch of cool superheroes up his sleeve. Superman, Superboy, Atomic Green Lantern, Cyclops, Iron Man, Deadpool of course... Throw in a Penguin and a Nathan Drake in there..
The watcher still just getting closer and closer. Like he’s not even subtle anymore. He really do just be standing there now
im waiting for him to show up in my house
He straight up looked at Killmonger in this episode and I swear he noticed
Next episode he gonna be breathing down the main characters’ neck lmao
He’s not The Watcher anymore, he’s the “Stand next to you Stare-er”
He gonna be that guy stand across the street infront of your home and munching popcorn and subtle flickring roadlight
Missed opportunity: Rhodey should have looked like Terrance Howard, but sounded like Cheadle
🤣🤣🤣
That would have been amazing.
Or like a mix like hulk
Although there would have been a TON of legal issues to deal with it would bave been absolutely HILARIOUS.
Next time baby! Remember according to Terrence, 1+1 = 3
Would’ve been hilarious if they managed to get Terrance Howard back to record lines
This
While using Cheadle's appearance
Haha unfortunately I think that bridge has been burnt forever, like with Ed Norton
Terrence Howard would just complain not getting paid enough
I definitely think it would have been funny to design Rhodie after Terrence Howard in this episode
It was hard to like this in the void of space, but I got it done
You big damn hero you.
Pointdexter!
Michael B Jordan’s “Wakand Forever” was probably one of the worst line reads in the show
I knowwww, both times I couldnt help but giggle...
Like I hate it
It's almost like he didn't actually mean it
@@exzyyd392 true,
@@exzyyd392 if you mean the character, sure, but he's supposedly great at acting like he does and lying in general...
The Watcher is obviously talking to all the pointdexters floating around in the void of space.
@Shoenheim Yet you still hold enough interest to watch videos about it and comment under people making innocent jokes to show off your apathy
@@carsonclay2965 fuckin show him geh
Maybe he’s talking to one Poindexter…Ben Poindexter…Bullseye confirmed🎯
@@jfassettx123 he was a really cool character in the show. just hope he gets a good design for whenever he shows up in the mcu
How do asguardian poindexters breath in the void/vacuum of space, just a thought 🤔
I feel like you lose a lot of the tension of wondering if The Watcher will intervene when it’s been clearly established multiple times that Iron Man can die and he won’t give a shit.
Pretty sure The Watcher knows the second greatest threat to Earth is Tony Stark in any universe.
And he shouldnt give a shit
“The Ten Rings are closing in, we have to get out of here quick”
*continue to slowly walk away from conflict*
T’Challa was Black Panther long before the events of Civil War. He didn’t inherit or start being the Panther because his father died. The MCU Wakandan Royal hierarchy is different from the comic version. The King doesn’t have to be the Panther and vice versa. T’Challa took up the mantle when his father retired from the role but T’Chaka remained King.
Does the king abdicate at a youngish age in the comic version? I'm not a comic reader and it seems odd that an elderly man would have to either step down or be the Black Panther into his 60s and 70s should he live that long...
What if the king is too old to be the Black Panther but his son is not ready?
Why was killmonger there to die in the first place it made no sense non of it made sense
@@ricofed439 I imagine any able-bodied member of the royal family would be a likely candidate for Black Panther considering Killmonger was just a nephew to the king. Wakandan women obviously also fight so it probably doesn’t have to be a son/male either.
@@1kbmahan watch the episode and actually pay attention to what's happening lol
There’s still Gamora as Thanos, Ultron/Vision, Party Thor and Iron Man on Sakaar, so it’s gonna be interesting to see how they squeeze all of this (and probably a crossover) into the next 3 episodes
The gamora as thanos and party thor might be separate. The Ultron/Vision is gonna be it's own thing then it becomes over a crossover
If I remember correctly the Ironman in Sakaar episode has been pushed into the second season because they didn't have enough time to finish it
@@Lethal-Protector that makes a lot of sense cause I haven’t seen anything from it other than the lego set
I saw a theory that the Gamora with Thanos armor might be from the same universe as Tony in Sakaar, with Iron Man going further with the nuclear bomb during the end of the first Avengers and using it to kill or harm Thanos, at the cost of being stranded in space (and thus falling in Sakaar eventually). Since Gamora had not abandoned Thanos cause yet, she would follow his path and collect the infinity stones (that's all just a theory though).
