if anyone watch what happened to the MMA fighter after challenging the wing chun master. the MMA fighter got black listed from the Chinese community and government. If he wanted to fight live in TV or any tournament he had to paint his face second, he lost his gym (that he owned) and everything with it. Him taking this challenge and showing what the old wing chun is not helpful in modern times. there was a documentary of this dude and this guy sacrifice everything, its crazy just to prove that MMA if most effective technique in present times.
Um, 🤔 isn't Boxing and MMA rules made for weight equality matches? Right, so why do people expect shoa Dong to possibly lose against opps half his size?
kungfu and many traditional martial arts have no rules, all rely on speed or accuracy, only a few rely on strength. even kicking, hitting, stabbing forbidden parts in modern martial arts rules are allowed for traditional martial arts, because traditional martial arts are teachings in street fighting to defend themselves, which have no rules in them, so it may be difficult for them to control their habits to follow the rules.. so, talking about which martial arts is the best is, it depends on you use your martial arts, in the Fighting Cage, or on the Street.
1:35 When a Tiger is taught MMA - They will Praise MMA When a Tiger is taught Grappling - They will Praise Grappling When a Tiger is Taught Kung Fu - They will Praise Kung Fu ... But when a Mouse is taught MMA - They will cry out "MMA Does not work" ... But when a Mouse is taught Grappling - They will cry out "Grappling surely does not work" ... But when a Mouse is taught Kung Fu - Then they will say "Kung Fu doesn't work" Put Kung Fu in the right hands... And you will see the Legends come alive...
They would still lose. Wing Chung sometimes works against non fighters. If it worked in MMA people would use it in MMA. They don’t because it doesn’t work.
@@DOW9925 It is gaining a lot of traction in MMA. But even in the past MMA ighters incorporated wing chun to their repertoire (ever heard of Eric Paulson?). Modern wing chun is quite different from what you see in this video.
@@DOW9925 What you see in this film isn't Wing Chun as you'd use it in a real [street] fight. Besides the fact that the techniques they use are really bad, they're also not going all out. It seems like the fighters in this video are afraid to really give their all to win. The way these people use Wing Chun, my grandma could beat them :-P. You also don't see the principles that Wing Chun is built upon here. I also think you're dealing with people who may have learned Wing Chun, but never really trained for practical application. That's a huge difference. We've trained and sparred with other Wing Chun schools a few times. Some schools were very strict about the techniques. We also learn to actually use Wing Chun for real-world situations. The techniques of people from those other schools were sometimes much better than ours, but they couldn't apply them well in real fights. I think that's also at play in this video with these Wing Chun masters. You're right that Wing Chun is a fairly limited style at its core. That has its advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is that you can easily apply the most effective basic techniques [I don't really see those techniques here]. The disadvantage is that you can run into problems in some situations, especially on the ground when fighting against a sport where ground work is built in from the beginning. I disagree that Wing Chun doesn't work, or doesn't work against MMA fighters. But it only works if you give it your all and not in a way like it's shown in this video. What @vitkovitsmate7281 also says... Wing Chun is evolving and becoming more complete. There are now many styles that look nothing like what you see in this video.
I don't agree. Imagine that you have to fight. The rules of the fight allow you to use practically any technique. But if you lose, you can lose millions of dollars, your reputation and even make a fool of yourself in front of millions of people. How would you fight? We already have the answer. This happens in regular basics. Watch any UFC fight.
I used Wingchun in two real life attacks against me 10 years apart. Honestly, I musk confess that , then I immobilized the attackers using different techniques (Aikido/BJJ - I didn’t go to the floor though), but I started with WING CHUN! And I am no master/sifu. It works, when properly applied. These “masters” seemed had never really went against a full willing opponent!
That’s not important, my friend. In the street you could meet a stupid guy who wants to take your money and he never train himself at the gym. He is just too much self confident, he always take money to the people by scaring them and that always works for him, but he is not a fighter at all and maybe when you meet him he also slept badly because he has been all night at the disco and he smoked a joint ten minutes ago. Against a stupid guy like that, you can easily use Wing Chun like my grand mother can easily slap his face, and you and my grandmother will win the fight. But the problem is: what if you meet a guy who has been training himself at the boxing gym 3 times a week for 3 years, he slept well, he doesn’t smoke and he is ready to fight to take your money? Here in Rome there are guys like that and using martial arts against them can help you to go to the hospital.
Always sad to see comments about MMA vs Wing Chun. When I was looking to learn marital arts I asked a few different advanced martial art students what would be the best technique to learn if I wanted to defend myself in a real world situation and was not willing to spend a decade studying the art. Almost all of them said Wing Chun! It is not a fancy entertaining style like what the MMA crowd is looking for but it is extremely deadly in real world situations and unlike many other forms you can spend only 3-4 years and become very effective against most opponents. First of all take a look at any video where a student from another Art form visits a Wing Chun class. The first comment you will hear is that the arms and Legs of advanced students are like Steel. Yeah this is because that Wooden Dummy we use is Brutal. From the very first week I started practicing with it up until the last week I was in agony from striking it. The great part was that after a year of pounding on it, I found that a bone to bone blow from another fighter felt mild in comparison. Second thing is that there is almost no backing away in Wing Chun, it is a make contact and keep contact form where you feel the opponents movements and move with them using various techniques in offense and defense simultaneously. Your main goal is to devastate the Persons head and neck and end it quickly. All of these strikes become muscle memory and most of them are not legal in the MMA, so it is pointless to even enter a contest. I can tell you from my own experience that it is a very effective technique for real world situations where someone comes in close looking to hurt you. The tremendous power and speed behind those small movement hits we learn coupled with the very tough hands and arms you develop are very effective at breaking someones neck or jaw.
I agree with you. All things that are useful and immediately effective in Wing Chun are banned in MMA, so it's pointless to make WC practitioners into the ring! Same is to Aikido. MMA fighters who are proud of their power in the ring with guarding gears, just watch Aikido Sensei Tamaki in Jesse Enkamp video explaining "the frame" in MMA. Wing Chun and Aikido, they are not fighting art, they are survival art.
Nobody cares about a wooden dummy. I practiced wing chun, then jkd and now boxing. A real opponent is not standing still with his arms stuck in the air like a wooden dummy. You can practise chisao as much as you want. You see it in the videos, it will not make you block quick hooks and overhands. Wing chun is ineffective and it has no knock-out power in its punches. Bruce lee took 60% of boxing into his JKD.
Wdym survival arts , so it's not overall? How about survive inside a ring with rules Yes, without rules we know all combat or martial arts are deadly but the difference is in competive sport, u need to be smart once u step on that ring, you're not against wooden dummy or normal people. But a hunger person who well trained for years to knock people out. Yes u have a good technique but if it's not effective, you are done. That's the main point of that competition, they show us who's better, winner, lose or draw Is it not the same if we apply it outside the ring..win u live, lose u died? Man, There's some fighter who put their life and died inside those ring. That small cage/ring also a battlefield people just don't see it.
@@mawallildmezander9093 I guess your not getting the point. WC is not a Flashy kind of martial art that has any kind of entertainment value. It's offensive use is designed to be lethal, going primarily for the Face, Throat and Eyes in a relentless attack that is designed to be quick and effective. Most of it's defensive moves are not large sweeping moves, they are in close moves that keep you in contact with the opponent in order to create openings for more attacks.
