@@thelastskywalker437 I did watch the video I was saying if they are listing each one for people who don’t want to watch the full thing they could add the tier each character was given by TeamCaptain. Edit: In this situation the proper spelling is choose not chose.
@@YokaiSteveI've won every single 1v1 against cap as strange without doing the reloading early thing. I'm pretty damn tired but, man, cap needs that cooldown removed
I think Magik is high B. Issue with Magik is that her passive incentivizes her to play frontline but she gets shredded so easily because her base HP is too low and she doesn't have any means of mitigating incoming damage. If you want to play flanker you would just play Black Panther or Spider-Man instead, at least they have the super high mobility that makes it easy for them to get in and out. Magik is in this awkward spot where she feels like she wants to be both a flanking assasin and a frontlining DPS and just ends up "decent" at both but never really "strong" in either of them.
True and also her demon minion ability is literally useless in most cases, magik’s kit is just badly put together…she struggles alone and is also bad at offense. Honestly I think she should have been a tank or at least have better limbo abilities then just using it for escaping
@@videogames2339you use the demon minion as an area denial. You can use it to block off narrow pathway, when you're escaping, or when you're fighting another melee character
@@videogames2339 her demon is the best way to burst someone not paying attention. It not only forces someone into limited movements (which makes it easier to uppercut , but it’s DPS is pretty good all things considered
It really doesn't need it. Genji deflect feels like ass because your teammates can kill you. It needs huge quality of life buffs but you shouldn't be able to accurately deflect it unless it's an Ironman teamup with laser.
i agree with every single thing on this list. my only gripe is that most tanks ended up in B. i think groot deserves A, a good groot player can carry but i feel he takes more awareness to do so.
Groot vs Ironman matchup is quite hard. Especially if they have lots of high mobility characters/abuse angles. His low mobility is probably what puts him in low B; as the way he is now he's got great health, good sustain, ability to wall off low, okay poke damage, good brawl damage which is quite respectable for a tank. In higher ranks those walls get bursted in no time. I think the problem with the other tanks Venom/Peni is that they are big ult batteries. If venom leaps in and gets burned by a coordinated team, even if he lives he just fed a whopping amount of ult charge to the team. Peni is great for locking down a point but if they shoot her nest she's a big ult battery as well.
@@TrashTierStellaris As a groot player ironman is definitely one of his worse matchups (also wolverine) Normally if my dps is shit I just lock in and hard carry but with Iron man I have to drop everything Im doing to look up and snipe him. But in general iron man is only really a problem when your dps are mouth breathers. His biggest issue really is his mobility but with how much I can do I feel like its fair
@@TrashTierStellaris on convoy when pushing the cart on yggsard groot has literally a spot on every checkpoint where he can block the enemy team from regrouping
Yeah, tierlists at this point of the game are pretty useless for the most part. People bashed hulk for weeks and then suddenly everyone now agrees he's good, these lists are lowkey irrelevant, it's too early.
@@Yiulias To bad fair, it's not even *that* early. People have thousands of games at this point, that should be more than enough for a meta to develop and consensus to form. The fact that it hasn't, speaks to just how balanced the heroes are numbers wise, and how skill reliant the majority of them are. (Except Hela, fuck that character, nerf pls)
@@Yiulias For weeks? More like Hulk was dog in the beta, then more people tried him and within the first week people were already using him and finding how to make him work and even now Hulk is mainly used for his TeamUp and not because he himself is god tier.
dang finally someone who understands jeffs potential brotha, like jeff is effectively immortal even in some 2v1 situations in GM. I've literally ate both tanks on klyntar moved them away from the team and 2v1'd them while they were left trying to regroup with their team, i felt so bad but it had to be done. The only things i truly struggle with is Ironman when he is left uncheck because if he is flying and i eat his team even at full health if his tracking is remotely good he will beam me down in 5 seconds and if he has team up its actually cooked. Other than that i will unapologetically skill check every flanker to know if i can just ignore you or if i have to deal with you lol
I genuinely think healing underground has ruined him as a character. It's made him completely unkillable. In the beta he was good, he did a lot of heals, his bubbles did what they did and then they buffed his dive and bubbles extremely and has now lost his skill expression.
Magik only has like 2 combos but yeah you gotta use every ability to "one shot" someone and if you miss your uppercut or they survive because of some extra hp then you can get turned on very fast meanwhile Black panther and Psylocke can do more damage and still get out. She either needs more base hp or some way to refresh her uppercut dash on kill or something and she will 1v9
she needs vertical teleport and invulnerability when you ulti . and yeah her dash should reset per takedown if you do it in like 5 second or something .
Loki Diamond player here. I think Lokis greatest asset is that he can heal everyone nearly instantly with his healing field. I had so many moments where my tanks were nearly dead but could heal them instantly. Or I can counter most ults with my field. All ults that does not kill instantly for excample somebody like psylocke or just if a Dps attacks our backline. I can if needed use my field to safe my other healer. But I can see your point healing somebody is really exhausting and can be hard if they are far away or in the sky. His healing shots are not very fast.
My problem with using loki is I feel like I have to be constantly aware of everything going on and preplan a lot with the clones. I’ve had amazing games where I could cheese with double Luna ult or force a lot of flank/diver players like spiderman and psylocke to switch. Unfortunately solo queuing with him is terrible. I’ve been hard countered by moon knight because nobody shoots the ankhs, iron man because my dps teammates for some reason have terrible aim, etc. it’s very annoying to try to use him when your team doesn’t want to actually work with you, especially when they run away from my healing or ignore the clones that I set up with the runes.
Only thing Loki is good for is that field. It's like Bap, without his immortality he is 90% more useless. His heals are inconsistent, reliant on amazing placement or bad enemies and that's all he does.
The fun thing about tier lists is that IMO, any one character can be made to work with skill. For example, the other night I ran into a Black Widow who killed me (a tank) not by sniping, but by using her ult to stick me in place while my support retreats. Now, I think she still is awful compared to Hawkeye, but because no one plays him, I was totally caught off guard by someone utilizing that ult well.
