Over on the second channel, David Chen and I did a commentary discussion about this video, how it was made, with more thoughts on the current state of Star Wars ruclips.net/video/wgRvF6WAhBU/видео.html
Wait, if DIsney Star Wars "ran off pure nostalgia" wouldn't that contradict "This is a movie about space wizards intended for children"? Children are not the core demographic for nostalgia because children hardly have any nostalgia.
12:20 I like Mike Stoklasa's theory as to how Palpy survived - that guy who was blown up in "Return of the Revenge of the Jedi" was a clone that the ancient original was controlling through the Force. We may have never seen this guy before. It clutters up and retroactively demeans the simplicity of how the character was killed off in the 1983 film, but it is an answer, and the jar of Snokes was a visual clue as to how it works.
Hi, Pat! Sorry to hear that you've said goodbye to Star Wars. Might I recommend a better franchise with the word "Star" in the title? STAR TREK!! No, not the movies (Although Star Trek VI is a personal favourite). No, Im talking about the Television. In particular The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. To me, even though the effects are sub par (half the effects are recycled from the movies), I remember and love the episodes (even better than some movies) because in the end, it's all about character rather than spectacle or special effects. It's a bit of a commitment, (7 seasons per series, 26 Episodes per season) but, with the quarantine in the US... In any case, I do recommend these series, especially Deep Space Nine, if you're looking for a story about Space Prophets & Space Nazis intended for people of all ages.
Your mixtape analogy is exactly where I'm at with Star Wars: I'm choosing to focus on the parts of it that I love and ignore the parts I don't. Just because TROS let me down doesn't mean I have to stop enjoying the parts that I love!
Yeah I love the analogy too. Besides, we probably all do that (to some extent) anyway; there are parts of the movies we probably switch off a little during then re-engage fully at parts we enjoy. I do that with some of the prequels ones and will do in the future with TRoS, but I'm sure others will do it in different movies and that's fine.
I'm actually on a Star Wars high right now despite TRoS. Jedi: Fallen Order, The Mandalorian, rewatching Clone Wars in preparation for season 7... TRoS was bad, but people acting like all of SW is bad now just because of it need to try some other things. I hear a lot of the books and comics are good too! I just haven't gotten around to any of them. As sad as it is TRoS was bad, there is still so much good, and so it's easy to just get over the bad and focus on the good, at least to me.
When my friends said Rise of Skywalker was the best movie it blew my mind. It is purely awful, and feels like a standalone film that has nothing to do with the 2 before it.
Exactly my feelings: it was a breakup. It didn't make me mad, i wasn't angry, i wasn't insulting anyone on the internet, i didn't blame jj or kenned or bob iger. Just went home, told my girlfriend i had lots of fun (it was a marathon of the whole trilogy and there were cosplayers there and much Star Wars energy). Then i woke her up in the middle of the night "i am really dissappointed and sad". Then i felt stupid for being so excited about it in the first place. Then i unsuscribed all those channels about star wars i used to watch, i found myself not knowing what to do or read or watch at lunch time; i went all the process of breaking up with someone. And i felt stupid again, my fault. Now i am fine, enjoying my free time, watching other movies but nothing serious at the moment, taking it easy, enjoying my time. Probably in the future i will be able to sit and have a coffee with TRoS, catch up and remember that it wasn't all that bad; Babu Frick was nice. Edit: I wrote this comment before watching the whole video, we agree on Babu.
@@chillingongreens As someone who hated TLJ and was told to shut up and how I didnt matter and all that fucking bile Im sure youll find people like me have no apathy
@@Crispman_777 shit my bad yea apathy towards Star Wars no sympathy to the jack asses who whimpered its a kids movie with space wizards while at the same time trying to champion deep themes only to now do the same shit they hated people for doing. So yea that side can fuck off
The Rise of Skywalker shouldve been a 2 hour The Office style movie watching Kylo Ren struggle to run the First Order as the Resistance goes undercover into the ranks, disguised as galactic tax auditors
My favorite thing about Patrick is that he makes it ok to like and not like things. Like guys, its ok to like things. It’s also ok to not like things. Thanks Patrick. Great video.
OptimusShr oh that’s a good one. You mean he was right when he talked about Alien and the acid and how it would go though the ship even though acid neutralizes at a point. But then later on in the video says “I guess if your too busy tweeting about plot holes you can miss some things”. Furthermore, the illogical segment when he talks about A quiet place, doesn’t mean people should be dumb to be human. There are smart intelligent people in the world. Like the main characters at the beginning of the movie, but make choices that contradict their intelligence shown previously. If you are open to see a breakdown of the video there is Cynical Reviews and the EFAP#2 video that break it down better then I ever could.
@@FilmmakerIQ I just got to that point in the video and had to scroll down here to see if I was the only old fogey who would get that reference!! :D (or at least the only one to use the term "fogey")
That's honestly how i feel about TLJ, it hurts to hear people say they love it, because I can see parts where I could like it but I can't get over the story telling and film making issues I had with it. I'm not a screaming fan boy who hates anyone who likes tlj...I just wish I could.
@@attmlb yea but after being called everything under the sun and insulted by these high brow shit lords that follow Patty I dont have any empathy at all. I just like to point and laugh and piss on their DT
Unlike Last Jedi, nobody seems mad about this movie. The majority of us just don't care about it. The fan base that was previously divided in passionate love and hate has turned into a fan base mostly united in indifference. And that, is exactly what Disney feared.
Kind of hard to care after TLJ I just laughed the whole time and even laughed at some TLJ and Reylo fans who where upset after the movie that feed my fucking soul. Remember what was said we can always support the parts we like well I can always pirate those parts I have 1-6 I dont need 7-9
Yep. The reaction to TROS at work was remarkable. No one talked about it after it came out. (And I work in software.). It was exactly like the Monday after the last episode of GoT.
Yeah, The Last Jedi is what broke the franchise, because it pissed off one group, and set unreasonable expectations from the other, such that neither could ever be satisfied with the third. It was the worst possible way to do a mid-quel.
@@timogul I don't think the expectations of TLJ fans were unrealistic. We just wanted a film that would've continued the story properly and given us a fun, emotional ride along the way. Trevorrow's film as it's drafted would likely have been a disappointment (it's half good ideas, poorly executed to half bad ideas, poorly executed and Trevorrow is kind of a big nothing as a director in my book) but it wouldn't have been as miserable an experience as TRoS by a long way.
Kathleen Kennedy, Abrams and Disney fucked up badly by not planning the narrative outline for the 3 movies. That said, Disney pussying out on committing to what the Last Jedi set up is the 2nd biggest travesty. Kylo Ren being the supreme leader and Rey being a nobody is a fascinating set up. Like I want to know what happens . . . then Rise of Skywalker happened and pretty much dissapointed everyone.
Isn't that Sequel trilogy in a nutshell? Force Awakens isn't a sequel to Return of the Jedi. Last Jedi doesn't follow any of the plot threads from Force Awakens And Rise of Skywalker completely disregards Last Jedi.
Personally I'm pretty happy it ended up the way it did. TLJ wasn't consistent with TFA either, it's better for the entire trilogy to be a mess and easy to disregard, rather than changing it up (to its detriment, according to many fans) and then having that baffling change be reinforced in the 3rd film.
For some reason when I heard that in the video I just imagined a regular centipede in Jedi robes and I chuckled. Now I the human one and it is horrible.
Like the guys from The Weekly Planet Podcast said, "It's a sequel to a movie that doesn't exist. It's not a sequel to The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi, it's a sequel to what haters of The Last Jedi wanted from the fan re-make."
I'm so tired of TLJ fanboys pretending the haters like The Rise of Skywalker...like no, both of the movies are complete trash, and Rian Johnson is the culprit.
Guys at the end of the day ur being a bit dramatic. TFA was a fun little film that felt like the originals again whilst adding new characters and playing the plot safe. TLJ took way more risks and made some interesting choices whether u like those choices or not. TROS was just a typical star wars film, nothing particularly special but with some fun moments albeit a messy plot. As a trilogy, each film seems quite random and different from the others in places. Whether u think they’re trash or great that’s fine.
The Mandalorian comments before we got a season of literallly Boba Fett, Ahsoka, Bo Katan and Luke Skywalker, being shiny, and doing the things we'd expect. Fine wine Mr Willems
I love how the technical quality of your videos has increased so much, lately I not only enjoy the content itself, but also how the videos are written and filmed. Thanks for being so inspiring, as someone who's trying to learn filmmaking through people like you or Michael from Lessons from the Screenplay, I really appreciate you!
I mean it was that or Mustafar. Is there any spot in the universe where Anakin was ever happy? Oh. Oh shit. It should have been Naboo. Dammit JJ how are you so bad at writing scripts.
I do the "Mixtape" thing for the X-Men films. In my head I only acknowledge 1, 2, First Class, DoFP and Logan existing and it's the best franchise ever.
I think the reason The Mandalorian works for me is that the scope is so refreshingly small, and the story is about the eponymous character learning humanity on the fly. Sure, it has the odd filler episode (which has a greater negative impact due to the limited series length) but it also manages to fit in themes about parenting, individual morality vs creed honor codes and the need to ask for help. It outlines these themes clearly and reinforces them as the show progresses. I'll take simple storytelling like that over and above the thematic mess that was TROS.
Hey Patrick, this video really spoke to me. I definitely disliked The Rise of Skywalker strongly, and reacted to it in exactly the same way you did, down to the love and excitement coming out of The Last Jedi. The mixtape/comic book analogy is a really great way of accepting installments in stories/franchises you love that really don't do it for you. I'm definitely going to do that. Thanks for the great stuff, man. Also, that R2-D2 shot is gold.
@GiRayne I can certainly understand where you're coming from. As for Vader in RotJ, I always hold the belief that a singular film can never be improved or ruined by sequels and spinoffs, that the quality of the story as it was initially released is all that really matters. Vader's Redemption can't be taken out of it's original context, even though both the Prequels and Sequels now have their own ways of undermining it. Plus after watching TRoS, Palpatine acts more like Voldemort than the character in the original six films. But I can respect how it can ruin it for you, and I know it sucks. As for Disney's blunder with TRoS, I don't really know what went on or how to crack the code, but I believe that this is a "Batman v Superman into Justice League" scenario but in reverse. TLJ had a polarized reaction, but only from fans. The film was insanely profitable and was critically lauded. Yet Disney lost Trevorrow and thus cut almost a year off Episode IX's production. So they then hire JJ, and that's probably what went wrong. Disney is a lot more hands-on with LucasFilm than Marvel Studios, and I think JJ and they wanted to win back the fanbase that hated TLJ. But we'll never really know why this happened for years.
After finally seeing this trilogy end, I have come to the conclusion that The Rise of Skywalker is what the people who absolutely despise The Last Jedi think TLJ is. I think a permanent lesson to be learned from this is that giving the fans "What they want." is a terrible idea if you base your whole film around it. You can take into account and put in some things they may want to see, but directors, producers, writers, etc. should remember it is their artistic vision that should get the best say in the end. That's why they're the ones making it after all. Implicitly Pretentious said this in his defense of TLJ, but if we did really just give the fans "what they want" we would have marketing and business boardroom decisions making all of our art instead of actual artistic decisions. And the worst parts of the fanbase were so angry that Johnson (who is a fan of Star Wars, don't try to argue otherwise...he grew up with the movies, played with the toys, and cheered during the original trilogy as all of you reading this as well) made a film that evolved the series rather than just giving everybody a bunch of "feel good" vibes or loading it with a bunch of endless fan-service. Making people feel weird and making risky decisions that fit into the meta-narrative of the series and what inspired these movies rather than just making the whole thing one big celebration. I actually didn't know too much of what to make after VIII when I first saw it. I was going through a lot of stuff on that day, and with how some of the decisions got to me and how some alienated or made me feel odd I didn't how it fit in the whole saga to my opinion. I knew it was competently made but how it resonated with my "Star Wars" side was unclear. But after more viewings and listening to the people who liked it talk about it I decided to open my mind more. And I eventually found my own reasons for why I think it's the deepest, most engaging, and thoughtful look into the series since 1983. Market research can do a lot of good for people and lead to some interesting things but...TRoS...along with how we got that shitty theatrical ending to Little Shop of Horrors instead of the potent, amazing, and more resonate downer "Don't Feed the Plants" ending when test viewings showed audiences couldn't handle a bummer finale is what makes me hate it at times.