Prime MCU universe- tony stark dies doing the snap
Episode 1- the course of Tony’s dads life changes, peggy is no longer around to save howard in the events of agent carter season 1, and so howard dies and tonys never born.
Episode 2-Egos about to destroy the universe, Tony’s going to die
Episode 3-hank pym kills tony
Episode 4-dr strange destroys the universe, tony dies
Episode 5- zombies, tony dies
Episode 6- killmonger saves tony. Tony dies.
He just cant catch a break, can he?
You didn't see the sub name for the series "what if.... we just keep killing Tony"
To be fair, The Ravengers can still stop Ego
@@IcyDiamond they got no fucking chance, if they beat him I'm gonna be super disappointed, I wanted to see what ego's universe would look like
@@diegob798 I also kind of want to see an Evil Peter Quill
Starting to feel like the Watcher is only gonna hint that he might think about possibly considering the idea of maybe sorta kinda interfering at some point in the future if he feels like it
The final episode will be where The Watcher interferes and they call it “What If The Universes Collided”
@@IcyDiamond That sounds amazing.
If the Eternals dont interfere because they answer to the Celestials, what is The Watcher's excuse? Who does he answer to?
In this universe, Ultron is the sentient robot from Rick and Morty who's only purpose is to pass butter and that's as far as it went.
Hahaha 🤣 I’m dying that was fucking hilarious
I just want to make sure that Mason knows that the MCU happens thousands of years in the past with Odin and Thor. If you went back in time, the Celestials may even predate a lot of his ideas that consist of it being the start of the MCU.
13:50 Well, on the What If trailer you can see Captain Carter, Kilmonger, T'Chala Star Lord, Gamora and Party Thor fighting together doing the Avengers circle. Not exactly a secret why these stories are ending without resolution.
Honestly it’s gonna be hard to wrap up literally all of these stories in one episode, helpfully the final episode doesn’t feel crammed
@@IcyDiamond
I mean we are getting a season 2.
So probably follow up next season along with one offs
I'd like to think that is JUST another split in the void as opposed to the usual case of "anime/show opening giving away way more than is warranted" that we will see. A miss direct
But that's just me.
Marvel's What If... all these characters ended up in same room in the last episode just to troll you for the lols?
Killmonger was with them? Shit, I don't get how am I supposed to see him as a savior when he's racist that killed Tony, T'Challa, Rhodey and started World War III in his own universe. Strange at least was tragic and didn't want the destruction he caused believing there was a way to undo absolute point without ruining timeline
kinda unclear on what killmonger's plan actually was but boy did i love him in this one. killmonger canonically being a weeb is also fantastic.
When did he reference anime?
It wasn’t bad, but mostly an opportunity for Michale B Jordan to do voice acting, which didn’t suck
@@IcyDiamond When he was designing the drones with Stark. Tony mentions that's why it shares similarities with a Gundam.
@@IcyDiamond That big ass Gundam style suit he designed, idk how you missed that haha.
@@Bowishadey Oh I don’t watch anime so I didn’t catch that reference lol
When killmongorn of coblin said the iconic line “what are we some kind of suicide squad” I squirted my Mountain Dew of of my nostrils
This is Wanda, I advise not getting killed by her, her magic traps the souls of its victims
@@IcyDiamond she’s got my back
@@aa-jf5gu I loved how they put a damaged tattoo on Zemo’s forehead
The Mountain Dew was portrayed by Mr. Fantastic, played by the actor John Krasinski
I like how they basically made Killmonger evil Batman. Traumatized by the death of his parent as a child in 1992, master tactician, strategist, inventor, and combat specialist by his mid 20's in 2008. Though honestly they probably needed some more rough edges to this arc if it took OG Killmonger another 8 years to put together his plan.