I don't understand. She did nothing the entire game, Ult'd you and your 1 alone support and instead of healing you they were running away? Are you like Bronze or QP or something cus any competent player on an average level would understand multiple reasons to how that shouldn't outcome in your death. 1 of which is being scared of an ult that ultimately is a small slow field.
without my bias this is maybe the best tier list on youtube I will make my own but this is quite literally the best video for people to watch good information throughout the whole video
Magik genuinely has nothing going for her over other duelists, long cooldowns with no resets her R-click has no AoE, she’s squishy, slow has no vertical mobility, her melee attacks have damage falloff??? her portals make her invincible for 1 frame but tell enemies exactly where she’s going to come out and her ult is squishy, not immune to CC and self stuns her. 15:42
The problem with BP is that his shift bug means he just ints sometimes and it isn't his fault. That shit just doesn't reset sometimes even though they clearly have a mark and clearly take damage from your dash. It's so unfun to deal with that shit.
Namor sucks and main reason is because of his pointless water bubble that he uses, it gives aways his position. Black panther is way better than him. The only good thing namor has is the little octo turrets which you can destroy easily before being targetedif you’re a good player.
@@videogames2339 hey if you go into settings you can make namor's bubble be a hold to cast and just tapping it will give you a good second of invuln whilst also being literally instant its cool tech
@@videogames2339 namor is broken lmao, one of the highest damage chars in the game easily. Also counters spidy so hard that hes literally unplayable into ANY namor
3:54 100% agree as a former genji main, the best feeling ever was reflecting longrange widdow snipes and actually headshotting them better than they can was just unmatched by any other game
I actually do think it's hilarious how horribly wrong most of the tier lists from overwatch players were. (That were then used in all the clickbait articles) Cause they are trying to play every character like it's overwatch and judging it based on that. More just hilarious how caught off guard many people were by how strong the supposed worst characters in the game are.,
"I only have 15 minutes to finish this!!!!" (15 minutes later) "Whew, got it done. Wait, it's in another hour?" That is SUCH a mood. It's either that or you think you have an hour and it turns out to be 15 minutes. 😆
ALSO, im glad to see someone point out how insane jeff is, even though it was low elo(we all had to start in bronze), ive seen jeffs play the exact way you described, and there was no way you were killing them. i hope they nerf alot of that on him cuz they clearly over buffed him after his release in beta imo
As someone who loves Cap a lot, I think all Cap needs is a bit more damage (I can do without though if I have to), no cooldown on the shield, if I have shield health just let me drop and put it back up as much as I want, and as you suggested the aimed deflection would be awesome. Would really give him a unique but strong harassment ability.
I play captain america, and i find some weird things with him. for example. There's a blue hologram on one map that you can walk and jump through, and cap's shield slam ability gets stopped by it. hope that just gets fixed with more people talking about it. I've already reported it. If your ping goes above 100, u need to be pretty much inside enemy hitbox if they're moving away from you, even sprint spamming. I think it's weird too that you can't aim his shield deflects too. His stun should be on the shield throw, not the shield slam from the air, which has a bunch of awkward problems with it. his stun knocks people up into the air. With the game stuck at a default of like 65 FOV they go half off the screen, this is shit for melee players. i saw one captain america player doing the shield slam and then jumping to follow up with the attack, other tanks don't have to do parkour to follow up with their own stuns. playing captain america it feels like i have to try harder to do the same thing that other characters can do.
I absolutely love it when a new game comes out and when the spotlight is on emerging top players they take advantage of the situation. Something similar to what happened with Dizzy and Apex. It's magical. #LOGANG
The problem with allowing Captain America to aim deflected projectiles is that characters like Hela, Mantis and Punisher would kill themselves before breaking his shield.
Hela’s right click isn’t that bad, I start a fight off with that sometimes and get them low with the basic attack, if they try escaping they’re dead or if I get them low I can just leave them alone and move onto the next target whilst the one is guaranteed to die.
the capt deflect being random is intentional. Else every team will just have 1 capt and prepare to return a big projectile Namur is actually broken. Backline divers cant even sustain 1v1 against him most of the time
20:13 I'm a Rocket main with horrible aim, so I'm usually prioritizing targets that don't move, this means Ankhs, Loki clones, Namor squids, Peni spiders, you name it.
I really hope they take a look into buffing Thor’s ult I think increasing the air movement speed and making it less CC able would make him a strong A tier
I may not have many ppl agree with me on this, but if they removed the % hp dmg from wolverine, and made it so his autos reduce his heal passive cd per hit, he woulda been a incredible tank and would have really helped his power fantasy. keeping him the way he is, i think they need to tighten his hitboxes and make sure his abilities land, cuz i feel like ppl just drop out of his ult with very little reason too often, and his shift that will just NOT grab sometimes. lets be honest though, they need to reduce how MUCH he counters tanks and buff him into just about anyone else.
Tier list in that game mean nothing, each heroes are good for one role, even if Magneto, Dr. Strange are Tank like Hulk and Venom, their role is not the same. You have literally some heroes who counter some others, like Wolverine who everyone tought he was trash because they didn't know his role. Then you also have map strategie, heroes synergies ( not only bonus synergie from the game ) etc
I think there are too many abilities that prevent CC. Jeff diving prevents him from being pulled, if i am not mistaken, Luna ult makes her invulnurable to status effects, Mantis just doesn't care, Namor Bubble also let him move around indefinitelly. All these combined make some abilities\ults a lot lower in terms of power than should be, like Groot's Ult. In any team game an ability to bunch up people should be an S tier, due to combo potential, but because of all the other mechanics overriding it, it's between B and A tier. Not to mention that his ult has animation time and travel time, while Mantis and Luna ults are instant. Strange and Magneto simply block hit ult out of existence, because it's a projectile. They should just make it collide and pull people anyway.
I think something to note about groot is that he's a giant hitbox with a ton of health. So he feeds the enemy team a TON of ultimate, and soaks up a lot of healing to stay alive.