TLJ Haters: WE WANT REY RELATED TO SOMEONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JJ Abrams: Ok. TLJ --> TROS Haters: NO WE DON'T LIKE THIS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! WE GONNA HARASS YOUR ACTORS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND SEND DEATH THREATS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! Sane Star Wars Fans: This is fine.
Honestly if Johnson would just be nice to people online and not making fun of the fan base like that, than I think people view TLJ in a different light. The hate of the movies only escalates because they don’t want to support filmmakers who is mean to the fan base.
Don't get it wrong. Critics of TLJ didn't like RoS. It wasn't the film they wanted, even if it seems to be aimed at them. Because TLJ haters didn't just want fan service, despite what a lot of TLJ fans seem to think. They wanted a good movie that was faithful to the originals. They don't reject all new ideas, they just reject the ones in TLJ because many of them are at best extremely at odds with what people like about Star Wars, and at worst completely nonsensical.
@@someguywhocanfly What specifically do people hate about TLJ? I genuinely want to know. I wasn't a huge fan of that movie but didn't understand the hand wringing and negativity over it. I mean, we survived the prequels. I've only become interested in the conflict after seeing how fan feedback affected TROS.
@@JaRW7 There's a lot of reasons, I don't want to write out an essay but there are a lot of videos out there. I personally like MauLer's videos on the subject. To list a few points, Luke's character feels regressive, Rose is bad, Holdo is bad, it has quite a few things that are lore breaking, including Holdo's hyperspace maneuver thing, and the entire Canto Bight sequence is pointless and silly.
I think this is why I love The Mandalorian, there are a clear influeces that go outside of Star Wars, they went to what influenced Star Wars, Idk, feels more genuine
I agree, Mando takes star wars, takes the familiar themes and basic character types and says "hey, lets try something new, push this somewhere over there to this part we've never touched, but we'll throw in a few easter eggs or plot threads can be ignored if your new, or hype you if you're a long term fan"
@@kasperhawser6431 Exactly, perfect for new and old folk, without remaking nostalgia, using familiar locations to tell a story and not beating you in the head with "references".
I personally like the mandalorian. I wanted new stories in this universe. I'm not a die hard fan but the lore is huge. I've read about mortis, I attempted to watch some of the clone wars. Mandalorian gets back to that spaghetti Western vibe where anything could happen. So far the choices they make have concequences and it interesting to see what would happen to this baby force user if he continues down this path. Also Giancarlo Esposito is a badass and can't wait to see what his plans are.
It also felt... fun? I think people have neglected to mention the biggest shocker of the show: It’s PG. After the grimdark heaviness of Episode IX, it was such a pleasant experience!
The Mandalorian would have been a great way to launch Disney Star Wars. Like, it should have come out before The Force Awakens. It would have been a perfect set-up.
I like the Mandolorian. It's a complete Strontium Dog rip off. I just wish Mando wasn't quite so badass. When he has already killed 50 bandits/stormtroopers/bounty hunters the tension kind of drains out of the battles. The most tense episode was the prison break when he only faced 4 opponents.
@@hastekulvaati9681 We did get to see him trying and failing to assault a sandcrawler. He would also have been killed by a beast were it not for a baby...
@@TheStanishStudios Mandalorian had moments of genuine humour! Which felt natural and character-driven! And were deployed relatively skillfully! I almost forgot Star Wars was allowed to do that.
"What Abrams does throughout this entire movie is mistake nostalgia for story telling" You mean his entire career, Patrick. His entire career. Abrams knows only 3 things: mystery box, lens flare, and nostalgia. Story telling is a foreign concept to JJ.
Eh, Mission Impossible 3 and Felicity would disagree with you there. Those were actually interested in telling a story. I kinda wish he stuck on that path, though.
@@TheGeorgeD13 I would an argue Super 8 and Star Trek (09) best uses his nostalgia boast and mystery box format to great affect. Wished the rest of his films did
I literally laughed in the theater when Chewy got the medal. I was like this fan service is so bad that its hilariously bad. Our family friend who was with us was confused with my reaction at first, but after I explained that it ties back to episode four, he also agreed with me that it was dumb to have in the final film.
Chewie was given Han's medal. Leia was holding it during her final meditation, reaching out to her son Ben. Her connection to their first victory thru the Yavin medal is how she triggered a memory of his father, and her husband. The medal to Chewie was a reference to his lack of medal in Ep4 yes, but also makes sense in-universe as a memory of his best friend.
That was just one of the last dumb moments in a movie that was chock full of dumb moments. Literally, one chased the other. I couldn't believe it, still can't. It's like a 5 year old wrote the script.
That break up opening perfectly captured how I felt after seeing the last movie. Between the shitty entitled fan base, and the baffling narrative choices that were made by Abrams and Terrio I just got fed up. When Force Awakens came out years ago I was super excited going into it. Leaving it I was excited to talk about the movie and spent the next day geeking out with one of my closest friends and playing with toy light sabers. Going into Rise of Skywalker I just felt like I was going out of some weird sense of obligation and when I left I just felt strangely relieved.
Can you really complain about a "shitty entitled fan base" at the same time as complaining about the film? Literally in the same sentence you're complaining about RoS in the same way people complained about TLJ, but somehow still considering yourself to be better than them. Can you really not see that?
@@someguywhocanfly "Can you really complain about a "shitty entitled fan base" at the same time as complaining about the film?" Yes. These things are not the same. Complaining or criticizing RoS is not the same as doing what the people who have been unhinged about TLJ for literally years have done. It isn't shitty or entitled to complain about a movie you don't like. It is shitty and entitled to harass the actors and production staff, as well as people who liked the movie. No one here is complaining about RoS in the same way as people have been about TLJ. So yes, this sort of discourse is better.
@@someguywhocanfly He's not complaining about people who citizens TLJ, he's referring to how excessively and dickishly people behave when they go after ut. It's like they think that it's so bad it justifies however they behabe, when it's still _just a movie._
@@someguywhocanfly criticizing or not liking a film is not being an entitled shitty fan. It wasnt for me. When I say "shitty and entitled" I'm referring to the fucked up prices who dedicate their entire identities around hating a movie and spend their time hating all the people who made it and harassing actors off of social media instead of going "well that was disappointing but you win some and you lose some. But the good news is there is plenty of entertainment in the world so I'm going to read/watch/write something else." I wanted ROS to be good and in my opinion it wasnt. That's not entitlement. That's just how human's consume entertainment. I will always criticize movies and I will always praise movies. That's how the human brain works. Where I draw the line is shitting on any of the people involved. That's why I said I was baffled by the narrative decisions made by Abrams and Terro rather than insulting their character. I know I am not entitled to a good movie. Good movies are hard to make. When we get one it's kind of a miracle. That doesnt mean I cant be disappointed when we dont get a good one.
The content is second to none as always, but man the shots and cinematography in this is crazy good. That opening shot in the bar especially was slick as hell.
I'm confused. There's been no new Star Wars films since The Last Jedi was released. What's Patrick talking about? Palpatine coming back and being Rey's biological grandfather? Nonsense.
Just want to say I admire the idea of video essays with a narrative/continuous sketch framing device. Just seems an interesting, RUclips-specific approach I haven't seen before
Moviebob did this with "game overthinker". Everyone in the comment section said that he should take out the narrative continuous sketch lol. I loved it.
Mixtape is how I take most of my pop-culture. Got burned in 1997 when suddenly all of the Doctor Who books I'd been reading were no longer in Cannon. So [shrugs] I read what I like and I watch what I like on everything
@@theoian People struggle to believe that because one limited auteur fucking up a trilogy isn't as bad as an entire conglomerate fucking up a trilogy. The industry and average viewers can let the former come in and out of their lives. The latter...fucks up the whole industry and the culture.
i'm surprised so many manchildren are still on patrick's channel after all this time. newsflash, no one cares which star wars movie made you bitch the most.
Patrick, as a DP, I really just have to commend you for seriously stepping up your production value this year. The lighting, camera movements, blocking and coverage in general, not to mention the whole continuing story thing... it's a really fresh and novel approach to video essaying and worthy of praise! Keep up the great content. And I hope all of our collective break from Star Wars will do everyone good.
@@Anerisian I disagree. Johnson played off the setup which was given to him, even if he took some left turns. With Rey, Kylo and Finn, he's clearly building on things from the previous film.
@@blokey8 He obviously keeps the same characters. TFA is 90% reboot. The one difference is the thread about Luke missing for a mysterious reason. Finn was badly wounded, but the Resistance won. Kylo, a rebooted Anakin, killed rebooted Obi Wan (the role now played by Han, who is mentor, bestows items and dies in a similar way as Obi Wan). That’s where we left off. All of that is thrown away. Inexplicably, we open with the Empire Striking Back, except there was no empire. It‘s utter nonsense. There was neither how they become the new empire nor in which way losing the superweapon set them back. Another blatant plagiarism that makes sense only as copy of TESB. Finn is perfectly healed again. He is again a bumbling coward at first. The hinted force power was dropped, too. He is paired with a new for-chinese-audiences character and goes off in a different direction that just retreats the same ground. He was already brave at the end of TFA. Rey forgot mostly what Kylo did and is now a complete Luke-impostor with no credible reason why she wants to “turn“ Kylo. Nobody has the idea to “turn” the galaxy’s supervillain who just committed genocide and ruthlessly murdered his own father (from her vantage point) except Luke, where it made sense. It’s such a central plagiarism that Patrick’s entire arguments about “new directions” feel hollow and ridiculous, as much as I appreciate his take. This is like ten points off his qualities as a critic. I can take nobody seriously who buys this, but complains about new directions. He’s great otherwise to take the hit. Lastly, Luke’s story also morphs into a blatant plagiarism. He is simply this trilogy’s Yoda, hiding on a distant planet as an eccentric zen Jedi monk. He is played the same way too, not the Jedi Master the apprentice ( and audience) expect. He adds nothing, and there is no continuity at all, why he left the map, why Poe outran the First Order to obtain it. The one original main thread we spent a film with, about the map and Luke, goes nowhere. For the record, I think the entire trilogy is pure bleak misanthropy with no redeeming qualities. Disney dropped a nuke on their brand that used to have a special place. They obviously wanted to soft-reboot it, but passing it off as continuity. But they didn’t notice what it does thematically. So they rehashed the hope theme four times in a row (with Rogue One), but everyone dies, alone, having achieved nothing. Leia might as well succumb to Tarkin’s torture droid. At least she wouldn’t have to see how her son kills his father, and so on. I don’t blame Johnson at all. Btw. The whole trilogy was planned and executed as sort of reboot. He was just executing that plan.
the Discordian I agree with you, TLJ was a blatant remake of TESB, where you can draw direct lines between the equivalent characters and scenes. And I didn’t like the tone of it because it feels like a mix of a Star Trek episode and Space Balls, parodying itself. But I guess what people count as “originality” was that Ryan prematurely burnt down the premises set in the previous movie.The two biggest mysteries in the previous installment, who is Rey and who is Snoke, are answered with a simple “it doesn’t matter”. But more than anything what the last Jedi accomplished, was to make a group of already boring main characters, even more uninteresting, because all the possible follow up scenarios didn’t have anything interesting in it, leaving only two paths to solve that, either weave a new story with new characters, or retcon/undo the events of this one. And they chose the last.
It hurts me to agree so strongly with everything in this video. But it hurts even more to know that half of the fanbase prefers the unevolving comfort food version of Star Wars, and how Disney bent to that demand rather than continuing to let its creators pioneer something exciting.
the ppl who criticized the last jedi do not like the rise of skywalker. ur strawmaning ppl u disagree with also its a movie about space wizards intended for children anyway, y u mad?
