16:29 something you forgot to mention If yellow pikmin is attached to Robin it eats all thunder spells and tanks levin sword hits since theyre all electric
@@GamesPlayer1337is there a reference I'm missing? I've always found Puff to be even if not a +1 for Terry. It only takes a single combo to pop Puff like a balloon and I usually make it back to stage, knowing how to DI to avoid getting Bayo'd off the side.
@@ThatOneWeirdFlex if the puff players knows sdi terry cant do shit due to puffs weight and floatiness. Second if puffs wins neutral once terry is getting bridge offstage and dies at super low percents.
I think for part 3, you should do a ranking of most to least "best matchups". Like count the amount of characters who's worst matchup is G&W for example
Another thing in the Little Mac Pac-Man MU, trampoline completely screws Mac over. If he runs over it, it forces him to jump, meaning he either has to attack it or predictably jump over it which Pac-Man easily stuffs out
While I agree on this list the mii gunner is mostly incorrect While sonic is difficult the movesets have adapted to better counter him while we can't say that about falco AT ALL
As a Mega Man main, some other painful matchups include, but aren’t limited to: Fox, Falco, G&W, Pikachu, Pac Man, Terry, Samus, Palutena, Shulk, and Rob.
Another thing with the little Mac and pac man matchup, but if pac man uses his trampoline on stage there is practically nothing Mac can do because it puts him in the air
For Inkling, most inkling mains actually think Steve inkling is relatively even as she has a really good time in neutral against steve with her movement, bair and combo options. Booyah is really consistent on steve and she can punish his recovery really well with inkbomb coverage. Shulk is terrible though and yoshi is also up there for worst matchup
I’m not sure I’d call it inkling’s worst match up but Steve definitely wins it I’ve played many inklings in tournament and haven’t lost to one and Steve can kill them off 1 jab because pickaxe cycles are easy on them and their up-b doesn’t go through blocks
Agreed. As an Inkling main, Steve is like, terrible. Shulk is the worst, R.O.B. is difficult sometimes, and I havent yet lost to a Yoshi. Tbh it depends on the playstyle for me.
The funny part about Incineroar is all 3 Metroid characters could be argued to be his worst matchup Incineroar has a really rough time approaching Samus because of charge shot, and he can't revenge charge shot or bomb, or even missile if she's approaching, because she just lands a free grab from outside Incin's revenge activation hitbox Her big aerials do a fantastic job at keeping Incin at bay, which takes away Incin's strength of usually having bigger hitboxes than his opponent does Samus also is almost impossible to edgeguard without a risky read, and if she tethers to the ledge, Incin can't 2 frame her either, and bombs also make it similarly difficult to juggle her, which is something Incin really likes doing As for Ridley, he has way bigger hitboxes than Incin, a projectile that leads into a ton of damage and a free grab if revenged or shielded, a command grab that can clank with or sometimes outright have priority over Alolan Whip, and a multijump, making approaching in neutral pretty much a lost cause. Even if you get Ridley offstage, all you can really do is get a revenge on the up B, nothing else is really even worth going for because of how good Ridley's side B and nair are at finding reversals on Incin, and even with that one revenge that Incin can find it's still nearly impossible to use it, because of how good Ridley's fair, nair, side B, and multijumps in combination with each other are at letting him take space by force, making ledgetrapping, something Incin is usually pretty good at, more trouble than it's worth. And even if Incin finds a solid hit on Samus or Ridley, they're both heavy and die way later than most characters. For all these reasons I'd even say these two are worse than Zero Suit, because at least Incin can box with Zero Suit if he plays smart enough.
Exactly right with Duck Hunt. Mega Man destroys the little dog. People think Samus is a losing matchup, but the gunman blocks projectiles. It's a shield similar to Steve's block placement. The only things I can think of off the top of my head that will go through it is Steve's minecart and Mega Man's gear thingy. Charge shots of all kinds, reflectors, and all other projectiles that aren't secondary effects of attacks (like King Dedede's up b's stars) can't get through Other than that? Captain Falcon is a rough honorable mention. But an UNDERRATED duck hunt counter is kirby and pichu. Gunman, side b discs, and cans can hardly ever hit them. Just crouch and you've countered most of duck hunt's kit. Luckily duck hunt has good smash attacks that are disjointed and can catch them jumping and crouching, so along with their weight stat they die fairly early. That's the only reason they're lower than mega man
As a Mii Gunner player, Sonic is nowhere near the character's worst matchup. Definitely a bad one, but Falco is borderline unplayable. Falco's down b shuts down Gunner's primary gameplan, and has the tools to keep Gunner away while being able to also rushdown effectively.
I dont play gunner but i agree, its pretty common knowledge these days that gunner goes even with sonic so i found that quite odd he said worst matchup
Honestly feel like Dedede's worst match up is Palutena-nairs for days, juggles easy as hell, invulnerability on aerials if they're not disjointed, all of her projectiles interact poorly with inhale & gordo, insane ground speed, teleport recovery for dodging edge guards, and a counter to top it all off. Such a miserable match up.