Honestly I’m wondering how he got the information from Obadiah
@@IcyDiamond My guess would be this is one of the changes for this universe. Killmonger's team were sent in to do some wet work on Tony's would-be captures and that's where he got the info from
@@IcyDiamond I think he mentions infiltrating the 10 Rings, so in this universe the US either sent in a more competent team or just in general took them more seriously and Killmonger was clearly looking for the piece for the plan to come together.
A truly evil Batman moment would be if Killmonger had influenced the 10 Rings to make contact with Obadiah to offer to kidnap Tony.
Wow. Great observation!
Considering Batman is one of the most OP broken characters, I didnt particularly like them doing this in this episode. They Gary Stu'd him.
Just started to watch another breakdown and saw this pop up , immediately switched to this
Brilliant
Im going to say that this is the best episode of what if, for Heth Ledgers performance alone
So funny was just watching the Blind Wave reaction to this episode. And one of the people on that Channel as soon as the mech suit pops up that Killmonger wants to build he accidentally says "It's like a Gungan" only to have to correct himself and say Gundam. And then I watch this video right after just to have James also make the same exact mistake and call it a Gungan as well.
The most investing aspect of this episode was not knowing what Kilmonger’s endgame was. Had no idea what he was going to do next half the time.
Yeah I was waiting for him to kill t'chaka
@@varun7323 I know right?
I don’t think zombies are getting a movie. They’re probably going to save them for Secret Wars
I imagine Marvel Zombies will be a segment in a larger film rather than the sole focus. Marvel Zombies is too dark and would require them to make a Marvel movie not totally in canon for it to work and I doubt Disney is willing to break that glass.
@@GreekJR2 i honestly hope its just a solo movie, i think having zombies in the main canon would be weird. I just dont think itd fit well in my opinion
@@GreekJR2 It's also a stupid fking plot line worth little more than a 30m cartoon...
I don't think they'll ever get Marvel Zombies in the main timeline.... Unless a Deadpool 4th wall break about a zombie Deadpool head :3
@@HighWayGaming64 i think if zombies were a plotline in a deadpool movie, it could work
Killmonger and Tony used the "came for the king and missed" line made famous by Omar(Michael K Williams) from The Wire. Michael B Jordan was also in The Wire.
That hit different after losing Michael K Williams, same as the T'Challa scenes all this season
If only Marvel would put as much thought and effort into actual screen writing these days as they do "references."
The Watcher is trying to show off all the cool thing he's seen to the other Watchers like Stan Lee's watcher was doing.
Was the idea of an absolute timeline Variation of cannon characters established in the other ‘What if’s’??
The “Tony Strark” snap never happened, so all events are this nuhlified?
They need to bring in the Living Tribunal
Love that they brought back the mocap joke for Andy Serkis after they already made the same joke for Benedict Cumberbatch 😂
What was the joke?
@@byronsenior6499 I’m confused on the joke as well he’s probably just spouting bs Lol.
@@shortstarwarsessays1842 Glad it wasn't just me.
@@byronsenior6499 In the Episode 4 breakdown at around 4:30 they talk about BC's work as Smaug in the Hobbit ruclips.net/video/oiuzjAaJAF0/видео.html
Honestly King Killmonger vs King Loki and the battle for earth. Wakanda V Asgard it would be epic.
Sounds really one sided to me
Nah wakandans get wiped with the asguard trainees.
@@maker6153 Remember this was the same Wakanda that fought off an invasion of Thanos and the Black Order
@@jakewiththecake2915 Doubt that the Wakandan military is pretty well trained and well equipped
@@mandoreviews7245 I mean Thor could probably solo wakanda if we’re being real and Loki with the spear could just point the big rosy at it I mean there is only so much that humans can do against that kind of power.
I agree with you guys on Tony’s look, I just feel like he has too many wrinkles and lines. Like he’s suppose to be way younger back 2008, but I get why they did it so he could have defined features because it is a cartoon.
His nostrils were always flared out too.
And his eyes were like he was on cocaine half of the time 😂
he looked like one of my ex girlfriends in this version
It's interesting that normally we just get the Watcher's silhouette and at most we've gotten his face but bathed in red light in the void of Strange Supreme's collapsing universe but here we just see his full appearance under normal lighting conditions. It's like he's peering into these universes more deeply instead of watching from a distance like before.