Only his iron wall has much durability, and that has a long cooldown. It grants shields when you do damage though, so I often place it sideways near my team instead of blocking my own team's skill shots and my own shield gain while it's up...
I have not even played Marvel Rivals but watching this shit makes me want to go play, bro you are insane.. Such a bad ass video.. Those guys were tilting hard.
nah, the right click on hela is good if u think of it as util. venoms in particular, u hit as many as u can while hes almost low enough to use his armor and then hit a hs (easy as hell if hes in ur face) and the hs and right click do so much burst together that often u'll kill him before he even armors. same for mag, if hes low and tries to bulwark out for heals he dies if u hit him with it before he bubbled. also her suck cancels certain ults so i dont think they need to "add to the rest of her kit and nerf the broken parts" i think once the seasonal bonus goes away, hawkeye and hela will be solid but not broken. (more hela, hawkey might be pretty weak and only useful as a tank buster or finishing already low targets) also i bet black widow gets a damage boost as the next seasonal buff.
SW is not D tier. Her damage is HP based, like logan. She is ALWAYS able to be doing damage, She has enough right click burst to catch a healer off gaurd and kill them in high stress moments. Her missles together do 300+dmg in under 2 seconds if landed directly. She can kill iron man/divers easily. Shes impossible to dive. She can cancel ultimates. The only bad part of her kit is her headhitbox & ultimate. I use it to deny space, if mantis or luna ult, using this ANYWHERE will scare people backward, make them look to the sky, or just use round corners. She can heal during phase using HP packs, she can play around them very effectively. Shes a jack of all! I have about a 65% winrate with her, and I soloq mained her to diamond. I genuinely think shes B tier. She can apply a lot of pressure and freely overextend - she just can't carry alone. Loved the vid and completely agree otherwise
As a Mantis main - the thing that makes her so good and what seperates the high elo mantis players from the low ones is how you play her. The Low elo players try to play her like a healer. DONT DO THAT. You are a 3rd DPS. Heal your team obviously - but play aggressive and look for picks. Ult into the backline and kill their supoorts. Find a high ground and play like pseudo Hela. I promise you as long as you are paying attention to your leaves and have at least two heals up at all times while using your damage boost on yourself and teammates - you will dominate games. Use your sleep to find flankers and 1v1 them. Sleep damage boost and line up headshots you 3 shot every dps in the game.
strange is more centered around team play, with the portal and his ult. magneto doesnt really need anyone else. wanda team up is nice for damage but not necessary
It's very hard to take this tier list seriously after he ranked Jeff based on the very few high-ranking players, then said the same thing about Loki that he's strong in the right hands, but deliberately ranked him B instead of A because of his "overall" character power. (No, I'm not a Loki player.)
Magik can be crazy in low elo. I'm really not sure what elo I'm in because I've mostly played QP. I'm a Magneto enjoyer, and I watched a Magik single handedly hold the enemy team in Yggsgard spawn while hitting her with bubbles for nearly 2 minutes. They never touched the cart.
No dis but low elo really doesn't matter. You can play just about any character if you're a good player in low elo or QP and win. Higher elo is where you really start to see characters break down
"He can 1shot kill in 2 hits"... I genuinely believe the term 1shot has reached that point where it's been thrown around so nonchalantly that it's lost its meaning. And that's remarkable cause its meaning is pretty damn straightforward.
they should make it so scarlet witch's letf click works more like zaria and less like moira and buff something else, cuz in the dumps where people cant aim nor play of each other she is just a beast, and does irl damage cuz watching the death cam is insane, she is just pressing W and holding right click while aiming an entire hulk hitbox away from you lol the tracking is just too stupid
i feel like you're being too generous. having nearly 33% of the roster in S tier, kind of makes S tier meaningless? its meant to be reserved for the clear cut best character in their role. maybe 2 per role.
Don’t fully agree about black widow ult but imo. Her ult is weak yes but the main purpose of her ult is to slow down enemies where the blast radius is on the ground. Black widow is an incredibly well balanced a sniper can be unlike hawkeye who is ridiculously OP. Still I think she could use some form of more offensive capabilities. Maybe giver a pistol instead of batons or increase her health
Her gun is like a sniper, but her ability is melee. Weird design. Also less abilities than other characters. She needs some more sneaky bullshit. Silent footsteps at least.
Panther feels so good but some things need to change. The number of times I hit my target (sound indicator and watching myself go through them) and I don’t get my reset. I know it’s not my internet and if it’s theirs then fuck me I guess, similarly when on my screen I dash through them then they aim were I was and still hit me, watch the replay and on their screen I never dashed.
Hela should be a short range gun character. Shit her right click right now feels so dissociated with the rest of her kit. Instead of a high mobility high burst short range dps we got overwatch beta mccree.
My three fav characters all being in D tier is such an L. Hopefully they add someone i mesh with thats a bit stronger. Been playing a bit of magik to make up for it
I only played today for the first time, seems to me these tiers will really come into play in very competitive games. The skill level of the average player seems to be VERY LOW right now. I only tried a few characters but I was doing work with Scarlet Witch. I can see how her ultimate can be canceled by enemies but 95% of players aren't smart enough to do it right nowà
Why does nobody mention mantis' awful healing when putting her in S tier? Like sure sleep, damage boost, ult whatever but her healing is so lackluster man.