Bayo main here, I feel like Bayo should've at least been mentioned in Rob's worst matchup. Bayo combos Rob into oblivion, she can witch time Rob's gyro, and she is one of few characters able to edge guard Rob effectively because of her amazing offstage tools. This is just my opinion, I can completely understand his reasoning for picking g n w.
I think the worst matchup for K. Rool is Villager. Small, has aerials that can interrupt all of K. Rool's aerial approaches, can Nair out of shield, can pocket the Crown meaning K. Rool doesn't get to use it for the entire match and drops the Bowling Ball on his head when recovering or can come from the side with slingshot.
Ehh, I’m more inclined to say Falco. I get combo’d way too easily, and I can never recover without a back air flying at me while I can’t do anything about it. Blunderbuss? Get reflected! Screw up an attack? 65% is G O N E after one grab. Honestly fighting him blows…
Villager main. I think its solid -1ish for K. Rool. Super fun matchup for villager especially if they're good at using counter you can get some volleys going back and forth with tree or bowling ball which is ridiculous. Someone will miss and die at 0.
As a diehard Banjo Kazooie main their worst matchup is Isabelle/Villager. Mainly Isabelle. They pocket grenegg and hold it until you take their stock. You have to use grenegg smart to make sure they don’t pocket it.
Isabelle is an absolute nightmare for banjo. Also Kazuya feels borderline unwinnable at higher level play. Banjo can rarely kill Kazuya before 100% and once that rage activates he is in serious trouble. Things will feel in your favor until you get down b'd through your slow projectiles and killed at absurdly low percents basically for free. On the plus side, Banjo feels uniquely capable against Steve!
The problem is that you still beat Villager/Isabelle. Your still playing a better character, banjos just rely too heavily on grenade egg and dont know how to play without it.
Steve for ryu feels really weird. It makes sense for ken, that matchup is just awful, but steve actually struggles with ryu in neutral because of shakanetsu. It beats minecart and hits steve for it, and steve corners himself to mine and his bad jump height makes him likely to get hit if the ryu just holds center and zones with a mix of grounded and short hop fireballs. I've heard other ryu players say steve was -1 at worst, even at best. The worst matchups are the good zoners and swordies since they can just swat through fireballs with big hitboxes and edgeguard his relatively linear recovery. Rosa does fit in that category, but steve just doesn't make sense for this one.
Nah I’m a Steve main and when I see a Ryu I just see combo food, because I just build a wall so Ryu has to approach, and in close range one Steve up tilt is 60+% and possibly death for Ryu (Steve up tilt is safe on Ryu’s shield btw)
I would say that Mii Brawler's worst matchup is Shulk, basically just Cloud with shield art to ruin every kill confirm. Brawler really struggles to kill without combos
Personally I'd say Olimar has an even worse time with Joker than Cloud simply because Joker gets Arsene for free if you ever try to throw a Pikmin that isn't purple at him. Olimar vs. Joker is basically restricting Olimar's most spammable tool because you don't want to be fighting Arsene for 95% of the match.
I'd like to argue that Cloud worst matchups is Min Min. She edgeguards you for free, cloud has 0 burst movement and ram ram doesnt let you jump, which is what Cloud wants to do
Ryu Main here: I've actually never done the Rosa matchup before lmao I think thats the only matchup I've never done as Ryu Honorable Mentions are just the really oppressive zoners: Min-Min, Samus, Megaman, Belmonts As well as just the really mashy characters or the ones who beat out Shakunetsu without trying: Wolf, Sonic, G&W A lot of people mention Kirby when it comes to Ryu's bad matchups and that's fair but I think that's actually a winning matchup for Ryu, it's just that your old gameplan is out the window and you have to adopt a completely new gameplan just for the sake of fighting Kirby and Puff.
I'm pretty sure toon link's worst mu is shulk. Toon link isn't that slow (only fall speed is pretty slow, otherwise the fastest link) and he can recover vs pythra because of the tether mixup. Shulk can spam safe areals on stage and go offstage with fair to edgeguard toon link.
@@blast5734 That's entirely possible too. The TL discord mu chart has both of them in a tier of their own, but I personally think the edgeguarding makes the cloud mu a tad easier. Either way it is not pythra :)
@@phermion oh it’s not Pythra, but they are up there. Imo toon link can edge guard Shulk a bit better than cloud, due to bomb 2 framing very well. They are both horrible lol
Man with that game knowledge and how generally good you are at the game, you could make a "proof of concept" video entering a tournament to counter-pick everyone's worst matchup. Sounds douchy but also fun to watch 😂
For Inkling I'd not say the Shulk MU is that bad. Personally I main Inkling and one of my mentors, an Inkling from Switzerland, has a lot of experience in the matchup and both him and I think the MU is negative but more ok than others (I'm thinking Peach, Yoshi for example) when you know it really well. No one plays Shulk tho so it's usually kinda hard to get MU experience which can influence.