This version of Tony Start feels a lot more superficial, and I think that the change in actors actually helped the episode since the intensity was matched by an overconfidence that caused him to not actually take anything seriously. This is exactly what Tony would be like without his time as a captive and I'm here for it
Yes his character would make jokes at a press conference where many US troops had died the day before. Even Iron Man 1 Tony wouldn’t do that, this series tells way to much jokes so many jokes.
@@shortstarwarsessays1842 There were way too many stupid jokes in the zombie episode
@@budgiecat2885 read the comic there’s a crap ton of jokes in that series throughout
I hope at some point in the future we get a scene with The Watcher and Deadpool where Deadpool asks him if theyre talking to the same audience as each other
any potential fan joke about Deadpool is bad, like this one
I swore in the zombies episode Deadpool was the “how to survive…” narrator when it started
If this is truly a What if they should bring in Sun Vulcan.
Tony Stark or 'Starkers' as I like to call him will be coming back for another episode based around Iron Man on Skarr (from Ragnerok). This was confirmed in an interview by Jeff Goldblum and by the Lego set. Interestingly the Goldblum interview may mean RDJ comes back as the voice for that episode, or that he was originally planned to voice the character.
So HISHE essentially predicted one episode for this series
And Lego spoiled it with a set
Sakar no?
@@IcyDiamond Man HISHE is the absolute most unfunny channel on RUclips, some of the worst jokes I’ve ever heard.
Jeff Goldblum assumed that RDJ would come back because Iron Man is in the episode. Unlike most animated TV shows What If is recorded seperately.
The watcher is definitely taking to us. Like you guys said, that’s how it is in the comics. He’s aware of where he’s at
It’s hard to reach with no propulsion, eh?
Sounds like you've never read a comic.... every character has an inner monologue, telling the reader exactly what they're thinking.... but they are not speaking directly TO the reader. Except Deadpool and a couple others of course.
The way mason mocks James’ “IT IS!!” broke me😂😂
when? i didn’t catch it. thanks
@@Noone-jn3jp 5:59 👍🏼 lol
This episode was great for heath ledgers performance alone
I hope he earns an Oscar for his role as Corn of Coblin
This series has been a huge miss for me, nothing is really sticking with me, BUT if I had to pick a favorite episode, I'd have to say The Dark Knight for Heath Ledger's performance alone
Why so serious?
Rip Bobby
@@guerrillaprod0 to be fair, Bobbys run peaked with The Hurt Business
When the season finishes up, you should rank the professional voice actors who take over the roles from MCU actors who didn’t return.
I wasn't expecting to see Tony Stark die from a spear to the shoulder so quickly
Why does it sound like you got a different voice actor to play Mason? Is it because of that cold he had a few weeks back? Also, kudos for correctly pronouncing Mark Millar's name finally! That actually really cheered me up!
Only part I didn't like was when Killmonger tossed the bomb like a football.
Right? I was just like....are bombs that lightweight??
What if….bombs were like footballs
@@r520jr8 episode 9 leaked
@@imaginefun13 nah Micheal B Jordan is just that strong 💪
He's a pretty buff dude and Stark tech has made better than standard tech.
I can't help but get the feeling that the whole multiverse opening up is a way for popular MCU main continuity characters to have a means to be resurrected if they die in their debut movie or are very well received in their What If appearance. The obvious example of Killmonger stands out, or Captain Carter, but barring a real life death of an actor (RIP Boseman), this is a convenient plot device to include ostensibly dead characters in future films.
That’s exactly what we need in these films! Death so far has famously had irreversible consequences
Keep Killmonger dead
@@J.O.R.D *pushes glasses up nose*, well, actually, we technically don't see him die for sure, so we could see that T'Chala did use a magic bead thing later...
Honestly though the whole "I'd rather die than live in chains" thing seemed a bit odd when as far as I could tell he didn't actually break any Wakandan laws?
@@By_MichaelMcDevitt Why would you want a character like Tony to come back to life. It would completely cheapen everything that built up to his death and what it meant.
@@Eightsixseven23224 but this way it wouldn’t be the same Tony. This Tony still gets his whole arc,but then Tony is back.