@@Viewpoint314 fr if you place the lead hand slightly high, it's good tool for bong sau, lap sau and allows you to do a bunch of counter strikes even set takedowns. Wing Chun in grand master level has varieties of guards including short guards + slightly wide stance. But if your lead hand is lower like the traditional way, then I don't know what to say, you're most likely to block with your face.
yeh thats what i first thought when i saw the first man standing movie pose lol.. it seems like he never had a real fight in street with strangers ..it's not how things work in real life. but thats fun anyway
@lebaneseanimation the main thing makes Kung Fu cheap and useless is the movies. When you look at almost everyone, they do Kung Fu because of the movies. There are only a few people who trains Kung Fu with a true spirit and when you look at them, they're always a fighters who can actually fight, while the ones who train because of movies can't fight.
'Real life', 'raw power", no rules and pain. MMA fighters have not real life experience, have raw power, but have rules but he have boxing gloves. Decent fighters can not win without eyes, breath and balls (no matter who I offend). I think the winner, who can give better pain to the other. Whose eyes would you gouge out??? This is just a showcase where wing tsun cannot win.
@@Altimit1417 In a one vs one hand to hand fight,no guns and no blades,if I was a betting man I'd put my money on the Professional fighter. They can also incorporate the dirty tricks. As for Wing Chun,it seems as if a couple of UFC fighters might have incorporate a thing or 2 from it into their MMA fights. I guess a couple of them have enough knowledge and athletic ability to incorporate it into the other stuff they train in.
Yep Bruce Lee did other Martial Arts because he needed Flashy Moves in order to get into exhibitions and Movies. The Audience would have been bored out of there mind with the 2 Second fights that happen in Wing Chun. Here is a great example of Bruce Lee going from using other techniques back into Wing Chun. ruclips.net/video/tyIp7mJC55I/видео.html Only if your getting Hit by WC or watching it in Slo Motion can you appreciate the Speed and Power.
If you allow Wing Chun those moves, the MMA is also allowed to use them too. Based on this fight, it looks like the MMA would use them more effectively
It's because when you teally get punched in your unskilled ching chang wing chung bungo bongo face your so-called principals are for the schlongus when your arse gets the takedown. You watched too many of these scheit Ip Man movies.
Wing Chun is good, but not against trained people with 1 strike knock out punch in MMC which is very common, or even tapped out or ground attack. Bruce Lee once say, "I fear not the man who practice 10000 different kicks, but 1 kick 10000 times"
The problem with Kung fu is that they focus on forms and stances, I mean it's good but when they get hit all of the forms will thrown out of the windows.
@@Frostykid94It depends on what your school approach is. For sure something like JKD is more RL oriented, but forms are just a teaching tool not the goal of a good KF practitioner.
Indeed, Bruce Lee said, “Be like water, it takes the shape of a vessel and has no specific form. 1:17 It is clear that the Wing Chung player does not wear boxing gloves, so he does not intend to deliver real punch. On the other hand, the MMA player does not have the skill to protect his face even if he faces a player.” Wing Chung intends to harm him and cause him permanent disability 4:00 The MMA player studied the weaknesses in the opponent's style and outperformed the close minded opponent Many other scenes don't show real Chinese skills
No it's possible if opponent is observant like a hawk and agile enough to determine weak points. These opponents whom were called masters are not truly masters. Getting a belt doesn't make one a master, it takes years of self discipline, training the body and mind and learning the art of finding weak points and laying opponents flat. Traditional martial art schools don't encourage fights against other styles or rabid heavyweight boxers/fighters or those using weapons. That's where the art is trained and tested for killing moves. These are not masters but still students. Had these "boxers" fought a true warrior of medieval ages, they would have reached near death situation as the attacks were genuinely trained to kill the opponent.
I've trained Wing Chun for several years and I haven't seen any proper Wing Chun move. I would like to see some old school master like Wong Shun-leung or one of his students to fight any fighter on the street or in the club(close quarters) in bare knuckle fight. To qualify as good first punch - it has to make mechanical failure, like broken yaw, broken knee, eyes gorged out or punch in the throat or kick in the groin. That is what Wing Chun is made for. It is true martial art. Most of other stuff is sport...combative sport, but still only a sport with rules. Wing chun has no rules...if you can you can bite opponents head off (like some Venom/Alien move).
The training in a martial arts school is geared towards preparing you to fight a regular person, not an elite fighter. Gives the Wing Chung fighters at least 6 months training with a high protein diet and weight lifting with regular sparring and these fights would look different.
i guess, the attacks, that wing chun fighters normally would use (throat, eyes and so on) are forbidden in a fight like that, so that is, why it is weak.
@heikomiller888 if Wing Chun guy is allowed to use those moves, the MMA would be allowed to use them too. Chances are that the MMA would use them more effectively
@@emancoy being allowed to use something doesn't mean you can use it as effectively as it is not something you are trained in. It is all about the fighter, never the art.
9:55 What is that? Our Wing Tsun practices harder than what we see in this video here and there... I can't see those "masters" really use therir techniques with full power. Where are the throat punches, eye atack, ground fights?
That sounds like KOTS. "King of the Streets is an illegal European-based fight club known for its no-rules policy." There are no long fights, because everything is legal, except groin strikes I think. Eye-gouging, no gloves, small-joint manipulation, fish-hooking, stomps to the head and throat, fighting on solid concrete, and no breaks. Simon "The Savage" Henrikson only has a couple fights that lasted over 10 seconds, and there are some good Lethwei practitioners who clean house in there too. I'd say that it is the wildest fighting promotion out there.
@@willr1796how much Wing Chung have you practiced or seen implemented in MMA Some pac sau is not a bad thing.. These smaller guys going against a big man isn't a good example of Wing Chung or even good Wing Chung practitioners....here we have good wing Chung. Like all other arts.. none are perfect. Hence why we have a thing called MMA these days.
@willr1796 that's exactly what I said, yet you're not listening and it's because it does not fit your narrative.. there's bad wing Chung practitioners.. there's bad boxers.. there's guys who are sixty pounds heavier and have the weight advantage. Obviously,you need reading glasses or a new prescription as I have already said that I'm training in kickboxing and found a place that is Wing Chung that pressure tests and using different things and mixing up what works,does work... Say you never have been to a Wing Chung place or trained a day in it without saying that. Selective reading makes you a dishonest person.
@@willr1796 You're talking out your arse, because you've never seen or known a real wing chun master. Research a little more before you go farting out your mouth! You'd be wise not to be so taken in by these youtube videos!
This does not prove anything except that a welltrained person will defeat an untrained. What does the ”MMA” guys want to prove? What conclusions should we draw if we would exposed an MMA beginner to a senior MMA practitioner. As someone commented before, there were not hardcore WC masters.
It proves that a lot of those "kung fu experts" are actually frauds. And also that since MMA literally means "mixed martial arts" it is better than other ones since you can mix any style you want.
Hmmm. i was there for the fourth fight. It was in Pattaya, Thailand. The guy is a Salat fighter and not Wing Chun. He at that time, was doing a lot of demo fights. Salat is a great striking style.
Those wing chun fighters are too slow and not blocking accurately, which causes him to get hit. Then that leads to a chain of punches from the MMA fighter. Just a lack of fighting experience I would say is why Wing Chun loses over and over.
Me too, so I end up mastering Filipino Martial arts instead because of its weaponry and unarmed combat especially if you encorporate it with Boxing, BJJ and muaythai.