For Mii Swordfighter I feel like another horrible matchup would be with King K Rool, they lack the range most sword users like Cloud and Shulk do, so they would have to deal with K Rool's body armor
honestly i must be a weird ryu or only ever go against steves who dont know how to counter him, but i find once you get the hang of it, steve vs ryu feels almost even. which is wild because playing as ryu makes you feeling like most popular characters are a losing mu. but yeah. if steve walls you, bait that youll jump over it, then fair it instead and it just breaks all the blocks unless theyre iron. if youre good on ledge and have good recovery mixups, steve might struggle to do save tnt traps. but its all a race against time. you have to sacrifice a lot of your usual patient defensive play for going in and being aggressive, while also being on the lookout for steves many panic buttons and abuse the hell out of back air. if you know the right di mixups too, a lot of steves i go against dont know what to do to continue their combos to their proper finisher and have to end it early. its really weird. steve has every tool in the book to deal with anything and everything ryu has and then some. but i find im excited whenever someone says theyll play steve into my ryu, sure its frustrating at times, but it comes with practice and adaptability.
Watching pt 1 and pt 2 is like watching the 2020 game awards, except instead of hearing, "the award goes to.. the last of us part 2" it's "their worst match up is... Mr. game and watch."
fun fact: olimar can counter most magic spell/elemental power in the game red pikmin can't be harmed by fire attacks yellow pikmin can't be harmed by lightning attacks blue pikmin can't be harmed by water attacks
As a cloud main i can agree, joker is really bad especially when he has arsene. Best thing you can do is hoping opponent does whiff something and then you have to be there to punish it. Other honorable mentions: MinMin (very hard to approach, your backair as a tool is like non-existent) , Bowser (Fire, Two Frame Options, hard to kill) Pikachu and maybe surprisingly also DK sometimes because he can grab you at like 40 and kill you offstage 🤯🤯)
I know that this was made before the current, but Mii Gunner does decently well against Sonic thanks to their projectiles actually being able to keep Sonic away fairly well. But if you really want a bad matchup for them, Wolf just negates everything Gunner wants to do and is able to deal damage and go for KOs more often than Gunner would want to. But still great video
I personally think Dedede's worst matchup is in fact Mega Man. Of course nearly every attack in the game bounces back gordo, but with the slew of projectiles at Mega Man's disposal, Dedede has a hard time with Mega Man. I think part of the reason it's his worst matchup imo is due to pellets. Pellets completely destroy any opportunity to get any sort of footing with gordo.
As a guy that plays Toon Link casually, my buddy’s Palutena is my worst matchup; he just counters/reflects everything I do (since we can read each other like books) so I’m reduced to grabbing him and comboing him off of that, which is boring and annoying for both of us
Bro as a Robin player Olimar makes me suffer way more than I ever thought, I hate the fact that depending which parasite I’m thrown it will survive my projectile, the red one will survive Arcfire, the Yellow one will survive thunder and levin sword attacks for when it lands on me, my Robin tries his best but mf is slow and his projectiles have like the lowest priority known to man
The thumbnail alone is proof that Jordan acknowledges the fact that Meta Knight is K. Rool's bad matchup. 27:18 And there it is! This is the moment I have waited for!
Im curious to see how each characters best match up chart would go....would probably be 95% ganondorf but like excluding ganon would be pretty interesting
@@thebread42525in the hands of an average player he’s not that bad The problem is all his ridiculous combos and difficult to pull off tech options top players can do with him that put him in a league of his own.
I mean I love pointcrows play through of totk but I wanna see all of yours because your play through of botw was so funny and heart warming that it got me through a really tough patch in my life * ITS A FRICKEN DRAGON BOIIIIIII* roams rent differ in my head forever now
As a former Mii Swordfighter main (and as someone who still plays the character) their worst matchup is Pichu. Mii Swordfighter relies on Tornado into up-air for the vast majority of their kills, and Pichu is the only character in the game where that literally never works because of how light they are, not to mention that Pichu is in general extremely hard to hit for Swordfighter, and Swordfighter doesn’t have any fast get-off-me tools which is a huge problem when faced with a fast rush-down combo character like Pichu
As an isabelle main, fighting against Pyra/mythra isnt that difficult, sure it more in favour of them if they play well, but it isnt the worse and isabelle can still beat them, mythra still has to respect slingshots and pyra has to be careful with side b or else isabelle gets a really good projectile that can guarantee a kill for her since she can still attack I think Pikachu/Pichu is a more difficult matchup, Pikachu has pressure with their neutral that can deal with llyoid if isabelle isn't in front, they've good aerial's and are a hard target to hit with pelts
0:20 King DeDeDe
1:26 Olimar
1:56 Lucario
2:57 R.O.B.