To add on to the the Michael B. Jordan likes anime easter egg, he also voices the main character in Gen:Lock which is a mech show. Sorry, Gundam Style.
The Watcher should talk more like James.
“interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting.”
As much as I would love a live action Marvel Zombies film/series I just don’t see Disney/Marvel putting that kind of money into what would probably be a non main line MCU adventure. Though I could see them working in Zombies in to a future movie. Kind of like how elements of Planet Hulk are squeezed into Thor: Ragnarok
Or at the very least an animated film/series as I imagine that is cheaper cast wise.
"Planet Hulk are squeezed into Thor: Ragnarok" - What? I think you'll find it's the other way round, elements of Ragnarok were _forced_ into the Planet Hulk storyline.
Every time the Wakanda music or Killmonger’s theme came on was just ✨chef’s kiss✨
the watcher doing the “had to do it them” pose at the beginning iconic
The ending of this episode felt like a
huge bait to see if fans want to see more in the future.
I hate that, I'd rather see more right now
Yeah I feel like this and Ep5 weren't full stories. Captain Carter had a beginning, middle and end, same with the Guardians and Dr. Strange ones. This and the Zombies episode stopped before the story was over.
I have a feeling that something's gonna happen in the last episode to merge some of the dangling story threads from previous episodes (Zombie Thanos, Killmonger, etc.) into one massive finale.
@@theautisticguitarist7560 The Guardians episode ended with Ego meeting Peter Quill, Captain Carter ended with her getting stuck in the future. I would even consider the Dr. Strange ending open-ended, since he's technically still alive and the Watcher actually interacted with him.
@@barryallen871 technically Cap ended with her in the present, ego is more a post credit, and Dr. Strange pretty conclusively has an emotional ending to that particular. My problem with the zombies one is that it ends before they have the chance to do basically anything, and this one feels like the prequel to Shuri iron heart fighting Kilmonger Black Panther and I'm sorry BUT SHOW ME THAT I REALLY WANT TO SEE IT.
@@theautisticguitarist7560 By Future, I meant Captain Carter's future. Her present is in the 1940s, hence me saying she was stuck in the future. Ego may have seemed like a post-credits but it happened at the end of the episode, not post-credits. I agree about Dr. Strange having more of a definitive ending, I only referenced it because I'm pretty sure it's not the last we see of that character.
I'm sure we will get a conclusion to this past week's episode eventually. There is footage of Shuri and Pepper fighting together that weren't in this episode. They may go back to all of them eventually.
His outfit is based on OG first half of Season 1 of DBZ Vegeta.
It's such a good looking suit!
Huh. I see it!
That zoom in from iron man to what if is crazy 🔥
Killmonger’s plan made absolutely no sense and I loved every second of it. You can really see the difference between a v young Killmonger in 2008 v a Killmonger that has an ACTUAL plan in 2016
Hes just going for it in 2008
He wanted Wakanda to be against the US as he viewed them as the prime example of the racial divide that he wants to violently focus on. He knew king tchaka wouldn’t be around much longer and that he would be the prime candidate to take his place. From there he would more easily convince the rest of wakanda to arm poor communities around the world like in the movie since that motive was driven into wakanda after the US tried to attack. The plan was totally there, most of the episode was just the set up for it
@@coldfusion1679 damn you just put it all back together for me and I already loved this episode haha
Were you even watching the episode? Made no sense?
It was dumb throughout....how the heck does killmonher know how to "erase" Jarvis's memory? They talk about shutting down a next generation ai as if all you need is to hit Shift+Delete. Also, Tony didn't think it prudent to save literal video evidence of killmonger's murders somewhere else? And how did killmonger know the sonic waves would disrupt the black panther suit?
The watcher is talking to the actor John Krasinski to convince him that Reed Richards (aka Mr. Fantastic from the Fantastic 4) is the missing link in all these universes.
Doubt it have you ever seen Reed Richards that man tends to find a way to fuck up everything for no reason despite the fact he's supposed to be one of the smartest men in the entire world. At least that is how things go in the comics a majority of the time.