Absorb what is useful. Wing Chun blocks and guards are very similar to those used in FMA are similar to those used in 52 handblocks. The footwork and lack of mobility are what really put one at a disadvantage. And also, plenty of MMA trained fighters break metacarpals, get stabbed etc in real self defense. The instinct to go to the floor with opponent will get you kicked in the head by multiple assailants on the street. And even some of the great MMA used only enough to mostly keep the fight on their feet, Lidell comes to mind. Many ways to win in MMA and on the street.
@UnjustVerdict learning to sprawl and avoid armdrag etc is important. That said, MMA is sport fighting and won't help much if you are fighting multiple attackers, someone that outweighs you by 30lbs of muscle or has a pipe or knife in their hand. If you're fighting one other person your approximate weight in a cage with hand protection, no eye gouging, no weapons, yeah its the way to go. On the street, mobility is the number one quality. MMA folks at the top of their game break metacarpals, absorb life threatening stab wounds etc. Some elements of MMA are useful, many are not.
@UnjustVerdict I don't do kung fu, but for street I'd highly recommend FMA or Silat with MT kick and kick defense. Tossed in the mix, Wing Chun and 52 handblocks defense. Study enough wrestling to avoid easy take-downs. That said, I do have a friend that studied Preying Mantis, Poekoelan, Shotokan, a little bit of Judo, and he was a bad mofo in a real fight. You get a real instructor that pushes you to pressure test what you know sparring and you won't be any worse off than the average MMA athlete. I'm guessing you've never mixed it up in a real street fight...anything with weight classes and rules is NOT real fighting.
@UnjustVerdict Again, if you're learning MA at a school that doesn't spar hard, go to another school. Teach a 120lb girl ring fighting MMA and she goes up against a 210lb man she'll get killed. Without including eye, throat strikes and weapons training, esp small EW, you're not in good shape in the real world. Street fighting might be stupid, but that's what an assault looks like. If you can walk away from a fight, it wasn't a real fight at all.
You Know , Wing-chun it's a defensive martial art style design to make counters and defend yourself not something to aggressively attack Even Bruce Lee had to modify it to create his own style
Styles like wing chin and tai chi should be final refining art forms. You learn the more heavy karate, mma, crab- magra, jujitsu, and the artform performed by Tony Jackson with elbow strikes and knee strikes and get your body hard and weathered then practice taichi and wing chin forms to polish off the other forms, because once you know how the other strikes are done you will know how to effectively and deftly counter.
It's important to clarify a few things about these "Wing Chun masters vs. MMA fighters" videos. First, none of the so-called Wing Chun practitioners in these fights are true masters. In traditional martial arts, mastery comes with years of dedicated practice, often over decades, and these individuals clearly do not meet that standard. Secondly, MMA fighters are top-tier athletes, trained to excel in a combat sport environment. In contrast, most of the Wing Chun practitioners shown are not professional fighters-they appear to be hobbyists, some of whom don't even seem to maintain basic athletic conditioning. The exception is Qi La La, who is a professional fighter but is severely hindered by lifestyle choices like smoking, which impacts his stamina and competitiveness in professional bouts. This creates an unfair comparison: professional MMA athletes competing against wimpy, delusional Wing Chun hobbyists. No serious Wing Chun practitioner would agree to such a challenge. Wing Chun is a traditional martial art designed for real-world self-defense and lethal application, not sport. There are two key reasons Wing Chun doesn't translate well to MMA: Many of its most effective techniques-such as strikes to the throat, eyes, or other vital areas-are illegal in combat sports. The use of protective gear makes certain techniques and principles difficult or impossible to apply effectively. Sanda (Chinese kickboxing) might be a more suitable platform for Wing Chun practitioners, as its rule set and scoring system are more aligned with traditional Chinese martial arts. However, even then, Sanda is still a combat sport with limitations and protective gear, which inherently alters the application of Wing Chun techniques. Ultimately, these videos misrepresent both Wing Chun and the realities of martial arts training. Comparing a traditional martial art to a modern combat sport without context does a disservice to both disciplines.
Everyone who claims to be a Wing Chun master is not a Wing Chun master at all. They attribute themselves undeserved titles! He just turned 30 and became a Wing Chun master... hahahaha
Use Wing Chun the way, it was developed. It is a technique for a weaker person and because of that, it is defensive and counteroffensive at best. And as a rule of thumb: Never underestimate your opponents punches and never overestimate your kicks. You never sacrifice your cover for an offensive maneuver against a stronger opponent. Let him come. Maintain your cover, lure him into a mistake. THEN strike with all you have. And then repeat.
wing chun is the art of defense, it is expressly used to find the points of contact with the opponent who is advancing, you must block in those points because in addition to landing the single blow you will physically wear him out 🙏🏻
Wing Chun has little chance against an opponent charging at you when you are not allowed to use any open hand techniques. That is why boxing or grappling techniques of some kind work best against a boxer unless you can stop him with a precise kick. If it were a life and death situation and you'd intercept the attacker with finger-jabs to the eyes chances would be quite a lot better. What we see here is like a an expert knife-fencer would perform his best knife moves, but without the knife. Of course that doesn't work. Does that prove that MMA fighters are more dangerous than a fighter with a knife? It is also interesting how these guys are presented as "Wing Chun masters" although I bet nobody here have ever heard of any of them. Probably no more Wing Chun master than I am.
Reason for the loss of alleged "Wing Chun masters" is simple : 1. Boxing is based on brutal onslaught, geared on bearing down on and knocking off the opponent utilizing body size, thereby weight and agility. Wing Chun and any martial art style as such has a specified movement set that is currently only used with an opponent using the same style. Traditional Martial arts now a days are competition centric than attack centric. Deadly combat moves have been removed from the curriculum. Be it Gong-fu or Karate. 2. Boxing doesn't utilize any specific style except with certain restrictions especially with only hits abive waist considered valid. Traditional martial arts at present, again suffers as the move set unfortunately is well defined. Expectation/Perception of incoming attacks varies. 3. Only those who excelled in almost all available attack strategies and motions in traditional martial arts including deadly moves and were able to deploy it in bringing opponents close to death even considered masters. The "masters" here are but specialists in competitive sports. True masters expand horizon of their styles through inventing new techniques making them more freestyle. Here therefore, "a true master" of the artform is not facing a rabid opponent. Conclusion : Martial Art "Masters" trained in deadly combat must be the only ones invited to open combat sports. The title of "master" must involve killing moves. Bruce Lee figured this out early.
It's truly sad that I thought back then, when I practiced Wing Chun thought I could actually fight, just because I saw Ip Man. Now that I'm doing Karate and did some real sparring, I see how hard it is to react to forceful, lightning fast blows.
Quelli di Wing Chun si credono invincibili, ma all'atto pratico capiscono solo all'ultimo che il loro stile è molto limitato ed è buono solo in palestra, con compagni consenzienti o contro chi non sa'combattere, lo dico per esperienza, non ho trovato un praticante di wing Chun che abbia finito un combattimento in piedi 🤣🤣🤣 anche usando le loro tecniche "mortali" 🤣🤣🤣🥋OSU
It's not that Wing Chun is a bad style by itself. But most of its practitioners have had a rigid training history which leaves them unprepared for a broader fight. Wing Chun would fit very well in a broader MMA set when mixed with more techniques from other styles as well.