I don’t think he knows enough about Loki his shift can stop big ultimate altogether Spider-Man useless Iron Man, scarlet witch Groot and then literally turn around, take their own and do it to them
With respect... im tired of these tierlists from perspectives of people who dont play or understand the characters. This is how we had a good game like Overwatch go to shit because we had unnecessary balance changes because people who didnt understand the characters complained rather then learn to play them AND learn to counterplay them. And im not saying just practice them or play them in some low elo matchups. Actually learn HOW to get value, and then work and perfecting it. Once all thats said and done then a actually decent tierlist can be said. But til then all of these tierlists are crazy biased and halfassed and im tired of clicking on them expecting different out of respect for the creator. There are crazy Iron Fist players like you are a Wolverine player. Magik is crazy strong. And i think if you played them, learned their combos, as a Wolverine player, you already have the mentality of how to play them, you would see that these two specifically are very strong, much stronger then Spiderman who has an incredibly high skill ceiling to get any value in GM and higher but you placed him in A.... lol.... Shit, even Squirrel Girl is a lot stronger then stated. Her ult isnt a junkrat all but with her kit you can spam a capture ability like every 3-6 seconds or something crazy and destroy their backline. Her damage isnt anything to sneeze on. Her projectile speed and size is crazy good and she can demolish a Strange shield (everyone's favorite tank to play because people suck at counterplay atm) and leave their team defenseless. And i know it is all based on your opinion, im just saying no understanding how to get value off the characters because you havent played them seen someone show you how its done just make these tierlists feel gross. Like Necros first tierlist that you quickly made him regret posting when you showed Wolverine off. I just really hope that wait a long time to balance patch this game. Nothing is broken except hitscan Hela atm. Everything else is fair, including oneshot HawkEye.
I don't like hulk at all. I feel like you can't make any individual plays with him at all and he's purely used for the team up ability. His jump mechanic is super weird and if you try using him below GM you will just die way too quickly.
Squirrel girl frags in low tier play because people group up behind tanks so much. She should get tracking towards an enemy when her ult bounces though
@@angelsibrian5085 Like the scarlet witch ability, possibly, but that would be pretty strong. Squirrel girl ult survives after she does, and can do a lot of sustained damage if the arena geometry allows it to stay in the fight. tracking would solve the issue of it missing too much.
Its wierd that when I played Wolverine I thought It was Nice, but I believed in the tier lists from beta (edit: beta testers tho kkk) players, and now I trying him again, oh boy, once you get used too his skills range you becomes a Monsters.
@@SmashCentralOfficial I can bet my life that's what he said. scottish dont have the same accent my guy. they dont say "L-IT-ERR-ALLY". Its more like letch-rully. i can understand why you don't hear it if you are american lol. he is clearly saying an "EE" sound which couldnt make sense in "one shot kill" p.s Turn auto captions on and you will see they hear the same thing i did :)
Youre underestimating captain america the way they underestimated wolverine .. i use captain america to keep the enemy healer busy .. i dont play him like a tank .. i play him like a bruiser ...they cant heal or do anything if theyre busy fighting u off .
0:24 Adam Warlock
1:07 Black Panther
1:37 BLack Widow
2:31 Hulk
3:31 Captain America
4:35 Cloak and Dagger
6:26 Dc. Strange
7:03 Groot
7:59 Hawkeye
8:57 Hela
10:34 Iron Fist
11:11 Iron Man
12:01 Jeff The Land Shark
13:05 Loki
15:10 Luna Snow
15:33 Magik
16:52 Magneto
18:03 Mantis
19:55 Moon Knight
20:55 Namor
22:02 Penny Parker
23:48 Psylocke
24:20 Punisher
25:00 Rocket Raccoon
25:33 Scarlet Witch
27:08 The Almost Amazing Spider-man
27:44 Squirrel Girl
28:21 Starlord
28:30 Storm
28:45 Thor
28:57 Venom
29:21 Winter Soldier
30:07 Wolverine
You should add what rank each was given beside their names
@@Ploomior you could click them and support the video you chose?
@@thelastskywalker437 I did watch the video I was saying if they are listing each one for people who don’t want to watch the full thing they could add the tier each character was given by TeamCaptain.
Edit: In this situation the proper spelling is choose not chose.
Cap needs that 1 second cooldown REMOVED from lowering and lifting his shield, along with the deflecting change
without it he can animation cancel his melee attacks and half his time to kill
@@benedri9871 non sense, he should be able to do the same as strange, he doesn't cancel anything
@@Reverend_Mohg He actual does cancel animations with shield block. Such as his shield toss and melee attacks
@@benedri9871Dr strange can do it so...
@@YokaiSteveI've won every single 1v1 against cap as strange without doing the reloading early thing. I'm pretty damn tired but, man, cap needs that cooldown removed
Thank you for this informative tierlist John Wolverine!
I think Magik is high B. Issue with Magik is that her passive incentivizes her to play frontline but she gets shredded so easily because her base HP is too low and she doesn't have any means of mitigating incoming damage. If you want to play flanker you would just play Black Panther or Spider-Man instead, at least they have the super high mobility that makes it easy for them to get in and out. Magik is in this awkward spot where she feels like she wants to be both a flanking assasin and a frontlining DPS and just ends up "decent" at both but never really "strong" in either of them.
exactly like how does luna snow have more hp than her
True and also her demon minion ability is literally useless in most cases, magik’s kit is just badly put together…she struggles alone and is also bad at offense. Honestly I think she should have been a tank or at least have better limbo abilities then just using it for escaping
@@videogames2339you use the demon minion as an area denial. You can use it to block off narrow pathway, when you're escaping, or when you're fighting another melee character
@@videogames2339 her demon is the best way to burst someone not paying attention. It not only forces someone into limited movements (which makes it easier to uppercut , but it’s DPS is pretty good all things considered
In plat good magicks are so fcking annoying if they use portal right, you cant burst them when they have 2 invulnerable dashes lol
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Hella being able to revive a Thor and loki is absolutely nuts.
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Happy that someone else had the idea to make cap shield reflect accurately instead of deflext randomly. If that happens i think hed be really good
It really doesn't need it. Genji deflect feels like ass because your teammates can kill you. It needs huge quality of life buffs but you shouldn't be able to accurately deflect it unless it's an Ironman teamup with laser.
i agree with every single thing on this list. my only gripe is that most tanks ended up in B. i think groot deserves A, a good groot player can carry but i feel he takes more awareness to do so.
Groot vs Ironman matchup is quite hard. Especially if they have lots of high mobility characters/abuse angles. His low mobility is probably what puts him in low B; as the way he is now he's got great health, good sustain, ability to wall off low, okay poke damage, good brawl damage which is quite respectable for a tank. In higher ranks those walls get bursted in no time.