@@wisewolftony he's mocking the idiots who were going theory cracking crazy when WandaVision was airing 🤣 don't mind him
This what if I was liking till the “twist” which to me was the plot of black panther with iron man 1 bits in it, would liked to have Killmonger and Tony to stay team up still at the end. It’s like the ending Shurri just has to show her dad that footage and like it’s over for him. Like how is this an issue for her to go behind everyone to work with pepper? Like just show your mom and dad the evidence trick Killmonger to take the black panther serum out and kick his ass it’s soooooo simple..And for tony to stay in danger even with his cocky nature would figure he’d had a back up plan to send a recording of Killmonger killing him to everyone to show his true colors like being able to destroy Jarvis when ultron couldn’t I just can’t believe the leaps made to get the ending the writers wanted.
Maybe she could only find that evidence in America and she will tell her parents about it later
@@IcyDiamond that girl character who said “WHAT ARE THOSE” is the absolute worst character in the MCU, if she becomes black panther like idk man I don’t think people will like that.
@@shortstarwarsessays1842 I think she will become Black Panther
That final scene was tacked-on as shit. It was so weird and awkward. Last thing we saw from Shuri is her saying she trusts him. Major missing scene, I mean shit, all they would have needed is a quick shot of her giving Killmonger a bit of side-eye when he jumped off the balcony to convey that she still had doubts. We all understand tv show shorthand like that.
@@IcyDiamond Yes the movie sucked but that’ll make the sequel even worse.
I do think that the trade off for this episode was very fast pacing giving way for a lot of content and ideas at the sacrifice of fully satisfying moments and character beats.
I enjoyed this episode for sure with the dialogue and scene set ups being very well crafted but I would say on the whole I have preferred episodes of this series that have taken the time to slow down and focus in on situations spinning out from the alternate choices.
One feature I wish I'd coined earlier is there are clearly some shots in this for the art book collection for the series/to sell prints and I try to spot them every week.
I feel like Tony Stark would have had a contingency should he had failed to kill Kill Monger. I feel he would have probably set the home to explode using a secret word for Jarvis. Something like that.
Stark's too arrogant and full of himself to have contingency plans. It's completely in his character to think he wouldn't lose.
@@SA80TAGE That isn’t true at all. I’m pretty sure he has even said the word “contingency” in his movies before. The trends with him seemed to depend on how much he respects his opponent. So I guess that is still arrogance in a way like he normally is. If he thinks he is going up against something he doesn’t think he has figured out, then he forms them. But I can see why he didn’t respect Kill Monger. He didn’t respect him but then realized what he was dealing with and respected him more in death.
@@sauce8277 but I think this is a version of Stark who has stayed lazy and much too arrogant, because he never had a near death experience
@@philcorrigan5641 You could be right. Smart doesn’t mean open.
@@sauce8277 You misunderstand what I mean.... he made no contingency plan against Ultron going full Hal9000 would be the best example I can think of. In his arrogance he thought everything would just go the way he wanted to, and had no contingency plan for when it didn't. Planning ahead and having contingency plans aren't the same thing. Stark is great at planning ahead (kind of), but not so great at expecting failure and planning for it, because his arrogance won't let him believe he could fail.
Just amazing how far ahead Marvel is of DC at this point, and how far they can still go. The bright side for DC is that Marvel is at least laying down the multiverse ideas already, so DC doesn't have to do that, if they ever want to try Crisis on Infinite Earths or whatever.
DC did the multiverse first and also already did Crisis on Infinite Earths
@@tuffdude7795 Yes, I meant in the films. I suppose I should have clarified that.
@@ChadRMacDonald Hopefully they use the foundation they already created in the Arrowverse. Their multiverse seems to be going in a different direction than Marvels.
@@tuffdude7795 I mean, they may as well use Arrowverse. That side of their media has been far more successful.
I remember thinking how cool it would be to do a Crisis movie with all the actors who ever played Batman or Flash or Superman, and Arrowverse sorta did that, and it's rumored Flash will too.
Way back when, before DC had started, I thought it to be a good idea if they never tried to "catch up" to Marvel as it were.
Instead, they should have started with the heroes already having been around. I mean we all know them, why lead us through the death of the Waynes yet one more time?