I havent watched the whole video yet but I'm willing to bet that this is a better sequel to its predecessor than The Rise Of Skywalker was Edit: it was
As someone brought on board by VII and cemented in my love for the new films by VIII, I've come to the conclusion that for Star Wars, I was a rebound. And now it's gone back to its angry ex.
Have you heard the tragedy of Rise of the Skywalker? It took every piece of mainstream TLJ criticism to heart and made a Star Wars movie as nostalgic and similar to the original triology as possible.......except it went too far and all fanctions of the fanbase ended up hating it.
I gotta say, I wish it ended with TLJ, at least there's some finality and some vision to this cluttering. TRoS did nothing, it was like a wave while you're standing in the ocean and it's full of terrible ideas and execution.
Man, that's a real bummer that a lot of people seem to feel that way. I had a great deal of fun with all three of the Sequels. I feel like the only one who actually genuinely has enjoyed every second of all 3 of those movies. That said, I don't really get why you wish it ended with TLJ just because you felt the third one was not good. That doesn't seem to make sense to me. They're just movies at the end of the day, no need to wish things were different with something as simple as a Star Wars movie. Or any movie. When a movie isn't good, all one has to do is shrug and move on.
@@TheGeorgeD13 I agree that it doesn't make sense to wish it ended with TLJ, but I think that because TLJ didn't actually have a proper ending. Your argument is just "don't care so much", which makes me think you're someone who doesn't have much investment in any of the previous movies and just watched these new ones as action flicks.
@@someguywhocanfly That couldn't be further from the truth. I'm as invested as a person can be. But to be upset when it's not good seems unnatural to me. I've been disappointed before sure, but when that happens, I just shrug and move on. To act otherwise, you'd have to force yourself to be that upset I think. I don't see how a normal human being gets that upset over a movie, even one they were looking forward too. Very unnatural behavior if you ask me. And Star Wars ARE action flicks. What's wrong with that? You can't be invested in action flicks? What? You make no sense.
@@TheGeorgeD13 Being invested and "shrugging and moving on" are almost polar opposites. You can't claim both at the same time. Being invested doesn't just mean "I like this thing", it means you care about it on a deep level and really want it to do well. I agree that there are lines you shouldn't cross, but that line seems to be in different places for everyone. I don't think getting into arguments online is going too far as long as you're civil. I don't think making a video essay is going too far. My point about the action flicks was that it seems you're ONLY viewing them as action flicks. As in, no investment in story or characters or plot. Yes, Star Wars films have action in them, but there's a lot more to them than that, at least for the people that are invested. It's like how I watch Marvel movies. They're fun to watch but I don't particularly care about who wins or who lives and dies. Because I'm not a diehard marvel fan. It's not wrong to NOT be invested, but you shouldn't pretend like your opinion has any relevance to the people that are.
Amen. Agree with everything 100%. Lifelong SW fan (48) who LIKES TFA, loved TLJ and hated TROS. The saga ends with broom boy for me and I'm just fine with that.
Just with like the last Jedi you managed to capture amazingly close how I feel. I don't wanna go to a forum and hate on Star Wars or talk as blandly disappointed like I sometimes found myself doing about the Prequels, but after I loved the last Jedi and now got the Rise of Skywalker I feel kinda empty and just hope my love for those movies will come back with future projects this franchise will bring.
@@bubbus5183 dude where the comment section on a video. Asking is rhetorical.. I'm sorry your dad doesn't love you and you have to be an ass to feel some kind of emotion
If you didn’t know, we have a second channel, and we’ll be posting a behind the scenes commentary discussion about this video there soon ruclips.net/channel/UCMAwBUlaxyqZY-2hVac8qgg
I’m not a fan of TROS, but I love that the TLJ-lovers are pissed off at this movie. The TLJ-lovers smuggly called out anyone critical of the movie in 2017-18 with, “You just didn’t get the movie you wanted.” Now those same people are complaining about TROS cause they didn’t get the movie they wanted! Lol. The sad thing is they will never see the irony.
Thinh Vo There is a small segment of the fanbase that’s been doing that crap since 1999 to Lucas, Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best, etc, so let’s stop pretending this only happened to Rian Johnson. Nobody condones that stuff so please stop generalizing that EVERYONE did it.
@@chrisolivo6591 At this point? I am done pretending star wars fan is anything but despicable. The fact is the same people who said "dont generalize the group" is the same one who go to rian johnson twitter talk about how the movie is shit when he address about George Floyd. Hell i dont even consider myself star wars fan.
24:46 Here's what I did. I wrote an alternate script for episode IX. It was cathartic, fun and solved all of MY problems with the movie. It was pretty therapeutic, and I could insert how many PrequelMemes references I judged necessary. I'll even use it as my head canon until they release a sequel and I have to face an alive Chewie.
I found that same approach produced the opposite result. The deeper I got into it, the more I found myself going "if I can see these throughlines and payoffs, why couldn't they?"
Did you see the whole Mandalorian season? Sure, there are many homages and references to the original trilogy, but it's a new story! Finally! To me it's a breath of fresh air to NOT have to revisit the old characters and the same plotline. The show draws it's inspiration not so much from star wars as from old westerns that in turn was inspired by the old samurai movies (just like the original trilogy). Like The Predator and the Terminator was a mashup of matcho action and slasher flicks, The Mandalorian is a mashup of Star Wars and Western, and I'm here for it. The references and homages to old material is just on the sidelines, that's not what the show is about. Right now it looks to me to be about a bounty hunter that starts to reevaluate his life and what makes life worth living.
Spot on. Patrick was a wee bit dismissive here. It's about a character learning to develop his own sense of morality rather than relying on a credo, and he rediscovers his humanity along the way. It was also a relief to have a smaller scale story in the SW universe.
Well I have less of a problem with the old characters being in the Sequels and more with the old storylines. The reset to the Empire-vs Rebellion was what killed the Sequels. All three of them. The setting should have been different. Then you could have had old and new characters together doing new storylines in new situations. But yeah, I also love new spinoffs like the Mandalorian that just flesh out the world more.
Naaah sorry. I like the Mandalorian but I wouldn't sayit is a breath of fresh air for Star Wars. What you label as references is extremely on the nose fan service. I like most of them but they feel just too forced kind of like "Oh The Last Jedi was too unfamiliar? Have this! And this! And This! You recognize this right?". The dialogue is too often just plain exposition (a problem reminding me of the prequels) and while I do like the the one single plot approach the middle of season on feels interchangable. This is sounds extremely negative so let me stress that I still like the MNandalorian. What I do not understand at all is how fans say that this series "truly gets Star Wars" but the first two sequels do not.
@@KasCalwein The Last Jedi was not "too unfamiliar". It was the beginning of Empire on repeat and had plenty of it's own elements that had no function other than being fan service (like the ATAT's on Crait despite the terrain being easy to walk on as well as the Snow Troopers on Crait despite the weather not being cold).
I forgot I put this into my Watch Later list YEARS ago and I am sorry. That was a blast, and it’s nice to know there are people who share very similar opinions to me on (waves arms) all of the star warses.
Bravo, Patrick. You’ve said everything I’ve been thinking since seeing this movie but haven’t been able to adequately articulate. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
"It's like watching a Boba Fett action figure walk around classic Star Wars playsets" is the most accurate description of the Mandalorian I've ever heard.
The only thing I liked from tros was kylo’s redemption and his relationship with Rey, I think that he should have not died because basically Luke, Leia and Han sacrificed themselves for him and he died anyway
NN ZZ Quinton Reviews pointed out that villains who get redeemed often die so that the story can avoid the logical next step of the authority figures of our heroes locking the redeemed villains up for all their past crimes.
@@Wired4Life2 this is what most of western stories do - kill the redeemed villains. It's such a poor choice. It lacks originality, writers really should go beyond making the redeemed character die or putting them in the prison.
@@NN-yw2sx To be honest, I think they rather Catch-22'd themselves with VII. Kylo did such terrible things that I struggled to picture him really turning good. And the bad things he did are things other heroes experienced. He tortures Poe, mauls Finn and kills dozens of Resistance fighters personally. The feint in VIII and the gut-punch reveal of his selfishness fit perfectly in my mind, and him showing contrition to a single character in IX just felt insufficient to me. If they were going to redeem him, then that needed to be the story of the film (i.e. they needed to Zuko him) as opposed to something that happens to set up the final act. Have to confess, I was ready to see him go full Tragic Villain and be felled by Rey and Finn (with the silver lining of the ideals that the Skywalkers and Solos fought for living on, even if the families don't) but had they put the work into redeeming him, I'd have gone with it.
yea, ive yet to hear anything good about TLJ. the only argument is "LOL YOU JUST DIDNT SEE IT COMING!!!! SO YOU HATE IT" but when palpatine shows up, the are all "BUT IT MAKES NO SENSE, I DIDNT SEE THAT COMING!!!" its what happens when you throw away logic
Im glad others are able to enjoy these films. I appreciate your take. For me I was lost when Kylo lost against Rey so early in the trilogy. I didn’t think our hero was in danger. But hey to each their own.
If Patrick wants to see the Star Wars galaxy go in new directions, he might like the Rebels animated show. It's got weird stuff like wolves that use the Force, whales that fly through hyperspace, and time travel - that's right - _time travel!_
My feeling has been that to make more Last Jedis, they had to do Rise of Skywalker. They had to definitively end "Star Wars as we know it" before they could do big new stories like Johnson was trying to set up. And tying a bow on a nine-film saga required... some less exciting choices. I liked them fine, others didn't, such is life. Finn starting a Stormtrooper uprising would have been sweet, though.
No one, be they a studio or a rich and established filmmaker, needs to poison the whole industry. If you have the money, just make the risks and give us the bold art at once.
I know a lot of people still hate the last Jedi I but here's one thing it never did wrong. (Weaponize nostalgia) Every time that film brought something back from the past it served the story it made sense and most importantly it didn't feel like it was the director telling us "hey remember that thing" That's how you use it.
I never advocate for pirating movies online because it screws the filmmakers out of any profits and disincentives studios from hiring said filmmaker in the future but in the case of Rise of Skywalker... fuck Disney and fuck JJ, watch that shit for free.
While I don't hate The Rise of Skywalker any more than I hate any other Star Wars movie (more on that below), I do agree that it plays it way too safe and drops the ball with many story elements from the other two movies. I'm also one who loved The Last Jedi, and was bummed when Abrams didn't follow through with that movie's ideas more; except Rey and Kylo Ren's haunting force connection, which led to some great moments. I especially like that you point out that these movies are too silly to stay SO worked up about. I generally consider the Star Wars series to be fun moviegoing experiences, even the lesser ones like the prequels and this new one. It's when you start taking them way too seriously that all the life drains right out of these things. It's gotten to the point now where I just find myself baffled by the people who are so profoundly changed by Star Wars that they're willing to devote their lives to letting everyone know how much they hate one of them, or a few of them, or every movie, or the whole franchise. Not a single one of these movies is bad enough to warrant the level of irrational hatred some of them receive, in my opinion. Those who think so are just overly emotional about the whole thing.
These people are like the tethereds from us imitation of people without mind and souls and they have this disturbing obsession with something that they can't achive because they lost their purpose in the world, and they only want the world to notice them.
"If you like this movie I'm jealous of you. I wish that I did." Such a beautifully mature way to approach other people liking something you did not. You are almost too good for the internet, sir.
The epilogue at the end of TLJ is a better ending than all of TRoS. Weird that you didn't mention that Rian Johnson is working on an entire trilogy of new Star Wars movies, presumably totally new stories, new characters and hopefully a completely new time period on the other side of the galaxy. We should all be extremely excited. This video is titled "What do WE want...." but it's essentially just what you want. I love all your SW videos, but it's always bothered me that part one of this video came to the wrong conclusion. Some fans didn't hate TLJ because of EU lore, they hated it because JJ set up a promise to them that wasn't kept, because Rian did everything he could to prevent the series from just being a constant broken record of itself. I loved TLJ for making that course correction, but I understand why so many fans felt betrayed. I was hoping you had come to that revelation in this video. Also, if you're willing to disown TRoS, you should disown the Prequels from your own personal canon as well, as they're far, far more egregious and damaging to the world building and mythology than TRoS, and I know you're well aware of how terrible they are.