I think the problem with the other tanks Venom/Peni is that they are big ult batteries. If venom leaps in and gets burned by a coordinated team, even if he lives he just fed a whopping amount of ult charge to the team. Peni is great for locking down a point but if they shoot her nest she's a big ult battery as well.
@@TrashTierStellaris As a groot player ironman is definitely one of his worse matchups (also wolverine) Normally if my dps is shit I just lock in and hard carry but with Iron man I have to drop everything Im doing to look up and snipe him. But in general iron man is only really a problem when your dps are mouth breathers. His biggest issue really is his mobility but with how much I can do I feel like its fair
groot definitely deserves A he is the push king
@@KillJared I can see a case for it; wish we had more tanks with a little more in their kit. Groot looks oppressive at times just not in my hands 🥲
@@TrashTierStellaris on convoy when pushing the cart on yggsard groot has literally a spot on every checkpoint where he can block the enemy team from regrouping
It's crazy how much different every tierlist is
Yeah, tierlists at this point of the game are pretty useless for the most part. People bashed hulk for weeks and then suddenly everyone now agrees he's good, these lists are lowkey irrelevant, it's too early.
@@Yiulias To bad fair, it's not even *that* early. People have thousands of games at this point, that should be more than enough for a meta to develop and consensus to form. The fact that it hasn't, speaks to just how balanced the heroes are numbers wise, and how skill reliant the majority of them are. (Except Hela, fuck that character, nerf pls)
Kinda agree, Hulk and Iron Fist did a complete 180 on player opinion at least at top level. Can't wait till we're a year in on the meta
@@Yiulias For weeks? More like Hulk was dog in the beta, then more people tried him and within the first week people were already using him and finding how to make him work and even now Hulk is mainly used for his TeamUp and not because he himself is god tier.
dang finally someone who understands jeffs potential brotha, like jeff is effectively immortal even in some 2v1 situations in GM. I've literally ate both tanks on klyntar moved them away from the team and 2v1'd them while they were left trying to regroup with their team, i felt so bad but it had to be done. The only things i truly struggle with is Ironman when he is left uncheck because if he is flying and i eat his team even at full health if his tracking is remotely good he will beam me down in 5 seconds and if he has team up its actually cooked. Other than that i will unapologetically skill check every flanker to know if i can just ignore you or if i have to deal with you lol
Jeff and Rocket are pretty much unkillable. Tiny hitboxes and insane mobility make it so they're almost impossible to kill.
I genuinely think healing underground has ruined him as a character. It's made him completely unkillable. In the beta he was good, he did a lot of heals, his bubbles did what they did and then they buffed his dive and bubbles extremely and has now lost his skill expression.
Magik only has like 2 combos but yeah you gotta use every ability to "one shot" someone and if you miss your uppercut or they survive because of some extra hp then you can get turned on very fast meanwhile Black panther and Psylocke can do more damage and still get out. She either needs more base hp or some way to refresh her uppercut dash on kill or something and she will 1v9
she needs vertical teleport and invulnerability when you ulti . and yeah her dash should reset per takedown if you do it in like 5 second or something .
Remove the stun lock at the end of her ultimate and maybe give her 25 more hp. No reason black panther had to be a 300hp character and magik at 250
Loki Diamond player here. I think Lokis greatest asset is that he can heal everyone nearly instantly with his healing field. I had so many moments where my tanks were nearly dead but could heal them instantly. Or I can counter most ults with my field. All ults that does not kill instantly for excample somebody like psylocke or just if a Dps attacks our backline. I can if needed use my field to safe my other healer.
But I can see your point healing somebody is really exhausting and can be hard if they are far away or in the sky. His healing shots are not very fast.
Adam does the same by just pressing E. Loki is definitely underrated, but takes too much work to do imo. I do respect a good Loki player though.
My problem with using loki is I feel like I have to be constantly aware of everything going on and preplan a lot with the clones. I’ve had amazing games where I could cheese with double Luna ult or force a lot of flank/diver players like spiderman and psylocke to switch. Unfortunately solo queuing with him is terrible. I’ve been hard countered by moon knight because nobody shoots the ankhs, iron man because my dps teammates for some reason have terrible aim, etc. it’s very annoying to try to use him when your team doesn’t want to actually work with you, especially when they run away from my healing or ignore the clones that I set up with the runes.
Only thing Loki is good for is that field. It's like Bap, without his immortality he is 90% more useless. His heals are inconsistent, reliant on amazing placement or bad enemies and that's all he does.
The fun thing about tier lists is that IMO, any one character can be made to work with skill.
For example, the other night I ran into a Black Widow who killed me (a tank) not by sniping, but by using her ult to stick me in place while my support retreats.
Now, I think she still is awful compared to Hawkeye, but because no one plays him, I was totally caught off guard by someone utilizing that ult well.
He* lol black panther is a guy
@@kurlykrenins Do you *did* help me catch a typo, but now I get to help *you*. I was talking about Hawkeye, not Black Panther, lmao.
I don't understand. She did nothing the entire game, Ult'd you and your 1 alone support and instead of healing you they were running away? Are you like Bronze or QP or something cus any competent player on an average level would understand multiple reasons to how that shouldn't outcome in your death. 1 of which is being scared of an ult that ultimately is a small slow field.
"You're doing so much effort to do a fraction of the work" As a currently D3 Magik OTP this checks out, the dps Doomfist spirit lives on!
without my bias this is maybe the best tier list on youtube I will make my own but this is quite literally the best video for people to watch good information throughout the whole video
Thor , Venom and Groot imo are better than hulk tho
Magik genuinely has nothing going for her over other duelists, long cooldowns with no resets her R-click has no AoE, she’s squishy, slow has no vertical mobility, her melee attacks have damage falloff??? her portals make her invincible for 1 frame but tell enemies exactly where she’s going to come out and her ult is squishy, not immune to CC and self stuns her. 15:42
The problem with BP is that his shift bug means he just ints sometimes and it isn't his fault. That shit just doesn't reset sometimes even though they clearly have a mark and clearly take damage from your dash. It's so unfun to deal with that shit.