They should have kicked off with the Justice League already up and running. Take cues from the animated series.
The Suicide Squad movie would have been the perfect way to kick opff the DCEU. Have the famous heroes mentioned, but not show up.
@@tuffdude7795 The Arrowverse Hahahahahahahahaha
13:16 yeah wow maseau's prediction came true
I've been a long time fan and i just purchased the Big Sandwich. Listening to the Endgame commentary now. It's giving me something to do on a Friday night when im stuck at home with my disability (real life mutant born with an extra bone in my spine). You guys really make me feel less alone. Can i be the official Chiari 1 mutant of the podcast?
Kill monger having that hairstyle and being in the navy in 2008 is jaring for me, its wierd they didnt give him a 2008 haircut
He's a trailblazer, I guess? And then he stuck with it for a decade? A very confident man.
I think it would’ve been really interesting if Tony killed Killmonger during their fight and then became a full-size supervillain
Tony Stark dying must be some sort of a Absolute Event. It doesn't matter when or how, Tony must die before a certain point on the timeline.
Stark's goatee looks like the Rebel Alliance logo from Star Wars and now i can't unsee it.
I agree with episode 7 being when the timeline converges. Party Thor doesn't seem good enough to carry an entire episode, although it will be fun.
We need a what if drakov wins and brainwashed black widow and has an avenger under his control. That would be a really cool concept
In What if...? Season 2 there will be an episode based on the black widow film
@@SnyderBro2029 if it’s my idea that they do. I’m gonna be like I CALLED IM BETTER THAN THE SIMPSONS CREATOR lol
I’d love to see an episode where Hawkeye actually acts like a top tier spy assassin shield agent. Maybe taking a similar role to black widow in the murder mystery episode. Or y’know he’d just get killed instantly……..
@@pianomanstreams lol
Tony Stark looks like Johnny Drama in this episode. Also, Collings did an amazing job editing this video.
These videos are the only watchable version of the Marvel What If series
During the drone design/reveal Killmonger says the words "I like anime" to Tony Stark about the design & appearance of the drones. Just saying 💚 have a great weekend chaps.
A What If,, where Hammer became Ironman would be good.
They've done enough character swaps already.
This month has had two MCU references to anime. Dragon Ball in Shang-Chi and now Gundam.
Never thought I'd live to see Gundam called out on a Marvel production.
This series is becoming to be "What if the heroes lost?" with the exception of T'Challa as Star Lord and Captain Carter episodes.
Ego
Thats the point of most What ifs. Cause like, we know what happens if they win, we get the marvel movies we've been watching the last few years
Since they always win...why not look at these things with a different outcome? Also, they aren't constantly loses. For most of this, battles are lost but the war hasn't been won.
Here's a dark timeline that's a lot more interesting than the last couple we saw, though I felt as if it cut off just when the story was getting the most interesting.
i pray to every god that you actually look like your profile picture
@@loopeygoopey hahahahahah your not alone. You can tell that a zombie apocalypse or the deletion of an entire reality, are not dark enough timelines for this tough lookin sum bitch
I agree with the OP about the story cutting off before it got interested but I couldn’t agree more with Lucid Grip 😂🤣🤣
@@loopeygoopey It's not a great picture but I am an ugly old cuss.
@@MattMcIrvin you're not ugly my man
You look badass
Killmonger was dead-set at the bottom of my Marvel Villains list, and after this interpretation, he jumped right up there. Dude was scary.
😂 multiple videos say something to the effect of him being the best villain. but i agree with you except my opinion remains unchanged
@@Noone-jn3jp I can respect that, I for one can definitely see what makes him pretty boring. Just the whole "Imagine Moriarty but who can also beat the shit out of you, and there's no Sherlock to stop him" was a pretty cool concept to me, one which was a bit more explored here.
Showing Killmonger getting everything coming up roses for his plans really made me want to see what he'd do when Thanos comes around but I suppose that would be too far in the future to get to in one 20 minute episode.
Yes, presumably Loki is still going to meet Thanos and try to conquer Earth, so it would be interesting to see how the events of The Avengers would happen without Tony and with an open Wakanda warring the world
He'd die just as easily as anyone else. He's just a sociopath, no more, no less.