Benjamin Whitley Nope, Rian Johnson’s SW trilogy got scrapped. The only one that still is in the plans is the one the GoT writers were attatched to before they left for Netflix (which is funny since they rushed GoT in order to do SW). It will take place several hundreds of years before ANH though.
@@ezeziel1498 Rian Johnson publicly squashed those rumors again last week. His trilogy hasn't been canceled, but the D&D trilogy is good as dead with no one attached. Please stop reading fake rumormill clickbait articles thinking it's a legit news story.
@@BenjaminWhitley Twofold. I hope you can see where I'm coming from. Also I may well have read your comment in a wrong tone, correct me if I'm wrong please :) Firstly, in a video that ends with Patty calling for, essentially, 'chilling out' over the direction of the SW movies, you seem to be annoyed that his directions and conclusions don't align with yours. I don't see how you were really expecting him to explain what 'we' want, how could he talk about what 'we' want when SW is such a divided fanbase. Secondly regarding your last bit, refer to his mixtape analogy, his shirt slogan and his other videos. He's basically saying 'like what you like to the degree which you want'; whether the prequels are objectively worse films or not, he doesn't have to disown them... I don't see why he should. Watching movies isn't about checklists of good and bad things, it's an emotion and experience.
It’s wild to me that people demand so much nostalgia-bait when there’s literally never been a time where it’s been easier to find old movies. Why do people want more of the original trilogy when they can just watch that again? Or the Ghostbuster requel. Just watch the old movies and let everyone else enjoy something new, even if it’s with the same IP.
Also, the people weren't demanding it. The corporate overlords dazzle the audience with nostalgia, only to switch it for a subpar story. THAT'S the issue. Disney could've easily started their own sci-fi epic, but they know they're not got enough.
It was a very bold move to end the Saga at 8 and just let everyone come up with their own ending. Seriously, some of the fan works speculating what Episode IX would be are pretty awesome.
I don't understand why you're so upset Patrick, it's just a wizard children intended for movie spaces. I don't get how Patrick can be so right about all the problems with Rise of Skywalker, yet when it comes to the Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, plot holes don't matter and we're watching movies wrong. The entire Disney sequel trilogy has problems. Not just the last episode.
"I take them seriously, but they're not worth staying angry about." Summed it up perfectly right there. I liked RoS, but man the fanbase was unbearable when it released. *cough* angry joe *cough*
And now it's over. They criticized it when it came out, which by the way, is there job. And now they don't talk about it anymore. What is the big damn deal about that? People act like they just go on and on about it. Patrick is the one making a video about it 2 months later!
@@Yetizod1 Because Joe acted like a baby about it, and called people who liked RoS morons, which is extremely unprofessional. Patrick is far more mature about it.
As someone who actually loved Rise of Skywalker, I still always enjoy listening to people shit on Star Wars. :) Same with the prequels, they’re fun to shit on but I genuinely love them.
From what I understand, Trevorrow's script included a sub-plot about the First Order having a machine on Coruscant which allows them to control all transmissions sent out through most of the galaxy, and this is why the final conflict takes place there. Having a plot that revolves around people fighting for their right to communicate with others really seems like it would have hit home in this modern age.
8:13 well now we have the backfire of that where what would've just been normal 2 hour movies are now overblown 9 episode mini-series on Disney Plus you'll forget about two weeks after it finished airing. But hey at least Andor came of it, so not all is lost.
Don’t forget Lord and Miller. I’m still hurting over that one. I thought Solo was so bland and it’s not because I don’t trust Ron Howard (Apollo 13 is one of my favourites), but give a man a half a script, a massively reduced schedule and you can’t expect great things... Oh hello Joss Whedon’s Justice League.
I think we all know Johnson will be burned on his trilogy sooner or later. At least if Disney do it harshly enough, we may find out where he'd have liked to see things go after VIII.
The plot of the TLJ itself is internally incoherent, so no to him being a writer. With him being a troll with how he handled TFA plotpoints and how he carries himself in interviews, it would be bad PR for the franchise.
@Snehil Shrey Oh yeah, Rian smugly saying that he haven't read or seen any criticism that convinced him that he made a mistake or that he can make the movie better, is totally good PR and the arrogance is relatable to viewers. Trolling J.J.'s mystery box is exactly what Rian did. The plot of TLJ is internally incoherent. That is not my opinion, that is objective fact. I can explain if you want.
The Mandalorian was enjoyable but I didn't find it to be all that creatively interesting, and tbh the whole time I was watching it I kept thinking "this would be way more fun as a video game.'
As someone who doesn't like any of the new films, I agree. A lot of critics of TLJ talk about it like it's incredible, but I got bored of it after 2 or 3 episodes. Even if they did just want to make a Boba Fett fanservice show, I don't think having it be western-y was the way to go. Having it set in dark, dank cities like Coruscant was what people wanted - more of a cyberpunk theme than a western one. Like that scrapped bounty hunter game Star Wars 1313.
@@motor4X4kombat Yeah tbf, baby yoda using the force was pretty much where I dropped it. That was pure fanservice. I really didn't need baby yoda to be in the show at all, it's such an obvious marketing ploy
@@someguywhocanfly Also they are completly polar oppositeves, kinda like maul at the end of solo. I know Star wars Is a universe where you can find anything, but when you tell a story about a bounty hunter finding His place in the galaxy, i think you should skip the hole force and mistical thing out of it, same goes to the dark saber that i was piss that it come back since i found it a silly concept in clone wars. You mean this creed of warriors that rely on guns, bombs, jetpacks, and friggin flamethrowers, Will lead anybody who has the possesion from an obvious jedi weapon. Its kinda like if in assasing creed the creed Is lead by someone who has a machine gun, when everybody has nothing but swords and blades
I remember leaving a comment a couple years ago saying your thumbnails weren’t very good..couldn’t be anymore different now. All of them are really strong and high quality. Wishing you all the success Patrick.
“Didn’t the emperor get thrown down a shaft and explode?” Well according to your standards, plot holes are dumb and you shouldn’t talk about them, and plus, it’s a movie about space wizards for children, so things shouldn’t make sense. See how you have double standards to defend things that you like but ignore those arguments to take down what you hate. Bias is cruel, isn’t it
Over on the second channel, David Chen and I did a commentary discussion about this video, how it was made, with more thoughts on the current state of Star Wars ruclips.net/video/wgRvF6WAhBU/видео.html
love these commentaries ,please keep em comin. dave chen is great.
Wait, if DIsney Star Wars "ran off pure nostalgia" wouldn't that contradict "This is a movie about space wizards intended for children"? Children are not the core demographic for nostalgia because children hardly have any nostalgia.
12:20 I like Mike Stoklasa's theory as to how Palpy survived - that guy who was blown up in "Return of the Revenge of the Jedi" was a clone that the ancient original was controlling through the Force. We may have never seen this guy before. It clutters up and retroactively demeans the simplicity of how the character was killed off in the 1983 film, but it is an answer, and the jar of Snokes was a visual clue as to how it works.
We watch these videos to see your opinion so that's fine, even if I don't agree with you. Thank you for sharing.
Hi, Pat! Sorry to hear that you've said goodbye to Star Wars. Might I recommend a better franchise with the word "Star" in the title?
STAR TREK!!
No, not the movies (Although Star Trek VI is a personal favourite). No, Im talking about the Television.
In particular The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. To me, even though the effects are sub par (half the effects are recycled from the movies), I remember and love the episodes (even better than some movies) because in the end, it's all about character rather than spectacle or special effects. It's a bit of a commitment, (7 seasons per series, 26 Episodes per season) but, with the quarantine in the US... In any case, I do recommend these series, especially Deep Space Nine, if you're looking for a story about Space Prophets & Space Nazis intended for people of all ages.
Your mixtape analogy is exactly where I'm at with Star Wars: I'm choosing to focus on the parts of it that I love and ignore the parts I don't. Just because TROS let me down doesn't mean I have to stop enjoying the parts that I love!
Preach.
Yeah I love the analogy too. Besides, we probably all do that (to some extent) anyway; there are parts of the movies we probably switch off a little during then re-engage fully at parts we enjoy. I do that with some of the prequels ones and will do in the future with TRoS, but I'm sure others will do it in different movies and that's fine.
It's the same conclusion I came to years ago about the Indiana Jones trilogy.
ROS was a complete failure and an insult to the original trilogy it tried to pay tribute to.
I'm actually on a Star Wars high right now despite TRoS. Jedi: Fallen Order, The Mandalorian, rewatching Clone Wars in preparation for season 7...
TRoS was bad, but people acting like all of SW is bad now just because of it need to try some other things.
I hear a lot of the books and comics are good too! I just haven't gotten around to any of them.
As sad as it is TRoS was bad, there is still so much good, and so it's easy to just get over the bad and focus on the good, at least to me.
When my friends said Rise of Skywalker was the best movie it blew my mind. It is purely awful, and feels like a standalone film that has nothing to do with the 2 before it.
Exactly my feelings: it was a breakup. It didn't make me mad, i wasn't angry, i wasn't insulting anyone on the internet, i didn't blame jj or kenned or bob iger. Just went home, told my girlfriend i had lots of fun (it was a marathon of the whole trilogy and there were cosplayers there and much Star Wars energy). Then i woke her up in the middle of the night "i am really dissappointed and sad". Then i felt stupid for being so excited about it in the first place. Then i unsuscribed all those channels about star wars i used to watch, i found myself not knowing what to do or read or watch at lunch time; i went all the process of breaking up with someone. And i felt stupid again, my fault.
Now i am fine, enjoying my free time, watching other movies but nothing serious at the moment, taking it easy, enjoying my time. Probably in the future i will be able to sit and have a coffee with TRoS, catch up and remember that it wasn't all that bad; Babu Frick was nice.
Edit: I wrote this comment before watching the whole video, we agree on Babu.
Wow. Did we break up with the same Star Wars? Damn, I guess we did.
Shitty fucking feeling ain't it man hind sight sure is crappy huh
@@chillingongreens As someone who hated TLJ and was told to shut up and how I didnt matter and all that fucking bile Im sure youll find people like me have no apathy
@@CynicallyObnoxious You mean sympathy not apathy
@@Crispman_777 shit my bad yea apathy towards Star Wars no sympathy to the jack asses who whimpered its a kids movie with space wizards while at the same time trying to champion deep themes only to now do the same shit they hated people for doing. So yea that side can fuck off
The Rise of Skywalker shouldve been a 2 hour The Office style movie watching Kylo Ren struggle to run the First Order as the Resistance goes undercover into the ranks, disguised as galactic tax auditors
Nah we already got the movies about space taxes and space senators.
My favorite thing about Patrick is that he makes it ok to like and not like things. Like guys, its ok to like things. It’s also ok to not like things. Thanks Patrick. Great video.
Thats why the internet, pretty much like Star wars, Will never grew up.
Except when he tells you that you are watching movies wrong
@@db-du5l688 You mean the plot holes video? He was right on that one.
OptimusShr oh that’s a good one. You mean he was right when he talked about Alien and the acid and how it would go though the ship even though acid neutralizes at a point. But then later on in the video says “I guess if your too busy tweeting about plot holes you can miss some things”. Furthermore, the illogical segment when he talks about A quiet place, doesn’t mean people should be dumb to be human. There are smart intelligent people in the world. Like the main characters at the beginning of the movie, but make choices that contradict their intelligence shown previously. If you are open to see a breakdown of the video there is Cynical Reviews and the EFAP#2 video that break it down better then I ever could.
@@db-du5l688 Wow talking about missing the point. Re watch the video and pay attention to his argument.
The lounge lizard just belting out “Star Wars” over and over again killed me
It's Bill Murray ;)
Filmmaker IQ the gang’s all here!
Isn't that from the Holiday Special?