A part of Jeet Kune Do is Wing Chun. It is for the street, not a ring. I have 52 years in 7 arts so an MMA fighter/BJJ on the street will have one of six things done...blindness, eardrums shattered (if he wants to take me down), hammer fist to the brain stem (if he wants to take me down), and spear or knife hand to the larynx. His groin is fair game also. I teach nothing, but vulnerable spots and making an aggressor the victim. These Wing Chun guys don't understand Yin/Yang and parrying. You never ever back up. This is why a lot of experience in boxing is so important. You add all the best parts of these arts and then progression into quicker, stronger, and simpler strikes, you now have Cuerpo Lital (Lethal Body), my Art launching Summer 2025.
@UnjustVerdict I'd like to see you back your opinion with facts. Saying you're wrong without backing it up with facts sounds like a 3 year old who has been told too much candy is bad for them.
Tyson is an idiot. Everybody has a plan until their eye is gauged out, throat punched, groin kicked or grabbed, or dead hand slapped on the back of the mastoid.
Wing Chun is pretty effective is used properly. These guys get hit once and switch to street fight mode, and that's when they get their butts kicked. Had these guys utilized it properly, they'd have done some damage. If it can be effective in a street fight, I believe, if used properly (and without going primal as soon as hit) it could possibly make it in MMA
I don't like to underastemate any martial art but the only kung fu style which i think it's useful in a real fight is Jeet Kune Do, a fighting system which was created by the legendary Bruce Lee.
It's quite clear, MMA fighter is probably trained in Jujitsu, Judo, Karate, Muay Thai, Kicking Boxing, etc. Wing Chun is not effective against full contact fighters or tough street fighters who are bigger and stronger than you. You have to modify the techniques and training methods.
Wirklich interessant wie hier einige Kämpfe gezeigt werden jedoch NUR welche wo die Wing Chun "Meister" verlieren. Qi La La hat z.B. auch nicht gerade wenige Kämpfe gewonnen. Aber hier wird natürlich eine Niederlage gezeigt. Ich könnte jetzt auch ein Video zusammenstellen wo Wing Chung Kämpfer nur gewinnen. Finde dies jedoch sehr einseitig. Fakt ist auf jeden Fall das es auf den Kämpfer ankommt und nicht auf das System. Ich selber habe Jahrelang Wing Chun trainiert und bin dann um neues zu lernen zum Silat gewechselt und jetzt seit 2 Jahren trainiere ich Kickboxen. Also würde ich jetzt einfach mal aus meinem Standpunkt behaupten es kommt wirklich auf den Kämpfer und die art und Weise an wie er trainiert an. P.s. Ein Kampf zumindest war Silat vs. Wing Chun und nicht gegen MMA. Das war an der Bewegung deutlich zu sehen.
An real Master of Wing Chun or other Fight Arts does not show what he can . He only fight when he must , but than it where better there is nobody ho will only mess with him. Because it can be the last fight for him
😂😂😂😂 it’s like you live in an imaginary world! So you are saying this guy got his arse kicked because he didn’t "want to show what he can do "??😂😂😂😂 complete empty head.
I didn't see even a single wing chun master in the video
Nope
American MMA is unstoppable. American boxing and a little judo or wrestling will go along way.
Haha
Truth 💯💯💯💯
That's because wing chun masters stop looking so masterful as soon as they're thrown into any kind of combat.
if anyone watch what happened to the MMA fighter after challenging the wing chun master. the MMA fighter got black listed from the Chinese community and government. If he wanted to fight live in TV or any tournament he had to paint his face second, he lost his gym (that he owned) and everything with it. Him taking this challenge and showing what the old wing chun is not helpful in modern times. there was a documentary of this dude and this guy sacrifice everything, its crazy just to prove that MMA if most effective technique in present times.
MMA itself is not an fighting style, but mixing all martial arts,
Wing chun is for self defence only not for combat fighting.
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Um, 🤔 isn't Boxing and MMA rules made for weight equality matches? Right, so why do people expect shoa Dong to possibly lose against opps half his size?
kungfu and many traditional martial arts have no rules, all rely on speed or accuracy, only a few rely on strength. even kicking, hitting, stabbing forbidden parts in modern martial arts rules are allowed for traditional martial arts, because traditional martial arts are teachings in street fighting to defend themselves, which have no rules in them, so it may be difficult for them to control their habits to follow the rules.. so, talking about which martial arts is the best is, it depends on you use your martial arts, in the Fighting Cage, or on the Street.
6:20 is not wing chun, it's silat. And if you say the guy in shorts is an MMA fighter, he's the one who loses, not the guy who plays silat.
Yep, totally correct 💯
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When a Tiger is taught MMA - They will Praise MMA
When a Tiger is taught Grappling - They will Praise Grappling
When a Tiger is Taught Kung Fu - They will Praise Kung Fu
... But when a Mouse is taught MMA - They will cry out "MMA Does not work"
... But when a Mouse is taught Grappling - They will cry out "Grappling surely does not work"
... But when a Mouse is taught Kung Fu - Then they will say "Kung Fu doesn't work"
Put Kung Fu in the right hands... And you will see the Legends come alive...
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The only person i have ever come across on internet who understands this is you.
@mystictouch9 until the tiger faces a dragon, nothing that it was taught was applicable. The tiger then worked on itself until it became a dragon.
Tại sao phần lớn những con hổ lại học muay, kick boxing, boxing ... Chứ k học kung fu? Vì họ là những người thông minh và thực tế
Does that mean that everyone studying Kung fu now are mice? Surely there are some Tigers already studying Kung fu that can compete in MMA matches
I don't know where these Wing Chun masters studied Wing Chun. The stance is wrong, elbows are not low, punches not with the elbows low, guard open....
All ccp bull. Master with the tan shirt was standing in a western boxing stance. They pull these fake masters out of thin air!
They would still lose. Wing Chung sometimes works against non fighters. If it worked in MMA people would use it in MMA. They don’t because it doesn’t work.
Btw I studied wing Chung for a while. It’s a very limited fighting style.
@@DOW9925 It is gaining a lot of traction in MMA. But even in the past MMA ighters incorporated wing chun to their repertoire (ever heard of Eric Paulson?). Modern wing chun is quite different from what you see in this video.
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What you see in this film isn't Wing Chun as you'd use it in a real [street] fight.
Besides the fact that the techniques they use are really bad, they're also not going all out. It seems like the fighters in this video are afraid to really give their all to win. The way these people use Wing Chun, my grandma could beat them :-P.
You also don't see the principles that Wing Chun is built upon here.
I also think you're dealing with people who may have learned Wing Chun, but never really trained for practical application. That's a huge difference.
We've trained and sparred with other Wing Chun schools a few times. Some schools were very strict about the techniques. We also learn to actually use Wing Chun for real-world situations. The techniques of people from those other schools were sometimes much better than ours, but they couldn't apply them well in real fights. I think that's also at play in this video with these Wing Chun masters.
You're right that Wing Chun is a fairly limited style at its core. That has its advantages and disadvantages.
The advantage is that you can easily apply the most effective basic techniques [I don't really see those techniques here]. The disadvantage is that you can run into problems in some situations, especially on the ground when fighting against a sport where ground work is built in from the beginning.
I disagree that Wing Chun doesn't work, or doesn't work against MMA fighters. But it only works if you give it your all and not in a way like it's shown in this video.