I feel like the reason Tony and the rest of the main Avengers die so often in these is that, well, these What ifs are scenarios where shit goes sideways mostly and shit would go sideways if the Avengers died. That simple. Like, if they wanted the Avengers to win, then its just a normal Avengers movie, nothing surprising about it.
Probably why Spider-man died so much in the What If comics too
There are two What if..? Lego sets, the first is Captain Carter and the Hydra Stomper from episode 1, the second however is a Hulkbuster Armour with Valkyrie on Sakaar, when are we getting that..? Obviously not had that yet, and I didn't see anything like that in the new trailer.. but there's definitely a team-up between Captain Carter, Gamora and others in it!
It’s rumoured that the iron man on sakaar episode has been delayed till season 2. So there’s a possibility we might not see it at all this year
We need to see Angela Bassett as the general of the wakandan army!!
I know right? That was such a cool thing to see. Don't fuck with the Queen!
That edit at the beginning was so good!
Cheers Cap!!
I liked how we slowly saw Killmonger’s master plan unfold in this episode
I was really kind of hoping Klaw would get his silly little sonic gun hand from the comics in this one.
Kevin Smith just changed a local restaurant into a Mooby’s here where I live. Second time he’s done it, only for a week or so. I’m from his hometown, so we’ve got the Secret Stash comic book store and Clerks was filmed here in our town.
Poindexter here! I believe that the thing that the watcher is talking to is the watcher’s own recordings. When they watch everything throughout the universe I think they also chronicle everything that happens in the universe including a soliloquy on current events.
The universes will definitely merge - in the mid-season trailer, we see new shots of Ego with Quill, Pepper with Shuri, and some more stuff. I think the last episode will be an hour instead of 35 min, finishing up all the cliffhangers from previous episodes. One of the trailer shots shows Ultron in place of the Watcher, so maybe somehow he visits the Zombie universe to steal the Infinity Stones from Zombie Thanos, so Uatu has to intervene to stop him and take the heroes (and villains) from various universes. Just a theory though!
Don’t forget Party Thor talking to Strange Supreme about zombies
I gotta say, as a massive Tony Stark fan, in all forms of media; this show is really beating the shit out of me.
Yeah, he can’t catch a break. Killed brutally over and over.
The random ending are killing me too!
Hyundai Commercial Edit was amazing, well done
did they mention the queen being a former dora milaje? surprised when T'chaka address her as general.
I was surprised, but it makes complete sense, and she looks great in her warrior gear
Shoulda kicked more ass in black panther then
I can’t wait for the episode where Tony Stark goes to Sakkar instead of Thor during Thor: Ragnarok!!! Iron Man: Planet Hulk!!
I think that episode might’ve been pushed to season 2
@@maxjacobson7054 it probably is. We still need the party thor episode
The episode where gamora is dressed like thanos
The team up episode
Then theres other things from trailers like ego and peter in the dairy queen and pepper with Shuri running down a hallway
@@johnnytee911 oh ok.
The 30-ish minute runtime of each episode was always going to leave the audience wanting more by the end. That said, I've been pretty entertained and satisfied with all the episodes so far. Like many I would like to see a follow-up to a couple of these episodes. At the same time I recognize the whole point of the show is to take a peak into different universes and see how familiar scenarios play out differently. I welcome follow-ups, but I'm also interested in seeing what other ideas the writers have in store beyond that.
This was my 2nd favorite episode of What If..? My 1st is The Dark Knight, for Heath Ledger's performance alone.
"Mommy? Sorry. Mommy? Sorry. Mommy? Sorry."
~Me when Ramonda started fucking up those robots
I don’t find this joke particularly funny at all.
@@dwaynetherickscanchez3160 it’s the worst, laziest TikTok meme ever, and that’s saying something
Sowwy 👉👈
Hands down my favorite episode so far
Watch Party Thor royally screw up something at one of his parties (I.e. breaks a magical artifact), which causes the multi-verse crossover.
Calling it now, that Party Thor episode is “What If Thor never got banished?”
For the guy who knows everything about anime, you sure can't say Gundam.