@@muddi900 you all is making me feel old. ruclips.net/video/ljiVRV5B5i8/видео.html
@@FilmmakerIQ I just got to that point in the video and had to scroll down here to see if I was the only old fogey who would get that reference!! :D
(or at least the only one to use the term "fogey")
"Human Centipede in Jedi Robes", that's it. That's the villain of my Star Wars fan fic.
Damn when he said “I’m glad you like it I wish I did” that hit hard
That's honestly how i feel about TLJ, it hurts to hear people say they love it, because I can see parts where I could like it but I can't get over the story telling and film making issues I had with it. I'm not a screaming fan boy who hates anyone who likes tlj...I just wish I could.
@@attmlb yea but after being called everything under the sun and insulted by these high brow shit lords that follow Patty I dont have any empathy at all. I just like to point and laugh and piss on their DT
@@CynicallyObnoxious ...wut
@@the_exegete I mean, it's in his moniker.
You wish you could be people who hate those who like TLJ? TF is wrong with you?
Jk, I get what you mean.
Unlike Last Jedi, nobody seems mad about this movie. The majority of us just don't care about it. The fan base that was previously divided in passionate love and hate has turned into a fan base mostly united in indifference. And that, is exactly what Disney feared.
Kind of hard to care after TLJ I just laughed the whole time and even laughed at some TLJ and Reylo fans who where upset after the movie that feed my fucking soul. Remember what was said we can always support the parts we like well I can always pirate those parts I have 1-6 I dont need 7-9
Honestly, after everyone had bear witness to The Last Jedi drama, people just stopped caring about Star Wars at that point.
Yep. The reaction to TROS at work was remarkable. No one talked about it after it came out. (And I work in software.). It was exactly like the Monday after the last episode of GoT.
Yeah, The Last Jedi is what broke the franchise, because it pissed off one group, and set unreasonable expectations from the other, such that neither could ever be satisfied with the third. It was the worst possible way to do a mid-quel.
@@timogul I don't think the expectations of TLJ fans were unrealistic. We just wanted a film that would've continued the story properly and given us a fun, emotional ride along the way. Trevorrow's film as it's drafted would likely have been a disappointment (it's half good ideas, poorly executed to half bad ideas, poorly executed and Trevorrow is kind of a big nothing as a director in my book) but it wouldn't have been as miserable an experience as TRoS by a long way.
The quest for the most beautiful video essays on RUclips continues
Patrick is a hack, I expected better from you.
A wizard did it
@@thorthewolf8801 Lol
@jake dominguez Patrick doesn't hurt feelings. He hurts our intelligence.
I really don't like the Last Jedi, however, I would've preferred a direct sequel to that film rather than whatever the Rise of Skywalker was.
AppleWasMyIdea I think you would only have appreciated it though if you knew that Rise was possible on another timeline
@@jblue1622 Not really, I just like my narratives to have consistency.
Kathleen Kennedy, Abrams and Disney fucked up badly by not planning the narrative outline for the 3 movies.
That said, Disney pussying out on committing to what the Last Jedi set up is the 2nd biggest travesty. Kylo Ren being the supreme leader and Rey being a nobody is a fascinating set up. Like I want to know what happens . . . then Rise of Skywalker happened and pretty much dissapointed everyone.
Isn't that Sequel trilogy in a nutshell?
Force Awakens isn't a sequel to Return of the Jedi.
Last Jedi doesn't follow any of the plot threads from Force Awakens
And Rise of Skywalker completely disregards Last Jedi.
Personally I'm pretty happy it ended up the way it did. TLJ wasn't consistent with TFA either, it's better for the entire trilogy to be a mess and easy to disregard, rather than changing it up (to its detriment, according to many fans) and then having that baffling change be reinforced in the 3rd film.
Need a video about the best film train heists, and what makes them so great.
Mitchell Benham That has to be the next Blue Flame Special
UPVOTE UPVOTE
Firefly The Train Job has to be there.
The Assassination Of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford
The original Taking of Pelham 123. Or that one episode of Breaking Bad.
"A human centipede cloaked in Jedi robes"
Oh god why.
For some reason when I heard that in the video I just imagined a regular centipede in Jedi robes and I chuckled. Now I the human one and it is horrible.
Why not?
I wish the T-Shirt said "Written and Directed by Rian Johnson", since that's what it says on the actual credits of the film.
He didn't just direct it
I would love it if I was Written and Directed by Rian Johnson. He seems to know more of what to do than I do.
Unfortunately he did...
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I wish Rian Johnson had full control of the sequel trilogy
@@AndyKunkel Alas, now we're just waiting for Disney to burn him on his trilogy. At least we've got the next Benoit Blanc mystery.
Like the guys from The Weekly Planet Podcast said, "It's a sequel to a movie that doesn't exist. It's not a sequel to The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi, it's a sequel to what haters of The Last Jedi wanted from the fan re-make."
no its a sequel to the force awakens
I'm so tired of TLJ fanboys pretending the haters like The Rise of Skywalker...like no, both of the movies are complete trash, and Rian Johnson is the culprit.
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TLJ actually takes risks to improve and push the series forward. Rian was on the right path. ROS really did abandon a great path
Guys at the end of the day ur being a bit dramatic. TFA was a fun little film that felt like the originals again whilst adding new characters and playing the plot safe. TLJ took way more risks and made some interesting choices whether u like those choices or not. TROS was just a typical star wars film, nothing particularly special but with some fun moments albeit a messy plot. As a trilogy, each film seems quite random and different from the others in places. Whether u think they’re trash or great that’s fine.
@Lt. Colonel Tanya von Degurechaff
Except RJ's risks ended up making something interesting. Also, Don't act like your faux praise isn't an insult
Someone watched a LOT of High Fidelity while making this. And a dose of Say Anything as a garnish.
Ha! Was looking for this comment. Completely.
The old High Fidelity or the new Hulu High Fidelity...*sigh*
@@kevilleb i mean probably the old. but the new is a readaptation of the book more than a remake of the film.
Are you saying that the book was about a person in their 20s going through a midlife crisis and not someone in their 40s?
The Mandalorian comments before we got a season of literallly Boba Fett, Ahsoka, Bo Katan and Luke Skywalker, being shiny, and doing the things we'd expect.
Fine wine Mr Willems
24:47 - 25:30 was absolutely god tier
I feel like a big lesson of Star Wars people are learning is to grow up and move on. This video is just Patrick and lot of learning it the long way.
I hate those kinds of people SO much. They literally get paid to be assholes to everyone, and it’s not in a funny way.
That section was dissapointing
I love how the technical quality of your videos has increased so much, lately I not only enjoy the content itself, but also how the videos are written and filmed. Thanks for being so inspiring, as someone who's trying to learn filmmaking through people like you or Michael from Lessons from the Screenplay, I really appreciate you!
Too bad the script is shit
Patrick, that shot of R2 at the end is pure genius. Thank you.
Anakin also hated Tatooine. Rey buried his lightsaber there.
@Jesse W I mean shit I probably know more about Star Wars than JJ.
IN THE SAND.
@@almightycinder "... Luke, I really don't like your apprentice." - Force Ghost Anakin, probably.
I mean it was that or Mustafar. Is there any spot in the universe where Anakin was ever happy?
Oh. Oh shit. It should have been Naboo. Dammit JJ how are you so bad at writing scripts.
Yep, the two people who built lightsabers to gain independence and power have them buried on the planet where they were held as slaves
I do the "Mixtape" thing for the X-Men films. In my head I only acknowledge 1, 2, First Class, DoFP and Logan existing and it's the best franchise ever.
I mean, X-Men practically does that to itself at this point
_The Godfather, Rocky, The Terminator,_ and _Alien_ only have their first two films and that's it.
My Star Wars mixtape :
The Prequels
Rouge One
The Originals
Clone Wars (2003)
The Clone Wars (2008)
The Mandilorian (2019)
The Wolverine was pretty good. not great, but pretty good
@@Wired4Life2 Rocky? Really? OK 5 wasn't great and could be ignored, but the rest were pretty solid.
I think the reason The Mandalorian works for me is that the scope is so refreshingly small, and the story is about the eponymous character learning humanity on the fly. Sure, it has the odd filler episode (which has a greater negative impact due to the limited series length) but it also manages to fit in themes about parenting, individual morality vs creed honor codes and the need to ask for help. It outlines these themes clearly and reinforces them as the show progresses. I'll take simple storytelling like that over and above the thematic mess that was TROS.
Hey Patrick, this video really spoke to me. I definitely disliked The Rise of Skywalker strongly, and reacted to it in exactly the same way you did, down to the love and excitement coming out of The Last Jedi. The mixtape/comic book analogy is a really great way of accepting installments in stories/franchises you love that really don't do it for you. I'm definitely going to do that. Thanks for the great stuff, man. Also, that R2-D2 shot is gold.
@GiRayne I can certainly understand where you're coming from. As for Vader in RotJ, I always hold the belief that a singular film can never be improved or ruined by sequels and spinoffs, that the quality of the story as it was initially released is all that really matters. Vader's Redemption can't be taken out of it's original context, even though both the Prequels and Sequels now have their own ways of undermining it. Plus after watching TRoS, Palpatine acts more like Voldemort than the character in the original six films. But I can respect how it can ruin it for you, and I know it sucks.
As for Disney's blunder with TRoS, I don't really know what went on or how to crack the code, but I believe that this is a "Batman v Superman into Justice League" scenario but in reverse. TLJ had a polarized reaction, but only from fans. The film was insanely profitable and was critically lauded. Yet Disney lost Trevorrow and thus cut almost a year off Episode IX's production. So they then hire JJ, and that's probably what went wrong. Disney is a lot more hands-on with LucasFilm than Marvel Studios, and I think JJ and they wanted to win back the fanbase that hated TLJ. But we'll never really know why this happened for years.
Oh man it was great laughing at TLJ fans who where upset god even some Reylos now that shit was food for my soul Im so happy TROS was utter trash
After finally seeing this trilogy end, I have come to the conclusion that The Rise of Skywalker is what the people who absolutely despise The Last Jedi think TLJ is.
I think a permanent lesson to be learned from this is that giving the fans "What they want." is a terrible idea if you base your whole film around it. You can take into account and put in some things they may want to see, but directors, producers, writers, etc. should remember it is their artistic vision that should get the best say in the end. That's why they're the ones making it after all. Implicitly Pretentious said this in his defense of TLJ, but if we did really just give the fans "what they want" we would have marketing and business boardroom decisions making all of our art instead of actual artistic decisions. And the worst parts of the fanbase were so angry that Johnson (who is a fan of Star Wars, don't try to argue otherwise...he grew up with the movies, played with the toys, and cheered during the original trilogy as all of you reading this as well) made a film that evolved the series rather than just giving everybody a bunch of "feel good" vibes or loading it with a bunch of endless fan-service. Making people feel weird and making risky decisions that fit into the meta-narrative of the series and what inspired these movies rather than just making the whole thing one big celebration.
I actually didn't know too much of what to make after VIII when I first saw it. I was going through a lot of stuff on that day, and with how some of the decisions got to me and how some alienated or made me feel odd I didn't how it fit in the whole saga to my opinion. I knew it was competently made but how it resonated with my "Star Wars" side was unclear. But after more viewings and listening to the people who liked it talk about it I decided to open my mind more. And I eventually found my own reasons for why I think it's the deepest, most engaging, and thoughtful look into the series since 1983.
Market research can do a lot of good for people and lead to some interesting things but...TRoS...along with how we got that shitty theatrical ending to Little Shop of Horrors instead of the potent, amazing, and more resonate downer "Don't Feed the Plants" ending when test viewings showed audiences couldn't handle a bummer finale is what makes me hate it at times.
TLJ Haters: WE WANT REY RELATED TO SOMEONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JJ Abrams: Ok.
TLJ --> TROS Haters: NO WE DON'T LIKE THIS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! WE GONNA HARASS YOUR ACTORS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND SEND DEATH THREATS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
Sane Star Wars Fans: This is fine.
Honestly if Johnson would just be nice to people online and not making fun of the fan base like that, than I think people view TLJ in a different light. The hate of the movies only escalates because they don’t want to support filmmakers who is mean to the fan base.