What @vitkovitsmate7281 also says... Wing Chun is evolving and becoming more complete. There are now many styles that look nothing like what you see in this video.
It is not the style that is decisive, but the individual skills that determine the outcome of the fight.
Of course it is. Wing chun is bullshit and will always lose against boxing
I don't agree. Imagine that you have to fight. The rules of the fight allow you to use practically any technique. But if you lose, you can lose millions of dollars, your reputation and even make a fool of yourself in front of millions of people. How would you fight? We already have the answer. This happens in regular basics. Watch any UFC fight.
I used Wingchun in two real life attacks against me 10 years apart. Honestly, I musk confess that , then I immobilized the attackers using different techniques (Aikido/BJJ - I didn’t go to the floor though), but I started with WING CHUN! And I am no master/sifu. It works, when properly applied. These “masters” seemed had never really went against a full willing opponent!
That’s not important, my friend. In the street you could meet a stupid guy who wants to take your money and he never train himself at the gym. He is just too much self confident, he always take money to the people by scaring them and that always works for him, but he is not a fighter at all and maybe when you meet him he also slept badly because he has been all night at the disco and he smoked a joint ten minutes ago.
Against a stupid guy like that, you can easily use Wing Chun like my grand mother can easily slap his face, and you and my grandmother will win the fight.
But the problem is: what if you meet a guy who has been training himself at the boxing gym 3 times a week for 3 years, he slept well, he doesn’t smoke and he is ready to fight to take your money?
Here in Rome there are guys like that and using martial arts against them can help you to go to the hospital.
I call bullshit.
Always sad to see comments about MMA vs Wing Chun.
When I was looking to learn marital arts I asked a few different advanced martial art students what would be the best technique to learn if I wanted to defend myself in a real world situation and was not willing to spend a decade studying the art. Almost all of them said Wing Chun!
It is not a fancy entertaining style like what the MMA crowd is looking for but it is extremely deadly in real world situations and unlike many other forms you can spend only 3-4 years and become very effective against most opponents.
First of all take a look at any video where a student from another Art form visits a Wing Chun class. The first comment you will hear is that the arms and Legs of advanced students are like Steel.
Yeah this is because that Wooden Dummy we use is Brutal. From the very first week I started practicing with it up until the last week I was in agony from striking it.
The great part was that after a year of pounding on it, I found that a bone to bone blow from another fighter felt mild in comparison. Second thing is that there is almost no backing away in Wing Chun, it is a make contact and keep contact form where you feel the opponents movements and move with them using various techniques in offense and defense simultaneously. Your main goal is to devastate the Persons head and neck and end it quickly. All of these strikes become muscle memory and most of them are not legal in the MMA, so it is pointless to even enter a contest.
I can tell you from my own experience that it is a very effective technique for real world situations where someone comes in close looking to hurt you. The tremendous power and speed behind those small movement hits we learn coupled with the very tough hands and arms you develop are very effective at breaking someones neck or jaw.
I agree with you.
All things that are useful and immediately effective in Wing Chun are banned in MMA, so it's pointless to make WC practitioners into the ring! Same is to Aikido. MMA fighters who are proud of their power in the ring with guarding gears, just watch Aikido Sensei Tamaki in Jesse Enkamp video explaining "the frame" in MMA. Wing Chun and Aikido, they are not fighting art, they are survival art.
Nobody cares about a wooden dummy. I practiced wing chun, then jkd and now boxing. A real opponent is not standing still with his arms stuck in the air like a wooden dummy. You can practise chisao as much as you want. You see it in the videos, it will not make you block quick hooks and overhands. Wing chun is ineffective and it has no knock-out power in its punches. Bruce lee took 60% of boxing into his JKD.
Wdym survival arts , so it's not overall?
How about survive inside a ring with rules
Yes, without rules we know all combat or martial arts are deadly but the difference is in competive sport, u need to be smart once u step on that ring, you're not against wooden dummy or normal people. But a hunger person who well trained for years to knock people out.
Yes u have a good technique but if it's not effective, you are done. That's the main point of that competition, they show us who's better, winner, lose or draw
Is it not the same if we apply it outside the ring..win u live, lose u died?
Man, There's some fighter who put their life and died inside those ring. That small cage/ring also a battlefield people just don't see it.
@@mawallildmezander9093 I guess your not getting the point. WC is not a Flashy kind of martial art that has any kind of entertainment value. It's offensive use is designed to be lethal, going primarily for the Face, Throat and Eyes in a relentless attack that is designed to be quick and effective. Most of it's defensive moves are not large sweeping moves, they are in close moves that keep you in contact with the opponent in order to create openings for more attacks.
Wing Chun teaches you to use weapons as light as feathers.😂😂
People who do the Donnie Yen win Chun movie pose , always lose against every decent fighter.
@@Viewpoint314 fr if you place the lead hand slightly high, it's good tool for bong sau, lap sau and allows you to do a bunch of counter strikes even set takedowns. Wing Chun in grand master level has varieties of guards including short guards + slightly wide stance. But if your lead hand is lower like the traditional way, then I don't know what to say, you're most likely to block with your face.
yeh thats what i first thought when i saw the first man standing movie pose lol.. it seems like he never had a real fight in street with strangers ..it's not how things work in real life. but thats fun anyway
@lebaneseanimation the main thing makes Kung Fu cheap and useless is the movies. When you look at almost everyone, they do Kung Fu because of the movies. There are only a few people who trains Kung Fu with a true spirit and when you look at them, they're always a fighters who can actually fight, while the ones who train because of movies can't fight.
@@rockey420 Hollywood fighters
If no rules wing chun only need kick on the balls fast and strong and strike on the eyes. Its still 50 50 chance
This stuff only works in the movies. Real life, raw power, no rules and pain.
Tu Teng Yao, will prove you otherwise.
Raw power helps... But superior technic timming bursting power etc... Creates different fighters!
Raw power only produce power the skill comes from pritace
'Real life', 'raw power", no rules and pain. MMA fighters have not real life experience, have raw power, but have rules but he have boxing gloves. Decent fighters can not win without eyes, breath and balls (no matter who I offend). I think the winner, who can give better pain to the other. Whose eyes would you gouge out??? This is just a showcase where wing tsun cannot win.
因為電影是套招的，真的打的話會被打爆，很多人看電影看到都被誤導了，哈哈😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
MMA fighters are like Swiss Army knives; they have every tool to finish a fight in any situation, whether standing or on the ground.
as long as it's within the rules of MMA, yes. When there are no rules tho, it is just as about as effective as any other art.
@@Altimit1417 In a one vs one hand to hand fight,no guns and no blades,if I was a betting man I'd put my money on the Professional fighter. They can also incorporate the dirty tricks. As for Wing Chun,it seems as if a couple of UFC fighters might have incorporate a thing or 2 from it into their MMA fights. I guess a couple of them have enough knowledge and athletic ability to incorporate it into the other stuff they train in.
@tritchie6272 so you bet on the person but not the art. Ergo the art doesn't matter the fighter does.
@@Altimit1417 For the most part,yes I agree that the outcome is more dependent on the fighter than the art.
This is the reason Bruce Lee evolve out of wing chun, he knew it was limited.
No, it was because fight would end in 1s and you couldn't see the punches. It needed some flashy moves for the movie industry.
The first fake master was not wing chun used but taiji user
@@brunobruno9307your history...