3:50 Toon Link
4:09 Wolf
5:17 Villager
6:02 Mega Man
6:57 Wii Fit Trainer
8:27 Rosalina & Luma
9:24 Little Mac
10:20 Greninja
11:10 Mii Brawler
12:20 Mii Swordfighter
13:13 Mii Gunner
13:49 Palutena
15:05 Pac-Man
16:08 Robin
16:43 Shulk
18:20 Bowser Jr.
18:56 Duck Hunt
19:29 Ryu
20:26 Ken
21:04 Cloud
22:14 Corrin
23:21 Bayonetta
23:57 Inkling
24:50 Ridley
26:09 Simon/Richter
27:19 King K. Rool
28:41 Isabelle
29:44 Incineroar
(I know I’m late, but I saw no one made timestamps, so I did it myself.)
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I wanna see poppt go to a tourney and do only counter picks 💀
I mean, his main already covers a good chunk of the roster
But it would be funny
OR only his opponents best matchup
@@exabyten6309didn't he already win with Ganon?
So just play Steve in tournament?
I love the unholy square of G&W, ZSS, Wolf and R.O.B. being each other's worst matchups
What was Zss’s?
@@lorenzopastorelli1114 wolf
@@lorenzopastorelli1114 Hero using snooze
Was in the old matchup videos too of g&w zss wolf and pikachu
Steve is the Dark Souls boss of the entire roster, with G&W, Pika, and Shulk as his apprentices
and Game and Watch
@@Duvi0 G&W=Game and watch
@@Duvi0 It's the same as G&W
As a pikachu, i can confirm steve teached me how to anoy oponents before doing anything cool (?)
False, most dark souls bosses are fun to fight
16:29 something you forgot to mention
If yellow pikmin is attached to Robin it eats all thunder spells and tanks levin sword hits since theyre all electric
Wait what
I didn't know that, this sounds like a friggin nightmare
The fact that a sentient plant can tank magic spells and swords that have the ability to pulverize enemies is scary
Not to mention that the red ones are fireproof, so Arcfire isn't necessarily the solution, either.
@@regalblade8171 That's also why Sisqui hates fighting Olimar, because those yellow plants are literal charge shot shields.
This is more like “How many characters are beaten by Steve”
Spoiler warning: everyone lol
Or GaW
And then theres Terry with Jigglypuff haha
@@GamesPlayer1337is there a reference I'm missing? I've always found Puff to be even if not a +1 for Terry. It only takes a single combo to pop Puff like a balloon and I usually make it back to stage, knowing how to DI to avoid getting Bayo'd off the side.
@@ThatOneWeirdFlex if the puff players knows sdi terry cant do shit due to puffs weight and floatiness. Second if puffs wins neutral once terry is getting bridge offstage and dies at super low percents.
I think for part 3, you should do a ranking of most to least "best matchups". Like count the amount of characters who's worst matchup is G&W for example
Least to most would be better for watchtime tho
@@GamesPlayer1337 i was thinking moreso just a chart or something like that. But yeah a whole video would be smart
GnW match ups are basically can you stay far away and hit GnW with a non bucketable disjoint
Another thing in the Little Mac Pac-Man MU, trampoline completely screws Mac over. If he runs over it, it forces him to jump, meaning he either has to attack it or predictably jump over it which Pac-Man easily stuffs out
The Little Mac vs. Pac-Man matchup feels like the latter's revenge for what happened in the training mode icon.
A bonus thing about these videos is that you learn how each character likes to play as well
Take a shot every time someone’s worst matchup is Steve, Shulk, or Game and Watch.
Just main Game and Watch you counter half of the roster
While I agree on this list the mii gunner is mostly incorrect
While sonic is difficult the movesets have adapted to better counter him while we can't say that about falco AT ALL
Moral of the story: play Game & Watch
I have 450 hours of playtime on ultimate and 7 minutes of mr game and watch…
as a g&w main please dont its an absolute torture
As a Mega Man main, some other painful matchups include, but aren’t limited to: Fox, Falco, G&W, Pikachu, Pac Man, Terry, Samus, Palutena, Shulk, and Rob.
after this series of videos I am convinced that Mr. Game & Watch is the 2nd best character in the game
EDIT: LOL this aged very well
g&w is busted!!
Definitely top 15
@@I_Am_Piranha higher than that for sure
Can confirm
Na. Dude can't fight swords and those are like 1/5 of the roster.
Another thing with the little Mac and pac man matchup, but if pac man uses his trampoline on stage there is practically nothing Mac can do because it puts him in the air
For Inkling, most inkling mains actually think Steve inkling is relatively even as she has a really good time in neutral against steve with her movement, bair and combo options. Booyah is really consistent on steve and she can punish his recovery really well with inkbomb coverage.
Shulk is terrible though and yoshi is also up there for worst matchup
ROB, too. Gyro is really hard to contest for her.