Don't get it wrong. Critics of TLJ didn't like RoS. It wasn't the film they wanted, even if it seems to be aimed at them. Because TLJ haters didn't just want fan service, despite what a lot of TLJ fans seem to think. They wanted a good movie that was faithful to the originals. They don't reject all new ideas, they just reject the ones in TLJ because many of them are at best extremely at odds with what people like about Star Wars, and at worst completely nonsensical.
@@someguywhocanfly What specifically do people hate about TLJ? I genuinely want to know.
I wasn't a huge fan of that movie but didn't understand the hand wringing and negativity over it. I mean, we survived the prequels. I've only become interested in the conflict after seeing how fan feedback affected TROS.
@@JaRW7 There's a lot of reasons, I don't want to write out an essay but there are a lot of videos out there. I personally like MauLer's videos on the subject.
To list a few points, Luke's character feels regressive, Rose is bad, Holdo is bad, it has quite a few things that are lore breaking, including Holdo's hyperspace maneuver thing, and the entire Canto Bight sequence is pointless and silly.
I think this is why I love The Mandalorian, there are a clear influeces that go outside of Star Wars, they went to what influenced Star Wars, Idk, feels more genuine
I agree, Mando takes star wars, takes the familiar themes and basic character types and says "hey, lets try something new, push this somewhere over there to this part we've never touched, but we'll throw in a few easter eggs or plot threads can be ignored if your new, or hype you if you're a long term fan"
@@kasperhawser6431 Exactly, perfect for new and old folk, without remaking nostalgia, using familiar locations to tell a story and not beating you in the head with "references".
Mando shits on the DT
Don't know about that anymore buddy 🙃
@@claugarcia3056 Yeah, the second season was a let down.
I personally like the mandalorian. I wanted new stories in this universe. I'm not a die hard fan but the lore is huge. I've read about mortis, I attempted to watch some of the clone wars. Mandalorian gets back to that spaghetti Western vibe where anything could happen. So far the choices they make have concequences and it interesting to see what would happen to this baby force user if he continues down this path. Also Giancarlo Esposito is a badass and can't wait to see what his plans are.
It also felt... fun? I think people have neglected to mention the biggest shocker of the show: It’s PG. After the grimdark heaviness of Episode IX, it was such a pleasant experience!
The Mandalorian would have been a great way to launch Disney Star Wars. Like, it should have come out before The Force Awakens. It would have been a perfect set-up.
I like the Mandolorian. It's a complete Strontium Dog rip off.
I just wish Mando wasn't quite so badass.
When he has already killed 50 bandits/stormtroopers/bounty hunters the tension kind of drains out of the battles.
The most tense episode was the prison break when he only faced 4 opponents.
@@hastekulvaati9681 We did get to see him trying and failing to assault a sandcrawler. He would also have been killed by a beast were it not for a baby...
@@TheStanishStudios Mandalorian had moments of genuine humour! Which felt natural and character-driven! And were deployed relatively skillfully! I almost forgot Star Wars was allowed to do that.
"What Abrams does throughout this entire movie is mistake nostalgia for story telling"
You mean his entire career, Patrick. His entire career.
Abrams knows only 3 things: mystery box, lens flare, and nostalgia.
Story telling is a foreign concept to JJ.
Eh, Mission Impossible 3 and Felicity would disagree with you there. Those were actually interested in telling a story.
I kinda wish he stuck on that path, though.
@@TheGeorgeD13 I would an argue Super 8 and Star Trek (09) best uses his nostalgia boast and mystery box format to great affect. Wished the rest of his films did
8:20 I'd love to see a young Dexter Jexter/Obi-Wan buddy cop movie.
Me too. I actually love the character of Dex.
I literally laughed in the theater when Chewy got the medal. I was like this fan service is so bad that its hilariously bad. Our family friend who was with us was confused with my reaction at first, but after I explained that it ties back to episode four, he also agreed with me that it was dumb to have in the final film.
Chewie was given Han's medal. Leia was holding it during her final meditation, reaching out to her son Ben. Her connection to their first victory thru the Yavin medal is how she triggered a memory of his father, and her husband. The medal to Chewie was a reference to his lack of medal in Ep4 yes, but also makes sense in-universe as a memory of his best friend.
Bad fan service, it's the cornerstone of everything he does! he did it to Star Trek and then went and did the exact same trick over at Star Wars!
That was just one of the last dumb moments in a movie that was chock full of dumb moments. Literally, one chased the other. I couldn't believe it, still can't. It's like a 5 year old wrote the script.
@@the_sunlit yes because the script makes these things very apparent
c m Hey man, never said it was executed well. 😂 It's just canonically the truth! Haha
That break up opening perfectly captured how I felt after seeing the last movie. Between the shitty entitled fan base, and the baffling narrative choices that were made by Abrams and Terrio I just got fed up. When Force Awakens came out years ago I was super excited going into it. Leaving it I was excited to talk about the movie and spent the next day geeking out with one of my closest friends and playing with toy light sabers. Going into Rise of Skywalker I just felt like I was going out of some weird sense of obligation and when I left I just felt strangely relieved.
Can you really complain about a "shitty entitled fan base" at the same time as complaining about the film? Literally in the same sentence you're complaining about RoS in the same way people complained about TLJ, but somehow still considering yourself to be better than them. Can you really not see that?
@@someguywhocanfly "Can you really complain about a "shitty entitled fan base" at the same time as complaining about the film?"
Yes. These things are not the same. Complaining or criticizing RoS is not the same as doing what the people who have been unhinged about TLJ for literally years have done. It isn't shitty or entitled to complain about a movie you don't like. It is shitty and entitled to harass the actors and production staff, as well as people who liked the movie. No one here is complaining about RoS in the same way as people have been about TLJ. So yes, this sort of discourse is better.
@@ArchdruidBramimond well put!
@@someguywhocanfly
He's not complaining about people who citizens TLJ, he's referring to how excessively and dickishly people behave when they go after ut. It's like they think that it's so bad it justifies however they behabe, when it's still _just a movie._
@@someguywhocanfly criticizing or not liking a film is not being an entitled shitty fan. It wasnt for me. When I say "shitty and entitled" I'm referring to the fucked up prices who dedicate their entire identities around hating a movie and spend their time hating all the people who made it and harassing actors off of social media instead of going "well that was disappointing but you win some and you lose some. But the good news is there is plenty of entertainment in the world so I'm going to read/watch/write something else." I wanted ROS to be good and in my opinion it wasnt. That's not entitlement. That's just how human's consume entertainment. I will always criticize movies and I will always praise movies. That's how the human brain works. Where I draw the line is shitting on any of the people involved. That's why I said I was baffled by the narrative decisions made by Abrams and Terro rather than insulting their character. I know I am not entitled to a good movie. Good movies are hard to make. When we get one it's kind of a miracle. That doesnt mean I cant be disappointed when we dont get a good one.
"Babu Frik: A Legend." I love how we can all come together on this. Whether we love or hate The Last Jedi, we all love Babu Frik.
The content is second to none as always, but man the shots and cinematography in this is crazy good. That opening shot in the bar especially was slick as hell.
I'm confused. There's been no new Star Wars films since The Last Jedi was released. What's Patrick talking about? Palpatine coming back and being Rey's biological grandfather? Nonsense.
I have no idea what either of you are talking about. There hasn't been a Star Wars movie since Revenge of the Sith.
Dude, relax, it's a movie about space wizards intended for children. And you are just mad that JJ subverted your expectations.
Just want to say I admire the idea of video essays with a narrative/continuous sketch framing device. Just seems an interesting, RUclips-specific approach I haven't seen before
Moviebob did this with "game overthinker". Everyone in the comment section said that he should take out the narrative continuous sketch lol. I loved it.
Mixtape is how I take most of my pop-culture. Got burned in 1997 when suddenly all of the Doctor Who books I'd been reading were no longer in Cannon. So [shrugs] I read what I like and I watch what I like on everything
last time i was this early, the prequels were considered the worst things to happen to star wars
They still are. :)
Nothing is worse than Ep I and II. Sorry dude.
@@theoian People struggle to believe that because one limited auteur fucking up a trilogy isn't as bad as an entire conglomerate fucking up a trilogy. The industry and average viewers can let the former come in and out of their lives. The latter...fucks up the whole industry and the culture.
i'm surprised so many manchildren are still on patrick's channel after all this time. newsflash, no one cares which star wars movie made you bitch the most.
@@retroforager You are surprised by a great many things, I gather.
Bill Murray singing "Star Wars" in the background of the bar scene. Amazing detail. Deep cuts.
Patrick, as a DP, I really just have to commend you for seriously stepping up your production value this year. The lighting, camera movements, blocking and coverage in general, not to mention the whole continuing story thing... it's a really fresh and novel approach to video essaying and worthy of praise! Keep up the great content. And I hope all of our collective break from Star Wars will do everyone good.
This is the emotional catharsis I’ve been looking for
I'm here for the Jenny Nicholson shout out. Me too bro, me too.
This was largely how I felt about Rise of Skywalker. The lack of commitment to the ideas in TLJ, which were really interesting, was pretty appalling.
following Johnson’s footsteps then, who also didn’t pick up anything from the previous film, except about 30s cliffhanger when Rey meets Luke.
What interesting ideas?? Lmao TLJ literally burned everything down and left nothing in its place.
@@Anerisian I disagree. Johnson played off the setup which was given to him, even if he took some left turns.
With Rey, Kylo and Finn, he's clearly building on things from the previous film.
@@blokey8 He obviously keeps the same characters. TFA is 90% reboot. The one difference is the thread about Luke missing for a mysterious reason. Finn was badly wounded, but the Resistance won. Kylo, a rebooted Anakin, killed rebooted Obi Wan (the role now played by Han, who is mentor, bestows items and dies in a similar way as Obi Wan). That’s where we left off.
All of that is thrown away. Inexplicably, we open with the Empire Striking Back, except there was no empire. It‘s utter nonsense. There was neither how they become the new empire nor in which way losing the superweapon set them back. Another blatant plagiarism that makes sense only as copy of TESB.
Finn is perfectly healed again. He is again a bumbling coward at first. The hinted force power was dropped, too. He is paired with a new for-chinese-audiences character and goes off in a different direction that just retreats the same ground. He was already brave at the end of TFA.
Rey forgot mostly what Kylo did and is now a complete Luke-impostor with no credible reason why she wants to “turn“ Kylo. Nobody has the idea to “turn” the galaxy’s supervillain who just committed genocide and ruthlessly murdered his own father (from her vantage point) except Luke, where it made sense. It’s such a central plagiarism that Patrick’s entire arguments about “new directions” feel hollow and ridiculous, as much as I appreciate his take. This is like ten points off his qualities as a critic. I can take nobody seriously who buys this, but complains about new directions. He’s great otherwise to take the hit.
Lastly, Luke’s story also morphs into a blatant plagiarism. He is simply this trilogy’s Yoda, hiding on a distant planet as an eccentric zen Jedi monk. He is played the same way too, not the Jedi Master the apprentice ( and audience) expect. He adds nothing, and there is no continuity at all, why he left the map, why Poe outran the First Order to obtain it. The one original main thread we spent a film with, about the map and Luke, goes nowhere.
For the record, I think the entire trilogy is pure bleak misanthropy with no redeeming qualities. Disney dropped a nuke on their brand that used to have a special place. They obviously wanted to soft-reboot it, but passing it off as continuity. But they didn’t notice what it does thematically. So they rehashed the hope theme four times in a row (with Rogue One), but everyone dies, alone, having achieved nothing. Leia might as well succumb to Tarkin’s torture droid. At least she wouldn’t have to see how her son kills his father, and so on.