Yep Bruce Lee did other Martial Arts because he needed Flashy Moves in order to get into exhibitions and Movies. The Audience would have been bored out of there mind with the 2 Second fights that happen in Wing Chun.
Here is a great example of Bruce Lee going from using other techniques back into Wing Chun.
ruclips.net/video/tyIp7mJC55I/видео.html
Only if your getting Hit by WC or watching it in Slo Motion can you appreciate the Speed and Power.
By removing all the double and triple video sequences, your video is barely 5 minutes long...
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their weight category is not fair.
Life IS Not fair
No eye gouging ? No throat punch ? Half of the wing-chun system's concepts can't be used here.
If you allow Wing Chun those moves, the MMA is also allowed to use them too. Based on this fight, it looks like the MMA would use them more effectively
That was not a Wing chun master ... None of the wc principles was applied
It's because when you teally get punched in your unskilled ching chang wing chung bungo bongo face your so-called principals are for the schlongus when your arse gets the takedown. You watched too many of these scheit Ip Man movies.
Wing Chun is good, but not against trained people with 1 strike knock out punch in MMC which is very common, or even tapped out or ground attack.
Bruce Lee once say, "I fear not the man who practice 10000 different kicks, but 1 kick 10000 times"
@@dingpeng2317 I practice JKD .. I know :)
The problem with Kung fu is that they focus on forms and stances, I mean it's good but when they get hit all of the forms will thrown out of the windows.
@@Frostykid94It depends on what your school approach is. For sure something like JKD is more RL oriented, but forms are just a teaching tool not the goal of a good KF practitioner.
U know the reason why Bruce lee adopt so many fighting styles. Not just Wing Chun.
Indeed, Bruce Lee said, “Be like water, it takes the shape of a vessel and has no specific form.
1:17 It is clear that the Wing Chung player does not wear boxing gloves, so he does not intend to deliver real punch. On the other hand, the MMA player does not have the skill to protect his face even if he faces a player.” Wing Chung intends to harm him and cause him permanent disability
4:00 The MMA player studied the weaknesses in the opponent's style and outperformed the close minded opponent
Many other scenes don't show real Chinese skills
Dude the MMA guy is clearly a lot heavier than those opponents
don't matter what style you use to fight, there aint no winning in a mismatch like that
No it's possible if opponent is observant like a hawk and agile enough to determine weak points. These opponents whom were called masters are not truly masters. Getting a belt doesn't make one a master, it takes years of self discipline, training the body and mind and learning the art of finding weak points and laying opponents flat.
Traditional martial art schools don't encourage fights against other styles or rabid heavyweight boxers/fighters or those using weapons. That's where the art is trained and tested for killing moves. These are not masters but still students.
Had these "boxers" fought a true warrior of medieval ages, they would have reached near death situation as the attacks were genuinely trained to kill the opponent.
American MMA is unbeaten. American boxing and a bit of judo or wrestling will make you a beast on the streets and in the ring. 😊
I've trained Wing Chun for several years and I haven't seen any proper Wing Chun move. I would like to see some old school master like Wong Shun-leung or one of his students to fight any fighter on the street or in the club(close quarters) in bare knuckle fight. To qualify as good first punch - it has to make mechanical failure, like broken yaw, broken knee, eyes gorged out or punch in the throat or kick in the groin. That is what Wing Chun is made for. It is true martial art. Most of other stuff is sport...combative sport, but still only a sport with rules. Wing chun has no rules...if you can you can bite opponents head off (like some Venom/Alien move).
The training in a martial arts school is geared towards preparing you to fight a regular person, not an elite fighter. Gives the Wing Chung fighters at least 6 months training with a high protein diet and weight lifting with regular sparring and these fights would look different.
The art of fighting without fighting wins
Wing Chun fighters struggle to generate enough power to pose a threat to their opponents.
i guess, the attacks, that wing chun fighters normally would use (throat, eyes and so on) are forbidden in a fight like that, so that is, why it is weak.
@heikomiller888 if Wing Chun guy is allowed to use those moves, the MMA would be allowed to use them too. Chances are that the MMA would use them more effectively
@@emancoy being allowed to use something doesn't mean you can use it as effectively as it is not something you are trained in. It is all about the fighter, never the art.
@@Altimit1417 look up MMA Jon Jones
@@emancoynope, chance 50 50. Whos faster will win
9:55 What is that? Our Wing Tsun practices harder than what we see in this video here and there...
I can't see those "masters" really use therir techniques with full power. Where are the throat punches, eye atack, ground fights?
That sounds like KOTS. "King of the Streets is an illegal European-based fight club known for its no-rules policy." There are no long fights, because everything is legal, except groin strikes I think. Eye-gouging, no gloves, small-joint manipulation, fish-hooking, stomps to the head and throat, fighting on solid concrete, and no breaks. Simon "The Savage" Henrikson only has a couple fights that lasted over 10 seconds, and there are some good Lethwei practitioners who clean house in there too. I'd say that it is the wildest fighting promotion out there.
Wing chun is bulshit
Wing chun works if can if used correctly in MMA, Like all arts train it right and it well work. The problem is people using the art incredibly
@@willr1796how much Wing Chung have you practiced or seen implemented in MMA
Some pac sau is not a bad thing..
These smaller guys going against a big man isn't a good example of Wing Chung or even good Wing Chung practitioners....here we have good wing Chung.
Like all other arts.. none are perfect.
Hence why we have a thing called MMA these days.
@willr1796 that's exactly what I said, yet you're not listening and it's because it does not fit your narrative.. there's bad wing Chung practitioners.. there's bad boxers.. there's guys who are sixty pounds heavier and have the weight advantage.
Obviously,you need reading glasses or a new prescription as I have already said that I'm training in kickboxing and found a place that is Wing Chung that pressure tests and using different things and mixing up what works,does work...
Say you never have been to a Wing Chung place or trained a day in it without saying that.
Selective reading makes you a dishonest person.
Joe Rogan actually pointed this out in a UFC fight. Actual wing chun successfully in action
@willr1796 wow... I could really respond to this but ill sum it up... you somehow quote me quoting someone else when I never threw any quotes up...
@@willr1796 You're talking out your arse, because you've never seen or known a real wing chun master. Research a little more before you go farting out your mouth! You'd be wise not to be so taken in by these youtube videos!
This does not prove anything except that a welltrained person will defeat an untrained. What does the ”MMA” guys want to prove? What conclusions should we draw if we would exposed an MMA beginner to a senior MMA practitioner. As someone commented before, there were not hardcore WC masters.
I'd love to see a video compilation of hardcore WC masters fighting MMA fighters. If you have any, please share them to me.
It proves that a lot of those "kung fu experts" are actually frauds. And also that since MMA literally means "mixed martial arts" it is better than other ones since you can mix any style you want.
Ita the wing chun guys who wants to prove that wing chun is better than MMA
*Who is he, Master of MMA? Never see him in UFC*
he forgot all skills in real fight. Both this guys can be KO easily.
One is art; one is fighting.
Hmmm. i was there for the fourth fight. It was in Pattaya, Thailand. The guy is a Salat fighter and not Wing Chun. He at that time, was doing a lot of demo fights. Salat is a great striking style.