I’m not sure I’d call it inkling’s worst match up but Steve definitely wins it
I’ve played many inklings in tournament and haven’t lost to one and Steve can kill them off 1 jab because pickaxe cycles are easy on them and their up-b doesn’t go through blocks
Agreed. As an Inkling main, Steve is like, terrible. Shulk is the worst, R.O.B. is difficult sometimes, and I havent yet lost to a Yoshi. Tbh it depends on the playstyle for me.
This is true ive never had trouble like i did with a inkling when j was playing randoms online. I won but still it wasn’t fun 😂
The funny part about Incineroar is all 3 Metroid characters could be argued to be his worst matchup
Incineroar has a really rough time approaching Samus because of charge shot, and he can't revenge charge shot or bomb, or even missile if she's approaching, because she just lands a free grab from outside Incin's revenge activation hitbox
Her big aerials do a fantastic job at keeping Incin at bay, which takes away Incin's strength of usually having bigger hitboxes than his opponent does
Samus also is almost impossible to edgeguard without a risky read, and if she tethers to the ledge, Incin can't 2 frame her either, and bombs also make it similarly difficult to juggle her, which is something Incin really likes doing
As for Ridley, he has way bigger hitboxes than Incin, a projectile that leads into a ton of damage and a free grab if revenged or shielded, a command grab that can clank with or sometimes outright have priority over Alolan Whip, and a multijump, making approaching in neutral pretty much a lost cause. Even if you get Ridley offstage, all you can really do is get a revenge on the up B, nothing else is really even worth going for because of how good Ridley's side B and nair are at finding reversals on Incin, and even with that one revenge that Incin can find it's still nearly impossible to use it, because of how good Ridley's fair, nair, side B, and multijumps in combination with each other are at letting him take space by force, making ledgetrapping, something Incin is usually pretty good at, more trouble than it's worth. And even if Incin finds a solid hit on Samus or Ridley, they're both heavy and die way later than most characters. For all these reasons I'd even say these two are worse than Zero Suit, because at least Incin can box with Zero Suit if he plays smart enough.
Exactly right with Duck Hunt. Mega Man destroys the little dog. People think Samus is a losing matchup, but the gunman blocks projectiles. It's a shield similar to Steve's block placement. The only things I can think of off the top of my head that will go through it is Steve's minecart and Mega Man's gear thingy. Charge shots of all kinds, reflectors, and all other projectiles that aren't secondary effects of attacks (like King Dedede's up b's stars) can't get through
Other than that? Captain Falcon is a rough honorable mention. But an UNDERRATED duck hunt counter is kirby and pichu. Gunman, side b discs, and cans can hardly ever hit them. Just crouch and you've countered most of duck hunt's kit. Luckily duck hunt has good smash attacks that are disjointed and can catch them jumping and crouching, so along with their weight stat they die fairly early. That's the only reason they're lower than mega man
As a Mii Gunner player, Sonic is nowhere near the character's worst matchup. Definitely a bad one, but Falco is borderline unplayable. Falco's down b shuts down Gunner's primary gameplan, and has the tools to keep Gunner away while being able to also rushdown effectively.
I dont play gunner but i agree, its pretty common knowledge these days that gunner goes even with sonic so i found that quite odd he said worst matchup
Petition for every character's BEST matchup
3/4ths of the cast would be ganondorf lol
@@yeet.mp8458 Other characters like Mac, DK, and Puff would also appear quite frequently.
Honestly feel like Dedede's worst match up is Palutena-nairs for days, juggles easy as hell, invulnerability on aerials if they're not disjointed, all of her projectiles interact poorly with inhale & gordo, insane ground speed, teleport recovery for dodging edge guards, and a counter to top it all off. Such a miserable match up.
Bayo main here, I feel like Bayo should've at least been mentioned in Rob's worst matchup. Bayo combos Rob into oblivion, she can witch time Rob's gyro, and she is one of few characters able to edge guard Rob effectively because of her amazing offstage tools. This is just my opinion, I can completely understand his reasoning for picking g n w.
And the fact that bayo worst match up is sonic, I'm gonna combo bayos into hell, seeing as I'm a sonic main.
@@Ruby_BFB imma bayo main too and can confirm that playing against sonic, minmin and also snake is torture
I can see Villager doing pretty well against R.O.B. since they can pocket his gyro.
I think the worst matchup for K. Rool is Villager. Small, has aerials that can interrupt all of K. Rool's aerial approaches, can Nair out of shield, can pocket the Crown meaning K. Rool doesn't get to use it for the entire match and drops the Bowling Ball on his head when recovering or can come from the side with slingshot.
Imo it’s definitely falcon you have to play the matchup once to know why
While this is true, imo it's Sephiroth. For a lot of the reasons you mentioned, but also because his higher damage/killpower than villager
Ehh, I’m more inclined to say Falco. I get combo’d way too easily, and I can never recover without a back air flying at me while I can’t do anything about it. Blunderbuss? Get reflected! Screw up an attack? 65% is G O N E after one grab. Honestly fighting him blows…
I disagree I’ve beaten plenty of villagers but falco, MK, and sora make me want to end my life. And min min is just not gonna count.