I don’t blame Johnson at all. Btw. The whole trilogy was planned and executed as sort of reboot. He was just executing that plan.
the Discordian I agree with you, TLJ was a blatant remake of TESB, where you can draw direct lines between the equivalent characters and scenes. And I didn’t like the tone of it because it feels like a mix of a Star Trek episode and Space Balls, parodying itself. But I guess what people count as “originality” was that Ryan prematurely burnt down the premises set in the previous movie.The two biggest mysteries in the previous installment, who is Rey and who is Snoke, are answered with a simple “it doesn’t matter”. But more than anything what the last Jedi accomplished, was to make a group of already boring main characters, even more uninteresting, because all the possible follow up scenarios didn’t have anything interesting in it, leaving only two paths to solve that, either weave a new story with new characters, or retcon/undo the events of this one. And they chose the last.
It hurts me to agree so strongly with everything in this video.
But it hurts even more to know that half of the fanbase prefers the unevolving comfort food version of Star Wars, and how Disney bent to that demand rather than continuing to let its creators pioneer something exciting.
the ppl who criticized the last jedi do not like the rise of skywalker. ur strawmaning ppl u disagree with
also its a movie about space wizards intended for children anyway, y u mad?
@@WL1264 You write very intelligently and I'd love to pursue an engaging conversation with you.
Title Card: Rise of Skywalker
Image: Patrick, with a beer, sprawled on a couch.
Me too, Patrick... Me too.
I havent watched the whole video yet but I'm willing to bet that this is a better sequel to its predecessor than The Rise Of Skywalker was
Edit: it was
Oh my god I want your Rian Johnson shirt.
Ditto, I'd wear it everyday.
I own one as well! It's sold online at SuperYaki.com !!!
Its pretty much the "i hate N***" billboard from die hard 3... Someone Will get shoot
@@dtinagliastudios Nope, there's just a hat & that's sold out.
@@pumpkinspacelatte darn! It sold out?? Glad I got one then
As someone brought on board by VII and cemented in my love for the new films by VIII, I've come to the conclusion that for Star Wars, I was a rebound. And now it's gone back to its angry ex.
Everyone in the comments does realize that they are upset about a children's movie with space wizards in it right?
Have you heard the tragedy of Rise of the Skywalker?
It took every piece of mainstream TLJ criticism to heart and made a Star Wars movie as nostalgic and similar to the original triology as possible.......except it went too far and all fanctions of the fanbase ended up hating it.
I gotta say, I wish it ended with TLJ, at least there's some finality and some vision to this cluttering. TRoS did nothing, it was like a wave while you're standing in the ocean and it's full of terrible ideas and execution.
Man, that's a real bummer that a lot of people seem to feel that way. I had a great deal of fun with all three of the Sequels. I feel like the only one who actually genuinely has enjoyed every second of all 3 of those movies.
That said, I don't really get why you wish it ended with TLJ just because you felt the third one was not good. That doesn't seem to make sense to me. They're just movies at the end of the day, no need to wish things were different with something as simple as a Star Wars movie. Or any movie.
When a movie isn't good, all one has to do is shrug and move on.
*insert mixtape analogy here* :)
@@TheGeorgeD13 I agree that it doesn't make sense to wish it ended with TLJ, but I think that because TLJ didn't actually have a proper ending. Your argument is just "don't care so much", which makes me think you're someone who doesn't have much investment in any of the previous movies and just watched these new ones as action flicks.
@@someguywhocanfly That couldn't be further from the truth. I'm as invested as a person can be. But to be upset when it's not good seems unnatural to me.
I've been disappointed before sure, but when that happens, I just shrug and move on.
To act otherwise, you'd have to force yourself to be that upset I think. I don't see how a normal human being gets that upset over a movie, even one they were looking forward too. Very unnatural behavior if you ask me.
And Star Wars ARE action flicks. What's wrong with that? You can't be invested in action flicks? What? You make no sense.
@@TheGeorgeD13 Being invested and "shrugging and moving on" are almost polar opposites. You can't claim both at the same time. Being invested doesn't just mean "I like this thing", it means you care about it on a deep level and really want it to do well.
I agree that there are lines you shouldn't cross, but that line seems to be in different places for everyone. I don't think getting into arguments online is going too far as long as you're civil. I don't think making a video essay is going too far.
My point about the action flicks was that it seems you're ONLY viewing them as action flicks. As in, no investment in story or characters or plot. Yes, Star Wars films have action in them, but there's a lot more to them than that, at least for the people that are invested.
It's like how I watch Marvel movies. They're fun to watch but I don't particularly care about who wins or who lives and dies. Because I'm not a diehard marvel fan. It's not wrong to NOT be invested, but you shouldn't pretend like your opinion has any relevance to the people that are.
Amen. Agree with everything 100%. Lifelong SW fan (48) who LIKES TFA, loved TLJ and hated TROS. The saga ends with broom boy for me and I'm just fine with that.
Just with like the last Jedi you managed to capture amazingly close how I feel. I don't wanna go to a forum and hate on Star Wars or talk as blandly disappointed like I sometimes found myself doing about the Prequels, but after I loved the last Jedi and now got the Rise of Skywalker I feel kinda empty and just hope my love for those movies will come back with future projects this franchise will bring.
man that’s just how i felt about the last jedi, empty.
@@FyterianTV no one asked
@@bubbus5183 dude where the comment section on a video. Asking is rhetorical.. I'm sorry your dad doesn't love you and you have to be an ass to feel some kind of emotion
The Sequels began after the story ended.
If you didn’t know, we have a second channel, and we’ll be posting a behind the scenes commentary discussion about this video there soon ruclips.net/channel/UCMAwBUlaxyqZY-2hVac8qgg
I’m not a fan of TROS, but I love that the TLJ-lovers are pissed off at this movie. The TLJ-lovers smuggly called out anyone critical of the movie in 2017-18 with, “You just didn’t get the movie you wanted.” Now those same people are complaining about TROS cause they didn’t get the movie they wanted! Lol. The sad thing is they will never see the irony.
Unlike you, we didnt sent director death threat and cry about how much it ruin our childhood.
Thinh Vo There is a small segment of the fanbase that’s been doing that crap since 1999 to Lucas, Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best, etc, so let’s stop pretending this only happened to Rian Johnson. Nobody condones that stuff so please stop generalizing that EVERYONE did it.
@@chrisolivo6591 At this point? I am done pretending star wars fan is anything but despicable. The fact is the same people who said "dont generalize the group" is the same one who go to rian johnson twitter talk about how the movie is shit when he address about George Floyd.
Hell i dont even consider myself star wars fan.
Thinh Vo How did we get onto George Floyd from The Rise of Skywalker video? Dude, you need to stay off social media as it will drive you crazy.
@@chrisolivo6591 Just go check Rian Johnson twitter and look at every tweet he made about BLM and check the response. All of them are TLJ.
24:46
Here's what I did. I wrote an alternate script for episode IX. It was cathartic, fun and solved all of MY problems with the movie. It was pretty therapeutic, and I could insert how many PrequelMemes references I judged necessary. I'll even use it as my head canon until they release a sequel and I have to face an alive Chewie.
I found that same approach produced the opposite result. The deeper I got into it, the more I found myself going "if I can see these throughlines and payoffs, why couldn't they?"
Did you see the whole Mandalorian season? Sure, there are many homages and references to the original trilogy, but it's a new story! Finally! To me it's a breath of fresh air to NOT have to revisit the old characters and the same plotline. The show draws it's inspiration not so much from star wars as from old westerns that in turn was inspired by the old samurai movies (just like the original trilogy). Like The Predator and the Terminator was a mashup of matcho action and slasher flicks, The Mandalorian is a mashup of Star Wars and Western, and I'm here for it. The references and homages to old material is just on the sidelines, that's not what the show is about. Right now it looks to me to be about a bounty hunter that starts to reevaluate his life and what makes life worth living.
Spot on. Patrick was a wee bit dismissive here. It's about a character learning to develop his own sense of morality rather than relying on a credo, and he rediscovers his humanity along the way. It was also a relief to have a smaller scale story in the SW universe.
Well I have less of a problem with the old characters being in the Sequels and more with the old storylines. The reset to the Empire-vs Rebellion was what killed the Sequels. All three of them. The setting should have been different. Then you could have had old and new characters together doing new storylines in new situations. But yeah, I also love new spinoffs like the Mandalorian that just flesh out the world more.
Naaah sorry. I like the Mandalorian but I wouldn't sayit is a breath of fresh air for Star Wars. What you label as references is extremely on the nose fan service. I like most of them but they feel just too forced kind of like "Oh The Last Jedi was too unfamiliar? Have this! And this! And This! You recognize this right?". The dialogue is too often just plain exposition (a problem reminding me of the prequels) and while I do like the the one single plot approach the middle of season on feels interchangable. This is sounds extremely negative so let me stress that I still like the MNandalorian. What I do not understand at all is how fans say that this series "truly gets Star Wars" but the first two sequels do not.
@@KasCalwein The Last Jedi was not "too unfamiliar". It was the beginning of Empire on repeat and had plenty of it's own elements that had no function other than being fan service (like the ATAT's on Crait despite the terrain being easy to walk on as well as the Snow Troopers on Crait despite the weather not being cold).
@@under_score3829 Is bleeding salt looking initially like snow really fan service? I'd say not.
The new title “Star Wars - They just want your money “ the end
@@Tacom4ster oh please
yea
I mean welcome to every single block buster ever. Of course they want your money the differences is how much they willing to make effort for it.
I forgot I put this into my Watch Later list YEARS ago and I am sorry. That was a blast, and it’s nice to know there are people who share very similar opinions to me on (waves arms) all of the star warses.
27:48 every time you say "salud mi familia" there is a new star in the Sky.
Bravo, Patrick. You’ve said everything I’ve been thinking since seeing this movie but haven’t been able to adequately articulate. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
"It's like watching a Boba Fett action figure walk around classic Star Wars playsets" is the most accurate description of the Mandalorian I've ever heard.
The only thing I liked from tros was kylo’s redemption and his relationship with Rey, I think that he should have not died because basically Luke, Leia and Han sacrificed themselves for him and he died anyway
NN ZZ Quinton Reviews pointed out that villains who get redeemed often die so that the story can avoid the logical next step of the authority figures of our heroes locking the redeemed villains up for all their past crimes.
@@Wired4Life2 this is what most of western stories do - kill the redeemed villains. It's such a poor choice. It lacks originality, writers really should go beyond making the redeemed character die or putting them in the prison.
@@NN-yw2sx To be honest, I think they rather Catch-22'd themselves with VII. Kylo did such terrible things that I struggled to picture him really turning good. And the bad things he did are things other heroes experienced. He tortures Poe, mauls Finn and kills dozens of Resistance fighters personally.
The feint in VIII and the gut-punch reveal of his selfishness fit perfectly in my mind, and him showing contrition to a single character in IX just felt insufficient to me. If they were going to redeem him, then that needed to be the story of the film (i.e. they needed to Zuko him) as opposed to something that happens to set up the final act.
Have to confess, I was ready to see him go full Tragic Villain and be felled by Rey and Finn (with the silver lining of the ideals that the Skywalkers and Solos fought for living on, even if the families don't) but had they put the work into redeeming him, I'd have gone with it.
@@NN-yw2sx But that's the thing (and forgive me for also not going further): They *_wouldn't_* just get locked up. They'd totally get executed.
I have to say that the audio and sound in this one is incredible. Excellent music and the shots you used were excellent. Big props
Short answer: not the Rise of Skywalker.
Indiana Solo yuuup
And definitely not TLJ.
G Jose I’ll take more of that actually thank you very much.
@@gj9157 More like more of last jedi please.
yea, ive yet to hear anything good about TLJ. the only argument is "LOL YOU JUST DIDNT SEE IT COMING!!!! SO YOU HATE IT" but when palpatine shows up, the are all "BUT IT MAKES NO SENSE, I DIDNT SEE THAT COMING!!!" its what happens when you throw away logic
I showed a buddy of mine this and he just goes “it’s shocking how similar to Patrick you are”
Finally, you feel what I felt when I watched Last Jedi
Do you think he sees the irony? Lol
@@chrisolivo6591 No. He's to delusional for inflection
Dude is out here making cinema out of RUclips video essays. Keep up the sensational work. You and your team are killing it.