Ty Captain, Wolverine is my main now, and im so satisfied in every game! (in every game with a tank :O )
Thank you, you give me a reason to swap off tank and have an excuse to go 3 DPS unironically.
something about your way of speaking and tendencies is so funny and entertaining to me dude
Thank you for putting Namor in S tier. I'm so annoyed when people call Namor and Wolverine D tier characters.
Namor sucks and main reason is because of his pointless water bubble that he uses, it gives aways his position. Black panther is way better than him. The only good thing namor has is the little octo turrets which you can destroy easily before being targetedif you’re a good player.
@@videogames2339 hey if you go into settings you can make namor's bubble be a hold to cast and just tapping it will give you a good second of invuln whilst also being literally instant its cool tech
@@videogames2339 namor is broken lmao, one of the highest damage chars in the game easily. Also counters spidy so hard that hes literally unplayable into ANY namor
@@videogames2339 He counters all dive hero's and he can be healed through his bubble
@@videogames2339Tell me you're bronze without telling me you're bronze:
TeamCaptain for the win. Scottish Supremacy over that Necros guy!
3:54 100% agree as a former genji main, the best feeling ever was reflecting longrange widdow snipes and actually headshotting them better than they can was just unmatched by any other game
Seeing my main get placed below C tier in every tier list 💔
Widow will get her flowers one day 😭🙏🏾
happy to see a guy break out into streaming in a fun way. LOGANG
I actually do think it's hilarious how horribly wrong most of the tier lists from overwatch players were. (That were then used in all the clickbait articles) Cause they are trying to play every character like it's overwatch and judging it based on that. More just hilarious how caught off guard many people were by how strong the supposed worst characters in the game are.,
I think a lot of people didn’t give the game time to simmer and just rushed out their lists to give thoughts and opinions.
@@TeamCaptain001views are more important that a real informative video.
@@ElementlSynd of course they are more important, they make money from views. You'd do the same if you were in there spot
tier lists just give good clicks defo alot of rushed tierlists namor was also a sleeper pick on many lists
Legit played with u today as strange, funny getting you in my recommendations
"I only have 15 minutes to finish this!!!!" (15 minutes later) "Whew, got it done. Wait, it's in another hour?" That is SUCH a mood. It's either that or you think you have an hour and it turns out to be 15 minutes. 😆
"Wolverine Streamer reacts to Rank 1 Scarlet Witch"
ALSO, im glad to see someone point out how insane jeff is, even though it was low elo(we all had to start in bronze), ive seen jeffs play the exact way you described, and there was no way you were killing them. i hope they nerf alot of that on him cuz they clearly over buffed him after his release in beta imo
Please make a tier list of maps for playing as Wolverine, which one will be the best
You look like my little brother and my older brother combined. Good luck and keep on grinding man.
As someone who loves Cap a lot, I think all Cap needs is a bit more damage (I can do without though if I have to), no cooldown on the shield, if I have shield health just let me drop and put it back up as much as I want, and as you suggested the aimed deflection would be awesome. Would really give him a unique but strong harassment ability.
Hey were you a genji one trick back in OW? Think I played with you years ago
I play captain america, and i find some weird things with him.
for example. There's a blue hologram on one map that you can walk and jump through, and cap's shield slam ability gets stopped by it.
hope that just gets fixed with more people talking about it. I've already reported it.
If your ping goes above 100, u need to be pretty much inside enemy hitbox if they're moving away from you, even sprint spamming.
I think it's weird too that you can't aim his shield deflects too. His stun should be on the shield throw, not the shield slam from the air, which has a bunch of awkward problems with it.
his stun knocks people up into the air. With the game stuck at a default of like 65 FOV they go half off the screen, this is shit for melee players.
i saw one captain america player doing the shield slam and then jumping to follow up with the attack, other tanks don't have to do parkour to follow up with their own stuns.
playing captain america it feels like i have to try harder to do the same thing that other characters can do.
I absolutely love it when a new game comes out and when the spotlight is on emerging top players they take advantage of the situation. Something similar to what happened with Dizzy and Apex. It's magical. #LOGANG
The problem with allowing Captain America to aim deflected projectiles is that characters like Hela, Mantis and Punisher would kill themselves before breaking his shield.
Hela’s right click isn’t that bad, I start a fight off with that sometimes and get them low with the basic attack, if they try escaping they’re dead or if I get them low I can just leave them alone and move onto the next target whilst the one is guaranteed to die.
the capt deflect being random is intentional. Else every team will just have 1 capt and prepare to return a big projectile
Namur is actually broken. Backline divers cant even sustain 1v1 against him most of the time
yes wolv is just sss+ rank
20:13 I'm a Rocket main with horrible aim, so I'm usually prioritizing targets that don't move, this means Ankhs, Loki clones, Namor squids, Peni spiders, you name it.
I really hope they take a look into buffing Thor’s ult I think increasing the air movement speed and making it less CC able would make him a strong A tier
I may not have many ppl agree with me on this, but if they removed the % hp dmg from wolverine, and made it so his autos reduce his heal passive cd per hit, he woulda been a incredible tank and would have really helped his power fantasy. keeping him the way he is, i think they need to tighten his hitboxes and make sure his abilities land, cuz i feel like ppl just drop out of his ult with very little reason too often, and his shift that will just NOT grab sometimes. lets be honest though, they need to reduce how MUCH he counters tanks and buff him into just about anyone else.
Bro I love Wolverine in this game an you’re still not changing my mind about everyone else’s tier list 😂
As a BP OTP this makes me happy, current stats for ranked are 25W-4L
3:31 i love playing the Cap. I always think the same thing , imagine you could aim the deflect
Tier list in that game mean nothing, each heroes are good for one role, even if Magneto, Dr. Strange are Tank like Hulk and Venom, their role is not the same. You have literally some heroes who counter some others, like Wolverine who everyone tought he was trash because they didn't know his role.