Villager main. I think its solid -1ish for K. Rool. Super fun matchup for villager especially if they're good at using counter you can get some volleys going back and forth with tree or bowling ball which is ridiculous. Someone will miss and die at 0.
As a diehard Banjo Kazooie main their worst matchup is Isabelle/Villager. Mainly Isabelle. They pocket grenegg and hold it until you take their stock. You have to use grenegg smart to make sure they don’t pocket it.
Isabelle is an absolute nightmare for banjo. Also Kazuya feels borderline unwinnable at higher level play. Banjo can rarely kill Kazuya before 100% and once that rage activates he is in serious trouble. Things will feel in your favor until you get down b'd through your slow projectiles and killed at absurdly low percents basically for free. On the plus side, Banjo feels uniquely capable against Steve!
@@oomenacka Banjo can technically use Breegul Blaster to pressure Kazuaya and prevent him from getting too close.
The problem is that you still beat Villager/Isabelle. Your still playing a better character, banjos just rely too heavily on grenade egg and dont know how to play without it.
@7:35 Bacon. The enemy of fitness.
Hahaha
I feel like mii gunna's worst match up would be the same as snakes because they are very similar (projectile trap characters) so maybe g&w or Megaman
Steve for ryu feels really weird. It makes sense for ken, that matchup is just awful, but steve actually struggles with ryu in neutral because of shakanetsu. It beats minecart and hits steve for it, and steve corners himself to mine and his bad jump height makes him likely to get hit if the ryu just holds center and zones with a mix of grounded and short hop fireballs. I've heard other ryu players say steve was -1 at worst, even at best. The worst matchups are the good zoners and swordies since they can just swat through fireballs with big hitboxes and edgeguard his relatively linear recovery. Rosa does fit in that category, but steve just doesn't make sense for this one.
Nah I’m a Steve main and when I see a Ryu I just see combo food, because I just build a wall so Ryu has to approach, and in close range one Steve up tilt is 60+% and possibly death for Ryu
(Steve up tilt is safe on Ryu’s shield btw)
I would say that Mii Brawler's worst matchup is Shulk, basically just Cloud with shield art to ruin every kill confirm. Brawler really struggles to kill without combos
As a metaknight main I can confirm metaknight k rool is the most fun matchup in the game.
I can Also confirm it
If you did the best matchup for every character, I bet at least 2/3 of characters would be ganondorf
But Ganon is the worst character in the game??
@@I_Am_Piranha yeah, which is why he's the easiest character for a lot of the cast to fight, especially zoners and combo characters
@@flamethefurry3516 Oooooh shit I read your comment wrong nvm. Yeah that would be true my bad.
Now I understand why I hate so much MinMin, I can't do My Lemon Man shennanigans with those arms on the field
Personally I'd say Olimar has an even worse time with Joker than Cloud simply because Joker gets Arsene for free if you ever try to throw a Pikmin that isn't purple at him. Olimar vs. Joker is basically restricting Olimar's most spammable tool because you don't want to be fighting Arsene for 95% of the match.
Every time G&W is the counter pick I know Jordan is just secretly smiling to himself.
shulk counter: 5
steve counter: 10
mr game and watch counter: 9
marth/lucina counter: 1
olimar counter: 3
sonic counter: 7
luigi counter: 1
sephiroth counter: 3
palutena counter: 1
yoshi counter: 1
kazuya counter: 1
min min counter: 3
pac-man counter: 3
joker counter: 4
samus / dark samus counter: 2
cloud counter: 3
bayonetta counter: 1
pikachu counter: 4
zero suit samus counter: 3
diddy kong counter: 1
wolf counter: 1
mega man counter: 2
roy/chrom counter: 1
sora counter: 1
pyra and mythra counter: 4
ROB counter: 2
hero counter: 1
fox counter: 1
snake counter: 1
rosalina counter: 1
ice climber counter: 1
metaknight counter: 1
I'd like to argue that Cloud worst matchups is Min Min. She edgeguards you for free, cloud has 0 burst movement and ram ram doesnt let you jump, which is what Cloud wants to do
This episode is just game and watch ruins everyone’s day and I’m all here for it XD
Welcome to another episode of DLC characters, sword fighters, and game and watch!
mii gunner is a bad match against pit, palutena, zelda too
Ryu Main here: I've actually never done the Rosa matchup before lmao I think thats the only matchup I've never done as Ryu
Honorable Mentions are just the really oppressive zoners: Min-Min, Samus, Megaman, Belmonts
As well as just the really mashy characters or the ones who beat out Shakunetsu without trying: Wolf, Sonic, G&W
A lot of people mention Kirby when it comes to Ryu's bad matchups and that's fair but I think that's actually a winning matchup for Ryu, it's just that your old gameplan is out the window and you have to adopt a completely new gameplan just for the sake of fighting Kirby and Puff.
id say any speedy, low profile character is going to wreck the belmonts. pikachu is up there but sheik/joker can really mess you up when they get in
I'm pretty sure toon link's worst mu is shulk. Toon link isn't that slow (only fall speed is pretty slow, otherwise the fastest link) and he can recover vs pythra because of the tether mixup. Shulk can spam safe areals on stage and go offstage with fair to edgeguard toon link.