While fighting the Wing chun masters suddenly forget their style and start fighting like MMA's😅😅😅
so we learned from this that Wing Chung works only in Movies. MMA makes Chicken Wing of Wing Chun
Wing chun is limited to one style but MMA is a mix of everything and if something doesn't work they can always switch styles so I'm assuming MMA
Those wing chun fighters are too slow and not blocking accurately, which causes him to get hit. Then that leads to a chain of punches from the MMA fighter. Just a lack of fighting experience I would say is why Wing Chun loses over and over.
Wing Chun is like Tai Chi. It's a meditation exercise not for fighting.
Quien dijo que el wing chung no sirve para pelear,eso depende de como lo emplees
Wingchun looks good in movies.
There's no strongest style, there's only strongest person
The last two exchanged laughters, not blows 😆
Very nice.
I trained Wing Chun, unfortunately it sucks compared to boxing, wrestling and jiu jitsu
Me too, so I end up mastering Filipino Martial arts instead because of its weaponry and unarmed combat especially if you encorporate it with Boxing, BJJ and muaythai.
Absorb what is useful. Wing Chun blocks and guards are very similar to those used in FMA are similar to those used in 52 handblocks. The footwork and lack of mobility are what really put one at a disadvantage. And also, plenty of MMA trained fighters break metacarpals, get stabbed etc in real self defense. The instinct to go to the floor with opponent will get you kicked in the head by multiple assailants on the street. And even some of the great MMA used only enough to mostly keep the fight on their feet, Lidell comes to mind. Many ways to win in MMA and on the street.
@UnjustVerdict learning to sprawl and avoid armdrag etc is important. That said, MMA is sport fighting and won't help much if you are fighting multiple attackers, someone that outweighs you by 30lbs of muscle or has a pipe or knife in their hand. If you're fighting one other person your approximate weight in a cage with hand protection, no eye gouging, no weapons, yeah its the way to go. On the street, mobility is the number one quality. MMA folks at the top of their game break metacarpals, absorb life threatening stab wounds etc. Some elements of MMA are useful, many are not.
@UnjustVerdict I don't do kung fu, but for street I'd highly recommend FMA or Silat with MT kick and kick defense. Tossed in the mix, Wing Chun and 52 handblocks defense. Study enough wrestling to avoid easy take-downs.
That said, I do have a friend that studied Preying Mantis, Poekoelan, Shotokan, a little bit of Judo, and he was a bad mofo in a real fight.
You get a real instructor that pushes you to pressure test what you know sparring and you won't be any worse off than the average MMA athlete.
I'm guessing you've never mixed it up in a real street fight...anything with weight classes and rules is NOT real fighting.
@UnjustVerdict Again, if you're learning MA at a school that doesn't spar hard, go to another school. Teach a 120lb girl ring fighting MMA and she goes up against a 210lb man she'll get killed. Without including eye, throat strikes and weapons training, esp small EW, you're not in good shape in the real world. Street fighting might be stupid, but that's what an assault looks like. If you can walk away from a fight, it wasn't a real fight at all.
Wing Chun in a ring with gloves crazy things. MMA is a Mixed with lot of diffrence technik.
Asian in general gives any martial art style a bad name. I mean I have never seen an Asian man that made their style stood out.
You Know , Wing-chun it's a defensive martial art style design to make counters and defend yourself not something to aggressively attack
Even Bruce Lee had to modify it to create his own style
Styles like wing chin and tai chi should be final refining art forms. You learn the more heavy karate, mma, crab- magra, jujitsu, and the artform performed by Tony Jackson with elbow strikes and knee strikes and get your body hard and weathered then practice taichi and wing chin forms to polish off the other forms, because once you know how the other strikes are done you will know how to effectively and deftly counter.
Only if the Wing Chung masters were bigger and stronger.
It's not a fair fight because one is wearing mma gloves. It should be bare fist vs bare fist.
So basically, MMA needs 20 years of age difference and 20 kg of more weight to win?
Kungfu yang hebat hanya di film😂
It's important to clarify a few things about these "Wing Chun masters vs. MMA fighters" videos. First, none of the so-called Wing Chun practitioners in these fights are true masters. In traditional martial arts, mastery comes with years of dedicated practice, often over decades, and these individuals clearly do not meet that standard.
Secondly, MMA fighters are top-tier athletes, trained to excel in a combat sport environment. In contrast, most of the Wing Chun practitioners shown are not professional fighters-they appear to be hobbyists, some of whom don't even seem to maintain basic athletic conditioning. The exception is Qi La La, who is a professional fighter but is severely hindered by lifestyle choices like smoking, which impacts his stamina and competitiveness in professional bouts.
This creates an unfair comparison: professional MMA athletes competing against wimpy, delusional Wing Chun hobbyists. No serious Wing Chun practitioner would agree to such a challenge. Wing Chun is a traditional martial art designed for real-world self-defense and lethal application, not sport.
There are two key reasons Wing Chun doesn't translate well to MMA:
Many of its most effective techniques-such as strikes to the throat, eyes, or other vital areas-are illegal in combat sports.
The use of protective gear makes certain techniques and principles difficult or impossible to apply effectively.
Sanda (Chinese kickboxing) might be a more suitable platform for Wing Chun practitioners, as its rule set and scoring system are more aligned with traditional Chinese martial arts. However, even then, Sanda is still a combat sport with limitations and protective gear, which inherently alters the application of Wing Chun techniques.
Ultimately, these videos misrepresent both Wing Chun and the realities of martial arts training. Comparing a traditional martial art to a modern combat sport without context does a disservice to both disciplines.
Everyone who claims to be a Wing Chun master is not a Wing Chun master at all. They attribute themselves undeserved titles! He just turned 30 and became a Wing Chun master... hahahaha
Use Wing Chun the way, it was developed. It is a technique for a weaker person and because of that, it is defensive and counteroffensive at best. And as a rule of thumb: Never underestimate your opponents punches and never overestimate your kicks. You never sacrifice your cover for an offensive maneuver against a stronger opponent. Let him come. Maintain your cover, lure him into a mistake. THEN strike with all you have. And then repeat.
Truth, truth and truth. That’s what I did in real life. It saved twice.
wing chun is the art of defense, it is expressly used to find the points of contact with the opponent who is advancing, you must block in those points because in addition to landing the single blow you will physically wear him out 🙏🏻
Imagine calling yourself a 'master' of combat and you can't even fight!!! 🤣
PARA KESATRIA PETARUNG MMA ITU SUDAH MENJADIKAN RASA SAKIT MENJADI SUATU KENIKMATAN ... 👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹
Those kung fu masters go to the floor like toddler giving first steps.😅
Wing Chun has little chance against an opponent charging at you when you are not allowed to use any open hand techniques. That is why boxing or grappling techniques of some kind work best against a boxer unless you can stop him with a precise kick.
If it were a life and death situation and you'd intercept the attacker with finger-jabs to the eyes chances would be quite a lot better. What we see here is like a an expert knife-fencer would perform his best knife moves, but without the knife. Of course that doesn't work. Does that prove that MMA fighters are more dangerous than a fighter with a knife?
It is also interesting how these guys are presented as "Wing Chun masters" although I bet nobody here have ever heard of any of them. Probably no more Wing Chun master than I am.
This is a lot of BS. chibie chabie bingo bongo is just a waste of time.
Master Wing Chun :❎
Madter Lose :✔😂😂😂
06:13 when Wingchun meet Silat😊
The Wing Chun Master lost his wing and became just a chin master blocking strike with his chin
The size of the 2 fighter was not comparably fair.