Im glad others are able to enjoy these films. I appreciate your take.
For me I was lost when Kylo lost against Rey so early in the trilogy. I didn’t think our hero was in danger. But hey to each their own.
If Patrick wants to see the Star Wars galaxy go in new directions, he might like the Rebels animated show. It's got weird stuff like wolves that use the Force, whales that fly through hyperspace, and time travel - that's right - _time travel!_
This video is art, when the synths hit after you left the bar my heart swelled up for some reason.
My feeling has been that to make more Last Jedis, they had to do Rise of Skywalker. They had to definitively end "Star Wars as we know it" before they could do big new stories like Johnson was trying to set up. And tying a bow on a nine-film saga required... some less exciting choices. I liked them fine, others didn't, such is life.
Finn starting a Stormtrooper uprising would have been sweet, though.
I wish I felt as optimistic. As it is, it feels like they've shown emphatically that they'll just be recombining elements they already have forever.
No one, be they a studio or a rich and established filmmaker, needs to poison the whole industry. If you have the money, just make the risks and give us the bold art at once.
I know a lot of people still hate the last Jedi I but here's one thing it never did wrong.
(Weaponize nostalgia)
Every time that film brought something back from the past it served the story it made sense and most importantly it didn't feel like it was the director telling us "hey remember that thing"
That's how you use it.
The rise of Skywalker is the only movie where I was really tempted to get up and leave in the middle of it
I still haven't seen Rise of Skywalker.
Do yourself a favor and forget it exists
Watch it cheap. At home. On a sick day. It's worth it, for completion's sake. But for nothing else. Scratch that itch (for $4) and move on.
Andrew Klang I’ll probably end up doing that. I’m that broke.
I never advocate for pirating movies online because it screws the filmmakers out of any profits and disincentives studios from hiring said filmmaker in the future but in the case of Rise of Skywalker... fuck Disney and fuck JJ, watch that shit for free.
If you loved Reylo and TLJ you will love the parts where it throws shade at TLJ
While I don't hate The Rise of Skywalker any more than I hate any other Star Wars movie (more on that below), I do agree that it plays it way too safe and drops the ball with many story elements from the other two movies. I'm also one who loved The Last Jedi, and was bummed when Abrams didn't follow through with that movie's ideas more; except Rey and Kylo Ren's haunting force connection, which led to some great moments.
I especially like that you point out that these movies are too silly to stay SO worked up about. I generally consider the Star Wars series to be fun moviegoing experiences, even the lesser ones like the prequels and this new one. It's when you start taking them way too seriously that all the life drains right out of these things.
It's gotten to the point now where I just find myself baffled by the people who are so profoundly changed by Star Wars that they're willing to devote their lives to letting everyone know how much they hate one of them, or a few of them, or every movie, or the whole franchise. Not a single one of these movies is bad enough to warrant the level of irrational hatred some of them receive, in my opinion. Those who think so are just overly emotional about the whole thing.
These people are like the tethereds from us imitation of people without mind and souls and they have this disturbing obsession with something that they can't achive because they lost their purpose in the world, and they only want the world to notice them.
Honestly every fan base moves on EXCEPT Star Wars it's so strange. I've enjoyed every movie I've seen so far
When you told star wars that you needed to take a break, that hit me in the feels.
"If you like this movie I'm jealous of you. I wish that I did." Such a beautifully mature way to approach other people liking something you did not. You are almost too good for the internet, sir.
the shade in this video is... chefs kiss. Apex shade. Pinnacle shade. Peak shading being done here. I love it. Great video.
The epilogue at the end of TLJ is a better ending than all of TRoS. Weird that you didn't mention that Rian Johnson is working on an entire trilogy of new Star Wars movies, presumably totally new stories, new characters and hopefully a completely new time period on the other side of the galaxy. We should all be extremely excited. This video is titled "What do WE want...." but it's essentially just what you want. I love all your SW videos, but it's always bothered me that part one of this video came to the wrong conclusion. Some fans didn't hate TLJ because of EU lore, they hated it because JJ set up a promise to them that wasn't kept, because Rian did everything he could to prevent the series from just being a constant broken record of itself. I loved TLJ for making that course correction, but I understand why so many fans felt betrayed. I was hoping you had come to that revelation in this video.
Also, if you're willing to disown TRoS, you should disown the Prequels from your own personal canon as well, as they're far, far more egregious and damaging to the world building and mythology than TRoS, and I know you're well aware of how terrible they are.
Benjamin Whitley Nope, Rian Johnson’s SW trilogy got scrapped.
The only one that still is in the plans is the one the GoT writers were attatched to before they left for Netflix (which is funny since they rushed GoT in order to do SW). It will take place several hundreds of years before ANH though.
@@ezeziel1498 Rian Johnson publicly squashed those rumors again last week. His trilogy hasn't been canceled, but the D&D trilogy is good as dead with no one attached. Please stop reading fake rumormill clickbait articles thinking it's a legit news story.
This comment is so ironic it's quite funny.
@@Dilmahkana How so?
@@BenjaminWhitley Twofold. I hope you can see where I'm coming from. Also I may well have read your comment in a wrong tone, correct me if I'm wrong please :) Firstly, in a video that ends with Patty calling for, essentially, 'chilling out' over the direction of the SW movies, you seem to be annoyed that his directions and conclusions don't align with yours. I don't see how you were really expecting him to explain what 'we' want, how could he talk about what 'we' want when SW is such a divided fanbase. Secondly regarding your last bit, refer to his mixtape analogy, his shirt slogan and his other videos. He's basically saying 'like what you like to the degree which you want'; whether the prequels are objectively worse films or not, he doesn't have to disown them... I don't see why he should. Watching movies isn't about checklists of good and bad things, it's an emotion and experience.
It’s wild to me that people demand so much nostalgia-bait when there’s literally never been a time where it’s been easier to find old movies. Why do people want more of the original trilogy when they can just watch that again? Or the Ghostbuster requel. Just watch the old movies and let everyone else enjoy something new, even if it’s with the same IP.
*Let everyone enjoy something shit.
Also, the people weren't demanding it. The corporate overlords dazzle the audience with nostalgia, only to switch it for a subpar story. THAT'S the issue. Disney could've easily started their own sci-fi epic, but they know they're not got enough.
wait, there was a Star Wars movie after The Last Jedi?
Unfortunately...
It was a very bold move to end the Saga at 8 and just let everyone come up with their own ending.
Seriously, some of the fan works speculating what Episode IX would be are pretty awesome.
I thought the movies ended after Return of the Jedi
@@PolarPhantom Saga ended at 6 fucko now go grab your TLJ and go hide and cry youll always have that
So what you're saying is, when it comes to Star Wars movies, we don't want a movie about space wizards for children?
I don't understand why you're so upset Patrick, it's just a wizard children intended for movie spaces.
I don't get how Patrick can be so right about all the problems with Rise of Skywalker, yet when it comes to the Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, plot holes don't matter and we're watching movies wrong.
The entire Disney sequel trilogy has problems. Not just the last episode.
Oh boy, this won’t be controversial
"I take them seriously, but they're not worth staying angry about."
Summed it up perfectly right there. I liked RoS, but man the fanbase was unbearable when it released. *cough* angry joe *cough*
Angry Joe is probably the worst critic ever lol.
@@AndyKunkel I like him but he's awful when it comes to Star Wars.
@@KhaosKontroller he is a prime example when it comes to first world problems haha
And now it's over. They criticized it when it came out, which by the way, is there job. And now they don't talk about it anymore. What is the big damn deal about that? People act like they just go on and on about it. Patrick is the one making a video about it 2 months later!
@@Yetizod1 Because Joe acted like a baby about it, and called people who liked RoS morons, which is extremely unprofessional. Patrick is far more mature about it.
As someone who actually loved Rise of Skywalker, I still always enjoy listening to people shit on Star Wars. :) Same with the prequels, they’re fun to shit on but I genuinely love them.
The production value on this video is excellent
The meta narrative on this channel really takes it to the next level! Keep it up Patrick!
But Patrick: it's just a movie about space wizards intended for children!
Why so serious? It was a movie about space wizards intended for children.
Can we all appreciate how well shot Patrick's videos are?
I assure you that your iphone also has a black and white filter.
From what I understand, Trevorrow's script included a sub-plot about the First Order having a machine on Coruscant which allows them to control all transmissions sent out through most of the galaxy, and this is why the final conflict takes place there. Having a plot that revolves around people fighting for their right to communicate with others really seems like it would have hit home in this modern age.
8:13 well now we have the backfire of that where what would've just been normal 2 hour movies are now overblown 9 episode mini-series on Disney Plus you'll forget about two weeks after it finished airing.
But hey at least Andor came of it, so not all is lost.
shouldn't be so stressed patrick, it's just a movie about space wizards for children, ya?
...and you're watching movies wrong Patrick.
And maybe Kathleen Kennedy will let Rian Johnson make his Star Wars trilogy because he's been the only writer-director she's hired who has balls.
Don’t forget Lord and Miller. I’m still hurting over that one. I thought Solo was so bland and it’s not because I don’t trust Ron Howard (Apollo 13 is one of my favourites), but give a man a half a script, a massively reduced schedule and you can’t expect great things... Oh hello Joss Whedon’s Justice League.
His trilogy is still not cancelled. Unlike those D&D GOT cowards.
I think we all know Johnson will be burned on his trilogy sooner or later. At least if Disney do it harshly enough, we may find out where he'd have liked to see things go after VIII.
The plot of the TLJ itself is internally incoherent, so no to him being a writer. With him being a troll with how he handled TFA plotpoints and how he carries himself in interviews, it would be bad PR for the franchise.
@Snehil Shrey Oh yeah, Rian smugly saying that he haven't read or seen any criticism that convinced him that he made a mistake or that he can make the movie better, is totally good PR and the arrogance is relatable to viewers.
Trolling J.J.'s mystery box is exactly what Rian did.
The plot of TLJ is internally incoherent. That is not my opinion, that is objective fact. I can explain if you want.
The Mandalorian was enjoyable but I didn't find it to be all that creatively interesting, and tbh the whole time I was watching it I kept thinking "this would be way more fun as a video game.'
re:kindle Or a single movie if they cut away alot of the fillers...
As someone who doesn't like any of the new films, I agree. A lot of critics of TLJ talk about it like it's incredible, but I got bored of it after 2 or 3 episodes. Even if they did just want to make a Boba Fett fanservice show, I don't think having it be western-y was the way to go. Having it set in dark, dank cities like Coruscant was what people wanted - more of a cyberpunk theme than a western one. Like that scrapped bounty hunter game Star Wars 1313.
I like the mandalorian when its actually the mandalorian and not the baby yoda show.
@@motor4X4kombat Yeah tbf, baby yoda using the force was pretty much where I dropped it. That was pure fanservice. I really didn't need baby yoda to be in the show at all, it's such an obvious marketing ploy
@@someguywhocanfly Also they are completly polar oppositeves, kinda like maul at the end of solo. I know Star wars Is a universe where you can find anything, but when you tell a story about a bounty hunter finding His place in the galaxy, i think you should skip the hole force and mistical thing out of it, same goes to the dark saber that i was piss that it come back since i found it a silly concept in clone wars. You mean this creed of warriors that rely on guns, bombs, jetpacks, and friggin flamethrowers, Will lead anybody who has the possesion from an obvious jedi weapon. Its kinda like if in assasing creed the creed Is lead by someone who has a machine gun, when everybody has nothing but swords and blades
I remember leaving a comment a couple years ago saying your thumbnails weren’t very good..couldn’t be anymore different now. All of them are really strong and high quality. Wishing you all the success Patrick.
18:50 -"DAMNIT!!" I screamed into the abyss after hearing bits of what acould have been..
“Didn’t the emperor get thrown down a shaft and explode?” Well according to your standards, plot holes are dumb and you shouldn’t talk about them, and plus, it’s a movie about space wizards for children, so things shouldn’t make sense. See how you have double standards to defend things that you like but ignore those arguments to take down what you hate. Bias is cruel, isn’t it