Toon link’s worst MU is cloud.
@@blast5734 That's entirely possible too. The TL discord mu chart has both of them in a tier of their own, but I personally think the edgeguarding makes the cloud mu a tad easier. Either way it is not pythra :)
@@phermion oh it’s not Pythra, but they are up there. Imo toon link can edge guard Shulk a bit better than cloud, due to bomb 2 framing very well. They are both horrible lol
16:02 was kinda sick tho
Man with that game knowledge and how generally good you are at the game, you could make a "proof of concept" video entering a tournament to counter-pick everyone's worst matchup. Sounds douchy but also fun to watch 😂
Another reason Pac-Man beats Little Mac is that he can camp behind his trampoline and force aerial approaches.
For Inkling I'd not say the Shulk MU is that bad. Personally I main Inkling and one of my mentors, an Inkling from Switzerland, has a lot of experience in the matchup and both him and I think the MU is negative but more ok than others (I'm thinking Peach, Yoshi for example) when you know it really well. No one plays Shulk tho so it's usually kinda hard to get MU experience which can influence.
So this videos is basically everyone worst match up against mostly Steve, Mr. Game and Watch, or other characters.
I have a friend who constantly owns me with dedede. Do I have a surprise for him...got some work to do...
For Mii Swordfighter I feel like another horrible matchup would be with King K Rool, they lack the range most sword users like Cloud and Shulk do, so they would have to deal with K Rool's body armor
Could you do a video describing every character's freest matchup?
It’s just Ganon lol
For Minmin its Byleth
And Sephiroth
Pretty sure Ken and Ryu struggle against sonic even more. I know either wrath or sonido is like 27-0 on Jahzzo
What I get from this is everyone should have a pocket game & watch 😂
I once heard someone say game and watch is a counter pick and I believe them now
honestly i must be a weird ryu or only ever go against steves who dont know how to counter him, but i find once you get the hang of it, steve vs ryu feels almost even. which is wild because playing as ryu makes you feeling like most popular characters are a losing mu.
but yeah. if steve walls you, bait that youll jump over it, then fair it instead and it just breaks all the blocks unless theyre iron.
if youre good on ledge and have good recovery mixups, steve might struggle to do save tnt traps. but its all a race against time. you have to sacrifice a lot of your usual patient defensive play for going in and being aggressive, while also being on the lookout for steves many panic buttons and abuse the hell out of back air. if you know the right di mixups too, a lot of steves i go against dont know what to do to continue their combos to their proper finisher and have to end it early.
its really weird. steve has every tool in the book to deal with anything and everything ryu has and then some. but i find im excited whenever someone says theyll play steve into my ryu, sure its frustrating at times, but it comes with practice and adaptability.
Watching pt 1 and pt 2 is like watching the 2020 game awards, except instead of hearing, "the award goes to.. the last of us part 2" it's "their worst match up is... Mr. game and watch."
29:00
“Against two women with GIANT MAGICAL…”
🤨
“…swords!”
😮💨😅
SWORDS???
Don't fuck with magical sword lesbians. Or regular sword lesbians, for that matter. They have swords.
As a jigglypuff main (yes we do exist) I don’t see yoshi as a big threat
fun fact: olimar can counter most magic spell/elemental power in the game
red pikmin can't be harmed by fire attacks
yellow pikmin can't be harmed by lightning attacks
blue pikmin can't be harmed by water attacks
As a cloud main i can agree, joker is really bad especially when he has arsene. Best thing you can do is hoping opponent does whiff something and then you have to be there to punish it.
Other honorable mentions: MinMin (very hard to approach, your backair as a tool is like non-existent) , Bowser (Fire, Two Frame Options, hard to kill) Pikachu and maybe surprisingly also DK sometimes because he can grab you at like 40 and kill you offstage 🤯🤯)
You can also add Ridley to the list of honorable mentions, because he can cheese him out, ledge trap him, and gimp his terrible recovery.
I know that this was made before the current, but Mii Gunner does decently well against Sonic thanks to their projectiles actually being able to keep Sonic away fairly well. But if you really want a bad matchup for them, Wolf just negates everything Gunner wants to do and is able to deal damage and go for KOs more often than Gunner would want to.
But still great video
Fighting Sora with Dedede is awful, although personally I've had much more trouble with Fox, Palutena and Mega Man. Could just be me though
I personally think Dedede's worst matchup is in fact Mega Man. Of course nearly every attack in the game bounces back gordo, but with the slew of projectiles at Mega Man's disposal, Dedede has a hard time with Mega Man. I think part of the reason it's his worst matchup imo is due to pellets. Pellets completely destroy any opportunity to get any sort of footing with gordo.