Then you also have map strategie, heroes synergies ( not only bonus synergie from the game ) etc
There’s actually a pretty decent Venom one trick out there but I can’t remember his name, I just know TimTheTatman did a spectating video on him.
I think there are too many abilities that prevent CC. Jeff diving prevents him from being pulled, if i am not mistaken, Luna ult makes her invulnurable to status effects, Mantis just doesn't care, Namor Bubble also let him move around indefinitelly. All these combined make some abilities\ults a lot lower in terms of power than should be, like Groot's Ult. In any team game an ability to bunch up people should be an S tier, due to combo potential, but because of all the other mechanics overriding it, it's between B and A tier. Not to mention that his ult has animation time and travel time, while Mantis and Luna ults are instant. Strange and Magneto simply block hit ult out of existence, because it's a projectile. They should just make it collide and pull people anyway.
I suppose it all depends on playstyle. You’ve got Iron First C tier but if you watch Frogger playing him he’s an assassin.
I think something to note about groot is that he's a giant hitbox with a ton of health. So he feeds the enemy team a TON of ultimate, and soaks up a lot of healing to stay alive.
Only his iron wall has much durability, and that has a long cooldown.
It grants shields when you do damage though, so I often place it sideways near my team instead of blocking my own team's skill shots and my own shield gain while it's up...
My best kills in a match on magik is 66 kills
I have not even played Marvel Rivals but watching this shit makes me want to go play, bro you are insane.. Such a bad ass video.. Those guys were tilting hard.
The only change i want is loki getting a scroll wheel in ult after pressing q to choose who to copy from
Just make him work like Morrigan from Smite and his ult is instantly the best it can be
nah, the right click on hela is good if u think of it as util. venoms in particular, u hit as many as u can while hes almost low enough to use his armor and then hit a hs (easy as hell if hes in ur face) and the hs and right click do so much burst together that often u'll kill him before he even armors. same for mag, if hes low and tries to bulwark out for heals he dies if u hit him with it before he bubbled. also her suck cancels certain ults so i dont think they need to "add to the rest of her kit and nerf the broken parts" i think once the seasonal bonus goes away, hawkeye and hela will be solid but not broken. (more hela, hawkey might be pretty weak and only useful as a tank buster or finishing already low targets)
also i bet black widow gets a damage boost as the next seasonal buff.
Yeah agreed, the right click on hela is super useful lol.
Crazy how iron man went from D to S on everyone’s tierlist
Rushing the tierlist because of miscalculation is funny af
SW is not D tier. Her damage is HP based, like logan. She is ALWAYS able to be doing damage, She has enough right click burst to catch a healer off gaurd and kill them in high stress moments. Her missles together do 300+dmg in under 2 seconds if landed directly. She can kill iron man/divers easily. Shes impossible to dive. She can cancel ultimates. The only bad part of her kit is her headhitbox & ultimate. I use it to deny space, if mantis or luna ult, using this ANYWHERE will scare people backward, make them look to the sky, or just use round corners. She can heal during phase using HP packs, she can play around them very effectively. Shes a jack of all! I have about a 65% winrate with her, and I soloq mained her to diamond.
I genuinely think shes B tier. She can apply a lot of pressure and freely overextend - she just can't carry alone.
Loved the vid and completely agree otherwise
As a Mantis main - the thing that makes her so good and what seperates the high elo mantis players from the low ones is how you play her. The Low elo players try to play her like a healer. DONT DO THAT. You are a 3rd DPS. Heal your team obviously - but play aggressive and look for picks. Ult into the backline and kill their supoorts. Find a high ground and play like pseudo Hela. I promise you as long as you are paying attention to your leaves and have at least two heals up at all times while using your damage boost on yourself and teammates - you will dominate games. Use your sleep to find flankers and 1v1 them. Sleep damage boost and line up headshots you 3 shot every dps in the game.
can you explain why you said magneto is best for solo carry ,, but why not strange? or does it apply to him as well ?
strange is more centered around team play, with the portal and his ult. magneto doesnt really need anyone else. wanda team up is nice for damage but not necessary
funny how people used to go on about iron first being too op and making Wolverine obsolete and now he is now considered D tier.
It's very hard to take this tier list seriously after he ranked Jeff based on the very few high-ranking players, then said the same thing about Loki that he's strong in the right hands, but deliberately ranked him B instead of A because of his "overall" character power.
(No, I'm not a Loki player.)
Magik can be crazy in low elo. I'm really not sure what elo I'm in because I've mostly played QP. I'm a Magneto enjoyer, and I watched a Magik single handedly hold the enemy team in Yggsgard spawn while hitting her with bubbles for nearly 2 minutes. They never touched the cart.
No dis but low elo really doesn't matter. You can play just about any character if you're a good player in low elo or QP and win. Higher elo is where you really start to see characters break down
sick that the number 1 wolverine is Scottish. salute to you brother!
Cap should deflect only bullets & at %50 dmg. Him deflecting everything back at 100% would be silly good
Putting Jeff above Loki is the biggest crime i have ever seen
now that he's established, its joever
"He can 1shot kill in 2 hits"... I genuinely believe the term 1shot has reached that point where it's been thrown around so nonchalantly that it's lost its meaning.
And that's remarkable cause its meaning is pretty damn straightforward.
He said literally not one shot. It's just the accent
they should make it so scarlet witch's letf click works more like zaria and less like moira and buff something else, cuz in the dumps where people cant aim nor play of each other she is just a beast, and does irl damage cuz watching the death cam is insane, she is just pressing W and holding right click while aiming an entire hulk hitbox away from you lol the tracking is just too stupid
thank you for muting the fnaf follow sound
Most based and accurate tier list of marvel rivals. Maybe ever.
Why is he saying white panther and white widow
i feel like you're being too generous.
having nearly 33% of the roster in S tier, kind of makes S tier meaningless? its meant to be reserved for the clear cut best character in their role. maybe 2 per role.