Reason for the loss of alleged "Wing Chun masters" is simple :
1. Boxing is based on brutal onslaught, geared on bearing down on and knocking off the opponent utilizing body size, thereby weight and agility.
Wing Chun and any martial art style as such has a specified movement set that is currently only used with an opponent using the same style. Traditional Martial arts now a days are competition centric than attack centric. Deadly combat moves have been removed from the curriculum. Be it Gong-fu or Karate.
2. Boxing doesn't utilize any specific style except with certain restrictions especially with only hits abive waist considered valid.
Traditional martial arts at present, again suffers as the move set unfortunately is well defined. Expectation/Perception of incoming attacks varies.
3. Only those who excelled in almost all available attack strategies and motions in traditional martial arts including deadly moves and were able to deploy it in bringing opponents close to death even considered masters. The "masters" here are but specialists in competitive sports.
True masters expand horizon of their styles through inventing new techniques making them more freestyle.
Here therefore, "a true master" of the artform is not facing a rabid opponent.
Conclusion :
Martial Art "Masters" trained in deadly combat must be the only ones invited to open combat sports. The title of "master" must involve killing moves. Bruce Lee figured this out early.
The comentator in this video have no clue of who is an MMA fighter😂😂😂
This is a huge blow to Wing Chun. Donnie Yen should watch this and do something about it to revive it.
Donnie yen es solo un actor la realidad del wing chung es otra,sólo debes de combinarlo con otra cosa
The best real Wing chun master in modern world is master xand lee from Brazil, and i'm not joking
It's truly sad that I thought back then, when I practiced Wing Chun thought I could actually fight, just because I saw Ip Man. Now that I'm doing Karate and did some real sparring, I see how hard it is to react to forceful, lightning fast blows.
Quelli di Wing Chun si credono invincibili, ma all'atto pratico capiscono solo all'ultimo che il loro stile è molto limitato ed è buono solo in palestra, con compagni consenzienti o contro chi non sa'combattere, lo dico per esperienza, non ho trovato un praticante di wing Chun che abbia finito un combattimento in piedi 🤣🤣🤣 anche usando le loro tecniche "mortali" 🤣🤣🤣🥋OSU
The only way wing chun wins a fight is if it came with wings to fly away as soon as the punches start coming in
Wingchun is for dance. It means art. Not for fight😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's not that Wing Chun is a bad style by itself. But most of its practitioners have had a rigid training history which leaves them unprepared for a broader fight. Wing Chun would fit very well in a broader MMA set when mixed with more techniques from other styles as well.
I have practiced Wing Chun for 2 years and I am sure this is not Wing Chun
A part of Jeet Kune Do is Wing Chun. It is for the street, not a ring. I have 52 years in 7 arts so an MMA fighter/BJJ on the street will have one of six things done...blindness, eardrums shattered (if he wants to take me down), hammer fist to the brain stem (if he wants to take me down), and spear or knife hand to the larynx. His groin is fair game also. I teach nothing, but vulnerable spots and making an aggressor the victim. These Wing Chun guys don't understand Yin/Yang and parrying. You never ever back up. This is why a lot of experience in boxing is so important. You add all the best parts of these arts and then progression into quicker, stronger, and simpler strikes, you now have Cuerpo Lital (Lethal Body), my Art launching Summer 2025.
At the end of the day who is better isn't about the art that they use. It is about the practician. The better, fitter, luckier person will win.
@UnjustVerdict I'd like to see you back your opinion with facts.
Saying you're wrong without backing it up with facts sounds like a 3 year old who has been told too much candy is bad for them.
Try the fight without restricting the Wing Chun techniques.
MMA is better wing chun....MMA no theory martial , this is to be a beast on the fight.
Wing Chun is not used in UFC or MMA. The reason is obvious. Ineffective.
"Everybody has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth!" M Tyson
Tyson is an idiot. Everybody has a plan until their eye is gauged out, throat punched, groin kicked or grabbed, or dead hand slapped on the back of the mastoid.
All of the wingchun masters are smashed by mma
Это они ещё не видели мастеров бесконтактного боя. 😂 Ждём в следующем выпуске.
Wing Chun is pretty effective is used properly. These guys get hit once and switch to street fight mode, and that's when they get their butts kicked. Had these guys utilized it properly, they'd have done some damage. If it can be effective in a street fight, I believe, if used properly (and without going primal as soon as hit) it could possibly make it in MMA
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth
I've never seen so many repeated replays in one video. Play one clip. replay that very same clip. Play another clip. replay that entire clip. lol
Nothing can beat MMA fight style cause it's the closest to real life.
I don't like to underastemate any martial art but the only kung fu style which i think it's useful in a real fight is Jeet Kune Do, a fighting system which was created by the legendary Bruce Lee.
Basically a dance, may be effective in defending against foxtrot, waltz and the cha cha.
Not the art but the artist. No ground game will get dominated one v one
Goes to show you fighting in real fights there is no style. That's why boxers take hours to train. It's a sweet science for a reason.
It's quite clear, MMA fighter is probably trained in Jujitsu, Judo, Karate, Muay Thai, Kicking Boxing, etc. Wing Chun is not effective against full contact fighters or tough street fighters who are bigger and stronger than you. You have to modify the techniques and training methods.
Look at the size difference in the second fight!
No guard, no head movement, no foot work.😂
Some of these guys are not even mma fighters
wingchun is not for fight, its for meditation....
Wirklich interessant wie hier einige Kämpfe gezeigt werden jedoch NUR welche wo die Wing Chun "Meister" verlieren.
Qi La La hat z.B. auch nicht gerade wenige Kämpfe gewonnen. Aber hier wird natürlich eine Niederlage gezeigt.
Ich könnte jetzt auch ein Video zusammenstellen wo Wing Chung Kämpfer nur gewinnen.
Finde dies jedoch sehr einseitig.
Fakt ist auf jeden Fall das es auf den Kämpfer ankommt und nicht auf das System.
Ich selber habe Jahrelang Wing Chun trainiert und bin dann um neues zu lernen zum Silat gewechselt und jetzt seit 2 Jahren trainiere ich Kickboxen.
Also würde ich jetzt einfach mal aus meinem Standpunkt behaupten es kommt wirklich auf den Kämpfer und die art und Weise an wie er trainiert an.
P.s. Ein Kampf zumindest war Silat vs. Wing Chun und nicht gegen MMA.
Das war an der Bewegung deutlich zu sehen.
Where's Don yen when u need him😂😂😂
Spoiler there are no masters here. Just students of wannabe masters
An real Master of Wing Chun or other Fight Arts does not show what he can . He only fight when he must , but than it where better there is nobody ho will only mess with him. Because it can be the last fight for him
😂😂😂😂 it’s like you live in an imaginary world! So you are saying this guy got his arse kicked because he didn’t "want to show what he can do "??😂😂😂😂 complete empty head.
@dowtingtomas.695 you are a Kid you cant Understand it
MMA means mixed martial arts. The more the merrier, kinda like genetics I suppose.
Definitely not a Wing Chun master. A Wing Chun master should be able to adjust his techniques and moves to counter attack his opponent.
They were Tai Chi practitioners, not wing shun
Não há condições de participar do MMA ou UFC sem saber no mínimo 03 três artes marciais. Dentre elas o jiu-jitsu!
MMA fighter is heavier that's why he can easily overpower his opponent.
Weight class ? 😅😅😅
Everyone seems to ignore that part!!
Ip Man would be most displeased.