I feel like for part three when you get into dlcs terry’s worst match up would be bayo
3:55 did you just call Pyra a swords man
“Run around shitting”😂
Wake up babe, part 2 is out
This video is very helpful, thank you Mr. Poppt
As a guy that plays Toon Link casually, my buddy’s Palutena is my worst matchup; he just counters/reflects everything I do (since we can read each other like books) so I’m reduced to grabbing him and comboing him off of that, which is boring and annoying for both of us
Bro as a Robin player Olimar makes me suffer way more than I ever thought, I hate the fact that depending which parasite I’m thrown it will survive my projectile, the red one will survive Arcfire, the Yellow one will survive thunder and levin sword attacks for when it lands on me, my Robin tries his best but mf is slow and his projectiles have like the lowest priority known to man
29:08 didn't expect Poppt to make a Xenoblade reference while talking about the Xenoblade characters totally coincidentally lmao
I loved your totk stream are you going to do more of them, also you should upload some totk content it would be so good
The thumbnail alone is proof that Jordan acknowledges the fact that Meta Knight is K. Rool's bad matchup.
27:18 And there it is! This is the moment I have waited for!
22:07 Hurtbox shifting is A FUCKING CRIME
maybe you should do a video where you explain every characters best match up
So a video about how every character dunks on ganon?
@@AWanderingSwordsman LMAO so true
Im curious to see how each characters best match up chart would go....would probably be 95% ganondorf but like excluding ganon would be pretty interesting
Prolly have to exclude lil mac too lol
“hes gonna shoot through the frisbee” it is a CLAY PIGEON! HE IS A HUNTER HUNTERS USE CLAY PIGEON!
Game and Watch < Zero Suit Samus < Wolf< ROB< Game and Watch...
I know the 4 characters imma main
Bro when poppit1 said the worst matchup for villager, I was watching a smash down of cpus, and villager and hero were in the same match!
Good now you gotta do every characters best matchup
Update, it's not all steve
no way wold worst masctup is rob
hes not that broken lol
@@thebread42525in the hands of an average player he’s not that bad The problem is all his ridiculous combos and difficult to pull off tech options top players can do with him that put him in a league of his own.
I don't know what you mean regarding Toon Link. I can't speak to his matchup chart, but unlike Link he is actually very fast with fast moves as well.
Woah Meta Knight is good against King K. Rool? Nice.
I mean I love pointcrows play through of totk but I wanna see all of yours because your play through of botw was so funny and heart warming that it got me through a really tough patch in my life
* ITS A FRICKEN DRAGON BOIIIIIII* roams rent differ in my head forever now
So in summary:
Steve is everyones worst matchup
As a former Mii Swordfighter main (and as someone who still plays the character) their worst matchup is Pichu. Mii Swordfighter relies on Tornado into up-air for the vast majority of their kills, and Pichu is the only character in the game where that literally never works because of how light they are, not to mention that Pichu is in general extremely hard to hit for Swordfighter, and Swordfighter doesn’t have any fast get-off-me tools which is a huge problem when faced with a fast rush-down combo character like Pichu
lets go part 2!!!! steve is too good
I get he gave backups for Steve maybe he should also be giving em for game and watch lmao
I'm staring to see why poppt1 mains game and watch
I think robin has decent approach because of the stun from little thunder and arcfire
I was so expecting to see Min Min as little macs worst match up but oh well I saw pac man coming
THE RISE OF MR. GAME AND WATCH!! HE COUNTER PICKS EVERYONE! 😭
9:36 Despite the fact that this is Mac’s worst MU, Peanut beat Kurshaun in the Bo5 and won that Tourney 🥊🥊
I thought Krools worst mu was gonna be captains falcon. Our only +2 mu :(
Whoever said Rob is Ridley's worst matchup is lying. It's much closer to 60-40 and I'm not unconvinced it's even.
Seeing kazuya with the same amount of best matchups as rosa and ice climbers doesn't feel right.
As a rob main, the best thing to do against G&W is not use ROB at all. 😂
Steve, next question
Well at least its a single bad matchup per character, kinda fair to say my boy Incineroar struggles against (Insert projectile character here)
A bunch of these clips were not well chosen as they were showing the losing match-up dominate
As an isabelle main, fighting against Pyra/mythra isnt that difficult, sure it more in favour of them if they play well, but it isnt the worse and isabelle can still beat them, mythra still has to respect slingshots and pyra has to be careful with side b or else isabelle gets a really good projectile that can guarantee a kill for her since she can still attack
I think Pikachu/Pichu is a more difficult matchup, Pikachu has pressure with their neutral that can deal with llyoid if isabelle isn't in front, they've good aerial's and are a hard target to hit with pelts