Don’t fully agree about black widow ult but imo. Her ult is weak yes but the main purpose of her ult is to slow down enemies where the blast radius is on the ground. Black widow is an incredibly well balanced a sniper can be unlike hawkeye who is ridiculously OP. Still I think she could use some form of more offensive capabilities. Maybe giver a pistol instead of batons or increase her health
Her gun is like a sniper, but her ability is melee.
Weird design.
Also less abilities than other characters.
She needs some more sneaky bullshit.
Silent footsteps at least.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 it is weird design but I guess they wanted to be lore accurate.
Panther feels so good but some things need to change. The number of times I hit my target (sound indicator and watching myself go through them) and I don’t get my reset. I know it’s not my internet and if it’s theirs then fuck me I guess, similarly when on my screen I dash through them then they aim were I was and still hit me, watch the replay and on their screen I never dashed.
Hela should be a short range gun character. Shit her right click right now feels so dissociated with the rest of her kit. Instead of a high mobility high burst short range dps we got overwatch beta mccree.
My three fav characters all being in D tier is such an L. Hopefully they add someone i mesh with thats a bit stronger. Been playing a bit of magik to make up for it
good list
I only played today for the first time, seems to me these tiers will really come into play in very competitive games. The skill level of the average player seems to be VERY LOW right now. I only tried a few characters but I was doing work with Scarlet Witch. I can see how her ultimate can be canceled by enemies but 95% of players aren't smart enough to do it right nowà
Bro i want to learn wolverine help me become good with wolverine
Why does nobody mention mantis' awful healing when putting her in S tier? Like sure sleep, damage boost, ult whatever but her healing is so lackluster man.
Its definitely not you can easily clear 30k healing on a normal game
u said mantis is 6 overwatch in 1 but u forgot the ult.. so its 7
Can't lie bro, the ending i feel is going to become part of ur gimmick now bro xDDDD
I don’t think he knows enough about Loki his shift can stop big ultimate altogether Spider-Man useless Iron Man, scarlet witch Groot and then literally turn around, take their own and do it to them
I just want some small buffs with venom
Hope my fav comes soon Cambit is not in there yet.
i dont play this game but strongly support buffing wolverine anyway
With respect... im tired of these tierlists from perspectives of people who dont play or understand the characters. This is how we had a good game like Overwatch go to shit because we had unnecessary balance changes because people who didnt understand the characters complained rather then learn to play them AND learn to counterplay them. And im not saying just practice them or play them in some low elo matchups. Actually learn HOW to get value, and then work and perfecting it. Once all thats said and done then a actually decent tierlist can be said. But til then all of these tierlists are crazy biased and halfassed and im tired of clicking on them expecting different out of respect for the creator. There are crazy Iron Fist players like you are a Wolverine player. Magik is crazy strong. And i think if you played them, learned their combos, as a Wolverine player, you already have the mentality of how to play them, you would see that these two specifically are very strong, much stronger then Spiderman who has an incredibly high skill ceiling to get any value in GM and higher but you placed him in A.... lol.... Shit, even Squirrel Girl is a lot stronger then stated. Her ult isnt a junkrat all but with her kit you can spam a capture ability like every 3-6 seconds or something crazy and destroy their backline. Her damage isnt anything to sneeze on. Her projectile speed and size is crazy good and she can demolish a Strange shield (everyone's favorite tank to play because people suck at counterplay atm) and leave their team defenseless. And i know it is all based on your opinion, im just saying no understanding how to get value off the characters because you havent played them seen someone show you how its done just make these tierlists feel gross. Like Necros first tierlist that you quickly made him regret posting when you showed Wolverine off.
I just really hope that wait a long time to balance patch this game. Nothing is broken except hitscan Hela atm. Everything else is fair, including oneshot HawkEye.
30:07 LET'S GO LOGANG
LOGANGSTERS FTW 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
I don't like hulk at all. I feel like you can't make any individual plays with him at all and he's purely used for the team up ability. His jump mechanic is super weird and if you try using him below GM you will just die way too quickly.
But how can everyone don't understand assasin heroes value? Tunel vision thinking
Squirrel girl frags in low tier play because people group up behind tanks so much. She should get tracking towards an enemy when her ult bounces though
A slight stun from her ult would make it so much better
@@angelsibrian5085 Like the scarlet witch ability, possibly, but that would be pretty strong. Squirrel girl ult survives after she does, and can do a lot of sustained damage if the arena geometry allows it to stay in the fight. tracking would solve the issue of it missing too much.
Its wierd that when I played Wolverine I thought It was Nice, but I believed in the tier lists from beta (edit: beta testers tho kkk) players, and now I trying him again, oh boy, once you get used too his skills range you becomes a Monsters.
Weird in pubs everyone shoots the anhks
Did this guy win this tournament he was talking about?
Also don't shoot the ankhs, they uh, heal you yes :)
the goat
8:13 "he can one shot kill Dr Strange and Magneto in two hits" LOL
He said "He can literally kill" not "he can one shot kill" the scottish accent just makes it sound weird.
I'm not hearing literally haha
@@SmashCentralOfficial I can bet my life that's what he said. scottish dont have the same accent my guy. they dont say "L-IT-ERR-ALLY". Its more like letch-rully. i can understand why you don't hear it if you are american lol. he is clearly saying an "EE" sound which couldnt make sense in "one shot kill"
p.s Turn auto captions on and you will see they hear the same thing i did :)
He's saying literally bruh.
Youre underestimating captain america the way they underestimated wolverine .. i use captain america to keep the enemy healer busy .. i dont play him like a tank .. i play him like a bruiser ...they cant heal or do anything if theyre busy fighting u off .
Ehhh iron man placement feels just a tiny bit contrarian-ish but I see where you were trying to go with it.
I mean 220dps laser beam when most characters have 250hp...
I love all these high level players have completely different tier lists. Most high levels have iron man at the very bottom.
I didn’t know drake bell played Marvel rivals heck ya!